Longliveisrael, thanks for proving my point. you anti-semite. Your ancestors were vigorous opponents of tyranny, who spilled their blood on the battlefields of Jarama and Kursk to defend the principles of humanism that were not only part of their heritage, but an endowment to which they had contributed to all mankind. That you gleefully spit on their memory, and the heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto, should come as no surprise. Your idea of the "new Jew," with whom you pathetically identify, is that of the tyrant, the torturer, the ethnic cleanser, and the murderer. Plus, he's very buff and tanned, of course. Yum!
We should thank "longliveisrael" for a such a succinct illustration of why zionism is such an anti-semitic ideology, feeding off of Jewish self-hatred. Clearly, by his lights, the "old Jew" was one who "took crap," and was insufficiently enamored of The State and the militarism associated therewith. He was a puny, effeminate intellectual, not to be trusted by the real nation-builders, right loveliveisrael? What did the "old Jew" ever produce of value - besides, of course, monuments of world literature through the medium of the Yiddish language that the zionists helped to kill, earth-changing theories such as those of Marx and Freud, and antifascist fighters from Madrid to Stalingrad. Not to mention the Marx Brothers. Whereas the "New Jew," the macho, muscled, bronzed übermentsch has brought us - Zohan! It's kind of sad, actually.
A Sheafóide: I agree it's almost always a turd, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Maybe you should be proud to be the exception that makes the rule!
Annie, I have made similar points to Seafóid in the past. I'm afraid we are wasting our breath; his mind appears to be made up that Jews are enemy. This kind of rhetoric gives anti-zionists a bad name, and we know what that fucking name is.
I don't think it's being coy to point out that "the Jews" is an obnoxiously inaccurate characterization of the zionist enemy - I was merely being scrupulous - zionism being, sadly, merely one particularly pernicious variety of racism among many. After all, there are far more Christian zionists than Jewish ones, and the integration of the US and Israeli military-industrial complexes has little to do with blood kinship. I suspect Phil and Mooser, for instance, would be surprised to learn that they are on the wrong side of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by dint of their heritage. Reducing the struggle to religio-ethnic terms is a trick of the zionists.
As far as the poor old PA is concerned, it is precisely my empathy for the Palestinian people and the nobility of their struggle in the face of devastating odds that prompts me to bemoan the quisling leadership that has been imposed upon them, and continues to be propped up, by their very enemies - the Israeli and American governments (notice I didn't say "Jews and Americans.")
I am, however, thoroughly abashed about having mixed up my Abus. Palestine abú!
A Sheafóide, I wish I were as sanguine as you about the integrity of Abu Ammar. Surely his tacit approval of Operation Cast Lead should give one pause, to say the least: as should his total reliance on U.S. and Israeli support for his kleptocratic hold on power; the joint security arrangements the PA observes with the Israelis - i.e., administering the Occupation for them; the near-universal contempt with which he is held by the people of the West Bank, whom he rules by oppression and torture; and his cringing and craven performance this week, wherein he seems determined to avoid embarrassing his American and Israeli sponsors, possibly by agreeing to have the vote stayed in the SC. Perhaps "Judenrat" would have been a more historically apt metaphor for the PA. Incidentally, I'd suggest you avoid characterizing the struggle as one between Palestinians and Jews, lest you give people what is, I hope, the wrong impression.
I think people should take heart. In the longer term, yesterday's nauseating display will prove to be a turning point in the struggle, and a very pyrrhic victory indeed for the zionists. All but the hopelessly deluded and the pathologically mendacious now realize that when the Israelis call for "negotiations," it's time to say goodbye to your olive trees at best, and hit the bomb shelters at worst. They have put the final nail in the coffin of the two-state solution, and this is something that should be applauded; it should add immense impetus internationally to BDS and to the anti-apartheid struggle. Let's hope it's also a nail in the coffin of the traitorous kapos of the PA, whose witless fumblings made this all possible.
This reminds me of Uri Avneri's joke about the man on trial for having murdered his parents. The judge asks the accused: "How do you respond to these charges?" The defendant replies: "You're honour, I don't deal in the past - I only think about the present!"
Dimdock, it gets really boring reminding you guys that it's Palestinian civil society who are calling for the boycott, and that arguments just as fatuous as yours were used ad nauseam during the era of the South African variety of apartheid. But what is even more irksome is your appalling English. When your going learn good talk with us, we can understand you? So far, your sound like zionist without good polish, yes?
Since the Norwegians didn't steal Norway from anyone else, I suspect they've never felt the need to turn it into an armed camp. eee's concern for the loss of innocent life is, however, touching.
Cretin that he is, eee doesn't seem to realize that the simple of act of flying to Israel with the stated intention of visiting the Occupied Territories was regarded as "disruptive" by the Middle East's "Only Democracy." I suspect that I could fly to JFK tomorrow and state any ultimate destination I liked without getting tossed in the jug.
This is probably the first time I've seen Canada used as an example of the unworkability of multinational states: the last time I checked, we were constantly being held up as a model therefor. In any event, it is ludicrous (and, it goes without saying, racist) to imply that post-colonial ethnic conflict is not both a hangover of colonialism, and the result of ongoing imperialist machinations. The zionist position, harking back to its racist 19th-century origins, boils down to the irreconcilability and innate hostility of different peoples towards one another - the implied argument being: "ein Reich, ein Volk!" Such people seem pathetically unaware of the 19th-century ideological time-bubble they inhabit. Only such delusional thinking could lead anyone to believe that Israel is a state like any other - rather than the last of the colonial settler enterprises.
Mooser, I was curious, and had a read through Jaynot's past comments. I got the distinct impression that, to put it delicately, ahem, he is not a "mainstream" anti-zionist, if you know what I mean, nudge, nudge.
Something really smells about this anonymous letter - a definite whiff of false-flag propaganda. The fact that the Libyan rebels have already indicated their preparedness to recognize Israel should already have set off alarm bells among the less credulous. Rather than on Cynthia McKinney's part, I suspect the naïveté has all on been on the part of the bloggers at Yansoon, and anyone else who takes this letter at face value.
The Haaretz articles goes on to say: "Reut lists the network's major hubs - London, Brussels, Madrid, Toronto, San Francisco and the University of California, Berkeley." As a Torontonian, I'm as pleased as punch! Take that, Vancouver - this is way better than getting the Olympics.
Witty seems to think that the word "resistance" is exclusionary - excluding as it does apologists for and supporters of the occupation. As well it should.
Longliveisrael, thanks for proving my point. you anti-semite. Your ancestors were vigorous opponents of tyranny, who spilled their blood on the battlefields of Jarama and Kursk to defend the principles of humanism that were not only part of their heritage, but an endowment to which they had contributed to all mankind. That you gleefully spit on their memory, and the heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto, should come as no surprise. Your idea of the "new Jew," with whom you pathetically identify, is that of the tyrant, the torturer, the ethnic cleanser, and the murderer. Plus, he's very buff and tanned, of course. Yum!
We should thank "longliveisrael" for a such a succinct illustration of why zionism is such an anti-semitic ideology, feeding off of Jewish self-hatred. Clearly, by his lights, the "old Jew" was one who "took crap," and was insufficiently enamored of The State and the militarism associated therewith. He was a puny, effeminate intellectual, not to be trusted by the real nation-builders, right loveliveisrael? What did the "old Jew" ever produce of value - besides, of course, monuments of world literature through the medium of the Yiddish language that the zionists helped to kill, earth-changing theories such as those of Marx and Freud, and antifascist fighters from Madrid to Stalingrad. Not to mention the Marx Brothers. Whereas the "New Jew," the macho, muscled, bronzed übermentsch has brought us - Zohan! It's kind of sad, actually.
A Sheafóide: I agree it's almost always a turd, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Maybe you should be proud to be the exception that makes the rule!
Annie, I have made similar points to Seafóid in the past. I'm afraid we are wasting our breath; his mind appears to be made up that Jews are enemy. This kind of rhetoric gives anti-zionists a bad name, and we know what that fucking name is.
I don't think it's being coy to point out that "the Jews" is an obnoxiously inaccurate characterization of the zionist enemy - I was merely being scrupulous - zionism being, sadly, merely one particularly pernicious variety of racism among many. After all, there are far more Christian zionists than Jewish ones, and the integration of the US and Israeli military-industrial complexes has little to do with blood kinship. I suspect Phil and Mooser, for instance, would be surprised to learn that they are on the wrong side of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by dint of their heritage. Reducing the struggle to religio-ethnic terms is a trick of the zionists.
As far as the poor old PA is concerned, it is precisely my empathy for the Palestinian people and the nobility of their struggle in the face of devastating odds that prompts me to bemoan the quisling leadership that has been imposed upon them, and continues to be propped up, by their very enemies - the Israeli and American governments (notice I didn't say "Jews and Americans.")
I am, however, thoroughly abashed about having mixed up my Abus. Palestine abú!
A Sheafóide, I wish I were as sanguine as you about the integrity of Abu Ammar. Surely his tacit approval of Operation Cast Lead should give one pause, to say the least: as should his total reliance on U.S. and Israeli support for his kleptocratic hold on power; the joint security arrangements the PA observes with the Israelis - i.e., administering the Occupation for them; the near-universal contempt with which he is held by the people of the West Bank, whom he rules by oppression and torture; and his cringing and craven performance this week, wherein he seems determined to avoid embarrassing his American and Israeli sponsors, possibly by agreeing to have the vote stayed in the SC. Perhaps "Judenrat" would have been a more historically apt metaphor for the PA. Incidentally, I'd suggest you avoid characterizing the struggle as one between Palestinians and Jews, lest you give people what is, I hope, the wrong impression.
I think people should take heart. In the longer term, yesterday's nauseating display will prove to be a turning point in the struggle, and a very pyrrhic victory indeed for the zionists. All but the hopelessly deluded and the pathologically mendacious now realize that when the Israelis call for "negotiations," it's time to say goodbye to your olive trees at best, and hit the bomb shelters at worst. They have put the final nail in the coffin of the two-state solution, and this is something that should be applauded; it should add immense impetus internationally to BDS and to the anti-apartheid struggle. Let's hope it's also a nail in the coffin of the traitorous kapos of the PA, whose witless fumblings made this all possible.
RW: "The PRESENT is what is important."
This reminds me of Uri Avneri's joke about the man on trial for having murdered his parents. The judge asks the accused: "How do you respond to these charges?" The defendant replies: "You're honour, I don't deal in the past - I only think about the present!"
I covered the issue before I got to your illiteracy. Five, including Yiddish. Never had any interest in conlangs.
Dimdock, it gets really boring reminding you guys that it's Palestinian civil society who are calling for the boycott, and that arguments just as fatuous as yours were used ad nauseam during the era of the South African variety of apartheid. But what is even more irksome is your appalling English. When your going learn good talk with us, we can understand you? So far, your sound like zionist without good polish, yes?
Since the Norwegians didn't steal Norway from anyone else, I suspect they've never felt the need to turn it into an armed camp. eee's concern for the loss of innocent life is, however, touching.
Cretin that he is, eee doesn't seem to realize that the simple of act of flying to Israel with the stated intention of visiting the Occupied Territories was regarded as "disruptive" by the Middle East's "Only Democracy." I suspect that I could fly to JFK tomorrow and state any ultimate destination I liked without getting tossed in the jug.
Alterman's sleaziness was amusingly critiqued by Alexander Cockburn way back in 2002: link to counterpunch.org
This is probably the first time I've seen Canada used as an example of the unworkability of multinational states: the last time I checked, we were constantly being held up as a model therefor. In any event, it is ludicrous (and, it goes without saying, racist) to imply that post-colonial ethnic conflict is not both a hangover of colonialism, and the result of ongoing imperialist machinations. The zionist position, harking back to its racist 19th-century origins, boils down to the irreconcilability and innate hostility of different peoples towards one another - the implied argument being: "ein Reich, ein Volk!" Such people seem pathetically unaware of the 19th-century ideological time-bubble they inhabit. Only such delusional thinking could lead anyone to believe that Israel is a state like any other - rather than the last of the colonial settler enterprises.
Mooser, I was curious, and had a read through Jaynot's past comments. I got the distinct impression that, to put it delicately, ahem, he is not a "mainstream" anti-zionist, if you know what I mean, nudge, nudge.
Something really smells about this anonymous letter - a definite whiff of false-flag propaganda. The fact that the Libyan rebels have already indicated their preparedness to recognize Israel should already have set off alarm bells among the less credulous. Rather than on Cynthia McKinney's part, I suspect the naïveté has all on been on the part of the bloggers at Yansoon, and anyone else who takes this letter at face value.
Poor Julian! Clearly six million wasn't enough for them!
The Haaretz articles goes on to say: "Reut lists the network's major hubs - London, Brussels, Madrid, Toronto, San Francisco and the University of California, Berkeley." As a Torontonian, I'm as pleased as punch! Take that, Vancouver - this is way better than getting the Olympics.
Witty seems to think that the word "resistance" is exclusionary - excluding as it does apologists for and supporters of the occupation. As well it should.