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i try and see all invlolved POV. Have no tolerance for people/groups that say one thing in one language or tsxt and then say the complete opposite in another language or text. I expect ALL parties to say what they mean and mean what they say.

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  • Is Yiddish the language of the Jewish soul?
  • Writers and artists declare solidarity with persecuted Palestinian poet Dareen Tatour
    • Ironic that the discussion on hate speech laws never brings up the fact it was always conservatives, here and in the US that opposed hate speech inclusions for the exact reason stated above by the round table members.... That it would eventually be manipulated to include things it was never intended to include. But this is a prime example of the dangers of far left politics in action. Punish to correct. It always works fine in theory.
      And of course there are far right laws that have been abused as well but that's not the topic here.

      The guilty hand wringing and confused so-called Israeli woman helped along by the audience was a chaplinesque depiction of indoctrination by ostracism

  • Netanyahu, say hi from me to the penguins in Antarctica
    • Not one of his best but certainly a great speech. The people to whom it was aimed got the message loud and clear. Obviously, bds supporters would try to make a mockery of any Netanyahu speech but this one hit is mark anyway.

  • New York TV stations smear Roger Waters-- who praises BDS as 'one of most admirable pieces of resistance world has seen'
    • @mr

      The far left is notorious for having skin as thin as tissue paper. jvp or bds, sip, etc could have been their screaming their heads off and MW would have been pleased with ANY coverage that would have mustered. just look at those photos of violent extreme jdl members. why weren't they arrested? one of the typical ridiculous commenters here actually asked.

      Roger waters does not lack for publicity and I am fairly certain he is either backed by and possibly compensated by the billion dollar palestinian pr movement though I'm sure it's as secretive and clandestine as any aipac venture could be.

  • Israeli rightist Smotrich lays out the vision for apartheid
    • There are prominent South Africans who, after visiting Israel, find the comparison not only untrue but insulting to their own struggle to break the bonds of apartheid

    • @tb

      Non Jews can vote in Israel. claiming otherwise is simply a lie or, in your case, more likely a twisted lying pretzel of logic you honed to spout Palestinian. hasbara to explain your position. I do get it tbck

    • There may be some instances of but there is no "de facto" segregation in Israel maternity wards. there may very well be pregnant mothers, both arab or Jews who have hostility towards each other and possibly vocalize this but there would be no different response from the staff wether the hostile complainer was a jew or an arab. in fact, there are Israel hospitals where arab israelis are chief of staff, or directors, nurses and obstetricians. They might as well just have home births if that's the attitude. No(or very very few hospitals) would put up with that crap. They are far too busy and cranky from under pay. And, is there any evidence that intolerant pregnant jews refuse to be treated at hospitals where Israeli Arab doctors are in charge,?

      What hotovely said is no different then a 100 other politicians might say in any given speech. would any American official giving a speech not say that the usa is "ours" and that there would be no apologies for the millions of acres taken, appropriated or won in wars. so hotolevy and shaked are as 'fascist' as the next state, not exceptional in any way, just hard core nationalists. It's mondoweissers fantasy that they are dangerous facists.

      There are some good points I agree with the author" but I'm not paid to agree. I won't get paid my weekly shekles otherwise and might even get docked so....

      . the Golan? While originally part of the Jewish partition it was given to Syria. And why is it Israel took and annexed the Golan? because of some nefarious plan existing before 48? It's so patently absurd to not acknowledge the dire strategic advantage that Syria was exploiting from the heights weekly. Had the heights been quiet they would have been met with quiet. And THAT, as the author well knows has been the consistent and pragmatic policy of Israel since at least 67 and probably 48. annexing Golan it was a complete necessity (even if it was also an economic boon) and no other military scholars have seriously claimed otherwise. As in: any nation able to defend itself would have done the exact same as Israel in the Golan. The proof is in the fifty years of relative quiet. ( Oh, daddy Assad murdered between 10-20,000 palestinians but nobody really cares about that)

      As far as Israel "wanting" Jerusalem? . I wouldn't expect the author to even mention that the armistice line gave Jordan sovereignty over the old city. The hashemite king occupied ever inch of East Jerusalem and kicked the Jews living there since b.c.e. And then obnoxiously renaming (in a brilliant and to this day effective propaganda win) this old Jewish quarter "Arab East" Jerusalem. He also kicked out thousands of Palestinian Christians also there for centuries. He destroyed dozens of synagogues and churches and forbade the Jews and Christians entrance to pray at what temples were left. It's an old story. Why the hell wouldn't Israel want to gain control of the old Jewish quarter, the western wall, the churches and synagogues which they promptly opened to all(or most) to pray freely. Muslim, Christian and Jew(unless of course author is so brainwashed as to not believe the on site reporters from around the world reporting on these events first hand. Unless author, along with the hard core fringe left thinks it was all a big covert 'plan' and nobody but the super intelligent mondowrissers figured out.

      Oy gevalt. But yes, in the end smotrichs 'plan' may make some pragmatic sense to th he hard right nuts but any of us with a brain know the Palestinian people better then any body else in the world(including the bleeding heart mondoweissers). I would predict that the vast majority of Palestinians would pick his 'option3' which translates to "we haven't given up for 50 years what makes you think we would give up now? What makes you think the threat of increased enforcement would scare us into option 1 or 2?

      . In other words, it's a ridiculous plan even if the author spouts off his equally ridiculous slanders he's right to point this out as absurd.

    • One can dicker around all day when it comes to jews defining themselves as a nation.

      Is there a nation of Lakota? Yes

      Is there a nation of Americans? Yes (while this is still an ambiguous statement)

      Is there a nation of Hawaiians? Depends who you ask. Hawaiians will say yes

      Is there an arab nation? The term is used all the time. Yes there is but is there also

      An Egyptian nation?

      A Jordanian nation?

      A hashemite nation, or is it tribe?

      KSA-. tribes or nation?

      Lebanon, tribes and factions

      Syria, at one time and for eons before Assad.

      Are Iranians nationals or Persian?


      what's china? Not even sure.

      are North Koreans a separate nation from South Koreans? their passports say they are.

      Jews- a nation, a people, a religion, a race(according to many of israeli jews enemies) or as one persistent member here states over and over: a choice.

      It's not a black and white question wether any particular group is a nation. the argument about jews predates modern Israel by millennia.

    • @ja

      correct. Netanyahu could have been voted out numerous times over the past decade as were countless other pm's and knesset members. if anybody cites Lebanon as an example of democratic vote I will have to drop dread from laughter. Lebanon is a factional/tribal nation that is controlled by hezbollag who used to take direction from assad and the tyrant ayatollah but may now have amassed enough power to give direction to the Lebanese, Syrians and the IRG, and it's mullahs.
      . you may not like the nation, maybe you don't like our laws or maybe you just don't like us period. it does not negate that we absolutely are the nation here that has suffrage for ALL Israeli citizens, jews, arabs Christians, druze, Bedouin, Muslim, ba'hai and completely blind to any notion of skin colour. one would have to walk a great distance top get to the next Democratic state. I don't even think turkey counts any longer considering erdogans actions.

    • Yf
      It's hard to believe you (let alone anyone except the far fringe hysterical attention craving left) take rogel alphel seriously. Not only has he been consistently hysterical but he's been wrong so much that only chemi s. @hrttz makes h him sound a little like a journalist.

      . I understand why harettz is the almost solitary Israeli news outlet referenced here for confirmation of Israeli evil but it doesn't seem to bother anybody here. it's similar to another singularly quoted source on hatred in the USA. (I'm not inferring that this fat has anything to do with mw. only that mw ascribes to the singular source Louie every body else in the US and EU msm) how has the SPLC become the only source the msm quotes when referencing statistics" hatred and hate groups in the US? It's no secret their politics are far to the left but so be it. it's splc and hrttz all the way.

      exactly how should Israel have sued for peace in light of khartoum and the general state of hostile belligerency on every one of Israel's borders? shoulda, woulda, coulda.

  • 'Nazi stuff': The Israeli government takes on African refugees
    • @r

      I might have said chutzpah but didn't want to give moosr a heart attack

    • @ej

      I lost count of the number of times you use "jewish supremacism " and'jewish is a choice' like a lifestyle choice I imagine since so many jews are secular, buddist, atheist etc.

      China, which is no longer considered a pariah nation by you mondoweissers does not consider the rights of the individual compared to the state but I know, nobody or no thing can compare to the evil of zionism except for german nazis. 2 peas in a pod. nobody is going to convince you otherwise. and china didn't steal land either. well, maybe just little tiny tibet but whos counting tibet when zionism is on the rampage? all of us are so so hateful. so immoral. it's killing us to hear us described such.ouch.

      Individual rights get in the way of a lot of things and your fooling yourself if you think your living in a state where your individual rights are not compromised for the state in some ways. you are just twisted up in knots obsessing over israel

    • The portion of 5% tel aviv arabs living in south are just as disgusted with municipal services and want "their" city "back" as well from illegal economic immigrants.

      ofir can make as much hay as he likes about shakids statement but there is no implicit directive to treat individual rights the same way they are treated in declining european nations or even the United States (which, btw, the far left progressive would very much like to limit individual rights as they see fit. so it's takes a lot of gaul to hear such hysterics from the progressive fringe

  • Gideon Levy calls out Israel's fundamental, racist religion: Zionism
    • It's hard to compare how levy is taken by the vast majority of Israelis from right to center left. Or to compare a figure in the US that is similar.

      Levy is about as popular as Glenn Greenwald, Noah Chomsky, Juan Cole... in other words, few Americans are aware of their work. And on top of that Levy is particularly hated by lot of Israelis that are not on the far left and just center left, center right and right.

      And Haaretz .... The ONLY Israeli newspaper MW ever quotes from is hardly a mass media production or mms. (Except that the msm it's usually far left) it's got a very small and dying base in Israel and the English version is popular with fringe leftists who are obsessed over the Israel Palestinian conflict. [It's not like one day the public is going to slap their farheads and go, "dang! That Gideon guy is a genius. A hero! He's the greatest.] not happening. We tolerate him of course. He is hated baby many but won't be prevented from writing or saying what he wants. Israel has always had its cranks just as the US has its own. Alex Jones. Sarsour,. Bannon, BLM etc

      But he definitely riles up the mw base. that is a given.

  • One little sentence, so many lies
    • @j

      Fat chance of that happening before the next ice age comes.

      Wether you are a staunch tzyionist or supporter of fatah, plo, pa, hamas you can't much argue with this

  • Shooting and crying, in 'The New Yorker'
    • Just like Homeland, In Treatment, Hostages and other Israeli tv shows Fauda will probably be made into an American version that is popular with millions of Americans. Talk about shooting off mouths and crying about it.

      Oh, and that bds thing...Wonder Woman just hit something like forth or fifth biggest grossing film with that'filthy zio-nazi' starring. Cry cry cry

  • 'Auto-anti-Semitism!' Naftali Bennett declares war on Jewish self-hatred in Israel
    • @ms

      "Shinto.....". Have no problem with this (benign) association

    • I've heard comments from BLM that people of colour (whatever that means) cannot possibly be racist. And the comments I named are probably the mildest of what comes from the mouths of the fringe left. Just because the fringe right spouts their own made up rhetoric doesn't excuse the indoctrinated here.

    • 'whataboutism': asinine rhetorical technique

      'micro-agression' euphemism for.' I am a pussy'

      'verbal violence' oxymoronic

      'zionism= racism' (to which the left explains, " oh, not that kind of racism"

      Just a few worth mentioning. And I said the far right does much off the same

    • The far left makes up terms just as absurd as anything on the right. Two peas in a pod.

  • The United State of Israel and Palestine
    • @kof

      You are living in a bubble created by the far left in EU that is crumbling more every day. You are too blinded by you one sided thinking to see what is going on in the world as a whole.
      Does Israel face a lot of public hostility in the Nordic nations? Of course it does and it isn't as if we are not aware. this is the exact reason we have been expanding our ties with nations that are not hard wired to the Muslim/christian concept of jews and a Jewish Nation.
      But,i will admit, the issue you raise is definitely part of what will determine how long this unsolved conflict will last. when Islam becomes your state religion we can address what you think the coming'young' generation will do about their stake in this conflict.

    • @z

      I assure you that while you hold to your conviction that nothing will end until palestinians say it is ended the same holds true for my people. when it's over, we will know and until that time we continue to build.

      this is one of the reasons the author is having such a difficult time grasping why his imagined 'fair's solution is a fantasy in his mind. the concept of "fair" when discussing this conflict is at polar opposites. never have the sides been so far apart.

    • @tb

      what a bunch of horsesht. there are still palestinian arabs that have close relationship with israeli jews and vice versa. but suggesting that was the norm is completely absurd. only privileged jews I the US and UK engaged I lively arguments about wether zionism was bad or good for diaspora jews. the vast majority of worlds jews have always supported a return to the homeland ahs therefore loved (ahs still do)the zionist cause.

      zionists simply built a structure through which otherwise, the ultra orthodox would never have been able to organize because, as we know today, the ultra orthodox can't stand the rest of the jews that don't practise in the orthodox(which of course, they say, is the only true way to be a jew) we love them and tolerate them because they will always be our people too.

      And why would Israel agree to anything so self mutilating as what the author proposed without anything of value in return is the exact right angle to be approaching peace negotiations. It may well occur, in the near or most likely very far distant future that Israel will not be able to negotiate from a position of victory or power but until that time starts to come near, again, why would Israel consent to any of the terms when there is no guarantee that after this truce that Hamas, or any other radical and or martyr based entity will take control of the Judean hills.
      It's just not going to happen except in the fantasies and dreams of the righteous zionist haters here. keep dreaming while we keep on keeping on. you keep on hating us? we know. we're always knew.

    • "Hello David. The UK is falling apart and the NCP......"


      "The only way forward,imho...." is never going to work which means your dreaming, hoping, crossing your fingers, analyzing the facts you find important, putting pieces together the way they make sense to you (and the many others who agree with you). you may see zionists as monsters which is your right to free thought but you probably know inside that zionists think the exact same scenario except it applies to them. it will solve itself when the time and people are willing to back up what they preach, one way or the other.

      the only people I know who understand the cynicism that we have are are our palestinian neighbors

    • @dgf

      you truly don't understand what ridiculous things you write that make absolutely no sense. these are most definitely two sides of an epic struggle and whenever two sides refuse to back down from their maximalist demands being met , just to start negotiating not even the end, mind you, but just the beginning of the end of the epic struggle (where neither side will back down from maximal demands) and no force, especially the discredited and useless UN, can force either side to give up core principles.)

      US can'lean on' either side if it chooses but won't force the issue for assorted reasons. that both sides think us pressure is key just emphasizes the point.
      . This, wether you like it or not is one of those things that will just have to work it's way out when the time is right, or up, and somebody has to jump. that's really it in a nutshell. as they say,'everything else is just commentary'.

      Being a dreamer is not always a bad thing but there is dreaming and dreaming. one of them you are overloaded on.

      * When the in-house star comedian here starts to get on your definitely pie-in-the-sky case you better believe there is something desperately wrong with your reasoning.

  • On boycotts, Palestine, and resistance: a review of 'Assuming Boycott'
    • Take the'neo-nazi' out of the equation of you like. They have been around for decades with only small ebbs and flows to their numbers which have never been large.
      . Just take the polarization of conservative far right and so called progressive far left. It's an easy argument to make that both are equally as regressive as the other. but true, you have the 'right' to claim your view is superior but only your own supporters will agree.

    • @mS

      "Stream of con.....mutters."

      Your pretty close so I won't nit pick

      @ an

      The sentence on Orwell is so atrocious I can't even remember what it said specifically.* The main point was obvious: the left is engaging in activities that Orwell predicted and associated with his dystopian 1984. the left wouldn't be the first group to be accused of orwellianism but they fit the bill now. The secession of the southern states was not righteous. I have never been convinced that Lincoln fought the war to end slavery. He stated many times that he would have allowed slavery to exist in the south of they rejoined the union. His grand plan for the Africans torn from Africa was to buy enough land in Africa and central America to 'repatriate' all African Americans. So when the Lincoln statues are pulled down, the Columbus, Washington Jefferson and other monuments are torn down the left should turn its attention to renaming NYC, named for one of the ceo of the world's largest slave trading company, (the duke of York)
      * If I had to pay attention to every change the Swype keyboard.'corrected' on its own it would not be worth the effort. not serious enough.

    • @ an

      I use an iPad. it has a spell check correction program from hell. I bet that other Apple users have the same problem and know how combative our is.

      So what does the ability for far left radical to claim Orwell applies to the polar political opponents?

      I'm sure if you google Orwell and tearing down monuments you'll get there. I don't carry passages I remember around in links.

      I don't know harjo very= and don't care what she did either way. sorry I brought out up. there are also plenty of celebrities that don't have to worry about losing backing, income, or fans that play Israel regularly.

    • @ an

      As for this harjo...i don't know that much about her so if you tell me her acceptance was a mistake on her part I'll. accept it on face value. why is she drawing out viscous commentaries and attacks here? I do know that in general, most famous or just well known celebs artists or academics who choose to ignore bds do so with thought out reasoning. If harjo didn't, so be it.

    • @ an

      Yes. And yes. The first sentence you pointed out was rushed and not well constructed. But I'm certain that a woman with a mind as sharp as yours knew what I meant. They can think anything they like and of course that's their right. My opinion is they have no grounds to claim any moral superiority(at least the ones that do assuming that there must be some radical far left progressives don't feel superior to anybody. Even I have met a few)

      Oh my, your are definitely like the Bolsheviks in the way I described. Also in the way George Orwell described more precisely then I almost 100 yrs ago. If I can remember where I have the paragraph I would quote it bff because if a few key words were substituted for the past few weeks of statuegate -including blasio

    • so, bds peoples have a right to bds harjo. No problem. what they have no right to do is claim to hold any opinion or view more moral then harjo or anybody else who opposes boycotting Israel on well thought out grounds. It's simply your own mental prerogative and distaste for her opinion. do any of you think the neo nazis that marched in the USA don't believe their cause is justified and moral from their own pov. you can argue they are ignorant, racist evil and more but they can argue equally derogatory insults about the far left (which they erroneously believe is synonymous with jew.) they are equally as confused as the far left by both hating jews while some also claim they admire zionism and believe their goals are similar. They far left believes that zionist equates to evil and has nothing to do with true judaism. equally preposterous. And as bad as the Nazi right is, the left's new little game comes right off the pages of the Soviet and their attempts to eradicate any trace of the czars. Orwell even rights a paragraph on how the language is changed, the monuments pulled down and every trace of history is erased except that the state is the only power that ever existed. The left has a habit of taking righteous causes and. shredding them into bloody and twisted, sterile, politically and culturally intolerant tampons
      It just proves that radical elements of both right and left are polarizing so much that they are closer to forming a circle with themselves wether the rational center becomes the glue that holds things together....or not.

  • 'We came to school and found the school destroyed': Israeli forces demolish West Bank school hours before children's first day
    • @v

      According to @ej and others here jewish is a choice. what do you have to feel ashamed of. Israel is not your fault

    • @mg

      Jewish and a ####? why not,? Are we special?

    • It may make you feel better to fantasize about Israel's impending doom. zionists have to constantly remind the haters that we've been hearing this for much longer then 75yrs. much longer. it doesn't phase most of us and hasn't for years. but it's useful to remind people how badly anti zionist pray for our demise. maybe Israel needs an advocacy organization.

    • just based on the hypocrisy of the eu towards Israel is reason enough for the illegal(that's right. illegal as any settlement the left calls illegal ) school to be torn. palestinians should be receiving billions for education from their government but everybody (really. who in the world doesn't know) knows abbas steals most to be divided up among family and cronies and his private security. does anybody also believe the PA wants their citizens to be educated? if they were Abbas would be dead or deep in Russia or KSA.
      as if anybody needed proof, Israeli Arabs can access and receive the best primary educations in the me. Now, the Hamas and the PA are more concerned that their people keep up the hatred from birth until martyrdom or escape. Israelis sacrifice more then you mw Zionist haters ever have spouting off bds mantras. we fight but we know we're locked together. only radical extremists push for unacceptable terms with a fake love for equality as if any of you live in nations with actual equality. phonies on the right and left.

    • what's mad? saying the temple mount is an exclusive muslim land. that the Jews have nothing to do with Abrahams tomb. that askinazi jews (many who trace their ancestors move across Africa into spain then up through france into poland and russia) are really khazzers.

      you know I read something very interesting the other day. it was either a formal or possibly informal (it doesn't matter. it's still opinion) survey of the owners of radical websites. both right wing and left wing. apparently there are many owners of sites that try to remain serious that absolutely LOATH their commentary sections with other owners rarely reading or engaging them. wonder which owners they might be. they didn't say.

  • AUB Limited
    • @yfc

      So, when I apologized for making a play on your name it was really a play on your fake name? Hmm. Ok. Maybe yf is more like your alter ego more then an assumed name. I even remember you discussing your first name once.
      Anyway, your bringing up eisenmenger shows mainly how far out on the fringe you are. it takes a lot of work to dig up the most obscure jew haters from the four corners of the continent.
      And, it still does nothing to prop up saliata's paranoid case of jews I the woodwork. even the angry Arab-who skewers his home county, I don't think, proposes the aub is controlled by zionists. If the zionists do control the Arab world, America, Europe, Africa,etc., Isn't it game up?

  • Netanyahu's diplomatic charm offensive in Africa is bound to fail
    • @e

      There is nothing incorrect about your statement. if you prefer the iranian system of government(which you obviously do) you would only be in conflict with the general western (and specifically US) policy of containing Iranian influence since it benefits the ayatollah and its brutal basij, the irg and the butcher of a million fellow Syrians more then and before any benefit to Iranian people.

      let's see how far you have to dig to find Syrian war refugees, North African and others rushing to get into iran for their social benefits. but you far left fringe have a history of supporting the most brutal empires the earth has hosted in the past 500yrs. Russia killed over 20 million and mao did the same. your sense of outrage for tzyionism is questionable if it's anything more then an obsession. And strictly by the numbers Israel wars has resulted in death tolls that pale in comparison with 1000s of other international conflicts. but then you say it's not about numbers. it's about evil. another total joke.

    • mr. ((())) doesn't seem to understand what the word diplomacy means. another big surprise. israel has been helping africans for decades without much notice.

  • Charlottesville is moment of truth for empowered U.S. Zionists (who name their children after Israeli generals)
    • @p

      your statement is pretty funny considering it was most likely mondoweiss and cohorts that cabs up with the term ', liberal zionist' to differentiate between zionists they consider 'hopeless causes' in terms of the fringe left being able to convince them of anything from the stupid gullible jewish folk who are zionist but desire a peaceful outcome to the I/p conflict where both israel and the palestinians make painful decisions and get on with a two state solution. these 'liberal zionists' represent a small chance of letting sites like MW change their opinions and so they deem to 'speak' to them. bye bye jSt?

    • The fact that PW doesn't know the difference between Israel supporting american jews criticizing the neo-nazis in america and jews in america who cheer the existence of israel is why he will remain a representative of the fringe radical left with limited base of support.

  • Trump support for racists forces Israeli leaders to take sides, but which side will they choose?
  • The Israeli right can't condemn Charlottesville because its whispered policy is, Nakba
    • @m
      So, your saying anybody who "grew up" in Israel has a much better handle on the I/p conflict and what the definition of Jewish is. thank you. I've been saying much of the same for many years. who is going to stop the small minority of radical israeli wing nuts running amuck around the world espousing their own personal theories about origins of eastern euro jews? yfalic has blessings to claim anything he wants. He just can't claim that his views are believed by any but a small fringe.

      And that fringe would be:

      . " Jewish is a choice" ok. If you (and all your dozens of links that your going to provide as proof) want to believe in that and the tooth fairy it's ok by me. I now understand where your coming from. pro-choice all the way.

    • @yonifalic

      I apologize for the name play. it won't happen again. it was inappropriate.

      * i still think your beliefs are a real trip.

    • @mrn

      The American far left is far more similar in viewpoint to neo nazis then anyone on the far right in Israel. both groups spout the same line about Zionist influence. You both believe zionists control the US Congress and more. You both believe that zionists own the banks, the media and the entire entertainment industry. The only difference afaict is the far left states they have no problem with Jews when what they mean is they have a HUGE problem with almost 90% of world Jews but can tolerate the small percentage that disavow or rejects Zionism. And as I said, that's called Jew hating and it's on the Nazis and on far left as well.
      If you can't look around and see who your allied with you could be accused of being blind.

    • @c

      . I agree. But, since I don't know what happened to spark the violence I can not say if the neo nazis were attacked or if they attacked. Obviously some Nazi ran a woman down and wether provoked or not is on him. As for some on the left, I only know you don't show up for peaceful counter protest with bats. Otherwise I've been in the US when other neo Nazi groups marched, sued in federal court and even when the fbi attacked a family and killed the son and mother. It's not like this is a new issue in America. neo nazis are there among you, have been and will be for a long time. They are poor suffering dopes who believe in a non existent fairy tale.

      You really seemed to get my point with the "birds of a feather.." comment. But the funniest line was "choose to be Jewish" .!

      . Please tell that to my relatives if you see them when you drop dead. Tell it to my family who fled from Israel to Morocco, up to Spain an then half went back to Morocco and the other went up through France, Germany, into Poland and Russia. they would have a great laugh at the whole 'choice' thing. Of course some could have converted in spain by force, not choice, to Catholicism and face torture if they said a prayer in Hebrew. Oh, oh better yet..... That story (my narrative) must be false because, you know, askinazi Jews are khazzers and can't have come from Israel. Why -even your local genius yonifalicy says it's so. And he's studied! We, the great warrior tribe defeated by Muslims and chose to convert to Jews . I never heard anything make more sense then that.

      But,i agree that someone like say... Phil Weiss could choose to leave Judaism behind and if there are no offspring he would easily be forgotten as having anything to do with being a jew. He could speed up the process by changing his name to white but it's not required ( though, somebody in the future might put him in a camp anyway.) If Jews can choose to be Jewish why don't the Arabs convert to Judaism and claim Israel and eventually convert back to Islam. Why couldn't Spanish Jews choose what to be? Why did the Muslim colonizers force Jews an masse to convert to Islam if we've always had such "choice".
      . While I doubt the moderators would blink an suspect that comment alone should be sufficient for a ban. You might as well say that Lena Horne, Lenny Kravitz or Alexander Dumas got to choose wether they were black or not. repugnant is one description.

      . What does skokie have to do with the Charlottesville incident? Hmm. Maybe it's that America has made space for neo nazis to march for decades and mostly without incident. And the irony is that it was the former left (with Jews aplenty) that fought for the Nazis to claim their rights to free speech. Now, the left is just as intolerant as they claim the right is. That's the point.

      . You already fought the battle of Skokie and moved on. At least most Americans did. And the number of Nazis hasn't grown very much over the years. They just mastered the internet and created a louder and more devious voice. Exactly what the far left does when it claims intersectionality can't support Zionism but otherwise have no problem with Jews. I know you don't understand why that comment is such a crock. If the left can only tolerate the very small percentage of Jews worldwide (you really think the Jews here on MW represent anything but far fringe? ) who do not support the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state then the far left absolutely has a BIG problem with Jews. If only a small % of Jews are tolerable to anybody it's called Jew-hating which is exactly what neo nazis do.. which is my point in the first place! now I've made it twice.

    • @r

      You have far more in common with the US neo nazis then any right wing Israeli no matter where they live in Israel Judea or Samaria. Start with the disgust (really fear, jealousy or deluded self righteousness) for Zionism, the belief that aipac runs Congress. the banks and the media and work your way down from there. you have a lot of nerve yakking about similarities to the u.s. kkk and neonaz.

      Btw- It was the left wing who supported the ACLU who fought ( & with good cause) tooth and nail to allow neo nazis the right to march 'peacefully' on Skokie, a town with a high proportion of shoah survivors. The ACLU of the 70s is the mainstream conservative today. my how ye have changed.

  • Chomsky still believes in the old Israel. I did too, once upon a time
    • @d

      . You yourself might want to research Sharon's disengagement from Gaza. There was no immediate blockade and it took the Palestinian peoples electing the Hamas to rule them and then the Hamas justifying their launching rockets into southern Israel that caused the crackdown leading to the current state of misery for certain neighborhoods and certain sectors of Gaza society. There is of course blame to go around on both sides but glossing over the basic facts that occurred (and that could have occurred but did not) on the ground is not going to help Gaza's achieve anything close to what they want.

    • Page: 19
    • chomsky toppled by the fringe radicals for not sufficiently hating everything connected to israel and zionism. he understands the language that groups use and he's probably nauseated by much of what he might read here in the commentary or at the other one or 2 prominent hate sites.

  • Lessons from Finkelstein: International Law and equal rights should be the focus for Palestine solidarity
    • @[email protected]
      i'm all for 'everything's fair game'. and the icj has lost any credibility as a "force" for anything other then symbolic and has done nothing but chase after except low hanging fruit, warlords and two-bit dictators. most emerging nations would rather take matters of justice into their own hands and find the iic condescending and racist. no wonder its so appealing to far-left progressives.

  • American Jews have a right to resist Israel as Jews
  • Zionism is apartheid, and worse
    • @jg

      . I know what barghouti and his million dollar Palestinian financed bds movement wants the eventual destruction of Israel as the nation of Jews. I'm pointing out to bds supporters that just because those words are not specifically spelled out dies not mean we are going to fall for their asinine tactic thinking they will fool us

    • @yfc

      "Customary law" . You've got to be joking. Anyway, I've already stated that many nations embraced basic humane laws before there ever was an ijc.

      Of course any so-called international law can be challenged in a court. The decision to do that however might be put off as it would lend credibility to an increasingly discredited, racist, patriarchal and condescending organization. Take for example the legality of the Israeli blockade" of Gaza. international maritime law has declared it a legal blockade while other international courts have found otherwise. There is no jurisdiction or ability to carry out any legal action to circumvent the blockade. Maybe another flotilla will be tried but we know how that will go.

      The point about laws practiced by "various states" and "customary laws" is one of the reasons many African, Asian and other nations consider the icj to be a colonialist, racist and patrarchal organization dispite the placement of jurists from around the world on its benches. When the world sees an American, Russian or Chinese official in the dock at the Hague I might believe there is a very small chance of ever seeing anyone from Israel, KSA, South America and even Syria (perhaps the single most documented war crimes committed in the past 75 years the world over) . So, while the hardcore MW commenters can continue to have their wet dream fantasies about Bibi in the dock it's just not even worthy of contemplation.

      As for the international courts so-called definition of apartheid? It's no different then how the Arab Muslim block in the UN has been able to devote more then 75% of security council censures and anti Israel resolutions rather then focusing on the other widespread and 10x more murderous regimes, including many of themselves, that inflict 1000x more havoc in the world then Israel ever has in its 70+ yrs. The UN and the ICJ are equally as big a waste of time and credibility as any org. in the past 70 yrs . With that said, how do any of you here seriously expect any serious nation to take the icj seriously? It's a joke. Serbia and a couple of African warlords. Big whoop.

      Yes msr , you read correctly and I do say so. And, I'm sure you understand exactly what my meaning is. In fact, you are the living proof that backs up what I wrote, so thanks.

      And back to yfc, after reading about a family line that fled across North africa to Morocco and then into Spain with half returning to Morocco and the other half migrating up and into Poland all circa 16th-17th century I have to think those clinging to the khazzer theory are more then just mistaken, they also have strong signs of psychopathic obsessions similar to hardcore conspiracy theorists and idiotic revisionists. But really, khazzers are your bag? romantic warrior turks being the 'real' Jews? Knock yourself out. Wetter mw should ban you or not-your right up there with holocaust and nakba deniers.

    • @dr.

      "non racist racist." and somebody gave you a phd.

    • @k

      are you also "sick and tired" of reading the ever growing release of files and reports that fdr and the dos knew about the mass murder of euro jews and still restricted the numbers?

      i know that there were famines caused by stalin that killed millions but i am not familiar with how widespread this info was in the u.s. at the time. in fact the american left-repleat with many jews-were still lauding how amazing stalin was -just like the far left in the s now laud the tyrant in tehran.

    • @j

      do you mean like more germans came to accept the sober reality that the jews were their misfortune in the 1930s and 40s?

    • @jo

      just because you believe in the mythical status of i. pappe as an authoritative voice on the matter of the i/p conflict does make him anything but the disgruntled, discredited , disgraced and widely debunked pseudo-historian that he is. try somebody less embarrassing to your cause.

    • @e

      "Mr. Barghouti is right to oppose a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine. Still not seeing anything about the “goal of BDS is the destruction of Israel”.

      This isn't high school debate club 101 over here. you really think we are just going to pretend your little winky-wink rhetorical tactic will mean anything to either israeli jew or arab israeli? your pyrrhic point scoring is so pointless its pathetic but totally apropos for the typically pretentious and piqued mw commenter.

    • International law. if the so-called international law was ever seriously challenged it would not hold up . south africa instituted and defined the term. the palestinians want to define the specifically south african policy to suit their own needs as part of their legal war against israel.

      international law can state whatever it wants but major points have never been challenged in open court. their a many lawyers (and not all zionist) that believe judea and samaria can be successfully argued as legally belonging to israel or at the very least not illegally settled in any sense of the word. [yes there are many others who believe the opposite but the only point is it has not been definitively decided. neither has jerusalem.

      then there is the other point about so-called international law. it is essentially toothless. russia, china, south america, india, pakistan, iran, u.s. and many more nations completely ignore international law with highly disputed issues while abiding by laws that have long been established as internationally humane-long before there was an icj. there are many other nations that completely ignore international law by engaging in open and unfettered human trafficking, drug smuggling, secret incarcerations and so forth.

      its just seems self-righteous to be screaming "international law! international law!" in answer to every well placed counterpoint. one might as well be screaming into a vacuum.

      * it is always obvious to me when a pro-zionist commenter makes a painful point as the responses are usually massive link-dumps that simply restate their already well know side of the argument. never conceding a single point is not often a sign of strength. its often a sign of insecurity.

  • Dershowitz and Chomsky agree on one thing
  • If you can't say 'equal rights,' I can't work with you
    • "I think Mr. Cohen builds better than he knows. He would push Israel off a cliff, and then be sooo surprised when Israel can’t fly.
      The expectation or just the fear of even a fraction of the things Mr. Cohen advocates will be a death-knell for Israel. But why not put a little honey on the poison?"


  • New poll shows 2/3 of Jewish Israelis want death penalty for Palestinian attackers
  • As Israeli soldiers crushed Gaza, world Jewry united, and sent Ben & Jerry's ice cream to the front
  • Jodi Rudoren says Palestinians experience 'apartheid' -- but not in NYT
    • @b

      If that is true then the videos recording young palestinian men (and women) lunging at and plunging knives into israelis going about their everyday business (such as yesterday's video of a unarmed jewish israeli grocer stocking shelves suddenly attacked by palestinian co-worker with large knife plunged cowardly in neck, back, head chest and arm) do more to stereotype palestinians to the world then any hateful , corrupt, fork-tongued leader in the plo, pa , Fatah, pflp or hamas ever could. or maybe not. hard decision

  • Trump portrait appears on separation wall, credited to Australian street artist
    • America stole all of its land unless you count the blankets, beads and few bucks paid for Manhattan legit. You think you have a 'side' that comes from a deep place of love and concern and your political foes come from a place of hate and disregard. a world of'us and them' (as MW had displayed on its banner headline about who prints the so-called 'truth'.

    • @j

      I can assure you there are many here on both sides from different religions and cultures who feel it is an indignity and inconvenience that there should be any wall seperating them from all of their historical and indigenous homeland

  • Uncritical Jewish identification with oppressive Israeli policies fuels anti-Semitism -- Klug
    • Only a fool would state that the Arab masses in almost ALL the Arab nations and then the Muslims in the Muslim block nations really give two crps about the Palestinian people. It can be proven so many times over that the Jewish state had done more to improve Palestinian lives then any other Arab/muslim state.
      . What had been accomplished is the Arab/muslim mains have, for over 70 yrs, used the jews in Israel and Jerusalem to incite their people to deflect the corruption and oppressing going on I their own nations since focusing on the dmn Jews as the enemy and cause of their suffering was so so much easier. It's still that way. Nothing much has changed.

  • On Tisha B'Av, we must mourn our complicity
    • The 9th of Av. Two temples. Expulsions. Pogroms. No connection whatsoever. That silly Jewish notion that the temple stood somewhere on the mount is nothing short of absurd. Ninth of av is nothing but old wives tales.

  • Debunking the 2 claims: anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism, and BDS unfairly singles out Israel
    • Your living in some fantasy fairy world.

      And be a mensch.... Research what Israel has contributed to technology and have the guts to boycott items and other things that aren't just inconvenience s

  • 'Transferring' Palestinian citizens of Israel to a Palestinian state goes from outrage to Netanyahu policy
    • And that's because American Jews have been engaged in a70 year policy of violence and murder where innocent American civilians were bombed, school children slaughtered and blown up forcing the American government to protect their citizens in your ridiculously hypothetical world.

    • @jg

      . How dare you divert the subject of this thread and the bitter commentaries that follow. Do you not understand that Israel is the source of every major conflict in the region and far beyond since its rebirth in '48. Even if Arabs killed way over 100000s Of Palestinian between 48 and 2017 it is Israel (and by extension, the 90% Jews who consider themselves Zionist supporters) who is art fault. you don't understand basic logic.

  • From Russia with love--hundreds of women left Eastern Europe to marry in Gaza
    • @t

      But MW brags loudly about how 'we' tell the so-called 'truth' and 'they' tell lies. Such a simplistic outlook. You mw commenters must believe you are coming from a place of love and concern for fellow humans while the 'they' must come from a place of hatred and disregard for their fellow man. It's a way of thinking, a way of presenting stories, narratives and hasbara that fits the mold off true believer. It pits you against your enemy with maximal demands and victory at any cost being the basis of your sides support based in love and respect. But then it's so typical. So obvious. But.... humanity, in general lacks much to be desired, including you here, Palestinians and plenty of israelis as well

    • @r

      Quite an indictment from those Palestinian hasbarats who try and convince the so-called bleeding heart progressive left that Gaza (devoid of a single Jew or Israeli for years) is like a German ww2 concentrtin can camp and the 'world's largest open air prison' . It is far from where the strip could have been had the Hamas embraced a culture of rebuilding the infrastructure, utilize the billions in structures useful to a growing economy. But Palestinian pr does not like to discuss why the greenhouses were destroyed,100s of seaside homes too and decided lobbing missiles, most primative, but ppl plenty of surprise advanced long range missiles would be the best decision to try and negotiate a treaty they clearly could not conceive of.

      But, other then the contained areas military/Civilian where IDF concentrated its fire power, where things are still a nightmare of destitution because their leaders believe that building defensive and offensive strategies is more important then their civilians who should be happy to be martyrs according to HAMAs.

      And I agree with the author ..even if there is no negotiation with hamas - Israel can keep most sanctions in place but should absolutely allow more vetted civilians to have some freedom of movement travel out of the strip.

      I hope this lady has a safe and very happy marriage to her husband. When she referred to "you people" I was unclear however. It didn't seem like she was referring to Israelis specifically but maybe. . Regardless, I hope she lives to see a new government emerge very soon that will negotiate and improve most Gazans (except for the privileged Hamas cronies who already live in open luxury. Luxury vehicles abound as do swanky hotels, malls restaurants.) lives but 100%.

  • Lindsey Graham asks whether AIPAC, which comes to Capitol Hill in 'droves,' is a foreign agent
  • Israel is losing the battle for public opinion thanks to honest journalists, and platforms like Mondoweiss
    • Most people know the difference between honest journalism, biased journalism, citizen-journalist reports vs. professional journalism. Most also know the difference between ideological reporting that may be honest but through omission Can leave half of any given story out. And then there are op-eds and amateur opinion pieces. All part of a robust but decidedly one sided publication. the same can be said for pro-zionist web sites which do approximately the same thing as MW does. however, I have never seen another site with a comment moderator like anni who pops out occasionally to use pretty well honed rhetorical and debating skill to take out a commenter whose comment she finds lacking in some way.

      One example to illustrate the problem is the comparison of the al Dura killing where a French reporter went through similar difficulties the above reporter claims happened with his reporting I jenin. both reporters have claimed to prove absolutely the other side was ,'impossible' but publishers and editors withheld robust support.

  • Rabbi Rosen's final mourning
  • 'Lack of hope' drives Palestinians to carry out terrorist attacks, State Department says
    • @am

      You must be joshing. the past. 8 yrs of Obama were constant release of reports blaming Israeli policy for 'inciting' violence. when Netanyahu unilaterally froze settlements for a year where was Abbas except to show up at the end and demand more freezes and more time. Israel has better things to do with ours time then go after two bit reports on what the traditionally long-time arabist and not particularly supportive of Israeli policy.

      If 8 yrs of Obama, Rhodes and state dept combined couldn't make much of a dent in American relationship and support for/to Israel this new report isn't very likely to either.

  • Sorry, American Jews, you don't have a birthright
    • DBG was aware of his small stature and believed the hair gave the impression of a larger presence. Danny DeVito should play him in an auto biopic

    • 1. The three vows were written post Judea when rabbis were still trying to come to grips with a non-biblical diaspora. If Jews got a reputation for being compliant, or weak, or dhimmis it was not from Jews that lived in Judea and Samaria. And anyway, of the Ashkenazi are really khazzers, a warrior tribe from the steppes, how did they become so compliant in so grew generations?
      2. Jews have always been a large assortment of orthodox, semi observant and secular. From Moses to Meir. There are Catholic nations where 1000s of Catholics have affairs, get abortions, have homosexual relations and yet you don't see the pope excommunicating them.
      . 2a- just saying, your theories about Zionism and Judaism wouldn't hold up to an argument with even second tier experts but naturally, MW is a captive audience. Pat yourself on the back.

      3. Listening to liberals spouting off about Russia, especially American Democratic liberals is one of the richest and most hypocritical complaints that liberals have been whining about for over 75yrs.

      4. There are not too many people's" the earth who have survived as a nation, culture, race, ethnicity like Jews have. And Jews in imperial Russia, Poland, white Russia, Germany France England, the entire Muslim block of nations and more were never considered citizens with national identities matching the Christian and Muslim citizens. They were always Jews subject to distinct laws. Their identity papers all said 'jew' . So while you may not see an individual identity as a people it really doesn't matter much to fold outside of the elektik intafda and mw crowd. There is a club with members that insist the world is only 10,000 years old and have an incredibly down part explanation that millions believe in entirety. So, peddle what you like here but please take a reality pill first.
      And btw, Americans not descended from the first nations people's, it can be argued, have as little right to a speck of land I the US anymore then your argument that Jews have no right to Judea

  • Crossing AIPAC leaves writers smeared, politicians' careers 'suddenly stalled' -- Sullivan
    • Oh right. Like KSA doesn't have enough clout in the US legislature to make sure there is no press that would spur any investigation. Obama just made the Iranian mullahs and the irg filthy stinking rich and they have squads of morality police and basij to beat women with clubs of they have slightly uncovered hair. So why would Americans give a real shit about KSA women not being able to drive? considered legally 'minors' with no rights except what their male relations deem . Americans may complain but I the end they just consider it irritating news from a nation that, because of political correctness to blame religion, is just portrayed as a quaint nation with old fashioned standards that's creeping into the present. Of course there wouldn't be an investigation as there are no obsessive/compulsive ksa-haters and especially not the kind that israel has to deal with.

  • 'Netanyahu doesn't have a vision for peace,' Gillibrand says at town hall aroused by boycott bill
    • @e

      Well, while I agree that there are some people and some groups that can reasonably accused of using the shoah to raise funds, scare, etc but I find it impossible to believe that folks from the residents of skokee to the few remaining survivors that go around and give talks to students from every walk of life, religion and nationality, some in partnership with rwandan, Armenian, native American speakers who educate the students what an actual and true genocide is. Not one made up in ultra liberal bleeding heart offices funded by millions that claim a genocide can be committed with 10 fold population growth, exponential growth of international attention and the focus of 90% of UN resolutions condemning individual nations

      Also, it doesn't sound like you understand the definition of objective except from the most closed minded pov possible.

      One thing my Zionist grandfather drummed into my childish Jewish head was the not particularly unique to judaism motto: always put yourself into your enemies shoes, then try and walk a kilometer in them, see what you think, feel.

      I don't get a lot of that cruising this site. Sometimes a flash but mostly believers who have set themselves hard.

    • Netanyahu just made a lot of his supporters on the right and far right pretty fkn angry by rescinding the metal detectors. They want his head. I can't tell if this means he'll hold onto his seat or lose it.

    • @cz

      what,? he's using a very distant dead relative to lend credibility to his outrage at the congressional bill amongst other complaints about Israeli policy. as if he should have more right to be angry and justified just because his great aunts nephews niece was gassed. That, my friend, is exploiting the holocaust.
      Anyway, it's finklesteins raison d'etre not mine.

      I just read the very first of group of. Yazidi girls(now young women) who were captured, stolen , kidnapped and sold for a few dollars to be sexual slaves and passed around from one disgusting filthy isis fighter to the next are testifying at the UN. They are using the lessons of the Jewish people in Europe during ww2 as an example and inspiration. Guess there will be a lot of frustration and anger with that.

    • You really think there is a difference if you could tee remove yourself from your emotions for just a minute and judge objectively?*

      * Something tells me I should never have 'asked' that.

    • ho-hum again. there it goes, another aggrieved jew milking the holocaust ( a "distant relative" no less who who knows how little or how much it effected his life?) for cheap points and fake credibility. but that's JVPs whole deal. that's pretty much their core tactical position.
      tsk tsk , what would prof. finklestein think....

  • Bill making it a federal crime to support BDS sends shockwaves through progressive community
    • @mo

      Ok. I'll start packing

    • @gz

      Oh sure, there are literally dozens of articles on all of the BDS movements against all these other countries. And I'm also sure all of the supposed activists organizing these phantom bds are locked up tight in somebody's jail.

    • @mis

      Look, if your comfortable believing skewed presentations on the efficacy of bds from an extremely anti-israel anti-zionist blog (along with regular posting on the other premier Zionist-hating site mw then that is your sphere of information and and opinion formation.

      . But, if you really believe that bds is successfully harming our economy I think you should broaden your horizons with at least some reading on international affairs, Jane's, etc.
      If bds idea of great 'success' is soda stream, well that's kind of a joke, especially since they have reopened and are trying to arrange busing for the former Arab employees still hoping to get their old jobs back.

      Bds has mostly been successful as a big PR stunt which is pretty much the ONLY way groups like BDS, JVP, SJP , codepink and others can claim success. They have bought themselves msm attention. And even if Israel had to spend many millions more to counter bds it is not to stop its economic effectiveness but to counter the Palestinian hasbara and make sure Americans know what bds is from the Israeli pov.- or more hasbara if you like. I understand you have dozens of serious arguments for the legitimacy of bds but really, the conflict Is fought in the realm of expensive Madison ave. PR which, despite bds cries of 'grassroots!" Is funded by billions in Euro and American ngo money. Money that surely didn't go towards bettering the lives of Palestinian Arabs in either Gaza or Samaria and Judea. The other billions go into the Abbas syndicate which makes tony soprano look like a teenage shoplifter.

    • @ms

      well, i bet you read every single word on the edge of your seat. maybe you even fell off.

      i bet a few others did too. and coming from the mw honorary and dedicated court jester i'm not sure how to take your compliment.

      btw: i also wouldn't be surprised if in one day you post enough substance free quips that they would dwarf a month of my posts here

    • @ec

      By the way, why do you write about this without even the most basic Latin and history....................................could recruit for a low stipend? "

      This has got to be one of the funniest one paragraph snarly replies you ever posted.
      You really do have it all worked out, man. Anyway, the paragraph was surprisingly entertaining and even bracing.

      not to worry.....not trying to compliment whatever mediocre intellect you possess. but you managed to break through the mediocrity today to something close to astounding, which is rare.

    • @ml

      Spare yourself the waiting for some "interesting" report that you seem to have a hunch about anyway. I'll tell you:

      Of course there is a correlation. Obviously, there will prove to be a correlation if a neutral pole was taken. Take from me, I should know.

    • I mean, could you just imagine what would be written here at mw if it was Israel that hatched 18 fanatical Israeli settlers to train and crash the wtc. Oh, right. I forgot there are so many folks here who believe it really was Israel who took down the towers. Ok, so what anybody but the totally crazy conspiracy nuts would be saying about our friend an ally. Why has KSA been given an absolutely pain free pass on starting the ridiculous 'war on terror' more properly known as 'how to grow dozens more al-quadas in under 5 years. Seems like ksa has enough pull to silence any real effort to punish kingdom. Israel can't even put the small by comparison USS liberty bombing behind it even with a serious apology, compensation paid and another strong apology. What kind of influence is that that Israel can't silence bad press on the 50yr old calamity when KSA can silence the msm on 9-11 almost in totality.

    • read those b4. Ho-hum.* They were debunked almost immediately on assorted grounds and the first is not actually disputing dna credibility. Look for the DNA markers that many levant Arabs, Berbers and other me people share with eastern euro Jews. it's not magic. if you care, there is a tribe in south africa who has an oral history so similar to biblical Judaism that this tribe claimed for decades it was descended from Jews in the levant. Along comes dna and surprise, they share similar dna markers prove a strong similarity with ashkinasi Jews as well as other me people's. But this is strictly sidebar information for dedicated Israel haters.

      So, I guess as a serious 'historian' you missed class on the day they explained that the biggest number of judeans fled West across North africa and then on to spain, then up through western Europe into Poland,russia, ukraine etc. Like dude....duh.

      Is it possible some Jews from the Babylonian exile migrated northeast through Persia into the caucases? Possible. But jews that stayed in the now Iraq/iranian area never migrated out en masse until modern Israel was created and they were kicked out, threatened out, checked out, stolen from and made refugees. And now you can cue to the Palestinian hasbara about Zionist operatives planting fear in Jews forcing them to flee Muslim lands without just cause.(the iraqis just figured, 'hey, if these jews are leaving anyway lets steal every cent and centimeter from them just for fun' .). hence, the wealthiest concentration of Jews in the world outside europe, some there over 2000 years were cleansed in a flash. But let's not get into Zionist vs. Palestinian hasbara for now. Suffice to say I am aware of your views on this and many other topics related to the creation of Israel.*

      * I would add that the theory of khazzer Jews is certainly romantic even if impossible to prove. There are some obscure but interesting ancient accounts of. massive battles fought by khazzers against usurping Arab and Muslim colonialist hordes. eventually defeated and supposedly the king given the choice to convert to either jew or muslim (a HIGHLY suspect and seriously contentious story). to claim that center of Jewish life in eastern and western Europe , the intensive study of torah interpretation by the educated class was born out of the warrior khazer kings is not only fanciful but farcical as well.
      . But then, it helps Israel and jew haters to mentally define askinazi as something entirely different from the compliant jewish dhimmis that were conquered and colonized by the Arab plan to islamasize the entire ME. So, make them khazzers who morphed into zionist which is much easier to portray as an evil, suspect and worthless people who simply have an obsession to steal, NOT their own former homeland in the steppes , but Judea and Samaria from the simple Palestinian folk who have been there forevR.

    • @js

      . Wether you understand it or not the real world runs on diversion, level of importance to the majority, truth versus propaganda, who owns the so-called truth and what is it?
      . My point has always been that there are vastly more powerful and more influential lobbies in the US that's completely dwarf aipac. MW insists on presenting aipac as one of the largest, most influential, most insidious, most corrupt, etc. lobbies in existence and it's simply NOT true. Just because somebody yells 'whatabout-ism' , diversion or sticks their fingers I their ears and sings la la la la lah doesn't change the facts. It's like discussing the power dynamics of Russia and the US and someone mentions China and everybody yells, "diversion!"

      In this case and in yours the complaint about diversion is pathetic.

      And BTW: Palestinians and Palestinian activists are trained in and utilize their own version* of hasbara as much as Israel and possibly more successfully in the past few years then the "zio-nazis"

      * In Israel there is no specific word for 'propaganda' . Look up the hebrew translation for 'version' because that's all it is and all its about.

    • You can "confirm" as an "historian" that the stereotypes about Jews are correct. That is really rich coming from somebody who just admitted they were indoctrinated and brainwashed into despising the religion of his people from an early age. It sounds like he despises his own people as well if he even considers himself to have 'people' in the first place as he evidently thinks both to be "repugnant" based on obviously extensive 'historical' research. In fact, I think I can remember some posts where the totally (and historically) debunked theory about the origins of Ashkenazi being wrapped up in the history of a Turkic people of ancient times called khazzers. Not that anything in particular is wrong with khazzers or other turkic tribes but the Jew/khazzer theory is ridiculous, unproven by genetic testing and primarily an argument used specifically by those who are interested in delegitimizing any connection between Judea, Samaria and European Jewry.

      . But as for banning any comments by YF? It would be ridiculous as people like yf are the bread and butter of. MW. Owner pw had devoted considerable energy to building up this very specific blog which is devoted to a very specific viewpoint of Jewish history, European history and the history of the ME. This is what mw is all about. It can be entertaining to call out hypocrisy when one finds it here but I wouldn't expect the moderators to ban comments generally favorable to their core.

      The moderators tolerate quite a bit of harsh criticism from pro Israelis so it's kind of pointless to complain about a privately owned site with no obligation to print anything critical of their articles and commentary except for the owners own view of what constitutes credibility.

    • You should have taken a different tack. Your going to be dismissed outright as a toxic Zionist conspiracy spouting anti Jew. The love for Israel among the population of US Christian and Catholics is stronger then the progressive+some libertarian fringe.

      On the other hand, the bill, without my reading it and based on greenwalds often hysterical analysis sounds to be competent overreaching and normally I would assume it was some bizarre rider placed inside a trade bill. Seriously doubt all the Zionist hating lefties will feel anything from any branch of govt law enforcement even if this bill were to pass.

      There is a better chance of Roger Waters being banned from long island

    • Oh, what what aboutRE . What difference does it make to the US Congress?

    • Is there a BDS movement focusing on:
      North Korea
      Saudi Arabia

    • @q

      No offense to your personal views but you might want to take a gander at some news outlets that are just a tiny bit to the right of the hard left(like MW) before you state that "so many" people support bds. I think the actual numbers, especially in the US are pretty miniscule compared to what the vast majority of left-, leaning, liberal, center sitting democrats and republicans(the biggest % of pro israel voters in my personal opinion and the right leaning republicans. Even the hard right has its share of Israel supporters for whatever screwy reasons some of them have about racial purity(which is something you'll never hear discussed in Israel while it's often alluded to here on MW in reference to Jewish Zionist and Israel supporters)

      I just don't think the numbers are very big unless your just counting Ireland separately. Or the second tier mediocre British universities as a bloc. Or Pakistan as a whole. Or just Roger waters fans.

    • " working in putting pressure on israel..." . That might be true but is bds working as in working? Not at all, even the reverse might be true.

      The comment on democratic hypocrisy on russia is right on

      If the bill about bds is true, itz a bad bill not unlike so many of obamas bills

      Phil is an eternal optimist so the buzz words about 'older' jews and aipac aipac aipac are expected. But it still cracks me up that pw believes aipac hold more power then:
      Big oil
      Big pharma
      Big agro
      Big insurance. ..

      Aipac just grabs headlines because it's 'jewish' news which holds an amazing amount of power in causing obsession amongst a certain set. Its a second tier lobby if that and were it not for the putting out names of individual doners would get as much coverage as the above mentioned lobbies. Monsanto surely causes more death, suffering and destruction by 10 to most of the world then the relatively small i/p conflict.

      With the comment from the royal farce of saudi Arabia(talk about influence. Hah. Easier for hard left to focus on Israel.) With the positive acknowledgement of metal detectors at holy sites it appears progressive plans for wiping out Zionism are going in the wrong direction, again. Israel has never been in a better position as middleman/broker between russia, us, gulf states and iran staking out the new boundaries of the same old cold war going on since the early 20th century.

  • The Palestinian Authority is on the verge of collapse, and collapse it should
    • Except that only a tiny percentage of the developing and developed world consider Israel a "pariah rogue state" . This is what some Arab states think, some Muslim states, definitely the Muslim republic of Iran thinks and the miniscule number of left wing fringe Israel haters like Phil, his crew and most of his commenters.

      Russia, USA, Canada, China, India, Mexico, Australia, Brazil, much of Europe, Japan, Philippines and dozens of other nations who trade in the millions and billions and receive very little I value from most of Israel's enemies. Iran is an exception but Persia has always been a force. But whatever your cockamamie interpretation on yet to be argued law, the vast majority of the world rolls its eyes when the left fanatic fringe start yelling pariah rogue state.

    • Thanks for your generous attempt to think and interpret for ABC because you no doubt feel she can't explain her/himself but I didn't mean it as a slight. She was writing about the PA which last I checked is not in control of Gaza wether you consider Gaza occupied or not. ( If you personally don't consider Israel removing every single Jewish Israeli a de-occupation of Gaza that is your opinion and personal interpretation of in international law)

      Other then correcting her slip I think she is correct and we will not want to re-occupy any area that is currently under PA, Fatah, or tribal (yup, tribal) control. And Gaza is stuck with Hamas, wether anyone there likes it or not. in fact, they voted them into power.

    • @abc

      . I think you are confused. How can we reoccupy a place we already occupy? Gaza could theoretically be 'reoccupied' however I don't see that happening even if Hamas were to fall. If the PA is taken down there are billions it receives from the zzz UN and European nations as well as the USA. It should be sufficient to not only govern but improve the lives of 1000s of average Palestinians who want nothing to do with violence or fighting Israel and have been cut off from the billions that go to support PLO cronies. So, in effect, yes, there is much agreement that the PA should go but little consensus that Hamas will be embraced by the majority populace. Not that they will have a choice. Hamas doesn't roll that way. Yet.

  • 'We need to cut their heads off,' Bush said of anti-western demonstrators in Syria in '06 -- Tzipi Livni
    • Those European nations are less civilized then the spotted double horned wart hogs they've been killing for centuries. European conferences will continue to become less important on the world stage while the world's growing powers are continuing to become closer to Israel culturally, politically and industrially. In fact, it would be a blessing of a country like Belgium would effectively ban any Israeli soldier/politician from entering on suspicion of war crimes as it would be hysterical to watch it become a world laughing stock.

      It's very likely that the apex of former European powers taking universal action against Leadership in nations they themselves ransacked and colonized was Spain's judge-activist Campaign against pinochet. It worked in the political climate then but that world is gone.

      Of course the Hague can still try and pick on African folks because, well, it's so easy for liberal Europeans to go after African nations as long as they aren't in the Muslim dominated north.

      I am starting to appreciate how incredibly devoted and deluded the majority commenters here are in their zeal against Jewish sovereignty in Israel. While most of the fellow Israelis I know are well aware of our faults as a nation and people I think the single minded self-righteousness of anti zionists is impressive while the Palestinians have been duped into believing their maximalist goals will be realized, eventually, even if it takes 1000yrs.

  • 'You are thieves of history!' Hotovely tells Palestinians, waving books at them
    • "Like all zionists".... Really into the whole us and them scenario. Very advanced

    • @cg

      I know. The more I search the more ink I see from the lunatic left fringe like MW, Phil and his peanut gallery along with similar electronic intifada loons. 972 loons, ma'an liars, the absolute nincompoops whose public hate speeches are translated accurately by memri. And yes, I see the increasing amount of out and out lunatic Jewish Zionist who spew nothing but hate for Muslims, they generalize Muslims and it's disgusting but it doesn't change how Israel is soso differently perceived by non Muslim majority nations or nations like India taking stock of their own ancient religions. And China coming to realize that get very little tangible inn return from Arab nations most fanatical about destroying Israel. And all Russia EVER wanted was it's unimpeded naval base at tarkus, which between trump, Bibi and pute have preserved that while Assad while likely on my gain back a small feifdom to oppress and no longer hours Sunni majority.

  • Israeli paper investigates 50-year-ago attack on 'USS Liberty,' while US papers leave it in the letters column
    • @pk

      If you want to explore the "real" intention behind mondoweiss and phill you might want to start with the knights templar, the rosicructions and then the illuminati. That's a good start. Take the rest of your cues from there. Good luck. Your one of the most perceptive commenters that's come along MW inn a long time. Get to know the guy moos . He'll fill you in on the rest.

    • @balkback,

      Lol. "Conspiracy theorist" is now an "ad hominem" attack on MW yet everybody that hates zionists/israelis and Jews are writing over and over that there is some kind of conspiracy that took place between the US and Israelis but maybe, their not entirely positive exactly what conspiracy took place so some won't 'commit' . But.'conspiracy nuts'?. Not us.

    • Well, I can can't return to see this post eviscerated by the top cult members here. The edumacated ones. But I'll return in a while to check, (sorry moo, I know how bad you wanted me to give up scrounging around on anti Israel hate sites because I am not allowed on pro zionist sites, or so you imagine). I may not even disagree with as much as you assume here. I just think I understand where the Palestinians and their Arab allies are coming from since the 1920s, then '48 and so on. But feel free to tell me how little I know. After all, most here think Im some type of paid hasbarist (like Roger Waters is a professional Palestinian hasbarist who is paid plenty from the PA and bds orgs. and their Madison ave PR firms)

    • Since my other comment was censored ( I don't think for any grounds other then I must have used some terms the mods felt out of context)
      . But my simpler opinion is simply: if the liberty incident is finally proven to land on the side of not being as accidental as claimed ,(which is highly unlikely considering how much intelligence is out from both nations which are both conflicting, in agreement and ambiguous to every reach a solid conclusion) but if that were possible, what would it change except the metal scoreboard for dedicated Zionist/Israel/Jew haters? There have been many other accidents due to the fog of war as well add other incidents that may have been more reckless but we're not fully exposed for military strategic reasons. The USS liberty is just one of a very tightly packed list of a dozen or so incidents committed by Israel that were exposed as operations. They hardly ever vary and consist of:
      King David hotel/ begin
      The Lavon affair
      The highly disputed deir Hardin incident
      The USS liberty
      And, along with a few other notable failures there are the totally concocted incidents like

      The Dura shooting
      Israel poisoning Arafat
      And then incidents that the world condemned in public but secretly(or not so secretly) rejoiced at like:

      Saddam nuclear reactor
      Assads Korean/iranian built reactor and the world will never know had the Israelis been given US support to take out Iran's program in the mountains rather then appease them since they are now working with North Korea, and the Khan network to build up capability for instant warheads I 9yrs. But MW commenters seem to prefer this scenario I the basis that anything that's bad for Israel is great for them. Whether Iran mullah and his IRG are as rational as Obama believed remains to be seen. They obviously(and from their pov, naturally want an arch from tehran to Lebanon) But if the purpose is to investigate a war between its proxy and Israel the outcome would be at the least, incredibly bleak, probably worse then Syria and completely unpredictable as Israel has quiet military allies all over the globe and is not just dependent on their US to fight the Persian/shi'ia forces.

  • Canada order stores to deshelve settler wines with 'made in Israel' label
  • At NY premiere, David Grossman will join Netanyahu minister who boycotts Darwish
    • @yf
      The last paragraph is refreshing coming from a commenter who had always seemed to have a very accommodating view of blatent intolerance.

      I understand that Zionist viewpoints are as diverse as Muslim viewpoints but sometimes the commenters like the funny man and otters need to be reminded that they like to play I their own sandbox and have a very low tolerance for any but the few zionists that post here and that give them rocket fuel for their own rhetoric

  • NBC plays up gruesome crashes in Tour de France-- then blames the riders
    • @js

      But then Joe, the world will soon see how the branches , like tentacles, reach out to every corner of the earth so that Zionism can insidiously insert itself into innocent(even virginal) communities all over the earth and infecting everything from popular culture to out right manipulation of innocents to swearing allegiance to this branch, though he know not from what stuff it be made nor not from what embryonic kernel of idea it may have been built upon.

      Branching out is a dangerous concept to consider embracing in MW but then maybe his followers will find out what the "war of ideas" facing the middle East truly is. If they be olive branches may a white dove alight with every single one and, well, the one who has to fly with the olive branch and the ak-47 , May he be strong and courageous.

    • @cp

      "Silly bicycle race". Hopefully you have nothing like the undiagnosed case of Zionist ocd.. But still, no need to panic. There is EI, the Storm, for a laugh, JAZeera,. SJP or JVP.which all should fill your needs. I guess Phil has had the good sense and made time for himself to stop and smell the daisies, take in a game, go to the 92Y . Silly raHO, all work and no play........

    • @c

      What's the whimsical confession? That PW finds the coverage of tour crashing exploitative and he forgot to mention in the same sentence that zionists, in his opinion, do similar things? Boy, the rules you far left totalitarian types like to promote are strict.

    • Phil owns MW and can write about whatever he feels is important. What's your problem? If it's not about Zionism it isn't valid?

  • Join Roger Waters on Facebook Live as he discusses his support for BDS
    • Confused, do you all hate Putin now or love him? Can't keep track of left wing infatuations.

      I wonder how quickly Vlad would shut down mw. Or, any other web site he didn't like.

    • @c

      Maybe it is but waters is one of the top Palestinian hasbara specialists arounD so maybe the film maker has met his match.

    • Curious about a double feature. There is a soon to be made documentary about waters obsession with Israel and Jews and evidently calls for a boycott of waters himself. The director is not an unknown and has done some good work.

  • Nadia Hijab on Palestinian options, Jewish allies, and the Zionist crisis
    • The story of Solomon's judgement is a powerful parable for both parties to the conflict sharing administration of sites considered sacred. But that isn't what the majority of commenters here want when they hiss with fork tongues about what a just solution would be.

      I would add that while bringing up the Solomon story as analogy it might have to be changed to suggest that Solomon took such a long time to announce his decision that the said baby grew up into an adult and decided on it's own.

  • 'Dissidents like me depend on Mondoweiss': an Israeli describes challenging apartheid from within
    • The author doesn't consider the 20000-30000 European ngo's workers (many of them extremely hostile to the its current government and some free top work as openly hostile to the idea of Zionism or Jews having sovereignty over their own historical and sacred sites) as well as 100s, maybe 1000s of reporters living very securely in Israel while taking air conditioned day trips to visit certain people in Gaza or Hebron to report on the so-called miserable lives that certain Palestinian people live, the author doesn't consider that toleration of dissent. One sentence into this rant the agenda is obvious.

      Neiman is so ridiculous that he thanks mondoweiss and not the open system of our government to be the only way he can express dissent. Let's see how good a job mw can do.'allowing' dissenting voices out of North Korea, Iran and the other totalitarian regimes that claim to have freedom, especially of the press. Prove how brutal and intolerant Israel is compared to its enemies.

      At least admit that the anti-zionist movement has become (or learned from if that's more acceptable to those here) better at professional hasbara, anti-israel hasbara, but hasbara nonetheless.

  • Israel slams UNESCO World Heritage decision on Hebron as Palestinians celebrate 12-3 vote in favor
    • @jc

      You had me at "most Americans are completely ignorant."

      You personally may not be (an American either) but seem to be ignorant of the 'virtually insane Muslim conquering colonizing presence in the old city and ancient tombs of Hebron that the indigenous Jews there endured for centuries until finally, we regained sovereignty of our forefathers land. You obviously have a big problem with that simple concept. I'm sure there are just millions of 'serious' articles proving the whole Abraham thing is just bs fairy tale.*

      * And billions of 'serious' articles proving that even if the whole Abraham thingy isn't total bs, that it's all completely irrelevant to the existence of a Jewish Nation and anything even resembling Jewish sovereignty. I'm sure there are plenty of fairy tales I can read about that.

    • Forget it. You'll get nobody here to acknowledge the point your trying to make (which is in no way pro-israeli). They have a line they will never cross because their own little cult is more intolerant of dissent then any right wing Israeli govt has ever been.

  • Anti-Islamist chic
  • Marching on, beyond pinkwashing
    • The so-called progressive and hard left in the US is quickly embodying fascist and Nazi-like tactics to distinguish themselves, promote their hackneyed bullsht idea of 'intersectionality' (right up there with whataboutism as ludicrous rhetorical inventions) and then just as quickly demonstrate their hypocrisy how they are no more intersectional and engage in whataboutism As much as anybody else struggling to justify their position. The difference is: carting out JVP for a counter opinion is like carting out the few black employees of David duke to oppose the NAACP. JVP is strictly in the same league as neturei karta.

      It will be entertaining to watch the evolution of the hard anti Zionist left fend off the same accusations of Nazism and fascism that pro Zionist, pro Israeli have been dealing with for a while.

      So entertaining to watch the so-called progressive hard left try and punch its way out of the bag of fascism and nazi-like tactics that they themselves love to throw around at the vast %-85-90%- of Jews who identify as Zionist and pro israel along with the probably 1000s of millions but at least millions of Christians both Catholic and Prot., Hindu, Buddhist, Bahia etc. who also support Israel.

  • Israeli musicians to Thom Yorke: Canceling Radiohead show will disrupt Israel's 'business as usual' facade
    • That is like saying the rolling stones (another act that plays Israel) are on par with Englebert Humperdink. But if it makes you feel better....

      Also, Perlman is undoubtedly one of the best violinists alive and gene Simmons may be a weird guy but he also made a shtload of money and still does with young kids getting into the weird world of KISS. Kiss was on par with p. Floyd during the late 70s

    • @ms

      Ok funny man. Because you spout it, it must be true. You really don't enjoy coming up with your pithy quips when zip-supremacist comment. While it seems to me to be what you live for I'll just take your word that it is a painful and soul-sucking experience for you to answer anyone who posts pro israel commentary

      The only issue I can see with you in particular is evidently, you post so many 1000s of comments that there aren't enough zionists to satisfy your compulsion and continue to equip along regardless of content or relevance. But, supposedly, on MW, you are entertaining and fairly well liked. You found your comfort zone. Congratulations. Your going to deny how much fun you have typing from whatever podunk place you live in order to put us in our proper place.


      . Jordan is a completely made up state as are many other Arab nations carved up by colonial powers. If the British, who made a bloody mess of things had stuck to their original parameters for the Jewish Nation almost all off Jordan would be part of israel and a partition deal could have been worked out decades ago. But obviously, the totalitarian monarchy, house of Hussein has more legitimacy in your view then the majority of Arabs that did not identify as hussein and considered themselves South Syrian or or other Arab groups that populated some of current Israel and Jordan

      Also, to whomever thought I got the idea of'winner take all' backwards, I assure you, I know exactly from whence I write. There is no other example of a nation-victorious in 5 wars that has given up the strategic advantage it gained through blood and guts in order to sign a peace deal wether nobody knows who will be in power or wether any deal would be honored AFTER the land was returned. It's not only absurd and not realistic, it's not going to happen for a very long time of it happens at all.

      There are other concocted states that consider themselves Muslim but it's obvious your focus is on the Jews and nobody else.

    • @pk

      "the Jewish Nation does not exist"

      I could start there and continue but I just realized that you could be right. Maybe there is a parallel universe where Jew-hating, Zionist and Israel hating beings perceive their own world has no Jewish Nation and any suggestion of such brings about such vociferous debate complete with reems of supposed documentation and skewed references to international law.

      But in the world I live in, just about 99% of people I deal with understand the reality of the existence of this Jewish Nation called Israel. There are millions of Arabs that live here that have absolutely no desire to be subsumed by anything that even comes close to Palestinian authority. In fact, there is a long waiting list for Palestinian in Israel to obtain Israeli citizenship. They vote, they swim in the ocean and many of then want Israel to expand the civil rights it extends to Arabs until it is completely equal with Jews and that is a righteous and admirable cause which will come to be one day.
      . But as for ceding territory, especially in the current climate ( Oh yes, we know many of you believe the Arab spring and wars between Arabs and Arabs and Arabs and Persians are all a devious plot we hatched and sometimes it makes us chuckle,) is part of the same fantasy that there is no Jewish Nation, that Israel has no right to exist, that it's not a legitimate nation and so on. I would like to say your cracked in the head but I know there are many who believe as you do. It would be funny to say that it's a conspiracy but sadly, it's just mediocre mindset and true believer group think.


      The quickest way I could think of for MW to shrink readership would be to ban comments contrary to the group thinking of the core of regular (i understand, it's sort of like .... Your family)
      Commenters here. What on earth would get the likes of an ej, kth or gml to get their hackles up of everybody agreed? But it is true, PW took down the whole'war of ideas' lie. But you don't expect him to cut off the main source of entertainment value his site holds? ( or, I'm sorry, did you think that was you?)

    • @jj
      . Finally, a commenter with a brain who doesn't rely on emotions and envy.

      To those who oppose any form of normalization it just helps to point out the'victor takes all' fantasy Palestinian supporters have been engaging in for over 50yrs.

    • @pk

      We seem to be doing moderately well in terms of international relations and dealings for a nation you claim has no legitimacy. But I guess Germany also lacks legitimacy for the billion dollar sub deal. China lacks legitimacy for the billions bought from Israeli techno firms. I'd take your definition of lacking legitimacy any day over the legitimacy of Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Libya and more.


      . Hush you idiot. I mentioned nothing about "hate". Your fantasizing again. Your heroic role of chief comedian of mw is getting thin

    • @p

      Of course you believe there could only be "1 explanation" for any artist performing in Israel which, naturally to your mind, has to do with the avaricious accumulation of wealth.

      It wouldn't occur to you that some, (actually many) famous musical acts are just not going to be bullied around by the self-righteous scorn and hearts bleeding for- not really even one of the world's most violent or vicious conflicts going on in the past 10 years- for what? Their favourite pet liberal cause: trying to help achieve the goal of destroying the Zionist entity which is the Jewish Nation of israel. (the sound of the words,'jewish nation" must burn to some on the tongue like some anomaly too repulsive to even contemplate.) So dedicated to this cause are the BDS people. Insignificant in numbers of actual famous acts that draw anything but niche audiences (ok, waters can draw a crowd by virtue of pink Floyd and not from the 'Extremely wealthy has been former glory who is dedicated his life-not earnings-to bringing down Zionism' worshipping crowd.
      . In view of all that one might think that very popular huge drawing acts might just not agree with your rationale , your own bias and maybe they just don't give a damn like bds people do. Maybe they are still dedicated to liberating Tibet, last decades cause celeb. Anyway, one might think that people like Phil who use superflous language and saccharin sweet elbowing to people with'true progressive values' which if nothing else is one of the snottier statements from mw.

      Presumably york is wealthy enough to put your average millionaire out in the sand box and we can assume that waters equally wealthy goes on tour in all the other nations besides Israel for money. Doubtful he is living in any situation involving hardship. Maybe some musicians just resent the sht out of the idea that he can get off telling them wtf any one of them can do in fact, maybe some acts don't give a sht about Israel or the Palestinian governments and just like to play.

      But some, some could only imagine the motivation to play in Israel is strictly money. So typical
      of the average mw commenters.

  • 'A camera and not a gun': photojournalism as my weapon for justice
    • The photo of the sledgehammer guy looks like he's doing home renovation. There are no sections of the security barrier that utilize 4" block construction, which as the picture demonstrates, would not hold up to even a regular framing hammer let alone the obvious overkill of using a 15-20lb sledge. Of course, it's impossible that this shot was staged as publicity.

  • Why I'm keeping my child home from school in Israel on Holocaust Day
    • @kof
      Glad to hear your confused about what a jew is. but here is a news flash:

      we don't give a sht if your still confused. just like we imagine american black peoples don't give a sht wether white people are sometimes confused about what a black person is. we know what we are and don't care what your mediocre mind is confused about. most peoples in this world-from Alaska to zimbabwe know what a jew is so maybe your over thinking and straining your head.

    • Ok dumkoph mr funny. There are at least a dozen separate first nations people's from apache to cherokee to may other native tribes moved 100s to sometimes 1000s of miles from their ancient homelands along many different 'trails of tears' . Some from high plains desert to swamps in deep Florida. Sometimes from forrest hills lakes and rivers to dry chaparral. and that's just a few examples. Look to. russia pakastan, tibet, china and then there are examples in the arab and berber africa to south and north america. have fun googling all the names of people's displaced from their ancient homelands. that you focus compulsively on israel is your problem.

    • Well @kof, I was specifically responding to @mg mock question about what is a nation (meaning a peoples ) point in existing and to a question like that I obviously have nothing but contempt, embarrassing and some sympathy for a mind anchored in rage and to whom the idea of how much they hate jews (despite a 1000 protestations about the difference between hating zionism and jews-in this case absolutely none) and how warped and mediocre their reasoning is. how diseased and polluted their heart is with blackness. and if, by chance the responder is from a displaced palestinian family then I would say, the question is rhetorical and again, obvious. that they know exactly what "the point" is as it is no different then the point to his own existence, if there is one.
      . But to your question do I personally not see anything "shady" happening in the "area of Palestine"?.
      a) there is no area of Palestine because there has never been a negotiated peace with a complete cessation of claims and an end to conflict.
      B) and as for "shady"? Maybe it's a language issue but shady implies underhanded and scheming so no, I do not think anything shady is going on. we are and always have been upfront with are reasoning (and we do not take idiotic theories about how early zionists, our founding fathers and mothers all had secret alternative plans ,a,b,c or d to expand Israel from before our founding.) Our upfront attitude has always been,'quiet will be met with quiet'. That is crystal clear.
      C) is something "unfair" going on in both israel and the territories Judea, samaria and Gaza I would say yes. Of course there is unfairness. in the 40s and 50s the displacements of both Arabs living in pre state Palestine and post 48 Israel as well as the approximately equal number of Jewish Arabs kicked out of nations from Egypt to Iraq with all their money and land confiscated . it was all very unfair. I fact, lots of things are unfair but Israel has offered over 96% of Judea and Samaria as well as 100% of Gaza to the Palestinians was thrown back in our faces. Not once or twice but 3 times. This is not a fiction as rabid Israel haters like to twist every fact upside down to make those 3 offers as bad shady deals. That too is unfair. It's unfair that Palestinians value hatred of israel above cleaning up their leader ship from crooks and terrorists. It's unfair that the post Oslo Palestinians have been raised on a steady diet of how the heroes of their cause are the ones who kill the most me Jews. They are not prepared for anything resembling peace or an end to the conflict. They have been completely honest and upfront that any deal with zionists for whatever amount of territory would simply be a step towards liberating the entire'palestine' which would be 100% of israel as well as Gaza, and West bank. They think that is fair. I think it's delusional. Is it just a misreading of what peace means or is it a challenge that means one form of war or another, until death or submission. And that, unfair as it may be, is how the world works wether it is Christian, Arabic or simply Israel against the Arab/muslim bloc.
      D) do I have a heart? as big a heart as the famous welcoming in Israel and the fewer Arabs I know from West bank. People who haven't lived or spent much time existing (not referring to US or EU ngo activists) with people who have some legitimate and some illegitimate claims to your nation is, not fraught with the hatred and violence Hamas, Fatah and other terror dedicated groups is. we both show kindness to each other in many forms. our hospitals and clinics are filled with a mixture of jew muslim and Christian doctors and nurses that all dedicate to treat everybody equal. I could go on but prior here have a complete set of down pat answers that counter any single minor or major thing that is fair and highlight the aspects of the conflict. this is their job. they either volunteer or are professional propagandists who want the entire western worlds to hate Israel and force it to capitulate to the most maximal of Palestinian demands. Demands which have grown from workable to so unreasonable the idea of negotiations is ridiculous. The goal is to destroy Zionism which they have been brainwashed into thinking is some form off evil ideology akin to Nazism. It's so absurd that many can't process and simply understand the conflict as jew vs. Arab till death. and maybe it will come down to that. But yes,i have a heart for all who's lives will be destroyed by all out war. the idea that israel would give up all of East Jerusalem, all settlements, provide for physical ror not for those displaced but for generations into eternity, and, to boot provide a corridor between. Gaza splitting Israel in 2. And in return Israel gets what? a promise of peace? Worthless. We have been told 100s of times that whatever we give up is only a step towards the unification of ALL israel with jordan as a unified Palestinian state. Right. As if that will happen( though Obama, meshall and others would be satisfied with that. But now you get into an area where 'fairness' is too difficult to interpret. It becomes another meaningless phrase. The world has always been unfair. It will obviously continue to be unfair and many will continue to choose violence to try to achieve an unachievable goal. they can believe as much as their 'big heart's' desire but it didn't work in 48-9, 50s, 67, 73, 06, intafada 1 & 2 and now the 'knife/car ram ' campaign and it's not likely to work in the future which to me is unfair in my case but even more unfair to the majority of Palestinian who are afraid to confront leadership but might like a final settlement that is less then the 'maximal' demand strategy which if even remotely possible is not happening for many decades or much more wasted time.
      . And p's. : while there is suffering in the West bank camps and the cowed people of gaza there is also huge pockets of wealth. Bustling cities, large pallazzo and big new housing. Gaza is worse because Hamas is almost heartless except for members. But there is plenty luxury there too. Not exactly the big open air prison bullsht being pushed by anti-israel activists. And West bank is nearly autonomous. Yes, Palestinian,bds are rightly bitter they have to be subject to Israel checkpoints but while irritating (not always humiliating) they have normal lives and normal functions. The neighboring Syrians are just the most egregious example of rank suffering of humans. Other spots around the globe are as bad. So is it fair that the Palestinians claim to be the original and most legitimate suffering refugees in the world, the u.n.? I hardly think so.
      . And another fyi: it's hard to live I the midst of this conflict and not develop a tough heart. Equally true of Arabs and Jews. Some say that nations like Finland, Sweden, Norway etc. are living in a bubble with the seething problems just boiling under the surface while you and your govt. Leaders look to blame Israel for almost all the problems they imagine are somehow linked to Jews or zionists. Think about that instead of posting idiotic hypothetic questions like @mg who asks'what the point of israel is'. What is the point of his brain continuing to function? Any or none whatsoever?

    • Think about it dumbass. Pretend for 10 seconds it's another people fighting to return to their ancient homeland. It makes perfect sense. Don't understand your difficulty on this topic except it's an outlet forv your unhinged rage.

    • Please don't tell us hophmi that you just discovered that mondoweiss commentary section is comprised of about a dozen ( ok, maybe a few dozen) hardcore zionist haters, jew haters and possibly just Israel haters who are here M Jħltech savvy nation which had laws which protect citizens of all religions and race from discrimination as well as Including all in the democratic process of voting.? Some of the=v(chgc fgravity=g regulars here try an act of outward "moderation,' you know, givin)a sg=upposedly unbiased historical account which naturally comes to conclude that zionists must have logically plotted the whole thing. The others are more or less honest with outright contempt or no recognition of Israeli'legitimacy in the first place. So, acting surprised at ANYTHING shocking said about Israel and the holocaust is just so redundant. After all, how many put downs of israel can anybody stand but these few mw devotees.J
      Hop: learn to pick your battles here and allow the dingy dozen to let their tended cicc

    • Please don't tell us hophmi that you just discovered that mondoweiss commentary section is comprised of about a dozen ( ok, maybe a few dozen) hardcore zionist haters, jew haters and possibly just Israel haters who are here M Jħltech savvy nation which had laws which protect citizens of all religions and race from discrimination as well as Including all in the democratic process of voting.? Some of the=v(chgc fgravity=g regulars here try an act of outward "moderation,' you know, givin)a sg=upposedly unbiased historical account which naturally comes to conclude that zionists must have logically plotted the whole thing. The others are more or less honest with outright contempt or no recognition of Israeli'legitimacy in the first place. So, acting surprised at ANYTHING shocking said about Israel and the holocaust is just so redundant. After all, how many put downs of israel can anybody stand but these few mw devotees.J
      Hop: learn to pick your battles here and allow the dingy dozen to let their tended cicc

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