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  • British pol is beaten by man in Israeli army t-shirt, and the chattering classes are silent
    • I'd say he meant Jews from Israel - seeing as there is no such thing as "Israeli" - we do the zionists a favor by using the word Israeli. There are no Israeli's. The Supreme Court in Israel has said this time and again.

      The fact that Krauss is even nibbling at this is hilarious to me.

    • The reaction to the rage you expect would be overwhelming and not very kind

  • Elizabeth Warren says killing Palestinian civilians is 'the last thing Israel wants'
    • *Shocked* - Ha.

      Too bad the guy in the crowd didn't have any comebacks ready. For instance: "liberal democracies" have things called constitutions - Israel has no constitution. Not to mention fixed borders. Israel also has no "right to self defense" as if Gaza were a foreign entity; as the occupying power, Israel has an obligation to protect Gazan civilians like it would civilians in Israel. The other thing he might have said is: Go fuck yourself.

  • 40 Holocaust survivors condemn 'massacre' of Palestinians, call for BDS against Israel
  • Hillary Clinton just lost the White House in Gaza -- same way she lost it in Iraq the last time
    • Not sure who wins - but Clinton is deeply flawed and enough people loathe her that there might be a left third party candidate - or, the libertarians on the right might go all in, which could draw a lot of left libertarians like myself.
      The other thing is: in 2008 it wasn't widely understood that Bill Clinton was a big part of the Crash, that the deregulation on this watch lead to this. Now, though he's still popular, in a prolonged campaign, his record is somewhat of a liability.

    • Who knows - do you see him being any different on anything of importance (Rand Paul)? I don't.

    • The people who saw him give the keynote at the 2004 Democratic Convention knew who Barack Obama was in 2006. He was the party darling, he didn't come out of nowhere. There's no such person right now, that is both backed by the party big wigs and can tack left of Hillary. If you're saying a truly insurgent candidate is going to run and beat Hillary, your prediction of her losing in the primary is almost certainly going to be wrong. Hillary loses, but in the general election

  • 'Lesson: The Jews will defend themselves even if it means killing children'
    • Thing is - it's not judaism that's having different views projected on it, it's jewishness. This isn't about judaism, it's about jewishness.

      Funny that the Moose Man and Phil can be in agreement when they're talking about two different things.

    • So, I'm totally with Lozowick's #1 response. The rest is nonsense, but he does a good child of slapping down Phil's selfish and childish "I don't want to be a part of a collective...." plea. The collective is what it is; you can either deal with things how they are, or you can project your own values on them. The former is rational, the latter is just wishful thinking, pure and simple.

  • Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney dodges Gaza question (and how long can he get away with that?)
    • He didn't evade anything - he's for Israel. He's for our "national security" blah blah blah.

      I think it's about time for folks with liberal leanings to wake up and realize identity politics is a sham, most of the time it's a cover for Imperialism. Assuming someone "knows what's right" because he's gay or supports "womens issues" is naive, and frankly, stupid, in light of thirty years of Identity Warriors revealing themselves to be war mongers and apologists for the Surveillance State. One might even conclude there's a quid pro quo with Power: We let "you" in, you support the broad imperial (read military industrial) agenda. Tell me I'm wrong.

  • After Gaza
  • My friends say I'm being too nice to Hamas
    • Probably worth noting that the Israeli's were perfectly happy to deal with Hamas when they thought they could be used as a bulwark against the PLO. Their charter wasn't an issue at then....

      Also, if the rockets from Gaza are really so awful and dangerous, why was Bibi pressing the airlines to restart travel to Israel? They told the airlines basically "no big deal" and then go on CNN and talk about running for their lives.

      I'd have also told "Don" that Gaza is not "territory next to Israel" it's territory occupied and controlled by Israel, which means Israel is responsible for protecting it's civilians, just like in Israel. So, the question is, what if people fired rockets inside Israel, in say, Tel Aviv - does the GOI level Tel Aviv to "stop the rockets"? Me thinks not. Your friends are whack, man.

  • Gaza war gives rise to new Jewish group targeting Jewish institutions that support occupation
    • Hey Benny - I hope you don't think I believe "Judaism is a Zionist Monolith" that's not at all what I think.

      Part of the reason I think groups like these are misguided is precisely because they indirectly blame Jews and really Jews alone for what Israel is. My frank opinion is that Jews in Israel and their Jewish supporters worldwide are being took, by Uncle Sam and the West generally. I'm sure you've seen this quote before:

      “There are people (the Arabs, Editor’s Note) who control spacious territories teeming with manifest and hidden resources. They dominate the intersections of world routes. Their lands were the cradles of human civilizations and religions. These people have one faith, one language, one history and the same aspirations. No natural barriers can isolate these people from one another … if, per chance, this nation were to be unified into one state, it would then take the fate of the world into its hands and would separate Europe from the rest of the world. Taking these considerations seriously, a foreign body should be planted in the heart of this nation to prevent the convergence of its wings in such a way that it could exhaust its powers in never-ending wars. It could also serve as a springboard for the West to gain its coveted objects.”

      British Prime Minster Campbell Bannerman 1907 - The Bannerman Report

      [Dan Bar-On & Sami Adwan, THE PRIME SHARED HISTORY PROJECT, in Educating Toward a Culture of Peace, pages 309–323, Information Age Publishing, 2006]

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      The Zionists were convenient. No one really cared about their beliefs or their "claim" to the land, they didn't get hoodwinked, they knew what life was going to be like for Israelis - it would be never ending war for as long as they could stand it. They were of course dooming the entire region to this kind of fate - along with wholesale economic exploitation and dictatorship, but the Imperial powers weren't really doing "The Jews" any favors, at least if you ask me.

      To me, the great failure of Zionism is that it didn't break the Jewish - Western Elite
      relationship. For centuries Jews were like the bailiffs for the ruling classes, doing a lot of the dirty work. Seems like not a lot has changed. So, if anything that rallying cry should be: We're getting taken for a ride by the same crowd that incited anti semitism when it suited them and were indifferent to the Holocaust.

    • I wasn't heated. And thanks Donald for not considering me anti-semitic. That means so much to me. I'm happy to have jewish folks start wholly ineffective, sectarian peace groups, I just don't see why it needs to be congratulated, publicized and so on. I'd be even happier if these same folks could just join existing Palestine solidarity groups and, you know, blend in, but that's probably too much to ask.

      Also, how many times do people need to be duped around here? A peace groups started by Jstreeters? That's "mainstream"? People with left tendencies never fail to be so incredibly naive. This might, might not be a brazen PR move, but no way am I giving it the benefit of the doubt.

    • A Jewish Voice For Peace (JVP)
      Jewish Unity for a Just Peace (JUNITY)
      Jews for a Free Palestine (JFFP)
      Jews for Justice for Palestinians
      Jews for Justice in the Middle East
      Jews for Peace in Palestine and Israel (JPPI)
      Jewish Peace Lobby
      Not in my Name
      JStreet, Jews Say No, If Not Now.....

      There's probably a shit ton more. How many groups like this need to be formed before folks say: Probably good intent, but wholly ineffective. And Donald, you're sort of a Tom for groups like this. You're always there to defend these groups, that are by definition sectarian given their titles.

      These groups make me think - and I know I'm not alone here - that it's as important for the only voices of criticism to be jewish as it is stopping the US/Israeli destruction of Palestine. And I think that's horseshit.

    • I'm comfortable with being an asshole, so here it goes: Yawn. Why in the world is this "news"? And once again, the blatant sectarianism (and frankly, self promotion) shown by jewish groups like this is just shocking. "Don't worry, the entire rest of the world, we got this."

  • Steven Salaita-- unremitting in criticism of Zionism and Gaza slaughter-- loses a job at University of Illinois
    • I bet a letter from a coalition of feminists would help this guy...........
      These tweets could have been sent from Blankfort or Atzmon, two guys banned here. Seems everyone is a little pregnant.

  • Video: If you voted for Hamas, Israel has a right to kill you, says president of NY Board of Rabbis
    • Hey Marnie - kiss my ass with the "Putin as Stalin" BS. That's utter BS - stop with this nonsense. If Putin can be tossed in with those others, where to put Barry O?

      Enough of the Putin bashing.

  • As night follows the day, deaths of 10 Israeli soldiers lead to deaths of 30 Palestinian civilians
    • Losing 53 troops in 22 days against a near defenseless captive population is not the mark of a top notch military. The Israeli brass know this.

  • ‘We have nothing left to lose. I would rather die with my family under the rubble of our house than have a humiliating truce’: Palestinian youth demand justice
    • Look at the smiles on the kids' faces in that picture - lives lived under embargo and bombing and yet they're smiling. Beautiful. The only smiling jewish israeli's I've seen pictures of the last few weeks have been the fascists on the hilltops cheering the bombs drop.

      Who would you rather stand with?

  • Hasbarapocalyse: Naftali Bennett says Hamas committing 'massive self-genocide'
    • When Wolf Fcking Blitzer seems ready to ask an Israeli politician "What the F is wrong with you, pal?" the worm has turned. Bennett is absolutely looney tunes

  • Obama humiliates Muslim guests at White House Ramadan event, endorses Israel’s Gaza assault and NSA surveillance
    • Isn't it funny how all the "progressive" non profit folks sound EXACTLY like the MBA's the supposedly counteract "it was a great networking opportunity (for me)..... the President told us to eat shit, but at least I got to smell his cologne while he said it." Ahh, to be invited to the Imperial Court. Really not a shred of integrity in that room.

  • And now a word from our Democratic Party standard bearer
  • Tel Avivians brave sirens for clothes in NYT story about 'Fashion during wartime'
  • To my fellow American Jews
    • Exactly. So why you busting my balls up thread?

    • We're talking about societal hierarchies Mooser. Jews as an identity group definitely have a hierarchy.

    • What if all the the BS about "standing with the oppressed" etc etc is all just that - a bunch of bullshit? A good smokescreen; witty PR?

      American Jews could become fervent anti-zionists tomorrow and it wouldn't matter - the hard core in the elite aren't going to change their stripes and they're who matters. Any identity group has it's hierarchy, and the hard core right wingers are at the top of the pyramid. And that's before you take into account the Imperial considerations of the US. This is a systemic issue; zionism, while a part, is not the only factor; zionism had to be empowered by external powers. People may argue that those powers were coerced or bribed or what have you, but the fact remains, the western Imperial powers all thought creating Israel was in their interests.

      If you clowns want to say there's "extra pressure on Jews" to renounce zionism or whatever, that's fine - I think that's absurd, this situation isn't the fault of everyday American Jews, and by "appealing" to them, that's the implication. I'll also say there's a certain arrogance in talking past the many non jewish readers here, but that's par for the course; I find it both interesting and sad that many of the jewish cats here, wanting so badly to "change" things go about it in the most stereotypical of ways: with a inter group conversation, pretending the other 99% of the world isn't there. Seems to me thats a long standing pattern in jewish history and it hasn't helped, to say the least.

    • Was it an appeal to "us all"? Was she calling to all "consciences and faiths"?

      Methinks not.

    • Can we have a lot less of this?

  • Israeli strike kills four Palestinian children playing soccer on Gaza beach
  • Rachel Maddow ignores the story in Israel/Palestine
  • Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state
    • I don't think Phil should be giving advice on the topic. That's all.
      The global community of justice?!? LOL.

      Are you twelve years old? Global community of justice. Ain't no justice, just us.

    • Put down those rockets kiddo's, Uncle Phil is reaching out to the American Jewish Community on your behalf....... Ha. Wow. What a crock. Weird how Phil is now playing that same "waiting game" so beloved by the liberal zionists "just wait and help us, we can transform.....don't shoot!" - puke.

  • Boston transit authority pulls 'apartheid' ads-- for 'demeaning' Israel
    • Annie - look into Keolis, they bought the MBTA commuter rail for a few years, not sure if they might be behind this. They're a french company

  • Chomsky and BDS
    • Who says they're really going to fight it?

    • This is actually a really illustrative example, if only discovered unintentionally by Jones.

      Weir, Blankfort and Chomsky are all Americans. Yet Only one of them is interested in discussing the crimes of the United States. What's more, Weir and Blankfort contend that if Israel and "The Lobby" weren't around, the US would be free to pursue it's "national interests" (which of course are never defined - you can ask yourself why) and it would pursue these interests in a peaceful way. They think this because there are so many other examples of the United States - since it's founding - acting in such a rational and benevolent way in it's foreign policy, especially toward non white countries.

      Chomsky is point is so basic and easy to understand it's not surprising that few here can comprehend it: If you are an American, you are a member of a society that deserves to be boycotted. Your country has killed - Murdered- or displaced tens of millions of people since the end of WW2. It's overthrown democratically elected governments the world over and most of the time it's replaces them with out and out fascists. Does anyone disagree with this? Can anyone here claim this to be untrue?

      So, why don't the Weirs, the Blankforts, the Walt's, the Weiss's talk about this - why wasn't there a "boycott businesses who benefit from the US occupation of Iraq" mass movement active on US campuses? I'll tell you why, because as hard as it is to criticize Israel here in the US, it's impossible to tell the truth about the United States - it's government and society without being pilloried by all sides, like Noam Chomsky has been for fifty years.

      "If Americans only knew" is bullshit propaganda. It assumes that if Americans did know, they would do something about it, because Americans are good and decent people. 'Mericuh! Is there ANY evidence for this being true? And what does it say about Americans that they could not know so much for so long - all the wars, all the coups, all the killing; in fact each time the United States is shown to be murdering and torturing or what have you, the same pathetic shit is thrown out there by "decent minded Americans" like Weir and Walt: "This not us, we as Americans are inherently against such behavior, our government is captured by dark forces etc etc" This is just the radical opposite of serious. I just got done reading Nick Turse's "Kill Anything that Moves" and one of the take away lines from it is: My Lai wasn't an aberration, it was an operation. The same can and should be said about US policy in the ME and in I/P in particular. Chomsky is comfortable saying these things, the others clearly aren't, they have to make themselves and their prospective partners feel better. Or as Jones says, it isn't practical.

      So, to me, on the point of "is it hypocritical for Americans to boycott Israel given the US's record" the answer is a resounding yes.
      On the question of divestment, Chomsky supports it - again, for a simple reason: it's directed (in the case of American citizens and groups) internally, to American corporations. It's Americans themselves "boycotting" American corporations.

      The last point I'll make is probably the most important - the failure of most BDS folks and especially the folks at Mondoweiss to see beyond themselves is what is going to really do them in. Right now their focus is on Presbyterians, EU councils and rock stars playing Israel when the real threat is marching toward Baghdad. And when they get to Jordan, and when the black flags can be seen through Israeli binoculars, that's the end of Palestine forever - because everyone will respect the right of Israel to defend itself (and Jordan) against the Jihadi's and no one will be there to see what happens on the ground. Some astute folks will know that ISIS is the creation of the US and Prince Bandar, but it won't matter. The goal has always been to "Arabize" the Palestinians, and there's no better tool for that than ISIS style pan-arabism. Israel dreams of the caliphate.

    • "This might not work as well as you think" is not "I am opposed to you."
      The rank immaturity and yes, cultishness displayed in this piece and in the comments is really off-putting. The guy doesn't agree with the platform whole-hog, Big Friggin Deal. Grow the F up, seriously. Learn to take some criticism without calling into question the life and work of people, especially Noam Fucking Chomsky. Next we'll probably have a piece about his work on behalf of the "Un-people" all his life was just a ruse to gain sympathy and the benefit of the doubt for himself and by extension his zionism.

  • 'Survival and well-being of the Jewish state' is a national security interest of U.S., Indyk says
    • You are not part of a "we" that was welcomed here, Phil. You're a born American. And you still seem incapable of understanding: No one was or is "welcomed" by the American people; the "American system" allows for economic integration, and to the extent an immigrant group proves beneficial to the system, they are given social privileges, like advocating on behalf of their group for example. But advocating alone is one thing, it's entirely another to claim a particular group has been "welcomed" or is "liked" etc etc. I mean, right wing Cuban Americans have a choke hold on US policy to Cuba, but they don't say that because they have influence at elite levels, the American people are on their side or aren't anti-hispanic or racist. They don't try and convince themselves that the whole or most of the country is on their side. It'd be naive and dangerous to do so.

  • Visit to Hebron (or How can I explain this living hell to a nice liberal Jew in Brookline?)
  • Liberal Zionists' denial of Israeli racism heightens danger to 'everyone living in this land' -- Blumenthal
  • Chomsky supports portions of BDS agenda, but faults others, citing realism and int'l consensus
  • Can a neocon change his spots (and come back as a liberal interventionist for Hillary Clinton)?
    • "I do not believe it is naive to believe that if he were to somehow become president, he would be more likely than Hillary Clinton to push back against the entrenched special interests like Wall Street, the neocons, the defense contractors, etc."

      I do. I think it's incredibly naive. I think Alex Cockburn had him pegged the best, he called him the "brass-lunged armchair bomber of Vermont" - you should look into his record. The guy is the Defense Dept's point man. Just shameful the way "liberals" convince themselves of the good intentions of politicians they "like."

      link to

    • It's going to be hilarious to read the "I'm for Hillary" posts and comments, that are sure to come, a few months from now. And if there's a "Enlist Bernie" post, I'll just laugh and then vomit. Oh, "liberals" how naive thou art......

    • "I support the bombing of Libya."

      - Phil Weiss.

      And I'd bet you said the same about the bombing of Yugoslavia by the Clinton regime.

      Phil the neocon.

  • What's your politically-correct World Cup bracket?
    • If Michael Bradley had made the trip to Brazil, the US might actually have had a chance to advance past the first knockout round.

  • 'Forward' editor says Presbyterian vote was anti-Semitic
    • The anti-semitism accusation, in my opinion, is really just projection, and says much more about how the accuser views the gentiles than the other way around.

  • The Banality of Religion: 'Prayer summit' at the Vatican fails to inspire
    • I haven't commented in a while, but this from Joe is just too perfect. He makes my point - and the point of so many others here - perfectly.

      I've been Eliss'd for a long while now. Hey, Phil, can we change it up here? I mean, I can write some self congratulating pseudo intellectual essays if you really feel it's necessary for the site - let's give another hack a try!!

  • A British Jew warns US Jewish orgs to heed rapidly-shifting world opinion
    • Well, I've give the writer this: it's not often the totally full of shit come clean, if only anonymously. Funny thing is, the writer doesn't even realize he's in the same paranoia cycle as the guy's who founded Israel. They're all trying to do their damndest for the tribe, just in different ways. Progress? I think not.

  • Liberal Zionists are the new front line against BDS
  • Democrats have no problem with Israeli envoy addressing GOP group opposed to Obama
    • Warren is a joke. She's allowed to say nice things about middling white folks from flyover country, but that's as far as it goes. You should have seen her foreign policy section on her website while she was running. Hawk.ish.

  • Ululating at Vassar: the Israel/Palestine conflict comes to America
    • Yeah, we're in a dangerous place, Schneiderman - these infantile brats you're schooling are going to be in charge of important institutions one day; I can't even fathom saying something like "you're disempowering us" - what the fuck does that even mean? Is that just post-modern lib arts school nonsense, or do people really talk like that now?
      You empower yourself. Hopefully with facts. If the facts are against you, yeah, you're "disempowered." Is it just me, or do the people debating this issue talk a whole hell of a lot about themselves and about their "feelings"? F your feelings, whoever you are.

      Shocking that Phil left feeling bad for Trip leaders - shocking. (Not really). And while Phil is feeling bad for them, maybe he should think about all the times jewish folks have had careers ended, pulled funding, manipulated schools, business and governments, called anyone and everyone not jewish an antisemite and so on; do you know how many Chomsky lectures I've been to where jewish cats have shouted him down, not letting him continue? You think he said "you're disempowering me?" Seems to me, the SJP crowd is taking a page out of the traditional jewish playbook: advocate for your position tirelessly, don't worry about tact, and take no prisoners. Not so much fun, is it Phil?

  • Michael Ratner's journey away from Zionism
    • I think you could say they've been synthesized, but have kept their original contradictions. Actually, the more I think about it, I'd say american imperialism and zionism were the two "antitheses" and neoconservatism is the synthesis. I havent smoked any weed yet today, so I might be confusing things.

    • Phil - I don't get why it's so hard for you to understand: it's not an either/or scenario between "Imperial Ambition" and "Neoconservative hubris" - it's dialectic.

      Also, you're really in no position to challenge Ratner - he evolved long before you did, and, let's put it this way - he'd have tossed out his sodastream maker without a second thought, Rabbi and mom be damned.

  • Dateline, Ukraine: How the State Department 'midwives' democracy
    • These idiots from the Obama administration are totally greasing the skids for a military dictatorship in the US - the Generals have to be going bezerk right now; we're a wrong move away from DefCon 1, all because of complete ineptitude - remember when Barry was sold as the more "competent manager of Empire"? Haha.

      Just when you thought the republican party was dead too. The "nationalist" blowback from this is going to be severe, "Mericuh looks weak!"; far right wing president here we come. With an american Gen. Sissi to follow.

  • Florida Jewish leader quits a Hillel board to protest bar on free speech
  • Capitalism and its contradictions: From Arizona to Florida to #UCLAdivest
  • Netanyahu mentions 'BDS' 18 times in denouncing movement and its 'gullible fellow travelers'
  • Thought experiment. Dateline Ukraine
    • Hophmi doesnt seem to mind the US supported neo-nazi's. Hmm. Well neither does Vickie Nuland apparently, she was caught handing out cookies to Svoboda thugs. I won't say anymore because we aren't allowed to discuss joint zionist - fascist projects here. Although there'd be plenty to talk about!!

  • Memo to Ramaz: UN high school students heard Khalidi speak, and survived
  • Revealed: Right-wing group StandWithUs' strategy to combat Israel Apartheid Week
  • 'NYT' highlights AIPAC's first failure in 30 years, as de Blasio and Hillary jump on Iran bandwagon
  • 'I'll believe a corporation is a person the day it gets a colonoscopy'
    • Hey chief, how many times does capitalism get to fail? literally hundreds i suppose.
      socialism? just gets the one go, right?

      I hate calling the soviet system socialism, but the point remains - capitalism has failed time and again, and yet it's socialism that has to "prove" itself. Sort of a joke if you ask me.

  • Secrecy of de Blasio's AIPAC conclave fuels anti-Semitic tropes -- Sullivan
    • The story here isn't de Blasio and it isn't Sullivan - it's that there have been de Blasio's and Sullivans produced, at some point or another, in every country in Europe for the last 300-400 years. The pandering elite and the voice of the "rest of us." I should note that historically, the more obscene the pandering, the more obscene the "rest of us" have gotten. In other words, this movie has played in many a theater, and it ends shittily every time. Scary scary

  • The self-hating goy
  • Reform Jews embrace Israeli 'pluralism' -- sans Palestinians -- to energize the young
  • 'NYT' and Wash Post won't tell us why Dems are hurting Obama on Iran deal
    • I should have said "was very well respected" with regard to Israel Shahak.

    • Rosenberg was first exposed, in my opinion in an interview he did on I think Al Jazeera english, with Blumenthal on the panel with him, he came off as a real hard core tribalist.

      Although it's a tough one, this. I mean, Blumenthal gets all over Atzmon for "blaming the situation in I/P on judaism itself" when Israel Shahak did the same 20 years ago and he's very well respected. So it seems like there's different standards for everyone, in other words - if you don't like them, they're anti semitic, if you do like them and they say the same thing as the "anti-semites" they're just "controversial" or some such

  • Like the status quo? Ever wanted to stand on the front line against human rights? Apply here!
  • America has changed in the face of Zionism's frozen grimace
    • "They increasingly wonder at their isolation and grow angry.
      It happened that way because Zionism – a product of continental anti-Semitism – failed to adapt."

      Israel Shahak describes zionism as a conservative counter-revolution from within the jewish community, a move to "re-close" the newly open society for Jews in Europe that was created from the outside, by the new nation states and their constitutions and so on. He views Zionism as a direct extension of orthodox "classical" judaism - "trying to put the band back together" as it were. In other words, it didn't fail to adapt - it flat couldn't. The grimace has been frozen since Maimonides - probably even before that.

  • Netanyahu's 'gift' to Pope: book on Catholic church's persecution of Jews
  • United States takes a 'new path' forward in the Middle East!
  • In Avnery's 'Battle of the Titans,' will anyone bet that the dog wags the tail?
    • "do you really think “Imperial Interests, American Exceptionalism, hardened cold war viewpoints” require the denial of basic rights to the Palestinians?"

      No, I don't. But then I'm not a US planner. I also don't see why it was in the American "interest" to support apartheid SA long after the rest of the world sanctioned it, but the US did. Blacks in SA, Palestinians in Palestine, the East Timorese, or really any indigenous people anywhere, it's pretty clear the US does not support basic rights for them.

      "Do JP Morgan, Lockheed-Martin, or even Exxon have any real reason to oppose a two-state settlement or even a single democratic state? "

      Not that I know of, but they do have an interest in the general "western" hegemony over the region, and also in maintaining the system currently in place - and right now that system is a mixture of feudalism (gulf monarchies), fascism (Egypt and Saddam's Iraq) and ethnocracy (Israel) all fighting against the forces of progress (the citizens of the region). So, JP Morgan might not care about giving Palestinians a state, but if that means Saudi Arabians are going to get ideas, better to let the Palestinians rot.

      And I guess that answers your last question regarding a just peace and how that *would* be better for the US and so on. If I'm a douchebag in the state dept (which means I passed through all the filters) I'm terrified of a "settlement" in that region (1) because that could lead to greater inter-region commerce, planning done outside the auspices of the US (2) the US would *lose* a valuable pretext to intervene in the region, the most strategically important region in the world. Can't sell weapons if peace breaks out.

    • I wish someone would actually accurately describes Chomsky's view on the subject - he doesn't simply state that Israel is a pawn, and he doesn't deny all of what Mearsheimer and Walt state. It's not a black vs white situation.

      He agrees there's a powerful Israel Lobby, he just happens to think, correctly in my opinion, that more often than not, US policy isn't too far off from where "the lobby" is, and so the overall effect isn't as great as Walt and Mearsheimer claim. I mean, reading their book, you would think that the United States was some sort of benevolent power, following it's rational self interest before "the lobby" came along - Chomsky makes clear that the US is perfectly capable of acting monstrously without the help of any outside forces, as evidenced by its conduct throughout the rest of the world.

      I think Chomsky views it dialectically, as a working combination of Imperial Interests, American Exceptionalism, hardened cold war viewpoints and yes, the Israel Lobby.

  • U.S. and Israel are 'paranoid democracies, craving surveillance
    • I'd refer you to the statements of almost all the "founders" concerning "The Indians" or "The Savages" "Heathens" and so on. They generally all agreed that "we gotta kill em first, before they get us!" was best practice. That's not paranoid? Racist? Seems to me, it's the same criminal as victim ideology found in other expansionary blood and soil movements

  • Echoing Netanyahu, Ted Cruz slams Kerry and calls on Iran to recognize Israel as 'Jewish state'
    • Israel doesn't even recognize the "Israeli state" - to them, there's no such thing as an "Israeli" nationality. Convenient.

      Although I'm sure there are a lot on the "anti-zionist" jewish left in the "diaspora" that would hate to see an Israeli nationality established - it would mean an end to their "necessary" involvement........

  • 'Bloomberg marched with a fascist'
    • Are you trying to deny that the US has been a strong proponent of what we would call "fascists" in other countries? Pinochet, Peron, Suharto, the Iraqi Baath Party, the Egyptian regime for the past forty years, chiang kai shek - and that's not even mentioning the US sponsorship of former fascists in Germany and Japan post WWII. I could go on.....

      The fact of the matter is, Israel is well within the boundaries of what the US political establishment (really the military/political establishment) will accept - if that fact doesn't settle well with you, I understand, but it's nevertheless true.

    • This is one of those posts where I have to ask: Is your head, ALL the way up your ass, Phil?

      Bill Clinton called Suharto "our kind of guy" the mid 90's!
      US Pols are buddy buddy with the House of Saud, Sultans and Emirs in the most backward of countries and outright fascists in South America, Asian and Eastern Europe. Shit, the US did more for promoting fascism after WWII than anyone else, cuz at the end of the day, fascists dig on private property. Wake up, bro.

  • 'Weak and retreating' US policy on Iran is 'bad for the Jews' -- Foxman
    • So a country that has invaded, occupied and destroyed two whole countries, and operates clandestinely - killing all sorts of people - in many others is weak. A greasy tub of lard who's never put on a uniform in his life is, what - strong?

      Foxman is the guy who starts the bar fight by throwing a beer, then hides behind his friends. What a wretched person.

  • Natalie Portman and Woody Allen see anti-Semitism as pervasive
  • 'Muslims, you want to kill 100 percent of the Jews' -- the wit 'n wisdom of Sheldon Adelson
    • You'd normally hear this sort of frank explanation from a left winger:

      "Like the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because in the Second World War the US cut off the flow of oil to Japan to punish them for taking over China."

      No nationalist nonsense clouding his assessment of that, eh? His timeline is F'd of course, but still.....

  • Adelson says Obama should fire 'atomic weapon' at Iran, not negotiate
    • What if the collective answer from the rest of us on the question posed by the title of their talk is: Who Cares? That seems to be a big takeaway from the holocuast - it wasn't that Europeans all became vicious antisemites, it's that they more or less shrugged their shoulders with a collective "ehh" - shit like this from the crowd gathered in the video makes getting to "ehh" alot easier. I say this in the most friendly manner.

  • MJ Rosenberg owes Ali Abunimah an apology for false accusations of anti-Semitism
    • "Down goes Frazier, Down Goes Frazier!!"

      the oppressed hate their oppressors for what their oppressors do, not who they are. it's pretty friggin' simple.

      Samel For The Win.

  • What Comes Next: If the goal is to change U.S. policy, American Jewish opinion can't be ignored
    • I gotta say, for a jewish guy to state, seemingly without any sense of history, that American Jews - 2% of the population- has a veto, and is right to have a veto, over this area of US foreign policy is just utterly ridiculous. Does Ol Norm really want to pit US Jews against the rest of us? Has that ever worked out well? Idiotic. Jewish folks have power and influence as Jewish folks to the extent the rest of us allow it to happen, and again, as history as shown things change. Not a good look from Norm.

      Also, I've really had enough of the "whatever jewish folks claim to be, they are" bullshit. Hard to convince me that as a whole there's really a widespread dedication to peace and justice when that same community, as a whole, supports a decidedly unjust regime that they are de facto citizens of. Hard to convince me of that. I think a fair reading of those polls is: "US Jews support liberalism, peace and justice in places where they are an extreme minority." In other words, they're liberal to the extent they have to be. Congratulations. Enough of the thinly veiled supremacism.

  • And now for something completely different
  • Jews can't be 'a force for good' without Israel, says Jewish Federations report
    • " “The world will be liberated by our freedom, enriched by our wealth, magnified by our greatness. And whatever we attempt there for our own benefit will redound mightily and beneficially to the good of all humanity.”

      In this passage, Herzl articulated the essential Zionist message that still holds true"......

      We're better than you. That's the message.

  • Hearing 'blatant racism' in Israel caused young J Street attendee to question Zionism
  • NYT decontextualizes (ethnically-cleansed) Jaffa in hipster fashion piece
    • "Such images, disturbing in themselves, are a particular problem for fashion because of its entanglement with the Nazis during the Second World War. Germany did not conquer France to get its hands on Fashion Central, but it was a not insignificant extra. Fashion had economic weight: one exported couture dress, it is claimed, would pay for a ton of imported coal, and a litre of exported perfume brought in the financial equivalent of two tons of imported fuel oil. But equally important was its prestige: it was a power in its own right. "Any power... is destined to fall before fashion," Mussolini remarked in 1930. "If fashion says skirts are short, you will not succeed in lengthening them, even with the guillotine." The Nazis wanted Berlin to displace Paris as the capital of style, and set about it with typical tact and subtlety, looting the industry's Paris archives."

      link to

  • When myths about Jews collide with Jewish reality
    • Hannah arendt writes the same thing about 19th Europe in origins of totalitarianism. "When the racism of myth meets the racism of experience"

      Scary shit. Best thing Ellis has written here.

  • Hillel director slams Birthright for refusing students' requests to meet Palestinians and see checkpoints
    • Hey there, Mr Palestinian man, I'm from Columbus Ohio, never heard of it? Oh, well I'm on my "Birthright" trip - yea, that's right, this land, and yours belongs to me - I'm wondering if you'd like to "dialogue" with me about how "we" can better share this land, that belongs to me, but that you currently reside in, so I can feel better about myself when I gaze into my navel back in Columbus Ohio. Can you tell me a little about yourself? Sorry for sounding like I'm on a anthropological study in the Amazon River Basin, do you know what anthropology even is, you crazy heathen you!?!

      F this Lady

  • Netanyahu previously used family story of anti-Semitic attack to justify expelling African asylum seekers from Israel
    • And now his great grandchildren yell "kushi" and beat black people senseless, they yell "missionary" and beat christian clergy senseless and on and on it goes......congratulations

  • J Street's achievements
    • Ha - I guess so. Haven't seen much here lately that is of events are sort of throwing a big monkey wrench into the MW collective wisdom and so it's not been very relevant recently...Hope you're well, Keith.

    • "The communal lobby worked. It stopped the conversation in the U.S. long enough for the settlements to be entrenched, and Israel is now an intolerant rightwing society with a cultural politics out of the Jim Crow south."


      Lobby or no Lobby, it was always going to be that way, Phil.

  • 'It is Zionist to think that American Jews have any connection to Israel'
  • Putin’s exceptionalism and our own
    • Is this is a joke? Putins remaking Russia's Imperial Mentality? How about he's trying to get the US military and it's henchmen out of his backyard? Ever seen a map of US bases and missile installations? They literally surround Russia. This article is sort of a joke.

      Why ascribe ulterior motives to a guy who's trying to not have another hot war started in his backyard - with millions of refugees flooding into the Caucuses and eventually his country? Is it really that hard to understand why Russia doesn't want war in Syria. And what about the rest of the world? Are there dark forces behind their objections to Washington's plans as well? Seems to me, Putin is smack dab in the middle of the international consensus.

      And you want to talk about regressive churches? HA! The fact that an American can even muster this statement about another country's religious institutions is itself laughable. Again, a big joke.

      A lot of folks are sure to make a big deal about the "anti gay" laws in Russia etc etc. and how it shows just how backward Russian society is and so on. I would encourage those folks to take a look at the Abu Gharib photos and the descriptions of Bradley Mannings confinement and torture at the hands of the US gov't and then tell me if Americans have a right to lecture others on their treatment (whether official or unofficial) of gay people or of having some enlightened views on sexuality. You don't force men to have mock sex with each other if you don't think there's anything wrong with men having sex with each other.

      The Cold War is over, Ellis - throw your template out, brother

  • Chomsky: Israel and US enjoying the spectacle as Syria descends into suicide
    • "I don’t think he misses the mark in describing the regime or the origins of the conflict"

      I do. It wasn't a "popular and democratic" protest movement - that's simply absurd, and everyone knows it. Also, almost from the beginning, Assad was offering reforms, the Arab League and the UN reports from early on both say so, it was the "protesters" that didn't want to negotiate. This was an outside intervention from jump. Chomsky is wrong, and so are you Hostage. For every Syrian citizen out in the street in the early days wanting reform, there were ten foreigners and their syrian collaborationists that wanted a full fledged coup. It was as plain as day, and again, everybody knows it.

      I'm not bashing Noam, most of the time I agree with - except when he condescendingly mocks athletics and sport in general, a weird thing coming from a so called champion of the working masses, who fucking love sport- but there are times when his western bias shows through and this is an example.

    • Walid - hey I'm no Assad supporter, believe me. I'm simply objecting to Chomsky's characterization - I've read him and heard him speak enough to pick up on these subtleties; when he talks about western governments' crimes and aggressions he often says they "act" like savages, or brutes or what have you. Middle Eastern, South American and Asian dictators "are" just brutal and so on. There's a difference.

    • Oleg the friendly neighborhood fascist,

      That's actually pretty light as far as Civil Wars go - the American Civil War was over 500k, it took longer than two years, but that's when you literally stopped fighting all together for months a year. With modern weapons, the American Civil War would have killed millions and millions. Does that disqualify the US from the "somewhat normal secular society" club? I think not.

      If Christian Dominionist Fascists ever tried to overthrow the US government and install a RJ Rushdooney-esque theocracy, you can bet your bottom dollar a whole lot more than a 100k would be killed.

      As for "hell and murder" - add the millions of refugees Israel has created, all the disappearings and all the peoples of the region that have had to live under autocrats because the US and Israel find the autocrats "useful." I can certainly continue - you've read the "Transfer Agreement" right Oleg? Clown.

    • When he describes Syria's government as the "brutal, horrifying assad regime" I get a little pissed off at my man Noam - the war in Iraq sent over a million people into Syria and the border regions, and it's part of the reason for the civil war there, in other words, this was started by "us" and therefore, to call the guy a brutal, horrifying dictator is a bit extreme, they're literally fighting for the country's survival as a somewhat normal secular society. And for this to come from a guy who still calls himself a cultural zionist even after all the hell and murder all forms of zionism have wrought, my message to Noam is this: Piss Off.

  • Broad public opposition to Syrian strike includes US soldiers on social media
  • By caving on Syria, Obama opens yet another Pandora’s Box of American adventurism
  • Mainstream press openly addresses Israel lobby's role in US policy re Syria
  • Shalev: Lobby will stand up for Israel's 'national interest' in Syria, never mind 'Walt and Mearsheimer-style attacks'
  • Glad tidings from NY: Power gets wise counsel from her hero Wiesel
  • Do's and don'ts for progressives discussing Syria
    • Happy to see the collective MW community ripped this article to shreds; so many mistakes, incorrect assumptions, and of course, the extreme authoritarian streak present throughout.

      Kids touch hot stoves BECAUSE they're told not to - it's about time "pwogwessives" stopped making "what to do" and "how to do it" lists, especially when they're as poorly informed as this author.

  • Egyptians rally in DC for General Sisi, rattling off conspiracy theories recycled from Islamophobes
  • 'US had as much a hand in Egypt as in Chile' -- leftwing perspectives on the massacre
  • In Egypt, fascist incitement
  • US aid to Egypt is not for Egypt but Israel, JJ Goldberg explains
    • The MW comment sections - where Oil and (now) Strategic Waterways aren't important in world politics.


      The Suez is an interesting case, because it's the waterway the US Fifth fleet takes to get to it's port in Bahrain - almost the entire fifth fleet goes through every year, I'm sure the Panama Canal has nothing to do with US/Panamanian relations either, you guys are funny. Notice I didn't say Israel wasn't a factor, just that it isn't the only one.

    • Hostage - if you want to reply to me, reply - I don't always notice these down the thread original posts that reply to me, I don't want you to think I'm avoiding you.

      As for: Dan please explain how you can describe the actions of General Sisi as being “compliant” with the publicly stated positions on the use of force coming from Obama or McCain and Graham during their recent visit? Both sides of the aisle said that a political solution was necessary and that the status quo was unacceptable. Now we have this display of unnecessary violence against demonstrators. It’s pretty obvious that US influence over the situation has almost completely waned, and that Sisi has way too many US-supplied toys at his disposal already.

      I've read too many histories of the US OK'ing just these types of atrocities (the East Timor example is especially comparable, as they waited for the US diplomats to end their trip to Indonesia before starting the massacres, they waited because they were told to wait by the US -and were given full approval) to think the US gov't's sensibilities are somehow offended by the egyptian military's actions.

      It's waaaaay to early to tell if Sisi and Co. really are being compliant, but there's no reason to think they aren't, and again, the US time and again has shown despots around the world that if you do your part within the US dominated system, and keep your country wide open to western capital, you can do what you like to your population. You're right, Morsi didn't even hint at a nationalization plan, but where the MB has been a "necessary" partner for the US, the Egyptian military is a wholly owned subsidiary of washington, why wouldn't the US want it's "guys" in charge?

      I don't deny Israel is a big consideration here, but it's not the only one - I mention the canal because it's so obvious.

      And once again for everyone - the reason Egypt got American aid wasn't totally because of the peace treaty with Israel, it was that they showed themselves to be good fighters, a worthy ally. Folks want to overlook that fact with Israel as well, as if the US should have no interest in partnering with states that kick the crap out of their adversaries in less than a week.

    • Nothing to do with the US wanting the Suez in compliant hands, nope. The US doesn't care about it's system of world trade or the Suez's role as "gateway to India" as it's been referred to for centuries, it's just about Israel.

  • Why the coup determination is now irrelevant to the question of US aid to Egypt
    • Shegetz and Hostage are probably right, I mean you can hardly go a day without a western backed dictator being brought before a war crimes tribunal to be punished, and we all know how much Americans love international law and convention. I can't believe I've wasted this much time on this nonsense.

    • Shegetz apparently doesn't "getz" my meaning of Dreyfussard. The Dreyfussards messed up when they didn't take their story and their side "to the streets" where the real battle over the case was taking place, they remained in elite circles, in courthouses and so on - the ones "in the streets" were the anti-dreyfussards and the antisemites. The family had no use for the mob and it's vulgarities, and so they distanced themselves from it "we are right and we have the law and connections on our side" was more or less what the family thought, at a time when European nation states were making clear their regard for the "law" and convention with their new imperialist ventures around the world. They clung to the law at precisely the time nations and societies decided they had no use for it.

      And it's pretty much the same here.

    • Not to be a jerk - but this is sort of likes those alternet or salon articles that read something like "five things the democrats can do to fight wall street's excess" to which the response, invariably, is "No shit!

      Having the Suez Canal in the hands of a compliant gov't is far more important to the US gov't than protecting human rights is, and I'm pretty sure that's actually the US's official position, regardless of whatever laws may be in place. There's a sort of Dreyfussardian element to Hostage's obsession with "the law," and in my opinion a failure to understand what's really going on here.

  • What are Jews to do with our newfound imperial/colonial identity?
    • Interesting that Ellis asks his question while discussing white south african jews, folks who went to South Africa in the service of Empire.
      This idea that being a part of the imperial court is a "new" development in jewish history is absurd and in my opinion, dangerous. Ellis needs a history lesson.

  • Exclusive: Al Jazeera English’s online US broadcast to end with the launch of Al Jazeera America
  • Maureen Dowd joins Joyce Carol Oates as expert on gender relations of Arabs
    • The "elegant Huma Abedin"? haha. She's a repugnant careerist who married a guy who loathes the people she comes from, elegant is not a word I would use to describe that lady

  • 'Nation' says rightwingers paint FDR as anti-Semite so as to manipulate US support of Israel
    • "FDR's Jewish Problem: How did a president beloved by Jews come to be regarded as an anti-Semite who refused to save them from the Nazis?"

      Who cares? Seriously, who gives a shit? Everybody's an antisemite and only 6 million people died in WWII according to clowns like Crowne, neither view really engenders a lot of good will in others, same with attacking FDR, not a good look.

  • I lose it at the post office
  • Liberal MSNBC host says Snowden thinks he's in a Spielberg movie and Greenwald is a 'jerk'
    • she's a hack - nothing new here, but I have to say, one thing is of interest to me: it's that of the four "big names" surrounding the big whistle blowing stories (manning, assange, snowden and greenwald) two are gay men. where are the gay rights groups championing bradley manning and glenn greenwald? these guys are walking testaments to moral courage and selflessness - the real definition of manhood in my opinion - and the organized gay community seems to want nothing to do with them; sort of makes plain the moral wasteland that is identity politics. Greenwald wrote about this sort of hypocrisy regarding the SF gay pride parades black listing of all mentions of manning, but I think it should be pointed out here as well.

  • Goddamn the neoconservatives
    • It's looking more and more like "neoconservatism" was really just the vessel - just the host; it's not that neoconservatism is dead, it's that it's no longer needed, and it should be said, with it's mission accomplished. The fact that their rhetoric is now in bad taste only speaks towards the movements adoption into the mainstream, we've got a much more brutal policy wrapped in "liberal" language; the neocons were needed to publicly declare the Imperialist era - they did, and now they can move on to other tasks, and we should all be terrified about their next iteration. Phil's head is in the clouds.

  • Three questions for liberals and progressives who support the Egyptian coup
    • I would say it's real easy for "pwogwessives" to support a military coup in Egypt, we've had over a decade of intense military worship here in the US, and now with Barry running the show, the military has been lionized even more - its now "understood" that it's only Barry and the US Military among the Establishment that is opposed to attacking Iran. The military leaders are the "sober, serious" "statesmen" - what we need to fear is the radical christian zionists and the neocons, it's almost the same story.

      Lots of folks have convinced themselves the US military is anti war, if you can believe that, what won't you believe?

      I should say, we should look at this in context - pwogwessives cheering on a coup only a couple of months after "liberal" Boston cheered on the Army patrolling its streets - in many respects the military is the last national institution with any public support, and that's extremely dangerous.

  • Kissinger complained of 'Jewish lobby' but yielded to Israeli ambassador's threat of 'mutiny' by American Jews and press during '73 war
    • Who cares? That little passage about Cambodia tells it all: the Empire needs help with it's "plans" for Cambodia - namely, bombing the F out of it- is having some trouble, and calls on the one group who derives ALL their "power" from The State, who in turn get the Empires business done. Yep, that group is "the lobby" - but who cares, the much more pressing fact is that there exists such an authoritarian power that can carry out all sorts of brutalities at will, with no semblance of democracy. The lobby is doing nothing more than holding chocolate cake in front of an over eater; do something about the eating disorder, the lobby has no power.

      Phil, you gotta stop writing your real time version of the first 150 pages of "the origins of totalitarianism" brother man

  • Shrewdly positioned as Syrian interventionist, Samantha Power has neocon backing
    • yeah cool Rusty - "Im not opposed to war, I'm opposed to dumb wars" right?

      Barry gets the advice he wants, people should start their search for the truth from there.

    • but look, even your boy Dreyfuss doesn't "reject" on principle US intervention, just that "we" don't fully comprehend what "we're" doing etc etc. What a bunch of BS.
      All Dreyfuss is saying is, "we" aren't "thorough" enough (read: there aren't enough of him at the top levels of planning) to carry these aggressions out.

      there's very, very little difference here. and i should say again, this is just another excercise in "who's a better nationalist" - the "non interventionists" vs "the interventionists", all chasing after that undefined, sham, "national interest."

  • US had final say in Egyptian coup
    • What i find interesting is the sign in background of the photo above, in english, that says "obama stop supporting the MB's (muslim brotherhood's) fascist regime."

      when i see gene sharps tactics being used to decry "fascism" i get nervous.....

  • Kagan went hunting, and assimilating
    • This is the worst thing you've written in a real long time Phil. Mearsheimer wouldn't call you "assimilated" he'd call you what you are - A honkey who happens to be Jewish, you were born here, shortbus; you're a white american male, i know that messes up your alt cosmic vibe schtick, but you're a white american male - do you even speak another language? even as naval gazing goes, this was awful

  • The MSM tries to distinguish between Manning and Snowden. Don't let them
    • Oh, we only entered the moral swamp ten years ago? Ever heard of COINTELPRO?
      Or the internment of Americans during WWII? People call it "McCarthyism" but all that was started by the liberals in Congress, he jumped in late and was of course more bellicose, but it was no doubt a "liberal" witch-hunt to start.

      This idea that the US has only recently entered the swamp is OUTRAGEOUS, and frankly, can really only exist in the minds of hyper authoritarians or blissfully ignorant well borns.

  • The education of Samantha Power
    • yeah, yeah, sure Phil - she "knows" whats right but will do the opposite because of "the lobby"

      No mention of course that Phil agreed with Power when it came to the illegal war in Libya. But, I guess, you can be a "humanitarian interventionist" if you can prove "the lobby" doesn't have it's hooks in you......

  • Kerry tells the lobby: I'm your boy, but you're radicalizing the world
    • "Imagine that-- a civil rights movement, says Kerry, is against Israel's "interests" and also American "interests" in the Middle East."


      No shit bro. Are you really this naive or is it an act? But mommy, they told me "we" stand for democracy! What a joke. Yes Phil, the US gov't is against real democracy in the ME and the rest of the world, the US included - has been since before you and I were born.....

  • Obama told friends he reneged on progressive promises out of fear of assassination -- former CIA analyst
    • I read the Douglass book and it's brilliant.

      Couple of things though: MLK got killed when he went outside the "liberal" consensus, organizing poor people, blue collar people etc - he was also thinking of running for political office, way to the left of the Dem's. You can bash away on the Right Wing, but when you disturb the "liberals", thats when bad things happen to you.
      We won't even mention the black panthers

      It's the same with Kennedy (the same Kennedy who wrote to his father before WWII saying "fascism is right for Germany, it's certainly better than communism"), he wasn't killed because he was to the left of the nut-so right wing, he got killed because he was upsetting the liberals, it was a collaboration. that's why there was no finger pointing from the establishment afterwards

      Bill Hicks had a great joke about incoming presidents with "liberal" agendas - "they" take him into a dark smoky room and show him the Kennedy assasination from a never before seen get the point

  • As Manning trial begins-- 'Does America have a conscience?'
    • It must be the Israel Lobby, no way Americans, on their own, without foreign influence and intimidation would ever let something like this happen. Pfft.

  • Kerry and Blair’s $4 Billion Mystery Plan for Palestine: Crony capitalism under the guise of peace?
  • Young people with American accents declare they won't be ethnically cleansed from their 'native land' (Jerusalem)
    • An interesting point is raised by these kids stealing the tag line(s) from that other video of young jewish kids: "we get to decide what that means."

      They're exactly right. Any identity can mean anything, can be redefined at will and past all recognition. The point here? To not care about other's identities, especially when they say things like "As a ___, I...." - tell that person to shut the F up, they're full of shit, by definition.

      I realize this throws a monkey wrench into the MW gears, but it's true - all this Identity nonsense is just that, nonsense, it's a great excuse for people to talk endlessly, about themselves.

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