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Don't forget Chris Hitchens. He is a big supporter of Kurdish independence. He still wears that hackneyed pin I believe.
I believe The American Conservative is pretty good on this
Much sound and fury signifying nothing. In the end they will vote for him because the other guys "are crazy".
Citizens there are many Libertarian and paleocons that are sympathetic as well as douchbags who are essentially typical "conservatives who smoke pot". Lord knows I insult enough of then at Radly Balko's site.
As deplorable as this is, and DK is a dembot apologist shill site, and Kos himself an insufferable twit, Zionism split the left about 40 years ago.
Always interesting to read your comments MRW.
You're quite right. I posted a question there some time ago regarding Jeff Blankfort using the same moniker I do everywhere and got a similar response to the ones the anti Atzmon brigade are giving here; he is an antisemite and if you can't see that than you are deficient.
Gilad not hilarious.
Just an addendum, I follow Hilarious Atzmon on twitter. I decided to make a comment to him there but searched for posts rather than users. His very name is being deployed to defame the Freedom Flotilla. A tweet is being retweeted amongst the anti flotilla mob that says and I paraphrase "noted antisemite Gilad Atzmon" supports flotilla or some such nonsense. While this may be true the use of his name as a negetive talisman by both the right and left is illuminating.
Don't be misled by Donald, it's a rhetorical device he uses. He fancies himself the official gatekeeper of what is acceptable discourse here.
Lol, a marmot is a small rodent and outdoor company, a Mamet is an individual who has seemingly lost his mind.
Youre the man! I'll buy you a beer:)
Danna I look foward to that. Ive engaged other Jewish antizios on several other fora and have never received anything other than the standard "hes an antisemite" and variations of. I wrote a whole long post on the the defacto distinctions between Jabotinsky zionism and say Magnes zionism to be moot at this point, but I'm typing on my phone and there is some weird delay with hitting a key and it responding, javascript issue? Hit the wrong button and it evaporated into the ether
Ahh the magnanimous liberal zionist in his natural environment : I appropriate your home for my homeland and allow you to live in the basement.
These are the great threads. I'd also add Judah P Benjamin, Secretary of State for The Confederacy and lifelong friend of Jefferson Davis to that list.
Wow! The stupid on this one is on ELEVEN!
They are theiving scum and cowards my dear. They will never possess the dignity and courage of people like you.
Yes, collectively that.is all they learned, how to relish being the ones brandishing the crop. Or to translate into ziospeak "not take any shit"...from those weaker than yourself. To be the bully is what this ideology has brought to the Jewish People. Indeed unfortunate that trauma isn't always enobling. In fact it can bring out.the most base in people.
Does the whole post need to be deleted? Can't just whatever word or words you cyber-victorians find objectionable be replaced by asterisks or something?
'Counter' 'Sunstien' please kill this keyboard with fire!
PS. Didn't Hannah Arendt write a book about this? Le sigh..
So when the Lubavitchers ask "are you a Jew" so they can put the Tefillin, just say are you? When they say yes, say that's nice and keep fucking walking.
I'd like to hear more Irish voices here. I think there would be much appreciation to hear of the similarities of The Troubles and the conflict over Palestine. Saorsie!
Who gives a damn about Shalit? I don't. Hes a POW. let him suck it up. Always you and your ilk to add insult to injury. There is no injustice written about on this site that doesn't elicit the morally repugnant comments of your crew.
As his heart is punctured, mine doth bleed for him. As it does for the Palestinian children mutilated by Zionist munitions. More for the latter. Much, much more.
God, please kill my keyboard! 'En toto' To continue as far as I'm concerened we should be boycotted and they should be blockaded.
Soft way out, it will accomplish nothing. It is another palliative to soothe "liberal" souls. Of course the settlements are the obvious villian to be castigated, what of the mechanism that sustains them? No, the state must be boycotted enzo toto
I don't know. Maybe it's a generational thing, maybe it's because I'm so damn unique. Maybe because I'm a halfbreed and wasn't culturally indoctrinated. But I don't feel any discomfort when I hear things like this. I feel as alienated by Jews as I do by most other groups. Individuals are taken on an individual basis for me, but I find it suspect when someone needs a group identity to define them. To deny that there is a kernel of truth in what the woman said is to be obtuse.
Donald fancies himself the dedicated arbiter of good taste and acceptable humor at Mondoweiss.
So attacking a British "military installation" while they were at war with Germany would make the Zionists defacto belligerents on the side of the third Reich? Can anyone say Grand Mufti?
Vigilantes?
You're absolutely right Jeffrey. What I meant was something like taboo.I incorrectly used the word, but I think my point was made. Btw. I take it as an honor to be corrected by you, I'm a longtime admirer of your work.
Brilliant deconstruction, and that's what it was a deconstruction. I like Amira Hass for the most part, but is she above criticism because.she.tends to do good journalism. Liberals must often be reminded of their limitations. She seems to be a good candidate for it from the gist of the article onquestion. I see posters becoming very touchy about their hero, is she some sort of shibboleth. The.writer is 23, God bless her for being so insightful that she can produce a piece of media criticism of this caliber at her age.
That was in reply to minimalist perjorative.
I.see we are now using the language of progressivism to cloak the singularly despicable racist expansionism that is the Zionist project. Well color me surprised. You fool no one except the indoctrinated and the idiotic, congratulations you have entered a new and vile realm of sophistry.
I think that unless there was some you know what involved Ron Jeremy wouldn't have an opinion.
'Allah in The Family' Mooser, are you in the house?
One of the reasons I seldom post. The constant morally obtuse blather mixed with a pantomime of what sounds like altruism but is really supremecy mixed with a little bit of who me awww shucks is enough to.drive anyone batty after a steady dose.
Your out of ideas do you're changing the subject, this is about the world recognized illegality and immorality of arresting and torturing CHILDREN you amoral piece of trash. Uh nothing changes around here, I'm still on moderation, I don't have the patience. Fare thee well.
Well than dear "Rachel" is exactly as described. A coward, a bigot, or shockingly uninformed.
WBAI OS currently undergoing one of it's periodic crises, but this time I fear all hope is lost. Ralph Schoneman and Mya Shone's excellent show Taking Aim is off the air and Amy Goodman's Democracy Now see to become more mainstream by the day. It is indeed depressing.
Example #456.7345.675.00 why the Democratic party should be utterly abandoned. It is the abattoir of progressive movements.
They said John Brown was self righteous. I would say a chokehold is most definitely "trying to harm somebody".
The semiotics of the bully an apt representation of the posture of the state itself.
11!!!
Wow! "A non people". Really, where have I heard talk like that before. Thats eliminationist rhetoric right there.
Very visually captivating. Both parties are very sympathetic and look like they could be or are friends.
I love them! The top one especially, interesting combining the kitsch lettering with the martial ugliness of the apparatus of oppression, genius.
He "has a mark to make". Whether its an X on an idiot form or scratching the days on his prison cell I'm not sure.
And the cartoons dear friend, the cartoons. But the ads for ugly plaid, you have a point.
I see I have good man. I will give you half as you alerted me of this.
50 Chinese Yuan for the first user to incorporate Antediluvian into their post. Go!
Nothing illegal you said? Hmm that kind of narrows it down a bit.
They should change it to that, because the boats are going to keep coming, then aircraft ala Berlin, then its endgame time.
Behind the News on WBAI had a good spot on this today from one of the founders of the SS.program at Harvard. Take home line was "Peretz was always a despicable suckup" it's worth listening to.
Yes, thank you. I'm interested in this dynamic re. manipulation of commentary and outright censorship and "intra-Jewish" dialectic regarding Zionism.
Would you elaborate on this a bit more for me. I'm very curious about what you speak of.
The proud Israeli Navy! Rum, sodomy and the lash I tells ya.
Well than Anthony Weiner and Barney Frank be Jesus and Barabus.
Witty is perfect for a show on NPR. The psuedo-liberal pedagogical high fallutiness, the obtuse self righteousness. Call it "Witty-Ville Wobegone". You have a future in broacast gatekeeping sir.
Wow, Norm Finklstein sure has become belligerent. I jest, I jest. In this person's demented mind I'm sure he believes what he is saying is justified. I believe the phenomena is known as projection. Of course there were many Jews aboard the Mavi Marmara, just not the right kind.
Keep voting for those Dems ladies and germs.
The 'rollseyes' didnt make it into my post for some reason.
Yes, but our execution modalities are so much more humane.
Hear hear, damn spellcheck.
Oh, here here. The only intelligent position is to be at least agnostic. This is the kind of "oh gosh I have to be credible" so I'll sing the required arias that keep the elite comfortable. I have no use for it, I have The Times for that.
I use to read her in The Nation, so you might be forgiven for expecting a bit more from her. That is before I realized how they function, Max Holland hired, and the insufferable K. Vandenheuvel not withstanding. However you must realize that there are certainly no Lesbians or Gays in the occupied Territories or certainly she would care more. Rollingeyes...
Well said. And isn't the construct of an ethno-nationalist state the very antithesis of liberalism?
Sorry for my brevity Rabbi, I was answering your primary question.
No!
Someone should introduce legislation to recognize Cuba as a Taino State, that would piss off Ros Lethan.
Thank God it's not "The balbusters seige" I'll be there!
My advice to you PG. is not to be held back by shibboleths. I think that you usually have no compunctions expressing yourself. There will be critical mass sooner or later. My "tribe" are those who disdain all autoritarian and oppressive systems. Shana Tova!
I expect Rendell is as innocent as a fox in a henhouse. He is bought and paid for by The Fraternal Order of Police and is personally responsible for railroading and persecuting MOVE. And Mumia Abu Jamal.
He did outstanding stuff on The East Timor occupation if I'm not mistaken.
Yup, former Attorney General, Congresswomen, Mother of dead soldier. Dutch gadfly anti-Islamist will travel, mentally disturbed ultra-zio "objectivist" web mistress, assorted haters and trouser-stains yeah theyre about equal.
God forbid all that "peace" in the region should be threatened.
"Generosity has always been part of the story, as the dreaded Israeli Right keeps pointing out, receiving so little gratitude. But it must be understood as real generosity, giving from what is our own, not returning what was yours." This is very well said I must remember this formulation.
I salute your integretous decision Sir.
Thank you for this. As one of partial Portuguese Sephardic extraction I find it so utterly distasteful to hear the dimminshment of The high Moorish culture. It was an enlightened and cosmopolitan society. The usual suspects should know The Inquisition and the torment of "crypto-Jews", "Marranos" and the perpetual "limpieza de sangre" occured after the reconquista, but eh whatevs, am I right?
PS. What do you think his idol Woodie Guthrie would have thought about that considering his guitar killed fascists.
Well he went through a Kahane "phase" and he has some connection to Chabad, so. That and he's always been slightly insane.
Yes Ofer, this is exactly what can be gleaned from it, as it is the same with certain other Leftist critics of Israel. I needn't mention names I think you will know to whom I refer.
Little bit of a riot in Ireland to welcome the scoundrel today.
Their very residence
Settlers are the spearhead of the expansionist state. These in particular are the Eugene TerraBlanche element of that spearhead. They are in violation of International as well as Natural Law. There very residence is provocative, as it is their intended function to be. They are defacto agents of The State apparatus.
Very adeptly said. There are chauvanisms so internalised one isn't even aware of them, these are the most insideous.
Armed paramilitary settlers are fair game. As I've said countless times all violence in this "conflict" stems from the original sin of occupation. These settlers are crimmimals, nothing more, nothing less. They trample through someone elses home like thieves, and when they are dealt with as such there will be no lamentation from me. I'll leave that to the fair and balanced mainstream media and doyens of the establishment. Is it strategically beneficial? It's probably not even tactically beneficial, but it is to question why water flows downward, that is the nature of things.
Phil might read The esteemed El Haj Malik Shabazz to gain a better understanding of self defense.
I see a long and esteemed career in The mainstream media for you.
"Israel has bent over backwards" that is ironic since that is exactly what The Shabak does to Palestinian detainees.
Anti-Sharia Taskforce. I, I.. Agggh...
She ia having a hissy fit on Twitter. Basically calling out Vanden Huevel for subsidizing "comment trolls" er what?? The Cog-Dis it stings.
DRY RUB! That is all.
I dont know the answer to that, but your comment made me reflect on just how similar some of the language is to the Nativist Anti-Catholic screeds. Just substitute "Sharia" for "Papism" and "Islamist infiltration" with "Jesuitism". And the band played on.
Saleema, Der Sturmer was the NSDAP. house organ. It means The Stormtrooper. It was a racist and fascist periodical that often depicted Jews and other hated minorities in a disgusting and contorted way. You can google it I'm sure there are images on the web.
Donald, my screed wasnt directed at you. The comment might have been clumsy and apropos of nothing, so be it. Sometimes my comments are external expressions of my internal dialogue. I dont comment here to share my brilliant research or drop pearls of wisdom. I come to commume with other like minded anti-zonists and share my take based on my unique personal experiences. The comment was a kernal of an idea that struck me as ironic; that a propagandist who formulates base racial stereotypes about Arabs and Muslims, of they carry scimitars and will kidnap your daughters variety, looked so much like an Anti-Semitic characterture Sometimes I just dont have the patience to fully deconstruct my thoughts, sometimes I just feel like being a smartass, I'm post-modern like that.
PS. These people are fascists and rascist war mongers. They advocate for constant warfare and have been ginning up virulent unrepentant hate as an enterprise for years. They are the very scum of the earth and I will not hesitate to make them the subject of ridicule and scorn. If you are offended by my ridicule of their respective physical attributes then your priorities are severley askew.
Uh, really. It was an observation. Do I need to innoculate myself by stating THAT I AM JEWISH. It shouldnt matter, but apparently does. If you are going to police comments based on what a hypetsensitive ethno-supremicist cadre dictates then I will gladly take my commentary elsewhere. I like this site, thats why I comment here, but I find it in distaste that in the midst of an anti-Islam pogram we are worried about the delicate sensibilities of my earnest co-religionists. Of course I detest all oppressive systems, but I dont think hyper PCism is the way to go. Why must it be construed to be antisemitic to make an observation?
Have you guys seen Spencer? He looks so much like a cartoon from Der Sturmer its scary. Pam Geller was voted most likley to get botoxed in high school. The man funding that weird acronym of theirs is certifiably insane, his bizarre writing style is something to behold.
Keeping it classy as always I see. Nice touch.
I love the SHARIA signs in the Chiller-Theater font. Nice touch.
That made me think of the huge march in NY. before The Iraq genocide began. I was holding my 'enforce UN. sanctions against Israel' sign. We were all penned up block by block so were basically stuck where we were, cops were being really charming and helpful that day, a middle aged hippie woman and her clan were shooting me daggers all day. First I thought she thought I was a cop bc. I sort look like one, I was an MP. in the Navy and dress pretty working class, so I get that at demos. But I'm pretty sure it was my sign in retrospect.
These are willing pupils in that case. Why do some subjected to the same constant propaganda, the same cultural indoctrination, reach different conclusions, eshcew behaviour such as this? My question is rhetorical, because the conclusion I have come to is that no matter the cultural milleu there will always be a part of the population that are not only suceptable to hate, but indeed seek it out and relish in it. Read Erich Fromm's Escape from freedom, it is a great insight into personality types that are attracted to these sorts of movements.
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Such a nice gal. Make any one a nice wife.
Excuse me, where is the "war"? Wars are of opposing armies, this is an occupation. As for the callous cruelty, I can only hope one day she is in the mirror position and remembers this behaviour, maybe as a hostage or prisoner, I'm a prick like that. I get viscerally disturbed by images like this and my first response is anger and the desire to retribute.
Hamas, Shmamas. It doesnt matter if the commentariat at Mondoweiss supports them or not, they won the free and fair election and the people of Gaza support them.
Claims stated.
I concur with Avi. I dont understand the trepidation on this issue. Why would it be difficult to decide to adopt the position of thw indiginous movement you nominally support? I can only surmise what the vacillation could be about as the claims states arent valid in my opinion.
It is quite literally the least one can do. It's not The Montgomery bus boycott, there are no products or services that are essential to daily living that Israel provides.
And he will use his best MLK. cadence, bluster and that phony gravitas routine he trots out periodically.
Corporal Punishment returns, Dun duh duh! He is like a fungus, he'll disappear for a while but you can't get rid of him.
At least you didn't say 'manor' as I often do.
In Uranus. Mae Brussel.
That's a good point. Do you mean were they merley acting as informants while nominal Trotskyites at CCNY? I can't believe Horowitz wasn't informing on the Black Panther Party. I don't see people so dramatically realigning their Political ethos as they have been purported to have done.
Jeffrey I. Read your recent piece on Finklstein's position vis a vis single state, two state with great interest. This just confirms what I was saying regarding Police and their use of and interchangability with reactionary crimminal elements in another thread. ADL has been repugnant for some time, this is them jumping the shark so to speak.
Libya was an Italian Colony as well. I think there was some Italian interest in Chad as well, but Im not positive.
Chomsky is an Anarchist sort of like the Nazis were Socialist,ie not very much.
Jews are white people? WTF does that mean? All of them? You are an imbecile apparently.
Good epithet though. 'May jackels feast on your eyes, I dedicate on you!'
Irridentism?
I saw the 'edit' earlier and frankly couldn't figure it out. I would have liked to see the comments, and let them stand or fall on their own merit or lack there of.