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Detached head?...You mean like this?
link to youtube.com
did you really trademark "processed peace?" haha
Anyone know if there are plans to take Israel to the ICC immediately, or is this going to be a two-decade process, like the peace-process...
Bill Maher has always been a racist who disguises himself as a progressive.
Watch As'ad Abukhalil completely expose Maher for the ignorant buffoon that he is! It is worth watching folks...
link to youtube.com
Is the Nov. 29th U.N.G.A. vote moving forward as expected? I haven't read anything...
The Palestinian people will never...ever...renounce the right of return, regardless of what the so-called leadership says/does.
It's just not going to happen.
I completely agree! Calling this criminal by his "cute" little nickname is sickening...imagine if we called Hitler "Dolphie."
People on this website do it often. Please stop.
You sound like someone who would blame Jews for their own Holocaust. Shame, shame...
Agreed Colin. It should be remembered, Finkelstein's livelihood depends on perpetuating the fantasy of partition. It's his bread and butter...
Tell me about it Colin...I hope the Hasbara brigade pays this court jester well.
Hey McFly...the bible is NOT real...wake the f_ck up!
Jesus Christ
Gilad,
If you think CNN, MSNBC, the NYT, etc are anti-Israel or "liberal" outlets, then you are not only the Zionazi you have proven yourself to be, but you are also a moron of epic proportions.
Where do I get my information on the conflict in Palestine from? It's called scholarship -- and it seems most non-Zionists who frequent this blog are educated, which is why I/they cannot be deceived by your pre-programmed Zionist "history," "facts," or "arguments." We know what you are: that little kid whose roots are in Eastern Europe, but was gullible enough to believe a that little fairytale called "redemption" (I'm willing to bet your family even changed your last name to fit right in, didn't they?).
But let me remind you of something: you and your "tribe" did not wander the earth for 2,000 years as a genetically unchanged "people," only to miraculously find yourselves back in the promised land. Crazies who believe in fantasy like this -- i.e. YOU -- should not be taken seriously. That is why I refuse to engage people like you in substance. It's a no-win situation; akin to arguing with a two year old. Rather, I just make sure to remind indoctrinated Zionists like you exactly what they are: racists who hide their bigotry behind so-called logical arguments.
Nazis, Afrikaners, slave-owners, and segregationists: this is the company you are ideologically inline with Gilad. Yet, you don't seem to mind. More than sad, it is downright pathetic; I'd say it was sad if you were not beyond redemption, but you clearly are. You are the prototype fool that Zionist leaders love, a person who blindly grabs his tin hat and gun and says "where are the natives?!"
You have no knowledge of history, no conception of justice, no understanding of truth. You would have clearly been better off living in past centuries...
A Jew whose roots are likely from Eastern Europe, whose family came to Palestine and stole everything under the sun, wants to talk about "sharing."
Aww, isn't that sweet. No one on this blog takes you seriously Gilad. You are nothing more than a "token" Zionist, a dog that rolls over when told to.
Imagine trying to have a rational conversation with a Nazi during WWII...this is really the same thing.
I'm an Arab-American and I would NEVER vote for Obama! He has proven himself to be criminal on the question of Palestine.
"My overall views are that the case for the establishment of a Jewish state was a strong one..."
Comments like this are laughable. There is not a single credible argument as to why the creation of a "Jewish state" in Palestine was justified then, or now.
Ilan Pappe said that "liberal Zionism" is like Coke Light; i.e., it's basically the same horrible thing. This author, a self-professed Zionist, views the conflict from the same racist viewpoint that Zionism demands.
When you view things through racist dogma, you are just not credible.
I wonder how they'll vote down there in Del Boca Vista?!
Oh Jesus
For whom is right Annie.
Qalqiliya is literally encircled by the apartheid wall. Those folks aren't driving anywhere.
Too many "liberal" Jews in the media who have a warm, fuzzy place in their hearts for Zionism.
Somewhere out there, millions of Palestinians are collectively thinking: "how the hell did these people become OUR problem?!"
Unlike Zionist hypocrites, I reject ethnic cleansing across the board. So if Arab Jews -- who let's remember were ARABS before Zionism stripped them of their Arab identity -- have a grievance against their respective countries of origin, I support their right to take up that grievance legally. The Palestinian refugees have done so and have a legal (and moral) right of return to their homeland. I therefore support the right of Arab Jews in Israel to return to their countries of origin.
But let's be serious for a moment: we all know Israel's true goal here is to offset the Palestinian refugee question by exploiting the Jewish refugee question.
Very nice Annie.
Avi Shlaim said that Arab Jewish immigration to Israel was largely the result of a systematic campaign by the Israeli state to increase its Jewish population, and took place over a 30 year span -- i.e. there was not ethnic cleansing of Jews by Arab states.
Finally, that Zionist collaborator Fayyad is being exposed!
....and once again, Palestinians remain invisible.
This is the discourse in America. It feels good to know that I live in what is probably the dumbest country on the planet. At least we're first at being last, right? "We're number one!, we're number one!, we're number one!"
I'll take Mondoweiss...at least they (we) know Zionism is evil.
In reality, Jon Stewart is super tame on the P-I conflict, but in relation to others in the American media, he looks super progessive. Let's not be fooled.
But, hey, at least he's no scumbag, racist like Bill Maher!
Hey Sean, stop being so damn sensitive and enjoy:
link to youtube.com
Zionism should be eradicated. It is the scourge of the 21st century.
The death of Zionism will happen one way or another; it is absolutely inevitable. You cannot continue to maintain a racist, supremacist system that subjects exactly half the population.
This fantasy that historic Palestine can be partitioned at this point, considering the realities on the ground, is sheer fantasy...it borders on delusional.
I do not vote for Dems OR Repubs. I'm not dumb enough to fall into that silly little trap.
Yes, Sibiriak, let us, the civilized world, allow them to keep Zionism -- the most racist ideology since Nazism. If this was 1940, would you have also said that Germans would never give up Nazism???
I will take a Republican over a Democrat any day for one reason alone: Republicans have a spine. Sure they run on a racist platform that caters to rich, white men solely, but at least you know where they stand on issues.
Democrats are spineless cowards, pretending to support the "working man/woman," while in reality catering to the same rich, white man.
And you two-staters still think Israel is going to give up Jerusalem....welcome to Fantasy Island.
It is clearly a diversion Annie. Good catch!
This world needs more Annies.....and less Pams!
Great idea for an ad, but the picture ruins it. Maybe if there was picture of the apartheid wall in the background instead, no?
But I def get the point, and we'll see if equal standards of free speech apply...
But all three stole the restaurant!
Exactly. Liberal Zionists have long tried to convince the world this all started in 1967...
Hostage,
I appreciate your reliance on the "law." But after 60+ years, I think the average Palestinian would tell you what he/she thinks of the law. I also believe, at this point in time, knowing what we know, the average Palestinian is less inclined to give up a single inch inside the Green Line. So it's all of 1967 or bust, as they say, in terms of two states.
The idea of partition has repeatedy failed. I find it quite interesting that two-state advocates are so vehement in their opposition to the very idea of one state. After all, it is the only idea which includes ALL Palestinians, not just those in the West Bank and Gaza.
What will come of the Palestinians inside Israel after two states? Are 1.5 million people left to live under Jim-Crow-like laws for another 50 years? or do we try to resolve the conflict as holistically as possible...now, not in these silly little phases everyone wants to shove down Palestinian throats.
So what should we do with the 6 million Jews in Palestine-Israel Mooser? Get rid of them?
You, me, the entire world knows these people are theives, and to be perfectly honest, really have no right to be there. But for the sake of peace and to resolve the conflict, yes, you let the theif have the car as long as he allows you the same full access to it.
Eventually the theif will realize his only options are two destroy the car and everyone in it, including himself, or unlock the doors.
You should neither take Omar Barghouti's word nor my own. You need only look at the reality on the ground and draw the logical conclusion...
Israel can either forcibly remove Palestinians or learn to give them equal rights. But one seems quite certain, they will never agree to two states that includes East Jerusalem as a Palestinian capital.
So either you two state supporters are changing the definition of "two-states," because the way Palestinians have been led to undersand it, two states means all of East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza, or you believe, for example, Israel is going to abandon East Jerusalem.
Now seriously, does anyone think Israel is going to give E. Jerusalem back after it spent 40+ years Judaising it?
Sibiriak,
A one state solution does not mean Israeli Jews will have to give up "everything," as you put it. It simply means they will have to share everything. The only thing they will have to give up is the racist, colonialist dream that is Zionism, i.e. a "Jewish state." This anachronistic philosophy is a thing of the 20th century, no longer to be condoned or supported today. This is what outside pressure will inevitably force Israelis to accept.
This idea that a two-state settlement is just the first step towards binationalism is sheer fantasy. We have binationalism NOW; the problem, however, is that one group gets all the rights and the other gets no rights. So the question is not how we give those with limited or no rights a flag and a national anthem, but how we give them full and equal human and civil rights. This is much easier to accomplish working from a framework that acts according to the reality on the ground, not what some snake-oil salesmen politican say two "states" could, possibly, maybe look like.
Sibiriak,
I'm not so certain this is a fact. I know that the BDS movement itself is careful not to take a stance supporting any one particular solution; though it must be said that the main organizers of the BDS movement seem to have a bias towards a single, democratic state for all.
You may not be Jewish -- though I get the impression you were born into a Jewish family -- but I am Palestinian, and I do not think it is a grand assumption to say that Palestinians absolutely do not want to give up 80+ percent of their land. They are being forced to do so under the paradigm of partition, which has lost all credibility now that the masked has been unveiled.
I've read through this thread, and it seems like those who support "two-states" keep missing the point: this conflict is not about a "state" it is about "justice."
The conflict did not begin in 1967 as many want to believe, it began in 1948 (and before); if the roots of the conflict, i.e. the issues created in 1948, are not resolved, then there will neither be peace in a one state nor a two state situation. So we need to be realistic here...
I think Palestinian opinion supporting two states is a thing of the past, and I believe the only reason it was supported to begin with was because at the time of Oslo, they truly believed that is the best they could do -- the logic was, it is better to have a small piece of the pie than nothing at all. Even intellectuals like Edward Said bought into this idea, but just as Said soon realized that the Oslo/two-state framework was specifically designed to be all "process" and no "substance," so too did Palestinians themselves. Thus, the two decades of the post-Oslo years are proving to be the most pivotal in the conflict's history because it is officially endeding the silly notion of "partition."
I think Palestinians have always understood you cannot partition the land of historic Palestine, but, again, they really had no choice but to buy in to the idea of Oslo because there was no alternative. The grassroots movement of the first intifada, which could have led to a mass rights-based movement (potentially in conjunction with the movement against South African apartheid), was effectively defused by Oslo. Anyone who believes this is a coincidence is foolish. We all know the Israeli intention from the outset was to prolong the process in order to grab as much land as possible, while pushing Palestinians to the margins (Bantustans).
So why do some still believe they are willing to roll back that process? Why do some believe Israel is now willing to completely remove itself from East Jerusalem, which it formally annexed in 30 + years ago? Who are we kidding? We know what the two-state solution means, and all of this talk about negotiations, land-swaps, a refugee quota system, etc is all smoke and mirrors, designed to prolong the conflict even further.
And all of this talk about the uncertainty of what one-state would look like is an excuse. We know exactly what it looks like because we have it now: apartheid (the known unknown). We are fighting against it now. But what makes apartheid more difficult to combat are the nagging two-staters who are inevitably there to whisper: "but wait, we don't want to lose the opportunity for the two state solution."
I find that the majority of those who repeat this message are Jews (both conservative and liberal) because, let's be honest, these people know they (or their brethren) stole all of the land and now they are in a position to fix a reality that gives them 80+ percent of said land. This is a logical position. I fully understand it, but what they don't seem to understand is that today, especially after the reality of partition has been exposed, Palestinians will never, ever give up 80+ percent of their rightful land, abandon the refugees, or give up East Jerusalem.
In the 21st century, I would believe that defeating Zionism, the world's last racist, coloinialist project, would be far easier then forcing 11 million people to give up their rightful struggle for justice, especially after they have endured for 60+ years. So any push for one state would naturally mean the end of the Zionist project. One just needs to look at history to know this is inevitable.
Those who hold on to the fantasy of partition do a huge disservice to the Palestinian struggle, because this is the paradigm that empowers Israel the most. The push for justice centered on human and civil rights is precisely what Israel fears most, because it knows it is powerless against this type of movement. This is what will eradicate Zionism and convince Israeli Jews that co-existence is possible.
Exactly Steve...and those dialogue groups are one of the corner stones to the so-called two-state solution.
A decade ago, one could not even utter the words "one-state solution;" today, it is part of the larger discourse. This is a clear sign we are on the right track to a single state that provides equal rights for all who live there.
Sorry, but Jews cannot exclusively have 80+ percent of Palestine -- that will never happen.
It's great that you learned Hebrew. You also speak Russian I presume, considering you and your entire family are from EASTERN EUROPE!
That's what I mean....fear of losing their mother, so that makes them fearless in facing the soldiers
Man, those little girls are fearless!
Well-said...
Mainstream "liberals" in the U.S. seem to be anything but liberal. Taking a liberal stance on ONE issue -- like gay marriage, for example -- does not make one a liberal. You must take a liberal (or progressive stance) across the board....and yes, that includes Palestine.
I would love to see what about Israeli Apartheid! Not many people know what the "right of return" is -- but everyone has heard of Apartheid!
Wow, that is B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L!
"they supposedly desire"
That is Zionist-facist speak for, "they want to destroy us."
Haha, nice try clown.
Good point Jimbowski. There is NO other website that provides this kind of information, insight, and analysis on the Palestine-Israel conflict.
It's a pretty darn amazing site!
Good point Colin.
Fred,
I will ask you again: how much $$$ do you get paid to sit here and defend Israel, even though you are a US citizen.
We all know you get paid for this. At least be a man and admit it.
Merk,
Just refer to my comment aimed at Citizen, and insert your own name.
Oh please Citizen. Any moron knows that Jewish "culture" was a product of Zionism. Before that, a Jew in Germany considered himself German, a Jew in Russia considered himself Russian, and a Jew in the U.S. considered himself American. The only thing they had in common was Judaism as a religion. The German Jew knew nothing of American culture, vice-versa. So give me a break, and keep your fairytale mythology that Jews were a genetically unchanged "people," wandering the globe for 2,000 years, until they finally came back "home" to the uninhabited land of Israel crap to yourself.
Seems like you're so indoctrinated, you may be beyong redemption.
Jewish culture? Can you explain what that is? I have heard of a Jewish religion, not a Jewish culture. I have, however, heard of Israeli culture.
Your tired, 20th century racist rhetoric is filled with the notion of "superiority."
RoHa,
Yes, you are correct: "Not all Arabs are Muslim and not all Muslims are Arabs.”...That's what I meant, but realize I worded it incorrectly. Good catch!
You ask a very good question. How can we make American understand the simple fact that Christians are also being persecuted in Palestine.
This is the dirty little secret Zionists work hard to keep. Part of their strategy is to exaggerate the wedge between Arab Christians and Muslims, aiming to isolate Muslims as, well, "savages." But imagine a sign in the U.S. that states:
"Jews are killing Christians and Muslims in Palestine. The civilized world must unite and make them stop!"
This is a simple fact, but can you imagine the uproar and how quickly those signs would be pulled?
Fred,
Could you please tell us again how Jews are superior to Christians and Muslims. I'm sure we'd all love to hear it.
I think it's time to start saying this ad is offensive to ARABS, without using the word MUSLIM. All Arabs are not Muslim and all Muslims are not Arabs. I come from a Palestinian Christian family (though I am NOT religious in any way, shape, or form), and this ad is offensive to me as an A-R-A-B (and a human being).
We should let Americans know this ad targets Arabs -- Muslim, Christians, Atheists alike. The sad reality is that Americans are more inclined to act if they understand "Christians" are being persecuted as well.
Um, maybe it is because it is the 21st century and Israel is the last colonial-apartheid regime on the planet.
Jews: always the victim, never the victimizer...right?
Good to know you "don't give a damn about that..."
But everyone else around you does...tick tock Zionist.
Exactly right Kathleen. The Palestine-Israel conflict is the only issue in which so-called liberals and conservatives agree with each other 100 percent of the time. Once again, America is on the wrong side of history.
Are we the most uninformed, apathetic people on the planet? It's a rhetorical question.
Great letter Jim. Clear and concise.
Annie, can you keep me updated on the local meeting if one takes place?
Ok, so we should be able to put the word "DON'T" in front of "SUPPORT," the letter "I" after "ISRAEL," and the word "APARTHEID" at the end -- so the ad would read:
"DON'T SUPPORT ISRAELI APARTHEID"
This is so doable!
Do we know what company was used to place the ad????
YES
Arabs have been the majority in Palestine since the 7th century you brainiac.
But I bet you went to Hebrew school and weren't taught that ; )
I think Palestinians are getting a little tired of all this "Jewish" identity crap...they are the ones who have to suffer as a result of that existential question: "Who am I?"
This is exactly how racists think.
I wonder how much this "Fredblogs" person gets paid to monitor this website and post what are obviously racist, ignorant, and false comments.
He/she claims to be American but clearly supports Israel over any other country.
I bet there is a lot of $$$ to be made in the racism industry, huh Freddie?
Have we forgotten that Israel formally annexed East Jerusalem. Those that keep holding on to the fantasy of partition, i.e. the two state "solution," are helping Israel achieve exactly what they've planned all along.
Well said Denis.
Israel will either join the civilized world or fall by the wayside like every other facist, racist, criminal society.
Tick tock...
Ah, you must be very excited to go and kill some Arabs huh?
You should you be "defending" the borders of Eastern Europe -- you know, where you're actually from.
And are dead Israeli terrorists good too dimadok?
Because Israel is full of uncivilized, backwards, terrorists...what should we, in the civilized, world do with them?
We should all remember that the Settlements are intentionally placed near or, in some cases, directly above Palestinian aquifers.
According to Netanyahu:
"...when I talk about the importance of Israel's security, this is not an abstract concept...It means that a housewife in Tel Aviv can open the tap and there's water running to it, and it's not been dried up because of a rash decision that handed over control of our aquifers to the wrong hands." (AIPAC's 39th Conference, Washington DC, May 17, 1998.)
By wrong, hands that racist means Palestinians, of course.
Come off it Zionist - you know what is happening. Stop trying to ask questions about "this" or "that;" there is no debate to be had here. Your precious "chosen" Jews in Israel steal water from the darker people, plain and simple.
...You were definitely born in the wrong century!
Water is the elephant in the room.
I love reading the silly posts of this "Oleg" person. He is from Eastern Europe....still can't quite figure out why loves Israel so much. Why not love his Eastern European country as much?!
During the opening ceremony of the Olympics, Bob Costas used the words, "Palestinian terrorists," when the Israeli athletes took the field. When the Palestinian athletes took the field, he did not mention a single word about Israeli terrorism, occupation, or apartheid.
I mean, this is the level of stupidity we're dealing with regarding this issue.
Nice post Cliff!
I have noticed this Merk person has been posting here lately. We all know he/she is a Zionist pretending to be partial, and somewhat "new" to the issues of the conflict.
"Stand With Us" is a hugely racist organization.
Winnica, out of curiosity, are you Israeli, American, or something else?
Calm,
Haven't you heard: it is NEVER ok for dark-skinned people to resist anything.
Yes, 12 million died in the Holocaust, but guess which 6 million get all the museums?
So let's see: 6 million Jews die in the Holocaust, and there are 6 million Palestinian refugees (people forced to live entire lives -- from birth to death -- in camps with no hope and no future).
Yes, there should be Nakba museums...
There should be a Nakba museums throughout the world, just like there are Holocaust museums.
You are pro-Zionist, which means you are pro-racism, which means you are pro-apartheid...
...That guy is the Jewish equivalent of Joseph Goebbels!
I loved the last question by Susie. Funny how non-Israeli Jews can never seem to answer that question...
The old Zionist canard: there is no such thing as "Palestinians"
It's just as easy to say there is no such thing as a Jewish "people"
Oh please Fred...we all know it's true. We all know you would wipe the United States right off the map if it meant saving your little supremacist project called Israel.
Care to tell us which country you are a citizen of then???...
...or are you a "dual" citizen? ;)
"But it (the world) can never sever the Jewish attachment too and love for Jerusalem."
Aww, that is so sweet Norman F. I have followed this thread and seen you and your fellow Zio-facist cohorts get torn apart in these argument...it was actually a little embarrassing to read (almost began to feel sorry for you)...
...and now you are resorting to emotional arguments -- nobody cares about your silly little "attachment" to Jerusalem. It's NOT yours...but feel free to visit.
It can be argued that Zionist Jews do the same thing: breed and brainwash people Jews from cradle to the grave.
And it works. Take yourself for example: you are an American and you have far more loyalty/allegiance to the state of Israel than to your own country (you may deny this, but we all know it's true).
Roya,
I often wonder what the background is of posters here; it would be interesting to know.
I get the impression that most posters on this site are Jewish (from the US, Britain, Israel, etc), and that there are very few Palestinian or other Arab posters here. I could be way off, but the feeling I get when reading various threads is that it is a battle between liberal/progressive/enlightened Jews and bat-sh_t, wingnut Zionists.
Then you should move over to Huffington Post, which caters to Zionists like yourself...
Keep dreaming Zionist
"Thank you for the condolences." Are you kidding? Nobody is extending condolences to YOU. They are being extended to the victims and their families, many of which likely support what is being done to Palestinians (what irony huh?).
You are just looking for an excuse to go to war with Iran. Be careful what yo wish for, be very careful...
I actually like this a lot David. It should be called what it is: a "catastrophe."
PALOCAUST
What does anyone expect...it's the Huffington Post?! It's not a serious outlet for news/information.
Great, so Palestinians have to suffer because Jews are collectively having a mid-life crisis...
Well, they are not your people...they are Israeli and you are American (I assume). Why so shocked?
Let me restate that then: Jewish supremacist tribalism is evil.
Better?
...and tribalism is evil.
I completely agree with you Dan. This is all aimed at avoiding the inevitable one state solution for fear of losing their beloved "Jewish" majority. It has nothing to do with Palestinian rights (if it was they would have spoken up long ago).
Bottom line: these so-called "liberal" Zionists claim to support BDS because of their racist demographic concerns. Let us not be fooled...
Let's not kid ourselves people: These so-called "liberal" Zionists are now coming out of the woodworks to support BDS because they worry that the status quo will lead to one, democratic state -- and their biggest fear is giving Palestinians equal rights because it may cause them to lose their precious "Jewish" state.
Their entire pretext is racist. Who are we kidding here?
These are not his people Woody. Fredblogs is an American, and has been brainwashed to believe that Israelis are "his" people.
This guy is not different than the 19 hijackers of 9-11: weakminded and easily manipulated.
That is some serious denial you're in there buddy.
Let's notice how Fred answered this question everyone: he used a tricky little Zionist trick called "deflection." When in doubt, bring up other issues like "Native Americans," for example.
Let's turn the Native American comparison on its head Freddy:
Let's say Jews did have a 2,000 year old claim to Palestine, just like Native Americans have a legitimate claim to American land. If no one expects the US to return the land to the Native Americans after just a few hundred years, why should Palestinians have been expected to return their land to Jews after 2,000 years?!
The reality of that map cuts deep doesn't it Fred...clear and visual evidence that your white, European, Jewish brethren stole the land....ouch ;)
Do homosexuals deserve their own homeland? The Holocaust also belongs to them, does it not? Or are you stealing the entire meaning of the Holocaust too? Homosexuals have been persecuted throughout the anals of history just like Jews and many, many other people...you cannot monopolize suffering.
Allen wants to take his daughters to Israel to teach them about his "Jewish culture." Wow, I didn't know he spoke Hebrew, followed Israeli theater, ate Israeli food, or listened to Israeli music...I'm surprised he's never been there?
He's seems to be too ignorant to undersand it is ISRAELI culture, not Jewish culture...and he's not a part of it!
Just because someone makes movies, it doesn't make them a genius....Allen is clearly a profound idiot when it comes to knowledge of Israel, Palestine, the Middle East, or history.
This conversation literally demonstrates how delusional, paranoid, and desperate Zionists are...it's literally like trying to debate a 5 year old child!
Tobin, an American, telling us HE has rights in Palestine...get da f_ck outta here!
Exactly!
Finkelstein does not seem to understand that the Palestine-Israel conflict has entered a new paradigm, one that is less about borders and more about rights/justice. He is stuck in the old "school of partition." Why? Because he makes $$$ pushing two-states, writing books, etc. I think a part of him believes the Palestinian cause ruined his professional career, and he has decided to cash-in (I'm sure it's not much) on the idea of the two-state "solution" while he still can. But the clock is quickly running out on that silly idea, so keep cashin' in while you can Norman, keep cashin' in...
Anyone who is Arab or Palestinian should remember: it is NOT for Norman Finkelstein to tell us how to resolve our own conflict.
Did you leave Eastern Europe -- you know, where you are really from -- because they didn't have fans to throw excrement at?
Yes, but Ben Gurion changed his name to help perpetuate the myth that Ashkenazi Jews had any connection/right to historical Palestine when, of course, we all know they didn't.
The difference is that Ali and X changed their names to escape persecution; Ben Gurion changed his name to persecute others.
@Yonah:
You are comparing Ali and X to a criminal like Ben Gurion...now I have seen it all!
It is not for the colonized, oppressed, and dispossessed to "persuade" the colonizer, oppressor, and dispossessor of anything.
You have a colonizer's mentality.
It's no secret that your Eastern European brethren -- aka Israelis -- tried to kill the man; looks like they succeeded.
"...if you guys decide to repeat history?"
Wow, that is a BOLD statement to make Fredblogs. I see you have chosen to be an eternal victim...
Imagine how great life could be if not lived like a chicken-sh_t
Bin Laden died...Shamir died...two birds of the same feather: big deal.
Gilad, you can be equal in Eastern Europe, where your family comes from, right?
Typical Zionist garbage.
Until we, as a world, can civilize Israeli Jews, there will never be a solution.
"They are mostly descended from Arab invaders who came in after Islam was invented."
So that means their ancestors were there since the 7th century. And your European Jewish brethern have been there for about 20-100 years. Hmm, I wonder who has a more legitimate claim?
Ok, this is the part where you spout your religious fanaticism about 2,000 years ago...
What delusional fantasy world do you live in? It is clear you know little to nothing about the world, politics, international relations, etc if you really believe that "hurting" Israel hurts the US.
History will remember Zionists in the same way it remember Nazis. You can change your stripes now or be a footnote of history pal...
Well, the sun and, of course, Joe Pesci.
Who prays to the sun (George Carlin, that is) : )
You hit the nail on the head with Bill Maher. This guy is so unabashedly racist towards Arabs and Muslim, I am amazed he still has a platform on HBO.
His pro-Israel rants are embarrassing to watch (so I stopped watching). He is no doubt a Jew in Atheist-clothing.
Interesting. Thanks Daniel.
Aren't you Russian? Why do you care about this issue so much?
You have no clue what realism means.
Yes, facts do spoil the party: the fact is you and your European brethren stole the land you're on, the home you're in, and the bed you're on from Palestinians. But that fact is inconvenient for you isn't it...
You and those like you are becoming more irrelevant with every passing day.
Not bad for a "cult" huh Normie?
...and do you check underneath your bed for the boogey-man every night?
Talk about scared, delusional, and brainwashed
I neither agree nor disagree with Massad on the issue. I do not refer to myself as a semite, but the point of my original post was that if a European is going to highjack the term and use, misuse, and abuse its historiocity, then we present day Arabs have every right to reclaim the term as part of a struggle in which the "truth" is central. Whether semitic people do or do not exist may be debatable, but the fact that Arabs are likely more "semitic" than Ashkenazi Jews is not. It has more to do with the hijacking of a collective identity, culture, and heritage than any anthropological issue.
You obviously missed the point of my comment Newclench.
I am familiar with Joseph Massad's scholarship; he has a very particular area of expertise
Since we are taking back terms, I would hereby like to take back the term "Semite." It is common knowledge that European Ashkenazi Jews are not Semites.
My parents, for example, were born and raised in Palestine (and so too were their ancestors); this means they are Semitic. Oleg's parents were not born in Palestine; they are not Semitic.
This makes Oleg, Hophmi, and the rest of the Hasbara brigade's comments against Arabs/Palestinians the epitome of anti-Semitism.
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Let's not blame Lebron please.