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@justice.
Smirking does not get you more credit- there is NO peace treaty and therefore there is ONLY a cease fire agreements, same as between North and South Koreas, Russia and Japan, Argentine and UK....
Hence de jure state of war still persist, and de facto Syrian transfer of arms and support of Hizbollah, Hamas and others makes it de facto act of war.
@Taxi.
Indeed they are legal and valid treats- and Israel takes them very seriously. The organization itself is the terrorist militia, bur their treats are just as legal as any other. Moreover, Hizbollah as the part of Lebanese coalition puts whole country within the retaliation response from Israel.
"Israeli attack, never mind the overthrow of a foreign government, is an act which violates international law"
I am really curious how the treat of action against the head of state which is in, de-facto and de-jure, state of war is considered to be against the international law.
More nonsense from the "retired college librarian".
@Sumud-
There you go
link to elearning.la.psu.edu
link to geography.huji.ac.il
The iconographic is a blatant lie- there was no 97% ownerships of the land by Arabs.
The fact is only 3 % of the land was owned by Arabs and still is in modern Israel, while Jews only own a fraction of it, around 0.5%. The rest is owned by state of Israel.
Very blur definition between the "Palestinian" and "Jewish" ownership over the land, implies that Palestinian owners were not Jewish, while Jews as the integral part of Ottoman province of Palestine and later British mandate, were also counted as Palestinians.
You may repeat this lie ad nausem but it won't change the facts.
Wow! Like a breath of fresh air here. Kudos to editors for allowing this response.
And thank you Marissa!!
@W.Jones:
The first Zionist immigrants had arrived in late 19th century and not the 40's after the war. After the initial First, Second and Third Aliyas a core socialist-communist society has been established already, and that has formed the initial political and societal fabric of the early Israel ruling establishment. The refugees from the Holocaust and Arab countries were not more tolerant towards Arabs, and quite to the contrary, but their influence has been only established at late 70s and has been on the rise ever since. As for the Russian, I'd prefer former Soviet, Jews- their despise of the Arabs was based on their experience of Soviet support for the pan-arabic countries, PLO and Hamas, and Russian societal antisemitism. Simple and very powerful recipe for generating long and lasting hate. The younger generations, arriving at 90th, myself included was already disillusioned by the fall of anything communist-liberal related in their home countries, and were stricken by the terror waves of the suicide bombings and second intifada. Given all these factors it would be hard to imagine any mutual love appearing between both societies.
@Annie. I'll clarify- 10-15% of visa applicants are denied visas. Not the whole population.
@ Citizen. How is that Israel demonstrates a bad will? Do you know that about 10-15 % of Israelis are denied entry visas in US every year? This is ,by far exceeds the number of US citizens denied entry in Israel.
@W.Jones- it is true that the majority of them are inclined towards right-wing parties, but also the majority of Israel general public. Also, their first-hand experience of genuine forms of antisemitism enlightens them on the true nature of hostilities towards Jews and Israel. Younger generations of "Russians" are more variable in their political views, and represent all the spectra of Israeli politics.
In addition, the generous support of the Arab, Iranian and Palestinian causes, including Hamas and Hezbollah, by Russia does not increase the understanding amongst the former Soviet Jews.
Perhaps I should simplify - visa stamp does not permit the entry, the ACTUAL permit is in the sole discretion of the immigration officer of the country. Therefore the bill is merely a gesture, demonstrating a good will towards Israel and recognizing its citizens (Jews and non-Jews alike) as non-breaching the immigration policies and the restriction of United States. The hoopla around the "Palestinian" aspect of this bill is another one in the long stretch of pushing this issue in every single public discourse. There is a difference between pursuing the ideals and actual facts. Perhaps you could learn not to mix it.
You're a liar, Annie. Simple as it is.
"Travelers to the United States who have been denied entry into the United States, have been deported or removed, or have overstayed on a prior visit are not eligible to travel visa free under the Visa Waiver Program. They are required to apply for apply for B-1 or B-2 visas before traveling."
link to london.usembassy.gov
These dual Palestinian-US citizens can be denied entry as any other person, trying to enter Israel. Moreover, following Oslo accords, dual Palestinian citizens, as one who was born on West Bank or Gaza, or had obtained Palestinian citizenship later, are required to present their Palestinian passport and can be denied entry into Israel, while permitted entry into Gaza.
There is NO obligation to permit the unrestricted entry of US citizens and there will be no such obligation for the Israeli citizens as well. Visa waiver or visa issuance do not guarantee the entry in any state.
I think putting yourself at the same slot as Arendt is a bit preposterous, but let it be on your conscience.
I would like to comment on your remark: " I take positions in support of Palestinian justice, equality and freedom that are considered heretical within the Jewish mainstream." Nice touch, but why you would say the half-truth here.
The fact is that you, Weiss and Ajl argue for the sake of Palestinian rights, completely denying the rights of Israeli citizens, Jews and others, to live their life in pursuit of national aspirations. This effectively, and not theoretically, aligns you and aforementioned activists, with the sworn enemies of Israel, religious or nationalistic alike. That what makes you a traitor.
Criticize Israel till kingdom come, scrutinize it till your face turns blue, but you have to check your starting line. Yours lays with the enemies of ours, my State, that just had celebrate it's 65th birthday.
Human rights argument has to cut both ways, but here it is only applied towards the weak side. That's also fine with me, since I know that if things would turn otherwise, we Jews would be hunted down and living in constant fear.
It would be very much helpful, if the discussion or the wishful sophistics of the all the "liberal" and "progressive" crowd, could move beyond the games of borders and Israel legitimacy, right to exist and Jewish self-determination. Otherwise, since Israel is not going anywhere and only the crowds here slowly ageing and getting lost in their arguments, Palestinians are also losing their hope, false or real.
Get over the fact of Israeli presence on the map. Move on. Suggest something meaningful.
Otherwise, both Butler and others will be easily forgotten, as those who had argued so vocally against Zionist idea at the end of 19th and beginning of 20th centuries.
Have you lost any sign of shame, Annie? There is a ferocious hate and there was- do you know that a couple days ago was the anniversary of Fogel family butchered by two no-good low life's ? And what a surprise - they are Palestinian. Oh the awe, the shock... While you and other sympathize with Palestinian cause, you forget that killings of Jews are personal also. And you are trying to sell the one-state bollocks to us, Israelis who saw blood, tears and vile hatred indeed? You are delusional and indeed make all this a very sad situation.
Protesters do not throw Molotov cocktails.
@Cliff.
I'm going to reply to you only this time.
First of all, you should start behaving more politely if you wish for your point to be heard. Second, do not judge others by your own standards of cleverness or stupidity-you don't know me. And third, he is not a journalist, he is not a naive tourist and you are not a progressive/leftist -otherwise we would be having different conversation here.
And lastly- you are welcomed to visit Israel any time, but I dont think you'll like it there- there would be too much "gray" areas for your taste.
Some common sense is in order here- calling yourself a photojournalist it's a stretch, since there are 30,000 "journalists" like you on the website. Just a photo activistic freelancer would be more appropriate. Therefore suddenly you become just a British citizen involved in anti- Israeli activities in London, making you a subject for detention and deportation solely on the basis of Israeli authorities discretion.
Sad story indeed, but I think Mr. Kane and Ms. Deger can provide more than enough of this kind of "journalism" on your behalf from Israel and Palestinian territories.
Stay warm in London.
Because everyone is sick of that and it doesn't lead anywhere.
@hophmi. I concur and happy Passover to you.
"I’m sorry, but I’ll have to report this matzoh breach to the national offices of Jewish Voice for Peace,” I dutifully declared."
LMFAO ROTFL. Whew, what a fun reading.
Wow, just wow. The low levels this site sinks to are just astonishing-especially publishing this post on the PASSOVER EVE!
How many Jews are too much for you? One, two, maybe a dozen? You obsession with us, Jews, is the one of the key features of the pathological social antisemitism that creeps through every hole on this site. How mighty have fallen.
You've been watching too many Star Wars movies.
Agreed, Annie-any launch of rockets has its explanation in "evil" actions of Israel. Now, just any incident with Palestinians should trigger the rocket launch. Hell, let's make the same rules for us-one stone hit equals one rocket from Israel. Happy now?
"further to a stone-throwing incident earlier that morning, the military apprehended 27 minors, including at least 14 under the age of 12"
Stone throwing seems to be a favorite pastime in Palestinian schools...
They've also launched several rockets from Gaza- just for fun , you know. So they wouldn't be forgotten during the visit.
@Seafoid. Did you even read my comment?
@Mr. Weiss:
""He did speak directly to the Arabs and ignore the Israelis" in 2009 Cairo speech."
This is a falsehood. Obama spoke a lot about Israel in that Cairo speech; by my count he mentioned Israel or Israelis 23 times!"
Well as often as it happens on THIS blog it is a truthful as it gets!
Look at the mirror.
@Cliff. Laughing again-thank you for the mind reading and the conspiracy overload.
@Annie:. There must be a special commando unit that goes inside the Ramallah center and paints those things on the beloved POTUS face...
I am officially crying from laughter now. God bless.
"Bethlehem: Swastikas on Obama billboard
Dozens of Bethlehem residents vandalize large billboard bearing image of US president, stress that Obama would not receive warm welcome during Friday visit"
link to ynetnews.com
This is because of the occupation obviously...
@kalithea . And you may choke on that indeed.
"In the life of nations, as in the life of individuals, there are vital moments which rarely recur, and which, according as they are utilized or not utilized, decisively affect their future. We are now passing through such a moment. The consciousness of the people is awake. The great ideas of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries have not passed us by without leaving a trace. We feel not only as Jews; we feel as men. As men, we, too, wish to live and be a nation as the others. And if we seriously desire that, we must first of all extricate ourselves from the old yoke, and rise manfully to our full height. We must first of all desire to help ourselves and then the help of others is sure to follow."
Leon Pinsker " Auto emancipation ", 1882
This is the core Zionism for you here. Rinse and repeat.
link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org
I guess being bitter and judged by others ( or feeling like one) is the perquisite of being good anti-Zionist liberal mind.
I'll pass on that.
"Circumstances of death: Vague, in one of the Israel Occupation jails.."-That is exactly what is written in the report?
Sweet, maybe a Hebrew original would be better, instead of that BS.
@Annie. Are you serious that a visit can be scheduled by a court in Israel? Come on Annie!
At least they are talking and not shooting each other.
"30-year-old Jaradat had six broken bones in his neck, spine, arms and legs."-was he hit by the car or fell down from the 3 floor of the building?
What an utter nonsense and hype. Truly a very miserable sight. Please keep supporting the lies dear commentators, you make the Palestinian dreams even more distant.
And Annie-get some facts straighten up before you "report" them, you're as eager to run and tell everyone as a 5-year old who just discovered a really cool bug at the nearby bush.
@Annie-you are hysterical and over-hyped, Annie. People die in detention -it happens. Whether he died due to his health issues, negligence of prison authorities or even because of some sort of physical and emotional stress-its' to the investigators to determine. Thankfully it's not up to you or any other cheerleaders here.
So there is no way that that guy had some health issues, that got complicated due to stress or anything else?
Ah, the crowd-news and people's "common" knowledge ... How I could've missed that "fact". But of course if thousand of people ( actually couple of hundreds) repeat same BS its must be the truth. Good luck with that. Again, thank you Annie for your presense here, your "factual" reporting and current analysis. Next time you should tell us which "crimes" Israel is going to commit in near and far future from now.
@annie.
And you know that because a little bird told you so?
OMG- really!!!? No way....
@Annie. From time to time I'm so glad that you are here, Annie. If you weren't here- they should have made you up!
Especially when it comes to whom determines whether person is Jewish or not. Also thank you for calling me antisemite. I really appreciate that-I think it is a first time in my life I was called as one. Having experienced it through my life makes your response even more special to me.
I don't have any clues about Phil's "imprint" and its Jewish values, perhaps he thinks that he has some or perhaps he does not. What I do know for a fact, is that his actions and views lead to the erasure and perversion of Jewish history, and this blog provides a breeding ground for all kind of antisemitic, anti-"Zionist" trash. That is a fact.
Thousands of Jews have died and suffered for the creation of Jewish state or for the freedom to live according to their religious views, without the shadow of the "enemy within" being cast upon them. Claiming that the creation of Israel is wrong and should be reversed-that is a denial of Jewish history.
Even if a person is a secular Jew, history tells us that he is not protected from antisemitism and distrust, rooted in any Western or Arab society, regardless whether it was 200 or 1 year ago. It is still there-alive and as ugly as they come.
Therefore by cherrypicking the facts of American Jewry actions during the Civil Rights Struggles and by denying the suffers of other "Ostjuden", and saying that their dreams and hopes, and sacrifices are worthless or even evil-that is just wrong, my dear Annie.
Parents do not make you a Jew, Annie- they just provide you with the direction, genetic and cultural, and you always chose whether to follow or forget about it.
My guess is that logic and common sense are disposable, when it comes to the pompous righteousness:
"In my name"-nothing is done in your name.
"My people"- your people are as diverse as any country on Earth.
Also being Jewish does not equals being religious person ( as your "Christian" state buff) or white for the same reason.
It is the history and culture what makes us Jews as the nation and not the religion-but you wouldn't know either.
Your loss only.
Keep on barking at the wrong tree... In fact I insist on it.
So wait, the house is built on the land that belongs to Jews that fled, and there is a problem with the eviction of the illegal buildings ?
Fools.... Military intelligence chasing peppers. Only in Lebanon- torn and paranoidal society.
@Annie. If the goal is to cut the military budget-it does make sense to appoint Hagel. As for the rest- it wouldn't make much difference.
I would like to chime in. Although I don't know enough of American politics that whole thing looks blown up beyond its value and puts in ridiculous light both sides here. Let us assume that Hagel will get the job- what's next?
Will he confront Israel- he won't for the sake of his job and party support. Will he prevent direct confrontation with Iran, if they get to the final stages of enrichment and assembly of nuclear warhead- he won't, and not because of the great love for Israel and it's people, but because Saudis, Qataris and other Gulf States and Iran- bordering countries will be sweating their robes out of fear and begging for US help.
So where it leaves the current brawl over Hagel nomination- pure politics for local consumption on both sides, and cheering from the useful idiots, happy to jump to the anti- Israel wagon.
Also, if I would follow the logics of this site- which is hard enough already, Israel will not avoid striking Iran, since it is a "common knowledge" here that we are crazy and Masada- obsessed people there.
So Hagel just a cause for lots of words and little consequences.
20 years ago it was far more brutal and direct that it may be now.
" as people of color, they weren't welcome in Israel."- what a nonsense, wrapped in Christmas spirit! And yes 7200 Bnei Menashe will surely make a demographic shift Israel needs so badly. Sigh...
Just a small questions- how you make a hotel to be a settlement? Just explain the logic here, please.
Whose being, Mooser?
Moving to the next subject- Kerry for the Secretary of State. Any thoughts?
First, thank you for the posting. Second, does anyone feels like retracting their statements?
You have also forgot to mention that Sodastream has been listed at NASDAQ
link to finance.yahoo.com
Have you or Codepink ladies, have sent them a letter?
"the dogs bark, but the caravan goes on".
You slap any soldier in the world you'll be dead at instant-why Israel would be different then? And staying on the subject, Israel is different, since the amount of people dead vs. the amount of attacks on soldiers, police officers and security forces, is quite low.
Teenage soldier, as the Marines or any other 18 year-old conscripts? Sometimes I just watch in awe your ability to distort the facts, to get another slur at Israel direction.
@ Annie. You still think that it is so easy to pull a trigger?
That's a very bad choice of words. Even for you.
"Yokel" is a great word indeed. Also there is simpleton, hillbilly or fallah, if you insist on staying at the Middle Eastern grounds. All meant in modern language to diminish and to dismiss intellectual ability or finesse from the described person. However, and it may come as a surprise here, lots of these guards, and me and lots of my friends included, may have college and university degrees, or are studying towards them. It's just a job and nothing else. Same as the Western person being a bouncer in the club or bartender somewhere.
But the core question remains: while there is a lot of patronizing towards Palestinians, and Arabs in general, which is deplorable and shameful, does it make an OK to do the same for the Israelis here? And please stop pretend that it's a minuscule thing here- every post there are comments about "whining" and "moaning" Israelis ( read Jews).
Elitism, backed by privileged upbringing and some sense of mission, can backfire easily.
The frigging passage doesn't explain the "yokel" quote. Back off.
Let me remind your observations about Israel:
link to mondoweiss.net
"You can see the guards in this photo. They're the two dark figures at the center, under the red-clay tile roof. They're not soldiers. My friend and I later talked to them. One was a yokel with a wispy blond beard, and a semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder. The other was a tough, darkhaired woman in a jacket. Settlers."
Yokel, right? And the woman must be a settler.
Both of you are the opposite branches of the same tree- arrogant, educated, preposterous and patronizing intelectual elite. White and American to the core. Being Jewish just complicates it for you.
There is no entry for the Israelis to Area A. Perhaps you would like to rephrase the post.
Aljazeera - link to aljazeera.com
Just watch the video.
Exactly what? The men were hanging on the fence and got shot after 3 warning shots and numerous shoutings. I wonder why he wasn't shot at the first bullet, since the rules of engagement are quite clear there.
Every Israeli whines and complains, Mooser? Jewish, Arab or Druze Israeli or anyone particular ?
I don't know what "kvetch" means. Please explain it to me.
Small correction-2 were soldiers, 3 were sitting at the kitchen table, having breakfast in their morning clothes. Happy now?
Ah, the wonders of the 'unbiased" semantics here- "a bus exploded in Tel Aviv near the office of Avital Leibovich, the official Israel military spokesperson".
How cute, just if you disregard the fact that was civilian bus, carrying civilian population, on the civilian route, in the middle of the city, near shopping centers, hospitals, schools etc.
Yuck indeed.
Truth hurts, isn't it?! How about counter arguments for Palestinians, especially in Gaza, not enforcing martyrdom. I'll be very grateful to see some- it would show for me that not everything is a lost cause there.
And Israel allows 170 trucks of medical supplies and food-the question is, which is more helpful?
Perhaps you should've read the whole article:
"Defence Minister Ehud Barak told reporters Israel was not prepared to forgive and forget following four days of violence.
"The matter has definitely not ended and we will decide how and when to act at the time when there will be a need," he said."
So not a word here about IDF officer arm being blown off or tunnel filled with explosives? And the actual reason why tanks and bulldozers went in, being to clear IEDs near the fence? Nothing? Something? Or it's just another conspiracy post here?
Duely noted , Alison. Thank you.
You should also visit Sderot and tell the readers about your fear or bravery there. Just for the comparison.
There is no data center in Tel Aviv and no Mossad tracking on any of you here. Grow up.
4 IDF soldiers wounded, two of them critically. That's no BS to you.
Another fairy tale- the world "oldest" tree?!!
And just for the notion here- separation barrier follows the 1949 armistice lines at Faqua. Just open Google Earth and look for yourself.
@atheist:
In the wiki article there are 20 countries with right of return issues-Israel will not accept it due to the simple fact that it would end it's existence. Take that band-aid off quickly and a lot of problems will become a solutions.
@cloak
Israel is a sovereign state- read and repeat until you get it. There are around 100 of states getting US support but I don't see you boiling over there independent policies. China holds US by it's cojones and you pipe it down about their policies.
@MarkF- I see "your" tax dollars going everywhere around the globe, but it doesn't mean that you can tell me how to run my INTERNAL affairs. Shove it deep and do not show it to anyone, please-it's embarrassing.
Does claim of nation capital has to come from the outside or from the country itself? I don't think so. Yes it may not be recognized by UN de jure but de facto every single ambassador or head of state goes to Jeruslaem and meets our officials there. There is a law but there is the application of it. Jerusalem is and will remain the capital of Israel- like it or not. Once you swallow that pill the rest might be easier also.
President Robinson and the rest of the party should mind their own country business and not go to the capital of another state, and while staying there tell how to run municipal affairs of it!!! Especially when it comes to the Irish President. Israel has become a political safari tour for every activist or fool, who thinks that he has the solution, proclaims them and then leaves. Mind your own country business and stay away from my capital, my state and my nation. Start respecting my history and my perspectives before lecturing me about yours.
But the point was that they were starving? Please choose whatever nonsense you would like to promote- either they are starving or they are growing in scary pace and that would scare Israel or something. I see this as the problem for Egypt not Israel.
Gaza growth rate - 3.108% vs. US growth rate- 0.899%. Some starvation I say and this article belongs to the trash can before it was typed in.
@Shmuel and MRW:
You are trying to pull in then argument about Palestine connection with Jewish tradition in order to get some reasoning for arguing that Palestine is the Jewish place to be and not Israel. However, it goes against the factual sources that acclaim Jewish culture being preserved both in Palestine and anywhere else, regardless of the geographical locations of Jewish communities. Israel as a Jewish nation state accomplishes the goal of self-identification for Jews, which allows bringing back the traditions and books within the right geography, culture and society. Palestine was a name for the area and not for a state, same is Rashi commentary to Talmud cannot and is not considered to be French Talmud Commentary, same goes for the Palestinian Talmud.
@Shmuel- what a joke you are:
Palestine Soup.
"Soup made of Jerusalem artichokes. This is a good example of blunder begetting blunder. Jerusalem artichoke is a corruption of the Italian Girasole articiocco—i.e. the “sunflower artichoke.” From girasole we make Jerusalem, and from Jerusalem artichokes we make Palestine soup".
link to bartleby.com
Palestinian Aramaic- perhaps there was a Palestinian Temple or Palestinian Sanhedrin or Palestinian towns of Zippori? Cut the crap, please.
@Shmuel- just out of my curiosity, where I could find an edition of Palestinian Talmud??! I know about Talmud Bavli and Talmud Erushalmi, and never heard about the Palestinian Talmud.
@ Walid. I think it's one of my rare comments about your post and about Jewish subject in general, without any regard to Israel or Palestine.
@Walid- I'm sorry you've lost me here.
Your quote not mine:"what made you think my refering to him as a Spanish Jewish immigrant was a fault"- he is not Jewish. Therefore bringing the false fact to the argument makes your argument worthless and promoting the incitement against "Muslim-hating/persecuting Jew". Simple as that. Judging by the "cavalry" support shown here- I make a valid point.
You see, Walid, the sad fact is that Mr. Valls is not Jewish but you are as racist as it can be. His only "fault" is to be married to Jewish woman.
@Tree. If you would actually read the article in LA times you'd see the following quotes:
"Nationwide, an estimated 19% of medical school students are Arab, according to a 2009 parliamentary study. The ratio is in line with Israel's Arab population, which is about 20%, and is impressive considering Arabs account for just 9% of the total number of university students and about 6% of government employees."
And the aforementioned student "suspects" that his is not getting in because his Arab. Maybe he is only an unfit person, regardless of being Arab?
It is the same nonsense is when a black student claims he's being "profiled" at EVERY occasion something goes against his expectations. Grow up.
Only today was in the news all ove Israel that 19 years-old Arab student from Galil got the highest score on entrance tests and got into the medical school in Hebrew Unversity in Jerusalem- so much for the discrimination. And what law school is the young student from the article goes to? The list goes on but also passing the blame also never stops. Grow up and start building your society.
@eljay- She could vote for Israel Communist party (HADASH) or for MERETZ, or for any Arab-based parties( 3 in total). So here are the 5 choices-how many do you have in your country?
@Shmuel- Please explain to me how the party, which denies the Basic Laws f the State, can wish to be elected or allowed to participate in the elections to the parliament of the same state? I will go further than that- I presume that upon their election, these parties would claim salary payments from the same State and government that they do not recognize? You should learn from Neturei Karta Jews- they do not recognize State of Israel, do not vote and do not get governmental payments and services. You can't hold a stick by both ends.
"Electoral engineering"-it's a fancy word indeed, except 130 or 95 or even 64 years ago there were no such ideas, just plain Jews vs. Arabs wars.
@Elephantine-you may keep the change... I think without the aid Israel would be better.
@Piotr. Than leave us alone, for heaven's sake. Deal with your intolerance and hate, xenophobia and economy. And suddenly when left alone, both Israel and Palestine will recognize, that it's better to work together.
@Shmuel.
"she lives in an ethnocracy that limits her electoral choices"- how exactly are her choices limited? She's prohibited to vote for any particular party? Are there any parties, who deny the rights of Israel as a Jewish State being banned from participating in elections? She can vote for anyone she seems fit and no one will tell her what to do. However, the majority of VOTERS still prevail over her personal and political beliefs, making her accusations of "regime" silly and infantile.
"As for “high browed speeches”, do you mean that people like Nurit Peled should try to manipulate public fears and prejudices"-
I do believe that if Mrs. Peled would like to do something meaningful for a change, she would recognize that by placating the majority of people in Israel as hate-filled racists and indoctrinated mob, she does not help either her cause nor the cause of Palestinians. However, I becoming fully convinced that her actions and the actions of others "good" Israelis (by the local definitions here) are for the self-promotion and the ongoing publicity.
Regime?!!! Go and vote- and don't complain if you loose. Go and convince the public in Israel- and don't ask for foreign money and mouthpieces. Forget your morning coffee and start talking to general public, instead of high browed speeches.