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Thank you.
Funny.
There is no place for sober reaction here- people are afraid and desperate. I condemn any sort of racism and xenophobia. However this situation is a result of neglect and avoidance.
Say again?
You didn't get the sarcasm here. Sorry -I've should used a quotation marks.
So the title :
Video: Israeli mob demands all African refugees be deported from the country (and anyone who disagrees deserves to be raped)
Is true to the nature of events? Or perhaps was quick to judge, as usual here?
How about UK- visited any deportation centers recently? Your righteousness is showing, dear.
Again most of them are migrants and not asylum seekers. Same laws apply to them as in EU ( deportation centers throughout the union) and US ( ICE anyone?).
I am responding just to point to the fact that your comment shows clearly the lack of any knowledge about these people in video and those who protested last summer.
And who would be the angels here- you perhaps?
The video is about human fears and behavior. Do you support illegal immigration ? Why should they- just because of being Jewish? Would you like to give up your neighborhood for illegal immigrants to live in? Or maybe from the height of elitist club in Yale these thing look small and not as important , than keeping the standart of Jewish morality flying high. The curse and the blessing of Jews is that they tend to forfeight "common" problems in pursue of higher and more nobel goals- say Tikun Olam, Revolution, Zionism or whatever. Keeping the healthy balance is critical here- that's why there is no place for righteousness and false "horror" as presented in this article and comment section.
Stupid comment- serious answer: most of their parents came from Arab and Norh African countries, you call them Mizrahi.
As always eager to judge and jump the righteousness gun here. Oh my, those horrible, horrible Jews!!! How dare are they!
Except that all those who protect mostly economical migrants from Africa forget to care about the poores citizen of their own state, being Israel. If the things are so bad and gruesome - why there is a minister from South Sudan asking Israel to keep them for couple years more?
You are always happy to beat the old drum of "horrible" Israel- it begins to sound like it is a worst place to be. Except it is not- and that is why there are more than 50 thousand migrants living in Israel now.
Keep your pity and horror for other things- let us deal with our problems.
Maybe you should wear a helmet then. And I feel that most of the commentators here are old and bitter. That's a good news.
Suddenly everyone here became experts in Judaism.
Whether I'm simple or not- it's not relevant here. Neither your "metaphoric" explanations of Torah. It is a matter of beliefs. The question is where lays his Jerusalem-here on land or somewhere in the sky.
Judaism has evolved around being both metaphorical, when speaking of matters beyond human understanding, all very practical and methodical when it came to the matters of everyday life. Deny the right of any of these branches to exist and be participated in is a denial of Jewish history, it's sacrifices and memory.
Tell my rabbi-do you pray : "לשנה הבאה בירושלים הבנויה" ?
And if you do-what does it mean to you.
Except when you shoot the fire starts in front of you not BEHIND you, Annie.
Have an awesome day.
Awesome-thank you .
What made me ignore your comment-it was your notion of why the settlers were walking by/approaching the village? Otherwise it is quite obvious to everyone here that Jews and settlers should stay home an do not provoke peaceful Palestinians, who ,God forbid, may get so frustrated that they start throwing stones. But why to judge them, since there are just human, while evil settlers were walking in their eyesight, plotting more land grab and to steal the water.
Sarcasm aside, I do not see either party setting fires, however in the first video I do see one party (settlers) trying to extinguish it, while being stoned by the large group of Palestinians. My first comment stands.
The video shows fires being extinguished at the background by the settlers and Palestinians attacking them. It also shows active defensive actions, including aiming and shooting by the member of security forces (IDF and civil security teams), protecting civilians trying to extinguish fires. It also shows a significant number of Palestinian civilians, all men, throwing stones. Welcome to the real world.
Awesome stuff-it surely beats the cover of Time!!!!!
link to globalspin.blogs.time.com
The joke is on you, Phillip, and your followers.
With regards from Bar Rafaeli-link to sportsillustrated.cnn.com
The one who denies Jews any national aspirations- he's antisemite.
The one who claims special political, economical and social privileges to Jews- he's antisemite.
The one who denies Holocaust or reasons it on the behavior of Jews- he's antisemite.
The one who claims that all great evils (e.g. Nazism and Communism) where organized, supported and perpetrated solely by Jews- he's antisemite.
The one who proclaims that all major media is controlled by Jews- he's antisemite.
The one who "studies" Protocols of Zion and is willing to discuss them in modern context- he's antisemite.
The one who takes a count of how many Jewish vs. Palestinian victims were killed since the establishment of Israeli state- he's the one.
The one who picks only one aspect of Judaism for his goals ,while discarding all the historical, religious and social history of it- he's antisemite.
I've visited Germany twice, one visit very recently. I've enjoyed it very much-but I do not see myself living there for life. That would be very difficult for me if not impossible.
Correction is in place here-Jews are coming to Germany, mostly from former Soviet republics. Israelis are coming as anywhere else for traveling, business and education-it is called open economy. As for the permanent relocation to Germany, I very much doubt that they would do so. Anyhow this argument is really stupid since Israelis define themselves by living in Israel. Having additional citizenship makes it easier to travel. I do not have any other passport beside Israeli one.
Really? That's a good sign- it means that a man thinks for himself.
75% of Israelis are born in modern Israel. Your argument is as silly as it gets.
Neah, nobody is insane enough in Israel to take it back.
You're assuming correctly- I wish they would open the border. Good riddance for us in Israel.
It is not a rhetorical question-it is a core question. My take-Gaza is just another leverage for Egypt over Israel and nothing more. All this talk about the humanitarian crisis could be silenced once the border will be pry opened. But it is yet to happen.
Read the post day before that.
I respectively disagree-it'll mark the slow immersion of Gaza under Egypt control. Any Palestinian state form will emerge in West Bank only. Nobody wants Gaza under its control, but Egypt would have no choice but govern it in order to prevent Islamist rebellion at his borders. On the other side, should Islamist have the complete power in Egypt it would make even more sense for them to "extent" their protection upon Gaza from all those war mongers in Jerusalem.
LMFAO and ROTFL- simultaneously. Good job, Phil. You've shown the true faces of those evil Egyptian Zionists.
What is the percentage of taxes payed by the Palestinians vs. Jews in Jerusalem- 20% vs 72 %.
Just to point that many have tried, including the Palestinians, but failed. Maybe talking and working together will help, but if you like to "smash my windpipe"-please come over.
Oh sweet Annie, please do not put the words in my mouth-I'm still capable of speaking for myself. There is no lust or racism here, the use of these words here make no sense at all. You and your comrades here lay down the righteous path for Israel to leave Palestinians alone, while arguing for the total BSD of any Israeli goods, cultural, scientific and tourism exchange. In your fury over the plight of poor Palestinians you seem to forget that ALL their livelihood depends on Israel. So far no country in the world has no ability to help them on their path to statehood except Israel. No Jordan, Egypt, Syria or anyone else can help on that. The have so much of their own problems now.
Nice touch.
Great-total BDS it is!!! Should we as Israelis to stop supplying goods to Gaza and PA? Let the hunger games begin!
Just out of curiosity-how old are you Woody? The terms such as "colonial" are very much 50's or 60's of the last century.
Aren't we angry today?
India also should STFU?
Is it just a knee-jerk reaction or more symptomatic case of myopia when it comes to Israel-related and non-related issues? Egypt controls Rafah crossing, it has cancelled gas sales to Israel, it's presidential candidates calling for the renouncement of Camp David agreements, Israel embassy is virtually closed, the lowest number of Israelis visit Sinai etc. But still Israel is to blame for Egypt not issuing the travel permits?!
Are you serious and would like to be taken as an educated person beyond the cozy groupies here? And please, do not invoke the US aid to Egypt and Zionist lobby power over it, otherwise I would argue that Zionist lobby has their grip on the Egyptian government, it's military and on the half-a-dozen other states (e.g. Pakistan) who receive US aid financial and military support. Sounds ridiculous, isn't it? But that is exactly the conclusion one may reach after reading your piece here.
Just let go it, would you? Let the man to rest. Why is this bothering you? Maybe because his life meant something in history of Israel and his works will live on?
Very good comment. Thank you Samuel.
Yuk!
That comment summarizes your entire essence, Annie.
Excessive gloating and joy over someone death are the signs of anything but the liberalism and progressive mind. Should've just ignore it, but you couldn't hold yourself, Phil? Ben Zion Netanyahu was one of the greatest Jewish leaders and scholars, building Israel and giving his country and Jewish people more than all of you combined here.
Thank you very much.
What is exactly the point of the post here? Why is the remembrance is bad? How is that if the victims killed because of them being Jewish are less of the value than the soldiers? What is your idea of remembrance-should it be separated? Who deserves more -a soldier or a civilian?
Everyone does-Jew , Arab or anyone else who has Israeli ID
I laughed and laughed, and kept on laughing while reading this post. After wiping a blessed tears from my eyes, I've decided to respond. Here it is:
First, after 2005 there is no ethnicity being mentioned in the ID card. But that is a minor error. The big one is that it just shows how delusional the poster is and how detached is he from the real world both Israelis and Palestinians live in. How about if I tell you that a majority of Israelis can tell whether the person is Jewish, Arab or Bedouin just after shortly speaking and looking at them? The ID issue is the problem here? The differences between people are huge starting from the cultural to the social aspects of their life. Even among the Palestinians themselves there are a huge gaps between East Jerusalem residents, Schem, Jenin and Gaza for that purpose.
By all means divest! Please I'm asking you to- maybe then all the pretence of "mutual peace" loving Methodist christians can be droped and you'll align yourself with an anti-Israel coalition.
link to huffingtonpost.com
A little humbleness for you, Piotr, would be nice. You know, as a proud Polish guy like you, there are so many stories about Jews in Poland you must be ashamed of. Or aren't you? Maybe before posting a long comments about Jews, Judaism and history of my people, you could go back to your own roots and gain the understanding why Jews need their state, why and how they were persecuted in Poland and what made them leave. Telling that Israelis are stupid does says a lot about yourself, rather than makes a point for discussion.
If we are doing the "If" scenarios-may I call the moment when Iran makes a first nuclear test, "Abierno Moment"? Just asking.
I haven't said a word approving his actions
There are so many different stories in modern Israel- being Sabra is just a part of them.
She didn't say anything about all Danes and their kin-she said that this episode makes her feel somehow avenged for the Holocaust horrors and helplessness that we, Jewish people, feel every time we think about what had happened there. There were lots of good citizens of Denmark but there were bad as well-the memories of both are still alive in Yad vaShem memorial.
Sod off, Annie. It makes a perfect sense and I did not forced Phil to post on that topic today.
You are some piece of work- somehow you've managed to compare civilian casualties during war conflict to the deliberate targeting of civilian population, regardless of absence of any military activity happening. Good one- on the eve of the Remembrance Day in Israel.
I'm harsh and hardened by the realities in Israel. True that but it has nothing to do with the post here.
Does the urge of revenge has to be acquired only through actual Holocaust experience?
It has a duty to protect the civilian population of Israel, while maintaining the law in Judea and Samaria. Eisner actions were stupid for both purposes.
Yes-and that is exactly what have happened there. It was a huge failure of judgement by their senior commanding officer at the scene. Do you think when a IDF soldiers being confronted on the daily basis, do not feel the urge to smack down that guy? They are not robots and are allowed to have every spectrum of human emotion. However, this event should emphasize to you or anyone else, how rare those instances are-otherwise all these ISM members and anarchists would be collecting their teeth from the first encounter with IDF.
Do you see me defending the actual act of Lt. Col. Eisner- it was a very stupid and bad decision of his.
How is that outrageous? Does having strong emotional context when something like this happens is wrong? Does Jewish vengeance and need for revenge are wrong? Not everyone are pacifists when it comes to the context of Holocaust and what European antisemitic culture had to do with that.
Good one. Thanks for the link.
It seems that the author mixes two things-general Arab hate of Jews (outside of Palestine borders) and local Palestinian struggle for their civil rights. Have those two factors being dissociated- much progress could be made and perhaps solution's could be found.
Wearing a kippah does not count as a political statement. I think this time you went too far for the gigs. This is a disgusting comment of yours. Shame on you.
How many times you need to be explained, Annie-there are no "Jewish" only roads! There are roads for Israeli movement, regardless of their nationality, and for the Palestinians, having the permits to travel. Stop reacting-start thinking.
If someone tries to grab a soldier from behind or even lays a hand on his gun- he would be shot on site. These "peaceful" activists should consider themselves very much lucky. The police weren't even wearing the riot gear- so much for the attack!
You should also try- Mish mushkulah.
The went to die-bravely or not, they knew what's coming their way. Sometime looking for a death is a sign of desperation but for what I know, it can be also the sign of stupidity.
Thank you for the new attribute for me- a devil incarnate. And after we done with the exorcism, let us read:
Migrant deaths along the Mexico–United States border
link to en.wikipedia.org
"The suspect, who was shot and killed Tuesday night near San Ysidro Port of Entry, was throwing rocks at the agents when he was shot and killed officials said"
link to nbcsandiego.com
Spain/Morocco: Migrants shot dead at the border fence, Spain deploys army
link to statewatch.org
At first I thought there was no warning, then as the tale unfolds, soldiers were waiving with their hands and showing thumbs up?
Anyhow, we you are approaching military installation, placed on the sovereign land, with wrongful intent-you'll be shot. Period-no warning, no negotiations and no BS. That is how I and other soldiers were and still are trained.
Mind you, Hamas police knows that very well, since they were trying to prevent those"kids" on going closer to the crossing. Also these "kids" are within the same age as the IDF soldiers, but somehow are considered 'innocent" whereas every IDF regular soldier is always sinister and brainwashed.
So what if he got hit by the canister? Why it is so important to muzzle about for 3 days in a row? You to protest towards military checkpoint-expect to be tear-gassed, hit by the rubber bullet and, God forbid ,canister! What is wrong here- is he a child or mentally incompetent person?
Wrong translation.
גילוי עריות means not just rape but any prohibited sexual relationships, including incest, sex between brother and sister, sex between married woman and non-married man and vice versa, sex between any first relationship family members. So why stop at the "permit on rape" accusation, Phil?
This is one of three mortal sins in Judaism, punishable by death. So the only plausible explanation for the meaning was " having sex" and not "raping" with another woman, whether she was married or not. Moreover, there is no mentioning about forcing the woman to have sex with the soldier.
link to he.wikipedia.org
USSR voted also in favor. There was a deal there too?
So is Japan and the whole bunch of European countries. Dream on.
And what is that, exactly?
@Annie
link to haaretz.com
"You are marching against the state," Michaeli shouted at Majadele, who answered back, "Shut up." He then added, "She won't shut me up. This is not Yisrael Beiteinu. Fascism will not be allowed to take over the house." Michaeli replied, "It is disrespectful to the status of women in the Knesset. We will discuss the matter in the Ethics Committee."
Happy much?
It is not 'the most trusted source'- and that's my point exactly.
He was dosed with water for his chauvinist remarks towards female MK Mikhaeli, not for some human rights defense. Nice try, though.
It shows the bias and, although it is rarely admitted here, it is present throughout the postings. With this approach nothing anything that is said here is meaningless.
Conveniently, you've omitted Raleb Majadle ( Labor party) and Idan Gilon (Meretz) from the list of Israeli MK's.
Here is the original article:
"The panel included Knesset members Ofir Akunis (Likud), Lia Shemtov (Yisrael Beitenu) and Faina Kirshenbaum (Yisrael Beitenu), as well as Raleb Majadle (The Labor Party) and Ilan Gilon (Meretz)"
link to brandeis4palestine.wordpress.com
My question is-who do you think your readers are, Adam?
"and that those people were utterly quiet as Mustafa Barghouti described apartheid"-this is the key part in the report here. Not shouting out the opponents, not doing mic checks, not screaming slogans. Listening and thinking, and that's why Olmert was there. But mist in the eyes blurs the view.
Ok, I get it. That's why we are opening a fourth embassy in China.
link to israelgateway.com
Good luck and best wishes to Morocco on its enlightened path.
People of Morocco have nothing else to do than chase out the Israeli diplomat? Poverty, unemployment, corruption-all is meaningless when compared to that "urgent" issue. What a circus.