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That is so low that there is no point to go deeper. Well done Mooser, you smart and sharp man you!
Not he is not, neither me.We both served our country - proudly and still willing to serve. A will to serve a cause is always stronger and cannot be explained by some "indoctrination". Jews can not rely on anyone for their security except for themselves. And please do not bring the usual crap about US aid etc. The same aid goes to Saudis, Egyptians or anyone else who is within US interest. We have learned our history lessons- the question is will our opponents learn as well.
Just a day ago there was an article here about "trivializing the Holocaust" and yes that is exactly what is done by this mockery.
And Happy New Year to you all here.
Yours Hasbara Central
link to youtube.com
Just of curiosity-how is the Technion discriminates an Israeli Arabs? You know, so you friend would be accused of making up things?
link to facebook.com
Which half-Israeli Arabs or the Palestinians?
You forgot the Altalena? It was a pretty big deal and still is.
It is called democracy. Only peaceful and united is the cemetery.
But you are welcomed to stay wherever your are and live your nice life.
Where is the double standard, Annie?
"Barak: Israel must treat Jewish extremists like a terror group".
link to haaretz.com
"IDF soldiers should have shot rioting Jewish extremists, MK says"
link to haaretz.com
"Former IDF Chief Rabbi: If violence continues, I will leave Itamar settlement"
link to haaretz.com
"Army considering changing rules of engagement after many criticize soldiers' reaction to settler storming of base; attack understood by IDF as attempt to prevent evacuation of illegal outposts"
link to jpost.com
link to ynetnews.com
Rabbi shot by the IDF soldier who was following rules of engagement.
Since 06.07.1951
link to icrc.org
There were dealt by the police and mistakes were made as the Or commission has established, which was appointed by Israel government.
Is it a rhetorical question, Phil?
They would be dead within a 100 meters of the base.
However since they are not Israeli citizens, rules of engagement are completely different. And it is not a definition of the apartheid but a definition of a military law.
By attacking a military installment Palestinians are effectively becoming a enemy military combatants, and therefore are considered a legitimate target.
Israeli citizens who attack military base can not be defined as the enemy combatants, and IDF has no jurisdiction over them, leaving to the police to deal with them.
link to adh-geneva.ch
"Pimping"-that is great! Love it, just love it. Actually my day job is the production of Zionist MSM narrative. Here it's a pure hobby.
Yes of course, and we are also monitoring every activity via computer screens and mobile phones. Haven't you hared of CarrierIQ software?
Or Turkey crushing Israel, or mighty Egyptians sweeping the occupiers....
Sounds like 1956 again.
Because waiving a mighty fists in sunny California is not the same as in the Lebanon mud.
Oh I am not going anywhere-this place is a gold mine for me.
It's like gold rush in California and I am selling jeans and digging tools. You know, like a good old Jewish boy.
Hey Mooser, would you like to come to the Birthright tour or something- I could put a word for you...
I would like to congratulate Phil and his co-workers with a remarkable achievement.
This blog, upon the addition of Annie Robbins and continuous posts by Alex Kane and Max Ajl, who are deeply involved in developing the alternative or "truthful" version of the current events, particularly covering military, diplomatic and security aspects of them, has finally found its rightful place among the many conspiracy blogs, focused on blaming Israel and US for all the wrongs in the world.
From promoting political activism and self-defined liberal ideas to this.
What a pity.
But well, I guess Hasbara Central, me included, can now look for the additional targets.
I'm going to ask for a bonus for this Chanukah. Thanks.
Whereas Palestinians killing civilians including children and babies are freedom fighters, who try to "stay human" and are encouraged by the commenters here to continue their "just" and "lawful" struggle?
His death was unnecessary and cruel- that is true. However there are enough dead bodies on both sides without idiotic screaming about wiping out Israel and armed struggles. When you go and start confronting armed soldiers, you are aware of the fact that you may get shot. That would happen anywhere in the world. Getting a gas canister at the close range is dreadful and I am sure whoever fired it will give a full answer for it.
Getting stones at your head while being on duty can evoke very strong reaction from the individual and I hope that you realize that the soldiers/ police officers are human beings with same set of emotions.
Should IDF be as blood thirsty as described here no protester would be alive after 2 minutes in to the demonstration. Usual set of ammo is 192 bullets/ soldier- make your own math.
And another thing - every moron who wants to fight Israel does not help Palestinian cause at all, but nevertheless is welcomed to try.
Especially when the same comments come from the Israeli side- they are called blood-thirsty, indoctrinated Zionist warmongers.
So Annie-you post and comment your own post? How cool is that!
Israel is country located geographically in Middle East. You know-small things.
Game changers are like unicorn sightings-everybody speaks of it, no one has seen one yet.
Illusions here are grotesque and distorted. Reality constantly rubs the marry club here on their noses, prompting the renewed search for the next "game-changer".
Honestly, I am not that well informed in US politics. However, it does not change my question- how it is possible that all of US senators became "indoctrinated" by AIPAC. It seems as logical as the "intelligent design" theories.
Do you honestly believe that all of US senators are at the AIPAC pocket, and still think that people can listen to you seriously?
You deny the possibility of the independent thinking of the senators, hence projecting this to their voters. How is the life at the ivory tower, Phil? Are those stupid peasants who vote for the stupid senators being bothering you lately? Or perhaps your acceptance of the 99% does not go beyond their ability to vote, not speaking who they vote for?
I apologize for the question, but Alex how about retracting of some BS you wrote about Brejvik link to mondoweiss.net ?
Since the guy is schizophrenic and cannot stand the trial-does it mean you owe some erratum posted?
He died of syphilis complications.
Wonderful comment-especially upon Chanukah coming soon.
Mooser- you silly man. Not supporting their views does not mean that they are less Jewish than me or anybody else for that matter. Stop reacting-start thinking.
Anything against Israel is good-Phil was just happy to jump the to the occasion.
The fact is that Israel is one of the most feminist societies in world, where women can exercise their rights freely. Hence the backslash for the haredim, which I do not support at all.
Awesome remark!
Being called thug etc. is not enough- I must be mentally sick.
Ad hominem at it's best.
Have you met lots of Israelis?
Please! Pregnant woman got scanned at the checkpoint.
How many pregnant women get regular X-ray exams without much hype and outcry.
link to mayoclinic.com
Particularly, body scanners emits equal amount of radiation as 2 min of flight in commercial aircraft.
Save the holy rage and righteousness for things that actually matter.
It is good to know that you've figured out me out.
Here is the problem- surrender lexicon. How is that Israel has to make a concessions while Palestinian option is only to " surrender"? And don't bring the military inequality here, since obviously no one is looking for the full war.
Patronizing won't get you far.
Understanding why they fight is not equal for supporting their fight. It's 101 of basic strategic and tactic thought. I must assure you that there is no one in Israel who does not understand why the Palestinians fight, but there is a prevailing majority of the people who are willing to stand against it.
However, while Zionist movement was building their society as well as fighting, all Palestinians could come with was the military option. Funny enough the PA and Fayyad efforts to build something of a functioning framework get ridiculed here as the "collaboration".
Some much effort here is devoted to the support of "innocent" Palestinians, regardless of their deeds, and demonization of the Israelis, forgetting that it goes both ways, including the boycott option.
First, because they are not the majority in Israel.
And second, Phil views are skewed towards the Palestinian views and for what it worth, there is nothing wrong with it, but to present them as the ultimate truth and to try to build some solutions upon, that is a different story.
I do not hate any of the Palestinians, Arab or Muslim person. But should any of them choose to fight me or my country for whatever reason he has, my moral duty lays with protecting my country and my fellow citizens, including in case of Israel its Arab citizens as well.
Also I'd like to thank you for not bringing the Holocaust theme here.
Any serous comments here, Mooser?
Perhaps you've missed the last sentence of my post.
Without speaking Hebrew, "hating" the Zionists/Israelis and capable of interacting only with English-speaking Israelis or Palestinians-Phil has very narrow and distorted views, exemplified by the current piece. His compassion is reserved only the Palestinian victims, his mindset is the one sticking out at the Israeli landscape, showing escapism and "ghetto" feeling.
If regular Israeli reader would read it, as I did, Phil's ideas would have no influence since they are as detached from the daily lives of Israelis as the gun-waiving Bar-Mitzva trips mentioned here.
So basically what you are saying is that it is "OK" to use him as a source when it fits your narrative, and it is not when it shows "rabid Zionism" in it?
I thought that Morris was excommunicated here? And it is forbidden to use him as an adequate historic source, since he was and I quote:
"Yes, people are hurling accusations at Morris, but his version of events seems, well... Islamophobic." link to mondoweiss.net
Sderot is the town WITHIN the armistice line, recognized by ALL parties.
Just for your knowledge.
I call Israel "Palestinian-fighting " and "Palestinian-struggling" country. That's true in my opinion. How about miscarriages in Sderot?
That reporter got the press she wanted and Israel apologizes, good news story without any content regarding the actual situation in Israel and Palestine.
Oh my, oh my-pregnant woman got X-rayed by the evil IDF!!! So much drama, so much outcry. All based on dangerous mix of ignorance, Israel-bashing reflex and blatant hate.
She got less radiation exposure, and her fetus as well, than flying 10 min on the airplane- I presume she flew in to Israel, since she does not live there?
Does she speak Hebrew to know that she was laughed upon?
I also presume she ate and drank water in Gaza, without asking where it came from, what pesticide was used and where the water came from as well.
Get over it-people are dying all over , Fogel family killer got convicted, Katyushas fired on Israel north, and all you care about some reporter with adrenaline rush, who wanted some "exposure"?!
I'm truly sorry, but care to explain it to me in plain English, please?
That's a blatant lie! None of the Arab parties have any parts of theirs platform devoted to the '"right of return".
What a pile of pseudo- intelectual manure!!! And to add to the insult- the use of " when I was an undergraduate at Harvard". Perhaps you should've taken more classes or spend more time reading at Widener,rather than burning your brain with some theories of lesser value than fairy tales and King Arthur stories.
Several points to that:
Iraqi Jews and Iranian Jews.
Yemenite Jews
Wide Antisemitic incidents across 2000 years of modern history, and not at the end of 19th century!
How much stupidity can you put in here? I guess a lot.
According to that "analysis"-Jordan and Turkey, Israel and US, Gulf States are all the same as it comes to Syria. And the 'logical" answer produce by the author is to let people of Syria to die, waiting for the democracy to emerge without any outside intervention.. Do I have to remind here that Mubarak stepped down only after Obama withdrew his support? There is no possibility to sustain the uprising without outside politics involved.
I've read many posts here claiming that Asad is "needed' to Israel and therefore Israel will support his crush on the revolution. I have also read that Palestinian intifada have to supported by the international community. Posts here were cheerful when Turkey has severed its relation with Israel. However here they all are the same, and the only conclusion is to let Syria "grow" to democracy (no matter how many people will die) and let Iran to do the same.
Good one for the Brooklyn activist. Please go down on your Javas- they have a too strong effect on you.
Smart man learns from others and his own mistakes, stupid one-keeps repeating.
For transparency sake- I did not support Goldstone conclusions as everyone can have their private opinions. Haven't your hear of that oddity?
Judge Goldstone record is the record of a great and honest man, who by his work had managed to change the lives of millions of people around the world and in SA particularly. I did not supported his findings on Gaza, as their conclusiveness and not the factual part, regardless his record is an impressive achievement for a human.
Finkelstein serves no one but himself, relentlessly promoting his views, using every possible occasion to hitch on someone else name. His "work" had never and will never change anything and history will not remember him at all.
Small men and pity deeds indeed.
What a pile of filth!
You've said "it is genetic" and stopped short. Why would you? Just say it plain and simple- Jews ( aka Zionists) are genetically predisposed to psychopathy. You are disgusting individual.
Second that again.
Thanks. Good point and another example of answer to Nazi retorics here.
Completing a degree through correspondence - are you serious? Or just throwing whatever sticks?
link to nelsonmandelas.com
1939
While there he completes his BA through correspondence and studies Law at the University of Witwatersrand
Desmond Tutu can have his opinions but it doesn't make him a saint.
Here one quote form Dr. Martin L. King :
"Anti-semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.
"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them."
Read it every time you speak of Desmond Tutu and his kind.
They must have that special feeling for injustice. I wonder where I can get one?
What no Holocaust comments today?
The mere fact that Omar Bargouti goes to the same university as I did, while being foreign-born Palestinian citizen should tell you a lot. I don't claim that Israel is the heaven on earth but it has it's merits even when compared to some European countries. As for Azmi Bishara- I bring you MK Hanin Zoabi, who was fined and reprimanded but for some reason has yet to flee the country. Perhaps Bishara had his concerns.
Including future conscripts- say starting from age of 2 month.... Good one.
Just a small advice to you- do not call Bedouin an Arab. Just don't- they take it as an offense. Being advisor to Lieberman doesnt change the fact that that person is Arab. Did any of Buffalo soldiers made a general? Any Black representatives in US state department during Jim Crow, Supreme Justices, Vice Presidents?
Also I thought we've comparing South Africa and Israel.
Compairing kibbutz and Bedouin village is just silly and makes you look strange- these are two completely different ways of life and my guess you've never visited neither.
When it comes to damage control or shattered ideals anything goes-right Phil and Adam?
Here some facts and not some broad statements:
Ahmad Tibi, member of Knesset, deputy speaker of Knesset. I personally don't like the guy but that's is what democracy is all about.
Rajeb Majadele- first Arab minister
Majalli Wahabi -briefly acting as the PRESIDENT of Israel.
Abdulmalik Dehamshe- Deputy Knesset speaker
Nawaf Massalha-Deputy Minister, Deputy Knesset speaker
Abdel Rahman Zuabi, a secular Muslim from northern Israel, was the first Arab on the Israeli Supreme Court, serving a 9-month term in 1999. In 2004, Salim Joubran, a Christian Arab from Haifa descended from Lebanese Maronites, became the first Arab to hold a permanent appointment on the Court.
Arab Generals in the IDF include Major General Hussain Fares, commander of Israel's border police, and Major General Yosef Mishlav, head of the Home Front Command and current Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories. Other high ranking officers in the IDF include Lieutenant Colonel Amos Yarkoni (born Abd el-Majid Hidr/ عبد الماجد حيدر) from the Bedouin community, a legendary officer in the Israel Defense Forces and one of six Israeli Arabs to have received the IDF's third highest decoration, the Medal of Distinguished Service.
And speaking about Jewish National Fund:
In 2007, Ra'adi Sfori became the first Arab citizen of Israel to be elected as a JNF director, over a petition against his appointment.
A quote from Ishmael Khaldi :"I am a proud Israeli - along with many other non-Jewish Israelis such as Druze, Bahai, Bedouin, Christians and Muslims, who live in one of the most culturally diversified societies and the only true democracy in the Middle East. Like America, Israeli society is far from perfect, but let us deal honestly. By any yardstick you choose -- educational opportunity, economic development, women and gay's rights, freedom of speech and assembly, legislative representation -- Israel's minorities fare far better than any other country in the Middle East"
Make your homework first.
Semantics man, look at the semantics-martyred (aka killed during holy mission), killed or murdered (by IDF when it comes to civilians).
You know, it takes time to find the guys, pay off someone to deliver their location- the usual stuff in ME.
Hello again. I was referring to childish response from justicewillprevail person. However calling everyone who does not fit your narrative liar makes your argument weak and foolish. Usually you, annie, reserve to asking for "a link/proof or something", while being confronted by the unfavorable link/video you call them "liars". That's childish and hence requires "poop face" rhetoric.
You may call me names, say "poop face" or something- it doesn't change the facts. And there I know that we shall prevail.
Every Israeli spokesperson is a liar to you annie?
How about Palestinians saying that their fighters were martyred? Or these were poor mentally disabled fishermen looking for scrapes at the remains of Israeli settlement, as usually claimed when someone gets killed by IDF? Pick your own scenario -fisherman, mental or bystander- they are always innocent, aren't they?
It's all black ops and false flags by Mossad and Shabak, as we have been warned here by the honorable panel of experts.
IJ-Islamic Jihad
Multi-rocket launch by IJ:
IDF strikes four Gaza sites after rocket hits Israel
link to haaretz.com
IAF strike kills five Islamic Jihad militants in southern Gaza Strip
link to haaretz.com
It's all about timeline.
You conviniently ommitted the rocket day before the 5 were killed. Such a comfy bubble you have for yourself.
I saw that-but refrained to use it here, since it is the major NO-NO to cite the Zionist sites. It gets allergic responses and makes people sick, and I would like to avoid that....
Shahira Amin, the Eyptian TV presenter who did the first interview with Gilad Shalit, said on the BBC World Service's World Have Your Say: "I asked to do the interview with my programme and the minister said it would be arranged. I met with intelligence officials yesterday and they said it would happen but didn't know if [the interview] would go ahead until the last minute. I wasn't aware anyone had actually forced Shalit into doing this."
link to bbc.co.uk
Update 1220
I hope that it satisfies some sort of vengeance, cruel and stupid
Thanks Shmuel.
I do not know whether to laugh or to cry....
Israel flag is offensive, Menorah is offensive, Star of David is offensive... but memorial plate on the place where someone was murdered is also offensive?
Why don't you Phil focus your reporting on looking for organic restaurants in Judea and Samaria, since you make yourself a laughing stock here.
You are focused, naturally, on US Jewish community, conveniently omitting the worldwide Jewry. And speaking of numbers- as of last year majority of Jews live in Israel, having higher birthrates than their US counterparts. You know- the "demography game" . While here people offer their help with packing, I see Israel growing and prospering.
Living in US and educating yourself, making money or building a career doesn't contradict the connection with Israel.
Did any of Israelis murdered, knifed, butchered, blown apart, driven of the road had the habeus corpus? Did any of the teenagers and infants?
Oh I have read her quotes, quite full of them by far.
Here are some samples:
"I am an assimilated Jew as were so many German Jews so that my “Jewishness” as a religion meant nothing to me. I haphazardly identified as a “cultural” Jew. In this way I held onto some vestige of my Jewish identification. I married a socialist and politics became my religion."
And yet she knows that:" What we see in Israel is a distortion of Judaism and an attempt by the Israeli State to insist that Israel professes Jewish values as well as moral superiority. (Note the oxymoron “moral army”) Nothing could be further from the truth. True Judaism opposes the stealing of land, the occupation and the expulsion of Palestinians from their homeland. "
What a pitiful human being, desperately looking for her identity, despised by her own family, who actually been in Dachau and suffered.
Loves the Palestinians , hates Israelis to the pathological levels-great humanist, isn't she?
Playing Holocaust card, whereas people who survived the horrors, came to Israel and died fighting for their freedom and for THEIR country.
Despicable and shameful example of human being.
It must be a 'hunting season' in Mondotown for the conspiracy loons.
Oh boy, oh boy- Egypt interfaith violence, killing of Egypt soldiers at the Israeli border, Iranian plot, Hezbollah international indictments, Syrian violence, Turkey going tough. It is all about Mossad and CIA plots.
In series of posts here they forgot to mention Euro troubles, unemployment in US, but fortunately didn't forget to slip the issue of Israel's aid.
I think I've covered most of the "burning" issues in those scorching brains of posters here.
Now lets ask the question : "Cui bono?"
My answer would be Iran, since surge in oil prices, economic meltdown in US and Europe would be beneficial both to Iran and Russia, Syria would be forgotten, Egypt will restrain itself and Israel will suffer the increase in gas prices.
Any sane counterarguments?
link to online.wsj.com
These are also recruits?
You "expertise" doesn't pass any test possible.
Although I disagree with the factual line presented here, the bottom line is clear- sectarian violence is inner Egyptian issue with major implications. And conspiracy theories have no ground here.
Trust has nothing to do with it. Only facts matter- and the fact is that church was destroyed.
Now POA step out from your fantasy bubble and think, was that the super secret Mossad operation or something that have been happening and will be happening in the society, were 10% are Christians and the rest are paranoid Muslims, being told that all their problems are caused by evil Zionists or those godless Christians?
Think a bit and then come with the answer.
Army shooting at the protesters, Mossad job? Please...
What is has to do with Cairo NOW?
Right the CIA and Mossad did it. They've being stirring it for the last centuries-that awful thing between peaceful Christians and Muslims.
Also need to watch the Asuan damn now -there are Zio-moles digging underneath.
"The demonstrators, who were protesting the destruction of a church in southern Egypt, torched two armoured vehicles, six private cars and a public bus, security sources said. Scores of suspected assailants were arrested in the aftermath."
link to english.aljazeera.net
Who is the Zionist conspirator then-the army or the Copts? And who has destroyed the church?
Maybe SEALs or Shaetet flew in?
Do you have any?
I'm pretty sure that most of the antisemites don't even know who are Foxman, Netanyahu or Summers. Also they've never seen a live Jew before.
She has lost her eye due to RICOCHET from the tear gas canister, from the ground.
link to youtube.com
Stop spitting someone else points, get your own.
Shoah denier-what is the connection? I have lost 15 members of my family in shoa, while you have only read about. I saw bones coming after spring rains from the burial sites, I have being in Yad Vashem and cried my eyes out.
And you have the nerve even use this word?!
So to summarize, both you Annie and Hostage approve killing of surrendered prisoners.
Well done both of you.
We do not produce any martyrs,sorry. If you wish to become one-go to Egypt, or Wall Street and try to express yourself there.
Let's see : "killing surrendered people"- lame-ass hasbara point.
Good one hostage, you noble soul, you.
Is it justifies killing of surrendering people?
I'm trying to bring an additional perspective on the facts on the ground -that's all. However I have NEVER resolved to low levels of personal attacks and ill-talking about someone, particularly dead person.
Aren't you afraid of being detained?
Isn't this site about "war of ideas"? And what kind of fun it would be without the "other" side present? Also, as most of the loons here suggested, I am a proud member of "Hasbara Central" , second lieutenant in reserve.
Oh no! That hurts, really.....