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I think he means the victims of Najd who were ethnically cleansed, no one's that stupid.
Pretty much it, he's cracked under the pressure.
That's what they had during Hamas' unilateral ceasefire.
Wasn't enough stop israeli terrorism of course, nothing ever is.
The 'land of israel'?
Draw that on a map for us would you, there's a chap.
Savage.
What do you think about the thousands of high explosive shells fired into Gaza?
There's no end to it is there.
No way is there a 'Kahane memorial park' - even Israeli's aren't that deranged.
Quite, the active term there is 'political move' - it's more than likely he just means more ethnic cleansing rather than any sort of reconciliation with reality.
Is that strictly true? Birobidzhan wasn't really created at anyone else's expense afaik (might be mistaken) not sure about the proposed state in Argentina at the time.
This is half the problem with the notion of a 'Jewish state' far too many people just assume it means Israel, it could be (and is in the case of Birobidzhan) anywhere - Canada, Argentina, the US.
I don't think anybody vaguely sane ever thought they'd do anything else.
Harvard is a hotbed of extreme kahanist activity, if it were in any other western country it'd be under constant scrutiny from the intelligence services with the amount of destructive individuals it's responsible for.
"I still think there are great differences between the two situations and there are enough decent people to make sure something like the Holocaust doesn’t happen, though such analogies are no longer laughable."
Millions of Muslims are already dead, they weren't loaded onto trains and sent into camps, but since 1990, through sanctions and the constant bombing of water treatment/sewage/medical facilities millions have died, before you even get into the 2003 'war' and Afghanistan.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the five million range, given that during the first three years of sanctions the UN claimed one million had died in Iraq, a number which no one disputed but which, of course, was a 'price worth paying'.
Get a hold of this - link to amazon.com
There aren't many differences between now and then.
For the past 9 years it's easily been worse in the UK than it has in the US for Muslims on a day to day basis. Even the US government recently urged the UK to tone it down and they've slaughtered millions.
I vaguely recall a Jewish writer, might have been in the Independent, might have been the Telegraph, basically saying if the current wave of hatred was directed at Jews, he'd have left a long time ago.
That's odd, because the UNHCR seem to recognise descendants as refugees.
I believe they've already declared independence and their state is recognised by a majority of countries.
When can they expect the cheque? It'd have to be one of those big ones, probably wouldn't fit in the mail, just stick it through the wall, there's a chap.
I suppose it 'ends' when the problem is resolved either via return or compensation for stolen property.
What is to prevent the ROR from being abused
By who? Swarthy buggers moving into refugee camps? I hear Wavel is lovely this time of year.
Why should the ROR be granted to 8 – 10 times the amount of people than who were originally dispossessed?
Because Israel has procrastinated for sixty years to allow for such an eventuality, the longer it procrastinates, the greater the problem.
Israel, a sovereign country, gets to dictate its own immigration policies.
I'm afraid the internal policies of any country (and lets assume a borderless settler state can call itself a country for a moment) sovereign or otherwise do not usurp customary international law.
link to haaretz.com
If the Palestinians are somehow responsible for what may or may not have happened in other countries then Jews are collectively responsible for the actions of Genrikh Yagoda, Lazar Kaganovich, Henry Kissinger and Leonid Reichman.
What you support is irrelevant, the RIGHT of return, is exactly that, a right.
What about the six million Ukrainians killed by Jews in the 1930's?
What about all the Russians taken away in black vans by Jews during Stalin's reign?
Bully for you, mosques in my country are attacked quite frequently, oddly enough, no armed guard for them.
Ignore him, I've seen at least two people explain it to him before.
It is at continual declared (but deferred) state of war with Israel, and as such the blockade of Gaza is not assertively illegal by international law.
Gaza isn't a state, nor is Hamas, neither can be at war with anybody.
Legitimate authority, look it up.
link to trionfopublishing.com
link to guardian.ifastnet.com
"yes, the Jews came from Judea, hence the name Jews."
So you also accept the ashkenazi come from Khazaria, wonderful.
What 'American left' is this? Kucinich and Amy Goodman?
There's no American left, anymore than there's an Israeli left.
And if euro jews want to live in the holy lands, they should just apply for a visa like everyone else does around the world – they can’t just stomp in with jack-boots on and steal, rape, burn and pillage and expect a welcome feast from the natives.
Surely the JNF land (10% was it?) circa 48 should remain in the hands of whoever had the private title at the time of 'partition', particularly if you're applying the same logic to those who owned Palestine.
I seem to recall Chomsky suggesting it happened in Palestine because nowhere else wanted them.
Other potential sites were Argentina, Madagascar (where at least half of German Jewry should have been and would have been during the Holocaust, if not for Churchill) and Birobidzhan.
Good article.
Slightly odd watching a state that calls itself the worlds only superpower in the bondage of a relatively small nomadic desert tribe.
Meanwhile, why does professional tennis enjoy no Palestinian players?
Don't know about tennis, but I do know the Palestinian football struggles to get exit visas (even if they do certain countries wont allow them in) and of course the players have a nasty habit of being injured or killed by Jewish terror.
As you suggest, this only makes his report more damning, it's evidence that Goldstone is the hardline Zionist he claimed to be, that ordinarily he'd march in lockstep with Israel, however in this instance, just as Rosalyn Higgins before him, the evidence was so irrefutable that Goldstone had no choice but to tell the truth.
Nyom nyom nyom.
Harvard is a breeding ground for extremism.
Interesting, I always wondered where the UN derived the ability to carve up states from.
“I don’t know if any of these settlers are American, but there should be a law against American citizens settling on occupied land or participating by force of arms in an illegal occupation. How do you think a law like that would do in congress? It seems reasonable enough.”
There are presumably laws that make it illegal to handle stolen goods, no?
I seem to recall a complaint was brought in the UK against some company or other that was selling property built on stolen Palestinian land.
In an election where the likes of Lipni were termed 'moderates' I'm not really sure what you could hope to glean from such results.
I was pretty much about to post the same thing as soon as I read that - It was always my understanding that the (non US) settlers are largely Kahanists who have been de-facto 'exiled'.
Yeah I know that list, a hasbarist tried to use it on me once too.
link to images.indymedia.org
So that whole holocaust business was completely above board according to Dershowitz?
They were at 'war' after all.
I thought the 'plan' was always supposed to be a tunnel?
You wonder how Bernie Madoff got away with it? He was his own auditor, and he cowed anybody in SEC who might criticize him with threats of “anti-semite.”
I don't know if that's true, but I do know people (some Jewish) who questioned his returns/methodology were denounced by Jews as anti semites.
"whatwhatwhat dont you know what Bernie has done for Jewish charities blah blah blah holocaust."
Anyone else ever noticed how casually those in the US/UK/Israeli media conspire to commit murder?
Pipes is one of the worst, but he's by no means the only one.
Suppose that's all that's left to 'negotiate' with, extermination aside.
What would Obama pressure the Palestinians to do, exactly?
In the words of Ze'ev Schiff.
"The Israeli Army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously".
I'm not entirely sure what I'm more fascinated by - what motivates Jews to act this way or why non Israeli Jews are almost entirely silent on the matter.
link to chomsky.info
'people like you.'
Kahanists, he means.
Oh they understand it all too well, the CIA aren't stupid, they know that 'valubale allies du jour' are tomorrow's 'existential threat to our way of life, no this time we're super serious.'
It's wars all the way down.
Nothing really 'progressive' about C&L, their primary interest is in scoring points over the other side, that other side happens to be republicans (could be Denver Bronco fans, could be Ford fanboys) and for some reason filling the day with video clips demonstrating how "palin is stupid" and "limbaugh is fat" makes them feel superior to that other side.
Google - site:crooksandliars.com "goldstone report" and you'll get six results, five of which are comments (though one is on a story about Gaza) and the other is a 'blog roundup' which is a link to someone else talking about it.
Google - site:dailykos.com intitle:goldstone and you'll find 11 results, one of which is hasbara and another of which is a duplicate.
I think it was Israel Shahak who wrote that the Israeli ministry of the interior doesn't actually recognise Israeli as a nationality, you can be Arab, Druze, Jewish, but not Israeli.
That's always been the odd thing, Israel doesn't recognise Israel, nobody knows what's inside Israel one day to the next.
"At the current rate of Holocaust survivors we should have over a million by 2015. "
Finkelstein claims in The Holocaust Industry that - "The Israeli prime minister's office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million."
"I would question the reported number (in the above article) of 725,000 Israeli pensioners still affected. But I wouldn’t, of course, query the the Holocaust Industry’s facts of 6 million Jews killed."
Didn't Leonard Dinnerstein say only 40000 'survived' (60000 walked out of the camps, 20000 died within a week) ?
"The Nazis later sold the homes to their occupants, who are now the owners."
Sounds familiar.
Anyone remember what Roman Herzog told the Herero about reparations?
"Not a chance."
Yet they seem to have billions to dish out, how odd.
Hiss admitted to this years ago.
This is a massive affront to our judeo christian valu-errrrr, ahhh bollocks.
link to thejc.com
Now, however, “there are Jews for whom anti-Fascism is no longer a dividing line that would influence your voting behaviour”, said Mr Gomel. “They vote like ordinary Italians. The fact that they are Jews is immaterial, and that is quite unsettling in a way.”
Oddly enough, in my country, the 'white power' fascists wave Israeli flags.
link to mondoweiss.net
She (and Olbermann, they're both big time liberals see) completely ignored Goldstone afaik, don't hold your breath with this.
Can't be, I read it in a book.
I agree, the diplomatic 'charity' is far more valuable, stopping the veto, treating kahane chai/settler terrorists/secret nuclear arsenals in the same manner arabic equivalents are or would be treated with would see their vaunted 'economy' disappear.
Don't take my word for it, take hers.
link to huffingtonpost.com
In this warped little world, shared by most 'anti war' Democrats (see also - link to crooksandliars.com and link to crooksandliars.com) the aggressors are actually the victims who have borne the 'true costs' and the actual victims are to be relegated to a sentence at the bottom of the page.
Maybe that's not her 'real' opinion and knows she has to frame it in that manner to gain 'liberal' acceptance, but I'd be surprised if that were the case.
Same reason Bin Laden has something to say about Palestine, they both have an audience, you see this 'stop the aid' horseshit on every psuedo liberal US website, crooksandliars, huffingtonpost, etc. I don't know if it's because of some cold war mentality or they just want to pretend they hold some sort of influence over the Israeli's or what.
The Israeli's take American money simply because they can, they don't need it, last time I checked Israel has a fairly high standard of living (possibly higher than the US, can't be bothered to check atm) stopping the money wouldn't make any difference to the Palestinians (notice how it's rarely 'stop arms sales to Israel' or 'stop the Pavlovian veto').
Incidentally the title is misleading, there is no 'aid' to Israel, aid is paid quarterly and the Israeli's want 'their' money all upfront so the Americans loan it to them, having initially either loaned it from the bond market or the fed. Once the 'loan' is made it is instantly written off, then the Israeli's lend the Americans back the money at interest, thus the Americans have to pay interest on the same money twice.
Good scam really, you've got to hand it to them.
No she hasn't.
She's 'anti war going badly' like the vast majority of 'liberal' Americans, she just doesn't want bodies coming back the other way, whenever I've read or seen her she's largely indifferent to the Iraqis beyond lip service.
"Placing a higher value on human beings who share the same passport or distant ancestors is a universal trait,"
News to me.
Israel does not consider Gaza its own territory. It considers itself at war with a Gaza ruled by Hamas.
Nile to the Euphrates, sooner or later, they've no reason to stop stealing land.
1) Egypt's ruler is massively corrupt and is paid by the US not to open any crossings, indeed he threatened to break the legs of any Gazans found trying to cross the border.
2) Israel considers Gaza it's own territory.
Nor do they ever demand that Israel 'recognise' Palestine.
If you could find an honest one they'd admit they don't really believe either. they're employing the same 'technique' as republicans screaming 'liberal media' at everything, they're successfully setting the boundary for what being 'anti Israel' entails, namely, fawning adoration.
Perhaps they'll be 'mildly perturbed' by the next outrage.
Fingers crossed.
Kahanists really don't regard anyone else as human do they.
For what it's worth I had an 'experience' with the IRA, I'm sitting about a mile from where one of their bombs went off.
Perhaps I gave into the wrong kind of extremism?
That's the fella.
I'd be interested on some conclusive information regarding the genetic stuff, by it's very nature it seems 'off' (I think the initial claim was made by an author who sought to absolve Jews from the whole 'Christ killer' business) but I've only ever seen vague dismissals of it.
IBC readily admit that their numbers are not the whole picture, yet the elite media use them as the 'official' count despite the fact that surveys using US government methodology produce a number almost ten times that of IBC.
Planting proverbial flags in this manner is dangerous regardless of any associated caveats.
Just to compound the extent of Walt's/IBC's lowball estimates regarding the 2003 invasion, there are around 50000 violent deaths in the United States every year, obviously there are also exponentially more people, but it's something to bear in mind.
The deaths the US are responsible for (ie - excess mortality) are ten times that, easily.
UNICEF states that 338000 under fives die every year in Afghanistan, how much of that is excess mortality ? I've no idea, but a quote from an aid worker in the NY Times who was fleeing Afghanistan in 2001 may give us an idea - "The country was on a lifeline and we just cut the line." Samina Ahmed also wrote in 2001 in the Harvard journal International Security that "millions of Afghans are at grave risk of starvation".
The whole thing is classic Walt, he desperately wants to tell the truth but is well aware of the constraints of his audience who largely just want something to hit the other side over the head with, they're not particularly interested in the actual deaths, you'll never hear the term 'apology' or 'reparations' from any of them. I'm afraid that's the only sense in which the piece can be said to be 'smart'.
Saddam Hussein clearly deserves much of the blame for these “excess deaths,” insofar as he could have complied with Security Council resolutions and gotten the sanctions lifted or used the “oil for food” problem properly.
This passage is vaguely clever as it endorses the 'year dot' narrative and pretends the US is not directly responsible for Saddam Hussein, if he 'deserves blame' (and he undoubtedly does) then it's as an American proxy, everything he did could have been avoided. He'd still be living as a nobody opposite a cafe in Egypt if the Americans kept their noses out of things that didn't concern them.
The article also ignores the fact (which in fairness has largely been forgotten) that during the sanctions period, there was constant bombing (there used to be a good website that would take reports, I think off the USAF website and chronicle the bombing raids) to all intents desert storm never ended for the Iraqis but as far as the Americans were concerned there was no risk to them, so the 'war' had ended. I also noticed it doesn't even mention Al Shifa, possibly because the numbers for it are impossible to estimate, could be none, could be tens of thousands.
I think you'll find just about every country manages not to build colonies in other people's territory, there's nothing unprecedented about it.
"And, many are accurately stating that the construction of nuclear arms is a more significant action than the construction of 800 housing units."
Who is ?
Who did you think I was referring to there?
What is the article about?
They hate us for our freedom.
"Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care."
“Cutting the grass.” Once again, the NY Times unwittingly exposes the Israeli perspective of seeing Palestinians as subhuman."
I believe the Hutu's had a similar term for the same thing.
"When people keep sending you something, that means it’s important. "
It really doesn't.
Classic ?
Surely in order to be a classic there must be others to judge it by ?
Legally Palin could never be president due to the 'elitist liberal fourteenth amendment' and her 'palling around' with secessionists.
But can you take the oath if you've already explicitly pledged to break the law whilst in office? I suppose it does say 'to the best of my ability' which in her case is naught.
Two statements - "There was no state" and "If you start a war and lose the land, it’s not stolen."
Legitimate authority: Only duly constituted public authorities may wage war (ie - states).
Can you see the problem with your two, directly contradictory claims ?
"Or maybe Spain, where they were persecuted until they were kicked out in 1492? How about Russia, where they were allowed to live only in certain areas?"
Or maybe occupied Palestine? Where if you're not the 'right' kind of Jew, you're liable to face all kinds of unpleasantness.
"Some people choose to ignore history (or just never knew it). "
Tell me about it.
The Jews had a homeland before Israel, they're just very good at pretending it never existed (amusing, given their constant demands for 'recognition').
Do you suppose the likud/irgun would alter theirs, that explicitly forbids a Palestinian state ?
"no the better solution would be to accept Israel and the two state solution"
Hamas already offered that.
What now?
There was a brief period after the first lancet report where it was discussed but it was only ever in a dailykos/huffpo sense - something to hit 'bu$hhhhhhh' or 'TEH REPUKES' over the head with, it's a complete non issue in democratic circles (apart from Kucinich).
For some reason Americans are convinced that they can slaughter vast numbers of people without any sort of consequence, only when there's some sort of immediate cost (excepting national debt, which is always someone elses problem) do they turn 'against' such endeavours.
They were constantly bombing Iraq for over ten years and nobody in the 'mainstream' said a word because nobody of any relevance died, same in Vietnam, they were bombing that place for years before the actual 'war' began, the protests only started once the wrong people started dying.
It's a rather curious business, they remove pretty much all legal and judicial recompense their victims might have, then act shocked when somebody has the audacity to attack them.
The absence of the chickenhawks and 52nd chairbourne puffing out their chests whilst casually informing anyone within earshot that this is 'war' and 'these things happen' as they do when irrelevant people are murdered, is telling.
They never 'left' as anyone who's been there will tell you and even if they did, Hamas could make the exact same argument over their unilateral ceasefire during which the blockades never stopped, nor did Israeli terror - Hamas stopped and all they got was bulldozers and rockets.
I think the point about the 'leaving' lie is similar to making 'concessions' over settlements, they're trying (successfully I might add) to make it look like that for Zionists and Kahanists the cessation of illegal activities is somehow something that can be taken to the negotiating table.
"Yeah I raped all those women, but then I stopped and all I got was consecutive life sentences, ain't that some shit?"
Oborne is very good (one of about three decent, principled Conservatives out of the entire party) he's done a lot of good Dispatches episodes, in particular on the British police state and one on Islamophobia, this'll almost certainly be worth trying to get your hands on.
"A Palestinian state cannot be created by terrorism."
That's a rather, interesting claim.
Making out that you're being silenced by the nasty left when your arguments have been destroyed is a well worn path for lunatics everywhere.
If you can make it seem like you're being forced into silence you're onto a winner; why would anyone want to keep him quiet, surely he must have something potentially incendiary to say.
Don't forget 'david raziel street'.
Try finding a reference in any but the most specialist textbook to the Herero and Namaqua Genocide committed by the Germans, you'd think it'd be a pretty major event but it's hardly ever mentioned.
Terrorist attacks are occurring daily - the 'price tagging' policy, for instance.
That's the rather large problem with the Israeli claims regarding the illegal wall. If they're not lying about its purpose it should be equally as effective at protecting Palestinians.
"it’s not clear why the Israelis should provide medical care to people who are trying to destroy their country"
Because occupiers have no rights, only obligations.
The 'Jewish KKK' would be kahanism.
The report reminded me somewhat of Rosalyn Cohen's (Higgins by marriage) ruling on the illegal apartheid wall at the ICJ. It was written by someone who was instinctively drawn in a direction that the law simply did not allow for.
For all the blathering on about how Israel should be 'recognised' (even though it doesn't appear to have any borders) the fact 181 was never actually applied (nor later was 273 which admitted Israel to the UN on the proviso that they abide by 181) is something fundamentally and blatantly obvious yet is never pointed out in the media. Gruen and his terrorist friends Begin, Stern et al just took the bits that suited them and threw the rest away.
"Hamas has NOT been proven to have used human shields in Gaza.
So why do you keep saying this, Witty?"
In 'fairness' the whole 'the enemy integrates with civilians, what are we supposed to do ?' ruse is an American one that the Israeli's and their hasbara accolytes have adopted, in just about every theatre the US has been involved in since Vietnam (who disguised hand grenades as babies, or used babies as hand grenades and so forth) the enemy has always apparently done this - the claim is a Pavlovian reflex at this point.
We of course, do know that the Irgun or whatever they're calling themselves these days use Palestinians as human shields as B'Tselem have footage of such activities.
The Israeli book buying public seem to think otherwise.
Sand's book is out in English next month isn't it.