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  • Who can save Israel now? Labor leader emulates Netanyahu
    • One cannot help being enthusiastic about this "liberal", a registered criminal against peace and war criminal:

      Tzipi Livni, Gabbay’s partner in the Zionist Union, sent out an SMS message stressing that Gabbay’s stance does not reflect her “Hatnua” party’s position...

      When Zionists, laboliberal and non, disagree about what should be talked about within "the framework of a peace deal" they are talking about ***talk*** only. Meaning what they will talk about during "negotiations" designed to delay any conclusion by another 10, 20, 40 years --as long as it takes to complete the ongoing genocide.

      If the last 70 years haven't already made that crystal-clear to all, the next 70 years will be no different.

  • Balfour at 100: A legacy of racism and propaganda
    • The Jesse imagines that "50 years is enough time".

      So you really think we are all morons, eh? What 50 years? The open war was started by your criminals against humanity 70 years ago and has only intensified since. That "50 years" nonsense is just for the gullible boobies, to make them think that invasion and aggression by the colonial racists was somewhat legitimate. It isn't.

      Also, "strategy or tactic" my eye and left foot. If anyone thinks this is going to be amicable (yes, I know some do) heshe is living on another planet. South Africa got somewhere after 90+ years of untold bloodshed. As you well know.

      And peoples don't just give up because "equal rights" are mentioned. In the case of Palestine, I'd be hugely surprised if the Palestinians don't continue to fight generation after generation, with stops and jerks of course, until they get their land back. Or until you murderers are successful in your genocide, whichever the earlier.

    • Jesse "the Just",

      We have been hearing immortally stinking crap just like yours during every fight against colonizers. Possibly though, you might be excused if you are too young and unable to read much.

      In my lifetime only, we have India, several African colonies including Algeria, to say nothing of South Africa. My parents heard it every day during the Spanish War and the Nazi occupations.

      The same exact stinking crap. What do you think people are, all morons?

  • Miko Peled on free speech and Zionism
    • Antidote

      You are assuming, incorrectly, that I am on speaking terms with the US Gov, its Nuremberg bait administrations, or its Demolican and Repucrat pigs.

      I am not. It's true that the (overwhelmingly Zionist-dominated) commanding managers of the US Gov are forcing me, under threat of armed intervention, to comply with their commands and to pay taxes. They cannot force me to absorb their propaganda.

      As for the Zionist entity, it cannot force me, or any association I might control, to give it a public tribune, to give them the time of the day, or to have any kind of non-hostile communication. They started the war and do not call it off.

      As I said, I am still against any legal limitations to any speech by anyone (including those who breach the BS "incitement" or the fascist "calling fire" nonsense.) That, I suppose, includes anyone with a humanoid anatomy, including even Zionists.

  • A plea to Israel: Don't start the third Lebanon War
    • You started the war in November 1947 and never stopped it. You made your bed, now lie in it until you get what's coming.

    • Marnie,

      If the borderless state of israel had chosen years ago to give all palestinians citizenship with equal protection under the law and equal rights, and had never commited itself so stupidly to keeping a population of millions in an open air prison, perpetrate atrocities from the innumerable war crimes to the daily horrors inflicted upon the native population, there would be peace.

      That's a well-meaning wish. Occupied populations do not forget they are occupied. Even with so-called equal rights.

    • Derfner,

      The war started in November 1947 by the Zionist aggression is still on, remember? The Zionist horde is the invader. It also is an invader that started a war of aggression against Lebanon --still ongoing, too, and there was no Hizbullah when they started and the Zionist entity is still occupying Lebanon. "Second War" is Zionist aggressor terminology, and it is particularly stupid.

      No use counting 2 or 10, either, especially if they are uniformed invader soldiers. Any resistance, no matter if by "monsters" or not, is legitimate. In fact, there is no need here to even invoke any excuse: any attacks against the Zionist entity are perfectly kosher as long as it remains in war.

  • Zohra Drif's memoir of Algeria's fight for freedom is stunning
    • Hughes,

      That is called war. Once it's on, there are no rules but to utterly destroy the occupier. Any aggressor or occupier who tries to resist will necessarily put its own population (and collaborators) in harm's way.

      How fast we forget our own occupation and resistance, and even the more recent anticolonial struggles.

      That's why the UN Charter carries the Nuremberg principles; invaded populations have the imprescriptible right to fight by all means necessary, period. This is not a fell-good statement; it is fairly ominous. Anyone with many relatives and friends in the Resistance, the Mau-Mau, the ANC or any other liberation movement can tell you what ends up being "necessary" if the aggressor doesn't quit soon.

      None of that applies to the aggressor party, by the way, who doesn't even have the right to **be** there.

      Algeria offered what is required: become loyal Algerian citizens, or else choose between a suitcase and a coffin. That's highly appropriate.

  • Rachel Maddow's lineup of crazy U.N. speeches spotlights Arafat-- and leaves out Netanyahu!
    • J Walters,

      The puzzling thing is how someone as THOROUGHLY progressive on all other issues could be so blindly oblivious and regressive on Palestine and Israel. And not just Maddow, ... Elizabeth Warren ... Bernie Sanders, Judy Woodruff, and others

      Yeah, how come people so goddam "progressive" they never stopped cheering and egging on the Bushes and Obamas and Goerings of this world to do more and bloodier wars, so thoroughly "progressive" they never found any war that they would oppose, so progressively trying their best right now to also start WWIII or something just like it, are just exactly as "progressive" when it comes to Zionist invasion and war? What a thick mystery...

  • Ayelet Shaked and the fascist ideology
    • The Mussolini picture is a bit off up there.
      Zionism is clearly from the same source as the Nazi branch of Nazifascism than "classical" Italian fascism; its extreme nationalist, racial supremacist and genocidal character is definitely the one with the most weight; the ideological precedence is on racial purity before monopoly capitalist, corporate domination.

      As for its total contempt of all international norms, proud promotion of aggression and war, police state in contravention of all democratic rules, all those characteristics, all those characteristics are shared by a large number of states and "democratic" parties, including our very own Democrat Party. They are far from being a distinctive feature. In fact, the speech Mussolini was making when this picture here was made, from the balcony of the building in Piazza Venezia, was not substantially different from what we routinely hear from Obama, Queen Hillary etc. Shaked et al.'s words, on the other hand, are often Hitlerian in essence.

  • Changing the narrative, from BDS to antifa
    • And if Mooser believes fairy tales that would be strange. You want to tell me that the state machine in charge and the press are for equal rights and non-discrimination and inclusion and the last 7 wars and the ongoing wars including the Zionist occupation. Fine. Continue wasting liberaloid fake antifascism on a ragtag band of destitute clowns, so that we can safely ignore the spies and Democrats and McCains and generals and such starting more war.

  • 'Auto-anti-Semitism!' Naftali Bennett declares war on Jewish self-hatred in Israel
    • John S yet again.

      intentional - non-intentional nonsense.
      - How do I know the intention? Have you the record of what went in the perp's head?
      - No, I know because the perp told me so.

      Way to go. We know the intention because war criminals, criminals against peace, mass murderers, thieves and pirates told us so. Oh yeah.

  • Chomsky still believes in the old Israel. I did too, once upon a time
    • Goldmarx,

      I said "those actions that...", and the reason they are suspect is that they are the majority of actions. A concert boycott here and there is nice, but campaigning on the basis of occupation outside "Israel" is helping Zionist propaganda, is helping push further the idea of some Zionist legitimacy. That is precisely why the Zionists love participating in limited BDS. By boycotting "settlements" they reinforce the invasion and buy it legitimacy in the eyes of the Western public.

      The aim of boycott and sanctions is not to directly inflict major economic damage on an entity that the US (together with others) is committed to keeping on life support forever. That would be silly. The aim is mainly to educate, agitate, organize the Western population so that the Western governments' margin for maneuvering is restricted, and to hit the enemy's morale and prestige. If our education and agitation are channeling Zionist propaganda on the Z entity's (initial, liberal-Z) so-called legitimacy by concentrating on post-67 occupation, specifically invoking the 1967 conquest, what kind of educating and agitating are we performing? If our action only hits the "settlers" and crazies and reinforces the goody-two-shoes "liberal" genocidaires, what kind of war are we waging?

      So the baby-steps strategy is obviously working against the declared aim of mobilizing against Zionist aggression. It does target "excesses", and that is valuable in itself, but the propaganda effect summarized above looks to me like a net loss.

  • Israel would use nuclear weapons to keep refugees from returning -- Noam Chomsky
    • John S sez

      Don’t worry, I’m still firmly on the Left

      The Left my right *cheek. He is a common-or-garden Zionist, a raging racist, an invader, a participant in war of aggression, a profiteer from mass dispossession, mass misery and mass murder. Left indeed.

      Too thick to understand that the following means him?

      the same "settlers" have also invaded Mondoweiss and keep throwing virtual banana peels, rotten veggies, sewer material and the kitchen sink, relentlessly, in a more or less successful attempt not to let others turn their attention to discussing what they can or should do.
      Make no mistake, it's all the same "settlers", no matter if they call themselves liberal or cavemen.

  • Bari Weiss and the neoconservative hold on the Democratic Party establishment
    • So even though Bari Weiss is a “neoconservative” (according to The Week) and worked at the conservative Wall Street Journal and is doing a podcast with conservatives at the National Review, she is actually trying to win battles in the Democratic Party.

      "Even though"? Is Mr Weiss missing the blindingly obvious merger of the Neocons, the Democrats and the War Republicans? The (re)marriage has long been celebrated and consummated.

  • Ensconced at New York Times, pro-Israel advocate Bari Weiss smears Sarsour as a 'hater'
    • Citing such cases leads one to suspect that extreme right politics, including islamophobia, and persecution of black liberation fighters are just fine with Yonah.

      Considering that colonial invasion, war of aggression, apartheid, genocidal practices, instigating aggressive war by other states, parasitism, and the long list of Zionist habits is all left-leaning liberal with Yonah, there should be no surprise there.

  • Napoleon, Hitler and the economy -- David Brooks hints that Trump is losing his mind
    • Kay,

      It's even more frightening to be governed by competent war criminals and criminals against peace, who calculate exactly their crimes, are good at propaganda and let free rein to the armament makers, the generals and the Zionists guiding US policy. I mean your own warmongering bosses, the Clinton Harpy, the abominable Obama, Sanders the war-loving mountebank. Without forgetting of course the ones you also voted for: George Bush the son, Clinton, Bush the father, and so on. How fast we forget the destruction of all these countries in compliance with direct orders from the Zionists.

      Where you give away your solidarity with the murder mafia is when you praise the Generals' "knowledge" --of course they are knowledgeable and competent in committing crimes against humanity and war crimes, duh! that's their job and that's the only thing they have ever done since 1945-- against the judgment of civilians.

      All this by way of reminder only. Trump isn't an improvement over the Democrat and Republican administrations but the hasn't done anything worse than your Demoneocon guys. Yet.

      What is so hard to swallow is that you Democrats are sincere when you appear not to realize that you carry the full responsibility of the Trump presidency, too.

  • Israel is losing the battle for public opinion thanks to honest journalists, and platforms like Mondoweiss
    • Eljay returns...

      – reforming Israel from a religion-supremacist state for Jews into a secular and democratic state for all Israelis (incl. refugees);
      – expecting Israel to end its occupation of not-Israel and withdraw to within its / Partition borders.

      So you've been deputized to do that by the full Palestinian population, sole owner of the territory? No. The only alternative is that you are proposing that to save the Zionist intruders' @$$.

      (And I also advocate reparations and accountability for (war) crimes committed.)

      I'm sure it will be such a consolation for the people who lost their country, their freedom to decide who is authorized to stay in their country...

      The decision to unify (or not) Israel and not-Israel into a single state would be up to the voting publics of those two secular and democratic states.

      I'm sure you will be bemedalled one day for helping the propaganda to allow the muscling in of the genocidal invaders with the same rights as the owners of the country.

      You can scream until you're blue in the face want that you are not committing Zionist propaganda: all I see is that you are working overtime to anchor in everyone's mind a notion that the invader b&&&&&&s have as much right to decide Palestine's future as the Palestinians. Continue.

      That’s why I advocate a humane solution

      You don't get to decide what is a humane solution. The Palestinian population does. I expect it will show at least as much humanity to the Zionists as was shown to itself.

    • Sibiriak,

      I somehow expect a lot of people here not to see it. Really: there is this somewhat widespread mania of striving for a solution in terms of final settlement ob jectives --without bothering at all to even get authorization by the owners of the place.

      I just don't care what happens in Palestine, except that any invader presence at all, no matter if pre-48 or pie-in-the-sky secular-democratic-brotherly-love or whatever, must be duly authorized by a representative plebiscite of all Palestinians excluding the invaders. I don't give a damn if a Palestinian plebiscite ends up requesting a secular democratic state or a theocracy or a dictatorship of the proletariat or anything else the Palestinians want for their own place, period. That such an authorization is made impossible by the Zionist occupation does not justify deciding in lieu of the owners of the place.

      I also consider any attempt to legitimize any invader presence in Palestine, otherwise than as authorized under the above stated conditions, as providing a justification to Zionists. Equality, secular democracy and all these nice geegaws are not a valid excuse.

      Below are a couple samples out of a total of >190 from Eljay. No authorization from Palestinians is requested anywhere and multiple objections about Palestinian assent (and exclusively Palestinian right to decide) have all been answered with the arrogance of someone who has the key to heavens and decides for the Palestinians what they should be doing in their own country (= all of Palestine.)

      Enough anyway: now the different camps are getting much better delineated.

      --------------------------------------------------------------
      "I believe that Israel’s borders should be the Partition borders Israel accepted and within which it was recognized as a state."

      " Israel exists but must reform from a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews into a secular and democratic state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.
      - Israel must end its on-going occupation and colonization of not-Israel and withdraw to within its / Partition borders.
      ...
      - A secular and democratic Israel should continue to exist next to a secular and democratic not-Israel."

      "Religion-supremacist and (war) criminal "Jewish State" has no right to exist. It must be torn down and replaced with secular, democratic and law-abiding Israel - a state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally. There's nothing wrong with such a state having a population comprised of a majority of non-Jewish Israelis and a minority of Jewish Israelis."

      "Jerusalem - tied or untied - should be a free city and the capital of neither a secular, democratic and egalitarian Israel* nor a secular, democratic and egalitarian Palestine.
      (*Israel, not supremacist "Jewish State".)"

      "I'd rather see a secular, democratic and egalitarian Israel - a state of and for all Israelis, equally, established within its / Partition borders - survive alongside a secular, democratic and egalitarian Palestinian state - a state of and for all Palestinians, equally."

      "I have no problem with a secular, democratic and egalitarian Israel - a state of and for all Israelis - regulating its territory for the benefit of all of its Israeli citizens."

  • Three settlers stabbed to death and three Palestinians shot dead in turmoil over security measures at al-Aqsa mosque compound (Updated)
    • Thanks, Kaisa. I just wish the requests to keep these disputes to other venues were taken up instead of continuing here, though.

      At any rate, as long as we are in this forum, I don't give a rat's ass for any of that "ulterior motive" stuff. Of course everyone has "ulterior motives". Point is, the only aggressor is the US and there is only the War Party in US politics, hellbent on provoking war at any cost, besieging Russia and trashing international law. If you want to live a peaceful life, you start by stopping the aggression. Like kicking out the US and NATO. If you are the US, you keep all your uniformed murderers within your own borders, and you stop open propaganda for a neocon putsch (in the direct interest of Zionists) under cover of supporting Palestinian resistance.
      Enough of this here, anyway.

    • Kaisa:

      "Similar interview", similar to what?

      And thanks for the article, but it provides no information of any interest and I have no opinion at all on the subject of personal corruption of Russian plutocrats or American embezzlers or their protection racket. All I am interested in is the push these last 10 years to totally enslave the Europeans, besiege Russia, destroy all countries targeted by the Zionists and provoke a major war with Russia.

    • Sure I know, Mooser. The word fits exactly the McCarthyist campaign led by the CIAFBINSA and all the alphabet with the neocons at the wheel, powered by the entire Democrat party, enthusiastically joined by the "respectable Republicans, and manned by the gullible, calling to the arms by attacking 24/7 some Russian plot for which there is no probable cause, insisting on provoking war with Russia, exacerbating the war WE started in Syria and neighboring countries on behalf of the Zionists.

    • Kay,

      Your relentless propaganda for war and mayhem, steady refusal to answer demands for evidence, your deviation of the site's purposes exclusively for unrelated propaganda and your use of blatant lies are nauseating.

      Your posts are among the most effective in turning off any Dims left around.

  • 'You are thieves of history!' Hotovely tells Palestinians, waving books at them
    • Sibiriak,

      I apologize: I had missed that,

      But then, there is no one "usage" and no sociolinguistic considerations apply for any consensus where war is raging.
      To Zionists, sympathizers and journalists it may well be "Israeli city in Israel/Erets yissraël/Palestine etc" but to an anti-Zionist even such a Zionist military camp in Palestine might well be Palestinian.

      Besides, UNESCO usage follows or should follow international law strictly: no usage vagaries for their formulations.

  • Young survivors of Gaza beach slaughter three years ago 'lost their minds'
    • Sixty-six,

      Not a very smart question.
      The overwhelming majority of Palestinians still have to be consulted about authorizing any Zionist outlaws, starting 1897, to squat anywhere in Palestine, as per the procedure required by their right to self-determination and the UN constitutive documents.

      The Zionist bandits have invaded Palestine and unleashed a war of aggression against its owner population, and they continue it with full force: this means that the Zionist leadership relishes and actively seeks "individual or mass slaughter of Israeli civilians… bus and restauarant[sic] bombings" and anything that may or may not happen to their illegally imported cannon fodder population. Enjoy. Or go join the cannon fodder.

  • Israeli paper investigates 50-year-ago attack on 'USS Liberty,' while US papers leave it in the letters column
    • We could accept the view, which the Haaretz article endorses, that the attack was a mistake or “screw-up” in the fog of war

      Cannot understand how Weiss co-signs such nonsense.
      As for the "Israeli paper investigates", what it does is spread more Ziolight propaganda and trouble the waters.

  • Clinton lost because PA, WI, and MI have high casualty rates and saw her as pro-war, study says
    • Kay,

      That list is effectively enlightening; I'm not joking. It reads as the list of (mostly) US-instigated and (all) US-supported interventions to continue the destruction of the Soviets and dismember Russia, too.

      Many of them, by the way, are obscure to the general public because this is obviously a list kept up to date by the aggressors themselves, most of them leading your Democrat party, the rest the other criminal party. The last two items are such blazing lies that not a single person in the world can believe them. Continue working for war of aggression.

    • Kay,

      Did you get news that the blood-sucking Clinton Harpy is preparing a comeback? Perhaps by finally staging a takeover?
      Is that why this totally gratuitous propaganda note is being slipped in, to the rescue of the Party?

      There is no doubt she would already have started the new world war, to gladden the hearts of all red-blooded Democrats and its new supporters the Neocons, the CIA, and the rest of the alphabet.

      Now, can we please finally hear what, exactly and demonstrably, is wrong with Russia?

    • Bernie also questioned the war

      Minimally, at the last minute, without sincerity, as a participant in all the war crimes of the last 20 years, having voted the AUMF as well as all wars of aggression, or at least the budgets for them. And as an ongoing supporter of the Middle East wars of aggression.

  • Anti-Semitism accusations against 'Dyke March' prove pro-Israel lobby will torch LGBT rights for marginalized people
    • Sibiriak again

      Since echinococcus rejects the official BDS movement and any rights-based approach grounded in international law

      Are you serious? Why reject the official BDS movement?
      With all its flaws, even its limited actions are generally in the right direction and should be supported. If they stop short of my goal, no skin off my nose, others will take over of I can continue personally.

      As for the rights-based approach, the only rights-based approach is to oppose any and all illegal decisions of the so-called international bodies in flagrant violation of the basic principles of non-aggression, non-conquest, and self-determination in general. Which means anything according any legitimacy at all to the Zionist entity.

      Hope, in echino's view, lies in worldwide war or the re-education of America's Trump voters

      The reeducation of America has the goal of stopping US support to the Zionist entity.
      If that can happen before the Z are successful with their genocide of Palestinians, then it would certainly ease the conditions and pull away much of the international support.
      But that will not by itself achieve justice.

      In the long run, worldwide geopolitics will certainly change a lot and we don't know how much the Palestinians, provided US support to Z ends, can achieve. If it comes to an internal and international balance of forces definitely unfavorable to the Z, the likelihood of these crazies giving up instead of committing large-scale mayhem and collective suicide seems low to me. I wish you can prove me wrong there.

    • Talknic,

      so what? Israelis belong in Israel, not in occupied territories illegally acquired by war.

      "Israel" is itself an occupied territory illegally acquired by war, as you know and I know you know. Ergo, "Israelis" do not belong anywhere in Palestine.

      Ever heard of something called "logic"?

    • Thank you, Chocopie.
      In fact, it was an even more important failure for the Reichspropagandaabteilung.

      See the very recent post "In war against ‘cell phones,’ Israeli launches social media app" (already pulled from the menu?)

      http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/against-israeli-launches/

      Big points are earned, for example, by signing a petition that requests a full apology from Chicago Dyke March organizers for excluding Zionist marchers or another that calls for the boycott of Roger Waters over the musician’s active BDS support.

  • Israeli victory in '67 was manufactured in western Europe, not by 'Jewish geniuses' -- Guy Laron at Wilson Center
    • "Nathan"

      you should note that incitement calling for genocide is a war crime, and one is entitled to go to war in such circumstances.

      Well said!

      There you have it. Even more than "incitement", a newfangled charge, the practice of genocide, which the Zionist entity has been openly conducting since its first day, after having threatened and announced it in so many words since the start of the 20th century, is even more than that. It is reason enough to destroy said Zionist entity. As explicitly stated in international law.

      The continuous yapping of this last propaganda-bot would have been the irritant he intends it to be, were it not for the ignorance and stupidity that supplies its own antidote in almost every post.

  • The deep bonds of Palestinian-Puerto Rican solidarity were on display at this year's NYC Puerto Rican Day Parade
    • I don't mind your asking, Mooser, but your questions are a little, let's say, irrelevant. First, regardless if you like it or not, it is a solid fact. Regardless if I "push the line" or not, the fact persists, it's not "my war". Second, mentioning it here is a reminder for behavior appropriate to that fact. Recruitment is entirely the Palestinians' problem.

    • Continue trying to deviate. This is a war of aggression by the Zionists and various colonialist powers they control, a boom-boom war, not "of ideas", and the point is that that it requires behavior corresponding to that fact. Continue trying to minimize the fact that there is an enemy, and how.
      Who are you to insist on stupid, unrelated questions, anyway?

    • Sibiriak,

      Generally you're able to present your diversion more intelligently.

      How many wars do you reckon “we” are in at the moment? Please list. Thanks.

      Just as relevant (and just as arrogant) to the question in hand as "How many pimples on your nose? You owe me a report."

      The fact remains that this is a real war where the aggressor is hell bent on utterly destroying the attacked side. Trying a diversion on "dehumanizing" won't switch the attention away from the fact that the enemy is really a mortal enemy.
      No need to scare-quote that "we": it doesn't necessarily include you.

    • "Not human" is a compliment, Sibiriak. There is no other warring and genocidal species.
      No other animal species could have produced anything as horrible as the Zionists.
      The fact that they are human, though, does not take away the fact that we are in a war and must learn to behave appropriately.

  • Packed room on Capitol Hill hears Palestinian student say he thought three IDs and a separation wall was normal for children everywhere
    • Talknic,

      Hard to know if you are asking in good faith or pretending not to understand.

      1. The Zionist entity is of course, since 1948, a self-declared state under the name of "Israel". Heir of all actions of the precedent shape (=invaders and terrorist bands) of the Zionist entity.

      2. When you say "They [the Zionist invaders in Palestine] are in their millions. Are you gonna sue ’em individually?" you reveal an exclusively gown-and-wig approach to resistance. Who is talking of suing, except as an insignificant sideshow? Didn't you get the news that this is a war? Would you imagine relying exclusively on some Nazi-occupied courts during WWII, to ask for a judgment expelling the Germans from the occupied lands?

      No, the idea is not to sue them but expel them if that is the general wish of the Palestinians, as indicated by very many signs, whenever the balance of forces allows it. If a proper, valid plebiscite can be conducted, so much the better. Continuing to defend the absurd idea of a legitimate Zionist presence in Palestine can only work against this.

    • Eljay,

      Stop BSing us, please.

      Israel’s borders are the Partition borders:
      – it accepted;

      The owners of the country never accepted

      – within which it asked to be recognized as a country;
      – within which it was recognized as a country

      Not by the owners of the country but by hostile colonialist, imperialist powers.

      – outside of which it has been engaging in colonialism and (war) crimes for almost 70 years.

      Oh, not Inside the initial occupation zone, too? That was at least as criminal in the way of colonialism and war crimes --not to you "liberal" Zionists. The 70 years start with the initial Zionist occupation, which is not "outside of which".

      By repeating relentlessly this despicable propaganda, you are trying to legitimize the Zionists' crime of invasion, ethnic cleansing, theft and Apartheid in the mind of the readers. No matter if limited to the first occupation or the successive waves of aggression. Your denouncing the criminal enterprise is useless as a fig leaf when you make yourself an accessory to helping the invaders enjoy the fruits of the Nakba.

  • The Israelis
    • American Jews are all that can save Israel from the ideology that envelops it. That change won’t come from Israelis

      What a comedown it is to read this, Weiss. Who the hell wants to "save" the shitty, genocidal, bastard Zionist entity? From itself, no less.

      The ones that need being saved, and really need it because they are being genocided, are the Palestinian people, not the invader bunch (who is only waiting for the right opportunity to apply the American-style final solution: as you so well observe, the oceanic Nazi crowd "seem to want the Palestinians to assume the position of the American Indian".)

      In the absence of some worldwide war, the only way to do that is by turning around the US, and it's not your insignificant "American Jews" but only the general population, the masses of Americans, the people who just voted Trump because they've had it, who can do that. Every cent we can spare should go to informing them.

  • Israel and P.A. go forward with plan to cut electricity to Gaza by 40 percent
    • "Humanitarian"? No need for 0'bAma-style war of aggression. The Zionist entity has vastly earned armed intervention for its wars of aggression --at least 6 of them. There wouldn't even be a need to discuss it without the US.

  • Israeli soldiers shoot from towers across fence into Gaza protest, killing Palestinian
    • Plutarch, Life of Lycurgus of Sparta:
      "The magistrates from time to time sent out into the country at large the most discreet of the young warriors, equipped only with daggers and such supplies as were necessary. In the day time they scattered into obscure and out of the way places, where they hid themselves and lay quiet; but in the night they came down into the highways and killed every Helot whom they caught. Oftentimes, too, they actually traversed the fields where Helots were working and slew the sturdiest and best of them. So, too, Thucydides, in his history of the Peloponnesian war, tells us that the Helots who had been judged by the Spartans to be superior in bravery, set wreaths upon their heads in token of their emancipation, and visited the temples of the gods in procession, but a little afterwards all disappeared, more than two thousand of them, in such a way that no man was able to say, either then or afterwards, how they came by their deaths. And Aristotle in particular says also that the ephors, as soon as they came into office, made formal declaration of war upon the Helots, in order that there might be no impiety in slaying them.
      And in other ways also they were harsh and cruel to the Helots. For instance, they would force them to drink too much strong wine, and then introduce them into their public messes, to show the young men what a thing drunkenness was."

      The Spartan colonial fascists at least went lightly armed and naked to terrorize and massacre the enslaved local population, as you see.

      Compare to the Zionist cowards.

  • Intersectional feminism: Wonder Woman, Palestinians, Wakanda and Zionism
    • Quite so, Sibiriak. But that is no argument against a boycott. I won't buy a turnip if sold by a Zionist, and I won't buy a movie in which one is playing.
      That's the only way to deny them their livelihood.

      You still didn't get the memo that there is a war? A real one.

  • Why has the Israeli occupation lasted so long? It's good for business.
    • Larick,

      I agree with almost everything you say about Halper's analysis, his remarkable analytic and expressive skills, etc. His representation of the Palestinian Helot/Guinea pigs as a stimulating force for the security industry, and the role of the vicious circle of the security industry as a sponsor of endless occupation is convincing.

      Problem is, my criticism was not an "ad hominem attack" but directed at all the tribals who, like Halper, illegally immigrated to Palestine without the owners' permission and are still squatting there.
      Let's not forget that this is a war. In war time, enemy citizens are suspect except if they are deserters --and saboteurs remain unknown by definition. We won't start on those whose nearest and dearest are with the enemy. This is only natural, independently from the proclaimed positions of the individual.

      Even if you were among the rare persons remaining, who can see any value in overt opposition within the Zionist Master-race population, IMO that is more likely to be effective if performed abroad.

  • Making the crossover from Elie Wiesel to Marc Ellis
    • John S,

      Thanks for responding.

      I'm not an invader, I live in my people's historic homeland. No Jew is an invader in the Jewish homeland.

      Of course you are an invader. You illegally immigrated into Palestine, against the will of its owners, the Palestinian people.

      Those Palestinian Jews who lived in Palestine before 1897, the year the Zionist beasts announced their intention to colonize the place, of course were Palestinians and their direct descendence should have a right to Palestinian citizenship. No other.

      I'm not a war criminal

      Of course you are. You are part of the foreign civilian population settled on conquered land in flagrant violation of the Geneva Conventions (and other international law instruments before the GC.) Of course, it would be impractical to try and sentence all participants in such a mass crime, just the way only a few leaders among the Nazis were convicted and punished. You are far from being any kind of leader. But then, if you ever were under uniform or in the reserve for the Zionist entity you sure are a war criminal and possibly indictable.

      I also support freedom of speech. “Veterans Today” can say whatever they want on their website.

      Strange. What the VT articles you cited are about is a request for freedom of speech, so that the Holocaust (TM) Industry propaganda used for the age's biggest extortion scheme may be discussed and criticized. You falsely characterized them as "Holocaust(TM) denial". What can your goal be, other than banning any discussion?

      The Webster defines Anti-Semitism as : “hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group”

      The Webster is full of sh|t. Return it. This definition

      -does not differentiate between opposition to "Jews" (undefined) due to their religion, which is an acquired characteristic, not something that is there from birth, and as such perfectly legitimate,

      - pushes obvious Zionist propaganda by positing that "Jews" (undefined) are an "ethnic group", which they definitely are not, under any circumstances: the religious ones belong to a religion but the irreligious have nothing in common among the different groups. You as an Eskenazi are totally foreign in every aspect of "ethnicity" to my family. Opposition to the Eskenazi for the single fact of being born so would of course be a despicable thing, Anti-Ashkenazism. I'd agree with that.

      - of course there is no such "racial group" except in Zionist myth, but that doesn't keep both Nazis and Zionists from murderous racial discrimination. That last element is of course fully valid and I do condemn any discrimination based on the sole fact of being born "biologically Jewish".

      So we are left with one element only: racism. Well, there is no need to separate "antisemitism" from common-or-garden racism. The racism that you and your fellow Zionists are practicing against all persons born Palestinian does not give you much of a standing to protest this (real) antisemitism, you know?

    • So, invader and unindicted war criminal John S, now shows that in defining "Holocaust(TM) Denial" he predictably follows the Holocaust(TM) Industry line: he classifies under this inflammatory name the request for freedom of speech, including freedom to question any and all Zionist propaganda around one genocide. Even though I do not share Faurisson and Co.'s views, I sure will defend their right to discuss it anything they want. Same by Veterans Today. The same position is that of the Zionist but honest Noam Chomsky, by the way.

      Saying that the Holocaust (TM) Industry managers and peons are vile liars and extortion artists, to the tune of tens of billions, in the service of the Zionists does not mean that a genocide of people the Nazis considered Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc. did not happen. Of course it did, but the Zionist lies must be pitilessly hunted and rejected.

      He also indicates as "antisemitism" the observation that the US is not a Jewish-majority country, by far, and logically when one wishes one's neighbor a good Easter or happy Xmas or whatnot, normal people wouldn't ask one's baptism certificate. Except in a Zionist-powered "Jewish" dictatorship.

      So when are we getting the exact definition of "antisemitism" from any of youse? One gets tired of asking.

  • Oren sees 'radical implosion' of US Jewish support for Israel -- then calls Palestinian polygamy 'existential threat'
    • Quite so, Keith, but lip service, even if coming from the worst enemy of a specific advancement, is extremely important. I think that most may agree that the colonialist criminals came to denounce colonialism as if it were their enemy, too, in 1960 --and consolidated the imperialist enslavement of their ex-colonies. The important thing for us is that the use of anticolonialist, humanitarian rhetoric even by the very colonialists was current since the war; the creation of the Zionist entity by these same powers, just while India was gaining its independence, was a total violation of the UN Charter and had to be presented to the world using anticolonialist gobbledygook to justify the creation of yet one more colony.

    • Sibiriak,

      You are correct as to your approximate date of the about-turn by the main colonial powers. Effectively, the powerful end-of-war and postwar anticolonial rebellion did force its very enemies to pay lip service to decolonization, what with the success of the Indian independence, the already sealed future of Japanese-occupied colonies, the already certain success in Algeria, etc. etc.

      One thing that should not be overlooked is that before the colonialist powers subscribed to decolonization, the foundation of the UN and the charter it was based on were already anticolonialist in essence, and the General Assembly membership was already mostly anticolonial. In fact, in all general histories the turning point is indicated as being around 1945.
      The one exception, again, was the Zionist entity.

  • Israel provoked the Six-Day War in 1967, and it was not fighting for survival
    • Israel provoked the war in the same way a bullied victim provokes a beating by finally hitting the bully

      That's very original, Hophme. I wonder why nobody has yet hit upon this brilliant idea of selling a brutal colonial invader as being bullied by the locals. I bet it will work like a charm.

  • If Trump is serious we may be seeing the most significant step in 20 years of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations
    • Eastlake,

      How about when they invaded and destroyed Libya, then Syria, then Venezuela, then staged a putsh and started a civil war in the Ukraine, then started a war against the civilian population of Yemen, then... you get the idea, I hope. Meanwhile, back at the ranch they committed billion-time repeated severe violations of the Constitution, canceled the First and Fourth and so on, tortured, continue to torture, and before I forget it was your darling Emperor Obama who suddenly decided to definitely cancel the rule of law by declaring that he had assumed the powers to murder -I mean plain and simple murder One-- on his sole say-so. We'll skip totally insignificant BS like passing the entire cost of health (non-)insurance to the working class with Romneycare, the new face of the cop's open war against the civilian population, and so on.

      Mooser is suggesting that these pages are a good place to attack each other on things other than Palestine, as per some "About" page, but let's get back to Palestine and note that your Democrats and Republicans are not just accessories to Zionism's crimes against humanity in Palestine --they are principals. First-person stakeholders and combatants.

      Legislative, schmegislative.

    • Eastlake

      Let’s focus on real world policies and actions being pursued by these two parties

      That's precisely what I am doing. Their real world policies and actions are conspiracies and crimes against peace and war crimes, the same ones for which the Nazi government was hanged, for which obeying orders was also defined a crime against humanity, for which the US committed itself, through Justice Jackson's statement, to hanging future criminals against peace even if they happen to be Americans.

      ... instead of these sensationalised ramblings?

      A typically Democrat-or-Republican rejection of all human decency.

    • ...and was it not the Democrats who have been the worst criminals against peace and war criminals so far in our history, supporting, then pardoning and doubling down on the Republicans' wars of aggression? It's absolutely revolting to see a shameless, outspoken eulogy of these mass-murderers, war criminals and administrators of worldwide monopoly capitalism here. It's not as if this site was lacking in either Zionists or Democrats, but at least the latter usually are ashamed of belonging to their Mafia.

      There may be after all a small difference between Democrats and Republicans: the latter, being incompetent, may well represent the lesser evil (for people who believe there is such a thing.) This being said, better not start this kind of polemic on this site, as we are supposed to leave our hats at the door and only try to work out how to support Palestinian resistance. Or something like that.

  • In groundbreaking resolution, California Democratic Party decries US support for Israeli occupation
    • Talknic,

      Congratulations for formulating so well the problem with the Zionist entity. It's worth repeating over and over again::

      While one side refuses to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter, there will be no peace.
      ...A thinking person would realize that theft of territory will bring war. ... that any government who encourages its citizens to illegally settle in territories outside of the state they govern, is criminal.

      That fully applies not only to the present-day Zionist entity but also to the Partition itself and to the very existence of the Zionist entity.

      Best start lobbying for Israel to adhere to its legal obligations

      Sure, that's so likely to work. No one thought about doing that in the last 70 years.
      Your own undefeatable logic as quoted above necessarily indicates that the first/main legal obligation of what you call "Israel" is to undo itself. Its birth certificate is fake.

      There is no human logic by which one can justify any existence of the Zionist entity while at the same time denying the legality of its further conquests.

  • Trump may want a deal, but Israeli Jews are not interested
    • Mayhem, the well-named, seems to be as typical a Zionist as you can produce.

      "Democracy"? Well, affirming that the Zionist entity has "democracy" only makes it worse by a multiple.

      The people in Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy had an excuse: they couldn't vote as in a so-called democracy and could always invoke duress. Some of them even managed to sound thoroughly believable in their plea not to confuse the German/Italian people and their criminal-against-humanity governments.

      The Meistervolk invaders have a large measure of democracy among themselves, that of illegal invaders that excludes entirely all the conquered people under their boot to whom they are Sparta rather than democracy.

      So the Meistervolk population in Palestine have absolutely no excuse, as opposed to the populations of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, etc. The Meistervolk occupiers are collectively fully guilty of every single crime against humanity committed by their "Jewish State" government. The vote proves without any discussion that they are criminals against humanity and war criminals themselves, to the tune of some 92% or even higher. Each single one of them. Some of them, the few that vote but managed to avoid military service and direct participation in any high crimes, might perhaps be characterized as accessories only --not much of a consolation. In the US, accessories usually count as just as guilty as the principals.

      So this is what the "Israel" abomination's democracy means.

    • And if they had that "right"? What then?

      The eternal cheek of asking Palestinians, living on their own land, to have to ask a pirate invader from Bielorussia or Bessarabia in order to be able to stay in their own fathers' home, in a city where the very presence of the Bessarabian invader is a war crime, where that presence is not even recognized by the invaders' own colonial sponsors and allies.

      No citizen of the fake state of "Israel" has any right to even be present in Jerusalem. Why even debate a Hophmi on such "citizenship" requests?

  • Internet 'redresses' Miri Regev's 'capture of Jerusalem' themed gown at Cannes
    • Excellent observations, Annie.
      On every point on which all Zionists are not agreed, sure, there will be contradictory politics.

      On the "implode" (word that you used), or destruction of the Zionist entity, or at least of leaving it to its own devices without any support from the superpower, it sure looks as if there is a total consensus of all Zionist factions. Not only that: as with other vital interests of imperialist monopoly capital, the comedy of a supposed democratic process in the US will be subverted and a coup d'État organized when the Zionist order is threatened. Just as the one that just happened after the last presidential election over the war against Russia.

      As with my holding court or not and waiting until you are talking to me, nuts. Just censor everybody who speaks without being called by the teacher...

  • DC and Jerusalem reel over Trump disclosure of ISIS plan to-- hush!-- put laptop bombs on planes
    • Keith,

      A celebration of the total victory by the (now official) alliance Democrats, Republicans, the Alphabet Soup and the war profiteers can only make the dictatorship more unopposed. Especially so if it easily defeats, as it is bound to, the nominally most powerful person in America. Look at it any which way there's no sign of anything disruptive to the Empire in that.
      It won't be any favor to the Palestinian people either, as the Dim allies are definitely the most dangerous.

  • Collective post-traumatic stress disorder – Jews, apartheid and oppression
    • Hughes,

      Here goes an unrequested Part II; I am sure you are bitterly regretting having asked anything but yours were very good questions that invite thinking (even by the thinking-impaired like me.)

      Is he saying more than that people who were Jewish were once treated so unjustly that it is easily possible for self-interested and powerseeking persons to induce by certain techniques an unreasonable degree of fear, to which an effective antidote would be an integrated education system?

      Yo're dam' tootin' he is saying more. One thing he's not saying but should have said at the start is that his posited "Jewish" people is the exceptional people. That long history of suffering and bullying is a story of religious persecutions, according to place and regime, and for the life of me I can't see what is so invariably worse or unusual about the Jews than about the Nestorians and the Arians and the Paulicians and the Bogumils and the Shi'a and the Baha'i and the Hashisheen and the Anabaptists and the Cathares and the... wait, wait, if there is one exceptionally, ubiquitously persecuted "people" in that strange acception, it is my "people", that of the Atheists. Period.

      And yes, of course the memory of any persecution is carefully preserved, constantly pulled out and polished, and lathered up and used for propaganda purposes by each and every surviving community's elders or otherwise politicians. Duh. Big discovery there. Not. That's something everybody, including even the Zionist, agrees upon. The only reason it was worth an article seems to be the opportunity to insert one more unquestioned mentions of a religion as "a people", with an unquestioned reaffirmation of exceptionality as the eternal victims.

      Now, this is not related at all to the WWII genocide, which was obviously racial and racist in order to answer the needs of the Reich. If the discussion were about the WWII genocide, it would not even start being usable to explain Zionism, started a hundred years earlier, in the 19th century, within the same nasty egg as German Romantic nationalism, only without Blut or Boden to hatch it.

      In fact, when we are done simplifying this equation of all its absurdity and redundancy, it all boils down to a statement that the Meistervolk invaders in occupied Palestine are manipulated, held hostage and incited to crime by irrational fears of a genocide, one that they would not be committing as they now are, but undergoing. Nothing about the ages of Jewish persecutions but just 1942-45. Well, that is somewhat correct of course, but being the target of propaganda does not absolve thinking individuals any better than the treaty of Versailles would have excused NSDAP supporters of yore. Understanding and helping the poor, suffering, propagandized, put-upon invader pirates and murderers and war criminals is definitely not a priority over getting rid of the beast (right now still peacefully doable with plane and ship tickets.)

    • Maghlawatan,

      Being born on forbidden soil to invader, pirate parents who knowingly drag children into a war zone, and being marked from birth as subject to compulsive "duty" to criminals against humanity to serve as a uniformed war criminal can hardly be described as "normal".

      In fact, even though entire populations cannot be charged and tried for crimes against peace and war crimes, parents can and should be prosecuted for reckless endangering for bringing minors to war zones or begetting them there.

  • 100 senators throw their bodies down to end UN 'bias' against Israel
    • Not only that. He's been a fanatic Zionist from the start, only not of the Likud flavor. So there's a sincere genocidal conviction there, alongside the populist opportunism of promising income redistribution financed by war of aggression, in the best "Democrat" tradition. The way you do it is you loudly hawk the former while playing deaf-and-dumb about the latter, and hope that whenever you're forced to break the silence it will soon be forgotten. Some special savior of the people, our "Labour" Bernie.

  • True independence on Nakba Day: accountability and healing as an Israeli aggressor
    • Annie,
      No contest: I, too, find the inner problems of invaders and aggressors fascinating. I also find them useful sometimes in trying to bring them to destroy each other.

      What I object to is 1) the mixing of issues of justice and resistance with this "understanding", 2) the hammering of a sympathetic "understanding" that is an obvious invitation to (perhaps unconsciously) establish definitively as an unquestioned right, he continued presence of the invaders on Palestinian soil, as if it were something already authorized by the invaded people; 3) the presentation of this "understanding" as no different than sympathizing with the enemy in times of war, and it is war --not a "war of ideas".

      About the rest of your message, I certainly don't see the author here as enemy; on the contrary he is clearly in sympathy with the invaded. I have no beef with is published studies either, with which I am somewhat familiar (except perhaps some serious doubts on the clinical significance of the big soup of different phenomena mingled together as "epigenetics", but that's totally outside what we're discussing.) What I cannot agree to is his statements about the significance or necessity of understanding the enemy, and his presenting the Zionist presence as if it were a done deal. There is still a lot of war to be done. In fact, resistance has barely started.

    • Annie,

      If so, we are agreed. Formulas are used to simplify expression. Just expand it to every level, but still the only reason to sympathize with a Zionist is if he is no longer one and actively works to defeat his side.

      The essential thing is, this is a war, a real boom-boom war, and there are more important things than kissing and shmoozing with a hugely overwhelming enemy. Deserters among the dominant side are sorely needed but many who try to present themselves as "sympathetic" to the weaker side are the enemy.

  • Map map on the wall, who's most existing of them all?
    • Jeff seems to have found his matching word-weaseler in Talknic. Call it "civil war", and all of a sudden the colonial shock troops that England amassed and armed for 30 years for just such an operation, that of keeping control when the time would come to relinquish the so-called fake mandate, become 'rebels'. Abracadabra! All responsibilities disappear. The colonial overlord is now a disinterested observer, the Zionist genocidal riffraff is magically cleansed of all crimes of their pre-47 life (by having been baptized, full-immersion born-again in the stolen water of the Jordan, no less) because, you see, they were no state actors before becoming state actors, and their new state, the English-American bastard, is suddenly held immune...

      End result: you aren't supposed to destroy that abomination because all that wordplay has made it untouchable. It's still a genocidal vipers' nest of illegal intruders but they have been hallowed and anointed, so continue being slaves.

      The best part is to observe the extent of the disagreement: one wants to keep all of it, the other one "only" 56%. No Palestinians anywhere except if US-approved.

  • How grassroots activists defeated anti-BDS legislation in Maryland
    • "Compelling" for whom? Not me. No legal declaration of war. No judiciary decision. Just a government preference... doesn't cut it, no reason yet to bypass the constitution. Have it out with moron lawyers.

  • 'Why do I not cry out for the right of return?' -- an exchange between Uri Avnery and Salman Abu Sitta
    • However, prior to Israeli statehood, it was a civil war. Pre-state Jewish terrorists occupied and dispossessed people from territories that were in the provisionally recognized state of Palestine.

      Civil war my ass. The colonial overlord, instead of truly administering its mandate per the ostentated principles of the LoN, had filled it to the brim with declaredly hostile settlers that were let loose on the only legitimate population.

      A state that didn’t exist at the time cannot possibly be held responsible for crimes committed before it existed

      Shysterly bullshit. That state is the planned result of the colonial aggression and consisted of the same actors. Where do you think you are, in some courtroom where such nonsense acrobatics may be accepted by some sold judges? Go tell this crap to the masses massacred and expelled since 1948 and let's see how convinced they are!

      It's propaganda to spout a figure as though it's evidence for Palestinians wanting to return all 6 or 7 million refugees to Israel.

      And what would be wrong with that? They are all Palestinian and it's their right to settle anywhere in Palestine if they so choose. The illegal immigrants are everywhere and the Palestinians have every right to ask them to get out.

      It is quite simply NOT what UNGA res 194 (1948) calls for

      It's nice to ask for implementation of UN resolutions and that one is better than nothing but it still isn't one the Palestinian people agreed to.

  • I am not a jew
    • John S,

      You still don't get it. Where it says,

      "the absence of prosecution and punishment for low-level actors is being twisted into a perverse interpretation: that the physical torturers and executioners and support personnel, i.e. the ridiculous fiction that the little bastards who make any war crime possible are not guilty", the last phrase means just your good self.

    • Falic,

      Your point about who gets effectively prosecuted for crimes against humanity is extremely relevant.

      In practice, only the top tier of leaders get indicted and punished (if ever), as the action is rather symbolic. I can understand that going after each participant is highly impractical. It would probably paralyze society.

      Only, the absence of prosecution and punishment for low-level actors is being twisted into a perverse interpretation: that the physical torturers and executioners and support personnel, i.e. the ridiculous fiction that the little bastards who make any war crime possible are not guilty. That absurdity must be resoundingly rejected. Thank you for contributing to that.

      Anyway, deserters who turn against the criminal camp have done as much if not more than what is necessary to remedy the situation, so they should never be included. You cannot include yourself in this.

  • Love of Israel + Defense of Trump = Meshuggeneh
    • Just noting that I didn't say that Mr Weiss specifically kowtowed to Ms Powers. The sentence is "where were his biting criticism and his denunciations when criminals against peace and war criminals like Obama, the Empress, Power, etc. were being applauded to, kowtowed to and lionized by the same actors plus a lot of other murderous Zionists and even “Nonzionists”?"

    • Agreed with Keith, it's obvious. But there seems to be a problem with Weiss: where were his biting criticism and his denunciations when criminals against peace and war criminals like Obama, the Empress, Power, etc. were being applauded to, kowtowed to and lionized by the same actors plus a lot of other murderous Zionists and even "Nonzionists"? For example when we were raping Libya, say?

      How serious is all this?

  • Passover has become little more than an act of communal hypocrisy
    • John S,

      As a willing and proud accessory to tens of thousands of outright murders, you should talk.
      Also, if you don't want accidents to happen to illegal occupiers just don't move civilians to a war zone illegally. That simple.
      Also, if you want to protect yourself jump in the next plane and go back to the US. Our loss.

  • 'This miracle, this gift, this jewel' -- Obama's ambassador to Israel declares he's a Zionist
    • Talknic,

      Only, you still didn’t produce that plebiscite."
      You're ridiculous. THERE ISN'T ONE! You've said as much yourself. You want me to produce something that doesn't exist?

      Halleluiah. Looks like you start getting it. Or not?

      Of course there is no such plebiscite! That's what I have been pointing out all the time.

      In its absence, Zionist invaders can only lift all occupation and constraints and ask for a proper plebiscite, where they have no voice, hoping that the result perhaps authorizes some of them to stay (perhaps after giving guarantees of loyalty as Palestinian citizens?) Or just get the hell out.

      Because, as you say so yourself,

      “The acquisition of territory by war is inadmissible” The notion of self determination was Customary International Law some years before Israel ever existed and; no such referendum has ever been conducted in any of the territories Israel has acquired by war"

      Well guess what, all the territory of that "Israel" abomination has been acquired by war. Every single f. inch. Not one inch that you can continue to see as "Israel" or whatever the fancy Zionist name.

      If we leave justice for a moment and talk real world, well a plebiscite is of course a pipe dream but still the only bloodless way out --and as such to be highly recommended.

      Considering what we have seen so far of the sense of justice of invaded and occupied populations, there are necessarily only two stable alternatives in the absence of such a plebiscite: either reinstatement of Palestine or a successful genocide of the owners, American-style or worse. A solution as in Algeria now sounds too optimistic now. As for any compromise solutions, they can't be more stable than with the current phantom "state" and its puppets. There is a reason invasion was described as "inadmissible".

    • Talknic,

      Might be best tho for Israelis to stick to living in Israel instead of illegally settling in non-Israeli territories illegally acquired by war by the Jewish state since proclaiming its borders effective at 00:01 May 15th 1948.
      Wonderful.

      What part of illegally settled, illegally acquired by war, illegally proclaimed and illegally recognized "Israel" is legal, as opposed to "non-Israeli territories illegally acquired by war". You forgot to say.

      Is it not true that the Zionist Federation decided in 1897 [to] set up the Jewish COLONIAL Trust in order to specifically colonize Palestine and that they loaned money to specifically poor Jews (specifically at interest ) on condition that they put themselves on the front lines in Palestine to further the Zionist Colonization process?

      Is it not equally true that the British Empire illegally invaded Palestine with these declaredly hostile Zionist hordes in breach of its fiduciary obligations and, together with the other COLONIAL powers, illegally approved the illegal 1948 declaration of independence by these colonial invaders, violating the very UN Chart?

      Rejecting the 1965 conquest while recognizing a legitimacy to the 1947/48 one is impossible. You are attempting a squaring of the circle: no can do.

  • Read the full translated text of the leaked Hamas charter
    • Eljay,

      Hamas’ acceptance of a two-state solution means nothing if its clearly-stated ultimate goal is to reclaim all of geographic Palestine.

      You confirm what I was just saying, viz.

      you still have trouble understanding the difference between a forced compromise and a basic, inalienable right

      worse, in fact: you just seem to be totally alien to a very elementary concept. I do not believe that comedy, by the way, and start to strongly suspect that it's serving a propaganda goal.

      Your totally ridiculous smear, by the way:

      It is in the same way that your primary goal is the definitive mass slaughter of every Jew in Palestine.

      , is not compatible with anything I have ever written here. I have underlined that the Zionist invaders have no right to be in Palestine without a permission by the owners of the land, i.e. the Palestinian people as of the date of declaration of hostile takeover intent by the Zionist. Period. No mass slaughter or anything regarding the Jewish religion was recommended, suggested or proposed. In fact, the only thing proposed is a valid plebiscite of the Palestinian people. Of course, suicidal war and violence may achieve their end, but that's another question.

      Let's hear it clearly, now. Does Eljay propose that the Zionist invaders of Palestine (DBA "Israel" now) have a right to be on Palestinian "mandate" territory at all without a fully representative authorization of the Palestinian people? (I didn't say authorization by colonial powers or their politician puppets.) Yes, no, or maybe.

      Does Eljay consider that the Zionist propaganda slogan about mass slaughter of the Jews if the Palestinian people are free to decide is true? Yes, no or maybe.

  • 'I came to explore the wreck of Zionism': A report from the 2017 JVP meeting
    • Pabelmont, I would add that Nazism was stamped to the ground in 1945. Much more was done then to eradicate fascist aggression than is done today (we reward richly all major war criminals and criminals against peace nowadays.)

      The pirate Zionist entity attacked in 1947 and declared itself a state in 1948. So how in hell or heaven should "Israel" be "necessary"?

      It's not a question of size. The very presence of any Zionists there in 1945 after the defeat of Nazi Germany, except for legitimate war refugees waiting to be repatriated, remains illegal.

    • Talking about a wreck waaay before it's destroyed would have been seen as pep talk in the chickens-before-hatching category if it were the only problem. This declaration comes before her organization has clearly declared war to Zionism. It has not made amends for its despicable witchhunt against Weir, Berlin, Atzmon and other steadfast enemies of Zionism.

  • New book by Larry Derfner, the American-turned-Israeli journalist, crushes liberal Zionism
    • Watan,

      There is a lot to discuss in what you said --I was just pointing out the fact that Ed Koch and the Zio spokesman Jeff B clearly say, making a good case, that this varmint is military auxiliary personnel, and who am I to contradict such experts?

      Also, as you so nicely say, settler colonialism is a war crime and there is a very good reason these people are not protected under Geneva. So the finer distinctions are moot.

    • Maghlawatan,

      Are you following the discussion or some other thought of yours?
      Jeff has confirmed, citing a well-informed article by Ed Koch, that post-1967 ununiformed/paramilitary invaders, aka "settlers", were placed there, in what constitutes a war crime, to act as support personnel to the military invaders. The thinking behind their presence, as exposed by Koch, was inaugurated by the Nazi civilian settlements in Poland, Czechoslovakia etc. These "settlers" are "logistics" personnel according to JeffB. I tend to agree. If a particular one is armed or not on a given day doesn't make any difference.

      A single conclusion forces itself: These guys. Are. Not. Civilians. They are military support personnel, i.e. part of the occupation army. No discussion possible. Dragging there the occasional true civilian, e.g. a minor or a non-combatant civilian, is a major war crime committed by the respective settler who should be held accountable for it, just as much as the Zionist entity government.

  • Palestinian-American teacher brutally attacked by Jewish Defense League outside AIPAC conference
    • Annie,

      "Old scabs"? There is an ongoing or completed takeover by Dims and establishment Pukes and the whole police state alphabet soup to force a war on Russia and a lot of other places. Even if it were not so, allying oneself with any Dim or Puke warmongers completely cancels any point one's trying to make. Of course the Donald never meant to do anything serious in the way of moderating the war push and of course some of the racists under the Democrat dictatorship are piping down now because otherly politicized racists are feeling triumphant and talking more. So what --where's the difference?

      Besides, Kay is a notorious Dim propagandist, so saying "ignoring someone’s point/argument" does not apply in the least.

    • RoHa,

      A little update on these here States is in order.
      Evidence is out of fashion, replaced by the word of the Democrat party. The same one that has been waging war against the Palestinian people all these years.

  • Victim's daughter responds to anti-Arab attack in Oregon: 'I don’t want this to be considered a hate crime'
    • Not to mention the little detail of the bitterly-fought-for circumcision honoraria, duly medicalized and made routine for most Goys in our post-war hospitals. I don't know how much they are billed today but every little bit and sliver helps.

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