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The War of Ideas in the Middle East
Duscany wrote: "Apparently Israelis have a need to hear how much other people love them"
That's the trouble with bought 'friendship' and 'love'. It is never sincere and always has to be checked.
Shreddding? That sounds familiar. Saddam Hussein was supposed to have done that - at least according to the Rendon propoganda stories leading up to the Iraq wars. Funny that that story was supposed to show how absolutely evil he was, worth starting a war over ... and here ... nothing. I guess evil is OK if we do it.
Teh Mooser wrote: Only Jews can do that. Genocide usually kills lesser peoples.
Genius! Chapeau!
The settler website states "he led 40 Sudanese infiltrators into Tel Aviv’s Gordon Pool".
Infiltrators?? Words no longer have any meaning in this wretched country.
As Humpty Dumpty said to Alice "When I use a word, it means just what I chose it to mean - neither more nor less".
Mearsheimer said something like: "Forming a Kurdish state would involve breaking up Syria, Iraq and Iran, "Israel's three principal adversaries." ..."
There are also Kurds in south Turkey so it would involve breaking up Turkey as well, a NATO member.
Facebook has an appropriately shady past. The Winklevoss twins argue they invented it whilst at Harvard.
The 'small electrical device' sounds like a Taser which is marketed as a non-lethal alternative to firearms. Cops in the US use it regularly on anyone who gets uppity (e.g. 83 yr old grandmother stopped for speeding) when they clearly would have not used a weapon. It is also only a 'less lethal' weapon as opposed to a 'non lethal' one and may have been used to torture people. It con be used either when placed in contact with the victim's skin or from several metres as it can fire two darts carrying electrical wires to conduct the electricty to the victim after the darts have penetrated their skin.
Google "Don't taze me bro"
annie wrote: "leased that boat in turkey for the underage sex (human trafficing)"
Darn, must get some new glasses. I first read that as 'humus trafficing'.
I just happen to have to hand my trusty 1978 edition of the Concise OED. It gives the following entry for 'infiltrate''
"Permetate by filtration; (cause to) enter gradually and impereceptibly (as settlers, occupying troops, spies, etc)"
That's a perfect description of the Zionists and their infiltraitors in the US!
Goldtone's confession and its presentation remind me of the televised confessions made by dissidents in the USSR. Haggard men reading scripts, confessing publicly to the most unlikely events. The inclusion of the Itamar murders is a dead giveaway - that is not Goldstone's style or work.
That's the beauty of pre-emptive defense. The Israelis 'knew' that the Palestinanians were about to act, so they got their pretaliation in first.
I believe he withdrew his confession alleging it was forced out of hm following abuse in custody. He is the alleged murderer until he has been tried and found guilty. Has he been found guilty?
Not so long ago, a family of 6 Israelis were brutally murdered in their home. The victims included a child of 3 and a baby aged 3 months. The police investigated this murder properly and brought the alleged murderer and accomplice to trial. It turns out there was a serious disagreement between the victim and assailant. There was also no outpouring of demands that this attack be condemned, nor attempts to implicate a whole population group for the actions of an individual. Two very different treatments for two very similar crimes. The alleged murderer of the Oshrenko family was Jewish, making aliyah in 2004, whilst the murderer of the Itmar family is unknown.
link to jpost.com
The wheel fell off the Hasbarrow a long time ago. All you are doing is digging yourself in deeper. Funny to watch though.
I like your sense of humour. Tell me that Jewish joke again, the one about killing a Turk and then resting.
One addittional comment, someone asked a while ago about archiving web sites locally. I have found Httrack which is very easy to use and very effective.
Thanks. I like the neat touch of including what appears to be property fo sale (?) at the base of the same page.
Udi Aloni wrote: "An article published at a weekly religious Zionist publication, which mentioned death camps for “Amalek,” makes me fear even more. "
Do you have a source for this? A scanned copy?
I don't know mine, but given I'm a goy, I guess I must be rhesus positive. I'll get my coat.
Rabbi Dov Lior is totally ignorant of the actualities of gentics. I am currently reading Steven Jones' rather excellent book 'In The Blood' which happens to cover the effects of closed group breeding. For example. Ashkenazi Jews have 'relatively high frequencies of several different inherited disorders .. Tay-Sach's disease ... Gaucher's Syndrome ... Niemann-Pick Disease, and others associated with the develoment of nervous tissue' (p 141). This type of effect is also present in any closed group e.g Finns have their problems, so no, genetics is not anti-semitic! Nature prefers diversity.
"Israeli soldiers" (thereby meaning EVERY adult Israeli citizen)
Are you sure about that? I think you may be exaggerating a little.
YouTube have removed the first video in your post. Reading the YouTube Terms and Conditions, I find:
"Graphic or gratuitous violence is not allowed. If your video shows someone getting hurt, attacked or humiliated, don't post it."
That is surely going to be relevant to most video showing the IOF in action. Nice one, Google.
No one forced the soldiers to fire the teargas. No one forced them to attack demonstrators. They did it by choice, for as we all know, following orders is no excuse when it comes to illegal orders.
Kathleen wrote "Too bad that Assange has held back the info on Israel"
My understanding of the release process is that the conventional newspapers decided which documents to release, redacted them and supplied them to WikiLeaks. This is an excellent strategy from WikiLeaks point of view. However it has left them vulnerable to publication biases in the MSM. This process may change following the recent actions of the Guardian.
In my view, WikiLeaks decision to use conventional MSM to redact, publish and release then to WikiLeaks site is a wise decision. These conventional 'respectable' MSM outlets are now tied into the publication of the information. An attack on WIkiLeaks is an attack on them as well. If the information had solely been released to bloggers, then, as far as the general public are concerent, the bloggers could be targeted as 'anti-American' or 'terrorists' as is Assange, and dealt with in the same way.
A quote from Pepe Escobar may help:
"The emperor badly needs to set an example: see what happens when you defy my will. Yet the US Department of Justice's strategy doesn't exactly embody Kant's categorical imperative. They will try by all means necessary to force Manning to testify against Assange - and then charge Assange as a conspirator in "cablegate" and the Iraq and Afghan file leaks."
I will see your Hitler and raise you the Liberty.
Once there is a Palestinian state ...
OK so let Palestine declare a state via the UN.
States are defined by boundaries. Can you direct me to a map that shows the boundaries of the state of Israel?
You left out eeee's integrity. What are you trying to do? Oppress the guy?
You once claimed a steel works was stolen. To reclaim it, you have to go back to Poland. Unless of course you weant the Poles to dig it up and air mail it to you.
eee - your comment is meaningless drivel.
Please remember to borrow your faily brain cell before typing. You might then stand a chance of writing something coherent.
"He told Cantor to make sure aid continues to flow to Saudi Arabia.
Makovsky did not detail the rationale, but I assume it is to pressure Iran."
It is also to prove that Israel doesn't receive special treatment. <cough>
It seems to me that Israel keeps adding requirements that have to be met prior to even starting to talk about peace. Does anyone know of a timeline listing these requirements?
Sorry if this is well known to everyone else. I am just curious.
You mean this Brand Israel?
"I am part of a team putting out a book on the Goldstone Report in the new year (which you should buy here)"
Sorry, bro. Ain't buying a thing via Amazon.
One of the accusers has someting interesting to say in this area. Google for "Sjustegsmodell for legal revenge" (posted Jan 19, 2010) and translate Swedish to English (or whatever)
Any potential legal case against Assange, even if valid, is thoroughly tainted. Could he get a fair trial after this trial-by-media? No, and that is the whole point.
The only good news about this absurd focus on Assange is that it allows his other colleagues to continue their work out of the limelight. Anyone interested in real analysis of this episode should go to Arthur Silber:
link to powerofnarrative.blogspot.com
"consensual sex without a condom, which is considered a crime in Sweden"
so how do the Swedes go about making legal little Swedes? Do they buy them from Ikea as a partially assembled platpack ... and an ill-fitting allen key?
Otherwise, boy, the Swedes are gonna have a serious demographic problem with all those illegal little swedes taking over.
"Israel is so shoddy" - ah, that explains it - is actually an Ikea flatpack that comes partially assembled, with indecipherable instructions and an ill-fitting allen key.
Try the Guardian - lots of interesting stuff.
link to guardian.co.uk
A cable dated Jan 2007 ... refers to the struggle of Peretz and Sneh " to bring recalcitrant elements in the IDF to heel" (the Israeli government could not control its military? Just who has control of Israel's nukes?)
link to guardian.co.uk
A cable dated July 2007 .... in which Mossad man Dagan states that Qatar is a real problem and "I think you should remove your bases from there...seriously," ... (hmmm home of Al Jazeera with its excellent ME coverage and how Israel might then solve that problem with the US out of the way?)
link to guardian.co.uk
A cable from Aug 2007 ... Dagan again ... the US should not provide Arab countries with weapons as "They do not use the weapons effectively." (those backwards Ayrabs?) ... a one of the 5 pillars for dealing with Iran was to "force regime change" (gee, I thought that was illegal, but hey, we're all gangstas now) ... Dagan also stated "Three Iranian banks are on the verge of collapse." ... (unlike American banks of course) ... and "the U.S. should also coordinate with Azerbaijan and countries to the north of Iran, to put pressure on Iran. Russia, he said, would be annoyed, but it would be fitting, as Russia appears bent on showing the U.S. that it cannot act globally without considering Russia" ( so Israel is stirring antangonism between Russia and the US by tweaking the US ego. But of course, Israel would benefit)
Interesting details, but as you say nothing new, Israel comes first yadda, yadda.
From link to nicholasmead.com
"It is thought that one of the women involved, Anna Ardin, specializes in women’s rights as part of her work. If so, she would have known the legal process intimately when it comes to reporting rape cases in Sweden"
and
"It was known from the start that Ardin didn’t make an official allegation of rape at the police station. She merely “wanted some advice on what to do” perhaps knowing that by doing so, legally she couldn’t later be accused of making a false accusation or charged with wasting police time if the allegations turned out to be false. However, if she had an in-depth knowledge of the legal procedure when it comes to reporting rape in Sweden, she may have known that legally, the police had to record it as a rape incident and thus set the wheels in motion to capture the so called rapist.
In other words, it’s a legal loophole that makes it possible to make a false accusation with no fear of recriminations for wasting police time or making false accusations."
The Israelis would go for that. Once Pollard was released and back in Israel, they would then round up the 1000 teenagers and another 1000 for good measure.
Such as 911 was good for Israel (Netanyahu)? or that the US can easily be moved (Netanyahu)?
Great. So all it needs is for some script kiddie to tweak it to attack any Siemens controller / other plant types and a large part of the world's industrial plant control is fscked. There is no antivirus software for this stuff.
They just can't stop adding conditions can they? First they added the condition that the deal must be in writing. Now that is done, they want Pollard released, then what? The keys to Fort Knox? A free nuclear powered aircraft carrier? A free boomer? At some point a line will be crossed.
Maybe there is madness to Obama's method after all.
I think Bibi "Are you sure the mike's off" Netanyahu stated it quite clearly.
“I know what America is,” Netanyahu replied. “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in their way.”
Hmmm. Vacant expression, forced smile. I think she will do a much better job of performing the Hilary Clinton monkey dance at the AIPAC conference.
Ooops - botheration. I got the html tag wrong. Here (hopefully) is what I really meant to write.
Gideon Levy proposes that Israel be renamed the Jewish Republic of Israel. Seems appropriate to me.
Gideon Levy proposes that Israel be renamed the . Seems appropriate to me.
May I suggest an autobiography title: "A Privilege to Lie"
and by his actions.
Chapeau!
Considering everyone else a 'gentile, ' a uniform other, is racism at its worst.
Mr Weiss's wife said:
"You see him when he’s young and with that beautiful woman and so full of hope to save his people. They were being slaughtered in Europe and here he is in this rough tough land and trying to make a place for them. I’m moved by that. The world was all culpable in what happened."
Nice try, but the whole world was not culpable. Was a baby born in 1945 culpable? Were the Eskimo culpable? The Aborigines in Australia? Were the Europeans who sheltered Jews in their attics culpable?
Oooops - messed up the URL link.
"Unifil, the UN force that monitors the border, today said the tree was in Israeli territory."
Hmmm, I thought Israel had no totally defined borders, to allow itself maximum leeway when taking land from other countries.
Also the image shows Israeli troops on one side of the fence and the tree on the other. All other instances of fences constructed by Israel are invariably on other peoples' land rather than Israel's. Why should this one be different? Perhaps the Blue Line is a bit like Kill a Turk - i.e start a war, advance the Blue Line and rest. Repeat ad mauseum.
It is asserted that US and Israel's interests are identical. The US has an interest in Afghanistan and the major (though not Special and True Friend) allies are pulling out leaving us to carry the weight. Given all the money and military aid Israel gets, it can surely spare some boots on the ground for the hearts and mind operations. Come on Israel, get some troops in there with us.
Don’t look to conscription to spread burdens evenly
Ask Cheney about that.
$10/gal gasoline
That's what I like - an optimist in the house.
In the US, it is known as a twofer, or more accurately a hundredfer.
This is Bibigate, the whole enchilada. Derailing the peace process, control of the US, AIPAC etc as foreign agents (as they do the actual moving). Where has the US been moved to? A Homeland Security state, war in Iraq for Israel, war to come in Iran for Israel.
Good call! Have you got their number?
Bibi's gonna be real pissed "If you can't trust a Jew, who can you trust?"
But the eggs are placed in the cartons in the most moral fashion possible.
Palestinians, Americans, whatever. Goys are all the same.
"Zionist tendencies" - what Zionist tendencies do you have - racism? oppression? dehumanisation? support for a 'pure' state?
Mr Horowitz wrote "I know they say geographic location isn't a consideration, but this seems to be a very convenient oversight."
You are being very generous. Every house owner knows, that when it comes to facts on the ground its location, location, location all the way!
At 04:00 am EST 14 July, MaritimeTraffic has no trace of Amalthea, other than the last known position long/lat 32.9 31.6 heading 143 recorded at 1:49 UTC (about 8:49 EST previous day) about 90 km (approx 50 nm) from EL Arish. The ship was only travelling at 1.4 knot, and not heading directly to EL Arish, so perhaps it had engine trouble. However, as Mr Parry wrote, that shouldn't affect the transponder. That should still be active unless there has been a total loss of electrical power or the transponder has been turned off. It is strange that there are no reports of radio communications suggesting a engine problem. Surely the captain of a drifitng vessel of the size of the Amalthea would at least send out some notification of problem and position to alert nearby shipping to be aware that the ship was not maneuverable.
Ahhh - "Where's Gandhi?" - a true classic. Most people forget the equally great B side follow up "In a Israeli Prison".
Somebody breaks into my property, steals my stuff, deliberately damages other parts of my stuff, takes over the upper rooms of my house and hurls abuse and garbage down on me. And I'm supposed to normalize relations with them? How does that work in real life? In America, I think I would be fully justified in using lethal force to eject the fsckers from my property. Isn't that right, Mr. Witty?
On the one hand, the US is imposing sanctions on Iran regarding its non-existent nuclear weapons. On the other, the US is submitting to Israel's blackmail (give us the goods or we trash Iran, and ooops, oil goes to $200 a barrel and there goes your (US) economy). After all, Iran is no real threat to Israel or the US. It's only real crime is not submitting to the hegemon. Human rights, democracy, etc are just pabulum for the gullible public.
Further venality: Haaretz reports a secret document stating that the US will sell Israel materials for a civilian nuclear programme even though Israel has not signed the NPT.
link to commondreams.org
And don't forget Netanyahoo said 9-11 was good for Israel - the country that deliberately attacked an uarmed US vessel in international waters and tried to murder the crew.
Remember the Liberty.
“Ach, I hate this place. The food is like poison, and the portions are so small!"
Sir, sir, me sir! I know the answer to this one!
It's about the Palestinians in Gaza isn't it?
Looks like the Turkish and the Iraqi Kurd governments may be working together to defuse the PKK. Apparently Turkey has established a consulate in Iraq Kurdistan and assigned one of its best diplomats to the post.
link to mideast.foreignpolicy.com
If a peaceful solution is achieved, another stone will have been kicked away from under Israel's feet.
Castrated any Arabs recently?
Killed any Turks recently?
Atzmon is alledgedly a Jewish Anti-Semite (???? does that mean he wants to exterminate himself?)
i) Kill A Turk
ii) Castrate An Arab
iii) Jew Exterminates Himself
My mind will now explode in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
Close, it was on Staring AT The Sea by The Cure in 1986.
Another song on the album was called Boys Dont Cry - those elite IDF commandos obviously hadn't listened to the whole album. Unles of course their crying was aimed at getting the sympathy vote.
First there was Kill A Turk, now there is Castrate An Arab. I thought impounding medical oxygen tanks was low, but it seems these people will always go the extra step.
Witty, it's a ticking timebomb situation. Which side are you on?
Witty, one day you may have to decide which side of the fence you are on. US or Israel. Which side is it?
Darn - not enough ziocaine - I missed out the word "T-shirt"
Would a photomontage of Jeffrey Goldberg wearing a Jerusalem Post "I want you for Israel's PR Corps" be
i) cruel
ii) inapropriate
iii) anti-semitic
iv) all of the above
UNIX wrote "Egypt is free to open its borders with Gaza"
A hyothesis: The moment that happens, Israel will be required to defend itself from the Humus threat and use a rolling barrage to drive the Gazans onto Egyptian territory, followed by a prompt sealing of the border by Israel.
Israel will become an apartheid state if it does not divest itself of the Palestinian people in the territories that it occupies.
There, fixed that for you.
It is quite clear that Israel wants land and 'pure' state over peace.
If I was a pedant, I would point out that 'both' applies to 2 items not 3, but in this case I will treat it as an ironic use! The Israelis/Hasbarists always go the extra step.
This version is for English speakers i.e. the US. The real story about liberalisation of goods transfer is in the Hebrew versions of newspapers. There, from what I understand, the real story is the Israeli government is considering talking about talking about liberalising goods transfer (or words to that effect).
So, the same all song. A sham for the stupid goyim to salve their conscience with Israeli convolution and foot dragging until the story fades away.
Oded Ravivi, leader of the Efrat regional council, "a member of the Likud Central Committee, an attorney and a lieutenant colonel in the reserves" cmes out with the classic weasel phrase "I don't want to sound like I am encouraging illegal activity" when accepting settler violence is effective.
Apparently, the Israelis refer to the 'Rachel Corrie' as the' Linda', its previous name. It seems that the phrase 'Rachel Corrie' has some seriously bad juju with the mighty IDF.
link to warincontext.org
If it is true, the IDF reputation really is disintegrating. No wonder they were trying to keep it quiet. The IDF was trashed by Hezbollah, Hamas and Gaza survive the Israeli depredations, the elite special forces bounced by unarmed civilians ... All the IDF can do is take things out on the unarmed and physically defenceless.
Thanks for that. I thought one Cheney in the world was sufficient, but I suppose one can never have too much of a good thing.
You noticed a referewnce to “Lieutenant Colonel” (nicknamed “Cheney” ...) in an earlier story? On Hybrid States? Do you have a url? I have done a site search and not found it.
Interesting updates on the flotilla murders at:
link to hybridstates.com
"That puts me and every other Jew (apart from the Israelis, who are non-people and don’t matter) in peril."
And the Israeli nuke-armed subs off Iran put the whole world in peril. If nothing else, US and Nato troops are downwind of the target sites.
Reminds me of a joke made by a clown against a member of the audience at a circus (it's actually a joke within a larger joke, involving the clown and twin brothers who are identical apart from the fact that one is as thick as a [Meh - I never can tell jokes properly.]
Clown: Are you the front end of an ass?
Man in audience: No!
C: Are you the back end of an ass?
MiA: No!!!
C: Then you must be no end of an ass.
Reminds me of a joke made by a clown against a member of the audience at a circus (it's actually a joke within a larger joke, involving the clown and twin brothers who are identical apart from the fact that one is as thick as a plank and the other is very sharp (or so he thinks) - hmmm, it seems SO appropriate)
Clown: Are you the fron end of an ass?
Man in audience: No!
C: Are you the fron end of an ass?
MiA: No!!!
C: Then you must be no end of an ass.
Why wait for 'hafrada' to become as dirty as 'apartheid'? Save time and use apartheid. The Facts On The Ground are sufficiently clear.
The NY Times piece "Imagining an Israeli Strike on Iran" states "In 2007, it wiped out a North Korean-built reactor in Syria"
Wasn't this 'reactor' a figment of Israel's febrile imagination? After it's destruction only 2 particles of nuclear material were found, I believe. So the Syrians essentially are left having to prove a negative i.e. that the site was not a nuclear reactor.
There are other similarities. The Nazis used archaeology to support the idea of German racial superiority connction with the land etc. Read the paper
Schmidt, M. (1999) Reconstruction as ideology: the open air museum at Oerlinghausen, Germany In Stone, P.G. and Planel, P.G. (eds.), The Constructed Past: Experimental archaeology, education and the public, London: Routledge, 146-156.
There are reports of Israeli archaeologists supressing data relating to the presence of Arabic / Islamic material culture in sensitive areas within Israel.
Gilad Atzmon has a link to a film at
link to iamisrael.com
Is this a realistic representation of Israel?
The loss of Freeman was a great blow. The main article above was excellent. The main trouble with it is that at one level it is (literally) just words. It allows the Hasbara to dispute endlessly the meaning of words like 'apartheid' and so on and on. Israel lays great claim to 'facts on the ground'. The article therefore should illustrate pictorially these facts on the ground. I suggest showing side by side an image of the West Bank e.g. the B'Tselem 2006 map showing the route of The Wall and a map of the Bantustans of South Africa. The similarity is stunning and undeniable.
There is no longer a separate viable Palestinian state.
So the joke is no longer killing a Turk but killing a Palestinian?
potsherd wrote: "I have not specifically heard whether the US also uses these flechette weapons with its drones"
The US armed forces are insufficiently moral. Consequentally, they are not allowed to use such reprehensible weapons.
You beat me to it.
"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Netanyahu in Haaretz
Remember the Liberty