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eljay

I'm a happily-married, vegetarian and atheist Canadian with two wonderful cats. :-)

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  • 'BirthWrong' in the Cradle of Jewish Culture: Jews gather in southern Spain for tour that aims to repudiate Zionism
    • || Jackdaw: Self hating Jews now have a trademark! ||

      Nasty, nasty Hobbitses...I mean, "self hating Jews". Shame on them for distancing themselves from Jewish supremacism and all the injustice and immorality that it comprises. :-(

      Your petulance is amusing. :-)

  • Israeli army can't stop patting itself on the back for helping Nepal victims
    • || Steve Grover: ... Because that is what Israel is. Its an occupier! Even the bathroom doors say occupied! ||

      Yup, they stole it all and left the Palestinians without a pot to piss in.

      It never occurred to me to compare Israel to a malodorous WC. Interesting.

  • David Horowitz to OSU: 'Jews didn't expel the Arabs in 1948' and 'the occupation is a huge lie'
    • “Occupation is one huge lie…. because if you think the Jews stole the land, then you don’t pay attention to all the amazing things Israelis have done to contribute to YOUR health…cell phones, you owe the Israelis that (#2, 25:00).

      That is the "reasoning" of a complete moron! It's like arguing that the victims in the rapist's basement aren't really there because the rapist happens to be a good hockey coach and he also helped several people build decks in THEIR back yards and you owe him that.

  • Night of horror at Ben Gurion airport for two French music students
    • || amigo: And we have folks who post here who are proud of this so called light unto the nations. ||

      They call it a "light unto the nations" and a "moral beacon"...and then they defend it as being better than Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

      It's all part of the personality disorder that is Zio-supremacism and the "Jewish State" project.

  • Haneen Zoabi's power and vision (and answers to Theodore)
    • || jon s: eljay, Unlike you , I think it’s up to the Palestinians. If they want an Islamic state, guided by Sharia, it’s their call, non of my business. So I’m not going to condemn- or support – whatever regime they install . ||

      As far as shocking revelations go, this one is on par with "the sun rises in the East". Of course you're not going to condemn a non-secular and -democratic Palestine, should one come to pass:
      - Such a state would be a boon to you and to Zio-supremacists like you, given your penchant for striving to be better than the worst rather than as good as the best.
      - And, anyway, condemning it would underscore your hypocrisy.

    • || jon s: link to palestinianbasiclaw.org ||

      Chapter One: General Foundations of the State
      . . .
      Article (2)
      ... The Palestinian people are part of the Arab and Islamic nations. ...

      . . .

      Article (5)
      Arabic is the official language and Islam is the official religion in Palestine. ...

      . . .

      Article (7)
      The principles of the Islamic shari`a are a main source for legislation. ...

      I disagree with, object to and condemn each of these points. The Palestinian people - that is, the people of a Palestinian state - should not be part of an Islamic nation. Palestine should not have an "official religion". And Sharia should not be the "main source for legislation".

      None of this, however, absolves Israel of its past and on-going (war) crimes, and none of it is justification for Israel to continue to exist as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

    • || jon s: Bumblebye, Eljay, The Palestinian state will be Islamic. ||

      A future Palestinian state might be Islamic...but it might not.

      The existing Israeli state is Jewish supremacist (and colonialist and expansionist and oppressive) and shows no sign of changing.

      IOW: Let the criminal continue with his crimes, but abort the fetus you think might one day become a criminal. Interesting.

    • || jon s: Note that this is what she says about two states:
      “Two states, I mean a Palestinian state and a neutral democratic state. ”
      In other words, the Palestinians can have a state, but not the Jews. ||

      The Palestinians can have a secular and democratic state of and for all citizens of, immigrants to and expats and refugees from the geographic region comprising a Palestinian state; a state with full and equal rights for everyone. It makes sense for Ms. Zoabi to advocate a Palestinian state.

      "The Jews" (which is to say, the Zio-supremacists) want a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel; a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews; a state with less/different rights for non-Jewish Israelis; a state that, among other things, denies its non-Jewish refugees the right to return to their homes and lands. It makes no sense for Ms. Zoabi to advocate a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

    • Haneen Zoabi: ... for me it’s not a practical question, whether we are talking about two state or one state. But two states– not a Zionist state one of them. Two states, I mean a Palestinian state and a neutral democratic state.

      Two states - both of them neutral democratic states of and for all of their respective citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally. Yes.

      What is more important is values of equality, values of justice.

      Equality and justice: Two things you will never see/hear Zio-supremacists advocating.

  • Obama's role model to journalists -- Dorothy Thompson -- turned against Zionism and was silenced
    • Many readers will find President Obama’s toast to the press at the end of Saturday night’s White House Correspondents Association dinner encouraging. He reminded journalists of their actual mission:

      "It is not the fact of liberty but the way in which liberty is exercised that ultimately determines whether liberty itself survives."

      There’s a supreme irony in Obama quoting Thompson, whose truly stellar career ended in charges of antisemitism from Zionists, to a crowd of journalists who quake in fear of having their careers destroyed by Israel supporters ...

      There's a supreme irony in Obama - who supports many injustices including aggression, torture, assassination, expansionism and supremacism - cautioning his audience about the abuse of liberty.

  • Is there room for liberal Zionists in an anti-Zionist movement?
    • || DaBakr: the idea that somehow so-called ‘liberal zionists’ are going to wake up and join anti-Zionists in droves is preposterous. ||

      I agree. "Liberal Zionists" may be "kinder, gentler" supremacists, but they're still supremacists.

  • Forgiving the anti-Semites
    • || y.f.: ... In the future when studying early 21st century blurring of the lines between anti semitism and anti Zionism, this column by Phil Weiss and the comments by the “crew” will be cited as a great example of this blur. Congrats, Phil and “crew”! Great job! ||

      Don't forget to congratulate Zio-supremacists (including yourself, although hophmi gets the blue ribbon) for contributing to the blurring by constantly conflating Zionism with Jews and Judaism and then labelling as anti-Semitic many (most?) legitimate examples of anti-Zionism.

    • || RoHa: And when you arrived in that country, would you then have joined a “Jewish national liberation movement” to take that country from its native inhabitants? ||

      The answer to that question is what Zio-supremacists refer to as "nuances". Or was it "morality"? No, I'm pretty sure "morality" is "goal + methods", so it must be "nuances".

    • || catalan: Yelling and name calling, which is what you specialize in ... will not change the opinions of those who disagree with you. ||

      On the Internet, yelling is done in "all caps". I'm not yelling.

      And I'm not calling anyone names. I use the label "Zio-supremacist" to correctly describe someone who believes in Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist "Jewish State". Do you object to labels? If 'yes', feel free to take to task the next person (most likely hophmi) who uses the term "anti-Semite" or "Jew hater".

      As for changing opinions, Zio-supremacists - even "liberal Zionists" - have made it very clear that they stand firmly behind Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist "Jewish State". I'm quite certain that none of them will abandon Zio-supremacism and embrace justice, accountability and equality simply because I stop using the term Zio-supremacist.

    • || catalan: It’s like you want me to be a “Zionist” so you can do “gotcha”. ||

      I don't want you - or anyone - to be any type of supremacist, not even a Zio-supremacist. My apologies for incorrectly assuming you were one - I didn't realize that you opposed Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist "Jewish State".

      || I just try to express my opinions in a civilized manner. What’s so bad about having an opinion that differs from yours? ||

      I agree that it's fine to have differences of opinion. So...are you disagreeing with my opinion regarding Zio-supremacists, or are you suggesting I shouldn't have one?

    • || jon s: ... In the Bible itself we are told repeatedly to remember the oppression in Egypt for a purpose- so as not to do the same to others. In Exodus (22:20): And you shall not mistreat a stranger, nor shall you oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.And again: (Exodus 23:9): And you shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the feelings of the stranger, since you were strangers in the land of Egypt. Also in Deuteronomy (10:19): You shall love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. ||

      And, yet, Zio-supremacists either:
      - don't remember these things; or, worse,
      - do remember these things...but don't care.

    • || catalan: The killing of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, and the mentally ill in Europe was unique in that it was detached from any political or military considerations. It was racial" ||
      || Giles: See what I mean. The uniqueness of Jewish suffering. ||

      One of the disturbing things about Zio-supremacists is the effort they put into promoting the Holocaust as "The Bestest Genocide Ever!"©

      ("The more you suffer, the more it shows you really care. Right? Yeah." - with apologies to the Offspring)

      Another disturbing thing is their hypocrisy regarding acts of injustice and immorality. They're content to commit - or to have their hardier co-collectivists commit - acts of injustice and immorality against others that they would not have others commit unto them (or even onto anyone else).

    • || hophmi: Eljay (for about the 20th time), asks me whether I agree with JeffB’s statement ... ||

      It took 20 requests because you avoided responding to the first 19.

      || I do not agree with JeffB’s sentiment at all. Bigots blame individuals for the acts of their communities, whether they are anti-Muslim bigots, anti-Christian bigots, anti-Jewish bigots, anti-Black bigots, or anti-Hispanic bigots. ||

      See? That wasn't so hard. Next time, don't run scared from such a simple question.

      And thanks for finally answering it. :-)

    • || Donald: Anyway, here’s the advice. Focus on the racism. ... Don’t mix irrelevancies in with serious criticism. ||

      Good advice.

      || And look what happened in this thread. Are we discussing the racism of American Jewish supporters of Israel? Nope. It’s all about anti-semitism. Again. ||

      That's inevitable when hophmi's involved. He notices anti-Semitism in just about anything.

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    • || Froggy @ April 28, 2015, 11:25 am ||

      Good post. Thank you.

    • || DaBakr: to be obtuse about being obtuse is beyond the scope of of anybody with a mediocre mind. ||

      Trust me, I feel bad for you and hophmi. :-(

      On a more positive note, the two of you can be special friends! :-)

    • || Mayhem: @eljay, the Nazis in their negotiations with al-Husseini had plenty planned for the Jews living in Palestine at the time, which would have potentially done a lot to damage Israel and Israelis. Note that in law a crime intended and foiled is nevertheless a punishable crime. ||

      OK, so:
      - The Nazis had "plenty planned" for the Jewish inhabitants of Palestine (not "the Israelis").
      - Their plans were foiled.

      Got it. Thanks.

    • || hophmi: What’s the point, eljay? You’ll clearly never understand it. ||

      The point is to educate me. So, please, educate me:
      - Who, precisely, are "the Israelis"?
      - How did the Nazis (up to 1945) do things to "the Israelis" (1948 onward)?

      || What could you understand if you think that the crime of the Holocaust ended for the surviving victims when the killing stopped. ||

      Of course the crime ended when the killing stopped. Are you actually suggesting that when the killing was over, the killing continued?

      The trauma of the crime, on the other hand, continued beyond the cessation of the actual crime. I don't dispute that. But are you actually suggesting that no survivors other than "the Israelis" suffered trauma?

      If you're not suggesting that, then please explain what makes the trauma of "the Israelis" more valid or important than the trauma of any other survivors.

      Please also explain how the trauma of "the Israelis" justifies the past and on-going (war) crimes of Zio-supremacists and the state of Israel against the Palestinians.

      Thanks.

    • || hophmi: Which question is that? ||

      I know that you know very well which question that is, o' Most Dishonest One, but here is the link to it and here (below) it is in full (again). Please respond and don't do your usual dodge. Thanks.
      ______________________________
      JeffB asserted the following:

      There is nothing anti-Semitic with blaming Jews for stuff that Jews institutionally support. … Not holding the Jews responsible for Jewish policy on the excuse that “well some Jews didn’t agree” is denying them agency.

      IOW:
      – Jews are a monolithic group (“the Jews”); and
      – all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews.

      Do you agree that his assertion is anti-Semitic?

      JeffB thinks you would disagree:

      Hopmi and Yonah are Zionists. They get that Israel is the agency by which Jews as a nation take collective action. … What we do, we do as a people.

      Is he correct?

    • || Mooser: Even got off once or twice! ||

      Hmmm...hophmi does some outreach and suddenly you're getting off. This section of the thread has taken a rather disturbing turn... ;-)

    • || hophmi: I just don’t even know what to say when people are this obtuse. ||

      Nazis: up to 1945
      Israel: 1948 onward

      Please explain, o' Obtuse One, how the Nazis were doing things to the Israelis - particularly to Israeli children - in or prior to 1945.

    • || Mooser @ April 27, 2015, 3:16 pm ||

      Damn, that was funny! :-D

    • || hophmi: LOL. It’s sad. The Nazis didn’t do anything to the Israelis, except kill their parents, brothers, sisters, children, cousins, uncles, aunts, rabbis . . . ||

      It hasn't gotten any funnier, but it is very sad that you conflate Israel with Jews and, in the process, disappear the 20% of Israelis who are not Jewish.

      By the way, please don't forget to reply to my question to you re. JeffB's comment. Thanks.

    • || hophmi: LOL. It’s sad. ||

      It's not funny. And, yes, you are pretty pathetic.

      || The Nazis didn’t do anything to the Israelis, except kill their parents, brothers, sisters, children, cousins, uncles, aunts, rabbis . . . ||

      The Nazis did those things to Jewish and non-Jewish citizens of countries in Europe. They did not do those things to Israelis.

    • “The Israelis have never felt a sense of forgiveness about what was done to them by the Nazis. ... "

      The Nazis didn't do anything to the Israelis.

      Zio-supremacists, on the other hand, have been committing acts of injustice and immorality against the Palestinians for almost 70 years.

  • UN: 'Not a single destroyed home has been rebuilt' in Gaza since Israeli war last summer
    • || Mayhem: @blah chick, from what do the Gazans have to defend themselves? Don’t they realise that Israel would leave them alone if they hadn’t been lobbing thousands of rockets into Israel with the purpose of killing as many innocent Israeli civilians as possible. Israel left Gaza unilaterally in 2006 and Hamas decided to turn Gaza into a launching platform for attacks against Israel instead of building a viable society there. Smuggling weapons into Gaza is hardly conducive to establishing any kind of a peace. ||

      The victim in the rapist's basement (kidnapped, put there, kept there and regularly assaulted by the rapist...but we won't mention that) has nothing to defend herself against. If only she'd stop trying to harm the rapist, he'd - no, he wouldn't stop raping her and he wouldn't set her free, but he'd stop occasionally beating her to a pulp.

      And why doesn't that ungrateful bitch take advantage of all the textbooks and other reading materials the rapist has provided to her in an effort to improve her education? Making shivs out of scraps she finds in the basement is hardly conducive to establishing any kind of a peace*.

      (*Zio-supremacists love to talk about peace, but they detest - and detest talking about - justice, accountability and equality.)

  • Finkelstein goes to Syracuse and the opposition stays home
    • || pabelmont: NF is magnificent when he analyzes ... the ‘choices’ that international law as interpreted by HRW and AU and I suppose Israel and USA allow Gazans: the choice between dying slowly and dying immediately, because their fighters are restricted to fight ONLY from unpopulated places in that most densely populated place AND are not allowed to fire into Israel any weapons available to them ... ||

      It's sort of like giving the victim chained in the rapist's basement a choice between:
      - using the palm of her hand to slap the rapist; and
      - lying back and enjoying it.

      (Hevven forbid that the victim should harm the rapist...even as he continues to keep her chained in his basement and to rape her!)

      Meanwhile, the rapist is permitted to use his fists and brass knuckles on her.

      Zio-supremacists would refer to this as "nuances"...or maybe "morality". Or maybe both.

  • Reconstructionist Jewish site censors rabbi's essay because he supports BDS and one state
    • || bintbiba: Shmuel, What a magnificent statement. Your empathy, humanity and downright decency are breathtaking ! ||

      I'll second that comment.

  • Non-Jewish Israelis remain faceless, nameless, voiceless in 'New York Times' coverage
    • || Steve Grover: I want to take away any doubt that it is a Jewish Country from the Med to the River. ||

      Given that Israel is an Israeli country comprised of Israelis, some of whom are Jewish and some of whom are not, you haven't taken away any doubt.

    • || Steve Grover: Israel should call itself “Eretz Yisrael” in Hebrew and Jewland in English so everyone gets it. ||

      Unless Jewish becomes the bureaucratic nationality (no religious conversion required) of all citizens of, immigrants to and expats and refugees (e.g., the Palestinians) from Jewland - a nationality that bestows full and equal rights to all who hold it - "Jewland" is just the supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel with a different colour of lipstick.

  • AIPAC-backed legislation targeting BDS movement advances in Congress
    • || MHughes: ... Nothing is owned by someone now simply because owned by ancestors ... ||

      Zio-supremacism is injustice and immorality.

      It starts with the premise that Palestine belongs far less to its indigenous population than it does to citizens of the Jewish faith living in their respective countries (homelands) around the world, regardless of whether they even have any tangible ties to the region (i.e., they are n-generations removed from it).

      And it continues with:
      - Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population from their homes and lands;
      - the establishment of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of (Greater) Israel in Palestine;
      - almost seven decades (and counting) of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
      - a refusal to honour obligations under international law;
      - a refusal to accept responsibility and accountability for past and on-going (war) crimes; and
      - a refusal to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

    • || jon s: Israel is the Jewish historic homeland ... ||

      No, Israel is the historic homeland of Israelis – that is to say, of all non-Jewish and Jewish people from the geographic region comprising Partition-borders Israel.

      || Whether or not present-day Jews are all directly, biologically, descended from the ancient Hebrews or Israelites ... is not important in my view, since I’m not a racist ... ||

      You may not be a racist, but you are most clearly and unapologetically a supremacist.

    • || Kris @ April 27, 2015, 4:28 pm ||

      Zio-supremacism is ugly enough for claiming that the indigenous population of Palestine is less entitled to its land than are Jewish citizens of countries around the world.

      But what makes it even uglier is that those Jewish citizens don't even have to have any tangible ties - recent or remote - to Palestine. They just have to be people who have undergone a religious conversion to Judaism or who are descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      Zionism and its "Jewish State" project are religion-based supremacism.

    • || jon s: Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people ... ||

      No, Israel is the historic homeland of Israelis - that is to say, of all non-Jewish and Jewish people from the geographic region comprising Partition-borders Israel.

      || ... so Jews in Israel are not “invaders” or “colonialists” or anything of the sort ... ||

      Israeli Jews and non-Jews are not "invaders" or "colonialists" as long as they remain within the (Partition) borders of their state. Non-Israeli Jews and non-Jews are not Israelis, so they could be classified as invaders and/or colonialists.

    • || oldgeezer: Provided it stays within it’s original borders and adheres to international law and ihl then i can support it the same as any other state. That would include israel recognizing the right of return and either permitting it or negotiating compensation for those eligible. ||

      I'm with you on that, oldgeezer. And should the citizens of a secular and democratic Israel eventually vote to unite with a secular and democratic Palestine to form a new secular and democratic state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally, the right of self-determination* would validate that move.

      (*The real kind, not the immoral and unjust kind that leads to the establishment of oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist states.)

  • Using the dead: the 'NYT' works with Israel to justify military service
    • || Steve Grover: Thanks Mondoweiss for using this woman’s grief of the death her brother to amp up your Israel vilification. ||

      You're right: Israel vilifies itself often and effectively every time it (ab)uses the Holocaust to justify its past and on-going (war) crimes.

  • Accusations of anti-Semitism roil Stanford campus as student coalition denies discrimination charges
    • || hophmi: Krauss has always been one of the honest antisemites here. ||

      What about JeffB, hophmi? In this post (link), I provided for you yet again his assertion - that all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews - for you to address.

      Please don't be shy. Let's hear what you have to say. Thanks.

  • Marking Memorial Day in Tel Aviv with Kahanists and Combatants for Peace
    • The flag reads “The State of Israel for only the Israeli people” ...

      That sounds great...except that what it actually means is "The State of Israel as a religion-supremacist 'Jewish State' primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews".

      And that's far from great although, apparently, it's a bit better than Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

  • In defense of Cornel West's prophetic voice
    • || Donald: ... So much of American (I think you’re Canadian, but it might be the same there) political and intellectual life seems to be conducted on the level of high school kids competing to see who gets to be labelled the cool ones. ... ||

      I am and it certainly seems to be.

    • || Donald @ April 23, 2015, 12:24 pm ||

      Well said.

  • Will Graham's gaffe about 'all-Jewish cabinet' get the MSM to talk about pro-Israel money?
    • || steven l: ... The best defense as we all know, but you, is pre-emption. ||

      You make an excellent case for Iran pre-emptively striking Israel, a country that:
      - has one of the world's most powerful armies AND a nuclear arsenal;
      - is expansionist and belligerent; and
      - routinely makes existential threats against Iran.

  • Organizations across Canada oppose government effort to criminalize criticism of Israel
    • || steven l: Ignorance is bliss, uneducated bias is simply stupidity at its best. ||

      And Zio-supremacism is injustice and immorality with a fresh coat of lipstick.

    • DoubleStandard: ... It’s so transparently ridiculous how all of you paint yourselves as innocent critics of Israel when you are in fact calling for its dissolution through various forms of boycott. ... ||

      If "dissolution" is good enough for Iran - a nuclear-unequipped country operating within its borders - it's good enough for an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist, supremacist, belligerent and nuclear-equipped Israel that has been committing (war) crimes outside of its (Partition) borders for almost 70 years and with impunity.

  • Jews of France: should they stay or should they go?
    • || RoHa: ... if the term “Jewish” is to be meaningful, I think it needs to refer to more characteristics than just self-declaration and ancestry. ||

      IIRC, it also refers to:
      - different "sexual behaviour";
      - funny hats;
      - a dessert topping; and
      - a floor wax.

  • Three asylum-seekers who left Israel were killed by ISIS in Libya
    • || Jackdaw: The migrants were beheaded by Arabs, not Jews. ||

      Yup, Arabs killed and "moral beacon" Zio-supremacists expressed admiration: "We ♥ ISIS!"

      Awesome.

  • The moral hypocrisy of American Muslims for Palestine on the Armenian Genocide
    • In this statement, member organizations of the USCMO, including American Muslims for Palestine, make the case that President Obama should not refer to the “events of 1915” as a genocide without further investigation. They call for a more
      The fact that this statement came from every major Muslim organization in America is outrageous in itself. The fact that American Muslims for Palestine signed on to this statement is doubly heinous.

      How American Muslims for Palestine does not recognize the moral hypocrisy of such a denial “balanced” approach through academic consensus ...
      is beyond me.

      I agree that AMP is being morally hypocritical. Shame on them for acting like Zio-supremacists.

      Interesting (to me, at least) is the superficial similarity between USCMO's statement and Iran's flirtations with "a 'balanced' approach through academic consensus" regarding the Holocaust. (Although, to be fair, Iran does accept the Holocaust as an historical fact and a genocide.)

  • Leading American rabbi issues first public criticism of apartheid conditions in Jerusalem
    • || bintbiba: April 22, 2015, 2:07 pm Much respect, eljay !!! ; )) ||

      Thanks, bintbiba - and much respect in return! :-)

    • || Kay24: I agree. Yes sir, Eljay. :)) ||

      Finally I get a little respect around here! ;-) :-D

    • Torah sees idolatry as the worst of sins, for it leads to all the others. Greed. Lies. Slander. Robbery. Murder. God forbid that we turn the State of Israel into a Jewish idol.

      Too late: Thanks to hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists, the damage has already been done.

    • || Kay24: ... It is time Israel realized that as long as they keep the brutal occupation going, the blockades, collective punishment, and the building of illegal settlements, they are not entitled to be “recognized” as a Jewish state by the world. ||

      If/when Israel cleans up its act, it will be entitled to be recognized as a law-abiding state, not as a supremacist "Jewish State". No state - not even Israel - has a right to exist as a supremacist state.

  • A lesson from the New York Times on how to mislead with numbers
    • || Donald: ... I often wonder if they are deliberately and consciously deceptive, or if the bias is buried so deep in how they think it just comes out that way. ... ||

      IMO, zio-supremacists and their supporters know that what they're doing is wrong - they know they wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of the sh*t they give out - but they just don't care. And that's what makes their immorality even more hateful.

    • || DoubleStandard: I thought Mondoweiss does not allow anti-Semitism? ... ||

      You're right: It's surprising that JeffB is still permitted to post on MW, given his blatantly anti-Semitic assertion - which, to date, only one Zio-supremacist (y.f.) has bothered to refute - that all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews.

    • In an expertly designed data visualization, the Times guided us through its own version of events, which boils down to: Hamas started it, and Israel responded in self-defense.

      It's funny how the "versions of events" never seem to take into account the fact that Israel has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians for almost 70 years and with impunity.

      In other news, the Times has determined that in a recent altercation between the rapist and the victim chained in his basement - in which the victim punched and kicked at the rapist and he, in turn, beat her to a bloody pulp - the victim started it and the rapist responded in self-defence.

  • Terrorism and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: An argument
    • || JeffB: They are the descendants of people who used to live in France. ||

      They are citizens of Canada and the United States. They are not French expats.

      || An expat is someone who leaves the country of their citizenship. ||

      I know.

      || The “Palestinians refugees” are not expat Israelis they were never citizens of Israel. ||

      Of course they're not expat Israelis. They're Israeli refugees - refugees from the geographic region comprising Partition-borders Israel.

      || You need to think through your analogy a bit. ||

      My analogy is just fine. The Zio-supremacist analogy - that a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews is just like France and Canada - fails epically.

    • || JeffB: The people of New France (today chunks of Canada) can’t vote in French elections. ||

      Canadians are not expat French citizens.

      || The people of French Florida can’t vote in French elections and vote in American elections. ||

      Americans are not expat French citizens.

      || You just have weird criteria for a state. ||

      No, I have very reasonable - and non-supremacist - criteria.

    • || JeffB: If you want to argue France as a model that’s fine. There is a French nation, there is a territory of France and there is a French state. The French state exists to serve the French nation. The territory of France is governed by the French state. The people who live in French territory are almost all part of the French nation to greater and lesser degrees and are almost all assimilating towards greater membership in the French nation. That’s exactly what should be true of Israel and what Israel is aiming for. ||

      Except that's not true of Israel and it's not what Israel is aiming for.

      If it were, Israel would be - and/or would be striving to be - an Israeli nation of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats (incl. people up to n generations removed from Partition-borders Israel) and refugees, equally.

      Instead, Israel is - and shows no sign of wanting to be anything other than - a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

    • || JeffB: ... In the end either you agree Jews are humans and deserving of equality or you don’t ... ||

      I agree that Jews are humans and deserve equality. Equality does not comprise an entitlement to a supremacist state, no matter how anti-Semitically you argue that Jews are more special than humans and deserve one.

  • A tale of two Susiyas, or how a Palestinian village was destroyed under the banner of Israeli archeology
    • For almost 70 years, Zio-supremacists have stolen, occupied, colonized, oppressed, tortured and killed.

      And for almost 70 years they have blamed everyone but themselves for the actions they have done unto others - actions they would not have others do unto them.

      Zio-supremacists are truly hateful and immoral people.

  • Palestinian youth loses eye after being shot by Israeli forces in East Jerusalem
    • || Kate: Some of you may have noticed that my compilation of news wasn’t posted here on Saturday morning the 18th ... Sorry about that; it was unavoidable. ||

      Thank you for all the work you do. You have nothing to apologize for.

  • Dead End
    • || Steve Grover: @eljay Thanks for your concern. ||

      That's amusing, but you flatter yourself. You're a Zio-supremacist - I don't care about you or for you.

      || We’ll let JNF determine where the tree is planted. ||

      Spoken like, well, a true Zio-supremacist.

      || Still, I believe you like to drop the Zio-Supremacist bomb as often as Iran hangs people. ||

      I agree that both Zio-supremacists and Iranian hangings are immoral. But you're wrong about how often I use the term Zio-supremacist: I use it far more often than Iran hangs people because Zio-supremacists far outnumber the hangings.

      But we can both hope that one day there will be neither Zio-supremacists nor Iranian hangings.

    • || Steve Grover: ... I’ll plant a tree in Israel in your honor. ||
      || eljay: ... Start planting. ||

      And while I realize that this may be hard for you to do, please keep your planting activities confined to within Israel's (Partition) borders. Thanks. :-)

    • || Steve Grover: @eljay Compared to you, I am a personality-supremacist. ||

      "Right," said Fred.

      || See if you can write a post without the word Zio-Supremacist and I’ll plant a tree in Israel in your honor. ||

      I've written plenty of posts without the word Zio-supremacist in them. Start planting.

    • || Mooser: Grober wouldn ‘t get a sunburn for Zionism. ||

      Maybe not, but he might get a tan as he stands around, like R.W., holding his nose while his hardier co-collectivists do the dirty work.

    • || Steve Grover: ... in my humble opinion Jewish power is much more preferable than how it was prior to 1945. ||

      The victims of Jewish supremacism and (war) crimes would beg to differ.

      || If the Jews have power as you suggest, may it increase. ||

      Spoken like a true Zio-supremacist.

    • The MK said Arab-Israelis have a responsibility to both respect and understand the Nazi genocide responsible for the death of six million Jews.

      I have no idea why Arab-Israelis should "respect" any genocide, but I agree that they - along with everyone else in the world - should understand all genocides, embrace the lessons they impart and insist on the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.

      Zio-supremacists love to bray "Remember the Holocaust!" but, sadly, they have chosen to embrace injustice, immorality, supremacism and hypocrisy.

  • Israeli racism takes center stage at Manhattan JCC
    • Kahana-Dror rationalized the comments. Speaking in Hebrew, translated by Rabbi Cohen, she embraced the idea of Israel as an ethnocracy and disparaged the Palestinian political contribution to that society as demanding a Jewish “surrender” of identity:

      What kind of democracy are we going to be? The Israeli democracy is a democracy which doesn’t identify with the Palestinians. It’s a different peoplehood that we want to give the character of the state. It’s a different situation from the European democracy. The Israeli democracy is an ethnocracy and wants to give precedence to the Jewish ethnicity. So the real problem is what’s going to be our future… What the Arabs want is a different kind of state, a neutral state, not a Jewish state. So are we going to surrender our Jewish identity and our Zionism?

      IOW:
      - Israel is a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" and that's how I like it.
      - Palestinians want a "neutral" state - presumably with equality - and not a supremacist state.
      - This will not do.

      Zio-supremacists are truly hateful and immoral people.

  • Understanding the Jewish National Home
    • || hophmi: He’s suggested it elsewhere. ||

      You weren't addressing an "elsewhere" post of his when you "duly noted" an anti-Semitic comment he did not make in the post to which you were responding.

      || hophmi: I have no clue which JeffB comment you’re talking about. ||

      I don't believe you, but let me present to you once again (for the fifth or sixth time) his assertion:

      JeffB: There is nothing anti-Semitic with blaming Jews for stuff that Jews institutionally support. ... Not holding the Jews responsible for Jewish policy on the excuse that “well some Jews didn’t agree” is denying them agency.

      IOW:
      - Jews are a monolithic group ("the Jews"); and
      - all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews.

      Perhaps you haven't bothered to condemn his assertion for the anti-Semitism that it is because you agree with it. That's what he seems to think, anyway:

      JeffB: Hopmi and Yonah are Zionists. They get that Israel is the agency by which Jews as a nation take collective action. ... What we do, we do as a people.

      Is he correct?

    • Keith: ... Are you suggesting, for even a minute, that American Jews have historically been prevented from engaging in farming and other forms of manual labor? That Gentiles forced Jews to become Doctors, Lawyers, Financiers, Educators,etc? Well Hophmi, anytime you want to say goodbye to Wall Street and head west to become a migrant laborer living by the sweat of your brow, don’t let me or any other Gentile stop you! ...

      hophmi: ... Your antisemitic comment about Wall Street is duly noted. At the time of Ben-Gurion’s statement, of course, there were not many Jews in Wall Street firms. Jews have been able to become more prominent on Wall Street since then, and, surprise, surprise, there are now antisemites like Keith and others who have come out of the woodwork to suggest that Jews are too involved in finance, and that there are too many rich Jews.

      1. Keith very clearly did not say or imply that "Jews are too involved in finance, and that there are too many rich Jews."
      2. You, however, do appear to say it when you point out that "Jews have been able to become more prominent on Wall Street". (Why do you hate Jews so much?!)
      3. Your ability to consistently "note" anti-Semitism when it's not present indicates that you're either a liar, demented or both.
      4. It's telling that you never condemned JeffB's blatantly anti-Semitic assertion that all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews, even though I brought his comment to your attention more than once. Is anti-Semitism really acceptable when Zio-supremacists do it?

    • || Donald: ... But if you claim a fundamental right to land you and your ancestors haven’t lived on for centuries, you are headed for trouble even if you think you mean well. ||

      The trouble's even worse if you and your ancestors have never lived on the land at all, but you nevertheless believe that you and others like you - and not the indigenous population - are entitled to it.

    • || hophmi: Or simply, the Carlsbad resolution suggests that Zionists have always vied for peace, and it is their Arab neighbors who have been unwilling to make peace with them. ||

      Yup, nothing says "vying for peace" like:
      - proposing to establish a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine;
      - using terrorism and ethnic cleansing to realize such a state;
      - spending the next 60+ years (and counting) engaging in theft, occupation and colonization in order to expand that state;
      - refusing to honour obligations under international law (including the repatriation of refugees);
      - refusing to accept responsibility and accountability for past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
      - refusing to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      But, sure, the rapist has always "vied for peace" with the victims that he has chained in his basement and - shame on them - they have always been unwilling to make peace with him.

    • || Avigail Abarbanel: I find it really funny that I am called an extremist… ||

      A Zio-supremacist like hophmi considers you an extremist not because you favour peace (with which he's OK), but because you appear also to favour justice, accountability and equality (which which he's not OK).

      It's a sad - but very typical - commentary on Zio-supremacists, actually.

    • || sklein1953: A nearly four thousand year Jewish presence in the land is not historical myth. ||

      Neither is a nearly four thousand year non-Jewish presence in the land.

      Ta dah!!!

    • || hophmi: ... Zionism ... is in no way racist. ||

      But it is supremacist.

  • What to do when a hate group shows up outside your mosque
    • || OyVey00: I already said they’re not responsible. ||

      So...they're not responsible, but it's their burden to do something about the thing they're not responsible for. Okay.

      || No. What you don’t seem to understand is that I’m not making a moral judgment, I’m simply stating what will happen. No matter what you and I think about it, Jews WILL get targeted because of zionist policies. End of story. ||

      I agree that "the average Jew" is being targeted because of Zionist policies. I think that's unjust and immoral. And I blame the perpetrators, not the victims.

      || So if they want to protect themselves, they’d better do something to make muslims stop hating them. Like abandoning zionism and denouncing Israel. ||

      Uh-huh. And if they aren't Zionist and don't support Israel but they get killed anyway, then what? Will you suggest that Jews stop being Jews in order to make Muslims stop hating them? When, in your opinion, does criminal behaviour become the fault of the criminal instead of the fault of the victim?

    • || OyVey00: Ok but they’re going to magically transform into muslim lovers if you just cry loud enough about Islamophobia, or how should I take this? ||

      I don't know how they're going to transform, but the point is that, contrary to your assertion, Muslims in American are not responsible for the actions of Muslims elsewhere in the world.

      || Please. All kinds of studies show that diaspora Jews overwhelmingly support Israel. ||

      1. Overwhelming support is not unanimous support.
      2. It's interesting that you are agreeing with JeffB that all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews. I, on the other hand, cannot accept that Jewish people in, say, a Jewish grocery store in Paris are legitimate targets for murder because of the actions of a supremacist "Jewish State".

      (Similarly, I can't accept that Muslims in Arizona deserve to be killed or otherwise abused because Muslims elsewhere in the world are committing criminal acts.)

      || Besides, can you even name one influential Jewish organization that is explicitly anti-zionist? ||

      Can you name one influential Jewish organization that has been authorized by every Jewish person in the world to speak on his/her behalf?

    • || OyVey00: ... Considering most of them are recent immigrants, maybe they could use their assets to fund moderate mosques in their home countries. Or even break away from mainstream Islam and found some kind of reform Islam, analog to those of Judaism and Christianity. ||

      Islamophobic Joe Six-Pack isn't going to give two sh*ts that Mooslims in Amurrika fund moderate mosques "back where they came from" or founded some other type of Islam. If it were as simple as that, you wouldn't be making the assertion I quoted below.

      || OyVey00: ... as long as Jews collectively support Israel, they’re just asking for repercussions. ||

      Thing is, Jews don't collectively support Israel.

    • || OyVey00: I never said they’re responsible. But if they really want to reduce Islamophobia, then stopping bad behavior among muslims is the way to go ... ||

      If law-abiding Muslim Americans in Arizona are not responsible for the actions of Muslim African migrants:
      - why are non-Muslim Americans entitled to fear and/or hate them unless they stop the bad behaviour of Muslims elsewhere in the world; and,
      - how are Muslim Americans in Arizona they supposed to stop Muslims elsewhere in the world from doing bad things?

      (How, exactly, were they supposed to stop those Muslim African migrants from throwing Christian African migrants overboard into the Mediterranean?)

      || It’s the same for Jews of course. Rising antisemitism is directly linked with bad behavior of Jews – in this case Israel’s. ||

      If anything, the bad behaviour of Israeli Jews should trigger reactions against Israelis or Zio-supremacists, not against random Jewish citizens of countries around the world.

    • || OyVey00: Okay, so a bunch of muslims just threw a dozen christians over board of their ship and let them drown. This kind of stuff happens all the time lately. And then you wonder why people don’t like you guys. ||

      Holding law-abiding Muslim Americans in Arizona responsible for the actions of some Muslims - in this case, Muslim African migrants in the Mediterranean - is no better than JeffB's anti-Semitic assertion that all Jews are responsible for actions of some Jews.

    • Imagine stepping out of your house of worship and seeing a group of screaming, belligerent hecklers ripping apart your holy book – spitting on and stomping on the pages. Imagine being shouted down, and told your faith is a lie by a group of people flashing gaudy, hate-filled signs and matching tee-shirts. This has become the reality for worshippers at the Islamic Community Center of Tempe. ... It is also unclear on whether or not Steven or any of the other street-preachers were carrying weapons outside the Tempe mosque. He does appear to be wearing some sort of pouch on the right side of the belt, which could plausibly house a weapon – and this wouldn’t be the first time weapons were brandished at an anti-Islam protest.

      The "ripping apart your holy book" isn't such a big deal (unless it's a valuable copy and/or stolen property), but screaming, belligerent half-wits with (or even without) guns definitely call for the cops to get in there, restore law and order and hold the hate-filled morons accountable for any and all crimes they commit.

  • The Second Coming of Holocaust remembrance
    • || ivri: Trivializing the Holocaust ... ||

      ...is what hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists do every time they use and abuse the Holocaust to defend their past and on-going (war) crimes.

      || The Holocaust has many aspects that are unique to it ... ||

      Other genocides have many aspects that are unique to them.

      || The Holocaust was a key factor in the establishment of Israel ... ||

      One act of injustice and immorality used to justify and perpetuate another.

    • || just:

      “I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” — Elie Wiesel

      When did anyone hear Wiesel speak out for the Palestinians? ||

      Mr. Wiesel is a typically hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist who believes that acts of injustice and immorality are wrong:
      - especially if they are being committed against Jews;
      - but not if they are being committed by Jews.

      The world needs a lot less people like Elie Wiesel and a lot more like Tzvia Thier and Lillian Rosengarten.

  • Just like the Nazis, Iran 'plans to exterminate six million Jews' -- Netanyahu
    • || asherpat: when people ... say that they want to murder me and my family, I believe them. ||

      And when people who have spent almost 70 years committing (war) crimes and flouting international law routinely make existential threats against other people, those other people believe them.

    • || DaBakr: @ej

      so it appears that the only thing we share in common is the belief in hypocrisy. ||

      Yup. And once you stop defending supremacist "Jewish State" and its past and on-going (war) crimes, we can also share the belief that all hypocrisy is wrong and must be condemned. :-)

    • || DaBakr: ... For the Americans here it can appear as if the left-wingers really do support the strengthening of Americas enemies and are cheered on when the ‘evil’, ‘bad’ and ‘untrustworthy’ US is weakened internationally. ||

      Just as no state - not even Israel - is entitled to exist as a supremacist state, no state - not even the U.S. - is entitled to hegemony.

      The hypocrisy of "the Americans here" sounds an awful lot like the hypocrisy of "the Zio-supremacists here".

    • || y.f.: This web site would have more credibility condemning Netanyahu if you would admit that there is something for Israel to fear. ||

      Zio-supremacists would have more credibility condemning Iran's leaders if they would admit that there is something for Iran to fear from Israel and the United States, both of which have nuclear weapons, hegemonic ambitions and track records of belligerence.

    • Bibi "King" Netanyahu: There are many around the world who claim that the lessons learned then are still valid today. They affirm: “Never again!” They declare: “We will not turn a blind eye to the expansion intentions of a violent tyranny.” They promise: “We will oppose evil things as soon as they begin.” But as long as these announcements are not backed with practical actions – they are meaningless. Did the world really learn a lesson from the inconceivable universal and Jewish tragedy of last century? I wish I could stand here and tell you that the answer to this was yes.

      "King" Bibi is the leader of a belligerent, oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" which, for over 60 years and with impunity, has:
      - stolen, occupied and colonized Palestinian land;
      - oppressed, tortured and killed Palestinians;
      - refused to honour its obligations under international law; and
      - refused to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      It's very clear that Zio-supremacists haven't learned a g*ddamn thing about "never again", and it's the height of hypocrisy for a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist like "King" Bibi to condemn Iran for what it hypothetically might do even as he and his supremacist state continue to commit (war) crimes.

  • When it comes to untrustworthiness, the U.S. trumps Iran
    • || ivri: Trustworthiness is not the top criterion – it is general goals and intentions. ||

      Either way, the U.S. loses.

  • New Episcopal Church group calls for divestment from Israeli occupation, in recognition of the new political landscape in Israel and Palestine
    • || mcohen: link to abcnews.go.com ||

      President Jacob Zuma on Thursday urged South Africans to stop attacking immigrants from Africa and South Asia ...

      Zuma, in a speech to parliament that was broadcast live on TV, called the attacks "shocking and unacceptable," adding that "no amount of frustration and anger can ever justify the attacks on foreign nationals."

      He could have justified the situation by comparing South Africa to Saudi Arabia, Mali and Israel, but he chose instead to respond in an appropriate manner. Well done, Mr. Zuma.

  • HRW: Palestinian children pass out, vomit, from farming with illegal pesticides on Israeli settlements
    • Palestinian middlemen, subcontractors who–for a price–assemble lots of workers for hire on settlements, are notorious for turning a blind eye to underage workers. They do not get their laborers binding employment contracts, and therefore Palestinians do not receive the benefits that are guaranteed to them by Israeli law.

      "Jewish State" is unjust and immoral and these "Palestinian middlemen" are Satan's little helpers. Shame on all of them.

  • After torching Palestinian cafe and painting 'Revenge' on its door, 4 Israeli teens get community service
    • The Jerusalem District Court accepted a plea bargain Monday in the case of four teenage Israelis who admitted to setting fire to a Palestinian cafe near Hebron ... Israeli judge Shirly Renner reportedly said the teens’ actions were a serious offense ... and expressed surprise as to why the boys chose that specific café ...

      Perhaps the boys were looking for a specific Palestinian to torch, but when they couldn't find one they chose the next best thing.

  • Pro-Israel group concedes that Tel Aviv bikinis can't match 'justice' as sirensong to brightest young Jews
    • Zionism has nothing to do with justice. It also has nothing to do with either accountability or equality.

      That's why Zio-supremacists prefer not to talk about such things, and to focus instead on "peace" and "dialog" [sic] and the fact that ethnic cleansing is currently "not necessary".

  • Obama's long & passionate Monday with Saban, Foxman, Hoenlein and other Jewish leaders demonstrates power of Israel lobby
    • || just:

      ... “If there is no end to sanctions, there will not be an agreement,” Hassan Rouhani said in a televised speech on Wednesday. “The end of these negotiations and a signed deal must include a declaration of cancelling the oppressive sanctions on the great nation of Iran.”

      . . .

      “What the US Senate, Congress and others say is not our problem. We want mutual respect … We are in talks with the major powers and not with the Congress,” Rouhani said, adding that Iran wanted to end its isolation by having “constructive interaction with the world and not confrontation”.

      Iran should not back down from its entirely rational position. jmo. ||

      I agree.

  • Baptism of Kardashian/West daughter moves celebrity press to place Jerusalem to Israel
    • || eljay: Salivating is what Zio-supremacists do as they steal, occupy, colonize, oppress, torture and kill. ||

      Addendum: Or while they dream of doing these things unto others - things they would not have others do unto them.

    • || Steve Grover: @Eljay you are better off salivating like Pavlov’s dog than mocking Sympathy for the Devil. ||

      Salivating is what Zio-supremacists do as they steal, occupy, colonize, oppress, torture and kill. And I'm not mocking the song.

    • || Steve Grover: Well its alright now in fact its a gas! Mick and the boys are coming back to Israel. ||

      I made my way to Palestine
      when I saw it was time to create
      a sea of Gentile refugees
      and establish a "Jewish State"

      I smiled to see
      His morality
      have its throat cut by
      Zio-supremacy

      Pleased to meet you
      hope you guess my name...

  • Marco Rubio and AIPAC allied in effort to insert poison pill into Iran deal
    • The crux of Herzog and Livni’s plan is a call on the American administration to commit in advance to approve an Israeli military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities if Iran violates the framework agreement signed a week and a half ago by trying to produce nuclear weapons.

      Nuclear-equipped Israel and the U.S. can't seem to stop making existential threats against an already heavily-sanctioned and nuclear-unequipped Iran...and still some people wonder why Iran might be tempted to acquire nukes.

  • Before prayers finished Friday, Israeli military began firing teargas canisters and rubber-coated bullets
  • 'United States of Israel' has compromised U.S. 'sovereignty' on Iran policy -- Gideon Levy in D.C.
    • || DoubleStandardeee: Don’t underestimate MW readers’ astonishing power to discern that which is not there. ||

      It pales in comparison to the power of Zio-supremacists to consistently overlook that which is there - namely, their "Jewish State's" 60+ years - and counting - of (war) crimes.

    • || hophmeee: ... how many non-Zionist Israelis have been killed or seriously injured because their political views? Yitzhak Rabin was one ... But that’s about it. ... ||
      || Annie Robbins: ... aren’t you forgetting a few people? or do only jewish people count? ||

      What? A Zio-supremacist conflating Israel with all Jews?! Never! :-P

      According to Wiki (I know, not *the* definitive source), a good number of non-Zionist Israelis have been killed because of their political views.

      A couple more good questions are:
      - How many of its citizens has Israel imprisoned because of their political views?
      - How many of its citizens has Israel tortured because of their political views?

      I'm willing to bet that the numbers for Israel are far higher than those of the best countries in the world. But, sure, the "moral beacon" isn't as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

    • || Mooser: Not as funny as “Jon s” explaining Jewish sexual difference, but still pretty funny. ||

      He's a Zio-supremacist who consistently supports and defends Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist "Jewish State", but just today in another thread he said "I try to do what’s right and moral, and I believe in equality, not supremacism."

      I can't compete with that level of humour.

    • || TonyRiley: ... the residents of Sderot, who have endured 10 years of daily missile attacks from Gazan terrorists, of course. That’s why they sat and watched the revenge. ||

      Of course. Similarly, the rapist endured months of attacks from his victim terrorist and that's why his friends sat and watched as he got revenge by repeatedly and brutally assaulting her.

      It never occurred to them* that the rapist shouldn't be kidnapping women, chaining them in his basement and raping them in the first place.

      (*Or, worse, it occurred to them but they didn't care.)

    • || DoubleStandardeee: If Israel weren’t the vibrant democracy ... ||

      In one breath, Zio-supremacists claim that Israel is a "vibrant democracy" while, in the next breath, they defend it by pointing out that it's not as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

      "Your Honour, my client is a good husband and father, and a law-abiding citizen."
      "Your client is on trial for spousal abuse, several counts of incest and one count of grand larceny."
      "Yes, your Honour, but let the record show that he is not a murderer."

      Funny stuff. :-)

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