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eljay

I'm a happily-married, vegetarian and atheist Canadian with two wonderful cats. :-)

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  • 'NYT' perpetuates myth Israel was 'fighting for its very survival' during 1967 war
    • >> Giles: How anyone with a grain of common sense and integrity can believe Israel was fighting a defensive war in 1967 ...

      Zio-supremacists don't have common sense, but they do have "common sense" and a penchant for re-defining words:
      - morality becomes "goal + methods"; and
      - defensively becomes "aggression, theft, occupation and colonization".

      Ta dah!!!

  • Independent investigation details Israel's deliberate targeting of civilians in Gaza
    • >> DoubleStandardeee: The idea that Israel intentionally kills civilians sounds so facially stupid ...

      No, not really. After all, this is the same religion-supremacist state - a state with highly-advanced weaponry - that for over 60 years and with impunity has been committing land theft, occupation, colonization, destruction, torture, murder and other (war) crimes.

  • That thrilling, anti-elitist Shas campaign video
    • JeffBeee: ... A Palestinian who converts would instantly become a Mizrahi Jew, there is nothing to fight about anymore.

      Equality in supremacist "Jewish State" isn't based on religion...except for when it is.

      JeffBeee and DaBakreee are the Laurel and Hardy of Zio-supremacism.

  • PA arrests Palestinian student for 'insulting a public official' on Facebook
    • Palestinian intelligence services arrested a media student yesterday morning for “insulting a public official”. Bara Al-Qadi, 22, posted a status on Facebook mocking Jibril Rajoub, also known as Abu Rami, who leads the Palestinian Football Federation, after the Palestinian team lost 5-1 to Jordan in the Asian cup …

      Palestinian officials should be striving to be as good as the best. They should NOT be emulating Israel and striving to be just a little bit better than the worst.

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  • State Dep't says Netanyahu speech is not inappropriate, disrespectful, humiliating or embarrassing
    • “It is Iran that stands behind the attack on us yesterday from Lebanon,” Netanyahu said ... “This is the same Iran that is trying to reach a deal now with world powers that will leave it with the capability of developing nuclear weapons, a deal which we vehemently oppose.” “We will continue to defend ourselves against every threat, both near and far. ...

      Nuclear-free Iran stands behind Hezbollah; nuclear-armed U.S. stands behind Israel. Sure. So, Bibi, do you support the right of Palestinians to continue to defend themselves against every threat, both near and far? I didn't think so. Hypocrite.

  • French Jews, surrender to terror in the baguette capital and move to the land of legal terror!
    • >> y.f.: Statistics show that 9 out of 10 nonJews who use the phrase “chosen people” in reference to the Jews are in fact people who hate Jews.

      Stats also show that 10 out of 10 Zio-supremacist Jews believe that they are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality that they would not have done unto them.

  • Phila Inquirer publishes a lie: 'Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are one and the same'
    • >> Mooser: Ah, the topsy-turvy world of “JeffyB”.

      Yup.

      >> JeffBeee: There isn’t a division today in the Jewish community regarding Israel. The Jewish community is relatively united. JVP type Jews are too small a faction to constitute a division.

      Hmmm...so:
      - the community is "relatively united" (which means it is also somewhat divided); and
      - "factions" exist (faction: a small, organized, dissenting group within a larger one); but
      - there's no division (division: separation by difference of opinion or feeling; disagreement; dissension).

      Interesting.

      >> Israel is a real country ...

      Of course it's a real country, and it should continue to exist - within its / Partition borders - as a secular and democratic state of and for all its Israeli citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally.

      "Jewish State", however, is not a real country: It's a religion-supremacist construct and, like all supremacist constructs, it has no right to exist.

    • >> DaBakreee: replace that with: “while I have deep hatred of the Indian Nations, I feel no loathing whatever of First Nations[people]” and one can start to see how little sense it makes.

      1. It makes perfect sense. One can like First Nations people and Jews and still condemn a supremacist "First Nation" and a supremacist "Jewish State" for their supremacism.

      2. By your twisted, Zio-supremacist "logic", every person who condemns authoritarianism and/or supremacism in - for example - China, Russia and Saudi Arabia must also hate every Chinese, Russian and Saudi Arabian person. And that's simply and very obviously untrue.

      But it makes for a great pity party for Zio-supremacists like you to keep thinking that all Jews are hated simply because hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists like you are condemned for your past and ON-GOING (war) crimes.

      Poor little DaBakreee. Aggressor-victimhood is such a tough gig... :-(

    • >> DaBakreee: @ej keep telling yourself how deeply you can hate, loath and despise Israel without that having any baring [sic] on how you feel about jews.

      You're funny, DaBakreee. Funny how? Funny like a clown! :-)

      But your little rant won't make me dislike non-Zionist Jews. Do you know why? Because they're not hateful and immoral supremacists like you. Poor little DaBakreee. :-(

    • >> JeffBeee: If Israel dies at this point, Judaism doesn’t deserve to live.

      Judaism deserves to live as long as there are people who freely choose to adhere to that faith. When there are no more people who freely choose to adhere to it, then and only then should Judaism stop living. Why do you hate Jews so much that you want the fate of their faith to be tied to the fate of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state?

      >> What is the danger to Jews of conflating the two things?

      The danger to non-Zionist Jews is that blowback which should be directed at Israel or at Zio-supremacists like you will be directed against them instead. Why do you hate Jews so much that you wish to make every one of them responsible for the hateful and immoral actions of people like you?

    • “There are three lessons from the explosion of European anti-Semitism. First, hatred of Israel can no longer be separated from loathing of Jews. Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are one and the same. The hardcore anti-Israel protests that engulfed Europe showed that the demonstrators aimed to dismantle the Jewish state because of its Jewishness. . . .”

      This guy is an idiot.

      1. One can hate Israel and not hate Jews*, so the hatreds can indeed be separated. Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are not necessarily one and the same.

      (*It's interesting that, for the author, hatred of Israel doesn't imply a hatred of non-Jews, despite the fact that non-Jews comprise 20% of Israel's population. That reeks of Zio-supremacism.)

      2. "Jewish State" is a religion-supremacist construct. Supremacist constructs have no right to exist. "Jewish State" must be dismantled.

      3. Israel, however, exists and should continue to exist as a secular and democratic (and even "culturally Jewish") Israeli state - a state of and for all of its citizen, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally.

  • Menendez bags on Iran sanctions, and congressman says AIPAC demands deference to Israel over US
    • “Regardless, the Prime Minister of Israel is ... elected first and foremost to defend a nation that has experienced more hatred, more torture, more bloodletting, and more wholesale slaughter than any nation on earth. ”

      1. Mr. Boteach is wrong. Many other nations have experienced more hatred, torture, bloodletting and wholesale slaughter than has Israel. And Israel has dealt more of the above than it has experienced.

      2. If, by "nation", Mr. Boteach was referring to "the Jews", he is wrong again. The nation of the Amalekites easily wins. It was holocausted, wiped off the map and pushed into the sea...by "the Jews".

      Samuel also said unto Saul ... Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. ... And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt. And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. ... Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. ... And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord in Gilgal.

  • 'The New York Times' throws another sop to lovers of Israel
    • ivreee: Don`t forget that the “Israel project” is also about “the normalization” of the Jewish people ...

      Terrorism, ethnic cleansing, theft, colonialism, expansionism, torture, murder, intransigence, oppression and supremacism = "normalization". Huh.

      Not sure why the "Zio-supremacist people" think the "Jewish people" would want to "normalize" that way. Perhaps they feel it's the "moral" (goal + methods) thing to do.

    • >> Giles: Good looking?

      I think so. :-) It's a shame that she's a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist, but I suspect those are the qualities that really turn ivreee on... ;-)

  • Former Obama aide's thinktank calls for 1/4 of French Jews to move to Israel
    • >> hophmeee: Whose sense of entitlement?

      Your sense of entitlement.

      >> Do you not believe that Jews should have the right to live wherever they wish?

      I believe that Jewish citizens of any given country should have the same guarantee of justice, accountability and equality as non-Jewish citizens of that country. (Zio-supremacists agree...except when it comes to supremacist "Jewish State".)

      I believe that Jewish immigrants to and ex-pats and refugees from any given country should have the same rights and expect the same treatment as non-Jewish immigrants to and ex-pats and refugees from that country. (Zio-supremacists agree...except when it comes to supremacist "Jewish State".)

      I do not believe that Jews and non-Jews have a right to "live wherever they wish".

    • >> tillkaneee: We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country.

      Until you make "Jewish" the bureaucratic nationality of "Jewish State" and grant it - along with equality based on that bureaucratic nationality - to every citizen of, immigrant to and ex-pat and refugee from the geographic region comprising "Jewish State", all you've got in Israel is Jewish supremacism, which is how you Zio-supremacists seem like it.

    • It's breath-taking to see supremacism - in this case, Jewish supremacism (in a supremacist "Jewish State") - advocated so overtly and self-righteously.

      It's disappointing to see so many people / organizations / governments enabling and defending it.

  • Israeli forces detain 10-year old boy and assault his family members in East Jerusalem
    • >> Walid: Last week, Israel surpassed itself by condemning a 14-year old schoolgirl to 2 months to an adult prison for having thrown stones, the youngest ever to receive such a sentence in Israel. Now if it could get a condemnation for this 10-year old, Israel will have broken its own record.

      Onward and downward, "Jewish State"!

      There is no level too low that Zio-supremacists won't sink to it.

  • Tell your congressperson: Don't attend Netanyahu's speech
    • >> y.f.: “Don’t go to the House chambers for this historic atrocity. ” This cheapening of the language cheapened your appeal.

      Thank goodness he wasn't also being "namby pamby"!

      his·tor·ic: famous or important in history, or potentially so.
      a·troc·i·ty: an extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.

      The Republicans' move to invite the Israeli leader to speak to the U.S. Congress in an effort to undermine the U.S. president's efforts to negotiate peace with Iran and to lead the U.S. to war against Iran is both "important in history, or potentially so" and "a cruel act" which could result in enormous "physical violence" and "injury".

      "Historic atrocity" is a very good descriptor of what is happening. But to Zio-supremacists, the Republicans' goal + methods = "morality" and, well, "morality" simply can't be an "historic atrocity".

  • On the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz
    • >> Mayhemeee: On the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz ... some choose to diminish the significance of the Holocaust and use it to divert attention to their own political agendas.

      It's no worse than how Zio-supremacists cheapen the Holocaust by using it to diminish the significance of the suffering of others and to justify:
      - Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
      - the establishment of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine; and
      - 60+ years of war and other crimes on behalf of Jewish supremacism and the supremacist "Jewish State".

  • Occupier’s justice: heads and tails you lose
    • The hatefulness and immorality of Jewish supremacism never ceases to be astounding and thoroughly depressing.

      My heart goes out to the Jaabari family and to all victims of Zio-supremacism.

  • Like the Wind, We Will Be Free: How being detained at Ben Gurion airport during a family trip to Palestine reaffirmed my identity
    • >> Robert in Israeleee: Not our land, eh?

      That's correct. Palestine did not belong to "the Jews" or to the Arab mayor of Jerusalem. Jews had no right to "liberate" (i.e., steal, occupy and colonize) it, and the mayor had no right to give it away.

    • >> Robert in Israeleee: ... we finally liberated our land ...

      Except that it wasn't your land, and you didn't liberate it.

    • >> jon seee: It’s good to see a young woman, a Muslim American, visiting the country and refusing to see it in black-and-white terms. An impressive essay.

      It's impressive in its whitewashing of Israel's:
      - past and on-going (war) crimes;
      - past and on-going land theft, occupation and colonization of Palestine;
      - past and on-going oppression, torture and murder of Palestinians;
      - existence as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" (rather than as a secular and democratic state for all Israelis);
      - refusal to honour its obligations under international law (including RoR of refugees);
      - refusal to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      It's impressive in the sense that it's the sort of thing a "liberal Zionist" Zio-supremacist would write. I can see why you approve of it.

    • >> jon seee: Here’s a different experience:

      She certainly sounds like she was tripping. I wonder what she would have written had her trip not been and "educational tour" hosted by and paid for by The David Project.

    • >> ivreee: ... It would have been far better, since 1948, to try to come to terms with the Jews in Israel rather than keep fighting them with fantasies in the head.

      The "Jews in Israel" aren't the problem. The problem is with:
      - Zio-supremacists and Zio-supremacism;
      - Israel as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State", a state that has a problem with non-Jews within its / Partition borders and in the territory it illegally occupies and colonizes;
      - Israel's past and ON-GOING (war) crimes;
      - Israel's expansionism and colonialism;
      - Israel's refusal to honour its obligations under international law;
      - Israel's refusal to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
      - Israel's refusal to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      There is no reason the rapist's victims should ever have to "just lie back and enjoy" their captivity and abuse.

  • 'NYT' and Matthews warn that Netanyahu speech to Congress could lead US to war
    • “The proposal would outlaw antisemitism as well as criminalising a host of other activities deemed to be violating fundamental rights on specious religious, cultural, ethnic and gender grounds.

      These would include banning the burqa, female genital mutilation, forced marriage, polygamy, denial of the Holocaust and genocide generally, criminalising xenophobia, and creating a new crime of “group libel” – public defamation of ethnic, cultural or religious groups. Women’s and gay rights would also be covered.

      1. Who will determine what constitutes anti-Semitism? (Gawd help us if it's the Dersh or hophmeee or people like them!) Will valid criticism of Israel be lumped in with it?

      2. Why should a fear (xenophobia) be criminalized?

      3. Why on earth should polygamy be criminalized? It's a bureaucratic issue (divorce settlements, pensions, etc.), not a criminal one. (Laws already exist to address any issues involving under-aged brides/grooms.)

  • When discussing Islam, which Islam and whose rationality? 
    • >> The Pope: “It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”

      I accept that individuals should not be insulted because they hold certain beliefs. But I do not accept that certain beliefs - Islam (or any other religion), circumcision, FGM, flat Earthism, Creationism, etc. - should be protected from insult. (Well, except for Pastafarianism, but only because it's the One True Faith. ;-) )

      >> There must be an International Laws to punish those who insult others faiths which ignites Global Terrorism.

      1. No amount of "insult" of a faith should ever "ignite Global Terrorism".

      2. I agree that there must be international laws to punish those (individuals, groups, governments) who commit Global Terrorism.

      3. The only time punishment should be meted out against those who "insult others [sic] faiths" is if the "insult" can be proven to be hate speech (i.e., it intends to incite violence against people of that faith).

  • Obama won't meet Netanyahu during 'bizarre,' 'historic,' 'unprecedented' visit (Updated)
    • >> CigarGod: Don’t miss the biggest point. The masses/mobs will always break it down to the lowest common denominator…which is why history will repeat …

      Unfortunately, that point only serves to bolster the claims of Zio-supremacists that Jews can never be safe anywhere but in a supremacist "Jewish State" and that anti-Israel/Zionism - no matter how accurate or justifiable - is nothing more than veiled anti-Semitism.

    • Reporter: “Why would you throw eggs at Jews?”
      Young man: “We want to retaliate for everything that happens in Palestine, all the murders.”
      Reporter: “But we are Swedish Jews. We have nothing to do with Israel.”
      Young man: “How do we know that? When we see a Jew, we think of Israel and everything that happens there.”
      Reporter: “Is that what causes the problems?”
      Young man: “Yes.”
      Reporter: “Does the Israeli-Palestinian conflict cause your reaction to the Jews?”
      Young man: “It is the only reason for Jew-hatred. It’s the only thing that you think of. […] I want to do something for Palestine, but I can’t help anyone there.”

      He's throwing eggs at Swedish Jews because he wants to help the Palestinians - WTF?!

      That "Young man" is an immoral idiot. He deserves to be arrested, held accountable for his actions and given a good slap upside the head.

    • >> just: “The White House announced on Thursday that President Barack Obama will not meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu when the latter visits the U.S. in March to speak before Congress."

      The President of the United States of America demonstrates disloyalty to the "Jewish State" of Israel. Wow, that's heavy.

  • Living in Israel isn't the solution to antisemitism
    • >> Mayhemeee: Whereas Jews weather anti-semitism (as they have done for millenia) and take recourse through appropriate legal and media avenues; Mohammedans scream blue murder over the depiction of their prophet (even in plain vanilla terms) and go on murderous rampages when their precious sensibilities are challenged.

      Some "Mohammedans" scream blue murder and go on murderous rampages. I condemn their actions. Some Jews scream "anti-Semitism" on a whim and destroy people's lives and careers. I condemn their actions as well.

      >> If Muslims were to ... not keep demeaning our Western democratic values ...

      Funny stuff, coming from a Zio-supremacist, part of a collective that favours Jewish supremacism in a supremacist "Jewish State" and in the territories that state illegally occupies and colonizes over the Western democratic values of justice, accountability and equality.

    • >> ApolloSpeakseee: How could the most admirable nation in the Middle East, a model of freedom, progress, justice and peace to the region, be a historical error? Given the moral, intellectual and spiritual superiority of Israel over its primitive, dysfunctional, strife torn neighbors its existence would seem to be a historical necessity.

      Wow, there is so much wrong with that paragraph, starting with the usual Zio-supremacist "scraping the bottom of the barrel" comparison of the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel not to the best nations in the world, but to some of its worst (Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes").

      1. The rapist is not "most admirable" to his victims or to supporters of his victims.
      2. One should not admire the rapist simply because murderers exist.
      3. The existence of murderers does not transform the rapist into a law-abiding citizen.
      4. There is no "historical necessity" to introduce a rapist into a neighbourhood plagued by murderers.

    • >> Whizdom: Psst. Hops, Heinsbroek is Dutch=The Netherlands, not Deutschland.

      I would appear that he saw German Lefty's name, flipped out and launched into "anti-Nazi" mode.

      Very unfair to German Lefty, who did not make the statement that caused hophmeee to flip out, and who is not responsible for - and who wasn't even around to "hold her nose" and support any of - Nazi Germany's crimes.

      (Can't say the same for ol' hophmeee when it comes to "Jewish State" and its crimes, though.)

    • >> hophmeee: Really? Was it? Maybe it was a mistake to allow Germany to exist after World War II. Maybe your country should be carved up and ended. I mean, your country started two World Wars and murdered tens of millions of people in cold blood. What right does it have to exist, let alone style itself the richest and most powerful country in Europe? You’re a little too privileged to refer to other countries, least of all countries that came into existence partially because of the horrors past generations of your countrymen visited on others, as “a mistake.”

      You're quick to bluster but, as usual, you make little to no sense.

      1. Holland didn't start two World Wars and murder tens of millions of people.
      2. Germany should not have been (and should not be) "carved up and ended" and neither should Israel. (Both states, however, should have been and should be held accountable for their crimes.)
      3. "Jewish State" is a religion-supremacist construct, not a legitimate state.
      4. The solution to acts of injustice and immorality is justice, accountability and equality, universally and consistently applied. The solution was not, is not and should never be a supremacist state of any kind.

    • The solution to acts of injustice and immorality committed against minorities - or any other group of people - is justice, accountability and equality, universally and consistently applied.

      The solution was not, is not and never should be a supremacist state.

      >> “There is no demographic or practical existence for the Jewish people without a Jewish state”, Netanyahu proclaimed in 2010.

      Bibi, like other Zio-supremacists, is full of sh*t. As long as people want to be Jewish, that is all the practical and demographic existence that is needed to keep Jewish and Judaism alive.

  • Diaspora Jews are not in 'exile,' they are at home
    • >> Mikhaeleee: Eljayeeeeeeeeeeee (seriously,WTF is it with you and appending unnecessary letter “e”s after someone’s handle?).

      WTF is it with you and your inability to count? It's only three eee's, and I've explained it at least once already.

      The rest of your verbal diarrhoea simply confirms that Israel as a "Jewish State" is nothing more than a religion-supremacist construct.

    • >> Mikhaeleee: The revolutionary innovation of political Zionism was that Jews could have a modern secular nation-state minus the religious aspects of what has come to be called “Judaism” ...

      As far as "revolutionary innovations" go, it was an epic fail given that the end result was not a secular and democratic "Jewish State" with a bureaucratic nationality of Jewish for all citizens of, immigrants to and ex-pats and refugees from the geographic region comprising "Jewish State", but (not surprisingly) an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish people, established and maintained as such at the expense of the indigenous non-Jewish population and subsequent non-Jewish citizens.

      >> ... but the idea that Jews living outside of the borders of Erets Yisrael are on a fundamental level not truly at home has always been part and parcel of Judaism.

      The fact that Jewish citizens of countries around the world can force themselves to feel like strangers in their own homelands in no way validates the self-proclaimed "right" of people of the Jewish faith to a supremacist "Jewish State".

    • >> Mikhaeleee: And people can have more than one national identity in a liberal democratic nation such as Australia and feel like they have more than one home. Australians should be able to tolerate Australian citizens who are of Jewish national origins retaining ties to their original ancestral homeland (Israel) and their ethnic kin there. This is not something that is deemed controversial for Greek-Australians, Maltese-Australians, or Irish-Australians, many of whom hold dual citizenship with Australian and those countries.

      1. Greece is a country. Ireland is a country. Israel is a country. So there should not be anything controversial with Israeli-Australians holding dual citizenship.

      2. Jewish / Jew / Judaism is not a country. There is no bureaucratic nationality of "Jewish". Jewish Australians - like Christian Australians and Muslim Australians - have only one nationality: Australian.

      3. Israel is not the "ancestral homeland" of all people of the Jewish faith living in the world today. It is the "ancestral homeland" of all non-Jewish and Jewish people living in, originally from or up to n generations removed from the geographic region comprising Partition-borders Israel.

  • Congress invites Netanyahu to rebut Obama on Iran, and White House slams 'breach of protocol'
    • >> "Prime Minister Netanyahu is a great friend of our country, and this invitation carries with it our unwavering commitment ... ," Boehner said.

      Don't American (and other) politicians ever tire of fellating the Zio-supremacist donkey?

  • 80+ Cartoonists And Comics Workers Tell Comics Industry: 'No Business As Usual With Israel'
    • >> hophmeee: Yes, by all means: Let’s boycott ...

      ...an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist state which - for the past 60+ years and with impunity - has:
      - stolen, occupied and colonized land outside of its / Partition borders;
      - oppressed, tortured and killed Palestinians living outside of its / Partition borders;
      - refused to honour its obligations under international law;
      - refused to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
      - refused to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      >> Makes all the sense in the world.

      You're right: It makes perfect sense.

  • Fifth child dies from exposure to freezing temperatures in war-torn Gaza
  • Gaza war blowback? Palestinian stabs 13 on Tel Aviv bus.
    • >> just: Perhaps he could tell us of any incident perpetrated by any Israeli/”settler” that rises to his definition of terror……

      Don't be surprised if his list contains few to no people. His definition of terrorist has a lot of wiggle room in it:

      1. "anyone who deliberately targets random innocent civilians" - Is one a terrorist if one:
      i) accidentally targets civilians;
      ii) targets specific civilians;
      iii) targets civilians one does not deem to be innocent; and/or
      iv) accidentally, and without any specific targeting, kills large numbers of civilians?

      2. "in occupied territory" - Is territory occupied if it is contested or is deemed to be "rightfully Israel's"?

    • >> y.f.: Blowback is such a namby pamby modern word. Why not call it revenge?

      Simple: Blowback and revenge have different meanings.

      Merriam-Webster.com:
      - Blowback: an unforeseen and unwanted effect, result, or set of repercussions
      - Revenge: to avenge (as oneself) usually by retaliating in kind or degree; to inflict injury in return for <revenge an insult>

    • >> TW: After todays attack in Tel Aviv, France urges all jews to come back home…

      Jewish French citizens, yes. It's simply not safe in Israel, what with all those Aye-rabs and Mooslims and Hamases everywhere, and the perpetual threat of being wiped off the map / pushed into the sea.

    • I unequivocally condemn the attack. The assailant must be held accountable for his actions.

  • The ‘hasbara’ tweeps who brought down Jim Clancy, and their ties to Israel and the Israel lobby
    • >> DaBakreee: ... whats even more horrifying is that many letter ‘e’s’ have often been added to my name which makes me think I am being marked by some super secret anti-Zionist code.

      Only three "e"s are added. eee was a proudly hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist who used to frequent Mondoweiss. While you may not be him, you and other Zio-supremacists here are very much like him, which is why I append "eee" to your usernames.

      Consider it a badge of honour, if that makes you happier and less paranoid. :-)

    • I must be missing something here.

      Based on the information in this thread and here at Elder of Ziyon, it looks like Clancy made an assertion re. the Charlie Hebdo incident, was challenged and went off the rails.

      He may have been entirely correct in stating that the people he outed as hasbarists are indeed hasbarists, but IMO that had nothing to do with the challenge to his initial assertion, so why even go there?

      Should his outburst have cost him his job? I don't know. But it seems like he created his own mess by not sticking to the facts surrounding his initial assertion (and either backing up his statement, clarifying it or withdrawing it).

  • Pro-Israel parliamentary group in Europe says Israelis suffered 'worst' of Gaza conflict
    • According to Ido Aharoni, the foreign ministry official who commissioned the programme, “Our research shows that Israel’s brand is essentially the conflict.” He continued, “Even those who recognize that Israel is in the right are not attracted to it, because they see it as a supplier of bad news. The conclusion is that it is more important for Israel to be attractive than to be right.”

      No need for the rapist to stop beating and raping his victim or to set her free when he can just issue press releases describing her clean surroundings - including fresh flowers daily, a nice TV set and a soft mattress - and how he is devising strategies to make the world a better place.

      Only people who are anti-rapist would continue to protest this clearly wonderful man's past and on-going crimes.

      Zio-supremacists are truly hateful and immoral people. There isn't an act* of injustice and immorality they don't deem justifiable.

      (*An act committed by them. Hypocrites that they are, if the same act were committed against them, they would denounce it as unjustifiable.)

  • Update: On MLK Day, lots of folks are talking Palestine
    • >> JeffBeee: 1) Does the BDS plan end Israeli’s national existence?

      From BDSMovement.net:

      The call urges various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets its obligations under international law by:
      1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall;
      2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
      3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.

      BDS appears to call for justice, accountability and equality. I can see why JeffBeee is horrified by it.

      Does BDS translate into an end to Israel's national existence - that is, to the existence of Israel as a state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally? As far as I can tell, it doesn't.

      It does, however, appear to translate into an end to the existence of religion-supremacist "Jewish State", but religion-supremacist "Jewish State" never had a right to exist in the first place.

  • To counter radical Islam, we must confront our own hypocrisy
    • >> steven leee: Keep in mind JK that Israel has been at war since day ONE ...

      ... using terrorism, ethnic cleansing, oppression, theft, torture, murder, occupation and colonialism to help establish as large as possible a supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine. Correct.

      >> Whether you like it or not, these fanatics want to transform the whole area in one GAZA.

      Whether you like it or not, Israel is not absolved of its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes or its obligations under international law because "fanatics want" something.

    • >> hophmeee: The 500 kids killed in a dense area where the leadership decided to fire rockets into the civilian area of a well-armed country ...

      The broken bones and bruises where the woman decided to punch and stab the sensitive areas of a very strong man. Makes perfect sense.

      But wait: The man is a serial rapist and the woman is the victim who's been chained in his basement for months.

      Once again, a Zio-supremacist deliberately glosses over the fact that that well-armed country:
      - was established by means of terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population from their homes and lands;
      - has been stealing, occupying and colonizing land outside of its / Parition borders for over 60 years;
      - has oppressing, torturing and killing civilians outside of its / Partition borders for over 60 years;
      - refuses to end its 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
      - refuses to honour its obligations under international law;
      - refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
      - refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

  • Netanyahu and Europe’s far right find common ground after the Paris attacks
    • >> Mooser: And you should see him! Hair like the raven’s wing, body by Adonis!

      And a Captain Israel suit for those times he feels like keeping a low profile...

    • >> Mayhem: Netanyahu is perfectly entitled to entice Jews ... to come to Israel.

      Bibi is Prime Minister of Israel. He should be enticing Israelis, not Jews, to come to Israel. More importantly, rather than abandoning Israeli refugees he should be repatriating them back to Israel.

  • Avraham Burg's Israeli vision, and French passport
    • >> ivreee: The confederation idea is, not surprisingly, a mainstream one – nothing revolutionary – as it ensures the continuity of a Jewish state while solving the current thorny issue of stateless West-Bankers.

      An Israel-Palestine confederation should mean a confederation between:
      - an Israeli state - a state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally; and
      - a Palestinian state (whatever its name and bureaucratic nationality happens to be) - a state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally.

      Israel should not continue to exist as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" - a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews. No state should exist as a supremacist state.

  • #JeSuisUnJuifBritannique
    • >> JeffBeee: Yes the problem with Jews is they aren’t sufficiently self critical and are completely unable to look at the world from other points of views.

      The problem with Zio-supremacists is their aversion to justice, accountability and equality.

  • US calls ICC decision to investigate Gaza 'tragic irony'
    • ... the State Department’s Jeff Rathke said:
      ... It is a tragic irony that Israel, which has withstood thousands of terrorist rockets fired at its civilians and its neighborhoods, is now being scrutinized by the ICC.

      The real tragedy is that for over 60 years and with impunity - thanks in no small part to "no light between" support from the United States - the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel has been:
      - stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land;
      - oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians;
      - refusing to honour its obligations under international law;
      - refusing to accept responsibility or accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; and
      - refusing to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

  • Two Palestinians are killed near Gush Etzion settlement bloc in West Bank
    • >> Arik: By the way- Why not talking about that for instance: link to youtube.com ?

      Let's talk about it.

      1. Someone set fire to a French flag. Shame on him.

      2. It should disturb you far less than a bunch of supremacist Jews setting fire to a Palestinian.

      3. Setting fire to the flag of the state of France does not in any way absolve the oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel of:
      - its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes; or
      - its obligations under international law.

  • There is no pride for Jews in the state of Israel
    • >> jon seee: ... with all its faults, all that needs to be fixed ...

      Like you, I look forward to Israel:
      - ending its occupation and colonization of Palestine and Jerusalem;
      - honouring its obligations under international law, including RoR for refugees; and
      - reforming from a supremacist "Jewish State" into a secular and democratic Israeli state.

    • >> jon seee: So, too, for most Israelis, including myself: there’s a lot to take pride in, and a lot that needs to be fixed.

      Like you, I look forward to Israel:
      - ending its occupation and colonization of Palestine and Jerusalem;
      - honouring its obligations under international law, including RoR for refugees; and
      - reforming from a supremacist "Jewish State" into a secular and democratic Israeli state.

    • >> Mayhemeee: ... hasbara ... is not one-sided and monotonous like the constant drone of [..] propaganda.

      That's right: It's a constant, one-sided and monotonous droning of Zio-supremacist propaganda.

      >> Whereas one attempts to deal with facts and offers explanations (hasbara) ...

      The rapist, too, "deals with facts and offers explanations": "She's mine because I say she's mine and I've dreamed about her all my life and my diary tells me she's mine. Oh, and I was brutally abused as a child, so it's my right to have her and to self-determine myself in her."

      None of that changes the fact that there's a woman chained in his basement and he is in violation of numerous laws.

      >> ... the other keeps pushing the single-minded, obsessive narrative of [..] .

      Yeah, I get what you're saying, Mayhem: Stupid woman, she's so single-minded and obsessive with her narrative of captivity, sexual and physical abuse and desire for freedom, when she really should just lie back and enjoy it.

    • >> 6poppy: ... I surely don’t always agree with Netenyahu but you have to consider where he comes from when he makes some of his comments. Whatever reduction there is in antisemitism around the world comes in no small part from Israel being there. They have truly done so much in so mayny ways. <<

      Israel was envisioned not as an Israeli state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally, but as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

      The "Jewish State" of Israel was born of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands.

      For over 60 years and with impunity, the "Jewish State" of Israel has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians.

      The "Jewish State" of Israel refuses to honour its obligations under international law, refuses to accept any responsibility or accountability for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes and refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      The "Jewish State" of Israel - which purports to represent and to speak and act on behalf of all Jewish people in the world - has indeed done so much in so many ways. And while it is wrong* and I condemn it, it should surprise no-one that whatever increase there is in antisemitism around the world comes in no small part from Israel being there.
      __________________________________
      (*I do not believe that all Jews should be held accountable for the crimes of Jewish and non-Jewish Zio-supremacists.)

    • >> Mooser: “eljay, I drafted a three-page comment in response to yours, elaborating on your points, differing slightly (slightly) on others and providing supportive material. But then I realized I wasn’t sure about the most important thing; did you mean either, or both?

      Pardon my lack of clarity. :-) Let me try again:

      For both Jews and homosexuals, there are also plenty of places where it may not be safe to make either proclamation. This does not entitle Jewish people and gay people (or even Jewish and gay people) to supremacist states of their own.

    • >> y.f.: ... Scott Ratner does not even deign to deal with this.

      He does, however, deal with...

      ... the underlying reality that Israel is actually the one place that any Jew with a social consciousness should feel more ashamed of his or her identity than any other country in the world. After all, in no other country besides Israel is Judaism the perennial justification for a [decades-]long quest to suppress and uproot the culture and presence of millions of non-Jews.

      Zio-supremacists refuse to deal with that reality. Hell, much (most?) of the time they refuse even to acknowledge it.

    • Furthering his ceaseless campaign to leave no Jewish victim of the Charlie Hebdo tragedy unexploited, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently proclaimed at a birthright “mega event” that “Israel is the only place you can proudly proclaim ‘I am a Jew.’”

      Aside from the fact that Israel ought to be the one place in the world where one can proudly proclaim "I am an Israeli", King Bibi - as usual - was either lying or mistaken: There are plenty of places in the world where one can proclaim he is a Jew, just as there are plenty of places in the world where one can proclaim he is gay.

      For both Jews and homosexuals, there are also plenty of places where it may not be safe to make either proclamation. This does not mean that Jewish and gay people are entitled to supremacist states.

  • The legacy of Joan Peters and 'From Time Immemorial'
    • Let’s assume for the purposes of argument that ... Peters is right. Palestine was virtually empty and desolate until the Jews arrived to spruce up the place and make the desert bloom, creating a magnet for poor Arabs from surrounding countries. How would that justify a state where those of a certain ethnicity/ancestry impose second-class status upon their fellow citizens who are “ethnically challenged,” and exercise a military dictatorship over millions of non-citizens as well?

      It wouldn't. The right of self-determination belongs to the people of a geographic region. Israel should have been and should be the state of and for all citizens of, immigrants to and ex-pats and refugees from the geographic region comprising Partition-borders Israel, with equal rights for all.

      "Jewish State" would be a valid construct if Jewish were the bureaucratic nationality of that state; a nationality belonging to each citizen of, immigrant to and ex-pat and refugee from the geographic region the state comprises; a nationality that ensured equal rights for all.

      But Israel as a "Jewish State" is not a valid construct. It is a religion-supremacist construct - a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews, with more / special rights for Jews - because that's how Zio-supremacist Jews envisioned it, established it and have maintained (and expanded) it.

  • ICC opens war crimes inquiry into Israel over Gaza war as Palestinians prepare another UN resolution
    • >> JeffBeee: What I suspect is that no one wants to see this justice thing get out of hand.

      Right, because if justice gets out of hand, accountability and equality might follow and, well, that would make things very uncomfortable for Jewish and other supremacists and (war) criminals.

    • “The Palestinians are under the impression that the United Nations is their personal vending machine,” said Ambassador Ron Prosor on Wednesday at the Security Council in a debate on Middle East Peace.

      "The reality is that there's only one vending machine - the United States of America - and it's ours."

      Prosor slammed the Palestinian’s last foray at the Security Council in particular, because “It didn’t address Israel’s long-term security needs. It didn’t demand an end to Palestinian terrorism. And it didn’t recognize Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people.”

      Israel has been recognized as the nation state of the Israeli people. "Jewish State" is a religion-supremacist construct, and no-one - not even the Palestinians - should be expected or required to recognize or accept any state as a supremacist state.

  • Following Paris attacks the National Security State is passé, welcome to the International Security World
    • >> ivreee: Side show it is – even in just the Mid-East region. Watching the Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Lebanon… or Nigeria, Somalia, Kenya… scenes, makes you wonder how come people find a minute to spare there. After all it is relatively quite stable (that is, as long as there are no missiles from Gaza).

      Acts of injustice and immorality elsewhere in the world do not absolve Israel of its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes or its obligations under international law.

      Leave it to a Zio-supremacist to suggest that the rapist is actually a law-abiding citizen.

  • On CNN, Boteach lectures two prominent Muslims about freedom they 'enjoy' in US and Israel
    • >> Shmuley Boteach:

      “Judaism never posits a G-d that is so monolithic as to be described as love. Do you really want a G-d who is all love when it comes to punishing the Nazis for cremating children? Do you want a G-d who is all love when it comes to stopping an al-Qaida terrorist from planting a bomb that will blow up an airplane? Or do you want, at that moment, a just G-d who will cause that terrorist to have a car accident on the way to the plane so he can’t plant his bomb.”

      Wow, that's lame.

      If gawd were "all love", he would not permit evil to exist in the first place, and he would protect all of his creations (people and animals) from harm. So, yes, we should really want a gawd who is "all love".

      If gawd is cool with allowing millions of Jews and millions more non-Jews to perish at the hands of evil men so that he can punish those men later, why would he give a flying f*ck about stopping one terrorist on his way to an airplane? He would let the plane blow up and punish the terrorist later. And Boteach could then rejoice in the knowledge that his gawd is not "all love".

    • Boteach is arrogant, a liar and a Zio-supremacist.

      Hmmm...there's some redundancy there...

  • Netanyahu's Parisian follies
    • >> Kay24: Mixed messages.

      Yup. We are told that Israel - which is surrounded by genocidal Muslim/Arab hordes (and Iran) - constantly faces existential threats / the next Holocaust; and it is always on the verge of being wiped off the map and pushed into the sea. And then we're told that it's the safest place in the world for Jewish citizens of countries around the world.

      (It's kind of like how, on the one hand, Israel is a "moral beacon" and "Western-style democracy" while, on the other, it's just a little bit better than Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".)

    • Netanyahu then went back to Israel and gave a speech to young Diaspora Jews visiting on “birthright” trips, telling them to move to Israel, because it is “their land” ...

      Except that it's not their land - the land of any person who happens to be Jewish. That's just King Bibi the Zio-supremacist preaching Zio-supremacism to his subjects.

      Nothing outside of Israel's / Partition borders belongs to Israel, and nothing within those borders belongs to anyone other than the citizens of, immigrants to and ex-pats and refugees from Israel.

      ... But the relevant question for us tonight is this: Can Jews everywhere march in the streets and proclaim proudly, I am a Jew? ...

      Can minority groups in every country march down the streets of their respective countries and proclaim themselves? If they cannot, the resolution to their problems is acceptance and equality, not a host of supremacist states in Palestine and elsewhere.

  • Why do Muslims object to depictions of their prophet?
    • >>hophmi: I think people understand that Muslims love and revere the Prophet Mohammed. I think they also understand that some Muslims are offended by satirical depictions of the Prophet. What people do not understand is why they have to follow Muslim teaching on depictions of the Prophet, apparently, in some circles, on pain of death.

      Sonofagun, I agree with you, hophmi! In their homes, private businesses and places of worship, Muslims have every right not to depict / have depicted Mohammed or gawd or anyone else they don't want to depict / have depicted. But they should have no right to impose that or any other religious requirement on people or institutions outside of those spaces, and they certainly should not have the right to (capitally) punish people who / institutions that do not respect their religious requirements.

      >> hophmeee: People also see as hypocritical the defense of these perspectives by self-styled progressives, like Katie Miranda, who draws offensive, racialized cartoons depicting Jewish college students as white and privileged ...

      And then you lose me. Are you suggesting that:
      - no Jewish college students are white and privileged;
      - there are no white Jewish college students;
      - attending college not a privilege; and/or
      - you prefer the "classic" look when it comes to offensive, racialized cartoons of Jews?

  • Sadness and anger as 4 Jewish victims of Paris attack are buried in Jerusalem
    • >> Mooser: It couldn’t hurt.

      To speak out? No, it couldn't hurt. To obligate them to speak out? I guess it couldn't hurt those who do speak out, but it might hurt those who don't.

      But, hey, if Berman's OK with Jews being obligated to speak out against the (war and other) crimes of Jews, at least he's being consistent. I suspect, however, that he's not consistent.

    • >> RoHa: Surely you mean “while not all Jews are responsible for Jewish supremacism, …”

      Surely I did! :-) But I was purposely copying Berman's phrasing.

    • >> jon s: A Jew who dies anywhere in the world , and the family wants to bury him or her in Israel ...

      Or in occupied Jerusalem, apparently.

    • >> Berman added that he was nonplussed by the response from the French-Muslim community. “I think we need to hear more from Muslim groups and see Muslim protests,” he said. While all Muslims are not responsible for the attacks, he said, Muslims are obligated to speak out against the killings.

      Similarly, while all Jews are not responsible for Jewish supremacism, colonialism and other past and ON-GOING Jewish (war) crimes, Jews are obligated to speak out against them. Right, Berman?

      Or are you just another Zio-supremacist hypocrite who believes that it's OK for Jews to commit crimes against others that they would not have committed against them?

  • Jews around the world know 'deep in their hearts they have only one country, Israel' -- Netanyahu
    • >> michelle: with it’s unabashed ill treatment of all ‘others’ Israel is like the dirtiest of the worlds toilets

      I'm always amused by the fact that Zio-supremacists brag that Israel is as good as or better than any other nation in the world ("moral beacon", "light unto the nations", "Western-style democracy"), but defend it by comparing it to the worst nations in the world (it's not as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes").

      It's like some guy proclaiming he's the most law-abiding citizen you'll ever meet, but when you mention his rap sheet for domestic assault, theft and possession of child pornography, he gets all cocky and retorts, "Yeah, well, at least I'm not a rapist or a murderer!"

    • >> And here is an excerpt of Netanyahu ‘s speech at the funerals yesterday of French Jews slaughtered in Paris and buried in Jerusalem. ...

      ... Today, thankfully, we have a state of our own – a thriving, modern state; a state that shines a bright light, like a moral beacon for the world; a state that takes responsibility for its own fate. ...

      A "bright light" born of terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands. A "moral beacon" which - for over 60 years and with impunity - has stolen, occupied and colonized Palestinian land and oppressed, tortured and killed Palestinians. A state that takes no responsibility for its past and ON-GOING (war) crimes and which refuses to honour its obligations under international law.

      And our President was right when he said that Jews have the right to live in many countries, and it is their right to live in perfect safety.

      Well of course he was right to say that. He'd have to be a complete idiot to suggest otherwise.

      But I believe that they know deep in their hearts that they have only one country, the State of Israel ... Today more than ever, Israel is our true home, and the more numerous we are, and the more united we are in our country, the stronger we are in our one and only state – and that is the hope of the entire Jewish nation.

      So...never mind your homelands - the countries you have every right to live in in perfect safety. The only state you should care about is your "homeland" of Israel - a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" established in Palestine and at great expense to the indigenous population (past and present) for you, non-Israeli Jews, and for Jewish Israelis.

      The man, the movement (Zio-supremacism) and its adherents are bereft of any sense of justice, accountability and equality.

  • It's not the cartoons-- a contrarian perspective from a Muslim cartoonist
    • >> Whizdom: The killer in the HyperCacher told the hostages he had nothing against Jews, but said anyone who paid taxes was culpable in the presence of the French Military in Africa, and he stated his cause was to get the French Military out of Africa ...

      I'd be more inclined to believe that had he attacked French military personnel - or even French police officers or politicians - rather than patrons of a Jewish French grocery store.

    • The solution to protecting our freedoms isn’t to bomb Muslim countries, torture Muslims and ramp up our surveillance of them. The solution is to stop the cycle so there will be no more motivation for these attacks.

      I agree. And the just or moral solution to offensive cartoons is to respond to them / protest them / counter them peacefully.

      Never, ever is a murder spree the just or moral solution to offensive cartoons.

  • Congress says possible Palestinian unity gov't must recognize Israel as a Jewish state in order to receive aid
    • "Jewish State" is a religion-supremacist construct - a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

      The only thing anyone should recognize Israel as is an Israeli state - a state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally.

      (Every state should be the state of and for all of its respective citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally. Zio-supremacists - like all supremacists - shudder at the thought.)

  • Coalition of more than 40 NYC community groups calls on City Council to cancel delegation to Israel
    • >> Scott: The analogy Ahm[a]d posits will only make people think Palestinian aspirations for justice and equality are ridiculous.

      The issue of "racism and state violence" is better compared to how Israel treats non-Jews within its / Partition borders. (Israeli police / NYPD have a right to operate in their respective districts, but have no right to discriminate against their respective citizens.)

      Israel's 60+ years and on-going occupation and colonization of Palestine is a crime far greater than NYPD violence against citizens of New York. To equate the two might make people think that Palestinian aspirations are ridiculous, but IMO it most definitely diminishes Israel's past and on-going (war) crimes.

  • Netanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov't fumes
    • >> JeffBeee: You can continue to run around with a belief that Americans aren’t responsible for American politics, Japanese aren’t responsible for Japanese politics and Jews aren’t responsible for Zionism but it is frankly silly.

      If Americans are responsible for American politics and Japanese for Japanese politics, then Zionists - not Jews - are responsible for Zionist politics. And Israelis - not Zionists or Jews - ought to be responsible for Israeli politics.

    • >> JeffBeee: So I’ll take that as “yes I agree every single major Jewish organization in America is Zionist”.

      1. Don't take it as a "yes", because I don't know whether or not every single major Jewish organization in America is Zionist.

      2. The Zionist or non-Zionist status of those organizations has nothing to do with your original assertion that "the Jews" are building and supporting Israel. Not all Jews belong to those organizations; those organizations do not represent all Jews; not all Jews are building and supporting Israel; and not all people who are building and supporting Israel are Jews.

      >> Which means the Jews institutionally support Zionism.

      Some - or many, or perhaps even most - Jewish institutions and Jewish individuals support Zionism. But not all Jewish institutions and Jewish individuals support Zionism. Your insistence that they do - when clearly that's not the case - is a bit disturbing.

      >> You can continue to run around with a belief that Americans aren’t responsible for American politics, Japanese aren’t responsible for Japanese politics ...

      Please show me where I have stated that I hold and "run around with" this belief.

      >> ... and Jews aren’t responsible for Zionism but it is frankly silly.

      Are you suggesting that no non-Jewish Zionists and non-Jewish Zionist organizations exist to help build and support Israel?

    • >> eljay: I disagree that “the Jews” are responsible for building and supporting Israel. I say it’s Zio-supremacists (Jews and non-Jews) who are responsible for building and supporting Israel. I don’t believe all Jews should be held accountable for the actions of Zio-supremacists.

      To clarify: I disagree that “the Jews” are responsible for building and supporting Israel as an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State". I say it’s Zio-supremacists (Jews and non-Jews) who are responsible for building and supporting Israel. I don’t believe all Jews should be held accountable for the actions of Zio-supremacists.

      (And not all Jews support the existence of Israel in any form.)

    • >> JeffBeee: OK. My contention is that there is no meaningful support for the end of “Zio-supremacism” in the Jewish community. You are arguing I’m wrong. ...

      What's with the bait-and-switch? I wasn't responding to your "contention", I was responding to your comment: "It is not the martians that are building Israel, it is the Jews. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that the Jews support Israel."

      I disagree that "the Jews" are responsible for building and supporting Israel. I say it's Zio-supremacists (Jews and non-Jews) who are responsible for building and supporting Israel. I don't believe all Jews should be held accountable for the actions of Zio-supremacists. Apparently, you do.

    • >> JeffBeee: It is not the martians that are building Israel, it is the Jews. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that the Jews support Israel.

      It's not Jews, but Jewish and non-Jewish Zio-supremacists who are building and supporting Israel. It's incredibly anti-Semitic of you to hold all Jews accountable for the past and on-going (war) crimes of Zio-supremacists like you.

    • >> seafoid: Netanyahu is such a miserable turd. How he became king of the Jews is one of life’s great mysteries.

      The Lady of the Lake (Tiberias), her arm swathed in lush, cherry-tomato vine, held aloft a Captain Israel outfit from the bosom of the water...

    • The post seems to be a common sentiment among Israelis who are angry over what they perceive as the international community’s inability to empathize with its precarious security situation.

      They should be angry with the Zio-supremacists among them and with their successive governments for putting them in that precarious situation.

      Using terrorism and ethnic cleansing to establish a supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine, and then spending the next 60+ years stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians is bound to piss people off.

      Refusing to accept any responsibility for past (war) crimes even as Israel continues to commit (war) crimes with impunity doesn't help, either. Neither does Israel's refusal to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace, or to honour its obligations under international law.

    • >> y.f.: The Yehudim killed in the Kosher mart ... were killed because they were Jews.

      I agree. I condemn the act, I think it was utterly unjust and immoral, and I think it's a shame the perpetrators escaped justice and accountability for their actions.

    • >> JeffBeee: @Mooser It is actually pretty easy for him to get out of.

      There's nothing for me to get out of.

      >> If he starts applying the standard equally.

      I haven't applied the standard unequally. Show me one instance where I failed to call out a Japanese supremacist on his supremacism as he was advocating it.

      >> But as long as he believes laws should apply only to Jews then yeah, he’s a bigot.

      This is so lame it's funny!
      1. I have never one stated that laws should apply only to Jews. I have, in fact, consistently stated that justice, accountability and equality must be consistently and universally applied.
      2. You are the one arguing that Jews have a right to commit crimes against others that others are not permitted to commit against Jews. You are the Zio-supremacist bigot.

    • >> JeffBeee:

      No you won’t.

      Yes I will.

      We talked about Japan which is far worse than Israel and how the ethnic Korean and Chinese who live their aren’t really citizens and effectively are unable to naturalize. And you made token comment that was equally bad. Yet I have yet to hear you talk about Japanese supremacism as a virtual obsession.

      1. This isn't a site about Japan. If it were, I would be condemning Japan and not using Israel - or Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes" - as an excuse for Japanese supremacism.

      2. Thank you for confirming that I have supported neither hostility by a state against the refugees from the geographic region it comprises, nor inequality of all citizens.

      Nothing about Bulgaria, Croatia, Haiti, Greece…

      Same as Japan, above.

      Which means you don’t really care about ethnic criteria in the abstract what you care about are Jews.

      I care about equality - and justice and accountability - in all cases and for all people.

      Now it is established fact.

      In your fevered imagination, perhaps, but not in reality.

      Finally I’d like to call you on your own racism here.

      There's none to call me on.

      1/2 the Jewish population of Israel did not come from western countries. Israel should not be a western country.

      Then why do you Zio-supremacists keep insisting that it is?

      Trying to keep Israel European is being a racist not fighting it.

      Then you'd better have a chat with your racist Zio-supremacist co-collectivists, who want to keep Israel i) Western and ii) supremacist.

    • >> JeffBeee: It is.

      Except that it isn't.

      >> Besides the fact yet again you like to apply different standards.

      Nope. Double standards are what you guys do: What is bad when it's done by others to Jews is good when it's done by Jews to others.

      >> Lots of countries are rather hostile to refugees and somehow that doesn’t bother you any.

      Name some states that are hostile to refugees from the geographic regions they comprise and I will condemn them the same way I condemn Israel.

      >> As for “equally” most states aren’t equal and again doesn’t trouble you at all, only when the state in question is Jewish.

      Name some states* in which citizens are "unequal" and I will condemn them the same way I condemn Israel.

      (*This is where Zio-supremacists compare the "moral beacon", "light unto the nations", "Western-style democracy" of Israel not to the best Western nations it purports to be like, but to Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".)

      >> Which is the very definition of inequality.

      Your track record with definitions (morality = goal + methods) is quite poor. But, please, do show me one instance where I have supported hostility to refugees or inequality of citizens.

    • >> ckg: ... Natanyahu’s expression is priceless. ...

      "They are all Jews, and I am their king."

      (with apologies to Monty Python)

    • >> JeffBeee: He’d say that he agrees that France isn’t their homeland, Israel is ...

      IOW, he'd either be mistaken or a liar. Either way, he would be helping Hollande to deny Jewish French citizens their nationality and their true homeland.

      >> Lapid is a zionist ...

      Which means he is a Jewish supremacist. Despite what you think, Jewish supremacism is no less unjust or immoral than any other form of supremacism.

      >> ... when Israelis assert that Israel is a nation like any other but there is no hypocrisy there.

      There is much hypocrisy when Israel claims to be a nation like any other - a state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, ex-pats and refugees, equally - but in word and deed is actually a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" - a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews. (It is also a colonialist and expansionist state.)

    • JeffBeee: There is no love of the Jewish people in the west if there was Zionism never would have been necessary.

      Zio-supremacism was not and is not necessary. It was and remains an unjust and immoral response to past injustices committed against Jews.

      >> Israel either makes it ... or ... after Israel there is no Judaism.

      That's very dramatic-sounding, but Judaism existed before Israel, Judaism exists alongside Israel and Judaism will continue to exist after Israel.

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