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eljay

I'm a happily-married, vegetarian and atheist Canadian with two wonderful cats. :-)

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  • Palestinian steps toward reconciliation met with Israeli intransigence and incitement
    • ... Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s response to Palestinian reconciliation was characteristically reactionary. As part of a long message on Facebook, Netanyahu wrote:

      ... “There is nothing Israel wants more than peace with all our neighbors.” ...

      Except, he added sotto voce, to remain a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine and to be absolved of all obligations under international law and of all responsibility and accountability for past and on-going (war) crimes committed.

  • Contest! Design a logo to celebrate the IDF's 70th birthday
    • Excellent cartoon! Zionism is simply evil in a different uniform and Zionists are the hateful and immoral hypocrites who are happy to do (or to have done) unto others that which they would not want others to do (or to have done) unto them.

  • Pesspotimistic reflections from besieged Gaza
  • A new spirit in Gaza
    • || mcohen..: j bing writes

      “Palestinian unity cannot suceed until the israeli military occupation ends.”

      hamas and fatah have signed an agreement according to what i have read.which israeli military occupation does the author refer to ? ||

      The one that continues to separate the Palestinians of Gaza from the Palestinians of the remainder of not-Israel (i.e., territory outside of Israel's / Partition borders).

  • Who can save Israel now? Labor leader emulates Netanyahu
    • || yonah fredman: ... i think it is natural to say that Zoabi is not a natural partner to someone who doesn’t hate Israel. ... ||

      Zoabi is not a natural partner to someone who believes that the religion-based identity of Jewish grants to those who choose to hold it the right:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      || ... there is a racism problem in Israel. ... ||

      Dunno about a racism problem, but there's definitely a colonialism, (war) criminal and religion-supremacism problem in Israel. It's called Zionism.

  • ‘Balfour’s Legacy: Confronting the Consequences’ to be held in Harvard Square
    • || @aa: @e

      you forgot. JUDEN!!. ... (forget the lack of DNA, the while h bbb ooo ok uh py convert theory ... the same8 denial that causes you to overload with caustic indignation when ever somebody else mentions the oil ||

      Your caustic indignation at once again being called out for the fraud and fool that you are is making you less coherent than usual.

      You persistent whataboutery aside, the fact remains that few Jewish citizens of countries all of the world had or have indigenous connections to geographic Palestine. And those who did or do were not entitled to a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of geographic Palestine for themselves and for other people in the world who chose to acquire and/or hold the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      As for "the oil", all I can say is h bbb ooo ok uh py.

    • || DaBakr: ... the Europeans have NO indigenous connection to the land like Jews have to Israel. ... ||

      Europeans had no indigenous connections to North America. Few Jewish citizens of countries all of the world had indigenous connections to geographic Palestine. Those who did were not entitled to establish a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of geographic Palestine for themselves and for other people in the world who chose to acquire and/or hold the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      || ... Only mondoweiss gets to engage in their self created whataboutism. ||

      Whataboutism is what you did just now and what you Zionists do every day: Attempt to justify your preferred brand of evil by deflecting attention to a different brand of evil.

  • 'The other side of the Siege' -- the IDF takes on the Jenin Freedom Theatre
    • ... “Perception is a tricky thing when you try to understand someone from another culture, other religions or other political views,” he said, clicking to the next powerpoint slide.

      It shows an image of children holding guns, allegedly Palestinian children in Gaza despite an absence of identifying factors. Lotan said they are playing a game of hostage.

      He contrasted the culture of war to that of Israelis, to whom army service is a mandatory duty with the ultimate outcome of connecting the citizen to the nation.

      “But for them, for these kids.” Lotan said, without a hint of cognizance, “this is heroism. This is kidnapping a soldier of the enemy and holding him without any purpose.” ...

      Mr. Lotan is correct:
      - Palestinian children don't know what they're doing when they imagine that a game of hostage in which they pretend to kidnap enemy soldiers is heroism.
      - Israeli adult soldiers know exactly what they're doing when they "connect to their nation" by enforcing the "Jewish State's" decades-long and on-going campaign of oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism.

  • Danish pension fund blacklists four Israeli companies linked to settlements
    • || RoHa: It won’t help with the nightly blackouts unless they add a storage system. ||

      "Storage system" is just a fancy way of saying "new infrastructure for Israel to destroy".

    • || hophmi: .. Funny how no one boycotts the white blonde people. Instead, they go after the Jews. ... ||

      Let's see:
      1. Anti-Semitic conflation all Jews (which are anti-Semitically referred to as "the Jews") with Israel and Israel with all Jews.
      2. Singling out the world's only Danish state.
      3. The usual Zionist whataboutery.

      Three fails (four if you count the anti-Semitism as a double hit) in only two sentences. Impressive.

  • The pedagogy of apartheid
  • 'The Siege' gets US premiere at last, in blow to 'Israeli propaganda machine'
    • || hophmi: ... You have never presented Israelis as human beings here. ||

      Jewish and non-Jewish Israelis have been presented as human beings here.

  • US quits UNESCO over 'anti-Israel bias' and Israel follows suit
    • || Mayhem: @eljay, trying your hand at satire? ... ||

      Nope. I can't hope to compete.

      || ... Can’t stand the good news? ||

      Dunno. I don't see any.

    • ... The United States and Israel announced on Thursday they were quitting the U.N.’s cultural agency UNESCO, after Washington accused it of anti-Israeli bias. ...

      Next week, the U.S. and Israel will announce that they are quitting themselves because of their deliberate and persistent anti-Iran bias. The U.S. is hinting that it will also quit itself over its anti-North Korea bias.

  • On my sixth visit, I've never seen Gaza so devastated
    • || jon s: The people of Gaza should have better schools, better health care ... ||

      I agree.

      || ... massive investments in infrastructure, agriculture, industry and commerce. Hamas has utterly failed to address those needs. ||

      Hamas isn't blocking "massive investments in infrastructure, agriculture, industry and commerce".

      But I agree with you:
      - Israel ends its land, sea and air blockade of Gaza.
      - Hamas freely solicits massive investments in infrastructure, agriculture, industry and commerce.
      - Hamas takes the credit if it succeeds at delivering better schools and better health care, and the blame if it fails to deliver.

    • || Jane Porter: Why does israel have to be “recognized by the Palestinian?”. ... ||

      Jewish supremacists (Zionists) want their non-Jewish victims to legitimize:
      - their own dispossession;
      - the loss of most of their native territory to the Zionist colonialist project; and
      - the existence of Israel as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" that, at best, will treat them as second-class citizens.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay ... I will agree you can blame Israel for not being a society of perfect drivers, where traffic accidents happen. The rest of the mess is mainly on the Gazans. Its sheer bigotry to ignore their role in constant escalation. ||

      Yup, he puts a roof over their heads, feeds them and buys them nice clothes. You can blame the rapist for not being a perfect man, but the rest of the mess is mainly on the ungrateful bitches in the basement. It's sheer bigotry to ignore their role in constant escalation.

      You're as hateful and immoral a Jewish supremacist (Zionist) as Jack Green...but not nearly as amusing.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay ... Here is a map of Yishuv settlement. You can see there is almost nothing in the towns and villages for the people who became Gazans. ... ||

      That map of "Land in Jewish Possession" show that:
      - most of Palestine was not in Jewish possession; and
      - Gaza was a large region within Palestine.

      Since then:
      - Palestine was partitioned;
      - the "Jewish State" stole, occupied and colonized most of territory outside of its / Partition borders; and
      - Gaza was reduced to a small coastal region, its population confined and isolated from the remainder of not-Israel.

      But, sure, Zionists ain't never done nuthin' to the Palestinians in Gaza.

    • || JeffB @Eljay

      Sorry that analogy doesn’t cut it. It isn’t even close to true. There are no chains. Israel’s desire for Gaza is that they agree to be a peaceful state in Gaza. It the Gazans not the Israelis who insisted on no peace. ... ||

      Okay, okay, there are no chains. The rapist allows his victims to roam free in the basement. And despite his generosity, those bitches still insist on no peace.

      || ... If you want to make an analogy the analogy would be something like a nasty attack dog that tries to kill someone every time people go near it and so hasn’t been stuck on a chain tied to a pole in the ground. ... ||

      Your sanitized analogy conveniently omits the fact that those self-entitled people entered the dog's yard, claimed it for themselves, set up tents, beat the dog, chained it in a corner of the yard and killed its pups. But, yeah, it's all the dog's fault for being "nasty".

    • The suffering in the basement is the fault of the victims chained in it who refuse to accept the "right" of the rapist to imprison and brutalize them.

      Similarly, Zionists will tell you that the suffering in Gaza is the fault of its inhabitants who refuse to accept that the religion-based identity of Jewish comprises a "right" to a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      Zionists - and rapists - are truly hateful and immoral people.

  • The low-rent bullying of the Zionist ideologue
    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      want Israel to be primarily for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews

      As you well know that’s not true. ... ||

      That's entirely true. Every Zionist wants Israel to exist as a "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

      || ... In Zionist thinking we are in a transitional phase during the ingathering of the exiles. ... ||

      There are no Israeli "exiles". But there are many non-Jewish Israeli refugees that cannot return to their homes and lands because no Zionist wants them in his religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

      || ... Focusing on Israel’s incessantly while being indifferent to the others OTOH is a double standard. ... ||

      I object to all supremacist states, no double-standard. This site deals primarily with I-P so it's understandable that the focus is on Israel.

      If this site dealt primarily with Saudi Arabia or North Korea, the focus would understandably be on Saudi Arabia or North Korea. And your apologist counterparts in either of those countries could be counted on to:
      - accuse critics of "incessant focus" and "singling out" their (world's only Saudi Arabian or North Korean) state; and,
      - engage in similar "murders exist so it's OK to rape" whataboutery to justify their hateful and immoral beliefs and their state's unjust and immoral actions.

    • || JeffB: ... Your friend fundamentally rejects your frame which starts with the assumption that Jews are not entitled to the same rights as other people. ... ||

      People who choose to be Jewish are entitled to the same rights as people who do not choose to be Jewish. Zionist believe that Jewish comprises a right to a religion-supremacist state. That's not a right anyone should have.

      || ... What she’s rejecting is your support for the idea that Jews do not have the same rights to Israel as the French do in France or the Chinese in China. ... ||

      France is for the French. China is for the Chinese. Israel should be for Israelis, but Zionists want Israel to be primarily for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews - IOW, a religion-supremacist "Jewish State". No-one should support the idea of a supremacist state.

    • || jon s: ... The Zionist movement didn’t push for depopulating Palestine. ... ||

      If you're going to set up a colonialist and supremacist state, you've basically got three options when it comes to the native population (or, as Zionists like to call it, the "demographic threat"): Subjugate, cleanse or kill.

      Cleanse happened, whether or not Zionists wanted it to happen. (Thankfully, in the words of R.W., "currently its (sic) not necessary".) Subjugation isn't working out as smoothly expected, so that leaves kill. Sounds horrible, but it's nothing Zionists can't rationalize as a(nother) "necessary evil".

  • Anti-blackness and the core logic of Zionism
    • || JeffB: @Eljay ... No that’s according to Eljay not Hillel. ... ||

      No, that's according to you: "Anti-Zionism ... is not something that Hillel considers a legitimate part of Judaism."

      IOW, Zionism is something that Hillel considers a legitimate part of Judaism. And Zionism comprises colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism.

      || ... It is anti-Zionists who pretend that Israel is some sort of one dimensional country and all they do is oppress Palestinians. ... ||

      Israel isn't one-dimensional - it just happens that its primary dimension involves being a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State". I wish it weren't so, but them's the facts.

    • || JeffB: ... Anti-Zionism is clearly something that some Jews do. It is not something that Hillel considers a legitimate part of Judaism. ... ||

      So...according to Hillel, Judaism requires Jews to engage in oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and religion-based supremacism. Huh.

      || ... Hillel is quite specific they consider the following 4 activities to be anti-Jewish ... ||

      Since anti-Zionism is not something that Hillel considers a legitimate part of Judaism, Hillel should consider those four activities to be anti-Judaism, not anti-Jewish.

  • Netanyahu announces unprecedented settlement expansion in the West Bank
    • ... Trump did not weigh in directly on the expansion. But an official from the White House told Haaretz “President Trump has publicly and privately expressed his concerns regarding settlements and the administration has made clear that unrestrained settlement activity does not advance the prospect for peace,” adding, “At the same time the administration recognizes that past demands for a settlement freeze have not helped advance peace talks.” ...

      Ventriloquists' dummies speak while their masters drink from glasses of water. White House dummies officials speak while their masters fellate Zionist donkeys.

  • Hamas and Fatah sign unity deal, but details remain unclear
    • The only Palestinians Zionists seem to approve of are the ones who agree to be subjugated, cleansed or killed, because the remainder - the ones who demand justice, accountability and equality - are obviously Jew-hating anti-Semites who threaten the Zionist wet-dream of Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

  • The problem with Miko Peled's 'Holocaust: yes or no'
    • || Annie Robbins: ... peled didn’t make an “expression” of “Holocaust: yes, or no”, that was an editorial choice. ... ||

      IMO, by unnecessarily saying "yes or no" - and by saying it immediately and only after "Holocaust" - that's exactly what Mr. Peled appears to have done, even if it's not what he meant to do.

      It's odd that he didn't just say:
      This is about free speech, the freedom to criticise and to discuss every issue, whether it’s the Holocaust, Palestine, the liberation, the whole spectrum. There should be no limits on the discussion.

  • It's easier to be a vegan than an anti-Zionist in Israel
    • Zionists seem to work very hard...
      - to "normalize" Jews as oppressors, colonialists, (war) criminals and supremacists; and then, in order to shield them from being treated accordingly,
      - to "de-normalize" (or "single out") Jews for favourable treatment.

  • From Greta Gerwig to NYU, Israel has deep reservoir of cultural support in U.S.
    • || Mooser: ... Yes, I remember that same process happening with Apartheid South Africa. Even with all their gold and diamonds, nobody had a good word to say about them. Israel might want to take warning by that. ||

      The way Zionists tell it, Israel has nothing to worry about for the sooner of:
      - another ~930 years; or
      - forever minus ~70 years.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      And there is no “Land of Israel”.

      What does that even mean? ... ||

      You're funny.  :-)

      || ... Well over 2/3rds of the regular posters on this board either pro or anti have been there. ||

      To Israel? Sure. I never said Israel didn't exist.

    • || Betty: Zionism is the very successful national liberation movement of the Jewish people, who are indigenous to the Land of Israel. ... ||

      Zionism is Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      Zionism is not "liberation". And there is no "Land of Israel".

      || ... Stop the lies and propaganda. ... ||

      Yes, please stop.

      || ... Israel is forever. ||

      I thought it was a Thousand Years. Either way, that's a mighty long time.

  • Israeli plan to 'transfer' 300,000 Palestinians to West Bank is new normal -- Zoabi
    • || Nathan: ... Anyway, it’s the old “cursed be you if you do, and cursed be you if you don’t”. ... ||

      || JeffB: ... agree with you on the damned if you do, damned if you don’t approach to Israel. ||

      One of you has the expression in quotation marks and one of you doesn't. Is it understood that it is not really as you present it, or is it indeed being presented as serious? I would suggest that you Zionists decide.

  • As battle rages in UK Labour Party, Moshe Machover expelled after asserting 'Anti-Zionism does not equal anti-Semitism'
    • || Marnie: It’s incredible JeffB can type such volumes one-handed. ||

      He did say he comes from a place of love. Sounds like a lot of practice was involved.

    • || Tony Greenstein: Jeff B employs the same circular racist tropes and assumptions that most Zionists do, though with even less logic. ... ||

      Zionist Emet's recent description of "hypocrites of the worst kind" coincidentally(?) described fellow Zionist JeffB perfectly:

      hypocrisy intertwined with bigotry and antisemitism

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      We’ve had this discussion dozens of times. No exactly like France. ... ||

      Yes we have and, no, not like France. France is French; Israel is - and Zionists insist that Israel remain - a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

    • || JeffB: ... Jews have been quite clear for 130 years the goal is Israel is Jewish the way France is French. ... ||

      Zionists have been quite clear for 130 years that the goal is a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel unlike the way France is French.

  • Feel-good Gaza poster in NY window draws feel-bad response from neighbor
    • || Kaisa of Finland: ... our Eljay ... ||

      That has a nice ring to it.  :-)

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || .... I object to discrimination by Jews & to discrimination against Jews.
      I make an exception for Israel. Because ... ||

      ...you're a supremacist hypocrite. But I already knew that.

      || ... The non-Israeli Jews are the descendants of citizens of the Kingdom of Israel & the Kingdom of Judah. The non-Jewish Israeli refugees are not. ... ||

      Non-Israeli Jews are not Israeli. Non-Jewish Israelis are Israeli. Leave it to a Zionist to fuck up the obvious.

      As for the rest of your comment, it and you are just too stupid to deal with any more. I'll leave it to others to be amused and/or frustrated by you.

      Take care, Jack, you ol' hateful and immoral Zionist hypocrite.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... I think that it’s OK that all countries discriminate in favor of their own citizens. ... ||

      Please respond to the question I actually asked you: Do you object to discrimination by Jews or do you object only to discrimination against Jews?

      || ... Some grant citizenship to children of citizens even if born abroad & even to grandchildren of citizens. ... ||

      Up to n-generations removed from a geographic region: That makes sense...which is why Israel doesn't do it.

      || ... Israel grants citizenship to descendants of citizens of the Kingdom of Israel & the Kingdom of Judah ... ||

      No, Israel simply prioritizes non-Israeli Jews - citizens of homelands all over the world - over its non-Jewish Israeli refugees and descendants of non-Jewish Israelis. It does so because it is a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

      || ... & I think that’s OK. ||

      Of course you do: You're a Jewish supremacist (Zionist).

    • || Jack Green: ... Here’s why the Zionist colonialist project is different from all other colonial projects.

      In all other colonial projects, the colonists go to a land where their ancestors never lived. In the Zionist project, Jews return to the land of their ancestors. ... ||

      First off, thanks for admitting that the Zionist colonialist project was a colonialist project.

      Okay, here we go: In the Zionist colonialist project, Jewish citizens of homelands all over the world migrated to the foreign land of Palestine, a place that was not their homeland or the "land of their ancestors". Fail #1.

      (Geographic Palestine was the land of its native population, as you correctly acknowledge in your next point, below. Pass #1...until you weasel you way out of it.)

      || ... In all other colonial projects, the native people are worse off because of the colonists. In the Zionist project, draining the swamps thereby reducing the number of mosquitoes thereby lowering the incidence of disease made the natives healthier & longer lived. ... ||

      In the Zionist colonialist project, the native people of Palestine are worse off because those who weren't ethnically cleansed from their homes and lands by Zionists and refused their right to return have been subjected to decades (and counting) of oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and/or second-class status in a religion-supremacist state. Fail #2.

      || ... In all other colonial projects, a powerful mother country directly controls less powerful countries and uses their resources to increase its own power and wealth. In the Zionist colonial project, there was no mother country. ||

      You're right: In the Zionist colonialist project, there was no "mother country" - there were mother countries. And once the "Jewish State" was established, it became its own mother country with respect to the on-going occupation and colonization of territory outside of Israel's / Partition borders. Fail #3.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Please don’t put words in my mouth. ... ||

      I wouldn't dream of putting anything in your mouth.

      || ... I am against oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism. ... ||

      ...except in the case of Zionism and its oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" construct.

      || ... Definition of Zionism ... ||

      JewishVirtualLibrary.org:

      ... the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel. ...

      IOW: Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      || ... I don’t see anything in the definition about oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism. ||

      Of course you don't: You're a Zionist.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... If Israel can take in a certain number of people per year, should it determine who it takes by lottery or should Israel give preference to “all people living in and up to n-generations removed from Partition-borders Israel?” ||

      Any country that "can take in a certain number of people per year" should prioritize repatriating its refugees. Rather than repatriate its non-Jewish Israeli refugees, Israel chooses to import foreign (non-Israeli) Jews.

      So I ask you again: Do you object to discrimination by Jews or do you object only to discrimination against Jews?

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... Do you object to discrimination by ethnicity & race or do you object only to discrimination by religion? ||

      I object to all three.

      Do you object to discrimination by Jews or do you object only to discrimination against Jews?

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... ” in your opinion the “solution” is oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism ”

      That is not my opinion. ||

      You're a Zionist - it is very much your opinion that the solution to acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews...
      - is not the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality; but, rather,
      - is oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism committed by Jews against non-Jews.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... I should have made clear ... ||

      ...that your claim that "Israel has taken in more refugees proportional to its population than any other country" was false?

      ... that Israel prefers to import non-Israeli Jews rather than repatriate its non-Jewish Israeli refugees?

      ... that in your opinion the "solution" is oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism and that's why you believe Israel is part of the "solution"?

      Yes, you should have made those things clear.

      || ... At least 300,000 Palestinian refugees live in Lebanon in what Human Rights Watch calls”appalling social and economic conditions.” ... ||

      See that right there? That's you Zionistically saying "murderers exist, so it's OK to rape".

    • || jon s: Eljay,
      I plead guilty to saying “peace” and supporting peace movements and initiatives. It’s what we – Israelis and Palestinians – need most. ... ||

      Everyone needs peace. Everyone also needs justice, accountability and equality. You focus solely on the former because it:
      - allows Israel to remain a religion-supremacist "Jewish State";
      - allows Israel to keep most of what it has stolen;
      - absolves Israel and Zionist (war) criminals of their past and on-going (war) crimes; and
      - absolves Israel of its obligations under international law (incl. RoR).

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... For years, women who were beaten by their husbands, boyfriends or lovers had no refuge to escape to.
      We could have waited for “universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality”
      OR
      We could have established Womens Shelters. ... ||

      If you think really, really hard about it, you just might realize that unlike Jews seeking refuge, women seeking refuge never invaded a geographic region, committed terrorism and ethnic cleansing and established a colonialist, (war) criminal and supremacist state.

      You're doing a damned fine job with the first half of idiot-savant.

      || ... I did not say “that rape is okay because murderers exist.” ||

      You and your fellow Zionists say it all the time. You just say it Zionistically.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... Israel is part of the solution. ... ||

      If the "solution" is oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism, I agree that Israel is part of the "solution".

      || ... There are 60 million refugees. ZERO are Jews. ... ||

      But a LOT of them are non-Jewish Israelis that Israel should care about but doesn't care about because, being a religion-supremacist "Jewish State", it prefers to import non-Israeli Jews.

      || ... Israel has taken in more refugees proportional to its population than any other country. ||

      A very quick Google says you're (deliberately?) wrong. Here is just one example:

      Turkey hosts the most refugees of any country with 2.77 million. Pakistan comes second with 1.58 million while Lebanon is in third place overall with 1.04 million. As a share of the populatuon, however, Lebanon hosts the most refugees by far with 173 per 1,000 of its inhabitants. Jordan comes second with 89 per 1,000 of its population and Nauru rounds off the top three with 50 per 1,000 people. ...

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    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... Even if all Zionists were perfect, still there will never will be “universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality;” ... ||

      But at least Zionists would be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Your argument - the unjust and immoral Zionist argument - is that rape is okay because murderers exist.

      || ... And even if someday there will be “universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality,” what do we do in the mean time to protect the oppressed minorities? ... ||

      We do what we can. If you know someone is being raped, the wrong thing to do is to shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, there's nothing we can do because murderers exist."

      || ... The archaeologist and historian Hugo Winckler suggested in 1895 that there were never any such people and the Biblical stories concerning them are entirely mythological and without any connection to actual historical events. ... ||

      Shame on Mr. Winckler for denying the genocide of Amalekites. (I'm glad it wasn't Henry Winkler who denied it.)

      || ... I’m not Israeli, so I can’t offer to partition Israel. ... ||

      You're not Palestinian but you have no problem justifying, supporting and defending the partition of Palestine.

      || ... However, I am American & I do favor partitioning the USA so oppressed minorities can have their own countries. ||

      Best of luck with that. :-)

    • || RoHa: Jack, I have to say that of all the Zionist apologists we have had on this site, your brevity makes you my favourite. ||

      Same here. He spouts the same sort of supremacist nonsense they all do but unlike, say, JeffB and y.f., at least he gets right to the point.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... There never was & there never will be “universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality;” ... ||

      If Zionists and other like-minded evil-doers continue deliberately to undermine international laws and human rights, you may be right. I prefer a world in which we all try to be as good as we possibly can and not just a bit better than the worst that exists.

      || ... On the other hand, there have been genocides in the past & there will be genocides in the future. ... ||

      Jews exterminated 100% of Amalekites in the past. What are you proposing for the future?

      || ... What if another Hitler arises & there is no Israel? ||

      Many people - including Romani, homosexuals and the mentally-ill - will suffer and die. It's nice of you to offer to partition Israel so that these minorities can establish their very own supremacist states.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... I think that it’s good for Jews to have a majority-Jewish state considering how majority-gentile states have failed the Jews ... ||

      Many states have failed their Jewish - and non-Jewish - minorities. The proper solution to acts of injustice and immorality committed against minorities:
      - is the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality;
      - is not the establishment by minorities of supremacist states in whichthey can do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      || ... but I don’t think that Jews are entitled a majority-Jewish state. ... ||

      I agree.

      || ... I think that gentile citizens in a majority-Jewish state should have the same rights as the Jews. ... ||

      I'm with you: Equal rights for all people living in and up to n-generations removed from Partition-borders Israel.

      || ... Israel is NOT religion based. It’s ethnic based. Israel will take in an atheist if his parents, grand-parents, etc. were Jews. ||

      Right: Israel will take in people who:
      - have undergone a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - are descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      The "Jewish State" won't take in an atheist if his parents, etc., were not Jews. And it won't grant to anyone a bureaucratic nationality of Jewish.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... 1. Do you believe that the Jewish citizens of Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Finland and England have a right to a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine?

      No. ... ||

      Thanks for the clarification.

      || ... Question #2 was only to be answered if I had said “Yes” to question #1. ... ||

      Question # 2 - which is specific to Israelis - is independent of Question #1. Please provide an answer:

      2. If the Jewish people of Israel are entitled to a “Jewish State” of Israel (something a Zionist like you believes to be true), what sort of Israel are the non-Jewish people of Israel (20% of its population) entitled to?

      Thanks. :-)

      || ... Evidence that Israel is a religion-supremacist “Jewish State?” ||

      Jewish is a religion-based identity. A state envisioned as, established as, defined as and maintained as a state primarily of and for all people in the world who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish is a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

    • || Jack Green: ... I would not assume that they are self-loathing Jews. I would assume that they are misinformed. ||

      I would say with certainty that Mr. al-Khalidi was misinformed.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... No. ... ||

      Please clarify:
      - To which question is that the answer?
      - What is the answer to the other question?

      Thanks.

      || ... BTW, Israel is not a religion-supremacist state. ||

      BTW, it is.

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... I have no reason to assume that Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi was a self-loathing Arab. Do you? ||

      I have no reason to assume that Jews who oppose Zionism and its colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" project are self-loathing Jews. Do you?

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... Do the people of Denmark have the right to a religion-supremacist “Church of Denmark State” in Denmark? ... ||

      No.

      || ... Do the people of Iceland have the right to a religion-supremacist “Church of Iceland State” in Iceland? ... ||

      No.

      || ... Do the people of Norway have the right to a religion-supremacist “Church of Norway State” in Norway? ... ||

      No.

      || ... Do the people of Finland have the right to a religion-supremacist “Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland in Finland? ... ||

      No.

      || ... Do the people of England have the right to a religion-supremacist “Church of England State” in England? ||

      No.

      My turn:
      1. Do you believe that the Jewish citizens of Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Finland and England have a right to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine?

      2. If the Jewish people of Israel are entitled to a "Jewish State" of Israel, what sort of Israel are the non-Jewish people of Israel (20% of its population) entitled to?

    • || Jack Green: eljay ... ||

      Jack. :-)

      || ... I did not say that Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi was a self-loathing Arab. ||

      You didn't have to say it.

    • || Eva Smagacz: JeffB ...

      You say:
      “try and work towards dialogue not confrontation” ... ||

      He says "dialogue" the way RW used to say "dialog" and the way jon s says "peace" - which is to say, wishing for an outcome that:
      - allows Israel to remain a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine;
      - absolves Israel of its obligations under international law (including RoR); and
      - absolves Israel and Zionists of responsibility and accountability for their past and on-going (war) crimes.

    • || Jack Green: Why were Palestinians murdering Jews in 1920? ... ||

      It makes me kind of sad that you don't start your replies with "eljay" anymore.  :-(

    • || Jack Green: ... Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi, the Arab mayor of Jerusalem, in 1899 in a letter to Zadok Kahn, the chief rabbi of France about the rights of Jews to self-determination in the land of the Jews. ||

      There is no "land of the Jews", and the religion-based identity of Jewish does not comprise a right to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine. So what you're saying is that Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi was a self-loathing Arab.

    • || Jack Green: If a white man put up a statue of Jefferson Davis on his front lawn & an African-American wrote him a letter saying that the statue upset him, would you blame the African-American? ||

      You're right: No-one can blame Palestinians for being upset that Zionists established a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in most of their geographic region.

    • Hamas would have me and my family “mutilated to a cheering crowd,” says a NY Jew in letter to a neighbor on their Gaza poster.

      That response looks like it came from a NY Zionist, someone who believes that people who choose to be/come Jewish are entitled:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

  • Can't discuss Palestine on campus? Then disaffiliate.
    • || Betty: ... Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people, represented by the amazing state of Israel. ... ||

      Zionism is the belief that the religion-based identity of Jewish grants to those who choose to hold it the right:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      Zionism is an unjust and immoral ideology, represented by the deliberately and unapologetically colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state of Israel.

  • On empathy, Yom Kippur, and the NFL
    • || Sibiriak: eljay: But the possibility that he may mean something doesn’t mean that he actually means it.

      ————————-

      Exactly. He may mean something; then again, he may not–that’s what makes the deniability plausible . ||

      Right, but my (poorly-stated) point was that I don't believe that his use of conditionals was meant to create plausible deniability because I don't believe that he believes that Jews collectively are the "enemies of all humanity".

      || ... (Of course, an unconditional affirmative statement would remove any doubts.) ||

      I'm sure that any moment now JeffB will provide a link to it.

    • || Sibiriak: Eljay: I saw those. Both were conditional …
      ————————————-

      Could it be that the conditional (and interrogative) can be useful– to maintain plausible deniability? ||

      Sure. But the possibility that he may mean something doesn't mean that he actually means it.

    • || RoHa: ... Thank you, eljay, for checking what I really did say ... I’m glad the commas were in the right places. ... ||

      I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I didn't verify comma placement. ;-)

      || ... But, to be fair to JB ... I have used the phrase about Jews in general. Once was in the context of Jews in general being supporters of Israel, and once was in the context of a prayer by which Jews apparently encouraged God to smite the rest of us. ... ||

      I saw those. Both were conditional - one on a Zionist assertion, the other on a Jewish prayer.

      Maintaining an oppressive ethnocracy is the shared enterprise of the Jewish community? If so, that gives a pretty good reason for branding Jews in general as enemies of humanity. Did the rabbi not realise he (or maybe she) was promoting and justifying anti-Semitism?

      and

      "Problematic" seems a mild term for a prayer which makes Jews the enemies of humanity.

      I was unable to find in your Comment archives a straightforward condemnation of Jews as the "enemies of all humanity". Perhaps JeffB can provide a link to it.

      Oh, wait, I just remembered: He moved the goalposts. Go figure.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      I’ve supported the Kurdish independence for decades since slightly before the first gulf war. ... ||

      That's nice.

      || ... As for RoHa. Given that I was citing from memory how is that wrong ... ||

      It's wrong because it's wrong. The fact that you were citing something from memory doesn't turn a falsehood into a truth.

      || ... “Zionists are the enemies of mankind.“. I might say that ebola or mosquitos are enemies of mankind but I can’t imagine saying that about a political movement (which is how he meant it). ... ||

      Once again - and true to form - you shift the goalposts. But thanks for admitting that your original accusation was pure bullshit.

      || ... Yep. You all are way over my violence quotient with that rhetoric. ||

      You Zionists never operate within a reasonable bullshit quotient.

    • || JeffB: ... RoHa has called Jews enemies of all humanity. I remember being shocked when he said that. ... ||

      Let's see what he actually said:
      MaxNarr @ December 3, 2015, 9:34 pm:

      Zionism is Judaism. There is no difference.

      RoHa @ December 3, 2015, 10:30 pm:

      The fruits of Zionism, of this exclusivity and rejection of humanity, have been murder, ethnic cleansing, oppression, and unending lying. Zionists are the enemies of mankind.

      And since you say that Zionism is Judaism, you (and not I) have just declared that Jews – followers of Judaism – are the enemies of mankind.

      But yeah I'm not at all shocked that you deliberately got it wrong.

    • Emet's recent definition of "bunch of hypocrites of the worst kind" describes JeffB perfectly:

      hypocrisy intertwined with bigotry and antisemitism

    • || JeffB: ... @Eljay

      And that answer to yonah is why he took the comment from me and the comment from RoHa quite differently. The context is different, the intent is different so ultimately he meaning is different. Yonah knows I’m coming from a place of love of the Jewish people. ||

      RoHa believes that Jews in America should assimilate and you believe that Jews in America...should assimilate. Yeah, the difference is staggering.

      But maybe yonah likes it when you come from your place of love.

    • A Zionist advocates assimilation and y.f. sighs wistfully:

      ... Assimilation ... thus is inevitable but highly regrettable.

      A non-Zionist advocates assimilation and y.f. screeches bloody murder:

      Roha ... wants the Jews, their state ... and their language and their religion to disappear. He does not want to apply Nazi murder to accomplish his goal but assimilation according to him is the greatest invention since sliced bread.

      And:

      RoHa- You are an enemy to the all small minority groups that wish to maintain their identity. One of those small minority groups are the Jews. Thus you are an enemy to the Jews as a group. ...

      Interesting.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      Since you are quoting me. Yes agree with the analogy. Quite fair and quite true. ||

      Made yonah very sad you have. :-(

    • || Matt McLaughlin: Assimulation is Jews’ biggest threat in America. ... ||

      Nah, it's not a threat - it's the promise of a rosy future, similar to the one JeffB described for Palestinians. To paraphrase: Jews need to act like Americans so that Americans will breed with them. The Jewish nation will dissolve and descendants of Jews will live in a technologically-advanced, happy and healthy country. There may be a lot of suffering to get there, but quite a bit of it will be self-inflicted.

  • How Kurdish independence underpins Israel’s plan to reshape the Middle East
    • || Emet: How come the “Palestinians” never demanded a state from their Ottoman overlords? Why don’t you tell us eljay? ... ||

      I have no idea why Palestinians never demanded a state from their Ottoman overlords. You'll have to ask a Palestinian who lives under Ottoman rule.

      || ... The Kurdish push for independence goes way back before the idea of a state crept into the head of Husseini, Arafat, Barguhti and friends. ... ||

      That's nice.

    • || Emet: Here is the evidence, as clear daylight, that the Mondoweiss faithful are a bunch of hypocrites of the worse kind. ... ||

      Bunch of hypocrites of the worst kind is reserved for Zionists.

      || ... For those who are wondering what the worst kind means, it means hypocrisy intertwined with bigotry and antisemitism. ... ||

      Like I said.

      || ... Anyone who has put a toe outside their door in support of the Palestinians, who has not done the same for the Kurds, who are far more deserving than the Palestinians, should look into a mirror and not like what they see. ... ||

      I like what I see in the mirror because IMO the Kurds - just like the Palestinians - were and are entitled to self-determine as a secular and democratic state of and for all people living within and up to n-generations removed from their geographic region, equally.

    • || Jackdaw: ... https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2017/9/25/how-palestinians-came-to-reject-kurdish-demands-for-homeland ||

      ... Israel also has a large Kurdish minority [of] Jewish background. ...

      That's funny. The article refers to them as Kurdish when, clearly, they are ancient Israelites.

      ... Meanwhile, both Iraq and Iran have said that the establishment of a Kurdish state would be "a new Israel" in the region. ...

      A Kurdish state does not have to be an oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and supremacist construct. One hopes that the leaders of a Kurdish state wish and are able to avoid emulating the "Jewish State" project.

  • Do not turn the Balfour Declaration into a holy Jewish text
    • || JeffB @eljay ... while you enjoy playing the hypocrisy card in this case you are just bald faced lying. ||

      You're a Zionist and - as your numerous and rather verbose posts clearly demonstrate - you're good with Jews doing unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      And I don't expect to see you advocating, justifying or defending acts of injustice and immorality committed by others against Jews.

      So, no, I'm not lying. But perhaps I am wrong about you and you do, in fact, advocate, justify or defend acts of injustice and immorality committed by others against Jews. Shame on you, you anti-Semite.

    • || lyn117: What JeffB is arguing is might makes right ... ||

      ...as long as Jews are doing unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them. Don't expect to see him advocating, justifying or defending acts of injustice and immorality committed by others against Jews.

  • Watch the cathartic Vietnam documentary
    • ... “Can’t imagine the hate the Vietnamese had for us and the French. Can’t imagine living through that shit in any capacity. The USA is a monster with its history dripping in fucking blood.” ...

      Can’t imagine the hate the Palestinians have for us. Can’t imagine living through that shit in any capacity. Israel is a monster with its history dripping in fucking blood.

      Israel and America: An "unbreakable bond" of "shared common values".

  • Liberal Zionist hero Barak brags that Israeli left 'liberated' the occupied territories for Jews
    • || RoHa: What difference does it make whether a Zionist is “leftist” or “rightist”? ||

      I suppose it helps know which Zionists will do the dirty work and which ones will "hold their noses" and cheer.

  • A Jewish atonement for Zionism
    • || JeffB: ... A number 86 tennis player who broke into the top 100 this year is not considered immoral because his breaking in caused the current 101 player to be displaced. ... ||

      Player 86 (Zio Nist) broke into the Top 100 by kneecapping Player 101 (Pal Estine), raping his wife and burning down his house. Yeah, Player 86 is immoral.

      But of course Zio Nist and his friends don't see it that way because he and they believe that Zio Nist is entitled:
      - to be in the Top 100; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality he would not have others do unto him.

    • || Nathan: ... One might get the idea (heaven help us) that the “Jews” are responsible for Zionism ... Why would anyone point a finger at the “bulk of Jews”? ... ||

      Maybe because your fellow Zionists here at MW repeatedly stress the fact that most (the "bulk of") Jews support Zionism.

      Or maybe because of the stirring words of Chief Zionist spokesperson JeffB:

      There is nothing anti-Semitic with blaming Jews for stuff that Jews institutionally support. … Not holding the Jews responsible for Jewish policy on the excuse that “well some Jews didn’t agree” is denying them agency. …

      Also:

      Jews in America have chosen to identify with and institutionally support Israel. While not Israeli, they are cousins. As such they get some degree of collective credit for Israelis achievements and some degree of blame for Israel’s failings.

  • A plea to Israel: Don't start the third Lebanon War
    • || Nathan: eljay – How you understand things is not necessarily how others understand them. ... ||

      No doubt. And how you understand things is not necessarily how others understand them.

      || ... The Palestinians have their own political culture – and even though you support their struggle, their culture is foreign to you (well, it’s not that you support their struggle; rather it’s that you’re anti-Israel – and there’s a difference in the two concepts). ... ||

      I support the Palestinian right to justice, accountability and equality in their actual homeland of geographic Palestine. Their culture does not have to be familiar to me in order for me to support that right.

      || ... I am willing to guess that you don’t read books in Arabic. I would imagine that you might not even recognize your own name in Arabic script. ... ||

      Correct on both counts. So what?

      || ... The acceptance of Israel as final (i.e. end of conflict) is understood by Palestinians as the acceptance of the legitimacy of Zionism ... ||

      I accept that that's your understanding of what "Israel as final" means to all Palestinians.

    • || eljay: ... Not necessarily. It wolA two-state solution could simply mean the acceptance that two states ||

      This is junk* I forgot to delete from my comment before the edit period expired.
      ____________________________
      (*The peanut gallery may argue that every one of my comments is junk that should have been deleted.  :-)  )

    • || Nathan: ... The Palestinians protested the Jewish immigration to Palestine, and therefore the acceptance of the Israeli Jews as equal citizens with the Palestinian Arabs in a single state would be an acceptance of the legitimacy of Zionism. In other words, it would be an admittance that Palestine is the homeland of the Jews as well. ... ||

      It would be an acceptance that Jewish Israelis - but not non-Israeli Jews - are entitled to remain as equals in a single state in geographic Palestine. That does not translate into a validation of any of the evils of Zionism.

      || ... The two-state solution as an end-of-conflict proposal would also mean the acceptance of the legitimacy of Zionism. ... ||

      It would be an acceptance that two states represent the least-costly (lives, money, etc.) way to resolve the conflict. That does not translate into a validation of any of the evils of Zionism.
      Not necessarily. It wolA two-state solution could simply mean the acceptance that two states

    • || DaBakr: ... I know plenty of Israelis who understand our conflict as very complex nuanced and difficult. ... ||

      To outsiders, the rapist's conflict with his victims is pretty black-and-white: Kidnapping, confinement, physical and sexual assault. But to the rapist and his supporters, it's all "very complex nuances" that outsiders will never understand. :-(

    • ... Israel is the colossus of the Middle East. ...

      But only when it's not a tiny nation perpetually on the verge of being wiped off the map and pushed into the sea.

      Israel's status seems to flip-flop between formidable and fragile to suit the need of Zionists.

  • Zohra Drif's memoir of Algeria's fight for freedom is stunning
    • || Jackdaw: ... Thanks for letting us see what the sludge at the bottom of the barrel looks like. We need reminding sometimes. ||

      Reminding? You Zionists wallow in that sludge 24/7!

    • || Jackdaw: ... I’m disgusted. ||

      ...says the "Jewish State" supremacist. Imagine that.

      But I'm all for holding Ms.. Drif - and every Zionist (war) criminal - accountable for her/his respective actions.

      ... She was sentenced to 20 years in prison at hard labor. She served five of them ...

      Looks like she got hers, so it's time for Zionist (war) criminals to get theirs.

    • || Jackdaw: ... Jesus didn’t murder. ||

      Sez you. He - god - did murder a poor fig tree that had never done any harm to anyone.

      But it sounds like you're suggesting that while he didn't murder he would be OK with stealing, occupying, colonizing, oppressing, torturing and killing. Interersting.

    • || Jackdaw: ... Would Jesus have killed those kids?

      Does anyone know the names of the kids Zohra murdered? ||

      Dunno, but God did kill countless children during the Great Flood and then again in Egypt. Does anyone know the names of all the kids God murdered?

    • || Jackdaw: ... Would Jesus have killed those kids? ... ||

      Dunno, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have spent almost 70 years (and counting) stealing, occupying and colonizing geographic Palestine and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians in order to ensure the continued viability of as large as possible a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

  • Seeing 'tranquillity' on West Bank, 'New York Times' whitewashes the occupation
    • || RoHa: ... Canada is also entitled to secure borders. I think the Canadian borders should be along the Rio Grande, and then a line running across to the top of Baja California. That would be shorter and thus much more defensible. ... ||

      Our current border with the U.S. is extremely secure thanks to a continent-spanning glacier topped by a line of igloo outposts manned by reindeer-riding lumberjacks. Eh?

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