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eljay

I'm a happily-married, vegetarian and atheist Canadian with two wonderful cats. :-)

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  • Why a Texas rabbi keeps losing a debate over Israel with a white nationalist leader
    • || hophmi: ... Israel is one of the most diverse societies on the planet, from every possible point of view. ... ||

      Yup, it's so inclusive:
      - it was established and operates as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" - a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews - rather than a secular and democratic Israeli state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally; and
      - it views non-Jews (incl. the non-Jewish refugees it refuses to repatriate) as a "demographic threat".

      But I hear ya: Israel is a "moral beacon" and a "light unto the nation" state that's not as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

    • Mr. Rosenberg's belief in "radical inclusion and love" is similar to the Zio-supremacist belief in "peace": It's great as long as it doesn't affect Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

  • Palestinians in Lebanon remember Palestine
    • Small examples of Zio-supremacism successfully wiping Palestine off the map and pushing it into the sea.  :-(

  • I hereby chuck my right to Jewish national self-determination
    • || RoHa: Eljay, echinococcus, do you mind?

      The Zionists are busy putting together a set of arguments that wil completely destroy my position on self-determination. With all the commas in the right places.

      ... for the sake of my future Buddhahood, give it a rest, guys. Please. ||

      No problem. I'll leave silamcuz echinococcus to his toy hammer and his angry-man word games. He can pretend he won, and you can earn your Buddahood. :-)

    • || echinococcus: ... So lemme see: you have no major problem with the same violence ... ||

      I do have a problem with the same violence. I would like to see no violence. You, on the other hand, seem to relish the thought of violence.

      || ... And of course you again ignored what in my message contradicted your use of the word “expel” and the statement in it of the fact that all the invader riffraff have somewhere to go comfortably enough. ... ||

      You've said you want to expel from geographic (pre-Mandate) Palestine 92-95% of all Jews currently in geographic (pre-Mandate) Palestine. But you haven't said to where you plan to expel them.

      || ... Anyway, now we have your priorities absolutely clear ... ||

      Those appear to be your priorities. They're not mine.

      || ... I am glad to finally having got you to spell out what your ludicrous ‘UN-legalism’, forbidding travel to Palestinians in their own country, was based upon. ||

      I didn't spell anything out - you did.

      You've been hitting yourself on the head much too hard. It's time to put down the plastic hammer.

    • || echinococcus: ... You see your Hollywood-image of “democracy” and “equality” of invader and invadee as being some Holy Cow, to be imposed willy-nilly on those who value their land and customs ... ||

      If you say so.

      || ... I prefer that to a “plebiscite” that involves forcibly: [“Why do you assume things will get done peacefully? I certainly don’t, although it would be nice if things could get done peacefully.” said a certain Eljay, when challenged about his objection to my “forcibly” ... ||

      What of it? I haven't pretended than a transition away from Zio-supremacism and colonialism to secularism and equality will be easy or peaceful.

      || ... So, you will bestow ... ||

      I won't bestow anything on anyone. You keep attributing to me powers of influence I do not have (and which I've never claimed to have).

      || ... driving out of the Levant 92-95% of all Jews currently in it. The “Levant”? We’re talking about Palestine. ... ||

      OK, so you're going to expel 92-95% of all Jews currently in geographic (pre-Mandate) Palestine from there to...where?

      || ... Seeing that you have a magic wand that convinces Zionists to comply ... ||

      There you go again, attributing to me powers I do not possess (and which I've never claimed to possess).

      || ... None of us know for sure the outcome of a plebiscite as none of us know the outcome of all-out regional or world war. ... ||

      Are you sure you don't know? You seem to know everything else.

    • || echinococcus @ December 9, 2016, 12:29 ||

      If transforming Israel from a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" into a secular and democratic Israeli state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally and holding the state and its (war) criminals accountable for their past and on-going (war) crimes is "Geo[r]ge Bush / Samantha Power democracy", then in this instance at least I support "Geo[r]ge Bush / Samantha Power democracy".

      I prefer that to a "plebiscite" that involves forcibly:
      - dismantling the state of Israel; and
      - driving out of the Levant 92-95% of all Jews currently in it.

    • || echinococcus: ... Still typical: you can’t even imagine that justice means restitution of their entire country ... ||

      I can imagine that that's what it means, but I don't know for certain that that's what it means.

      || ... Once they have American-style or Zionist-style “democracy” ... ||

      Why should they have American-style or Zionist-style "democracy"?

      || ... what would they do with their country anyway? ||

      It would be up to the CIERs of each country to do democratically with their respective countries whatever they want.

    • || echinococcus: ... You’re the one who will need a hell of a lot of luck in getting anything done “peacefully” with the Zionists. ... ||

      Why do you assume things will get done peacefully? I certainly don't, although it would be nice if things could get done peacefully.

      || ... But preaching normalization only serves the purpose of trying to keep everyone peaceful with US-imposed “democracy” talk –while the genocide progresses. ... ||

      So stop preaching normalization.

    • || echinococcus: ... Your liberal democracy-exporting enthusiasm is touching, but “justice” sure don’t belong in there for the owners of all Palestine. ... ||

      Not sure why you think they don't deserve justice. Anyway, best of luck with your delusion of forcibly dismantling the state of Israel and driving almost all Jews out of the Levant.

    • || echinococcus: ... The way I describe your stance is that you (as well as a few others on this site) aim to legitimize and “normalize”, as they say, the colonial rape of Palestine on behalf of its invaders ... ||

      You're free to describe it any way you like.

      || ... ordering the Palestinian people, unconsulted as a collective, to “get over it” ... ||

      Yup, I want Palestinians - incl. refugees - to "get over it" by returning to and living in their respective secular and democratic countries (Israel or Palestine) with full and equal rights. Shame on me.

      || ... You do protest –only at its “excesses”, sentencing the owners of Palestine to better camouflaged slavery and US-imposed illegality. ... ||

      I protest the lack of justice, accountability and equality and I want all three applied to I-P. You're free to describe it any way you like.

      The rest of your post is just the sound of you bashing yourself over the head with your plastic hammer. Go easy on yourself.

    • || echinococcus: Hard to get what kind of nationality “bureaucratic nationality” is ... , but even assuming it as meant for “administrative”, the problem becomes obvious ... ||

      No problem. Although the geographic region of Palestine did once exist, for almost 70 years the geographic regions of (Partition-borders (P-b)) Israel and Palestine have existed and the right of self-determination belongs to their respective inhabitants.

      All citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees (CIERs) of P-b Israel must be Israeli and equal, and any preferential immigration to P-b Israel must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from P-b Israel.

      All citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees (CIERs) of P-b Palestine must be Palestinian and equal, and any preferential immigration to P-b Palestine must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from P-b Palestine.

      "Jewish State" - a state of and for all people who undergo a religious conversion to Judaism or are descended from someone who underwent a religious-conversion to Judaism - is a religion-supremacist construct. It has no right to exist.

      || ... It’s not as if you were unaware of the howling illogic of this memorable mental pretzel ... ||

      No illogic. P-b Israel as not-a-"Jewish State" includes its refugees and extends preferential immigration equally to Jews and non-Jews from P-b Israel. All Israelis get to decide Israel's future - that's democracy and self-determination in action. And if that happens to lead to reunification with Palestine, that's also democracy and self-determination in action.

    • || Mayhem @ December 8, 2016, 6:54 am ||

      The right of self-determination belongs to the inhabitants of a geographic region, not to people all over the world - citizens of homelands all over the world - who have embraced the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      If the state is:
      - Palestine, the bureaucratic nationality is Palestinian and preferential immigration must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from the geographic region comprising Palestine.
      - Israel, the bureaucratic nationality is Israeli and preferential immigration must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from the geographic region comprising Israel.
      - "Jewish", the bureaucratic nationality is "Jewish" and preferential immigration must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from the geographic region comprising "Jewish".

      In its current form, "Jewish State" is a religion-supremacist construct primarily of and for people who hold the religion-based identity of "Jewish".

      (It's also a colonialist and (war) criminal enterprise, but we'll set that aside for the moment.)

      Religion-supremacist "Jewish State" has no right to exist. And no-one should be expected or required to recognize or accept the existence of a religion-supremacist - or any other type of supremacist - state.

  • Santa Cruz church becomes first US congregation to boycott HP for role in Israeli occupation
    • || JustJessetr: Has it occured to MW that awareness of Palestinian suffering has been around since ’47, and that not a single thing has been accomplished through boycotts? Not ... one right earned, not one dunam of land returned. ... ||

      There's something truly disturbing about a post that / a person who lauds the persistence of a hateful, immoral and unjust ideology and its oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist construct.

  • It’s junket season again in Massachusetts
    • || hophmi: Why do you think that these trips have an impact? Could it possibly be that the picture of Israel that people like you paint has no relationship to reality? ||

      Exactly the same argument could be made that all-expenses-paid trips to Iran would have an impact because the picture of Iran that people like you paint has no relationship to reality.

      It would be like this - The Truth About Visiting Iran - but even more "impactful".

  • Analyst: Egypt is mending relations with Gaza to hurt Abbas
    • Zio-supremacists have promoted a vision in which a "demographic-threat"-dense Gaza is absorbed into Egypt while a less "demographically threatening" (and much more desirable) West Bank gets absorbed into Israel.

      Egypt's mending of relations with Gaza might hurt Abbas, but it might also successfully bolster and help to realize that Zio-supremacist vision.

  • More than half of US aid 'to entire world' goes to Israel and it ignores our warnings on settlements -- Kerry
    • || Annie Robbins: If it’s a biased and unfair and a resolution calculated to delegitimize Israel, we’ll oppose it.

      and if it’s not biased and unfair? ||

      It's interesting that he's prepared to oppose any "biased and unfair" (whatever that means) resolution that delegitimizes Israel, but he has no problem supporting Israel's self-(self-)delegitimization of itself through (among other things) its:
      - existence as an oppressive, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state;
      - occupation and colonization non-Israeli territory; and
      - refusal to honour its obligations under international law (incl. RoR of refugees).

      It's like:
      - objecting to media reports that condemn the rapist; while, simultaneously,
      - defending the rapist's "right" to "self-determine himself" in his victims.

      Which seems to be the "tone" Zio-supremacists like to hear.

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