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eljay

I'm a happily-married, vegetarian and atheist Canadian with two wonderful cats. :-)

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  • Scenes from a neoconservative meltdown
    • || catalan: ... Annual aid to the Palestinians is about 2 billion. So the impact of your money as a percentage of the total is probably very small, not meaningful. ... ||

      That's a non-answer. You said that one way to help the people of Gaza is to send "a meaningful amount of money to Gaza". How much, in dollars, is a "meaningful amount"?

      || ... That’s my point – an individual person, unless very powerful politically, or very wealthy, has no impact on global affairs. ... ||

      But according to hophmi, individuals here at MW are “complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Syrians”. Is he mistaken? Or do you agree with his assertion?

    • || catalan: ... From the little I know about Hophmi, he is not “complicit” in anything Israel does. He just writes on this blog telling his thoughts. Likewise, you are not “complicit” in any help for the Palestinians, you are just writing thoughts. ... ||

      It's interesting that you don't address hophmi's inflammatory assertion that people here on MW are "complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Syrians" simply for telling their thoughts / writing thoughts.

      || ... If you sent a meaningful amount of money to Gaza, or went to work there as a volunteer, that would be helping. ... ||

      I have donated money to Palestinian causes, but I don't know how much a "meaningful amount" is. Please do tell.

    • || hophmi: More hot air from Mondowhackjobs complicit in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Syrians. ||

      Says the Zionist who - like all Zionists - is complicit in the seemingly endless campaign of (war) crimes committed by his co-collectivists and his "eternal homeland" - the colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State". Good one.

  • Netanyahu ignored US warnings and brought Israel's 'international isolation' on itself -- Ben Rhodes
  • Breaking: UN Security Council passes historic resolution against settlements as two-state solution 'slips away'
    • || Sibiriak @ December 24, 2016, 12:39 am ||

      Thanks for the additional information. I understand now that contrary to the U.N.'s vision of a Free City, Jerusalem exists as a partitioned city with each part legitimately belonging to its occupier who may develop it as he chooses.

    • || Sibiriak @ December 23, 2016, 8:54 pm ||

      Appreciate the info, but it doesn't say that West Jerusalem was ever legally annexed to Israel. According to Wiki*:

      While the international community regards East Jerusalem, including the entire Old City, as part of the occupied Palestinian territories, neither part, West or East Jerusalem, is recognized as part of the territory of Israel or the State of Palestine. Under the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations in 1947, Jerusalem was envisaged to become a corpus separatum administered by the United Nations. In the war of 1948, the western part of the city was occupied by forces of the nascent state of Israel, while the eastern part was occupied by Jordan. The international community largely considers the legal status of Jerusalem to derive from the partition plan, and correspondingly refuses to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the city.

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      *Not a definitive source, I know, but I did a bit of googling and couldn't find any confirmation of legal annexation. Perhaps the legal annexation of territory is irrelevant in international law? I don't know.

    • || hophmi: Oh please. Another anti-Semitic comment here talking about a ‘Jewish putsch.’. Disgusting reminder of how anti-Semitic Mondoweiss is. ... ||

      The fact that no-one but you said "Jewish putsch" is a disgusting reminder of how anti-Semitic you Zionists are for continually conflating Israel with all Jews and all Jews with Israel.

    • || Sibiriak: ... True. Israel can build in West Jerusalem ... ||

      West Jerusalem was legally annexed to Israel? I didn't know that.

    • ... Danon:

      “Who gave you a right to issue such a decree denying our eternal rights to Jerusalem?… Would you ban the French from building in Paris? Would you ban the Russians from building in Moscow?” ...

      Paris belongs to France and Moscow belongs to Russia. Jerusalem does not belong to Israel or to "the Jews". Neither party has "rights" - never mind "eternal rights" - to it.

  • Desperate Netanyahu lectures Obama about US responsibility to veto UN resolution
    • Israel continues to illegally occupy and colonize Palestine. A resolution is proposed which will rightly condemn Israel's on-going occupation and colonization of non-Israeli territory.

      The "Jewish State" defends its blatantly criminal behaviour.

      The U.S. under the administration of Barry "Nobel Peace Price" O. hasn't got the balls to condemn Israel's crimes.

      President-elect Donald "Neutral on I-P" Trump intervenes on behalf of the "Jewish State".

      And Alan Dershowitz farts out of his mouth. Again.

  • 'Friedman is a warm Jew' -- Israelis approve of Trump's ambassador nominee
    • || RobertHenryEller: “Happiness is a Warm Gun.” ||

      And it would seem that Mr. Alon feels that Zionism is a warm Jew.

    • ... “It’s good for America, it’s good for Israel,” Isaac said. “Look at what’s happening at universities around America… just because we love Israel they put us down. ... "

      And no wonder, given that by "love Israel" you mean that you:
      - advocate, justify, support and defend Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - believe you are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality you would not have others do unto you.

  • With US reportedly poised to abstain on U.N. resolution slamming Israel, Egyptians withdraw it under pressure
    • || CigarGod: I wish people would stop repeating the idea that 1948 borders (UN Partition) is some sort of lasting solution. ... ||

      I don't view Partition borders as a lasting solution - I view them as a starting point for negotiations.

    • || hophmi: More like, no issue should get attention except Israel. ||

      Aggressor-victimhood is thankless work. :-(

    • || hophmi: Meanwhile, a genocide is occurring in Syria, but you know, passing another resolution condemning Israeli settlements is clearly more important . . . ||

      Another resolution condemning past and on-going "Jewish State" colonialism is another opportunity for Zionists to tell the U.N. to go f*ck itself. It's odd that you would want to deny deny Zionists that particular satisfaction.

  • Forced existence
    • || Ossinev: ... Danny Danon in today`s NYT ... ||

      ... For Israel, the expectation from the United Nations can be summarized in one word: equality. We want to be treated no different from ...

      ...any other oppressive, belligerent, intransigent, nuclear-armed, (war) criminal and (religion-)supremacist that is intentionally and unapologetically engaged in colonialism and refuses to honour its obligations under international law.

      I agree.

      But what Danon is really asking for is for Israel to be favourably singled out - to be "more equal than others".

  • Hell just froze over: the New York Times runs an article saying Zionism is racist
    • || Sibiriak: ... Have you forgotten that Jewishness is ” fundamentally religion-based “? ... ||

      Nope, I haven't forgotten that IMO Jewish is fundamentally a religion-based identity. But when it suits his needs, hophmi seems conveniently to forget his assertion that Jewish is about much more than just religion.

    • || hophmi: ... Fall away? He renounced his Judaism. He hates the religion. He’s been quite clear about that. There’s nothing for him to fall away from. ... ||

      Nothing except for tribe, culture, ethnicity, people, nation and civilization. Or have you forgotten (again) that Jewish is supposed to be more than just religion?

    • || jon s: As for discussing peace, I’ve recently received a communication from Gershon Baskin, who is apparently relaunching IPCRI :
      http://www.ipcri.org/ ||

      ... IPCRI is devoted to developing practical solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. As we recognize the rights and ambitions of the Jewish and Palestinian peoples to fulfill their national interests of self-determination, we promote the basis of “two states for two peoples” as the framework of a solution. ...

      Also, from Wiki:

      Gershon Baskin ... describes himself as a "left-wing Zionist." ...

      A left-wing Zionist and an organization devoted to Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. No wonder you're so excited about this particular discussion of "peace".

    • || hophmi: ... The frequency with which Shlomo Sand is cited here is an example of confirmation bias. He’s, of course, neither a scholar of religion or a scholar of genetics, but the way he’s cited here would make you think he’s the Albert Einstein of Jewish History. He’s not. But he is an anti-Zionist who renounced his faith, so, of course, he’s everyone’s perfect Mondoweiss Jew. ... ||

      I don't know what a "perfect Mondoweiss Jew" (or a perfect Mondoweiss goy) is or what renouncing one's faith has to do with anything, but if Sand opposes supremacism and advocates justice, accountability and equality IMO he's already a better person than someone who advocates supremacism and opposes justice, accountability and equality.

    • || echinococcus: Eljay,

      However vile the Zionist-pushed islamization of Palestine, there can be no comparison. ... ||

      Not a problem, since I'm not making any comparisons.

    • || jon s: ... I think that there are nearly 200 or so states in the world, most of them nation-states . Why is it ok for all those nations, but not for the Jews to have a nation-state? And even if you say that the Jews are a religion and not a nationality -well , from Morocco to Indonesia, including the Middle East, Muslim-majority states proudly proclaim their Muslim identity, and plenty of countries have a significant Christian component in their identity. Among the nearly 200 states on this planet, there’s room, and justification , for one (1!) small Jewish state, located in part of the Jewish historic homeland. ... ||

      Countries should exist as secular and democratic entities of and for all of their citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally. Preferential immigration should be granted to all people up to n-generations removed from the geographic region belonging to a particular country.

      The "Jewish State" of Israel is a religion-supremacist construct primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews. No state - not even one (1!) - has a right to exist as any form of supremacist state.

    • || jon s: ... Not a word of condemnation for Yonifalic,a despicable murderer of innocent Palestinians. Does he get a pass because he’s at present a despicable Anti-Semite? ... ||

      In my opinion, he - like any other (war) criminal - should get his day in court.

      In your opinion - because you care about "peace" and not justice or accountability - his past is irrelevant.

    • || jon s: ... Is there a difference between having Islam as the official religion and being an Islamic state?
      Seems pretty similar to me. Note also the reference to sharia law. ||

      ... ARTICLE 4
      - Islam is the official religion in Palestine. ...
      - The principles of Islamic Shari’a shall be the main source of legislation. ...

      I see what you see and I object to it. But you're happy to accept it because you can use it to justify "Jewish State" supremacism.

    • || jon s: ... As you may know, I support the two states concept: Israel as a Jewish state and a democracy, with equal rights for all citizens, the Palestinian state as Islamic, or any other definition the Palestinians decide on. ||

      No surprise here: It seems that there's nothing you Zionists won't support as long as it ensures...
      - Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine;
      - absolution of "Jewish State" obligations under international law; and
      - absolution of past and on-going Zionist and "Jewish State" (war) crimes.

    • || jon s: ... Maybe it’s easier for some people to believe all Israelis =evil; all Palestinians= righteous ... ||

      I don't believe it. But I do believe that every Zionist is a hateful and immoral hypocrite who believes that people who choose to be Jewish are entitled:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      || ... Actually, it seems to me that the term , “peace”, is rarely discussed here. ||

      As far as I can tell:
      - Zionist "peace" is rarely discussed here because it flatly rejects the concepts of justice, accountability and equality.
      - Discussions regarding real peace are welcome.

    • She may be a lot of other things, but I don't get the impression that she's a Zionist.

    • || Gumpricht: ... Could you please define Zionism for me as you see it ... ||

      Zionism:

      ... the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel. ...

      IOW, Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      It's seems to be the minimum working definition for every Zionist, from the hardiest "do the dirty work" thug to the daintiest "liberal Zionist".

    • || catalan: ... Seriously though, Israel is not going away. ... ||

      The Middle East isn't going away, either, and neither are the Palestinians...well, not unless Zionists have some sort of genocidal plan to wipe them off the map (and push them into the sea).

      || ... Why not accept that and start visualizing what peace would like? ... ||

      IMO, peace should not look like the Zionist vision of:
      - a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine;
      - absolution of responsibilities under international law and accountability for past and on-going (war) crimes; and
      - Palestinians getting to keep whatever scraps they're thrown.

      Peace should look something like this:
      - Two secular and democratic states of and for their respective citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.
      - Respect for and adherence to / compliance with international laws (incl. RoR of refugees).
      - All (war) criminals held responsible and accountable for their past and on-going (war) crimes.

  • Israel threatens to toss Antony Loewenstein after he asked Lapid question about apartheid
    • kev: I thank you for your understanding, and I am truly sorry to hear that you have suffered.

    • || Elisabeth: I KNOW YOU WANT TO BE THE BOSS??! What?!!
      I thought you were just being insensitive, in your obsessive tales about women being dominated in cellars ... ||

      Not nearly as insensitive as your dismissal of the real suffering of real women as "stuff taken from bad thrillers” and “Cliche’s".

      || ... but with this little gem out of the blue I am finally starting to agree with catalan. ... ||

      So you, too, believe that the evils of Zionism and the "Jewish State" project amount to nothing more than the mild inconvenience of checkpoints. Interesting.

      || ... There seems to be more to this than just male obtuseness: You, apparently, read this whole exchange in terms of who dominates, and you think that that is what it is about. That is pretty disturbing. ||

      And yet you continue to try to dominate me. That is pretty disturbing.

      I'll repeat again what I said earlier: If the powers that be here at MW consider my comparison to be inappropriate or offensive and ask me to stop using it, I will stop using it.

    • || Elisabeth: Eljay, do you realize that a woman is raped every second, and that your rape-in-the-cellar obsession is rare in the EXTREME, and nothing more than that ... ||

      1. You may wish it were my obsession, but it isn't.

      2. I compare Zionism and the "Jewish State" project to that particular scenario because, to my mind, both evils involve power, dominance, control, brutality and a warped sense of entitlement and possession. It's a shame you can't (or prefer not to) see that.

      3. I never claimed that the scenario I use is commonplace. You, on the other hand, shamefully referred to it as "stuff taken from bad thrillers" and "Cliche’s", despite the fact that women do suffer in that manner.

      || ... It may be your personal fantasy ... ||

      You may wish it were my personal fantasy, but it isn't.

      || ... but if I denounce that as not representative of what women really have to deal with, I am being realistic. That is the opposite of belittling what rape is. ... ||

      When you refer to the real suffering of real women as "stuff taken from bad thrillers" and "Cliche’s", you are belittling it and them.

      || ... I think you owe me an apology. ... ||

      I know you owe those women an apology. Show you are an adult, and just say it.

    • || Elisabeth: ... in my experience Mondoweiss comment culture is shamefully macho. ... ||

      I know what you mean. I posted links to real stories about the real suffering of real women and this was your reaction:

      Oh wow eljay, that is sooooo representative of the average rape!

      Shameful indeed.

    • || Elisabeth: I have wondeful idea for you eljay. ... ||

      I doubt it.

      || ... Why don’t you compare Israel’s oppression from now on with a white lynch mob ... ||

      No need - I already have a comparison to use.

      || ... See what I’m getting at? ||

      I think I do see what you're getting at. You feel that the actions of one fictitious "non-average" rapist or one fictitious white supremacist murderer are far more loathsome than seven decades' worth - and counting - of real (war) crimes committed by real Zionists.

      I know you want to be the boss but, like I said before, if the powers that be at MW tell me to stop making the comparison, I will stop making it.

    • || Elisabeth: Oh wow eljay, that is sooooo representative of the average rape! ... ||

      How utterly insensitive of you to belittle "non-average" rapes.

    • || catalan @ December 20, 2016, 10:47 am ||

      1. Since I haven't employed an anthropomorphism, I'm not intellectually lazy. Cool! I accept your compliment. :-)

      2. What really galls you Zionists is seeing your preferred brand of evil openly compared to another brand of evil as it contradicts your portrayals of Zionism and the oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" project as benign and munificent.

    • || Elisabeth: I am getting a bit sick of these repeated women-chained-and-raped-in the-basement comparisons. ... ||

      Just imagine how sick the victims of the repeated (war) crimes of Zionism and the "Jewish State" project must be.

      I'll stop making the comparisons when:
      - the "Jewish State" stops committing the (war) crimes; or
      - the powers that be at MW tell me to stop.

    • || catalan: ... If someone in Palestine is waiting at a checkpoint, that stinks. ... ||

      With just one sentence, you managed to trivialize 70 years and counting of Zionist and "Jewish State" (war) crimes and proportionately to reduce rape to nothing more than fuzzy handcuffs and a gentle spanking.

      Impressive.

      I'm curious to see just how low you can go.

    • || catalan: ... Whatever one may think about the occupation, surely the individual crime of rape should not be trivialized in this fashion. ... ||

      There's nothing remotely trivial about the decades-long and on-going campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder being committed intentionally, unapologetically and with impunity by Zionists and their religion-supremacist "Jewish State" project.

      If anything, the comparison to one rapist's actions trivializes the massive scope and impact of the evils of Zionism. And for that I apologize to Zionism's victims both past and present.

    • Direct question: How can you say you've done nothing wrong when you continue to kidnap women, chain them in your basement and rape them?

      Non-answer: This is post-truth and post-facts. These women try to kill me, they spit at me, they call me names. I am not a hater of women - I am a law-abiding citizen. Go visit the serial killer and talk to him and see how safe you feel there.

      The "Jewish State": A "moral beacon" and "light unto the nations" state that's not quite as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

  • Historical evidence does not support Zionist claims re the Western Wall
    • || mcohen.: ... somehow this idea that jews had fought there way through jerusalem to cature the wailing wall has always stayed with me.the whole idea that judaism is part of this ongoing battle to maintain a presense and allow jews free access is a powerful emotion. ... ||

      Tarting up decades' worth - and counting - of oppression, colonialism, supremacism and (war) crimes might make the pig more appealing...but it still just a pig.

    • || jon s: yonah, ” jonah he lived in a whale”- that’s the porgy and bess version. In the bible Jonah was swallowed by a fish. ||

      Jonah, Book of

      ... Jonah himself is swallowed by a great fish, from inside of which he prays to YHWH, and after three days and nights in the fish's belly he is spewed out on dry land ...

      Three days and nights - alive and praying - in the belly of a great fish: That sounds a lot like "lived in a whale".

    • || mcohen.: ... what concerns me is this constant attempt by israels enemies to deny judaisms link to jerusalem. ... ||

      Judaism has a link to Jerusalem. Zionists intentionally and fraudulently extrapolate from this link a "right"...
      - of people with the religion-based identity of "Jewish"; and/or
      - of the religion-supremacist "Jewish State"
      ...to occupy and colonize Jerusalem.

    • || mcohen.: ... Jerusalem is the capital of israel.until that right is recognised there will be no peace. ||

      There is no "right" to recognize. Jerusalem is a Free City currently under military occupation and colonization by the "Jewish State" of Israel. Jerusalem does not belong to Israel or to Jews.

  • Friedman pick will force good liberal Zionists to admit the peace process has failed
    • || James Canning: Should one assume David Friedman will encourage Israel to “annex”, illegally, more areas of the occupied West Bank? ... ||

      "Annex" is such an ugly - and perhaps even anti-Semitic - word. Mr. Friedman is more likely to suggest that Israel should "reclaim" its "historical lands" so that Jewish people the world over can "return" to their "ancient homeland".

    • || Mooser: “eljay” it is something common to all of them: “Yonah” can imagine anything, even the most improbable Israeli turn-arounds, anything, but he can never, ever, imagine that Israel will be forced to do anything, or will even have to play by any other rules than its own. ||

      Zionists seem to think they can stroke Captain Israel for a Thousand Years, but the "self-determination" box of Kleenex will be used up long before then.

    • || yonah fredman: For me, the end of the two state solution looks like this: I advocate Israel annex the West Bank and offer Israeli citizenship to the Palestinians who live in the West Bank. ||

      For me, the end of a two-state solution looks like this:

      All of (Mandate) Palestine becomes a single secular and democratic state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally. No "Jewish and democratic", no "Arab / Muslim state".

      Preferential immigration rights are granted to all people up to n-generations removed from (Mandate) Palestine. No special "Laws of Return" for Jewish or non-Jewish people with no tangible ties to the region.

  • My evenings with emissaries from Modi'in and Bil'in
    • A Zionist is a Jew who gives money to another Jew, to send a third Jew to Palestine. — attributed to Shmaryahu Levin

      A Zionist is any person who believes that people who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish are entitled:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

  • Adelson and Saban were kingmakers, now they're beggars
  • Trump pick for ambassador to Israel supports Israeli annexation of West Bank and calls liberal Jews 'kapos' (Updated)
    • || hophmi: Surprising to see Mondoweiss reject such a firm believer in the one-state solution. ||

      Really? When has MW ever endorsed a one religion-supremacist "Jewish State" solution?

  • Trump has a 'magic moment' in June 2017 to move the US embassy to Jerusalem, Israel lobbyist tells NY synagogue
    • || @aB: nobody that I am aware of in israel or the US is discussing any plans to build or move an embassy to any part of jerusalem on the east side of the green line. it would be in ‘west’ jerusalem . typical israeli/jew/zionist hating hysteria. ||

      "'west' jerusalem" is not a legitimate part of (Partition-borders) Israel. Typical hateful / immoral / (war) criminal Zio-supremacist bullshit.

  • Site being considered for US embassy in Jerusalem is stolen Palestinian private property
    • Any moment now - maybe even before Zio-supremacists get around to explaining to RoHa "their arguments about the right of nations to self-determination" - Trump's neutrality will kick in and he'll put a stop to this nonsense.

      Any moment now...

  • Stephen Cohen calls out liberal media for demonizing Russia, slurring Tillerson and stigmatizing all dissent
  • Azaria's conviction will end a totalitarian ideology
  • Life in six words
  • Theresa May adopts a definition of anti-Semitism that demonizes Israel's critics
    • || Jon66: ... I understand why a Palestinian would hate a Zionist. I understand why a woman abused by her husband would hate him. But for the Palestinian to hate all Jews or the woman to hate all men would display a narrow mindedness and lack of understanding. I would tell that woman, and I have, that obviously not all men behave that way and people should be judged by their actions not their sex. ||

      If rapists and wife-beaters claimed to act on behalf of all men and most men - including you - openly supported the "right" of rapists and wife-beaters to "self-determine", your explanation to that "narrow-minded" woman would ring pretty hollow.

      "Narrow-minded" Palestinians must hear a similarly hollow ring when they are told they shouldn't hate all Jews even as a "Jewish State"...
      - which routinely proclaims that it exists, speaks for and acts on behalf of all Jewish people in the world; and
      - which (according to the Zionists here on MW) is openly supported by most Jewish people in the world,
      ...continues intentionally, unapologetically and with impunity to steal, occupy and colonize their lands; to commit (war) crimes against them; and to deny them their (human) rights.

    • || Jon66: ... If irrational hatred of all Jews for the action of some Jews is anti-Semitism or bigotry or whatever you want to call it and the hatred of all Jews for the actions of Zionism is irrational, than isn’t the hatred of all Jews for the actions of Zionism anti-semitism or bigotry or whatever. We can search for excuses for why some people hate others unfairly, but I think it’s better to condemn the hate. ||

      So...as long as people condemn irrational hatred against all Muslims, it's acceptable for Muslims to support Islamic State. Interesting.

    • || Jon66: ... I’m saying you can’t hate Jews for the actions of the Israeli govt ... I disagree that Zionism has given anyone a reason to hate Jews. ... a “reason” means that there is a rational explanation for it. ... ||

      A reason is a justification. It does not have to be a rational explanation.

      And while I agree that the actions of the Israeli government are not a valid or rational reason for anyone to hate all Jews, you're wrong to suggest that Zionism hasn't done its very best to provide a reason (a justification) for some people to hate Jews.

      Among other things:
      - Zionism routinely declares Israel to be a "Jewish State" and conflates the "Jewish State" with all Jewish people in the world.
      - The "Jewish State" routinely claims to exist, to speak and to act on behalf of and for the benefit of all Jewish people in the world.
      - Even as the "Jewish State" continues intentionally and unapologetically to commit (war) crimes, Zionists reinforce the conflation of the "Jewish State" with all Jewish people in the world and insist that all Jewish people in the world must provide unquestioning support to the "Jewish State".
      - And, last but not least, Zionists ensure that any valid criticism of Israeli (war) crimes is firmly conflated with criticism of Jews and the "Jewish State". They make damned sure to keep it tied to and all about Jews.

    • || Jon66: ... That makes as much sense as: Traditional Islamophobia had no foundation. Islamic fundamentalism gives people a reason to hate Muslims. ... ||

      Does Islamic fundamentalism claim to speak and act on behalf of all Muslims the way Zionism claims to speak and act on behalf of all Jews? If 'yes', your analogy makes as much sense.

      (But the hatred is misplaced in either case, IMO.)

      || ... If you are looking for it, you can always find an excuse to hate some group. How about judging people by their actions, not their religion or ethnicity. ||

      Or their opposition to (war) criminal behaviour. Zio-supremacists and Islamic fundamentalists should heed this advice.

    • || Sibiriak: ... you yourself have stated that if Israel’s Jewish-majority granted equality to non-Jews, Israel could be a “culturally Jewish” state while ceasing to be a “supremacist” Jewish state. ||

      IMO, an Israel with full equality for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees - and no different or special rights for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews - would not be a supremacist "Jewish State", but it certainly could be culturally Jewish (for an undetermined span of time, anyway).

    • –Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

      If the accusation is falsely made, that's anti-Semitic. If it isn't falsely made, it's not anti-Semitic.

      – Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

      People who wish to be Jewish should have a right to self-determine as Jewish. That right of self-determination does not comprise a "right" to an oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and/or religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

      – Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

      Makes sense. And this is why expecting Israel...
      - not to exist as a supremacist state of any kind;
      - not to engage in oppression and colonialism;
      - to respect and uphold international laws;
      - to honour its obligations under international law; and
      ...is not anti-Semitic.

      – Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

      Israelis should be characterized as Israelis and Israel should be characterized as the nation state of and for all Israelis. Zio-supremacists keep characterizing Israel and Israelis and being all about Jews. That smacks of both anti-Semitism and bigotry against non-Jewish Israelis.

      – Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

      This should only be considered anti-Semitic if no other nation's policies are compared to Nazism. Don't want to be "singling out" Israel, right?

      – Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

      Makes perfect sense. It's strange, then, that Zio-supremacist JeffB would make that very assertion here on MW and even stranger that his co-collectivists were extremely reluctant to take him to task for having made it.

  • Barghouti warns Trump that moving embassy to Jerusalem would be shocking violation of int'l law
  • 44% of Israelis support annexing West Bank; half of those favoring annexation think Palestinians shouldn't be given equal rights
    • ... As the authors summarized it, this means that “a small but significant minority of the Jewish public supports a situation that the international community regards as apartheid.” ...

      According to Zio-supremacists, most of the world's Jews support:
      - Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish state" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - the "right" of Jews to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      (They refer to this "self-determination".)

      It should come as no surprise, then, that "a small but significant minority of the Jewish public" also supports apartheid.

  • Israel lobby resorting to censorship and blacklisting as it loses control of mainstream discourse
    • || Jerry J: ... What about an end to oppression against sexual orientation? Oh, I forgot . . . gays are discriminated against in Palestine…… ||

      That's unjust and immoral and should be condemned. I condemn it. It's interesting how you Zio-supremacists look to the worst in human behaviour for guidance and/or for justification of your own acts of injustice and immorality.

  • On '60 Minutes,' Stahl is positive about BDS and suggests Netanyahu is anti-American
    • || hophmi: Did you ever think that maybe the pessimists have a habit of being wrong about Israel? No one would have predicted that it would become one of the most diverse states on Earth, a first world country that leads the world in everything from tech to art. ... ||

      No-one would have predicted that a country so openly and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist would receive decades worth of unquestioning economic, military, financial and political support from the U.S. and other Western nations.

      It's amusing to see you praising Israel as "one of the most diverse states on Earth, a first world country", knowing that it won't be long before you're defending Israel by pointing out that it's not quite as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes". :-)

    • Interviewer: What about the quality of your victims' lives? You know, it's been 50 months since what people call "the kidnappings". You still have chains. The women are routinely searched. Security cameras everywhere in their lives.

      Rapist: Actually, I've removed quite a few of the cameras and I've lengthened the chains so that the women can have freer movement. These women know - they look at places better...I mean, worse than the basement they're chained in - and they know that my intention is co-existence.

      Interviewer: You're losing support in the community.

      Rapist: Nah, people are coming around and it's a fantastic change.

      Interviewer: Not in the community.

      Rapist: Well, they're coming around, too.

      Interviewer: They call you a rapist.

      Rapist: Well, they call me a lot of things, but they're coming around.

  • Unsettle Zionism, champion humanity
    • || @ak: ... your use of the adverb ‘vitriol’ is very different then the authors use of the preposition ‘without’ vitriol and the verb ‘exposes’ toxic. ... ||

      In both cases, vitriol was used as a noun.

      || ... try and imagine a simpler example:

      Without any evil intent the author exposes evil intent of ________. ... ||

      What you've imagined is an intentionally distorted example.

      The simpler example would be: Without viciousness or hostility, the author sheds light on the poisonous brew of theology and politics.

      The oxymoron exists only in your fevered, Zio-supremacist imagination.

    • || @kr: The fourth paragraph has a rather humorous but telling oxymoron. “Absent vitriol……..exposes toxic alchemy…” ... ||

      So...theology and politics aren't a toxic alchemy? Or is it only vitriol when the "Jewish State's" toxic alchemy is exposed?

      || ... MW is one of the best sources for Israeli focused hypocrisy on the web ... ||

      Yeah, but you Zio-supremacists are by far the best source for Israeli-focused hypocrisy...and not just on the web.

  • 'Love thy neighbor as thyself' -- Really?
    • || RoHa: ... I’ve even been known to make snide remarks about Canadians. ||

      Which goes to show that even you are fallible. :-)

    • || RoHa: Another reason to hate the Aztecs. ||

      So you're anti-Aztecic? Or are you right to hate the Aztecs for being presciently anti-Semitic?

    • || @Da: ... Israel is already a multicutural , multireligious, sexually tolerant society ... ||

      And it's also an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist, belligerent, intransigent, nuclear-armed, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.

      Which is why Zio-supremacists routinely:
      - praise Israel as a "moral beacon", a "Western-style democracy" and a "light unto the nations"; and
      - defend Israel by pointing out that it's not quite as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

  • Why a Texas rabbi keeps losing a debate over Israel with a white nationalist leader
    • || @aBr: ... obsessed with their need to prove the illigitimacy of the state of israel ... ||

      Israel exists. Religion-supremacist "Jewish State" is illegitimate.

      || ... as well as their need to discredit any jewish connection ... ||

      Jews and non-Jews living in and up to n-generations removed from the geographic region of Palestine have a connection to it. Beyond that, it's fairy tale shit, the stuff you Zio-supremacists specialize in.

      || ... this one modern and very successful nation ... ||

      Thanks in (great?) part to enormous amounts of American (and Western) economic, political, financial and military support.

      || ... that is Jewish ... ||

      ...and unapologetically colonialist, belligerent, intransigent, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist.

      I know, I know: It's a "moral beacon" and a "light unto the nations" but, hey, it's not as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

    • || hophmi: ... Israel is one of the most diverse societies on the planet, from every possible point of view. ... ||

      Yup, it's so inclusive:
      - it was established and operates as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" - a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews - rather than a secular and democratic Israeli state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally; and
      - it views non-Jews (incl. the non-Jewish refugees it refuses to repatriate) as a "demographic threat".

      But I hear ya: Israel is a "moral beacon" and a "light unto the nation" state that's not as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

    • Mr. Rosenberg's belief in "radical inclusion and love" is similar to the Zio-supremacist belief in "peace": It's great as long as it doesn't affect Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

  • 'NYT' bias amazes: long article about online incitement in Israel/Palestine only blames Palestinians
    • || Maghlawatan: Dabakr Shaked has all the sex appeal of a brainwashed Nazi ||

      Not sure how much that is, but I find her easy on the eyes.  :-)  It's a shame that beneath the prettiness lies such hateful and immoral ugliness.

    • || @Br: ... Odd thing, human nature. ||

      I agree. The aggressor-victimhood ("shoot and cry") mentality of Zio-supremacists and like-minded people - who are willing, able and even eager to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them - is quite perplexing.

  • Palestinians in Lebanon remember Palestine
    • Small examples of Zio-supremacism successfully wiping Palestine off the map and pushing it into the sea.  :-(

  • I hereby chuck my right to Jewish national self-determination
    • || yonah fredman: ... I spoke to an armenian 70 years after his shoah and I saw him grope for a reaction. I’ve seen little kids orphaned by the pol pot auto genocide. It’s really a shit load of shit. ... ||

      No doubt. But I don't see how being horribly abused as a child entitles a man to to kidnap women, chain them in his basement and "self-determine" himself in them. Not only is he doing unto others acts of injustice and immorality he would not have others do unto him, he can't even justify his evil as retribution because his victims are not to blame for his past suffering.

    • || RoHa: Eljay, echinococcus, do you mind?

      The Zionists are busy putting together a set of arguments that wil completely destroy my position on self-determination. With all the commas in the right places.

      ... for the sake of my future Buddhahood, give it a rest, guys. Please. ||

      No problem. I'll leave silamcuz echinococcus to his toy hammer and his angry-man word games. He can pretend he won, and you can earn your Buddahood. :-)

    • || echinococcus: ... So lemme see: you have no major problem with the same violence ... ||

      I do have a problem with the same violence. I would like to see no violence. You, on the other hand, seem to relish the thought of violence.

      || ... And of course you again ignored what in my message contradicted your use of the word “expel” and the statement in it of the fact that all the invader riffraff have somewhere to go comfortably enough. ... ||

      You've said you want to expel from geographic (pre-Mandate) Palestine 92-95% of all Jews currently in geographic (pre-Mandate) Palestine. But you haven't said to where you plan to expel them.

      || ... Anyway, now we have your priorities absolutely clear ... ||

      Those appear to be your priorities. They're not mine.

      || ... I am glad to finally having got you to spell out what your ludicrous ‘UN-legalism’, forbidding travel to Palestinians in their own country, was based upon. ||

      I didn't spell anything out - you did.

      You've been hitting yourself on the head much too hard. It's time to put down the plastic hammer.

    • || echinococcus: ... You see your Hollywood-image of “democracy” and “equality” of invader and invadee as being some Holy Cow, to be imposed willy-nilly on those who value their land and customs ... ||

      If you say so.

      || ... I prefer that to a “plebiscite” that involves forcibly: [“Why do you assume things will get done peacefully? I certainly don’t, although it would be nice if things could get done peacefully.” said a certain Eljay, when challenged about his objection to my “forcibly” ... ||

      What of it? I haven't pretended than a transition away from Zio-supremacism and colonialism to secularism and equality will be easy or peaceful.

      || ... So, you will bestow ... ||

      I won't bestow anything on anyone. You keep attributing to me powers of influence I do not have (and which I've never claimed to have).

      || ... driving out of the Levant 92-95% of all Jews currently in it. The “Levant”? We’re talking about Palestine. ... ||

      OK, so you're going to expel 92-95% of all Jews currently in geographic (pre-Mandate) Palestine from there to...where?

      || ... Seeing that you have a magic wand that convinces Zionists to comply ... ||

      There you go again, attributing to me powers I do not possess (and which I've never claimed to possess).

      || ... None of us know for sure the outcome of a plebiscite as none of us know the outcome of all-out regional or world war. ... ||

      Are you sure you don't know? You seem to know everything else.

    • || echinococcus @ December 9, 2016, 12:29 ||

      If transforming Israel from a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" into a secular and democratic Israeli state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally and holding the state and its (war) criminals accountable for their past and on-going (war) crimes is "Geo[r]ge Bush / Samantha Power democracy", then in this instance at least I support "Geo[r]ge Bush / Samantha Power democracy".

      I prefer that to a "plebiscite" that involves forcibly:
      - dismantling the state of Israel; and
      - driving out of the Levant 92-95% of all Jews currently in it.

    • || echinococcus: ... Still typical: you can’t even imagine that justice means restitution of their entire country ... ||

      I can imagine that that's what it means, but I don't know for certain that that's what it means.

      || ... Once they have American-style or Zionist-style “democracy” ... ||

      Why should they have American-style or Zionist-style "democracy"?

      || ... what would they do with their country anyway? ||

      It would be up to the CIERs of each country to do democratically with their respective countries whatever they want.

    • || echinococcus: ... You’re the one who will need a hell of a lot of luck in getting anything done “peacefully” with the Zionists. ... ||

      Why do you assume things will get done peacefully? I certainly don't, although it would be nice if things could get done peacefully.

      || ... But preaching normalization only serves the purpose of trying to keep everyone peaceful with US-imposed “democracy” talk –while the genocide progresses. ... ||

      So stop preaching normalization.

    • || echinococcus: ... Your liberal democracy-exporting enthusiasm is touching, but “justice” sure don’t belong in there for the owners of all Palestine. ... ||

      Not sure why you think they don't deserve justice. Anyway, best of luck with your delusion of forcibly dismantling the state of Israel and driving almost all Jews out of the Levant.

    • || echinococcus: ... The way I describe your stance is that you (as well as a few others on this site) aim to legitimize and “normalize”, as they say, the colonial rape of Palestine on behalf of its invaders ... ||

      You're free to describe it any way you like.

      || ... ordering the Palestinian people, unconsulted as a collective, to “get over it” ... ||

      Yup, I want Palestinians - incl. refugees - to "get over it" by returning to and living in their respective secular and democratic countries (Israel or Palestine) with full and equal rights. Shame on me.

      || ... You do protest –only at its “excesses”, sentencing the owners of Palestine to better camouflaged slavery and US-imposed illegality. ... ||

      I protest the lack of justice, accountability and equality and I want all three applied to I-P. You're free to describe it any way you like.

      The rest of your post is just the sound of you bashing yourself over the head with your plastic hammer. Go easy on yourself.

    • || echinococcus: Hard to get what kind of nationality “bureaucratic nationality” is ... , but even assuming it as meant for “administrative”, the problem becomes obvious ... ||

      No problem. Although the geographic region of Palestine did once exist, for almost 70 years the geographic regions of (Partition-borders (P-b)) Israel and Palestine have existed and the right of self-determination belongs to their respective inhabitants.

      All citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees (CIERs) of P-b Israel must be Israeli and equal, and any preferential immigration to P-b Israel must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from P-b Israel.

      All citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees (CIERs) of P-b Palestine must be Palestinian and equal, and any preferential immigration to P-b Palestine must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from P-b Palestine.

      "Jewish State" - a state of and for all people who undergo a religious conversion to Judaism or are descended from someone who underwent a religious-conversion to Judaism - is a religion-supremacist construct. It has no right to exist.

      || ... It’s not as if you were unaware of the howling illogic of this memorable mental pretzel ... ||

      No illogic. P-b Israel as not-a-"Jewish State" includes its refugees and extends preferential immigration equally to Jews and non-Jews from P-b Israel. All Israelis get to decide Israel's future - that's democracy and self-determination in action. And if that happens to lead to reunification with Palestine, that's also democracy and self-determination in action.

    • || Mayhem @ December 8, 2016, 6:54 am ||

      The right of self-determination belongs to the inhabitants of a geographic region, not to people all over the world - citizens of homelands all over the world - who have embraced the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      If the state is:
      - Palestine, the bureaucratic nationality is Palestinian and preferential immigration must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from the geographic region comprising Palestine.
      - Israel, the bureaucratic nationality is Israeli and preferential immigration must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from the geographic region comprising Israel.
      - "Jewish", the bureaucratic nationality is "Jewish" and preferential immigration must be granted equally to all people up to n-generations removed from the geographic region comprising "Jewish".

      In its current form, "Jewish State" is a religion-supremacist construct primarily of and for people who hold the religion-based identity of "Jewish".

      (It's also a colonialist and (war) criminal enterprise, but we'll set that aside for the moment.)

      Religion-supremacist "Jewish State" has no right to exist. And no-one should be expected or required to recognize or accept the existence of a religion-supremacist - or any other type of supremacist - state.

  • Santa Cruz church becomes first US congregation to boycott HP for role in Israeli occupation
    • || JustJessetr: Well, since everyone is shifting around in their seats uncomfortably ... ||

      I'm not uncomfortable. I just find thoroughly dismal the pride you (and your Zio-supremacist co-collectivists) take in the success of a (Western-enabled) hateful and immoral ideology and its oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist construct.

      But, hey, you did throw some clean underwear and a new t-shirt to the victim chained in the rapist's basement. The next time he's self-determining himself in her, you can feel good that you did "100% more than any of you" men-bashers (at heart) who demanded that laws be upheld, that the victim be freed and that the rapist be arrested, brought to justice and held accountable for his past and on-going crimes.

    • || JustJessetr: Has it occured to MW that awareness of Palestinian suffering has been around since ’47, and that not a single thing has been accomplished through boycotts? Not ... one right earned, not one dunam of land returned. ... ||

      There's something truly disturbing about a post that / a person who lauds the persistence of a hateful, immoral and unjust ideology and its oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist construct.

  • It’s junket season again in Massachusetts
    • || hophmi: Why do you think that these trips have an impact? Could it possibly be that the picture of Israel that people like you paint has no relationship to reality? ||

      Exactly the same argument could be made that all-expenses-paid trips to Iran would have an impact because the picture of Iran that people like you paint has no relationship to reality.

      It would be like this - The Truth About Visiting Iran - but even more "impactful".

  • Analyst: Egypt is mending relations with Gaza to hurt Abbas
    • Zio-supremacists have promoted a vision in which a "demographic-threat"-dense Gaza is absorbed into Egypt while a less "demographically threatening" (and much more desirable) West Bank gets absorbed into Israel.

      Egypt's mending of relations with Gaza might hurt Abbas, but it might also successfully bolster and help to realize that Zio-supremacist vision.

  • More than half of US aid 'to entire world' goes to Israel and it ignores our warnings on settlements -- Kerry
    • || Annie Robbins: If it’s a biased and unfair and a resolution calculated to delegitimize Israel, we’ll oppose it.

      and if it’s not biased and unfair? ||

      It's interesting that he's prepared to oppose any "biased and unfair" (whatever that means) resolution that delegitimizes Israel, but he has no problem supporting Israel's self-(self-)delegitimization of itself through (among other things) its:
      - existence as an oppressive, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state;
      - occupation and colonization non-Israeli territory; and
      - refusal to honour its obligations under international law (incl. RoR of refugees).

      It's like:
      - objecting to media reports that condemn the rapist; while, simultaneously,
      - defending the rapist's "right" to "self-determine himself" in his victims.

      Which seems to be the "tone" Zio-supremacists like to hear.

  • Obama would have overwhelming support from US public to allow UN establishment of Palestinian state
    • || Maghlawatan: http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/03/25/empty-words-2/ ... ||

      ... [Obama] went to great lengths to convey his deep affection and regard for Israel and his commitment to Zionism. He told Israelis that the U.S.-Israel relationship was "eternal" ...

      Obama also offered rhetorical support for Palestinian aspirations ... He spoke openly of their "right to self-determination and justice" and invited his Israeli listeners "to look at the world through their eyes." He also told them "neither occupation nor expulsion is the answer" and said "Palestinians have a right to be a free people in their own land." He reiterated his call for direct negotiations — though he no longer suggests that Israel stop building more settlements — and he called upon his youthful audience to "create the change that you want to see." ...

      Barry "Nobel Peace Prize" O. tells the rapist that captivity is not the answer and that both he and the woman chained in his basement are entitled to live free and productive lives in a just and moral world. Then he winks at the rapist, gives him a friendly slap on the back, says Mum's the word! and asks him for another beer.

  • US Senate quickly passed the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act
    • || Mooser: ... Israel’s “right to exist” always translates into an obligation of unconditional support. ... ||

      Of course. That's because: ("world's only Jewish state" + "moral beacon") x ("Jewish and democratic" + "shared common values") = "no light between"

      Negative values (oppressive, colonialist, belligerent, intransigent, (war) criminal, supremacist ) are not factored into the equation.

    • || RoHa: Noooooooooo! ||

      Sorry, Darth. :-(

    • || Philemon: Okay, but what are the penalties, really? I doubt they’re as much fun as re-education camp with Roha, eljay, and echi. ... ||

      echinococcus will be forced to state repeatedly that he accepts the existence of Israel within its / Partition borders.

      I will be lectured incessantly by a Zionist on how Jewish is more than just religion...except for when it's not...which it always is...except for when it isn't...

      RoHa will suffer the worst fate: He will be subjected, to countless misplaced comma's and similar grammerical abuses.   :-(

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