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eljay

I'm a happily-married, vegetarian and atheist Canadian with two wonderful cats. :-)

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  • Trump warns annexation of West Bank will cause 'immediate crisis' between US and Israel - Lieberman
    • US warning to Israel signals new backpedaling by Trump:

      ... Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked, who supports a partial annexation of the West Bank, said she was unaware of any controversy with the Trump administration and that Israel in any case is free to do as it sees fit.

      "We are not a banana republic. We are an independent and sovereign state," she told Israel's Army Radio station. "There is a supportive administration in the United States. That administration needs to back up the state of Israel and the government's policy." ...

      It's so cute how Ms. Shaked assumes an air of bravado and then, in the same paragraph, undermines it. :-)

      What will your banana cherry-tomato republic do if the U.S. dog does not respond to the wag of the "Jewish State's" tail, Ms. Shaked?

  • All Palestinians can become Israeli citizens, but they can't vote, says lawmaker in Netanyahu's party
    • || Kaisa of Finland: ... The most undemocratic democracy in the world ... ||

      To a Zionist, that makes perfect sense:
      - The boast: Israel is a "moral beacon", a "light unto the nations" and a "Western-style democracy".
      - The defence: Israel is not as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

    • || Kaisa of Finland: ... And the Gaza citizens?? Would they, as the citizens of Israel ... ||

      Zionists don't seem to want Gaza as part of Israel. It contains too many additional "threatening demographics" (i.e., non-Jews). It seems they're content to leave Gaza to Egypt or to have it set aside as a "Palestinian State" into which they can justify offloading unwanted Palestinians (such as non-Jewish Israeli refugees and "troublesome" non-Jewish Israelis).

    • A Zionist believes that Israel should continue to exist as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State". What a surprise.

  • A Palestinian state has always been a fiction for Zionists
    • || aloeste: yawn. will see on 28 iyar , 2067 for the 100th anniversary celebration of liberated jerusalem…. ||

      Where "liberated" = "militarily occupied and colonized by the religion-supremacist 'Jewish State' of Israel". You Zionists have a strange way with words.

      Anyway, it's a shame you won't be around to celebrate the 1000th anniversary of the "Jewish State". I'm sure it'll be a swell party.

  • Character assassination as a tool to silence a Palestinian activist
  • Israel's neverending occupation is bringing 'infamy' to Jews worldwide, making Jewish life 'precarious' -- Tony Klug
    • || hophmi: Acts of terrorism are bringing “infamy” to Muslims worldwide and making Muslim life “precarious” said no one in recent memory without being accused of Islamophobia here. ||

      Meanwhile, in this thread JeffB re-affirms his anti-Semitic belief that all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews and, once again, his Zionist co-collectivists give him a free pass.

  • Wave of bomb threats renews charge that anti-Semitism is fueled by BDS
    • ... “Today it is accepted to say I am anti-Jewish,” said Hoenlein ... And one of the reasons why it’s acceptable to be anti-Semitic, Hoenlein added, is BDS, which has provided a “cover for anti-Semitism.” ...

      This is news to me. As far as I know, it still is not acceptable for one to say he is anti-Jewish or for one to be anti-Semitic. And that's a good thing.

      But it is - and it should be - perfectly acceptable to be anti-military occupation, anti-colonialism, anti-(war) crimes and anti-supremacism.

      If Zionists find too stressful the backlash against the evils they deliberately and unapologetically advocate, commit and/or defend, perhaps they should stop advocating, committing and/or defending those evils.

  • Finders Keepers in the Holy Land: So who was there first?
    • || yonah fredman: ... Nonetheless to pretend that such a concept as a Jewish face does not exist because of these above reasons is frivolous. It is precisely to deny the existence of a Jewish ethnic reality. ... ||

      A "Homosexual ethnic reality" based on the fact that a subset of homosexuals look gay does not constitute an entitlement to a sexual orientation-supremacist "Homosexual State". Similarly, a "Jewish ethnic reality" based on the fact that a subset of Jewish people look Jewish does not constitute an entitlement to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

    • || Boris: People do say that someone looks like a Scandinavian or a Native American. No one says that someone looks like a Catholic or a Protestant. ... ||

      But they do say that someone looks like a Muslim. Go figure.

    • || Boris: ... That’s why some here call me Hittite prince, although I’ve been a King for long time. ||

      Where's your crown, King Nothing?

    • || Boris: @eljay

      Just imagine for a moment that Cherokees have got enough power to return to their ancestral lands. I think not all Georgian peanut farmers would be happy. ||

      Just as Zionists will not be happy when Palestinians return to their ancestral lands. But don't worry: Ukrainians will be happy to see you - a native son - back in your ancestral homeland.

    • || Booris: Moser, We all have our own life experiences. My experience is that Ukrainian and Russian anti-Semites could easily identify me as a Jew, although I don’t wear any special clothes. Just by looking at my face. ||

      It's odd that they wouldn't identify you as a Hittite prince. Regardless, the unjust and immoral actions of anti-Semites do not justify the acts of injustice and immorality you and your fellow Zionists have advocated / committed / supported and continue to advocate / commit / support in the name of Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

    • || Boris: Because it is our ancestral land. ... ||

      If you're more than n-generations removed from geographic Palestine, it's not your ancestral land. From what you've said so far, your ancestral land is Ukraine. Stop hating your homeland.

    • || Boris: ... I am an atheist. ... ||

      That's nice. So am I. :-)

      || ... Now, some of you may argue that I am not a Jew. Well, my Soviet passport said that I was. Why? Because both of my parents were Jewish. And so were their parents. ... ||

      I won't argue that you're not a Jew. You are descended from someone who...
      - underwent a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism,
      ...and you've chosen to retain that identity. So you're a Jewish Ukrainian person.

      || ... I have a Jewish face ... ||

      And I have a really big nose. We all have our crosses to bear. ;-)

      || ... We and our children most definitely have a moral right to settle there. ... ||

      No, you don't. The indigenous population of a geographic region - and people up to n-generations removed from it - have a right to settle there. The religion-based identity of Jewish - even if it's held by some guy in Ukraine - is not a license to steal, occupy and colonize geographic Palestine. Ancient claims to a geographic region are not a license to steal, occupy and colonize that geographic region.

      || ... Now, talk among yourselves… ||

      Now mutter to yourself some more, Hittite prince.

    • || Mooser: ... I want to know how Israel is going to expand from 2 to 7 billion. ||

      No hurry - Israel still has ~930 years to meet its target.

    • || Boris: Jews are one of the most ancient people. If not for forced assimilation and genocide we would have been as numerous as Chinese. ... ||

      Amalekites are even more ancient. If not for their total annihilation by Jews, they would have been as numerous as Chinese.

      || ... However, now, with strong Israel this process will be reversed. ||

      Yup, the thousand year "Jewish State" is impossibly strong...except for when it's a tiny blue dot in a sea of green that's perpetually on the verge of being wiped off the map and pushed into the sea.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      I agree I’m an individual. America is a collective to which I belong, The trillions of dollars lost to the Iraqi occupation impacted me personally. I was collectively held responsible even though I individually opposed it. ... ||

      Being impacted by the actions of your government is not the same as being held responsible for the actions of your government. And you're still not a collective.

      || ... As for Jews and Israelis. Jews have chosen to identify with Israel. ... ||

      Little girls identify with princesses, but it doesn't make them princesses. And, anyway, AFAIK not all Jews identify with Israel. I wouldn't presume to anti-Semitically lump all people who are Jewish into a single "the Jews" collective.

      || ... Zionism is Judaism greatest achievement recently ... ||

      So...Judaism's greatest achievement is ethnic cleansing, terrorism, theft, occupation, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism. Huh.

      || ... As I’ve said before there is nothing Antisemetic in holding Jews responsible for what Jews collective do, in the same way it is not anti-American to hold Americans responsible for what Americans collectively do. ... ||

      It is anti-American to hold all Americans responsible for what a subset of Americans do. It is anti-Israeli to hold all Israelis responsible for what a subset of Israelis do. It is anti-Semitic to hold all Jews responsible for what a subset of Jewish people do.

      || ... I stand by the quote. ||

      Of course you do - you're a Zionist.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      You are conflating two very different things.

      1) Holding a group collectively responsible for the actions of its collective agents, for example holding a nation responsible for the actions of the state it controls.

      2) Holding individuals in a group collectively responsible for the actions of their ancestors.

      Those aren’t the same things. ... ||

      Fair enough.

      || ... For example as an American I was individually opposed to the Iraqi occupation. ... I’m not individually responsible for it but I am collectively responsible for it. ... ||

      1. You're not a collective.
      2. You're not responsible for actions you oppose.
      3. But even if your assertion were true, all non-Israelis who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish would be responsible for the actions of the State of Israel only if one were anti-Semitically to conflate - as you do - all Jews with Israel and Israel with all Jews.

    • || JeffB: ... In short all punishments one wants to dole out for marauding need to be done to the actual marauders ... ||

      Unless the marauders are Jews because, according to you, all Jews are responsible for the actions of some Jews.

      JeffB: There is nothing anti-Semitic with blaming Jews for stuff that Jews institutionally support. ... Not holding the Jews responsible for Jewish policy on the excuse that “well some Jews didn’t agree” is denying them agency. ...

    • || Boris: Most of you missed my point. ... ||

      There wasn't a valid point to miss.

      || ... Jewish people as a historical entity has the oldest claim to the piece of land now called Palestine.

      Yes, there were other people in there. As people – they are all gone. Their genes have been inherited by other people, but as ethnic entities – they are gone. We – the Jews – remain. ... ||

      You weren't the first in geographic Palestine, so you don't have the oldest claim. There hasn't been a "Jewish State" there for a couple thousand years, so you don't have the most recent claim to it. "The Jews" remain, but so do the non-Jews.

      The fact that some geographic Palestinians chose to hold (and still choose to hold) the religion-based identity of "Jewish" does not give them or Jewish-identity-holding citizens of homelands all over the world the right to establish a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine.

    • || Boris: ... I was born in Ukraine. ... ||

      So you're Ukrainian.

      || ... My family and all my ancestors were always Jewish. ... ||

      A religion-based identity.

      || ... Like Native Tribes in America who retain their claim to their ancestral land – I have the same claim to my. ... ||

      Like Native Tribes in America, the non-Jewish and Jewish indigenous population of geographic Palestine - and not some guy from Ukraine who chooses to hold a religion-based identity - are the colonized. They retain their claim to their ancestral land.

    • || JeffB @ March 2, 2017, 2:35 pm ||

      Well, that didn't last very long.

    • || JeffB: Finally an anti-zionist who is talking real history! Good post, especially, “Human rights apply to people universally, regardless of whether they have lived in an area for a year or ten thousand years.” ||

      Yup, and human rights do not include the right to steal, occupy and colonize territory and set up any sort of supremacist state. Glad to know you've finally abandoned Zionism. :-)

  • While Justin Trudeau continues to aid and abet Israel, Canadians awaken to the reality that the peace process was a charade all along
    • || hophmi: LOL. It’s a push poll. ... ||

      LOL. Yeah, I suppose that's how pollsters get people to agree that the religion-based identity of Jewish comprises a right:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

  • 'We will not go back' in struggle against racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia -- Bernie Sanders
    • Sanders says lots of good stuff but it's a shame he can't get past his Zionist desire for Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" (or, as he puts it, a "Jewish majority state") in as much as possible of Palestine.

  • Israel and Palestine: Settler colonialism and academic freedom
    • || Boris: I am outraged!!! How dare those Zionists not letting anti-Israel “scholars” into Israel!!! Outrageous!!! ||

      I agree with you that Israel is a supremacist and colonialist state and that it therefore makes no sense for its supremacist and colonialist leaders to allow into Israel people who advocate an end to supremacism and colonialism. Can't have these people sullying the purity!

  • How to love Israel: 'Sometimes it'll hurt-- bad, but I will not walk away! I will not let you go!'
    • Jewish may be about democracy but - as Ms. Almog's cooing makes quite clear - Zionist and "Jewish State" are about supremacism.

  • Are Bannon and Trump turning U.S. anti-immigrant enforcement agencies into their own paramilitary force?
  • The 50th anniversary of the occupation will rock the Jewish establishment
    • || echinococcus: One more thing, Eljay. ... ||

      I doubt it.

      || Who but Zionists confuse justice with “accountability and equality for all” ... ||

      I don't know, but I can see that you confused what I actually said with what you think I said. (Who but a Zionist would do this, right?)

      || ... Justice means a decision by the invaded owners of the whole of Palestine, i.e. the Palestinians, excluding the invaders. ... ||

      If you say so.

      || ... You are clearly advocating one more forcible imposition ... ||

      Nope. You are clearly confused.

    • || echinococcus: Your ceaseless clowning and evading are useless. ... ||

      If you say so.

      || ... The Zionists remain invaders even with your pill-pulling ... ||

      Is that similar to your pud-pulling?

      || ... calling the victims of invasion “Israeli” is no different than our old custom of branding slaves with their owners’ seal. ... ||

      Calling all citizens of, immigrants to and expats and refugees from Israel Israeli and advocating justice, accountability and equality for all is "no different than our old custom of branding slaves with their owners’ seal"? Interesting. That sounds like more of your pud-pulling.

      || ... none of your ridiculous liberal-Western equality-fraternity stuff is to be called justice. ||

      Better just to drive Jews out of Palestine. Good luck with that.

    • || echinococcus: Eljay, You still didn’t ask the sole owners of the land before showering them with all the goodies of liberty, equality fraternity and forced cohabitation with their illegal murderers. I don’t have a say ... ||

      Neither do I. You continue madly to attribute to me powers of influence I do not possess.

      || ... And, yeah, it makes it so much friendlier to call them “Israeli” ... ||

      If they are citizens of, immigrants to or expats or refugees from Israel, they're Israeli. Not sure why you want to reduce them to less than what they should be.

      || ... Finally, of course “You don’t have to ask Jews. They don’t count.” Duh. Their religion is totally irrelevant and they are f*&’%@ invaders ... ||

      Whatever you say. The rationale you use to drive Jews out of Palestine is your business.

    • || echinococcus: OK, Eljay, continue following and recommending adhesion to the colonial terminology and legislation –you don’t have to ask the Palestinian people. They don’t count. ||

      Absolutely they count, both...
      - as Israelis in a secular and democratic, Partition-borders Israeli state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally; and
      - as not-Israelis (or whatever they are to be called) in a secular and democratic, Partition-borders not-Israeli (or whatever it is to be called) state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

      As citizens of these states, they have the right to help democratically determine the futures of their respective states - to decide whether to remain apart or to join together.

      But you go ahead and continue following and recommending dismantling Israel and driving all Jews out of geographic Palestine. You don't have to ask Jews. They don't count.

    • || echinococcus: ... You don’t seem to care much about people’s feelings or rights either, Eljay. ... ||

      I'm not sure that I can or should care about everyone's feelings, but I do care about their rights.

      || ... No one would willingly carry, or boast of, an “Israel” so-called citizenship unless a Zionist ... ||

      If you say so.

      || ... By calling captive Palestinians, who overwhelmingly want their own sovereignty over the whole of Palestine, “Israeli”, you are adding insult to injury. ||

      The Palestinian citizens of, immigrants to and expats and refugees from Israel are Israeli. You can pretend they're something else if you like.

    • ... Barry Shrage, the longtime leader of the Jewish Federations in Boston, scolded Borgwardt, a Stanford student, over her remarks, warning that she would alienate Israelis: ...

      Mr. Shrage must have meant to say "Jewish Israelis" because it's unlikely that a Zionist like him gives a flying f*ck about non-Jewish Israelis.

      ... I was uncomfortable with what Eva said. There are differences here. To talk about 50 years or 70 years of oppression– it doesn’t give a lot of space to real heroes who tried to make the peace happen. ...

      Poor Mr. Shrage - it really sucks when someone shines a light on your hateful, immoral, colonialist and supremacist ideology. Aggressor-victimhood is such a tough gig... :-(

  • Elor Azarya's 'normative' support for genocide
    • Azarya is a hard-core Zionist - the guy who's happy to do the dirty work while his less-hardy "liberal Zionist" co-collectivists "hold their noses", wait for the "necessary evil" to be committed and then "primarily celebrate".

  • Campus wars
  • Israel bars Human Rights Watch director from entering country, calls org 'Palestinian propaganda'
    • || @aBr: ... Feel free to compare Israel to Egypt all you like. ... ||

      Why not - you Zionists do it all the time:
      - you never fail to praise Israel as a "moral beacon", a "light unto the nations" and a "Western-style democracy"; and
      - you never fail to defend Israel's colonialism, supremacism and (war) crimes by comparing it to bottom-of-the-morality-barrel states like Saudi Arabia, Mali and African "hell-holes".

  • Israel's dependence on lobby's pressure will cause hostility to U.S. Jews, Nathan Glazer warned in 1976
    • || catalan: ... I am not afraid of any “blowback” that people here speak about ... ||

      That's because you're a Zionist.

      || ... because actually dividing Jews into Zionist and anti-Zionist is non-sense. ... ||

      So you're saying that Jews are just one big monolithic group - "the Jews". How very anti-Semitic of you.

      || ... It’s like dividing Jews into those that like horses and those who don’t. ... ||

      It's cute how you reduce Jewish supremacism to a mere difference in appreciation of equines. Are you equally considerate of supremacists in other groups?

    • || catalan: ... So, unless Jews think and act in specific ways they will be exposed to hostility. ... ||

      It's possible that non-Zionist Jews may suffer blowback for the actions of American and foreign Zionist Jews who for decades have pressured successive U.S. governments to defend and fund Zionist acts of injustice and immorality that are of no benefit to America or to Americans.

      I agree with you that non-Zionist Jews should not have to pay for the actions of Zionist Jews. But I'm not as certain as you are that Zionist Jews won't be able to successfully direct the blowback away from themselves and onto non-Zionist Jews.

  • Saying ‘I Am Muslim, Too’ is not standing in solidarity with Muslims
    • || oldgeezer: ... Even under those patio lanterns? ... ||

      That's where I go for a soda.

      || ... I’m still good for a wild party as long as it’s over by 11 or 12 and I have a week to recover. ||

      Rock on, oldgeezer!   \m/ > , < \m/

    • || Mooser: ... Can I interest you in a few of these “Je suis generis” buttons? ||

      Thanks - I'd love one to pin onto my favourite t-shirt. :-)

    • ... As touching as it may be to claim, even in a sense of solidarity, that you are Muslim, if you aren’t, then you aren’t. ...

      Makes sense. And that's why despite my belief in and support for the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality, I am not Muslim, Jewish, Charlie or a wild party (rah, rah, olé!).

  • DNC debate batters Trump-- but Israel support must be 'bipartisan,' says Ellison
    • ... I believe that the U.S.-Israel relationship is special ...

      Doesn't he know it's anti-Semitic to single out the "Jewish State" for special treatment?

      ... We will maintain the bipartisan consensus of US support for Israel if I’m the DNC chair. ...

      Are there any other colonialist, (war) criminal and supremacist states for which he plans to maintain support, or is he once again anti-Semitically singling out Israel for special treatment?

  • Natives and the blessings of progress
    • “Equal suffrage is obviously inadvisable in so backward a civilization as that of the Arab…”

      .... For Agronsky, the Jewish Agency representative, his theme was “Jewish Reclamation of Palestine,” ...

      “It is difficult to imagine how Jews, who have lived in the great world, in the great modern cities of Europe and America, and who should go back to Palestine, could take a place side by side with the Arabs who are 2,000 or 3,000 years behind the Jews in civilization.”

      1. From the very beginning, Zionists were supremacists pushing a supremacist ideology.
      2. It's funny how Zionists can't seem to decide whether Palestine existed or never existed.

  • 'All the houses received [demolition] orders': Israel to destroy entire Bedouin village in the West Bank
  • Trump has reminded Palestinians that it was always about one state
    • A single secular and democractic "Geographic Palestine" state can be a homeland for all people of and from (and up to n generations removed from) the region.

      A single religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for people all over the world who choose to be/come Jewish can only be, well, a religion-supremacist state.

  • Palestinian who filmed shooting says Azaria sentence ‘is a joke, not justice’
    • || @aak @ February 21, 2017, 3:02 pm ||

      That's a lot of words to express your disappointment that an Israeli Occupation Forces goon wasn't able to literally get away with murder because his very-deliberate summary execution of a wounded and incapacitated non-Israeli in not-Israel was caught on camera.

      Aggressor-victimhood is such a tough gig... :-(

  • Trump is putting the crunch on liberal Zionism
    • || catalan: ... Mooser ... bears partial responsibility to the extent that his taxes contribute to it. ... by choosing to live and pay taxes in America (which he can leave) and also by obeying the tax laws (which he can break if he believes they are immoral), he still expresses an implied consent with the actions of the US government. There is no need for a checkbox. ... ||

      So what you're saying is that Jewish Iranians - who choose to pay taxes and choose not to flee Iran - bear partial responsibility for the actions of the Iranian regime. Similarly, Jewish Syrians bore (and those who remain still bear) partial responsibility for the actions of the Assad regimes. Interesting.

    • || echinococcus: Talknic, “Catalan” is right here. No proof needed; Mooser and me [sic] and any other US person do support US war by just being in the taxation system no matter the subjective intentions. ||

      So you agree with catalan that (Jewish and non-Jewish) non-Zionist Israeli taxpayers support the occupation and colonization of Palestine. Huh. I guess you'll have to drive them out of geographic Palestine, too.

    • || catalan: ... Mooser does not have to announce his support for the US defense budget. His taxes pay for it and the material support he provides is far more important than some words he may share on a niche blog about Israel. His money pays for US wars, literally. He does have a choice – he can move to Sweden or Switzerland, for instance. ... ||

      1. Mooser must pay a sh*t-load of taxes if "his money pays for US wars, literally".

      2. According to your "logic":
      - the occupation and colonization of Palestine is not the fault of Zionist Israelis but of (Jewish and non-Jewish) non-Zionist Israelis whose money pays for it, literally; and
      - if (Jewish and non-Jewish) non-Zionist Israelis were to leave Israel the Zionists - bereft of taxes and material support - would end the occupation and colonization of Palestine (just as Mooser's departure from America would end US wars).

      Interesting stuff.

    • || jon s: ... In my view, the two sides, Israelis and Palestinians, can have either justice or peace, can’t have both ... What I mean is that what both sides would consider real justice can only be achieved through a bloodbath. ... ||

      Justice, accountability and equality can be achieved without a bloodbath. The two sides can have both justice and peace in either a one-state or a two-state solution.

      Zionists like you argue against justice and peace because you stand to lose most or all of your ill-gotten gains. And, so, you advocate instead a Zionist "peace" that:
      - allows Israel to continue to exist as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine;
      - absolves Israel of responsibility and accountability for its past and on-going (war) crimes; and
      - absolves Israel of its obligations under international law (incl. RoR).

    • ... As Netanyahu knows, the only “one state” that Palestinians are going to “like” — let alone accept — is one in which they are full and equal citizens who get to vote. Demographics dictate that this, in turn, will spell the end of the Jewish state — unless Israel wants to be an undemocratic pariah state ruling over a vast disenfranchised Palestinian population. ...

      So...to preserve Israel as a "Jewish and democratic" state, the "threatening demographic" of non-Jewish Israelis must be kept to a safe minimum. Mr. Cohen effectively drives home the point that "Jewish State" is a religion-supremacist construct.

  • 63 wells destroyed, 5310 trees, 150 doors: a chronicle of the occupation in Hebron district
  • Jews in Iran: a travelogue
    • || Jon66: ... CigarGod misidentifies a woman and assumes she must be Israeli because she is “arrogant” and I’m the one who is wrong? ... ||

      I don't think you're wrong. The woman in question is a Zionist, but that doesn't mean she's Israeli.

      || ... Eljay Not an argument. Just a question. ... ||

      Right, the question was:

      ... if the Israeli government granted the same rights to the Palestinian Israeli minority as the Iranians give to Jews, would the Palestinians be satisfied with those rights?

      I'll re-phrase and re-state my answer: I don't know whether or not non-Jewish Israelis would be satisfied with rights in Israel similar to those granted to Jewish Iranians by Iran, but I don't think they should be put in the position of having to find that out. Non-Jewish Israelis should be given the same rights as Jewish Israelis in a secular and democratic Israel (not a “Jewish State”).

    • || Jon66: Eljay,
      For the sake of argument, let’s assume that a secular democracy is ‘better’ and more ‘moral’ than other forms of government ( it’s a Western centric view, but I do agree with you). ... ||

      Cool. :-)

      || ... I don’t think Israel should model itself after Iran either ... ||

      That's good.

      || ... but if there is no comparison to be made between the two, than what was the point of the article on this website? ||

      The article's final paragraph seems to sum things up quite nicely:

      In Iran I found committed Jews who go about modern life in a seemingly natural manner, without the self-consciousness and identity-splitting of their Ashkenazi brethren. ... their life stands in contrast to a well-oiled campaign to besmirch the history of Jewish-Muslim relations in order to suit ... the agenda of those who argue that there is no safe place for Jews except Israel.

      I don't see how you derive from that an argument that non-Jewish Israelis should have the same rights as Jewish Iranians.

    • || Jon66: I agree that I would like to live in a secular democratic state, but much of the world has other models. many states have official religions. ||

      I think that's unfortunate. But I don't see why Israel - a self-professed "moral beacon", "light unto the nations" and "Western-style democracy" state - should model itself after Iran. There's no reason - other than whataboutery - for it to be anything other than the secular and democratic state of and for all if its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

    • || Jon66: ... Hypothetical- if the Israeli government granted the same rights to the Palestinian Israeli minority as the Iranians give to Jews, would the Palestinians be satisfied with those rights? ||

      Jewish Iranians should have the same rights as non-Jewish Iranians in a secular and democratic Iran (not an "Islamic State" or a "Persian State").

      Non-Jewish Israelis should have the same rights as Jewish Israelis in a secular and democratic Israel (not a "Jewish State").

      Neither Jewish Iranians nor non-Jewish Israelis should be expected or required to accept anything less.

  • 'NYT' runs Israeli's op-ed recommending that Palestinians 'emigrate voluntarily'
    • Dear so-called "Palestinians",

      The geographic region of Palest...errr, I mean, Judea and Samaria does not belong to you, its indigenous population. It belongs to people all over the world who choose to be/come Jewish - that is, to hold or acquire the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      We have tried over the decades to drive home this point by driving you out of your homes, oppressing you and even murdering you in cold blood; but like so many cockroaches you continue to infest our Promised Land.

      So let's be perfectly clear: While ethnic cleansing is "currently not necessary", we're willing to revisit this and any other "necessary evil" in the not-too-distant future if you refuse to f*ck off and/or die.

      So, please, f*ck off and/or die.

      Yours in eternal supremacism,

      a Zionist.

      P.S. - All hail the Thousand Year "Jewish State".

  • The emergence of the Just Jew
    • || oldgeezer: ... Getting rid of tyranny is a great goal hophead. For millions of Palestinians, who are deprived of basic rights, that tyranny is zionist Israel. Unless it reforms it too needs to go. ||

      hophmi will either ignore your comment or defend his continued support of Zionism and "Jewish State" supremacism by:
      - arguing that because it's Jewish it's not tyranny, it's "self-determination"; and/or
      - engaging in "Saudi Arabia, Mali and African 'hell-holes'" whataboutery.

    • || yonah fredman: Eljay- antisemitism is neither universal nor timeless. ... ||

      Thank you for confirming this.

      || ... To question the phenomenon in the years 1881 to 1945 ... ||

      As far as I can tell, Keith's comment was a counter to the author's sweeping statements:
      - "Jews served as scapegoats for centuries";
      - "History is riddled with examples of Jewish persecution"; and
      - "most notably during the crusades, Spanish inquisition and the Nazi Holocaust".

      You - not he - reduced centuries, history, the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition to "the years 1881 to 1945".

      Anti-Semitism existed, exists and in all likelihood will continue to exist. I condemn it as I condemn all forms of hatred and injustice. And I condemn the notion that acts of injustice and immorality committed against a group justify acts of injustice and immorality committed by that group.

    • || yonah fredman: Keith’s comment dismisses antisemitism asserting that since Rothschilds are rich antisemitism cannot exist. This is ridiculous. ... ||

      Keith's comment appears to counter the assertion that anti-Semitism is universal and timeless - in other words, that every Jewish person everywhere in the world and throughout all of history has suffered and continues to suffer from anti-Semitism. Are you stating that he is wrong?

    • || hophmi: Equality and justice means getting rid of Assad in Syria, ISIS in the Middle East, and tyranny in the Middle East and everywhere else. If you’re not for these things, you’re not a Just anything. ||

      If you're not for the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality, you're not a Just anything. Zionists are not for these things. They are not Just anythings.

  • Banned from Jerusalem (for trying to pay respects to my grandmother)
    • || catalan: ... But I hear so much optimism about the inevitable one state solution why even worry. Everyone here says that the conflict is over, Israel lost. I figure I will just enjoy the upcoming period of global peace and prosperity. ||

      Bringing justice, accountability and equality (JAE) to I-P isn't about magically generating "global peace and prosperity" - it's about upholding and defending international laws and human rights and the protections they are meant to afford to all people.

      Unfortunately this conflicts with the Zionist belief that "Murderers exist, so it's OK to rape."

    • || aloeste: No reason for israel to admit enemies. ... ||

      And yet Israel did admit this "enemy". Go figure.

      Anyway, Jerusalem is a Free City under military occupation and colonization by the rogue "Jewish State" of Israel. Jerusalem does not belong to Israel. It should not be Israel's business who can and cannot enter Jerusalem.

    • || Boris: If she has a poster “No Wall”, why does she wants to go to a wall? ||

      Since Israel says it's a "moral beacon", why does it insist on behaving so immorally?

  • Trump's dim view of Palestine-Israel
    • || amigo: For those interested !!. The debate in the commons on Trump State visit to the UK will take place today ... Theresa May will ignore her people,s wishes and the Queen will put on her best face for this farce.Watch her face when she is shaking hands with this quasi dictator. ... ||

      I wonder if Trump will:
      - tug her toward him when they shake hands; and/or
      - hold her hand and take her for a stroll.

    • ... Perhaps the “state” Trump envisions ...

      I don't think Trump actually "envisions" anything other than crowing about having achieved the "ultimate deal". If I-P manages to work itself out peacefully, he'll gladly take credit for it; if it doesn't, he'll just as gladly point the finger in blame.

  • 'New York Times' on Palestinians sounds like it's opining about 'Negro Problem'
    • || John O: ... If Trump had suggested turning the Al Aqsa Mosque/Wailing Wall into a crazy golf course ... ||

      Such a golf course would be a fabulous golf course, probably - and I'm not joking - without a doubt the greatest golf course in the world or the Middle East or anywhere else, trust me.

    • Zionists:
      - do not care about justice and morality in I-P;
      - do care about how much "Jewish State" injustice and immorality they can get away with.

  • How both Trump and Netanyahu whitewashed antisemitism with 'love'
    • Trump is a narcissistic, petulant man-child and Bibi is a hateful and immoral Zionist hypocrite who celebrates the deliberate slaughter by Jews of thousands of individuals.

      "No light between."

  • Albert Einstein's advice to Jared Kushner
    • || AddictionMyth: Trump unintentionally accelerated Israel’s progress to one-state – with equal rights and full freedom of speech and religion for all. ... ||

      I suspect that a one-state "Jewish State" solution will be less about equal rights, etc., for all than it will be about "necessary evil" against non-Jews. But I could be mistaken.

  • A defense of UCLA student paper's decision to publish Netanyahu cartoon
    • || ... Bloom’s statements were published in the Santa Monica Lookout. ... ||

      ... “I am deeply disturbed that the editors at the Daily Bruin permitted an offensive and anti-Semitic cartoon to be printed in [the] paper,” Bloom wrote.

      He continued, “Criticizing a governmental action, in this particular case, Israeli settlement policies, is responsible journalism. However, calling into question Jewish religious tenets is reckless, immature and blatantly discriminatory.” ...

      Given that the two universal (or at least Judeo-Christian) ethical values are presented in the context of (supposedly secular) Israel and its King, I'm deeply disturbed that Mr. Bloom:
      - reduces them to "Jewish religious tenets"; and
      - "pulls a hophmi" and anti-Semitically reduces Jewish culture, ethnicity, people, nation and civilization just to religion.

  • After exciting disruptions, David Friedman hearing is a walk in the park
    • || captADKer: you got that right. onward now with settlements and one democratic jewish state from river to sea ||

      "[D]emocratic jewish state" sounds a lot like "Jewish and democratic state" - in other words, like a poor disguise for colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

    • ... Friedman said he was for the two-state solution, if only the Palestinians would finally accept the existence of Israel, which they don’t want to do ...

      Zionists like Friedman don't want Palestinians to accept the existence of Israel - they want Palestinians to accept the existence of Israel as a colonialist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" absolved of its obligations under international law (incl. RoR) and of accountability for its past and on-going (war) crimes. Palestinians should not be expected or required to accept such an injustice.

  • Palestinians express mixed reactions to Trump's shift from two-state solution
    • || Misterioso: America went to sleep and a self-adoring moron became president.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/world/middleeast/nikki-haley-israel-palestinians-two-state-solution.html?_r=0 ... ||

      ... “Twenty-four hours after President Trump swatted away at a broad international consensus on how to achieve peace between Israelis and Palestinians, his United Nations envoy sought to assure the world on Thursday that his administration supports Palestinian statehood but wants a ‘thinking out of the box’ approach.” ...

      Zionists are happy with "thinking out[side] of the box" as long as Israel:
      - remains a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - is absolved of its past and on-going (war) crimes and of its obligations under international law (incl. RoR).

  • Poll: Canada's politicians drastically out of touch with public on Israel
    • || captADKer: BDS = ANTI SEMITISM

      no need to dissect an individual’s heart when it is expressed by an acronym ||

      Ain't that the truth: IDF = ZIONIST TERRORISM

    • || bikingdoc: ... Real truth of the matter is that Israel is the Mideast’s only democracy ... ||

      If by "Mideast's only democracy" you mean "Mideast's only religion-supremacist 'Jewish State'", yes, you're right, it is.

      || ... treats its Muslim population better than nearly any Muslim country does, respects human rights MUCH or the one in the oven its Arab neighbors ... ||

      You can always count on a Zionist to argue "Murders exist, so it's OK to rape."

      || ... and has more historic and legal claims to the disputed lands of Judea and Samaria than the so-called “Palestinians”, since there isn’t now nor has ever been a country called Palestine. ... ||

      The non-Jewish and Jewish indigenous population of geographic Palestine is the only group has the only historic claim to geographic Palestine. The religion-based identity of "Jewish" is not a valid claim to territory or to a supremacist state of any kind.

      || ... Every honest observer middle East knows that Israel is a shining light of democracy amidst a sea of brutal Islamic theocracies. ... ||

      If by "shining light of democracy" you mean "colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist 'Jewish State'", yes, you're right, it is.

      And, once again, you can always count on a Zionist to argue "Murders exist, so it's OK to rape."

  • Liberal supporters of Israel slam Trump's 'terrifying' comments-- some saying Jews need to keep a majority
    • || hophmi: I’m glad we’ve laid bare once again that those who call for a 1SS on the left aren’t interested in binationalism; they’re just interested in ending non-Muslim sovereignty in the Middle East. ... ||

      "non-Muslim sovereignty" has no business existing in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. Same goes for "Muslim sovereignty".

      || ... Their goals are the same as the goals of ISIS. ||

      Says the guy who hypocritically advocates, justifies and defends his preferred brand of religion-based supremacism. Good one.

    • Time and again, Zionists make it abundantly clear that "Jewish State" supremacism - with or without its ill-fitting "Jewish and democratic" disguise - matters more to them than do justice, accountability and equality.

      Time and again, Zionists make it abundantly clear that they are content to undermine international laws and human rights and the protections they are meant to afford to all people.

  • The day the two greatest salesmen in the world met at the White House
    • || aloeste: ... at the 100th anniversery of six day war these people’s grandchildren will still be here complaining and advocating grandson-of-BDS ||

      Not the hundredth anniversary - the thousandth. You're a Zionist - I'm surprised that you have so little faith in the longevity of your "Jewish State" homeland.

    • Two blowhards under one roof: I'm surprised the turbulence didn't cause the White House to collapse.

  • Trump says he's 'happy' with one-state outcome, ringing in a new era
    • The insatiable greed of Zionists has made the two-state solution all but impossible. Trump is the final nail in its coffin...or, to put it more Zionistically, the final bullet in its skull.

  • Israel interferes in our politics all the time, and it's never a scandal
    • || Jackdaw: The United States just meddled in Israeli politics; which renders Phil’s argument into trash. ||

      The United States meddles in Russian politics; which removes Phil's arguments from the trash, dumps yours into the trash and covers them with moldy food scraps.

  • Donald Trump and the 'ultimate deal'
    • Trump says peace deal will ultimately be up to Israelis, Palestinians

      ... "The United States will encourage a peace [deal] and really a great peace deal," Trump said. "We will be working on it very, very diligently. But it is the parties themselves who must directly negotiate such an agreement."

      The Israelis are going to have to "show some flexibility" and "hold back on settlements for a little bit," said Trump, adding he believes Israeli officials "really want to make a deal." He said the Palestinians will have to acknowledge Israel.

      "There's no way a deal can be made if they're not ready to acknowledge a very, very great and important country. And I also believe that we'll have other players at a very high level, and it might make it easier on the Palestinians and Israel to get something done," Trump said. ...

      When asked about continued U.S. support for a two-state solution instead of one state, Trump said, "I like the one that both parties like. I can live with either one." ...

      It seems fitting that Trump's "ultimate deal" involves the summary execution of justice, accountability and equality in I-P.

  • Netanyahu comes to Trump meeting under pressure to kill Palestinian state
    • || Kaisa of Finland: And before RoHa gets here: Ally, I meant ally (= liittolainen in finnish!!!) As you see I am trying my best here.. eh.. ||

      I'm sure RoHa will accept your apology. He, like Dinsdale Piranha, is "a cruel man...but fair!" :-)

    • ... Trump ... : “They [settlements] don’t help the process. I can say that. There is so much land left. And every time you take land for settlements, there is less land left. But we are looking at that, and we are looking at some other options we’ll see. But no, I am not somebody that believes that going forward with these settlements is a good thing for peace.” ...

      It's mighty nice of him to strongly condemn Israel's blatant colonialism and on-going (war) criminal activity make vague statements about how:
      - the settlements don't help the [peace] process; and
      - his administration is looking at "that" - whatever "that" is - as well as "other options we'll see".

  • 'We cannot divide the land': Israeli academic Yehouda Shenhav on bridging the gap between Israelis and Palestinians through Arabic literature
    • || @Br: If Jews came from Judea, even after being banished by titus and chased across Africa through Spain and up and into eastern Europe they still come from Judea which must absolutely cause caustic ulcers among the anti-zionist/israel crowds so intent on proving Jews from eastern Europe are not from Judea and are really from someplace else. ... ||

      Some people who were Jewish came from geographic Palestine. (And many more people who were not Jewish also came from geographic Palestine.) The Jewish people of Easter Europe came from Eastern Europe.

      This must absolutely cause caustic ulcers among the Zionist / pro-Jewish-supremacism crowd so intent on proving that the religion-based identity of "Jewish" comprises a right to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in geographic Palestine.

      || ... Of course this theory is not only recent and totally bogus but pathetic in its denial of what is so obvious only the most mediocre minded true believers would even entertain the idea in the first place. ||

      Only the most mediocre minded true believers would argue that every person who...
      - undergoes a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - is descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism,
      ...comes from geographic Palestine.

  • Israeli govt and its supporters admit the fight to defeat BDS has failed
    • || aloeste: ... let’s face it , 20 yrs from now our kids will be here , arguing the same , while facts on the ground continue to multiply…. ||

      20 years? Haven't you heard? The "Jewish State" will last a thousand years!

  • 'The way they arrested him was savage': Israeli forces violently detain 14-year-old disabled Palestinian boy
    • Israeli forces stormed Aida refugee camp on Wednesday, arresting Ali Jawarish, a 14-year-old disabled Palestinian boy, who as of today is still being held in Israeli detention. The arrest was caught on video by youth from the camp, and depicts Israeli forces tearing off the boy’s shirt, and violently throwing him into the back of a military jeep. ... Witnesses in the area during the arrest however, told Mondoweiss that after Ali’s shirt was ripped off and he was thrown into the jeep, Israeli forces began beating the teen. ...

      Israeli Terror Forces: Supremacists in Captain Israel underpants.

  • 'We go to heaven, you go to hell': Israeli settlers caught on video threatening to kill Palestinians in Hebron
    • || Boris: Does not sound like the whole story. ||

      The whole story is that supremacist Israeli colonists have no right to parade around not-Israel as though they own the place. You're a Zionist, so it's no surprise that you missed that part.

  • New Israel Fund response to Ben Gurion harassment reinforces very system it claims to oppose
    • || jon s: ... the ritual has always been a favorite target for Jew-haters. ||

      And Muslim-haters, since Muslims indulge in it in far greater numbers.

      IMO, circumcision should not be forced up on infants but should be left to those who freely choose it. And to make it really special, it should be done with an axe:

      Male Circumcision in Islam:

      The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The Prophet Ibrahim circumcised himself when he was eighty years old and he circumcised himself with an axe." (Related by Bukhari, Muslim & Ahmad.)

    • || jon s: ... been sort of busy (for happy reasons: my wife and I have just welcomed our first grandson…) ||

      Congratulations! :-)

    • || Talkback: ... You despise terrorism? How on earth do you think that Israel was established? ||

      I don't doubt that jon s despises terrorism - I just think he (as a Zionist) is selective about what constitutes terrorism.

      So, for example, Israel wasn't established using terrorism and ethnic cleansing, it was established through "self-determination" and maybe even a "necessary evil" or two.

    • || eljay: Sibiriak, you’re tiring me out with your yonah- and Mikhael-like level of verbosity ... ||

      Sibiriak, upon reflection I realize that you did not deserve this cheap shot. I apologize for having made it.

    • Sibiriak, you're tiring me out with your yonah- and Mikhael-like level of verbosity, so I'll just say this and then bow out:

      According to quotes I've provided, NIF is a Zionist organization that does many good things in order to secure Israel's future as a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews. That's not a culturally-Jewish state, that's a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

      NIF is content for this "Jewish State" to exist is some part of Palestine. How ever much territory that ends up being is "as much as possible" of Palestine.

      I hope I'm wrong but at this time I don't see that I am. Thanks for the conversation. :-)

    • || jon s: eljay, I believe in equal rights for all, regardless of religion, nationality, race, gender, whatever. So, naturally, I condemn any form of supremacism. ... ||

      jon, you've made it very clear many times that you believe in (and do not condemn):
      - Israel as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews; and
      - a Zionist "peace" that absolves Israel of its obligations under international law (including RoR) and of accountability for its past and on-going (war) crimes.

    • || Sibiriak: ... But that’s not what NIF believes, and you shown no evidence that it is. They’ve never stated that Israel should be entitled to exist as a “religion-supremacist state” in ’67 borders or any other borders. If they have, please quote them verbatim expressing that notion and I will gladly stand corrected. ... ||

      I never claimed they want '67 borders. That was simply an example of "as much as possible".

      || ... Yes you have. You claimed that NIF seeks to: “actualize the vision of” a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”. You quote “actualize the vision of” and you quote “Jewish state”– but you stick your own words, “religion-supremacist” in the middle of those two quotes. Even though you have stated elsewhere that “Jewish state” doesn’t necessarily mean a “religion-supremacist” state. ... ||

      A culturally-Jewish Israel is an Israel whose primary cultural influences are Jewish. As far as I can tell, NIF - like all Zionists - believes in an Israel that is primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

      That's not a culturally-Jewish Israel - that's a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" because (and I know you know this because I've said it to you before) Jewish is fundamentally a religion-based identity that can only be acquired by:
      - undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - being descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      This is all strictly in my most humble opinion. Your mileage may vary.

      || ... You need to demonstrate that for NIF “Jewsh State” means “Jewish-supremacist” state ... ||

      Please see my comment of February 13, 2017, 3:10 pm.

    • || Sibiriak: But we are discussing NIF, not other Zionists who have supported a “religion-supremacist construct.” If NIF supports a “religion-supremacist construct”, then you should be able to demonstrate that fact with NIF’s own words and actions. But apparently you are unable to do that. ... ||

      According to the NIF website: "The New Israel Fund was founded more than 30 years ago to actualize the vision of Israel’s Founders, that of a Jewish and democratic state … "

      According to NIF's CEO: "In the end, what is most Jewish about the Jewish state is that it was founded to be a state for the Jews ... That founding vision, enshrined in Israel’s Declaration of Independence, referred to the multilayered connection that the Jewish people has always had to Israel, to the arc of Jewish history that necessitated the creation of a state for the Jews ... "

      Also: "In a charged conversation with Makor Rishon, the International Director of the New Israel Fund, Daniel Sokatch, rebuffs the criticism against his organization: 'They say that we are anti-Zionist. It’s a mistake, we want what’s best for Israel'. ...

      Perhaps they exist, but I couldn't find any statements by the NIF where they denounce the "Law of Return".

      || ... We are discussing NIF. It’s a silly argument to say that NIF must share the same views as Zionists here. ||

      Zionists have varying opinions but all Zionists - including the NIF, as far as I can tell - support the existence of Israel as a state primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

      I'm happy to be proven wrong.

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