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eljay

I'm a happily-married, vegetarian and atheist Canadian with two wonderful cats. :-)

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  • 'NYT' leaves out Dennis Ross's charge to US Jews: 'We need to be advocates for Israel'
    • ... Jews have an obligation to promote justice, mercy, compassion, tolerance and peace. ...

      Jewish Zionists defy that obligation. In their pursuit of Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine, they promote injustice, inequality, hostility and intolerance.

  • Balfour Declaration, now 100, was 'gun pointed at heads' of Palestinians -- Khalidi
    • || jon s: Keith, JeffB, just, eljay, Yonah,
      Sorry to spoil the fun , but Herzl actually did go to Palestine , in 1898. ... ||

      I get what you're saying: Establishing a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine is overkill when a simple visit to (next year in) Jerusalem will suffice.

      (How did Herzl manage to go to Palestine when, as Zionists insist on telling us, Palestine never existed?)

    • || yonah fredman: Joe was a truck driver dedicated to the project of building a new community center ... ||

      - primarily of and for people who chose to be truck drivers;
      - in an inhabited quarter of a distant city;
      - at the expense of the long-time residents of that quarter, many of whom would have to be permanently driven from it.

      Joe believed that truck drivers were entitled:
      - to a supremacist "Truck Drivers' Community Centre"; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

    • || just: ” “Yeah, you have to wonder about these guys that say “next year in Jerusalem” but never actually go.”

      Golly “Keith”, cut the man a little slack. Herzl died in 1904, long before there was an Israel. How could he go there?” ... ||

      Israel may not have been there but as Zionists will tell you the "Land of Israel" - Herzl's "ancient homeland", "eternal homeland" and "one true homeland" - was never not there, so he could in fact have gone...sorry, "returned" to it.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      Let me just correct this by saying you don’t actually mean democratic nor secular. ... ||

      There's nothing to correct because I do actually mean secular and democratic.

      || ... You are going to have to accept ... ||

      I accept and mourn the fact that far too many people like you exist who selectively prefer injustice and immorality to justice, accountability and equality.

    • || Nathan: ... Peter Beinart accepts the right of Israel to exist. ... ||

      Peter Beinart is a Zionist and, like all Zionists, he wrongly believes that Israel is entitled to exist as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

      || ... The issue is the legitimacy of Israel, not the character of its leader. As an avid reader of Mondoweiss, you should already have a clear picture of the pro-Palestinian point of view (albeit as understood by outsiders): It is only possible to negotiate the demise of Israel, not her acceptance. ||

      It is fair and correct to say that all Zionists believe in Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      It is neither fair nor correct to say that all pro-Palestinians reject Israel and want it gone. Some (like me) believe Israel - which exists - should continue to exist within its / Partition borders as the secular and democratic state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

      But it's easy to see how to a Zionist - someone who believes that Israel and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" must be one and the same - the end of the latter necessarily means the end of the former.

  • Samuel Freedman extols Jewish 'love affair' with Jewish state-- while decrying 'dogma of white supremacy'
    • || Nathan: ... In many European languages, “-ism” is an indication that we are dealing with an abstract concept. Indeed, a religion is an abstract concept. The Jews, on the other hand, are not an abstract concept. They are human beings. ... ||

      Jews* are the human beings in and from countries all over the world who have chosen to acquire / hold the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      Palestinians are the human beings in and from the geographic region of Palestine.

      The reality of Palestinian ties to the geographic region of Palestine trumps the abstract, religion-based "ties" of many (most?) Jewish people to that region.

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      (*According to Zionists, the collective term "the Jews" is anti-Semitic.)

    • || eljay: ... such a state would be as illegitimate as the religion-supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel. ||

      Clarification: This assumes that the establishment of a supremacist "Kurdish State" would require a similar degree of mass immigration, ethnic cleansing, colonialism and (war) crimes. It's possible that a supremacist "Kurdish State" would be less illegitimate than the "Jewish State".

    • || Nathan: ... Now, in front of our eyes, Kurdistan is seeking independence. Is it legitimate? ... ||

      IMO:
      1. If the people of the region in question decide democratically to form a secular and democratic nation of and for - and with equal rights for - all people living in the region and up to n-generations removed from it, such a state would be legitimate.

      2. If an ethnic / cultural / tribal subset of the people of the region in question decide to establish a state...
      - primarily of and for people living in the region and people elsewhere in the world, regardless of their actual ties to the region, who share that ethnic / cultural / tribal identity; and
      - at the expense of people living in the region and people elsewhere in the world, but with actual ties to the region (i.e., n-generations or less removed from it), who do not share that ethnic / cultural / tribal identity,
      ...such a state would be as illegitimate as the religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel.

    • || Nathan: ... almost everyone in this forum repeats again and again the same slogans. ... ||

      Ain't that the truth! Every Zionist in this forum repeats again and again the same slogans advocating, justifying and/or defending Jewish supremacism, colonialism and (war) crimes.

    • || Nathan: ... In the collective Jewish identity, the ancient Land of Israel is the place of origin. A DNA examination might prove that in reality the Jews originated in the southern hemisphere of Mars ...

      ... Outsiders can join the collective identity of another group ... Amongst the Jews, conversion is the tool for joining the group. ... ||

      Thank you for your clear and straightforward confirmation that:
      - Jewish is a religion-based identity; and
      - the geographic region of Palestine is not the actual homeland of every person in the world who chooses to be/come Jewish.

    • || Nathan: ... Zionist ideology is concerned with the Hebrew language, the return to the Land of Israel, and the fulfillment of ancient aspirations (“next year in Jerusalem”). ... ||

      Strip away the romanticism and you have: Zionism is concerned with Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. It's no wonder Zionists prefer to sugar-coat it.

      || ... I don’t know why it’s so difficult for all the anti-Zionists to present someone else’s view in the way that that someone else would present it. ||

      I don't why anyone would expect opponents of pedophilia, female genital mutilation (FGM) or rape to present someone else's view of pedophilia, FGM or rape in the way that someone else would present it.

  • Palestinian appeal to ICC seen as last hope to 'bring justice for the victims' of Israeli violations
    • || Emet: Israel is going to turn to the ICC and have the Palestinian Arabs put on trial for rejecting the 1947 Partition Plan. Every Jew and Israel Druze ... will demand a huge price from the Palestinians.
      The Palestinians made a massive mistake when they rejected the plan. ...
      And of course, for all the useful idiot Jews on Mondoweiss will do everything to ignore Palestinian transgressions, acts of war and terror.

      Your Honour, I have been accused of kidnapping these women, chaining them in my basement and repeatedly raping them for months on end. But I turn to the Court to have these women put on trial for rejecting my Plan. I demand a huge price from them.
      These women made a massive mistake when they rejected my Plan.
      Of course, all the useful idiot females in the courtroom will do everything to ignore the transgressions - acts of violence and hate - committed against me by these women.

  • Ten days of awe: standing with whom?
    • || jon s: ... I certainly understand -and respect- the Palestinian opposition to Zionism. It would have been strange had they not actively opposed it, despite the fact that mainstream Zionist leaders and thinkers envisaged living in peace with the Palestinian population, not displacing it. ||

      Actually, it is strange that Palestinians actively opposed a Zionism that ensured justice, accountability and equality for all non-Jewish and Jewish citizens of, immigrants to and expats and refugees from geographic Palestine.

      Oh, wait, that's because such a Zionism never existed. Zionism has always been about Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      So I guess it's not so strange that Palestinians actively opposed a Zionism that promised to:
      - subjugate them and relegate them to second-class status in a religion-supremacist state; or
      - ethnically cleanse them from their homes and lands.

      But you're a Zionist, so you know how it is: Ethnic cleansing is "currently not necessary" but, sometimes, it's a "necessary evil".

  • Why the split inside the Democratic Party over BDS needs to happen
    • || jon s: As you should know by now ... Jews are not “interlopers” in the Jewish historic homeland. ... ||

      As you should know by now, geographic Palestine was not and is not the "historic homeland" of every person in the world who chooses to acquire and/or hold the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      If those Jews who...
      - migrated to and colonized geographic Palestine;
      - ethnically cleansed part of its indigenous population from it;
      - refused to allow refugees to return to it;
      - established a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in it;
      - proceeded to colonize outside of their state's / Partition borders; and
      - continue to commit a never-ending series of (war) crimes,
      ...are not interlopers, they are at the very least hateful and immoral supremacists.

  • Is Yiddish the language of the Jewish soul?
    • || Mooser: ... But Judaism is divided into at least three incompatible, never reconciled “denominations” not to mention several more antagonistic sects and extremist sects espousing violence. There’s no religious unity, no agreed-upon liturgy and a very confused, uncodified morality. No centralized authourity, and no hierarchy. ... ||

      Superglue ain't what it used to be... :-(

    • || Naftush: Re Hebrew ... It was and remains the Jewish national superglue. ||

      Judaism is necessarily the "Jewish national superglue". The religion-based identity of Jewish would not exist without it.

  • 'I will make half of you disabled and let the other half push wheelchairs' -- Israeli commander to Palestinians
  • Jews have religious commandment to support Israel and fight BDS -- American Jewish Committee
    • || JeffB: @Eljay ... Your argument is that Zionism is false therefore Zionism is false. That’s a small circle. ... ||

      The size of the circle has no bearing on the fact that foreign nationals are not exiles to be "ingathered".

      || ... Mere asserting that God’s wrong and you are right is a rather flimsy argument. ||

      Unlike you, I'm not basing my argument on the words the early adopters of the religion-based identity of Jewish conveniently put into the mouth of their "god".

    • || JeffB: ... There should be clear understanding that Israelis have no more intention of losing their freedom than any other country. ... ||

      Like all Zionists, JeffB spends a lot of time saying Israelis and Israel when he really means Jews and (religion-supremacist) "Jewish State".

      || ... Attacking the domestic Jewish population assists on the ingathering of the exiles. ... ||

      Jewish citizens of foreign countries - people who have chosen to acquire and/or hold the religion-based identity of Jewish, living in their respective homelands all over the world - are not exiles from Israel, they are foreign nationals. "Ingathering" these foreign nationals into Israel is nothing more than preferential immigration granted by a religion-supremacist state to those who share the religion-based identity.

      There are no Israeli exiles to "ingather". There are, however, many non-Jewish Israeli refugees to repatriate. But these Israelis represent a "demographic threat" to the religion-supremacist "Jewish State", so Israel and Zionists have no use for them.

    • || Boris: ... And it is the Jews who are indigenous to the Land of Israel AKA Palestine. ||

      Jewish is a religion-based identity. There is no "Land of Israel". Palestinians - non-Jews and Jews alike - are the indigenous people of Palestine.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      And I noticed you didn’t answer the question about how the Zionists tricked Emperor Domitian into not understand that Judaea never existed and everyone converted to Judaism originally. ||

      Being Jewish doesn't mean you're Judaean. Being from Judaea doesn't mean you're Jewish. What the Zionists did or did not do to Domitian has no bearing on the fact that Jewish is a religion-based identity that does not require any ties to geographic Palestine.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      In your theory of Jewish being a purely religious based identity with no geographical component tied to Palestine ... ||

      Correct. Jewish is a religion-based identity acquired by:
      - undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - being descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      No ties to the geographical region of Palestine are required.

    • || Boris: ... It is typically non-Jews who will tell you that you are Jewish, whether you like it or not. ||

      But it's typically Zionist Jews who will measure a Jew's Jewishness, whether he likes it or not.

      I don't understand why Zionists hate Jews so much.

    • || Mooser: ... “3. To what lengths does Mr. Harris expect Jews to go in order to “reaffirm” their commitment to a “Jewish State”?”

      To what lengths can Mr. Harris go to compel us to do these things? ||

      I suppose it depends on the strength of his commitment to the "Jewish State".

    • || Boris: @eljay

      There are plenty of atheists who call themselves Jews. So much for your first argument. ... ||

      An atheist can call himself whatever he wants. If he calls himself Jewish, it's for one of two reasons:
      - he underwent a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - he is descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      So much for your first rebuttal.

      || ... As for the rest – they are not even worth a comment. ||

      And yet you commented. So much for the rest of your rebuttal.

    • || Boris: ... anybody who knows a bit of history would understand where the truth is. ||

      The truth:
      - Jewish is a religion-based identity, acquired by undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism or being descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      - The religion-based identity of Jewish does not comprise a right to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in geographic Palestine (or anywhere else in the world).

      - Geographic Palestine is not the ancestral land of all people in the world - of citizens of homelands all over the world - who choose to be/come Jewish.

      - Geographic Palestine is the ancestral land of its indigenous Muslim, Christian, Jewish, etc. Palestinian population and people up to n-generations removed from it (incl. refugees).

    • ... Here’s the letter from David Harris

      This New Year, let the shofar’s sound serve as a wake-up call—a reminder of our responsibility as Jews and a chance to reaffirm our commitment to the Jewish homeland.

      1. What "responsibility" do Jews have "as Jews"?

      2. Why does Mr. Harris hate Jews so much that he expects all Jews - even those who have not committed to it - to "reaffirm" their commitment to a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" construct that is unjust, immoral and hypocritical?

      3. To what lengths does Mr. Harris expect Jews to go in order to "reaffirm" their commitment to a "Jewish State"? Is it enough for Jews to provide vocal support? Monetary support? Military support? Should Jews engage in blackmail, terrorism and/or murder in order to "reaffirm" their commitment to the "Jewish State"?

      4. What does Mr. Harris think of Jews who choose not "reaffirm" their commitment to a "Jewish State" because it is an unjust, immoral and hypocritical construct?

  • Released from PA jail, Issa Amro warns online censorship law threatens last line of defense against Israel
  • Netanyahu, say hi from me to the penguins in Antarctica
  • Read Netanyahu's UN speech, which praises Trump to the skies and matches his North Korea hyperbole on Iran
    • || Arafatbastard: Iran is in Syria. It’s not playing Candy Crush there. ||

      You're right: It's working to re-stabilize a sovereign state deliberately destabilized and devastated by war-mongering America and its terrorist allies.

    • Bibi and Trump are different flavours of f*cking nuts.

      ... I haven’t yet visited Antarctica, but one day I want to go there too because I’ve heard that penguins are also enthusiastic supporters of Israel. ...

      Who told the King of Israel that penguins are hateful and immoral Zionists?

      ... You laugh, but penguins have no difficulty recognizing that some things are black and white, are right and wrong. ...

      I thought I-P was all about "nuances" and complex "narratives". When did it become "black and white" like penguins?

  • Elisha Wiesel's Rosh Hashanah remembrance
    • || Mooser @ September 20, 2017, 12:44 pm ||

      I think jon s is saying that:
      - he's at peace with his Zionist belief in a "Jewish State" and absolution for (war) crimes committed; and
      - it's up to others to reconcile their truths to his Zionism.

    • ... Now there is a reflection by Wiesel’s son, Elisha, in the Forward on the first Rosh Hashanah since his father’s passing last year. Again respect is due. Each one of us has a right to remember his or her father in the way we need to. ...

      One can respect Elisha Wiesel's right to remember his father in the way he needs to. One does not owe the rose-tinted remembrance any respect.

      Elie Wiesel was a Zionist and, like all Zionists, he was a hypocrite who believed that the religion-based identity of Jewish comprises a right:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      The world can do with a lot less of that sort of "painfully human and profoundly spiritual being".

    • || jon s: ... May it be a year of peace and reconciliation. ||

      May it be a year of justice, accountability and equality.

  • How Netanyahu's son became the poster boy for white supremacists
    • || W.Jones: ” Zionism falls in the anti-Judaic camp”.
      With this statement, I thought JeffB was being antiZionist until I read the rest. ||

      It was a teaser, kind of like a Zionist saying:

      Colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism are unjust and immoral...
             [long pause]
      ...unless they're done by Jews.

  • Video: Once thriving Palestinian valley destroyed by wastewater from Israeli settlements
    • ... Abu Adham continues: “The occupation prevents us from planting any trees or new saplings, it’s not allowed. Any building… it’s banned, banned, banned, everything is banned. Even small stone walls, if you build, they will destroy it. If you plant a sapling they will uproot it. If you put up a tent, they will destroy it and throw it away. This is the occupation and what they do. We’re in a terrible dilemma, really terrible.” ...

      Fear not - Zionist JeffB offers a simple solution: If you stop "acting like a demographic threat" and start acting "like Israelis", "Jewish Israelis will breed" with you and "then you have a real viable one state solution".

  • 'Regime instability' in Iran is aim of leading Israel advocate's memo to White House
    • || jonjames: The last thing the world needs is Iran with nuclear weapons. They are allied with North Korea. ... ||

      The last thing the world needs is Israel with nuclear weapons: It is allied with Saudi Arabia and, like, North Korea, it has threatened the use of nukes.

  • Jewish state of Israel has become Jewish 'city-state' of Tel Aviv -- Rahm Emanuel
    • || Nathan: ... In any case, the only question that one should ask in journalism is the veracity of the statement. ... ||

      If "the veracity of the statement" were all that mattered in journalism, Zionism - the statement that people who choose to be Jewish are entitled...
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them,
      ...would long ago have been thoroughly discredited.

      || ... The point of the article, apparently, is to restate the view that Zionism must be abandoned ... ||

      The point of the article is a supposition based on Mr. Emanuel's (at times anti-Semitic) comments:

      This mashup of ideas — Jews in the U.S. are the most powerful Jewish community in the history of the world; they have an obligation to advocate for the undocumented and refugees and African-Americans; the Jewish state has shrunk to Tel Aviv; Palestinians are the majority throughout most of the land — seems to me to have an inevitable conclusion. Jews should start pushing for democracy in Israel and Palestine. They’d have to abandon Zionism to do so.

    • || Mooser: ... There is an important principle of self-determination involved here. Nothing must be permitted to prevent Zionist Israel from shrinking to its proper, natural size. ||

      Why Tel Aviv, though? What happened to shrinking to (next year in) Jerusalem?

    • ... When I was growing up ... [there was] the sense that we were going to explore, and go everywhere, from Beersheba in the Negev to Kiryat Shmona and everything between, and Jews are going to be everywhere. We’re going to go and populate the land of Israel. Today, you have gone from a nation-state to a city-state, where everybody’s coming in to Tel Aviv and Jews are not even a majority in certain parts of Israel or even near a majority. ...

      Rahm must not have gotten the memo from Miri Regev: “Fifty years ago, we returned to Judea, Samaria, the Jordan Valley and the Golan. We returned home to our ancestral lands, and we are here to stay for all of eternity. … “

      Cheer up, Rahm.

      ... If you look at Jewish history, never has the Jewish community been more influential, more powerful, in the history of the Jewish community in America ... And I believe as a Jewish American — I’m an elected official — we are of more influence economically, politically, culturally, than in any other place in the world in world history ... We, as American Jews ... are in a position of influence ...

      Rahm must not have gotten the memo that attributing power and influence to "the Jews" - in this case, the "Jewish community in America" - is anti-Semitic.

      Shame on you, Rahm. Why do you hate Jews so much?!

  • Israeli government to celebrate 50 years of 'return to Judea and Samaria for eternity' at a settlement
    • Israel will hold a large-scale event in late September to mark 50 years to the “return to the historical lands of Judea and Samaria, the Jordan Valley and the Golan Heights.” ...

      ... “To the different forces in the world and in Israel trying to undermine the Jewish people’s connection to its country, we say — you won’t succeed,” Culture and Sport Minister Miri Regev said. ...

      AFAIK, no-one is trying to undermine the "connection" Jewish people may have to geographic Palestine. Colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" - the unjust and immoral by-product of these "connections" - is a different matter.

      ... “Fifty years ago, we returned to Judea, Samaria, the Jordan Valley and the Golan. We returned home to our ancestral lands, and we are here to stay for all of eternity. ... "

      Eternity is a heckuva lot longer than a Thousand Years. To the Zionist forces in the world and in Israel trying to prop up their unjust and immoral by-product in geographic Palestine, I say — you won't succeed.

  • New York TV stations smear Roger Waters-- who praises BDS as 'one of most admirable pieces of resistance world has seen'
    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      I’m going to keep trying. ... ||

      And you're going to keep failing.  :-(

      || ... So sorry joke doesn’t work at all. ... ||

      Joke? I don't see what's amusing about the fact that Jordan is the world's only Jordanian state.

    • || Arby: He may or not have a problem with Jews. ... He has NO PROBLEM with human rights. ||

      And that makes him a big problem for Zionists, Zionism and their colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" project, all of whom/which despise the inconvenience of human rights.

    • || Ms. Reality: Jordan also denies rights to Palestinian Arabs. ... ||

      Shame on you for singling out Jordan, the world's only Jordanian state. Clearly you have a problem with Jordanians.

  • Israeli rightist Smotrich lays out the vision for apartheid
    • || Nathan: ... It would be rather difficult to convince the Israeli public to give up on the Jewish state ... ||

      1. Would it really be "rather difficult" to convince non-Jewish Israelis - 20% of the Israeli public - to give up on a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" construct that defines them and treats them as second-class citizens? Or when you say "Israeli public" do you mean "Jews" because they're the only "Israeli public" that matters?

      2. Israelis shouldn't have to give up on religion-supremacist "Jewish State" because Israel shouldn't exist as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in the first place. No state should exist as a supremacist construct of any kind.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      I’ll take your change of subject as “yes I agree that simple example does prove my definition for nation doesn’t work at all”. ||

      You can take my worked-through example for exactly what it is: A demonstration of how I believe nationality should work and why a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel fails on all counts.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay ... That’s a circular definition. It doesn’t even make sense. ... ||

      Makes perfect sense.

      || ... Let’s work through an example. ... ||

      Sure: The indigenous population of the geographic region of Palestine decides that it wishes to self-determine as an autonomous state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally. The resulting state is Palestine, the nationality is Palestinian and all citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees hold Palestinian national rights.

      The "Jewish State" of Israel fails on all counts.

    • || JeffB: ... Irish Americans do not have Irish national rights in America. They do have American national rights. ... ||

      And rightly so, because they're American.

      || ... American Jews do not have Jewish national rights. They do have American national rights. ... ||

      And rightly so, because they're American.

      || ... Ethnic Palestinians will have Israeli national rights. They will not have Palestinian national rights in Israel. ... ||

      I agree that ethnic Palestinians who are Israeli citizens should have Israeli national rights.

      || ... The Jews have Jewish national rights in Israel. ... ||

      Like Palestinians, Jews in Israel should have Israeli national rights. A "Jewish State" of Israel - a state which grants Jewish national rights to its Jewish citizens and to non-citizen Jews but not to its non-Jewish citizens - is a religion-supremacist construct that has no right to exist.

      || ... The Palestinians currently have Palestinian national rights in Gaza and may one day enjoy Palestinian national rights in Jordan. ... ||

      Palestinians are entitled to Palestinian national rights in Gaza if Gaza is part of a state of Palestine. They would only be entitled to Palestinian national rights in Jordan if Jordan were to become part of the state of Palestine.

    • || JeffB: @Eljay

      That has nothing to do with the question. ... ||

      I quoted a statement you made - not a question you asked - and commented on it.

      || ... You don’t meaningfully support any national rights, I’m not even sure if you acknowledge that nations even exist apart from states. The question then is under your philosophy what’s so horrible about option (1) in the above? ||

      IMO: Unlike tribal / religious / ethnic / cultural groupings (sometimes referred to as nations or peoples), nationalities arise from states. States arise from the self-determination of the people living within (and perhaps also up to n-generations removed from) a geographic region. Jewish is therefore neither a nationality nor a state. People who choose to be Jewish hold the nationalities of the states to which they belong.

    • || Mooser: I’ve always loved the way Zionists say “state” as if that makes Israel one of the superpowers. As if the word “state” frees Israel of all natural, political or demographic consequences. ||

      "State" may not make Israel all-powerful, but "Jewish State" apparently does.

      Just look at how Israel is able to cripple the international community by transforming legitimate criticism of its oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and supremacist actions into "anti-Semitism".

    • || yonah fredman: Ben Gurion was as responsible as any single human for the birth of Israel and as such, his will and devotion were quite extraordinary. ... ||

      As were his colonialism and supremacism.

      || ... We had no state and now we have a state. ... ||

      The religion-based identity of Jewish didn't and doesn't comprise a right to a state. Jewish citizens of states all over the world already had and have their respective states.

    • || JeffB: ... If living without national rights is a big deal then the Jews everywhere on the planet had good reason to flee to Palestine and your attempts to once again deny them their national rights are colonial oppression. ||

      Jewish is a religion-based identity. The religion-based identity of Jewish does not grant to those who choose to hold it a right:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine or anywhere else; or
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

    • Subjugate, cleanse or kill: That's the Zionist way.

  • Israeli settlers raid two Palestinian villages, destroying 70 olive trees
    • Zionists don't get enough satisfaction from routinely doing evil within Israel's / Partition borders and against not-Jews, so they also routinely do evil outside of its borders in not-Israel and against not-Israelis.

      Zionists are truly hateful and immoral people.

  • Hundreds of US rabbis blast 'betrayal' by Israel over western wall, but not a word about West Bank wall
    • ... Nearly 600 Conservative rabbis and leaders, most of them North American, wrote a letter to Benjamin Netanyahu expressing “dismay, anger and sense of betrayal” over official discrimination against non-Orthodox Jews ...

      But of course this choir never gathers to express dismay, anger and betrayal over the occupation or discrimination against Palestinians. It really is about, What’s good for the Jews? The letter is explicit about Israel being democratic, but only for Jews ...

      Excerpts:

      Mr. Prime Minister, we are Zionists. ...

      Zionist rabbis stand behind Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. Go figure.

  • Deja vu: Israeli Labor pol urges U.S. to take on 'axis of evil'
    • If possessing nukes, developing a strong economy, being a "conventional warfare" country and frightening other countries are valid reasons for attacking / destabilizing / demolishing a sovereign nation, Mr. Margalit had better add the U.S., China and Israel to the list of states to be taken down.

  • Ayelet Shaked and the fascist ideology
    • || RoHa: ... When the Palestinians weren’t fighting off the mosquitoes, they exported huge quantities of the fine oranges they had developed, and the splendid olive oil soap they made. ||

      Oranges and soap are nice, but given the billions upon billions of dollars the Palestinians received from the U.S. over the decades - along with unwavering military, political and economic support - one would think they could have at least developed cherry tomatoes and Intel chips.

    • || Kaisa of Finland: To Eljay and RoHa:

      Onnellinen mies = A happy man ... ||

      Paljon kiitoksia.  :-)

    • || Kaisa of Finland: Eljay: ...

      In Finnish you could use the expression of: “You have definitely not gotten all the Moomins in the Valley..” ... ||

      I like the saying and the image. :-)

      I can't imagine that JeffB's Zionist mind is anywhere near as bright and happy as Moominvalley. ;-)

    • || JeffB: ... Mass migrations often involve violence. There is nothing unusual in that. ... Obviously the Jews would have preferred their mass migration didn’t involve violence but certainly they understood when they undertook it that violence might result. Attempting to do something peacefully with the understanding violence might be necessary doesn’t contradict a plan that violence was a response.

      Say for example a police officer attempts to apprehend a violent felon. The felon resists, the police officer grabs his nightstick and beats him into submission. The office didn’t initiate the violence but he understood that his actions might result in violence. ... ||

      Comparing...
      - the plan of Jewish supremacists (Zionists) to steal, occupy and colonize Palestine and establish in it a religion-supremacist "Jewish State";
      - to a (presumably well-intentioned) police officer attempting to apprehend a violent felon,
      ...is amusing for how utterly and Zionistically f*cked up it is.

      The more accurate comparison is the plan of the rapist to kidnap women and chain them in his basement. Kidnappings often involve violence. There is nothing unusual in that. Obviously the rapist would have preferred his kidnappings didn’t involve violence but certainly he understood when he undertook them that violence might result.

      And violence did result. But Zionists will tell you that the blame lies not with the rapist but with every ungrateful bitch who put up a fight.

      As JeffB continues to demonstrate, Zionists are truly hateful and immoral people.

    • || JeffB: ... While disagreeing strongly with your rhetoric … Yes from a utilitarian perspective the least bad most human option is to allow the process to play out. Unless you can come up with a more humane option that can actually be implemented, that is implemented by the people who live their not imaginary people that don’t, you are arguing for more death and more destruction than allowing this process to play out. ||

      The "utilitarian" process you insist should "play itself out" argues for more death and more destruction.

      I advocate justice, accountability, reform and equality. I understand how these things might be disturbing to someone who defends colonialism and supremacism.

    • || andrew r: ... Apologists for Zionism tend to stand on the moral highground that the Zionist movement was forced into violence because of the other side. ... ||

      And as an apologist for Zionism, that's exactly what JeffB does:

      ... If the Palestinians keep acting like a demographic threat, they will be perceived as a demographic threat and the Israeli nation will defensively crush them further. If the Palestinians act like Israelis they won't be a perceived as a demographic threat and the Jewish Israelis will breed with them and then you have a real viable one state solution because there is very quickly (in historical terms) one nation. ...

      If that bitch in the basement keeps acting like a threat, she will be perceived as a threat and the rapist will defensively brutalize her further. If she acts like a lady she won't be perceived as a threat and he will breed with her and then you will have a real viable peace because there is very quickly (in historical terms) one family.

    • || JeffB @ September 13, 2017, 7:11 am ||

      So...the colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist nature and actions of Israel in the 20th and 21st centuries - and in the centuries to come - must be excused and permitted to continue because "if you go back a few centuries" Finland was then how Israel is today.

      Zionism has done a serious number on your brain.

    • || JeffB: ... Why secular when Finland didn’t bother you any? ... ||

      I wasn't aware that Finland is a religion-supremacist "Evangelical Lutheran State".

      || ... As for the rest it is doing that. The process takes time. ||

      The process won't go anywhere as long as Zionist like you insist that Israel must remain a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

    • || JeffB: ... do I support allowing Israel to work through the situational problems that have caused it to drift a bit towards fascism or would I rather see the society completely destroyed and replaced with an alien hostile society? And the answer is absolutely I would rather it be given time and help to work through the situational problems. Portugal under Salazar was fascist and there was no need to destroy Portugal. The fascist government was a rather good one that worked for the benefit of the Portuguese people and the world. Iraq was unquestionably a fascist society, a rather negative one, and I certainly would have preferred it could have been reformed rather than destroyed. ... ||

      I don't think there's any need to destroy Israel but it does need to reform...
      - from a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews;
      - into a secular and democratic Israeli state of and for all of its Israeli citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

      Israel also needs to address its other "situational problems" including its deliberate and unapologetic colonialism and (war) criminal behaviour.

      Unfortunately, neither Israel nor Zionists seem in any hurry to do anything about its "situational problems".

    • Zionism is supremacism. Zionists believe that the religion-based identity of Jewish grants to those who choose to hold it the right:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

  • 'Voice of boycott' was heard in Montgomery and South Africa, why not Israel? Roger Waters writes in 'NYT'
    • || Emet: Annie, I am sure the Rohingya Muslims appreciate your “Twitter activism”. ... ||

      And I have no doubt that they love the way you:
      - deflect attention away from the unjust and immoral actions of the Myanmarian government (Sure, Myanmar is bad...but let's not forget North Korea, Saudi Arabia and Israel!); and
      - insist that Myanmar, the world's only Myanmarian state, shouldn't be singled out for criticism.

    • || Emet @ September 15, 2017, 6:45 am ||

      That's not a "truth sandwich" - that's a pure whataboutism sandwich. The problem of North Korea isn't solved by deflecting attention to Israel. The problem of Israel isn't solved by deflecting attention to Myanmar.

      You Zionists need to stop blaming everyone and everything other than yourselves for the past and on-going acts of injustice and immorality you chose and continue to choose to commit.

      Bon appétit.

    • || Emet: ... Rodger Walters ... ||

      Who's he?

      || ... Rodgers ... ||

      Who's he?

      || ... Can someone please explain to me why the likes of Rodgers, Weiss and others are so willing to simply ignore the violent reality of the Arab world? ||

      Who knows? Maybe they see Israel ignoring the violent reality of the Arab world and cozying up to Saudi Arabia so they figure it can't be all that bad.

      IMO neither the violent reality of the Arab world nor the oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist reality of the "Jewish State" should be ignored.

  • Rightwing campaign against Jewish exec who called for exposing Nakba seems likely to fail
    • || Nathan: Eljay – You very often repeat the mantra that “Jewish is a religion-based identity”. ... ||

      That's because it is a religion-based identity, acquired by:
      - undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - being descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      || ... However, more importantly, it is worth pointing out to you that someone else’s identity is not in need of your approval or understanding. ... ||

      I never said it was, so there's no value in pointing it out to me. But if it makes you feel good about yourself, go ahead and point it out.

      || ... You can insist that the Jews are a religious community ... ||

      I don't insist that "the Jews"* are a religious community.

      (*I've been told by Zionists that the collective term "the Jews" is anti-Semitic and yet they seem to have no qualm about using it. Why do Zionists insist on hating Jews so much?!)

      || ... but there are millions of Jews who see themselves as one of the peoples of this world. ... ||

      Good for them. But that doesn't entitle them to a supremacist state or to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

    • || Nathan: ... Many people on this site seem to believe that there is some point in proving that the Jews are converts (and not the Israelites of the Bible). ... ||

      Many Zionists seem to believe that there is some point in proving that the religion-based identity of Jewish turns people into Ancient Israelites.

      What matters is that:
      - Jewish is a religion-based identity; and
      - the religion-based identity of Jewish does not comprise a right to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in Palestine (or anywhere else).

      || ... The aspiration to return is built-in (“next year in Jerusalem”). One could “prove” that it’s all a fable, and it makes no difference whatsoever. Israel has come into existence, and it has happened already a long time ago. ||

      The rapist's long-held aspiration to kidnap the object of his obsessions, chain her in his basement and rape her is built-in ("next year in Geri Salem!"). One could "prove" that it's all in his head, and it makes no difference whatsoever. The rape scenario has come into existence, and it has happened already many months ago.

    • || RoHa: JeffB says it, so it must be official. The majority of American Jews share the immoral and crackpot ideas of the Zionists.

      (I’m pretty sure that I wouldn’t be allowed to get away with such a slur, even if it is true. But JeffB has said it.) ||

      Here's another thing JeffB said that you and I wouldn't be allowed to get away with:

      There is nothing anti-Semitic with blaming Jews for stuff that Jews institutionally support. … Not holding the Jews responsible for Jewish policy on the excuse that “well some Jews didn’t agree” is denying them agency. …

      And there's also this gem:

      Jews in America have chosen to identify with and institutionally support Israel. While not Israeli, they are cousins. As such they get some degree of collective credit for Israelis achievements and some degree of blame for Israel’s failings.

    • || Nathan: ... Neither the JVP nor Mondoweiss is critical of Israel ... ||

      Dunno about JVP, but MW offers plenty of valid and constructive criticism for Israel, including:
      - End the on-going and illegal occupation and colonization of not-Israel.
      - Respect international law and allow refugees to return to their homes and lands.
      - Reform the state from religion-supremacist to secular and democratic.

      Unfortunately, this valid and constructive criticism of Israel is viewed by Zionists as an attack on:
      - their unjust and immoral belief that people who choose hold the religion-based identity of Jewish are entitled to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - their colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" project.

      || ... One shouldn’t confuse criticism and hostility. Perhaps an example could help differentiate between the terms. ... ||

      You're right: One shouldn't confuse the terms. But Zionists do just that because they are supremacists.

      Perhaps an example could help differentiate between the terms: A man routinely beats his wife. His friends tell him to get counselling for his anger management issues, provide him with references and warn him that they'll call the cops if he continues with the assaults. The wife-beater is infuriated by the "hostility" of his friends because his wife belongs to him and he's entitled to do with her as he damned well pleases.

    • || JeffB @ September 11, 2017, 10:26 am ||

      Wow, that's a lot of words just to say that in your view Israel should continue to exist as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

    • || JeffB: ... In the mainstream Jewish community the idea that Israel is and should be Jewish the way France is French is not controversial. ... ||

      France is French so Israel should be Israeli - that's not controversial.
      France is French so "Israel is and should be Jewish" - that's Zionist.

      || ... The belief that Jews are entitled to a state is not controversial. ... ||

      It's a shame that the "mainstream Jewish community" is comprised of Jewish supremacists (Zionists).

  • Democratic candidate for Illinois gov'r fires his running mate over BDS
    • || Betty: The Jews are the indigenous, native people of the Land of Israel ... ||

      Not all people who chose/choose to be Jewish were/are indigenous to Palestine. There is a state known as Israel, but there is no "Land of Israel".

      || ... As long as you define the problem as either/or, winner/loser, you are not on the side of peace. ... ||

      As long as you Zionists keep insisting that Jews are entitled to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine, you are on the side of injustice and immorality.

    • ... I strongly support a two-state solution. I support Israel’s right to exist, and I support Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people. I also care deeply about justice for Palestinians ...

      He cares deeply about justice for Palestinians...as long as it doesn't affect Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. Bra.vo.

  • 'Nazi stuff': The Israeli government takes on African refugees
    • || catalan: blahblahblah ||

      How is it that you - according to your comments archive - can be in some measure responsible for America's defence budget, but Zionists cannot be in any measure responsible for the actions of their colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state?

      More to the point: What responsibility were you referring to when you said that younger Jews (but not older Jews) shouldn't bear responsibility for Israel's actions?

    • || catalan @ September 7, 2017, 10:13 pm ||

      First, I need to correct something I wrote:
      - In my reply to your original comment I wrote "Zionists bear all responsibility" for Israel's actions.
      - In response to your follow-up comment, I mistakenly wrote "All Zionists bear some degree of responsibility" for Israel's actions.

      I stand by my original assertion that Zionists bear all responsibility for Israel's actions. And I will add that some Zionists bear more responsibility than others.

      || ... I don’t think that people have any responsibility to hold a set of beliefs or not to hold one. ... ||

      That's nice, but the discussion wasn't about the right to hold beliefs, it was about who should be responsible for Israel's actions. You say that it shouldn't be younger Jews (but you don't say that it shouldn't be older Jews). I say that it should be Zionists (Jewish or not).

    • || catalan: ... Several questions ... ||

      A Zionist is a person who believes that people who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish are entitled to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. All Zionists bear some degree of responsibility for the past and on-going (war) crimes committed on behalf of Zionism. Some bear a greater degree of responsibility than others. Responsibility could (and IMO should) include prison time, reparations, etc. - the sorts of things you think "younger Jews" shouldn't have to bear.

      Speaking of which, I have a couple of questions for you. The implication of your comment "I don’t see why younger Jews ... should bear any responsibility for what Israel does or does not do" is that older Jews should have to bear that responsibility.
      1. Why do you want to hold older Jews and not Zionists responsible for the actions of Israel?
      2. What sort of responsibility do you think older Jews should have to bear?

      || ... you mentioned ones that you think I should be kicked out of the United States because I was once illegal, even though I have lived here for 20 years, paid taxes, worked, and have a kid who is an American citizen. ... ||

      No, I did not say you "should be kicked out of the United States". You wrote:

      ... Many break immigration laws, myself included. ...

      And I replied:

      And they and you should be held accountable - not celebrated or rewarded- for your unlawful behaviour.

      I did not specify what form that accountability should take. Do you think it should be less than, comparable to or greater than the responsibility you feel older Jews should bear?

    • || catalan: ... I don’t see why younger Jews (I was born in the early 1970s) should bear any responsibility for what Israel does or does not do. ... ||

      Zionists should bear all responsibility for what Israel's actions. Non-Zionist Jews should not bear any responsibility. The problem is that Zionists insist on anti-Semitically conflating Israel and Zionism with all Jews. More cannon-fodder for when the blowback hits.

    • || @Br @ September 5, 2017, 10:39 pm ||

      The list of countries the "moral beacon" and "light unto the nations" state of Israel isn't quite as bad as continues to grow: Saudi Arabia, Mali, African "hell-holes", 19th-century America and, now, China.

      It's strange how Zionists take tremendous pride not in being just or moral but simply in being less shitty than other, shittier people.

    • Ayelet Shaked:

      ... She said that individual rights are important, but not when they are “disconnected from our national goals, from our identity, from our history, from our Zionist challenges.” And finally, she issued a threat: “Zionism should not – and I’m saying here that it will not – continue to bow its head to a system of individual rights interpreted in a universalist manner.” ...

      Individual rights are great except for when they get in the way of Jewish supremacism in/and the colonialist and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" construct.

      Zionists truly are hateful and immoral people.

  • No free speech in Palestine: PA arrests journalist, internationally-renowned peace activist for Facebook posts
    • || eljay: ... Zionists seem to think that being less evil than someone else is the same thing as being good. ||

      Edit: ... Zionists seem to think that being less (or differently) evil than someone else is the same thing as being good.

    • || Jack Green: ... Hamas murders gays.
      Israel doesn’t. ... ||

      The serial killer murders people.
      The rapist doesn't.

      The child molester molests little children.
      The rapist doesn't.

      The wife beater beats his wife.
      The rapist doesn't.

      Zionists seem to think that being less evil than someone else is the same thing as being good.

    • The Palestinian Authority needs to stop emulating the practices of "Jewish State" and start upholding the ideals of justice, accountability and equality.

  • Going veg
    • || Jackdaw: ... Nerves of steel, this one. ||

      Must be because he doesn't have any Zionist-issue Captain Israel underpants.

    • || Arafatbastard: ... How sad that so many of those who comment under stories are actually just Jew-haters. ||

      Yup, you Zionists sure are.

    • I became vegetarian over 11 years ago. It was a personal, ethical choice. I've never thrown it in anyone's face but for some reason whenever people find out that I'm vegetarian they inevitably do one or both of the following:
      - They (guiltily?) view my vegetarianism as some sort of personal challenge so they mention that, really, they don't eat much meat either (regardless of how much they actually consume). It's pointless because i) I couldn't care less and ii) they have every intention of continuing to consume meat.
      - They feel the need to point out vegetarian options in restaurant menus. They may think they're being helpful, but in fact they're just being annoying. I'm vegetarian, not blind or illiterate.

  • Eisner and Greenblatt refuse to see Israel's face in Richard Spencer's mirror
    • || yonah fredman: As we get further away from the root causes of Zionism ... Zionism must stand on its own as a present tense and future outlook.

      In terms of the present and future, the fear of most Zionists is not that Israel will turn into a cosmopolitan, all are welcome state, but into a Muslim, Jews are not welcome state. ... ||

      Zionism was supremacism in the past and Zionism continues to be supremacism in the present. For Zionism to remain Zionism, it must continue to be supremacism into the future.

      And in order for Israel - a state that was conceived and established as a religion-supremacist, Jews are very but others are not quite so welcome state - to remain a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine, the present tense and future outlook of Zionism remains unjust and immoral.

    • Jewish supremacism (Zionism) and White supremacism are related brands of evil. Zionists and White supremacists believe that they are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      Spencer is the equivalent of a hard-core Zionist: Unapologetically hateful and immoral. Eisner is the equivalent of a "liberal White supremacist": A "kinder, gentler" hypocrite.

  • Gideon Levy calls out Israel's fundamental, racist religion: Zionism
    • || catalan: ... Shouting “you are bad and I am just so much better than you” ... changes nothing. Actually, people have a way of responding poorly to insults. ||

      You make a good case for why Zionists and the "Jewish State" of Israel should heed this bit of advice.

    • || Jack Green: Eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... What’s criminal about Zionism? ||

      The (war) criminal stuff is criminal.
      The colonialist stuff is colonialist
      And the religion-supremacist stuff is supremacist.

    • || Nathan: ... in the end, Zionism became an incredible success story. Quite unexpectedly, it actually fulfilled its ideology of ... ||

      ...establishing a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of geographic Palestine.

      It is truly an incredible story of the success of injustice and immorality that Zionism was able to accomplish this blatantly and unapologetically colonialist, (war) criminal and supremacist feat in a post-WWII era and with the support of the U.S. and other Western nations.

    • || Jack Green: ... In the last 40 years, Israel has annexed ZERO land. ||

      Frustrating, isn't it? But remember: In the last ~70 years, Israel has stolen, occupied and colonized most of Palestine. Annexation might be a bit dicey right now what with all those non-Jews who have refused to be subjugated, cleansed and/or killed, but it's only a matter of time. Don't lose hope, ZioJack.

  • Changing the narrative, from BDS to antifa
    • || Nathan: ... Zionism is not about the need for self-defence. ... ||

      - It's about self-defence / it's not about self-defence.
      - It's about the Holocaust / it's not about the Holocaust.
      - It's about Judaism / it's not about Judaism.
      - Israel is a "moral beacon" / Israel isn't as bad as Saudi Arabia, etc.
      - Israel is a democracy / Israel is a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

      Zionists can't even agree on why it is they're doing the evil they do.

    • || yonah fredman: In theory Zionism is about the Jewish need for self defense through the building of an army centered in Zion. ... I consider the original goal to be worthy and nonracist ... ||

      Zionism has always been about Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. The goal has always been unjust and immoral. There was and is nothing worthy about:
      - the desire to establish a supremacist state;
      - the creation of a supremacist state; or
      - taking measures to ensure that a supremacist state remains supremacist.

  • Israel seeks 'Jewish' non-Jews in numbers battle with Palestinians
    • ... With a pressing shortage of Jews to defeat the Palestinians demographically, the Netanyahu government is considering a desperate solution. The leaked report suggests opening the doors to a new category of “Jewish” non-Jews. According to Haaretz, potentially millions of people worldwide could qualify. The new status would apply to “crypto-Jews”, whose ancestors converted from Judaism; “emerging Jewish” communities that have adopted Jewish practices; and those claiming to be descended from Jewish “lost tribes”. ...

      Zionism goes to great lengths to prove that it stands:
      - for Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - against justice, accountability, international laws, human rights and equality.

  • Teenage girls in Gaza lament a 'double siege'
    • || Jack Green: Eljay ... ||

      Jack.

      || ... If a man decides to move from Chicago to the West Bank which is militarily occupied by Israel, do we say that this man has been transferred? Of course not! ||

      If the man from Chicago has Israel's permission to move to the West Bank - which is militarily-occupied by Israel - and he does so with the intention of helping Israel to colonize it, do we say he's a colonist and that the West Bank is militarily-occupied by Israel? Of course we do!

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