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eljay

I'm a happily-married, vegetarian and atheist Canadian with two wonderful cats. :-)

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  • Voices of the Thousand: Mondoweiss authors tell why they write for us
  • Ibrahim 'the half bodied,' an icon of Gaza skirmishes, loses his other half for Jerusalem
    • || Maghlawatan: I am pretty sure Israel will end with all non Palestinians herded into gaza following capitulation by the IDF. And they will be picked off at will because what goes around comes around. ||

      You may be right, but I really hope you're wrong. The Palestinians would truly be a moral beacon to the world if they were to look to justice, accountability and equality - and not bloodthirsty vengeance - to right the on-going wrongs of the Zionist nightmare.

    • || Naftush: The story has the smell of being too good. ... ||

      In 2008, "Jewish State" Occupation and Oppression Forces goons injure a non-Israeli man in not-Israel.
      In 2017, "Jewish State" Occupation and Oppression Forces goons kill a non-Israeli man in not-Israel.

      I can't imagine what a story that does not have "the smell of being too good" smells like.

  • Israel passes 'anti-infiltration law' to speed up the deportation of African refugees
    • || dimadok: I would re-phrase: Israel interests are focused on self-preservation as independent, sovereign state for all of its citizens, enabling Jewish national self-determination, cultural preservation of all inhabitants and protection of Jewish history and education. ... ||

      That's what I said: Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. You just used more words to say it.

      || ... @Eljay- get over it… ||

      Get over injustice and immorality? No thanks. But I understand why a Zionist like you would ask me to "get over it".

    • || dimadok: ... Unfortunately, it is never enough when it comes to Israel ... ||

      The rapist keeps women chained in his basement where he routinely brutalizes them, but he recently bought them some clean underwear. You'd think that people would finally stop vilifying him but, unfortunately, it's never enough when it comes to the rapist. :-(

      Your lamentations would reek less of aggressor-victimhood if Israel weren't a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.

      || ... and that is precisely why Israel should and does consider its own interests ... ||

      Which are Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

  • 'Leftist' Israeli general threatens to 'tear the Palestinians apart' and 'toss them across the Jordan'
    • Mr. Levin is (or sounds an awful lot like) a hard-core Zionist who takes care of the "necessary evil" in order to secure Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      His softer, "liberal Zionist" co-collectivists may object to his Captain Israel approach to the situation but in the end they "hold their noses" and cheer him on because they, too, desire Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

  • Times super-Zionist Bret Stephens commits fallacy and falsehood, on Jerusalem
    • || Nathan: ... Why does the issue of ancient Israel come up in the discussion here? ... ||

      It comes up for the same reason the issues of ancient "Judea and Samaria" and ancient Hebrews come up: You Zionists raise them to justify the creation in the 20th Century of a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      || ... Even if it would be clear to you that, indeed, there was an ancient Kingdom of Israel, you would still be against the founding of modern Israel. ... ||

      Sure, because carving up Palestine in order to create a religion-supremacist state was an unjust and immoral means to an unjust and immoral end.

      || ... the State of Israel will remain a fact of life ... It exists, and it will fight to maintain its existence. ... ||

      I agree that Israel will remain a fact of life for some time to come*. And I agree that Israel should continue to exist. But unlike you Jewish supremacists, I do not agree that it should continue to exist as a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.
      __________________
      (*Perhaps not the Thousand Years Zionists envision, but for some time at least.)

    • || Sibiriak: ... With all due respect, you are missing the point. I asked why it was so important to assert that “Jewish is, fundamentally, a religion-based identity“, as opposed to an identity fundamentally (or equally) based on non-religious factors? ... ||

      I sincerely respect you and apologize for misunderstanding. So let me try again: I assert that Jewish is, fundamentally, a religion-based identity because that's what I understand it to be. (And by inevitably tying Jews back to religion - which was the comment you originally challenged - Zionists reinforce this understanding.)

      || ... Would a nationality-based supremacist state be any less reprehensible than a religion-based supremacist state? ... ||

      It wouldn't. But my opposition to a "Jewish State" is based - in part at least - on the fact that it is necessarily a religion-supremacist construct.

      || ... It just seems to me that lot of time is wasted — by anti-Zionists –arguing about the exact nature of Jewish identity, when their focus should be on the crimes committed by Zionists. ... ||

      I don't argue the exact nature of Jewish identity. I state my understand of what it is and how it relates to the "Jewish State" construct and it crimes (which are the crimes of Zionists).

    • || Sibiriak: ... I was asking about the importance you attach to the fact that Jewish identity is fundamentally religion-based , what implications you derive from that fact- not the simple meaning of the assertion. ... ||

      It's my turn to act surprised: Really? You needed to ask that? C'mon.

      You've been around MW for quite a while and I'm sure you've read plenty of my posts, so I know that you know that as far as I'm concerned a state - any state - established as the state primarily of and for people throughout the world who choose to...
      - adopt a religion-based identity (by undergoing a religious conversion); or
      - retain a religion-based identity (by accepted the identity that's associated with being descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion),
      ...is and can only be a religion-supremacist construct.

      The notion of a religion-supremacist state may sit well with some people. It may sit well with you. It doesn't sit well with me.

      || ... Okay. It’s just an opinion of yours. But it doesn’t have any particular importance, no specifiable implications, morally, legally, politically, to the conflict in Palestine? ... ||

      As far as I can tell, my opinion has yet to have even the slightest impact on the conflict in I-P. The Zionist opinion, on the other hand, has literally had life-altering impact on the conflict in I-P.

    • || Sibiriak: eljay : It’s self-explanatory.
      —————————-

      No it isn’t. ... ||

      "When push comes to shove even the most ardent Zionist will tie Jews back to religion.": Yup, that's pretty self-explanatory.

      || ... Please explain why you think it is so important that “Jewish is, fundamentally, a religion-based identity“ ... ||

      I don't "think it is so important" that this be so - I'm just stating my opinion that it is so.

      Zionists, however, seem to "think it is so important" because they inevitably tie the identity of Jews back to religion.

      Then again, perhaps Zionists recently acknowledged that the identity can now be acquired...
      - by speaking Hebrew;
      - through a bureauratic process ("Jewish State" citizenship);
      - by being born in "Judea and Samaria"; and/or
      - by adopting some/many/most of the cultural practices of Jews,
      ...and I just missed the memo.

    • || catalan: ... Why is it important to have ancestors who have lived in the proximity of one’s current residence? ||

      It helps to discredit the fraudulent claims of ZiAppropriationists who - despite having ties to the area varying from tenuous to non-existent - insist that other people's residences are actually their "ancient / eternal homesteads".

    • || Nathan: Eljay – You remind us in scores of comments that Jewish identity is a religious identity. ... ||

      I remind you that Jewish is, fundamentally, a religion-based identity. Correct.

      || ... You also have your special grammar in order to refrain from saying “Jews”, apparently for fear of defining the Jews as a collective entity. ... ||

      As I pointed out in this thread, your Comments archive shows that you have the same special grammar and apparently the same fear.

      || ... So, you should be able to handle a polite reminder that no one needs your seal of approval. ... ||

      It's a pointless reminder. I don't need your permission to have or to state an opinion.

      || ... There are Jews who define themselves as a people, even as you protest this identity. ||

      So what? They don't need my permission, remember? But it doesn't matter how Jews choose to define themselves - none of the definitions grants to any Jews the right:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; or
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

    • || Sibiriak: eljay: when push comes to shove even the most ardent Zionist will tie Jews back to religion.
      ——————————–

      So what? ||

      It's self-explanatory.

    • || Nathan: ... Those who disapprove of there being a Jewish homeland will have to learn to live with the fact that no one is asking for their approval. ||

      You keep bringing up this approval thing as though it has meaning. I don't want or need the permission of Jewish supremacists (Zionists) in order to disapprove of their supremacist state or their (war) criminal actions any more than I want or need the permission of rapists and murderers to disapprove of their unjust and immoral behaviours. Jewish supremacists (Zionists), rapists and murderers will have to learn to live with those facts.

    • || Boris: d) Jews identity themselves as a nation independent of their religious convictions. ... ||

      No doubt. But Jewish is a religion-based identity (no Judaism, no Jewish) and when push comes to shove even the most ardent Zionist will tie Jews back to religion.

    • || MHughes976: I think that the following statements are all true
      a) many of the ancestors of today’s Jews lived in what is now called Israel
      b) many of the ancestors of today’s Jews lived elsewhere
      c) many of the ancestors of today’s Palestinians lived in what is now called Israel ... ||

      Agreed. I would add: At least some of the ancestors of today's Palestinians lived elsewhere.

    • ... “What Jerusalem is is the capital of Israel, both as the ancestral Jewish homeland and the modern nation-state. ...

      Israel is a modern nation-state, but it is not and has never been an "ancestral Jewish homeland" - the homeland of every person in the world who embraces the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      Israel sinfully covets Jerusalem and illegally occupies and colonizes it. It is the capital of Israel in much the same way the victim chained in his basement is the rapist's wife.

  • Genocide and American liberals
  • US Reform Jews endorse land theft in Israel and occupied territories
    • ... The Union for Reform Judaism, or URJ, Biennial is the largest gathering of the largest Jewish denomination. ...

      And it, too, favours Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" of Israel.

      (A quick read of some of its position statements suggests that it favours a "kinder, gentler" form of Jewish/State supremacism.)

  • Democrats abandon the resist Trump movement when it comes to Jerusalem
    • || Ms. Reality: ... The Jerusalem announcement does not seem like such a big deal. Israel has had its capital in Jerusalem for a long time. ... ||

      The Wedding announcement doesn't seem like such a big deal, either. The victim has been chained in the rapist's basement - and he's had his "capital" in her - for a long time.

    • || yonah fredman: The partition plan of 1947 declared that for 10 years Jerusalem would be a separate entity. At the end of which Jerusalem could choose its own fate. This 10 year period of separation was not meant to be permanent. This fact is misrepresented here. ||

      At the end of 10 years Jerusalem could choose its own fate. But Israel has been militarily-occupying and colonizing Jerusalem since 1948, making it impossible for the Partition-era inhabitants of the city to freely decide its fate. This 69-year occupation and colonization of Jerusalem contravenes international law. This fact is misrepresented here.

  • Only grassroots activism and global solidarity can bring justice to Palestine
    • || catalan: ... Victimhood? I can’t stop laughing. I own a thriving business and have a terrific job with benefits. I live in one of the richest countries in the world, in a beautiful state. ... ||

      And yet you wrote "So either way I am screwed." Maybe you haven't dodged senility (that might explain the uncontrollable laughter), or maybe you just wanted to make it all about you...again.

      || ... I am just so surprised that you worry about me so much. ... ||

      I'm not worried about you at all. Man, you sure do have a hell of an ego.

      || ... But for the record – I am not a Zionist. ... ||

      If you say so...and you already have.

    • || catalan: I said Zionists will get their due. Eljay
      You said that Zionists will get their due and all the other Jews will suffer too. ... ||

      I did say Zionists will get their due. I did not say "all the other Jews will suffer too".

      || ... So either way I am screwed. ... ||

      Maybe, maybe not. But look at you go: You wasted no time chasing victimhood. Very impressive.

      || ... However, you didn’t specify what the due is ... ||

      That's right, I didn't specify it because - as I already indicated - I have no idea what it is.

    • || catalan: ... Also, eljay says that I will eventually get what is due to me ... ||

      I said Zionists will get their due. According to your Comment archive: "I am not a Zionist" and "I do not view myself as a Zionist".

    • || catalan: ... eljay says that I will eventually get what is due to me. I already knew I was going to die some day, so I can’t imagine what he is referring to. A premature death in the hands of antisemites? Well, that would spare me senility ... ||

      Too late.

  • 'We don't want to pick a side,’ Nikki Haley says. But you just did
    • ... the “new sheriff in town”, as Haley has called herself, is playing agnostic, objective and even-handed – “we don’t want to pick a side”. ...

      She's following in Trump's footsteps of impartiality:

      I’m very pro-Israel. ... People are born with hatred, they’re taught hatred. And I have to say, it’s mostly on the one side, not on the other side. But they’re taught hatred. ... "

      "It serves no purpose to say that you have a good guy and a bad guy. ... it doesn’t help if I start saying– I’m very pro-Israel. Very. More than anybody on the stage. But it doesn’t do any good to start demeaning the neighbors because I would love to do something with regard to negotiating peace peace, finally for Israel, and for their neighbors… As a negotiator, I cannot do that as well if I’m taking big, big sides. With that being said, I am totally pro-Israel."

      “I am a great friend of Israel. I was the Grand Marshal of the Israeli Day Parade… I have so many friends. In fact one of them, one of my great friends — where is Jared, my son-in-law? Where is he? My son-in-law is Jewish, and he’s fantastic … So, there is nobody closer — and Bibi Netanyahu asked me to do a commercial for him, for his campaign. I did a commercial for him.”

  • Trump's Hanukkah gift
    • || dimadok: It cannot be colonized since it was always part of post-1948 Israel. ... ||

      It has always been outside of Israel's / Partition borders and under military occupation by Israel so it can be - and has been - colonized.

    • || dimadok @ December 12, 2017, 3:15 pm ||

      After a silence of almost three years the 'dok returns. Homesickness? A strange gift from ZioHQ? We may never know.

      Regardless, to those who celebrate it: Have a Happy Hannukah! :-)

  • 'My aim is not to resolve the conflict' -- former top Israeli negotiator
    • ... Sher: “ ... my aim is not to resolve the conflict. My aim is to secure a Jewish democratic Israel based on the fundamental principles that are encompassed within our Declaration of Independence of 1948. The basics of the Zionist vision that came true 70 years ago. ...

      The goal of Jewish supremacists (Zionists) was, is and always will be Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      Justice, accountability and equality need not apply.

  • The world's anger toward Trump gives Palestinians a clear path for action
    • || hophmi: Or maybe build a country of your own. You can start by ... ||

      ...imitating the "Jewish State" project and adopting its tactics: Deliberate and unapologetic terrorism, ethnic cleansing, military occupation, oppression, colonialism, torture and murder.

      Defenders of the "Jewish State" will be flattered. And because they aren't hypocrites (right?) you know they won't:
      - "single you out" for criticism; or
      - appeal to the international laws - the ones they spent decades shitting on - to stop you.

  • Trump's Jerusalem speech will foster the liberal Jewish awakening
    • || Nathan: ... The Palestinians dream about defeating the State of Israel (not about becoming citizens of Israel). ||

      They don't dream of becoming second-class citizens in a religion-supremacist "Jewish State of Israel. Can't say I blame them. No-one should aspire to second-class citizenship. And no country should impose second-class citizenship on its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees.

    • ... Whatever Zionism’s idealism and its promise for oppressed Jews, Zionist leaders found that they could not establish and carry forward their vision for a state without touching on religious nationalist chords in their following. They used biblical myths and myths of Jewish peoplehood to inspire Jews to “redeem” the land. They gave political power to rabbis and religious zealots. Whatever their socialist ideals, the Zionists wound up insisting on the need for a Jewish majority ...

      Zionism's promise was Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine. Jewish is a religion-based identity. It's no surprise that Zionists touched on religious nationalist chords and that they insisted on the need for a Jewish majority.

      ... I can’t expect these liberal Zionists to become anti-Zionists tomorrow. But I would urge them to acknowledge that [BDS] is the only thing in the world that is right now putting real pressure on Israel to change. ...

      Liberal Zionists aren't against Jewish supremacism (Zionism) - they just prefer a "kinder, gentler" form of it that allows them to stop "holding their noses". If a "change" to Israel means an end not just to occupation and colonization but to Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State", don't expect to see liberal Zionists transform.

  • Trump's 'Lord Balfour moment' is formal recognition the US was never an honest broker
    • || Mooser: ... Well, I didn’t want to say anything medically incorrect. ||

      I know. I'm sure you'd enjoy having a beer with him as much as I would. :-)

    • || Mooser: ... I see you’re back to wrestling crocodiles ... ||

      RoHa FTW!! :-)

  • Palestinian officials say, Trump 'destroyed' the two-state solution
    • || Mayhem: @eljay, the Jewish people have the right to decide that Jerusalem is as significant as it is. ... ||

      Jews can consider Jerusalem to be as significant as they like. It doesn't give them a right to colonize it and make it part of a religion-supremacist "Jewish State".

      || ... Furthermore Israelis have the right to decide where their capital shall be. ... ||

      Israelis have no right to militarily occupy a Free City outside of their state's / Partition borders, colonize it and then claim it as their capital.

      || ... Jews of all backgrounds are familiar with the phrase “le-shanah ha-ba’ah bi-Yerushalayim,” “Next Year in Jerusalem.” ... ||

      So what? You and most of the world are familiar with the phrase "Allahu akbar". Your "logic" dictates that you and most of the world must now convert to Islam. I hope you enjoy your new faith.

    • || Sibiriak: ... It assumes the existence of “the Jews”, normally understood as a people or some kind of organic collective entity, something you know Eljay, rightly or wrongly, doesn’t wish to do. ||

      1. I thought it was considered anti-Semitic to refer to Jews collectively as "the Jews" because the term stripped Jews of their individuality and lumped them into an undifferentiated collective. Perhaps I'm mistaken. Actually, I must be, because Zionists refer to Jews as "the Jews" all the time.

      2. If - according to Nathan - my use of "the adjective “Jewish” (in place of the noun “Jews”)" is "helpful in avoiding the fact that the Jews are a people", he may wish to explain why he has used the adjective "Jewish" numerous times in place of the noun "Jews". Here are just a few examples from his Comments archive:

      " ... In the collective Jewish identity ... "
      (instead of "the collective identity of the Jews")

      " ... (and the traditional Jewish narrative of exile and return) ... "
      (instead of "the traditional narrative of exile and return of the Jews")

      " ... Mr Shulman's "binational state" recognizes the Jewish nation ... "
      (instead of "recognizes the nation of the Jews")

      " ... It's interesting to note that Jewish nationality ... "
      (instead of "the nationality of the Jews")

      I look forward to his explanation of why he "avoids the fact that the Jews are a people".

    • || Nathan: eljay – I wonder what is the meaning of “Geographic Palestine”. ... ||

      No, you don't wonder. You know what is the meaning of geographic Palestine.

      || ... I noticed that you used the term “religion-based identity of JEWISH”. This is not normal English, obviously. So, I wonder why a native English speaker would mess up such an easy concept. ... ||

      No, you don't wonder. You know I didn't mess anything up because i) it is normal English* and ii) you know that the identity of Jewish can only be acquired by:
      - undergoing a religious conversion to Judaism; or
      - being descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      (*Unless RoHa tells me it's not.)

      || ... You apparently do understand that there are many Jews in the world who define themselves as a people. ... ||

      I do understand that and I have no objection to Jews identifying themselves as "a people" if that's what they want. Hell, they can identify themselves as a civilization if that's what they want (and some do).

      What you do understand - but refuse to accept - is that that identification does not grant Jews a right:
      - to a supremacist state of any kind; or
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      || ... Sadly for you, your approval is not a necessary component in the identity of others. ||

      No sadness on my part - I'm well aware that my approval is not required for most things in this world.

    • || Ossinev: ... Au contraire mon brave. I think a fart got stuck in his throat. ||

      Or maybe it was donkey...

    • || Marnie: ... Couldn’t get over his snuffling throughout his entire verbal diarrhea ... ||

      My first thought was that he was either drunk or stoned.

    • ... President Reuven Rivlin said in a statement,

      “The recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and the relocation of all embassies to the city, is a landmark in the recognition of the right of the Jewish people to our land ... ”

      Geographic Palestine is not the "land" of all the people in the world - citizens of homelands all over the world - who choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      The religion-based identity of Jewish does not comprise a right to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in geographic Palestine.

    • || Emet: Did anyone believe a deal between the Arabs and Israel would have Israel leave Jerusalem? ... ||

      A deal should liberate the Free City of Jerusalem from military occupation and remove from it all colonists.

      || ... Jerusalem has been the capital of the Jewish people for 3,000 years and nothing will every change this. ... ||

      Jerusalem has not been the capital of citizens of homelands all over the world who embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish. Not for 3000 years, not last century and not today. And nothing will every change this.

  • Trump just 'pushed the two-state solution over the cliff'
    • || catalan: ... For clarity, what is this “due”? ... ||

      Beats me. I can't predict what form blowback might take.

    • || Emet: ... Some Jews refuse to accept that Jews can and should have a state where Jews are masters of their own fate. ||

      It sure is nifty being the "master of your own fate" when the U.S. shelters you from the consequences of your past and on-going (war) criminal actions by providing "unshakeable" financial, military, economic and political support.

      The problem with Zionist arrogance isn't that Jewish supremacists will get their due some day - it's that they will have anti-Semitically dragged non-Zionist Jews down with them.

    • || Emet: Some Jews ...
      Some Jews ...
      Some Jews ...
      Some Jews ...

      You Mooser, are one of those Jews. ... ||

      Some Jews are hateful and immoral supremacists who believe that the religion-based identity of Jewish grants to those who choose to embrace it the right:
      - to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      - to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      You Emet, are one of those supremacist Jews.

    • || Emet: eljay, first of all, the Palestinians cannot give up stewardship of the Temple Mount because they don’t have it and have never had it. ... ||

      So what you're saying is that if Palestinians give up aspirations of stewardship, everything else I wrote will come to pass. Fair enough.

      || ... In answer to your factually incorrect statement ... ||

      ...you completely renege on your promise that "the other stuff will be resolved, and quickly". I see that ZioHQ wasted no time getting you back on-script.

    • || Emet: ... If you really want to help the Palestinians then tell them at every opportunity that they will never and should never control the Temple Mount. It’s the holiest site for Jews. And this is the compromise that the Palestinians need to make for peace. If they do this then the other stuff will be resolved, and quickly. ||

      So, just to be clear, you're saying that if Palestinians agree to relinquish stewardship of Temple Mount, Israel will:
      - end its on-going occupation and colonization of not-Israeli territory;
      - withdraw to within its / Partition borders;
      - accept accountability for its past and on-going (war) crimes;
      - repatriate its non-Jewish Israeli refugees;
      - make reparations; and
      - transform from a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews into a secular and democratic state of and for all Jewish and non-Jewish Israelis.

      That's a hell of a promise to make. ZioHQ is going to be mighty upset that you went off-script.

    • || Emet: ... Jews don’t bring conflict. ... ||

      Jews are individuals and not an undifferentiated mass of people. Not all Jews bring conflict - on this I'm sure we can agree - but Jewish supremacists (Zionists) most definitely do bring conflict and all manner of (war) crimes. They've been doing so deliberately and unapologetically for decades and show no sign of slowing down.

    • || Emet: eljay, what is an atheist doing a website ... ||

      One does not need to be "entrenched in religion" in order to:
      - condemn injustice and immorality; and
      - advocate justice, accountability and equality.

      || ... that has two competing narratives ... but you only support one narrative? ... ||

      You are free to support the narratives of both the rapist and his victim. I'll stick with supporting justice, accountability and equality.

    • || Emet: ... start learning what the Palestinians are really like. If they are not willing to share then remain with nothing. ||

      Another f*cked up Zionist lecture on "morality": The victim in the rapist's basement wasn't willing to share, so the rapist killed her. Now we know what she was really like.

  • The only certainty regarding Trump's Jerusalem declaration is that people will die
    • || Mooser: ... What do we care about “civilization”? We outnumber civilization ten-to-one. ||

      According to some Zionists, you don't just outnumber civilization, you are civilization!

    • || yonah fredman: ... Israel being associated with Trumpian pigheadedness is another blow against the cause of Zionism. ... ||

      It's sad to see you trying express sympathy for the victims of injustice even as you long for injustice to triumph. But if it's any consolation, Zionism was blowing itself long before Trump showed up.

    • || Citizen: Next step, bomb Iran, the sole Persian state in the world? ||

      It's acceptable to threaten to "totally destroy" (wipe off the map, push into the sea, genocide, holocaust) North Korea.

      It's acceptable to impose economic sanctions on Iran and to existentially threaten it with war and devastation.

      It's acceptable to meddle in the affairs of and attack and bombard sovereign nations and effect regime change (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria).

      But if you dare to utter criticism of Israel for its on-going colonialism and the sundry (war) crimes it continues deliberately and unapologetically to commit, that's not just unacceptable, it's anti-Semitism and "Jew hatred".

  • A majority of one is pushing for embassy move -- Sheldon Adelson
    • || James Canning: Would Trump act stupidly regarding Jerusalem, in order to gratify the ambitions of Sheldon Adelson? Who would doubt it? ||

      I believe the appropriate expression is "Does a bear shit in the woods?" ;-)

    • || mcohen..: I was wondering why everyone who comments here is against the move. ... ||

      I oppose the move because it further:
      - legitimizes the injustice and immorality that are Zionism and the colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist "Jewish State" project; and
      - undermines international laws and human rights and the protections they are meant to afford all people.

      || ... at least admit that the jerusalem is important to relegion.because it is.it has the potential to be a truly spiritual place.important to many relegions. ... ||

      Important to religion? Sure. And there's no reason it couldn't have been that as a Free City instead of as a prop for Jewish supremacists.

  • Video: Israeli soldiers harass Palestinian elementary school teachers and students in Hebron
    • || Emet: ... There are 400 million Arabs and over 1.6 billion Muslims in the world today. There is one Jewish state ... ||

      So what? There are only ~800,000 Wiccans in the world today and there is no "Wiccan State" but you don't see Wiccans committing (war) crimes with impunity.

      || ... Just who is the rapist here? ||

      The rapist is the one doing the raping which, in the case of Hebron, is the "Jewish State".

    • || Emet @ December 5, 2017, 5:26 pm ||

      Your message to the victims chained in the rapist's basement:

      Where some of you try to harm the rapist on a daily basis, there is tension. Stop trying to harm the rapist and life will look a whole lot better.

      Very inspirational.

  • Trump intends to move US embassy to Jerusalem, Palestinian president says
    • || Mooser: ... I agree. Why would Trump want to create any distractions at this time? ||

      If a distraction is what he needs, he could just convert to Judaism and instantly become an ancient Judean. He could then accuse his enemies of anti-Semitism and "Jew hatred".

      I'm very pro-me. Very. More than anybody on the stage. I was the Grand Marshal of the Israeli Day Parade…you know, celebrating my ancient and eternal homeland. I'm Jewish and I'm fantastic. I asked myself to do commercials for my products and I did a commercial for myself...lots of commercials, and they were the best commercials in the history of commercials, let me tell you. They were great. And I was great. Believe me.

    • I can't for the life of me understand why Trump would want do something so colossally stupid as move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.

      Trump:
      "I’m very pro-Israel. ... "

      " ... it doesn’t help if I start saying– I’m very pro-Israel. Very. More than anybody on the stage. But it doesn’t do any good to start demeaning the neighbors because I would love to do something with regard to negotiating peace peace, finally for Israel, and for their neighbors… As a negotiator, I cannot do that as well if I’m taking big, big sides. With that being said, I am totally pro-Israel."

      “I am a great friend of Israel. I was the Grand Marshal of the Israeli Day Parade… I have so many friends. In fact one of them, one of my great friends — where is Jared, my son-in-law? Where is he? My son-in-law is Jewish, and he’s fantastic … So, there is nobody closer — and Bibi Netanyahu asked me to do a commercial for him, for his campaign. I did a commercial for him.”

      Oh, right.

  • Arthur Finkelstein ruined Israel, says Ehud Barak
    • ... What I see is a major problem for Israel that we lost this instinct that Zionism had from day one to always hold the moral ground ...

      Zionism - Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine - has never had any moral ground to hold on to.

  • US embassy move to Jerusalem would spark 'fanaticism and violence' and end US status as negotiator -- Arab leaders
    • The U.S. has been helping Israel shit on international laws for almost 70 years. Recognizing the militarily-occupied and colonized Free City of Jerusalem as the capital of the "Jewish State" of Israel would be the latest dump...but it would be a big one.

  • War rumblings continue, as Netanhayu says Iran is another Nazi Germany
    • Dangerous rumblings of war continue in the Mideast, the day after Israeli warplanes and surface-to-surface missiles attacked an Iranian military base near Damascus. Suspicion continues that an alliance among Benjamin Netanyahu, Donald Trump and the Saudi Crown Prince, 32-year-old Mohammed bin Salman, plans to widen the conflict and target Iran. ...

      Shame on King Bibi, Crown Ƭ̵̬̊  and Orange the Clown for singling out and existentially threatening the world's only Iranian State.

    • ... Netanyahu added that Israel will be the first to restore relations with Iran once its current regime falls ...

      The hateful and immoral Zionist King of a deliberately and unapologetically belligerent, intransigent, oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state talks about regimes needing to fall. Huh.

  • Flynn's plea on Russian influence reveals... Israel's influence!
    • || catalan: ... If you and pabelmont and eljay write perhaps they will reconsider. ||

      I can't get a single Zionist - not one, not even a "liberal Zionist"! - to reconsider, so it's unlikely that I'll hold any sway over the giant Ali Baba.

  • Israeli consul warns American Jews: 'Our marriage is Catholic -- no divorce'
    • ... Natan Sharansky ... said that Jews have “mutual history” for 3500 years, whether in Israel or America. That is very different from the “very serious practical problem” of how to get along with Palestinians, with whom Israeli Jews “don’t share the 3500 years of history.” ...

      Yup, it's a very serious practical problem when an indigenous Palestinian population is unwilling to vacate their homes and lands so that people the world over who share the religion-based identity of Jewish can establish in Palestine a religion-supremacist state.

      Thank goodness gawd created and gifted unto Zionists "necessary evil" to help them resolve this very serious practical problem.

  • In age of forest fires, Israel's law against Palestinian goats proves self-inflicted wound for Zionism
    • || Jackdaw: @eljay

      Indigenous people, are those people connected to a certain region ... ||

      Indigenous: originating in and characteristic of a particular region or country; native

      Indigenous people are those people living in or up to n-generations removed from a region. In (geographic) Palestine in the 20th century, that would have:
      - included non-Jewish and Jewish (geographic) Palestinians;
      - excluded ancient Judeans (who had not existed for centuries).

      || ... Native Americans, who move to Polynesia, are still indigenous Native Americans. ||

      Native Americans who move to Polynesia can claim to be North American because they're not more than n-generations removed from North America.

      A thousand years later, their descendants cannot claim to be North Americans because they aren't - they're Polynesians.

      The same applies to ancient Judeans (who have not existed for centuries): Their descendants cannot claim to be ancient Judeans because they're not - they're Russian or Polish or German or Canadian or Australian.

      (And a non-Jew who has undergone a religious conversion to Judaism is most definitely not transformed miraculously into an ancient Judean.)

    • || Jackdaw: ... My family arrived in Eretz Yisroel two hundred years ago. ... ||

      Right: Your family "arrived in" geographic Palestine because it was not indigenous to geographic Palestine.

      || ... Unless you can find some Canaanites, Jews are this territory’s indigenous people. That is why the Romans called the region, Judea. ... ||

      1. Thanks for clarifying that Canaanites, not Jews, were the territory's indigenous people.
      2. Canaanites, Romans and Judeans* haven't been around for centuries.
      3. Palestinians - the indigenous people of geographic Palestine - were around in the 20th century and they're still around today.
      __________________
      (*People who choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish are not ancient Judeans any more than people who study and speak Latin are ancient Romans.)

    • || Jackdaw: ... Secondly, Jews are the indigenous owners of the territory. ... ||

      Nope. The indigenous population of geographic Palestine prior to Partition would have consisted of Jews and non-Jews living in or up to n-generations removed from geographic Palestine. Jews have never "owned" geographic Palestine.

  • Why a children's book has Zionists losing their minds
    • || Boris: ... Israel changed its text books ... ||

      ...but didn't stop:
      - stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestine;
      - oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians; or
      - preventing non-Jewish Israeli refugees from returning to their homes and lands.

      || ... You reap what you sow… ||

      Indeed.

    • || yonah fredman: F is for Falestin. Y is for Yahud. I is for Intifada. W is for War. P is for Pretend ||

      Z is for Zionism. (J is for Jewish. S is for Supremacism.)

  • Letter to a drone
  • Liberal Zionists confront, or deny, the 'Doomsday settlement'
    • It's hard to know who to despise more:
      - hard-core Zionists who are unapologetically forthright about their supremacist leanings and their desire for a supremacist state; or
      - liberal Zionists who beat their breasts and wring their hands while they advocate a "kinder, gentler" form of injustice and immorality.

  • American Jewish visitor forced to sign loyalty oath in order to get tourist visa to Israel
    • || catalan: In other news, every action has a reaction. ||

      Apparently Zionists haven't heard this news because they remain unwilling or unable to comprehend the on-going reactions to their supremacist state's on-going actions of oppression, military occupation, colonialism, murder and sundry (war) criminality.

  • Forget pinkwashing, it's brownwashing time: self-Orientalizing on the US campus
    • Take care, RoHa, and come back before we're over-run by commas. :-)

    • || Boris: ... Now we came home to our ancestral land. ... ||

      Geographic Palestine is not the homeland or "ancestral land" of all people in the world - citizens of homelands all over the world - who choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

      || ... And this is a good example to the indigenous people everywhere. ||

      Colonialism - yes, even when Jews do it - is a truly bad example to indigenous people everywhere.

    • || yonah fredman: ... Marriages between ashkenazi and mizrahim is sky high compared to marriage rates in America between African Americans and whites. ... ||

      Curious: How does the marriage rate in Israel between Jewish and non-Jewish Israelis compare to the marriage rate in America between African Americans and non-African Americans?

    • || Eva Smagacz: The second figure represents the number of comments I submitted, and the first the number of comments that had been passed by moderators. ... ||

      OK, I think I get it now: It's that ratio (passed:submitted) since you posted in that thread you linked to earlier. Thanks for the explanation. :-)

    • || Mooser: Perhaps figures separated by a slash indicate the number submitted versus number published? ’51 comments published out of 58 submitted’= 51/58? ||

      That seemed like the obvious answer...but her Comment archive shows 837 comment.

    • Thanks for taking the time to reply, Eva.  :-)  Unfortunately, I'm a bit dense and I still don't understand what the "fraction" is supposed to represent.  :-(

    • || Eva Smagacz: ... 50/57 ||

      Curious: What is the meaning of the ascending "fraction" that occasionally appears under your posts?

  • Fifty-five Israeli lawmakers throw their bodies down for 'everyone's child,' killer Elor Azarya
  • Dispatch from Gaza on reconciliation between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority
    • || Nathan: ... It’s too bad that no one here has the courage to go on record, saying that the Palestinian struggle should not include such extreme ambitions. ... ||

      I've gone on record saying that the Palestinian struggle should not include such extreme ambitions.

      Not a single Zionist has had the courage to go on record advocating justice, accountability and equality in I-P.

    • || Mayhem: @eljay, you resort to the same old quips and remarks without addressing the substance of what I have said. ... ||

      I addressed the two points that were relevant. There was no substance to the rest of what you wrote.

      || ... Take off your blinkers and you might see the world differently. ||

      I see a world in which evil exists and that makes me advocate the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.

      You see a world in which evil exists and that makes you hypocritically advocate, justify, defend and support your preferred brand of evil.

      My blinkers ain't got nuthin' on your distorted Zionism prism.

    • || Mayhem: @eljay, have to face the sad facts for a change? ... ||

      The "sad facts" that Palestinians despise Zionists and their oppressive, colonialist and (war) criminal "Jewish State" construct for decades worth of past and ON-GOING oppression, colonialism and (war) crimes? Those "sad facts" are always at the fore.

      || ... You forgot to mention that Hamas are also unwilling to stem terror attacks. ... ||

      The women chained in his basement are also unwilling to stem attacks against the rapist. You seem to be of the opinion that that entitles the rapist to keep those women chained in his basement and to continue raping them. That's a pretty sad fact.

    • ... At one point, Sinwar threatened anyone who opposed reconciliation: “I, with a crowd of youth, will break the neck of anyone who does not want reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah.” ...

      Addressing the Israeli Prime Minister, Sinwar took a harsher tone that walked back some of the pragmatism in the new Hamas Charter he supported a few months before: ... “We have passed the stage of discussing the idea of recognizing Israel. Now we are not discussing recognizing Israel, but destroying it and when that will happen,” he said.

      Palestinian reconciliation requires a lot of work. Agenda items such as...
      - breaking the necks of Palestinians; and
      - plotting to destroy Israel,
      ...don't strike me as being very pragmatic.

  • 'Where did we go wrong in our homes and schools?' David Harris laments young Jews' hostility to Israel
    • || Steve Grover: Eljay,
      It is very simple. It is disgust for an individual who says he isJewish ... ||

      Hmmm...okay, that sounds like "Jew hatred". Thanks for the clarification. It's good to know where you stand.

      || ... But eljay, we all know you are the resident expert on Anti-Semitism here at Mondoweiss. ... ||

      If advocating justice, accountability and equality for all people everywhere really is "Anti-Semitism", I'm guilty as charged.

      Thanks again for underscoring just how seriously fucked up you Zionists and your supremacist ideology are. You are your own worst enemies.

    • || Steve Grover: ... Hopefully, the founding anti-Semite of Mondoweiss doesn’t have a pot to pee in for his efforts. ||

      Wishing poverty upon a Jew: Anti-Semitism or just "Jew hatred"? (It's not at all surprising to see a Zionist engaging in either one or both.)

    • ... Harris said:

      ... Israel is not a perfect country. I would never argue that it is. ...

      I wouldn't expect you or anyone else to argue that Israel is or should be a "perfect" country. But what it shouldn't be is a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.

      ... But if we hold Israel to such a standard that it will never achieve it, no nation on earth will achieve it, then we’re being completely unfair to the proposition. ...

      Israel isn't being held to "such a standard that it will never achieve it, no nation on earth will achieve it". That's something only apologists argue.

      ... Israel has a fundamental right to live! Israel has a fundamental right to exist! ...

      Israel had no right to come into existence. But it exists and, IMO, it should continue to exist but not as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State". No state has a right to exist as a supremacist state of any kind.

      ... And Israel has a rightful place not just in the community of nations, but in the community of democratic nations. ...

      Israel has earned itself a rightful place in the community of oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and (religion-)supremacist nations.

      I think Mr. Harris and Jack Green are reading from the same script.

  • Israel has more legitimacy than US because the bible mentions Jerusalem, not New York -- says David Harris
    • || ErsatzYisrael: You seem duly bothered by the fact that you chose to “construct” and condemn an imaginary, non-existent, ‘religion-supremacist “Islamic/Muslim State”. So much so that you felt the need to dissemble and pretend that we were discussing “Islamic/Muslim supremacism”, whatever the hell that is, rather than your ‘religion-supremacist “Islamic/Muslim State [boldface added]”’ ... ||

      I wrote:

      I condemn both forms of supremacism [Islamic/Muslim and Jewish] and their corresponding constructs.

      I honestly don't care if you don't understand it or don't like it. It's my opinion and I stand behind it.

      You're free to support Islamic/Muslim supremacism and its corresponding constructs and Jackdaw is free to thank you for your service.

    • || Mooser: ... A religion-supremacist Jewish State is the greatest single danger to the continued existence of Judaism as a religion. ||

      y.f. isn't worried about Judaism. He knows that as long as Jews have their tribe, culture, ethnicity, people, nation, civilization and "Jewish State", they don't need religion in order to "persist in existing and not fad[e] away".

    • Depends on how one defines "most widely read". If it's defined as...
      - sales over the last 50 years; or
      - # languages translated or # of printed copies worldwide,
      ...the Bible is #1.

      But that doesn't mean that it actually is the most widely-read book. And it definitely doesn't mean that it's the best-written book (that honour goes to "The Lord of the Rings").

    • || ErsatzYisrael: ... Yeah, about as unhelpful as condemning some non-existent ‘religion-supremacist “Islamic/Muslim State”’ for being ‘unjust and immoral’. ||

      I'm sure Jackdaw appreciates the effort you're putting into defending his point.

    • || Boris: 100 comments – all missing the point ... ||

      It's not that the point was missed, it's that it has no merit.

      || ... David Harris points to the Bible’s mention of Jerusalem as a proof of ancient Jewish presence in the Land of Israel. ... ||

      An "ancient Jewish presence" in a fabled "Land of Israel" did not in the 20th century and does not in the 21st century grant to people all over the world - citizens of homelands all over the world - who cho(o)se to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish the right to a religion-supremacist "Jewish State" in as much as possible of Palestine.

      || ... This actually shows that Israel is not a colonial enterprise ... ||

      It actually doesn't do that at all.

    • || ErsatzYisrael: ... condemning some undefined, abstract “construct” for being “unjust and immoral” is almost as absurd as condemning someone for not caring about the number of dancing angels that can fit on the head of a pin. ||

      You seem unduly bothered by the fact that I choose to condemn Islamic/Muslim supremacism as well as Jewish supremacism.

    • || ErsatzYisrael: ... since there isn’t a single zio style ‘religion-supremacist “Islamic/Muslim State”’ in existence, and never has been, surely this makes questioning whether some non-existent ‘religion-supremacist “Islamic/Muslim State”’ is “as unjust and immoral” as the century old Zionist apartheid regime in Palestine almost as fanciful as questioning how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, nu? ||

      Nu. A religion-supremacist "Islamic/Muslim State" doesn't have to be "zio style" in order for it to be - and to be condemned for being - an unjust and immoral construct.

    • || Annie Robbins: ... i don’t know about you jack, but you’re sounding a little desperate there. ||

      He does sound more unhinged than usual.

    • || Jackdaw: ... It’s the Joooooowwwwwwss that brought you to the I/P conflict. ... ||

      No, it was the Zionists. But leave it to a Zionist to anti-Semitically conflate Zionism with all Jews and all Jews with Zionism.

      || ... Take off the white klansmen hood ... ||

      ...says the anti-Semitic Zionist hypocrite. Good one.

    • || hophmi: It’s not like any Arab faction would ever cite a holy text in support of their cause, LOL. ||

      You can always count on hophmi to chime in with bottom-of-the-barrel whataboutism and apologetics, LOL.

    • || yonah fredman @ November 28, 2017, 6:02 am ||

      So many words just to say: Acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews justify acts of injustice and immorality committed by Jews.

      The facts remain:
      - The idea of carving up geographic Palestine in order to create a religion-supremacist state for Jews was illegitimate.
      - A religion-supremacist “Jewish State” was not and is not required for “Jews to still persist in existing”.

    • || Jackdaw: Yet no one, especially in Mondoweiss, questions the ligitimacy of a scores of ‘Islamic states’ in a moral sense. ... ||

      Liar. I've questioned it many times. IMO, a religion-supremacist "Islamic/Muslim State" is as unjust and immoral as a religion-supremacist "Jewish State". I condemn both forms of supremacism and their corresponding constructs. You - Zionist hypocrite that you are - condemn the former but advocate, justify, support and defend the latter.

      || ... Let’s not kid ourselves. It’s only the Joooooooowwwwssss!! The Jooooooooowwwwwsss!! ||

      What the hell are Jows?!

    • || RoHa: The problem here is the inadequacy of the Bible. It does not mention London. There is no word about Paris. Tokyo, Beijing, and Lhasa are totally ignored. Moscow, Stockholm, and Budapest aren’t there. ... ||

      Dunno, perhaps it's evidence of the Bible's adequacy that it doesn't mention those other cities. I mean, it's work enough to have to secure one "eternal and undivided capital" - can you imagine having to secure eight more? And if you've got nine "eternal and undivided capitals", do you have nine "eternal / ancient homelands" or only one and, if so, which one?!

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