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Yes, I've been considering an approach to the government of the People's Republic of China, suggesting that they build an American Slavery Museum and Native American "Trail of Tears" Museum in Beijing. I'm sure the good citizens of the United States will be happy to see a foreign power remembering the wrongs their country has perpetrated against its own people, and they were people, regardless of the fact that the white citizens did not see them as such at the time.
FPM
A classic example of pre-traumatic stress syndrome. It's almost as if these people want to prove Gilad Atzmon right again and again. And still the "pc left" want to leave him out of the tent.
FPM
@eljay,
Sorry, I misinterpreted your comment. I wasn't flaming you either, I just thought that you were attributing Nasrallah's statements as spin to please his audience:
"nothing more than a nice little bit of PR"
I agree that religious people, especially leaders, never encourage people of their faith to embrace other faiths. It would be a contradiction, as they see their faith as the true path to God. That said, I don't think that Nasrallah panders to the audience in this, or any other interview. His statements are thought out and heartfelt.
FPM
@eljay,
You attribute the constant spin and manipulation of PR exercised by western and Israeli politicians to Nasrallah in saying that his faith is Abrahamic. He claims that there is only one "god" and one truth, and that we're one big happy family, but he never said anything about abandoning faith. I see this man as speaking from his heart without the need to manipulate his audience. He sees the truth as enough of a weapon; he doesn't need nor want spin. It goes against his grain. He has always done so, and it's not surprising that when he makes a public speech that is videotaped, Israelis watch it to learn the truth that is not forthcoming from their own politicians.
FPM
Contrast Nasrallah's sane, rational analysis and his goals of protecting his country and facilitating human and civil rights for the people of Palestine with the hate speech and warmongering of Bibi Netanyahu. Remind me now, who is the terrorist?
FPM
"especially considering what the Danes, whose underground was granted a blanket designation as Righteous Among the Nations for their efforts during World War II to rescue the Danish Jews."
I question the need to point out the righteousness of the Danes in the context of WWII. This woman, Irit Linur, with her smearing of the goyim as anti-semites, now because of a head of golden hair, is an outrage and she is certainly a sick individual. This should be said regardless of how the Danes behaved with regards to Jews during the Holocaust.
"But I don’t’ want to talk about the black chasm in my soul that is haunted by anti-Semitism and Nazism."
Dear Ms. Linur,
I regret to inform you that the black chasm in your soul has appropriated characteristics of a black hole; that is, it has sucked everything else in your soul into it, negating and destroying it, leaving only the chasm itself.
Sincerely,
FPM
@piotr,
You blatantly misrepresent Gilad Atzmon, who has NEVER said that he "basically detests all self-proclaimed Jews". Please go and read what he actually says. And if you can, please try to make me understand why so many people have this attitude of "Atzmon rules", followed by the cringing caveat of "I approve 'excommunication' of Atzmon." What does he rule, the prison block?
FPM
@Keith,
They do fit right in, and the following statement is really telling:
"We need your support to tell them that young Jews will go elsewhere if communal institutions increasingly reject and marginalize us."
Yes, they should go elsewhere - they should join the human race, and move from category three (Jewish-ness above all else) to become category two Jews - humans who happen to be Jewish.
FPM
@Annie
"madam chiang" was the wife of Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, and I'm sure you had him dancing the spin in his grave by saying that she was married to Chennault, a dreamer who was unable to face the fact that at the time, having air power over an area without control of the land was useless. Chennault claimed in a letter dated October 8, 1942, that with only 105 modern fighters and 30 medium and 12 heavy bombers, he could "accomplish the downfall of Japan...probably within six months, within one year at the outside." The actual downfall of Japan required three more years and the efforts of the air power of nine air forces operating from India, China, the Pacific and Alaska, a Naval air force which in 1945 amounted to 90 carriers and 14,847 combat aircraft, and ultimately two atom bombs.
@Annie Robbins,
If the church is responsible for wonderful things too, why is the mention of this only a throwaway article on the backpages to you, while the "atrocity after atrocity" occupies every other prominent position in the paper?
FPM
@teta mother me,
Phil Weiss subsequently apologized for his calling the Catholic church "the church of pedophelia", but that didn't erase his publicly stated first impression of that institution. I think he should be retrospectively banned from this site!!!
FPM
@mooser,
Horns are those things growing out of the heads of oxen; they're a bovine version of your antlers. Gilad is a reed or woodwind player.
FPM
@mooser & @piotr,
Here are a few links of the recent concert in NYC with the Meetinghouse Jazz Orchestra. That is the same concert that attracted the Dersh in all his royal hissiness, attacking the good Quakers for hosting the notorious antisemite. The solos GA takes on his compostions Ouz and Le Cote Mediterranee on "the trumpet or whatever his is using" are soaring and exquisite. He is truly one of the most important jazz improvisers / composers active today.
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
Adam and Phil,
Get this comment from Danaa and put it up as a post, as soon as possible. You owe it to yourselves, this blog, and the truth to offer the point of view of an ex-Israeli who intrepidly shows the indoctrination that occurs in that country. These bare facts that Danaa lays out no doubt leave you feeling uncomfortable, but you should still do the right thing and share them prominently with the Mondoweiss community.
FPM
Danaa,
I've read and enjoyed your comments for some time; this one is particularly accurate and goes straight to the heart of the matter. Please continue commenting.
Frankie P
@Krauss,
“The Jews have too much influence in America, problem is that most American Jews care more about Israel than their own country”.
Now you can understand why many American Gentiles with open eyes are rooting for the American Jews who care more the US and human rights than an apartheid state that claims to represent them. Unfortunately, many of the influential, organized, super-wealthy American Jews fall into the category of caring more about Israel than their own country, and they weild their influence accordingly; they are single-issue contributors. They make no bones about it; they state it openly. So are you saying that truth = anti-semitism?
FPM
@jerome slater
"There is no serious prospect of any change in Israeli policies, or of US support of them, unless the American Jewish community can finally grasp that those policies are irrational, self-defeating, dangerous, and immoral. Without the support of the Jewish community, there is no chance that any US government will adopt the strong measures that are the only chance of reversing Israel’s course: BDS, and making US aid conditional on such reversals. Therefore, the most important audience for Mondoweiss and other blogs, including mine, is the American Jewish community."
Please update us with reports of your activism towards convincing your community. How many shuls have you visited lately, trying to convince your people of the insanity of their support for Israel. If you want to see a "wolf pack", try that one out!
FPM
@RoHa,
I think you left something out.
(*For Michael Walzer and Jerome Slater, "Israel wants it" always counts as a just cause.)
Mooser,
I disagree with you on many things, especially on Gilad Atzmon. That said, I have to commend you for this laser-accurate comment. Jerome Slater has a Phd. in Conventional Wisdom. Unfortunatly, the conventional wisdom in the west, especially the bizarre world of the US, is becoming less and less coherent and applicable to the world as a whole.
FPM
Witty,
If the Straights of Hormuz ever form an alliance with the Gays of Hormuz, what power will the violation of international law be raised to?
Inquiring minds want to know...
FPM
Woody,
Please provide a quote regarding which part of the constitution dictates to business owners about who they may or may not hire.
FPM
@Krauss, Cliff, Jeffery,
First, Cliff is mistaken to call Krauss a Zionist troll. His history of posts proves that this is not the case. He has appeared to be more of a realist in many ways. However, I cannot understand, Krauss, why you respond to Jeffery's post by focusing only on his doubt that you have mainstream articles to back up your claims of the predominance of Mulsim rapes. Please address his main point, which is that anti-semitic acts in Europe are directly related to Israel's long oppression of the Palestinians, wanton wars against numerous Muslim countries, and the blind, full support of Europen Jewry to the Zionist state, including the overt and covert lobbying of European governments. Ignoring this fact is perilous.
@Krauss,
Thank you for a very insightful comment. Your analysis of the current situation regarding the dispassionate eye of outsiders seems as accurate as your prediction of how the next few years will crush the illusions of so-called liberal Zionists.
Actually, your own dispassionate eye seems to disprove your conclusion that Gentile analysis of the situation is becoming more relevant than Jewish analysis!
@jnslater and seanmcbride,
Professor Slater,
As someone who is no doubt aware of the negative influences even baseless accusations of anti-semitism can have on one's career and reputation, you should be ashamed of the way that you use that smear without burden of proof. Don't you realize that empty accusations about anti-semitism have blurred the lines between "those who hate the Jews" and "those who the Jews hate", marginalizing a serious form of racism? Keep your suspicions, research them and find conclusive evidence, and then and only then open your mouth. I have to agree with sean here; you are making yourself and your opinions unworthy of serious consideration.
FPM
@ish,
Get some new batteries for your sarcasm sensor! YOU were the one saying
"Are we so uncreative that that’s our only choice? Barack Obama or Ron Paul?". Please point out what other choices you see, because in my eyes, besides RP, the rest of the field is more of the same establishment bullshite.
So, as I was trying to say in my sarcastic way, there don't seem to be any other choices that qualify as saviors. "Separation of church and state" indeed. I believe in a drastically reduced state that keeps its nose out of the people's business and lets them get on with their lives and prosper, and that's
why RP is the only one making sense to me.
ish,
Yes, waiting for your reply. I'm afraid that Jesus isn't among the Republican candidates, last that I checked.
@gazacalling
I find your comment extremely insightful and accurate. I strongly feel that it should appear as an article on mondoweiss, not as a direct reply to Lizzy Ratner exclusively, but to all left-leaners who attack Ron Paul under the guise of political correctness.
@Kathleen: " “the battle between liberal Zionists and hardcore Zionists” Still do not get this one. How can you put liberal and zionist together? When Zionism is fundamentally exclusivity and the rejection of the identity of the Palestinian people?"
It's a gate-keeping attempt. By constantly drumming that there is a schism in the debate, but both sides are firmly Zionists, you marginalize and ignore voices that fall outside of the Zionist narrative.
Speaking of "little glimpses into the future".
Phil Weiss:
"In short, the question of the Israel lobby will at last morph into questions of Jewish political identity."
Fess up, Phil. You HAVE been reading Gilad Atzmon's website regularly. Now interview him on Mondoweiss and do the right thing. Six years from now, maybe the ideas in The Wandering Who will be as mainstream as W&M are today.
Frankie P
Avi G, as usual, is spot on in his "nitpicking", although if it "goes to the heart of the matter", I don't see why you call it nitpicking. Phil still has this blind spot about the need of Jews to stick together, and the Jewish groups that fit his idea of progressivism exhibit incredible beauty that answers the Jewish desire. The reason for the danger in this ethnocentric clubbing is clear: the adherents and followers of the Seth Klarmans of the world also think they are exibiting incredible beauty that answers the Jewish desire.
Still waiting for you to return the favor and have Gilad Atzmon in an interview. Grow a pair Phil, and face something that makes you uncomfortable.
@Shmuel,
I can't help but wonder why the Union for Traditional Judaism needs to differentiate.
Aren't fellow Jews part of humanity and creation? Why the need to separate? Something seriously amiss in the movement's religious philosophy.
FPM
@thetumta
While he doesn't need permission from Israeli heroes, he surely feels the pressure from the tribe. In addition, Phil Weiss claims that putting his identity as an American before that of being a Jew represents "the achievement of my life". Do you feel the weight of that statement? And yet, on a thread yesterday or the day before, when tod said that no Jews should be involved in the investigation of Israel (I'm paraphrasing), Phil showed up on the comments board, upset about such a comment. How could a man who considers putting his identity as an American before that as a Jew the achievement of his life question why a non-Jew would be skeptical about giving responsiblity for investigating Israel to another member of the "elite identity" tribe? How many American Jews are unable to make such an earth-shattering achievement, Phil? From the horse's mouth:
“I believe all people act out of self-interest. And Jews who define themselves at some level as Jews -- like myself for instance -- are concerned with a Jewish self-interest. Which in my case is: an end to Zionism. A theory of political life based on altruism or concern for victims purely is doomed to fail.”
Atzmon: Openly and bluntly, Weiss confirmed what many of us have been saying for a very long time: it is not solely ‘altruism’ or concern for Palestinians victims that motivates some of the most prominent Jewish campaigners and organisations, but it is also, as Weiss freely admits, ‘Jewish self-interest.’ I confessed to Weiss that I was overwhelmed by his frankness. I think that Weiss may well be the first Jewish activist to admit , or even to define the Judeo-centric impetus behind the Jewish- progressive political discourse. I decided to press it further, asking Weiss whether he considered himself to be ‘tribal’?
And once again, Weiss’ answer was brave and honest, though he did start to express some frustration. He answered, “Yes I do at some level. And what bugs me about stuff you send me (I guess that Weiss was referring to Nahida’s article) is that I end up in the end inevitably and predictably at some site trashing Jewish religion, to which I have very little connection, though yes I feel some core ‘Id’** and this makes me think in the end, that dialogue with you will not help ME because I am interested in frying different fish. While you seem out rather reductively to prove the degeneracy of a religion which I’m sure is deeply problematic, as Islam is and the Church of Pedophilia…( sic)”
However, I still do not grasp why Weiss thinks that I am interested to reductively ‘prove the degeneracy of a religion’ -- I am not really interested in criticising the religion of Judaism, or any other religion for that matter: in fact, I am far more concerned with Jewish secularism and Jewish secular ideology.
However, it was at that stage that I realised that Weiss was a perfect candidate for an interview. He certainly embodies the Jewish-progressive school of thought: a unique mixture of righteousness, charming self-love, mixed together with some deep intolerance towards other people’s belief systems.
I went on to ask Weiss: “What does the word ‘Jewish’ mean for you?”
Weiss was short and precise in his response : "My mother, my father, my grandparents, a family feeling, us-ness, in distinction to the Them."
I pressed Weiss further , asking him, “this ‘us-ness’ does it really extend beyond family and friends? Do you for instance, feel ‘us-ness’ with an Iraqi Jew?”, I wondered.
‘I think identity is multi-factorial,’ Weiss replied, ‘I feel American before I feel Jewish. I think that's the achievement of my life, to have flipped those identities, and Jewish is second. I see Jewish as this great civilization that I am part of. That transcends borders, and it's not Zionist. Zionism is like Shabbetai Tzvi, It's a big chapter in a long story. Jews will survive this one too. Jews is: a sense of difference, yes, inevitably of elite identity, that's part of Jewish history and one I struggle with. Jewish is a Story, a myth…’
@American
"They invoke Jewish scapegoat claim while they literally live out the old canard that Jews aren’t loyal to the countries they live in and operate as a nation within a nation.
I don’t even know how to describe this orwellian disconnect of theirs, claiming they’re not doing what they’re doing when the whole world sees them doing it."
Don't get your knickers in a twist trying to understand why they do it, or how you should describe it, or why they would risk everything...
If it goes against your fundamental interests, fight it with all you have. Sometimes you just have to accept that some things don't change, and
no matter how we may have hope about change, and hope that the world is better and different - a changed place, when faced with the grim reality, we have to work with it and do what we can. When you point out the “conflict between the interests of Israel and the United States,” you will be called an anti-semite. Can you deal with that? It will take courage. When you highlight that cleavage that Halper says ought to be stated now, you will be smeared again, and again. Man, what an ugly feeling, knowing that people may be wondering if you are the "new anti-semitism", a "hater", etc. Hunker down, American; it seems that you have the interests of your country at heart; it will take many like you, fighting to resurrect the integrity of your country against a vile, special-interest group that seeks to destroy it.
FPM
Tar and feathers for the traitor.
Yes, you do Richard. You choose to cover your racism with huge dollops of the whipping cream of disingenuousness, mendacity and semantic nonsense so that you are able to force it down your throat without gagging.
FPM
America,
The only place in the world where a group with the objective of finding the ultimate "truth" behind a tragedy would be painted as nutcases.
Frankie P
Why it is important for more humans to discuss the cultural boycott of Israel:
Because it is a righteous movement in the support of oppressed humans.
Voices of peace need to be heard, why the big focus on "Jewish"?
Still keeping yourselves apart?
Here's something else to read related to the pro-Palestinian-anti-Zionist movement: this relates what some see as the co-opting of this movement. I'm hoping that Phil will step up and address his statements and the issues in general that Gilad and Nahida (The Exiled Palestinian) bring up here. Thanks Phil, please continue to delve into hard issues, even the uncomfortable ones.
link to gilad.co.uk
Frankie P
What is apparent to many who view this whole situation is that when the bubble is completely deflated and those Americans start demanding answers and actually doing some research to find them, the answers that they discover are going to anger them. AIPAC will become a hated target, and in my view, rightfully so; unfortunately, it won't stop there, and American Jewry as a whole could very well be scapegoated for the misdeeds of a handful of powerful, wealthy Zionistas. Yes, real antisemitism could rear its ugly head, and when I say real antisemitism, I mean people who hate folks because they are Jewish, not someone who is hated by Jews, the current ridiculous manifestation. When will these American Jews realize that the people who claim to represent their interests are actually endangering them? It's enigmatic.
My thanks to MRW for linking to Alan Hart's website. I watched the panel with Gilad Atzmon and found it extremely interesting. I have since watched a number of the "Hart of the Matter" interviews, which I link to below. Watch the two with Ilan Pappe; he's a levelheaded universalist who is not afraid to speak the truth about the situation, which puts him squarely at the top of the SHIT list.
link to alanhart.net
Frankie P
The increase in the number of people willing to speak the truth about the likes of Safire and the Lobby, people like MJ, coupled with the truths being disseminated on the internet, multiplied by the atrocious future that many Americans face economically, spells disaster for Israel's prospect of continued blind support from the US. The people will rise and throw down the whores in Congress, and demand accountability. Me? I'm just counting the days.
Frankie P
@hughsansom,
I agree it is troubling, but it's not absurd; as a matter of fact, it's entirely logical and reasonable. These "persons of color" and the other board members are shaking in their shoes about being labeled as not supportive enough of Israel, or, heaven forbid, being seen as pro-Palestinian. Recent past history has shown that their advanced degrees will not protect them from the fanaticism of the commisars of Zion, who will see to it that they lose their positions. Why, many are not even Jewish!!!
PM
Actually, look at a map. The Japanese are NOT all concentrated on one little island!
Damn it MRW, you have to remember that to some of these people, knowing the truth is okay, it's just speaking the truth that makes you an anti-Semite!!!
I can't understand why it's "forbidden territory". It seems like talking about Jewish racism and tribalism in an environment with both Jews and Gentiles elicits a great deal of discomfort from Jews. It's the old taboo against airing the dirty laundry in front of the goys. Phil has made some important steps in trying to face his own racism in recent posts, and I must admit that some of his confessions and references to non-Jews were troubling to me as a gentile. They smacked of racism, but I understand that Phil is coming to terms with his racism and trying to understand and dare I say eradicate it.
So, Shmuel doesn't see the dialog going anywhere. But I do see the eventual destination: gentiles, when confronted with the truth about Jewish racism towards them, will ultimately begin wondering whether anti-semitism is, as they have been taught, some kind of "mutant gene" found in gentiles, or if it is more complicated, perhaps composed in part of a reaction to Jewish racism.
FPM
Need we see any more? The man has been compromised.
It's good to see you still commenting here, Professor Slater.
Everyone has joined the chorus in singing to you, now what say you?
Oh won't you stay, just a little bit longer?
Please stay, just a little bit more
pm
Mooser:
"And can we also stop the pretense that there is any ‘left’ or liberal faction in the Israeli polity which can change Israel from the settler-Army policy of the Occupation?"
Are you sure it's a pretense? Prof. J Slater says it's not!!!
PM
Avi,
Let's not forget the scariest thing about the gunning down of Palestinian women and the use of dog attacks: they don't seem to be the actions of "a few bad apples"; they are systematic and condoned if not ordered by superior officers.
Gil Maguire,
Excellent analysis, and the next logical step is a call for BDS. International pressure will have to begin with the grass roots, as organized political organizations in the west are, shall we say, in the pockets of what the MSM like to call "Jewish votes", but we recognize as organized pro-Israel campaign contributions. As in the case of South Africa, the western political establishment will be a follower of the will of the people calling for justice, not an instigator of justice.
PM
Sweet Emotion
Yes, she does ask some pithy questions. The answer to the first, regarding a country recognizing its citizens based on race, religion, etc. is...
Holocaust, holocaust, holocaust, I didn't know the Taiwanese were antisemites.
The answer to the second, regarding universal values of all being created equal is...
I do teach my children that all Jews were created equal.
I just posted the Roger Waters video on my facebook page under the message:
END THE BLOCKADE OF GAZA!!!!
Please do the same. Let's keep this ball rolling.
FPM
Funny, I always thought Chomsky was from the Philadelphia area, not Amman. Watch your placement of prepostional phrases, Phil!!!
Just bustin' your chopsl!!
FPM
"Don't people resent it? "
YES
But, but...b..b..b..b.. but Witty says we just have to engage and persuade these people, and they, perhpas with the help of G*d, will see the light and come to embrace their Arab brothers and sisters. He says that dissent is violence against Israel. He says, he says...
Thank God nobody listens to what Witty says. These people are filth.
FPM
Avi,
Sorry to disturb your sensibilities. I was quoting a post from above for the first "mofo", and I decided to be continuous in my word use for the second one!! In giving the matter further thought though, the US could see some politicians elected to office that would insist that ALL American citizens refrain from serving in ALL branches (even civilian - this means you Rahm!) of ALL foreign armed forces. I could certainly see someone like Ron Paul adopting this kind of platform, and I believe that it would be seen by most as a welcome breath of fresh air.
FPM
Avi,
The US does NOT need an Avigdor Lieberman, it needs grass roots with balls that will root out (pun intended) and squash these people who received the benefits of American citizenship and upbringing, but feel no loyalty to the USA, and are only to happy to run off to their "homeland" and play GI Jew.
Matter articulates anger well here, but there is a contradiction in the presentation:
"This motherfucker should be stripped of his US citizenship pronto. Thanks to a loophole inserted by Congressional scumbags, service in the Zionist terror brigades incurs no penalty; a situation that’s unique. Any service in any other foreign military is grounds for loss of citizenship."
If the Congressional and indeed Executive scumbags are at the beck and call of The Lobby, who do you expect to strip the motherfucker of his US citizenship?
Ergo, there is no possibility of an American "Avigdor Lieberman", but there is the need for anger among the middle class, a grass roots movement growing up that will protect the interests of the 60%+, that silent majority who have been drinking the kool-aid that causes them to look at themselves as the "evil" in the world. This anger will manifest itself in a number of ways, culminating in election surprises that will cause mass aliyah to Israel, and good riddance. It will be comforting to watch the early stages of the anger, potshots taken at Goldman Sachs managers, airplanes flying into the IRS, perhaps bombings of AIPAC offices. You don't need a crystal ball to see how these things will play out, you just need to look at history with a discerning eye.
FPM
Chef Cohen will be serving up the newest dishes from Israel, in particular...
smoked leg of infant Palestinian
Syvanen,
The next step is to claim that if telling the truth amounts to anti-semitism, it's a badge we should all wear with pride.
FPM
gmeyers,
I think that Phil would say that the ways in which these points are articulated in the Middle East are more anti-semitic, but underneath this shabby excuse lies the truth in your analysis. Like most left-leaning Jewish critics of Israel, Phil makes points critical of American Jews that raise his hackles when they come out of the mouths of most gentiles.
PM
Witty must have seen the part of the video where Ali quotes from the AIPAC big cheese's speech about how there is a movement that is declaring war on Israel. "But it doesn't stop there... But it doesn't stop there... But it doesn't stop there..."
I've got news for that man. It's not going to stop until there's a just solution. Blinders are coming off everywhere.
FPM
Yonira,
You should LISTEN a little bit more.
"He says J-Street is the enemy because it doesn’t support a bi-national state. "
He said no such thing!!! What a straw man!! He invited the audience to disagree with his vision for a single state solution. His point was that BDS should be applied by both those advocating for a single state and suporters of a two state solution. Again, his beef with J-Street was their attack on BDS, nothing to do with the nature of the solution. Two dollars for two states!!! What nonsense!! It sounds like something Witty would come up with!!
FPM
I'm with James!!! That was incredible to watch!! I lack the superlative adjectives to describe Abunimeh's clearheaded, rational analysis of both past and future, and just rationale for BDS. A litmus test of the potency of this speech is the splatter of diarrhea that ensued from Witty, the local Hasbara distraction device here at Mondoweiss. Phil, when are you going to address Witty publicly and get it over with? I feel that you owe it to us, your long-standing supporters, to put your shared past with this man aside, take off the gloves, and rip into him. Your Mom will forgive you; she always does!!!
FPM
VR,
"The J Street “leadership” is light years behind its halting constituency, it is like the democratic hopefuls that come out of the democratic party, who when it becomes apparent that they are unelectable they set about doing their real job (not they ever arose to be elected) – bringing in the “strays” into the smothering fold of the two-party joke. In other words there is nothing new about J Street, it is merely the same old “alternative” – no alternative."
Brilliant!!! And if you have watched syvanen's posts over time, for example from when Bush was still in office, you will realize why this paragraph is such a strong indictment of him a Democrat cheerleader, one of the "Obama believers", those blind punters who believed that "the man" ever had a chance of making a "change we can believe in" in the present corrupt sewer that is two-party American politics.
Bring on the fucking revolution!!!
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Moose,
You even used old Hasbara number 4 there. (The whole world sucks!) I never would have thought you would stoop (does a moose stoop, or bend its knees?) to using any of the famous hasbara 4, points that you use to disdain others on this site so often, but I guess when the criticism aims as some form of organized Jewry of a more global nature (not "the Jews", mind you - Joachim never says it's "the Jews" as a whole) working in conjunction with and to protect Israel at the expense of the non-Jews in their respective countries, I guess your principles kind of fly out the door and you become the hunted. What gives there?
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I love watching Mooser lose it when a commenter hits on issues that he sees as threatening "the Jews" as a whole rather than "those Jews" who the moose sees fit to criticize. A diatribe of unreflected reactionary prose ensues that fluctuates between barely concealed comedy and snowballing paranoia. An interesting issue here is that the moose frequently makes posts in which he predicts and seems resigned to a wave of anti-semitism against all "the Jews" in America because of the actions of "those Jews"; it's one of his most interesting contributions to this blog, besides his comedy and wit, and the green buds of course. Moose, a question for you: if you see the tide of antisemitism against "all Jews" coming because of the actions of "those Jews", why don't you focus more on fighting "those Jews" than on attacking commenters whose views on "those Jews" in many ways mirror your own?
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MRW:
Great stuff!
Shmuel:
When I read this line that you wrote,
"Besides, increased contact with Palestinian culture could help Israelis explore their Semitic (as opposed to European) side. The cultural possibilities are staggering. ",
I immediately associated it with comments that Judge Goldstone made during the Q&A segment of his "debate" with Dore Gold at Brandeis U. It's worth watching.
He reported his nervousness about going into Hamas controlled Gaza as a Jew, the bad dream he had about being taken hostage, and finally his surprise at the friendliness and the humanity of the Palestinians in Gaza. But what he said that your comment reminded me of was that he noticed many cultural similarities between the people in Gaza and many Jews in Israel. You should look at Dore Gold's face while Goldstone makes those comments: priceless.
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Thank God it's not up to Cheryl Wheeler!!
Thomas Jefferson:
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
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CMI,
One other point. I believe that libertarians also emphasize community and communality, but perhaps not on the grand scale that liberal/ progressives do. They prefer grass roots, decentralized community, trying to manage the size of the "common good", as it seems that the larger the common good gets, the worse things become for all.
"Of course, as you know, there are significant differences as well. Libertarians stress individualism and freedom of action, while liberal/progressives give relatively great emphasis to communality, egalitarianism, and the common good. This partial dichotomy in fundamental political values can lead to obvious difficulties in establishing policy principles for the “lobby”."
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CMI and Dan,
I appreciate your dialog here, and CMI, I must admit that my comments about your A-Street idea did come off sounding negative when in all truth I would be a full supporter of it. I guess my cynicism about the whole shebang was getting the better of me. I agree with many of the points that both of you make, and I guess what gets stuck in my craw has to do with contemplating the consequences of CMI's statement:
"Some charges of antisemitism and “self-hatred” are unavoidable. That’s how the political game is played in those quarters. Any non-Jewish “white” person who gets involved in the politics of Middle Eastern policy (aside from hard-right neocon characters like John Bolton and James Woolsey) is eventually going to incur charges of antisemitism unless he/she is a wet dishrag. The effort will require good people with backbone, and, in some cases, courage."
Perhaps you underestimate the "power and fanaticism of the commisars", to quote Chomsky. This project will require "non-Jewish white" people who are willing to put their careers and livelihoods on the line, for the "wet dishrags" are the only ones who won't get smeared with the dirty brush. The steel backbone and long-term courage that is necessary will cause hesitation and finally refusal from many outstanding, righteous people who would otherwise join in, for who wants to deal with vilification, a wonderful technique that these people have honed to a sharp-edged knife. They're pros. And who knows how to respond to the charges - "You're anti-Semitic. What do you care about the Middle East. You're not Jewish, you're not Arab." What do you say when someone calls you "an anti-Semite". "No, I'm not an anti-Semite!" You've already lost, as the mud slinger always wins and you come off with a whiff of shit on your persona. Some of us don't really care, as the charge has become next to meaningless to us PERSONALLY. However, those with public careers or in certain industries will not take the chance, and remain among the silent majority. How do we stimulate and motivate them?
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Phil Giraldi nails it pretty well in his analysis of what J Street is and isn't.
link to original.antiwar.com
CMI has a nice idea, an A Street. It is, however, naive in its idealism, as any such movement would either become coopted or branded anti-semitic, regardless of whether it truly was. Better to reveal J Street for what it really is, a sort of AIPAC light, dedicated to the continued flow of US$ to Israel, continued UN Security Council vetos, watering down of international criticism of Israeli actions, etc. There is no hope in this group. Although Giraldi distances himself from saying that there is any collusion between AIPAC and J Street, there is the fact that J Street needs funding, and those who fund tend to want some control. We can see that J Street has already significantly modified its original methods, morphing ever closer to the policies and ideas of AIPAC. Let's continue to watch it, and think about better alternatives, for ALL Americans, not just Jews.
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Thank you Galensword for the reference. Thank you MRW for the link. The reading is grim indeed; it apalls as it enrages. No wonder the Israelis fear it so; it shows them for what they are. Murderers of civilians. Murderers of children. Ethnic Cleansers.
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Galensword,
There are so many causes that should unite true Americans and help old Uncle Sam to stand up straight morally again. Cutting off funds for the Zionist State, refusing to use te veto in the UN, etc are among them, but not the only ones. Perhaps outright opposition to the existence of Israel is not the best way; it's just not realistic. Rooting out the so-called Americans whose main loyalties lie with another state would be more effective; then let the population of the Middle East take care of their own problems.
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GalenSword,
Nice to see you again Joachim. To satisfy curiosity about the level of freedom of this site, would you care to inform us if Phil Weiss and Company just delinked your website from Mondoweiss, or if they actually banned you from commenting. I ask this because of the recent brouhaha with Chris Moore, and because you're no longer commenting under the Thorsprovoni moniker.
Thank you
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The first two posts on this link are surely true blue, and yet...
I see the hope in the eyes of the youth holding the photo. His humanity and strength, and that of others like him, will outlast the oppression and subjugation. You see, Witty, it is his people who now hold the covenant with God.
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Black is white.
Day is night.
Right is wrong.
War is peace.
Here - have a prize.
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Witty once again runs his vehicle of mendacity into an oak tree!!
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Jeffery Blankfort, your second paragraph is really right on the money, but if history serves as any kind of oracle, the RWs will NEVER come to their senses, and the manner in which America jettisons the "rascals" will involve tar and feathers in its mildest forms.
The issue of Obama's blatent hypocracy concerning the "4 decade year old secret understanding" has not escaped the notice of the emerging economic and military powers in the world. The icing on the cake, of course, was Secretary of State Clinton, who, with a straight face, claimed that the onus was on Iran to prove that it is not using its nuclear capabilities to develop weapons. People, think about that for a minute. How would you feel if the policeman, prosecutor, or judge confronting you asked you to prove your innocence or face punishment? How does one prove one's innocence?
"Who's in the dark?" Indeed, this is a valid question, but it is predicated by analysis which raises the question: If they're not in the dark about it, and they watched Obama make the speech, totally ignoring the 200+ elephants in the room, what conclusions does the rest of the world reach? The conclusion is that America is a nation of double standards, controlled by American friends of Israel, be they Jews, Christains, Zionists, Martians. I live here in Asia in a Chinese metropolis, and the majority of educated people here would say that "the American Jews control the American government throught their economic, political and media control", and they would say it in a way that showed their admiration for said Jews. "Smart people." Perhaps they say that because they're "anti-semites", perhaps they say it because they call things the way they see them. The Chinese continue tight currency controls over their people and economy, and they continue to forbid foreign banks from exercising ANY significant power in their nation. "Smart people." The Chinese feel no holocaust guilt, and I doubt that they can be convinced that they were responsible in any way for the deaths of European Jews in the Second World War. Ditto this for other rising powers in the world: India, Russia, Brazil. In conclusion, if the American people never throw the rascals out and the status quo ante in America continues, the rising countries in the world will provide a balance that will make the world a better place. American empire does not serve the people of the world in any way, hell, it doesn't even serve the American people!!!
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Psychopathic God,
It seems that from some of his recent posts even Mooser has come to the conclusion that the anti-Semitism will rear its head in America in a big way in the future, prodded out by the machinations of Zionists, both Jewish and Christain, and their continued insistence on giving Israel a blank check to both squash Arabs (Palestinian and in other countries) and take American succor and turn around and kick America in the balls.
It almost reads like a sick real-life tragicomedy in which you know the ending, but you have no ability to influence the actions of the players.
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v...
"I am a male, but I have not abandoned my feminine side…LOL "
DON'T abandon it!!! It makes for a more balanced emotional and spiritual personality.
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v...
"I have one advantage over some, it is that I quote verbatim many times those I disagree with – even if Phil erases it, and that is for times of a “lapse in memory” for some of what previously transpired. "
S(he) then goes on to post the following from Chris Moore:
"Vis-à-vis control-oriented Jews, this means managing their tendencies towards monopoly and totalitarianism so that they aren’t allowed to artificially suppress the actualization of other peoples and cultures through authoritarian intrigue and warmongering.”
Her/His conclusion:
There is no distinction here, in fact, there is little distinction of a portion of a “group” (Jews) from another in most of his comments.
v...
You posted a quote that demostrates a clear distinction in Chris Moore's thinking between "control-oriented Jews" and Jews who are not "control-oriented".
Thanks for providing more evidence that Chris Moore DOES make distinctions between different groups of Jews. Kvetching indeed!!!
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"This is in the end the soul of the Israel lobby: American Jewish opinion and American Jews’ belief in their role as the guardians of the Jewish state."
Damn!! The Anti-semites are out again. Put them back in their cages so that they stop making blanket opinions about Jews!! Don't you know that Jews are a diverse group whose long history has formented a spectrum-like smattering of opinions on every topic. Who made the abovementioned anti-semitic statement. Oh!! It was Phil Weiss. I guess that doesn't count, because he's part of the "original community".
Laugh out loud!!
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Todd,
"What does anti-Semitism even mean? Who is harming Jews in the U.S.? Phil constantly talks of Jewish influence, chauvanism, clannishness and the sense of Jewish superiority that he was raised with, so how is it anti-Semitic to then bring up the existence or effects of those traits? "
It's becoming more and more clear that the definition of anti-Semitism in this mileu is not a question of WHAT you bring up, ie "the existence or effects of those traits", but
WHO brings them up. Phil will allow folks who share his worldview or who are part of his "original community" to criticize, but those who he feels may hold views too "cracker" or "redneck", he'd rather not see you here on his site.
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Phil Weiss:
"I zapped the Chris Moore comment for the same reason, I don’t think he has anything nice to say about my original community; I don’t want him offering his opinion of Jews on my site, he’s got his own, and I zapped the Kevin MacDonald citation because I feel like it. I don’t like the tone. I criticize Jews and Israel all the time, from a universalist perspective: "
You didn't even have the balls in your post to mention that you had banned him from the site, significantly impacting the free speech principle that has been one of the most
attractive things about this site. Now, let's preempt syvannen and mooser and v and their leftist stream - I am not defending what Chris Moore said, but Phil Weiss has let a lot of racist bullshit flow from the mouths of Zionazis on this site, and I'd like to know how many he has banned. Pancake jokes about Rachel Corrie, etc. Phil, did you ban them? Have you banned Joachim, or just taken the link to his site down? People on this site be forewarned: you can criticize Jews here, but only on Phil Weiss's terms, which he labels as a universalist perspective. Say what you will, but Chris Moore had something to add to this site. You may not agree with ANY of his conclusions, but he was obviously well versed in a lot of history and contributed facts to the discussion.
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syvanen,
"I enjoy Mondoweiss, and I admire Jewish commenters like Mooser and V who speak out against the crimes of Israel, a country that claims at every turn, to represent them."
Which part of that statement didn't you understand? I have great respect for Phil Weiss and Adam for the work that they are doing here. I also have great respect for what MJ Rosenberg has been saying over at tpm. There are quite a few Jewish blogs that deal with the situation, all to be admired in my opinion.
"Those that don’t seldom if ever get a microphone or inch of column space to air their views, and are ostracized by the greater Jewish community"
I don't see the Jewish community with open arms, embracing sons and daughters like Phil Weiss and Adam Horowitz, Tony Judt, MJ Rosenberg, Richard Silverstein, Norman Finkelstein, Naomi Klein and the like, thanking them for pointing out other viewpoints that highlight the "great diversity of ways-of-being and ways-of-doing in the far flung Jewish communities and individuals". I see the greater part of the Jewish community, especially the organized segment which claims to speak out in the name of Jewry as a whole, attacking them as "self-hating Jews" and placing them on SHIT lists, doing all they can do deny them tenure, gainful employment, and respect.
"This issue is being addressed"
Yeah, on the lens of a microscope, where nobody can see it.
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My last question should read:
Am I an anti-semite for asking these questions and raising these issues?
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DavidF,
Thank you for making the following excellent point:
"I think it is essential for Jews to understand the ways in which their institutional activities conflict with those of non-Jews, and that is impossible without making an honest attempt to understand intelligent critics’ points of view."
Now look at Bullwinklemooserwitz's statement to Chris from yesterday's thread:
'Does it ever occur to you Chris, that certain Jews, say Zionists, have a vested interest in making you believe all Jews are like them? What are they going to say, “No we Zionists only represent a part of the Jews, some don’t believe Zionism is the answer to our problems, others have Jewish religious objections to Zionism, etc”'
I enjoy Mondoweiss, and I admire Jewish commenters like Mooser and V who speak out against the crimes of Israel, a country that claims at every turn, to represent them.
However, Mooser and V should also admit that no matter how much they hammer the fact that Jews represent "a great diversity of ways-of-being and ways-of-doing in the far flung Jewish communities and individuals.", when the chips come down on Israel, the overwhelming majority of Jews in the US, Israel, Europe, Canade, etc. seem to support the oppression and war crimes. Those that don't seldom if ever get a microphone or inch of column space to air their views, and are ostracized by the greater Jewish community. Why is this? Does this issue need to be addressed by Jews?
DavidF, you should go further than saying that Jews should "understand" the ways; they should then become more proactive about opposing those institutional activities if they think them wrong. Mooser with his straight legs down to the pegs on his motorcycle says that the "persecution and wanderings and mixing" of the Jews led to the abovementioned diversity, but was the persecution born entirely from Gentile hate of Jews, anti-semitism? Could DavidF's "institutional activities which conflict with those of non-Jews" have played a part? Is this an issue that can be talked about? Am I an anti-semite?
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Syvanen,
"What he did yesterday was to keep expectations high that he was indeed going to do something different. Somehow, that would not be expected if he had already capitulated to the Israelis for it will only make him look even worse if in a few months nothing has happened."
Not only does Obama want to keep expectations high with his speechifying, he defers real tough decisionmaking to the future with the hope that A) some new wrinkle will enter the situation, allowing him to focus attention elsewhere B) the memoryhole will just consume the whole thing, and he can ignore it all.
He reminds me of the economic policymakers, Geithner at Treasury and Bernanke at the FED. They defer and make speeches about green shoots and economic upturns, while their reluctance and downright unwillingness to DO THE RIGHT THING makes any significant improvement impossible.
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Oscar,
Right on, man!!! Would that a western politician could stand up and tell those truths, truths that so badly need to be told. Additionally, would that a politician or some talking head in the media could analyze the nuclear weapon issue in a transparent and evenhanded way. I listened to the BBC analysis of Obama's speech in reference to nuclear weapons, and they talked about only two issues: disarmament by the US and the USSR, and the need to contain Iran's nuclear program. Why won't someone talk about the 200+ Israeli elephant nukes in the room? How can Obama imagine that his address on the issue of nuclear weapons has any legitimacy among the family of nations , let alone the Arab component of the family, when everyone knows that the Israelis repeatedly refuse to sign international agreements or even recognize the existence of their weapons.
The US remains a hypocrite.
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potsherd,
Get your boot closer to the perps, my man.
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Adam,
Thank you for this post. Mondoweiss, mondoweiss, thank you all for keeping us up to date on issues pertinent to the I/P situation.
Polone was fantastic. Perhaps it's becoming acceptable to broadcast these kinds of opinions on the MSM because of the great depth of support for the arguments among the American people.
FPM
"Brand Israel"
"Brand Toxicity"
"Brand Genocide"
"Brand Ethnic Cleansing"
"Brand Willy Pete"
"Brand Organ Brokerage"
"Brand Hatred"
Some mareketers can sell you anything.
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D..
I love the sarcasm. Stand for Freedom in Iran is another whitewash, mainly partnered by Jewish controlled American groups standing up for divide and conquer in another Middle Eastern State that they see as a threat to Israel.
Tikkun Olam indeed, which seems to translate more and more to heal the defense capability of Israel, and fuck the fingernails, oops, I mean the Arabs or Persians, as it takes at least one hundred to equal a fingernail of one of the chosen.
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Mooser,
In my last post, the "a return to European style pogroms" should be in quotation marks.
Mooser:
"But I would bet on them before I risk a penny on the people of Israel “changing”.
Why should they change? They are what they want to be."
I would go further and agree with Chris that we should toss most of the Zionist American Jews in with your "people of Israel". I would bet the farm on the populists before I would agree with the status quo we are now faced with. Moore is also accurate in his call for more "rough and tumble speech" to replace the kid gloves now used when discussing American Zionists whose interests lie in a foreign country, although their passports, one of which anyway, read USA. He's also spot on with his description of the knee-jerk reaction that this "rough and tumble speeck" would elicit, namely wails of "anti-semitism" and a return of European style pogroms.
You play right into it with this:
"I haven’t spent 30 years as a fish out of water without learning something about the populism’s attitude towards Jews. It won’t be fun."
Populism has no dark agenda towards Jews. Why don't you point your finger at Organized Jewish Groups, who claim to speak out for Jews as a whole. You should be attacking them, not populists, who may have justified bad feelings towards Organized Jewish Groups, but none against Jews.
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Witty,
The only rain you and your ilk will see from God is ACID RAIN for your sins.
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Sin Nombre,
Good post!! It's good to see someone pointing this out.
Can we spell
n - a - r - c - i - s - s - i - s - m ?
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syvanen,
The sooner you internalize the fact that you have wasted a lot of effort and well-intentioned political activism for a party that bows and scrapes for Jewish donations as much or more than the Republicans, the sooner you can take a more realistic look at the scene as a whole. I laugh when I see quotes like the one in Chris' post that puts "Jewish voters" before "Jewish donations". What a crock!!!
"It was the neocons and other rightwing zionist forces in this country that expressed outrage. "
The fact of the matter is that the entire PEP left liberal crowd ARE rabid rightwing Zionists when it comes down to the topic of Israel, no matter how they pretend to be different. Get the log out of your eye, man. The left-liberals shunned Carter like a red haired stepchild at a Chinese family picnic!!!!
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CM:
"What's wrong with this picture?"
FPM:
The answer to that question lies at the root of what's wrong with America.
You know it, and I know it, and the number of people coming to the realization
is growing by the day. Therefore, the manipulators will continue to promote racial disharmony as they continue their machinations in support of the rogue state. If too many people wake up to the fact, it could be bad news for the usual suspects.
FPM
"I know he's a wild man."
"the 'control' stuff is over the top"
"letting it rip"
Written like a good hack for the MSM Phil. I'm sure you'll get more lucrative freelance assignments if you continue to spin truthtellers as wildmen whose views are over the top.
You also miss another important point, one that Dan Kelly pointed out on a previous thread: Israel is NOT a democracy. It is a democracy for Jews only. Traficant got that part wrong, but it seems like he was stressing the "ally" part, not so interested in the democracy part.
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Dan,
What's wrong? Do you have something against the grandchildren of victims demanding reparations for the psychoanalysis that their grandparents' victimhood
has caused them to undergo?
Ridiculous!!!
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Dan,
Thanks for making that point; actually, the idea that he misspoke when he agreed with the interviewer that Israel was a democracy and an ally of the US DID register as I watched the interview, but it got sublimated in my mind by the overall surprise I had over seeing someone treat the subject with such candor and a total lack of the hysteria that usually accompanies it.
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Queue,
I watched the entire interview with Traficant, and I was very impressed. I imagine a lot of Americans will also be impressed with his willingness to tell the truth, and perhaps the tide will continue to change, and a politician who was destroyed by AIPAC and the Lobby will come back and be reelected. Let's face it; in the past, only those politicians who have recently retired from politics have had the gumption to open their mouths and state the facts about the Israeli Occupation of Congress. Times are changing. Smart Jews like Phil Weiss have come to the realization that the arrogant, underhanded manipulations and political actions of organized Jewish groups will eventually ricochet and hurt all American Jews as a whole, just as it has done throughout history. American Jews should be encouraged to open their mouths in opposition to AIPAC, Israel, the ADL, the Simon Weisenthal Center, etc. These groups are NOT GOOD FOR THE JEWS.
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Mooser,
You're paying attention to Richard again. I say ignore him, for he refuses to see truth and continues to spout his ignorance. I wish he would take a dose of his own medicine and try some self-criticism.
Go Max, go. This looks like a really hard hitting piece, one that will open eyes in many places. I agree with Nth Republic, and many of us, commenters on this site that is, have seen these clips before. The important point is that random clips will be collated into a presentable piece that will have the power to educate and inform those who haven't seen what the facts on the ground in Israel are.
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Israel has been trying to rebrand itself out of international condemnation for years!
Where do you think hasbara came from? Please, watch Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land for a rational analysis of the situation.
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"Any that seek to dispossess others from their homes (both ways), should remember that the person could be a Jew, and/or could be messiah in some form of disguise."
Witty's racism, pure and unadulterated. We can surmise that if you dispossess others who AREN'T Jews, it's permitted. Funny Richard, I would word it more like this.
"should remember that the person could be a human"
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"So the better question still seems to ne: why aren’t the usual news sources helping the Palestinian cause find viewers, readers, listeners the way they recently did for the Iranian election?"
It couldn't be because there are gatekeepers to the MSM who want to control the thinking of the American people, could it?!?! Are you insinuating that there is some kind of Jewish Zionist control of the dialog in the mainstream? How could you or I even think such a thing? It must be that old genetic defect, anti-semitism, rearing it's ugly head, complete with ticking eye and drooling maw. Abe Foxman calls it a "canard", and Abe chooses the word carefully, for his entire existence is based on the principle of "vendre un canard a moitie" or that of "half-selling a duck", which means to swindle. But seriously though, read something like Manufacturing Consent and take a look at Herman and Chomsky's analysis of the Propaganda Model; the MSM is a joke, how could you expect them to "help the Palestinian cause"? Does that put any bread on their butter?
Here are some of my lyrics for you. Contact me and I'll send you a rough mp3
Mainstream Media (To sow confusion)
Mainstream Media's agenda is clear
To sow confusion, spread lies, and fear
The Slimes in New York, Posted in Washington
They sow confusion, but now they're on the run
Weblogs growing, subscriptions down
shareprice falling down to the ground
Public trust lost, can't pay the rent
Smash the filters, manufacturing consent...
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Phil,
Thanks for telling the personal anecdote. I've always enjoyed your posts which touch on your persona and emotions as well as those that focus on your analysis of the I/P situation. You should have told the story, Phil. That story is now part of you, and you were untrue to yourself to hold it in. You still fear the retribution of the tribe, and it's not a good thing. If the "nice New York party of privileged Jews" were upset by your story, it's their problem, not yours. Continue to fight to be true to yourself, for this is what is truly important. Being true to your friends, tribe, community, nation, etc. is secondary.
The entire premise that any event presenting a viewpoint considered critical of Israel by the "gatekeepers of the discourse" must be "balanced" with a pro-Israel view is preposterous to begin with, and I reject it in its entirety. The idea that Walt and Mearsheimer should have to debate Dersh in order for their ideas and argument to be consumed by the general public: ridiculous!!! Until AIPAC conferences in the USA, attended by the groveling "servants" of the American people, your congresswipes, are opened with a speech by Hamas and Hezbollah spokesmen, we should reject completely any call for an "opposing veiw", read "hasbara blast of propaganda" in anti-Israel oppression activities.
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