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The War of Ideas in the Middle East
but, hey, hey. hey. it don't recognize the Land of the Pure either.
you'll have a difficult time finding a reputable surgeon willing to perform a second one.
try for additional ECT instead.
tree,
the guy didn't get snatched (and likely with the co-operstion of the Ukranians) because he's an engineer.
the Israelis do some damn strange things, but they're not quite so lacking in engineering expertise as all that.
and thank you for setting me straight about the location of his family.
Thanks, Kate, for the update on the Hamas guy, Dirar Abu Sisi that the Israelis have in custody.
When last I read anything about it, his wife and children were, from what I could gather, still staying in the Ukraine.
If his family hasn't yet returned, or doesn't soon return to Gaza, that might be of some little significance to the tale.
and if you come up with any info that shows that they're breaking laws, bring it forth.
it would be interesting to see just what unusual methods that this info-gathering employs.
mostly, even for spy agencies, folks just sit and read published and publicly available material. it's cheap and pretty effective.
screw him eternally, but your contention is really wrong.
-------it was legal to kill people who objected to Israel in the USA.----
A) he didn't say it was legal.
B) it's awfully silly to say he wanted to kill people for "objecting" to Israel.
Dear Omar Barghouti,
it’s sorta not illegal to gather information and sort it. it’s kinda just the thing that people in democracies, (even imperfect ones ) do and can not be told not to do.
I’m pretty sure that Adam Horowitz could explain to you that gathering up all available information and sorting in and presenting it to a select audience is a necessary and proper thing.
Gentlemen such as yourself may not read other people’s mail, but I’m sure there’s little impropriety in reading published letters or listening to public speech.
annie, I'm hoping that you enjoy a very long lifetime and that much clarity is yours.
fraternal greetings from your friendly amphibian.
no big point annie, just clarifiying your comment that the list was confiscated so that people here know that there were several copies of the thing and that it was something that the Israelis had prepared before they jumped the ship.
I'm guessing that they were looking for specific people onboard.
just a single copy of the list annie, and it was said to also include photos of some people.
Taxi, don't give up your day job. Your predictions aren't worth much.
If there's another war between Hezbollah and Israel (and I surely hope there is not) it'll be a great deal bloodier than the last one. Israel will suffer greater numbers of civilian deaths from Hez rockets, but the damage and death in Lebanon will be vastly greater than the last war.
At the end of it, though, there will be some glorious broadcast from a secret underground location and some Hez spokesman will announce a great defeat for Israel at the same time that the ordinary Lebanese people are digging out from the rubble.
Shingo, and therefore what? Does that imply that Israel hasn't right to respond to the kidnapping and the ambush that killed the soldiers that attempted to rescue the kidnapped soldiers?
Shingo, there was mortar fire prior to the kidnapping as a diversion.
Colonel Buckley, Shingo, and you don't get to decide who has business in Lebanon or get to excuse murder on that specious basis.
Pots, if they were taken by Lebanese soldiers they would be POWs.
facts that interfere with the nonsense view about Hezbollah not being murderers don't have to be counted. kidnapping, torturing and killing Americans always never happened if Hezbollah did it.
Walid,
sanctioned you say? how? had the Lebanese government issued them some sort of commission?
if Lebanon authorized the raid across the border, did the Lebanese government say it had?
I know that Israel agreed with you that the responsibility for the action rested with Lebanon.
the armed forces of which state with whom those IDF soldiers were engaged in warfare captured them during what bout of hostilities?
just the way that the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped, Chaos, with deliberate, precise and overwhelming force. they weren't POWs, they were crime victims.
different sites, different editors, different content, annie.
you might find that the Egyptian Ministry of Info controls ALL THE PRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!
link to english.ahram.org.eg
Chief Editor: Hani Shukrallah.
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link to weekly.ahram.org.eg
Editor-in-Chief ............Assem El-Kersh
different sites.
we surely don't have to like each other, and I'm pretty sure that you like me more than than I care for you, but let's just keep it together enough to read the same things at least close to the same way.
happy trails.
I didn't try at all to justify it, kid.
I don't understand what happened enough to even contemplate whether it's justifiable.
I'm hoping for more info about it. It's got my interest.
the subverting Lebanese sovereignty part is kinda worrisome.
you read it wrong, and you're overheating again.
------active in a new liberal political party and is the editor of Ahram Online, a news Web site. ------
AHRAM ONLINE is NOT Al-Ahram.
link to english.ahram.org.eg
you need some coolant.
EGYPT------
Referendum Overwhelmingly Approved
link to nytimes.com
“It is very, very disappointing,” said Hani Shukrallah, who is active in a new liberal political party and is the editor of Ahram Online, a news Web site.
jon s, what proof is there that Nasrallah's sadistic?
don't stretch the facts that way.
no. I mean Lebanese people and others.
LIBYA----
Anthony Shadid among four Times journalists released....
link to nytimes.com
Seham, Nasrallah isn't protecting Lebanese sovereignty from a damn thing.
He's subverting it.
People should be worried about what Nasrallah's associates do.
pepe can't really compete with depth of thought offered by Jack Handey.
link to deepthoughtsbyjackhandey.com
annie, you can get back to pepe all you like.
other folks find him shallow.
why not do a google search to find out the real sources of Gaddafi's weaponry over the last 40 years.
check which nations have had diplomatic relations with Gaddafi over the last 40 years and which have not.
and it took longer than a few decades.
-----Many of the weapons Gaddafi is using were sold by us to him –
Another load of horsehockey. Gotta try to dig up any old bs to make Gaddafi somehow the fault or responsibility of the West when all he amounts to is one more monster thrown up by the people of the Middle East to rule.
When Gaddafi was SELLING weapons to terrorists to use on Europeans or simply giving them away to them for use on Europeans and Americans, he certainly wasn't our pal, but he was a beloved figure in the Middle East by all those content to see terror loosed upon Westerners.
Well, now that Gaddafi's blowing up people close to home and no one is stopping him from painting Libya with Arab blood, Weiss is suddenly printing horsefeathers about the people that the Arab League called on to stop their own dear collegue.
You're near the Middle East, you're to be buying oil from one lousy regime or another.
Palin, is probably saving all available space for paying sponsors, sorta like those NASCAR drivers.
Since she quit government to became a paid spokesmodel for babbling idiots, she's had a hard time making ends meet.
I think that it’s great that J Street will be seeking to oust Netanyahu and also think that it’s way too soon for Weiss to be saying that it’s too late for Israel.
Wishes ain’t horses, Philip. Love them as you will, but you’re still afoot and far behind in the game.
Hey, us Hymietowners are even known to attempt to scarf lutefisk.
We're a well-varied and diverse group and someday hope to catch up to Houston!
Keith,
It's also highly likely that the 50,000 Israeli-hired mercenaries that Avi was talking about will use their low-tech Israeli-rental slingshots to bring down all the US/NATO warplanes and Gaddafi will then invade and conquer all of the Mediterranean.
Sumud,
you should be reasonably hopeful about what we're doing in Libya and not try to link it the the Gulf.
different situations, different countries.......
Shingo, there are several alternatives to accepting indirect negotiations for a ceasefire without definite and published terms.
A resumption of hostilities is only one alternative of at least three, so no to your inevitable.
yeah, if you take all the bigoted bullcrud out of her comments they don't sound half bad.
Pots, the stinking Arab League complaints could have been avoided if the weasels had done the job of protecting those people their own selves, instead of crapping around for a week and then punting it off.
Screw them for cowards and liars and let them suck on their complaint.
hop,the truce wasn't unilateral. Israel agreed to the truce and accepted it, though it's terms were interpreted differently from Hamas understanding of those terms.
but, for whatever it was worth, it was a bilateral agreement.
Excellent point, Mason. Terrorist gangs are not obligated by international law to allow Red Cross visits.
Not allowing the visit is therefore.....just business as usual.
Many bad or dishonest calculations and time-wasting dithering from the Arab league left it too late for merely "no-fly" to stop the slaughter.
At this point, it either had to be more active countermeasures or nothing.
6 months. expired in mid-Dec 2008.
yup. Israel did not want to have another similar truce after the expiration of that one.
they might have been willing to negotiate with Hamas for a different agreement or a different truce with more definite and different terms, but they were not willing to extend the expired truce.
the missiles were dropped on Libyan air defense installations.
kind of a necessity if you want to have UN planes flying overhead and keeping the Libyan military out of the skies.
==No doubt the contracts to rebuild the airports, infrastructureand buy new arms will go to France, the UK and US instead of China and Russia. Someone has to pay for the hundreds of millions of weapons used.===IrishMark
perhaps you could explain why it would not be appropriate for the Libyans to award rebuilding contracts that would, in some way, defray the cost of saving them from being massacred by their present government.
Russia is grousing about opposing Gaddafi by force and China may well be hoping that Gaddafi remains in power. The Chinese had 30,000 or more people in Libya working on contracts let by Gaddafi and Co.
Atwan says that it would be reason to celebrate other Arab nations were doing the fighting in support of the rebels.
That didn't happen though. They did about nothing, then punted it to the UN, knowing that it would be the US and Europe taking the risks and taking the blame for anything that might be wrong.
Salute them Philip, they are doing the right thing for the right reasons.
Chaos, you're such a fool that you wouldn't know a racist if one was sitting on your lap and feeding you peanuts.
bring your face around, Avi.
any of them.
DBG, no big point.
I felt it necessary to defend Avi because this was one of the few times when he actually had information and wasn’t simply full of sugar and sure his opinion was pure gold.
That the information wasn’t solid and he was hyping, is like, for him, a real good day.
Don’t be so hard on him.
He’s a regular!
Avi was quoted earlier reports which were based on statements given to the Lebanese Civil Defense and Lebanese Red Cross before the rubble was cleared.
The number reflects estimates of how many were said to be in the building not the number and people later removed and confirmed to have been killed.
hell, NOTHING is safe.......
----- "Israeli soldiers early Saturday opened fire on a taxi..."----
link to articles.cnn.com
It must take many hours to put these posts together and what seems a bad mistake to you is not going to be seen that way by anyone reading your post.
It's great to read that story about someone fully retaining his humanity despite everything aimed at tearing it away and I thank you for including it and Donald for calling it to my attention.
no sweat.
there have been other things where candy was distributed after people where murdered and I'm rather likely to have made a snide remark about such stuff.
not this.
I did not make a reference to Palestinians celebrating the 5 murdered people by passing out candy.
I doubt that anyone did say that and I doubt that there was any such public celebration.
There have been some really sick things celebrated but this one is a little too much for that.
hey, brismeat, fuster is all lower-case. thank you for your time and attention.
I hadn't noticed any such silence. I read hundreds of condemnations.
Sumud,
they probably felt a need to issue the condemnation for all the usual reasons that condemnations are issued.
ridiculous?
It's just reflexive complaining about the West, understandable but less than thoughtful.
It's hard to admit that countries that you paint as the bad guys are the only ones willing and, even worse, able, to ride to the rescue of guys you paint as good guys while the guys you paint as the brothers of the good guys do nothing to stop a massacre.
LIBYA------------
The no-fly zone is going to be serious and the US is now doing the heavy work for the other nations and establishing unchallenged air supremacy
U.S. fires on Libyan air defense targets
---------"Earlier this afternoon, over 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles fired from both U.S. and British ships and submarines -- struck more than 20 integrated air defense systems and other air defense facilities ashore," U.S. Vice Adm. William Gortney told reporters.--------
link to edition.cnn.com
SYRIA
Syrian mourners call for revolt, forces fire tear gas
--Assad said in a January interview Syria's leadership was "very closely linked to the beliefs of the people" and there was no mass discontent.---
-from reuters
it's in the third paragraph of the Israeli Constitution. look it up.
free love and bestiality, whips and chains, klezmer music and corn likker.
and the Jews were treated extremely well for two hundred years until it all changed.
annie, it's not a game. social progress is slower than I would wish and lousy conditions force good and well-intentioned people to make choices that they regret having to make.
I was young once and thought that the world was about to be re-made.
annie, I hope that it's now clear to you what it is that's central to their mission,,,,,,and what it is that they additionally do.
Again, I'm sorry that they felt that they had to cancel the rental, and I'm also unhappy that they got pressured into having to make a choice between undesirable alternatives.
They chose to stick to the core of their mission and avoid splitting the support from within their group and thereby slighted people outside their group and outside their core interest is all that I was trying to say.
I'm not confused, annie....
Mission-----
"The Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Community Center provides a home for the birth, nurture and celebration of our organizations, institutions and culture; cares for our individuals and groups in need; educates the public and our community; and empowers our individuals and groups to achieve their fullest potential."
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That's their mission statement..........
count the number of times the word "our" appears in it.
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then read me the part where it says that central to their mission is the international struggle for political equality for all the world's people.
annie, what is there not to get?
understanding that abridging free political speech in response to the demands of monied interests hostile to the message that is to be presented isn't too difficult for me to comprehend..
is it too difficult for you to understand that the LGBT Center in Manhattan chose to advance their own interests in hope of advancing the position of the group central to their mission rather than sacrifice their funding and endure a split WITHIN their own group rather than inconvenience a different group?
too hard to understand that they made an unsavory choice BECAUSE of their own mission?
annie, It ain't called the Civil Rights Center and it ain't the Siegebusters Center.
you and I might agree that they turned tail and caved in to pressure from their donor base, but renting space to an entirely different interest group with a different agenda is pretty far from central to their mission
and AFAIK, there isn't a right to have space rented to you for a political event or an obligation to rent that space.
sadly, it probably was.
Alaska doesn't deserve to have two Senators and Wisconsin's kind of iffy these days
Maybe one for Wisconsin and the other should be awarded to NYC.
The Times calls Israel a Western country rather than a Middle Eastern one. Absurd and oppressive and abusive treatment of migrant workers wouldn't be unusual otherwise.
you trust your common sense and realize that each attack will be said by the attacking party to be in retaliation for an attack by the other guy.
this stuff defies logic and confounds reason,Sumud. it's dirty war.
it's consistent with lousy rockets that defy attempts at aiming them.
firing rockets knowing that you don't know where the heck they're going to explode is usually considering an act of not-nicety in places where they consider such things as international law.
failure to have useful weapons is not considered an excuse for setting off lousy ones.
The Palestinians may wage war if they wish or if they feel that they must, Donald.
Witty, forget worrying about North. it's not his business to tell you what or where to post.
here's your link, annie..
The Islamic militant group Hamas that rules Gaza claimed responsibility for the mortar attack....
Appearing on Hamas Television, Abu Obeida, a spokesman for the group's military wing, said the mortar fire was aimed at deterring further Israeli attacks.
link to voanews.com
about the same definition as Goldstone used. not all that funny.
Yeah, the Jews have had a frustrating, desperate history, Pamela.
Some of their holidays recall some sad things.
I'm sure some of them also dread some Jewish holidays.
No, fuster was not being sarcastic. fuster was reminding everyone here that murder in the perceived interest of one group or another is a feature of this prolonged, dirty war for supremacy.
some of those horrible settlers talk about Goldstein with approval and call him a martyr, even visit his grave in the Kahane Memorial Park.
imagine saying such a thing about a deranged terrorist murderer.
From the Alternative Reality Press file.........
BAHRAIN EDGES CLOSER TO NORMALCY
link to gulfnews.com
EGYPT- The Referendum is tomorrow
link to bbc.co.uk
Many Egyptians say they plan to cast a ballot for the first time in their lives as a referendum on changes to the constitution takes place on Saturday, 19 March.
Yet, society is sharply divided over the changes, which many prominent supporters of the 25 January revolution, say do not go far enough.
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Egypt’s Referendum
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2011
by Steven Cook
----Can a parliament made up of remnants of the old regime, the Muslim Brotherhood, some “independent businessmen,” and possibly Nasserists be responsible for overseeing the drafting of a constitution that will make way for a pluralist and representative political system? I suppose it is possible, but I have my doubts.--------
link to blogs.cfr.org
Chu, yes of course it's all stolen......the perfidious British took it from the Ottoman Empire. It's really all Turkish property.
of course.
come over to my house. you can fight about it as bit as lowdown and nasty as the kid, the wife and I do.
good point annie. what proof is there that the membership is even mostly Jewish.
and besides, eee probably only means to say "any other campus organization"
and hopefully one year soon, they'll be another election, Sumud, and they can have the opportunity to burnish their claim to represent the Palestinians in the occupied territories.
it would be a happy day when there's unity enough to restore regular elections and return some small measure of control over the governance to the people.
Pots, there's no more inhumanity, evil or sadism among the Israelis than there is among the people surrounding them.
They're all people and decades of war and assorted sh1t and constant tension warps most people.
If peace ever comes it'll still be too late for some of the haters to lay down their burden.
WTF is the difference, eee? Sure, Hamas could do more to get them shoes and sure, some of it is cynical and exploitative, but why should Israel block deliveries of kids' shoes?
on top of the moral failure, it's just stupid.
and even weirder, it may be a rational (or even irrational) calculation that the interests of the US are served by allying with Israel.
Some folks in this country have far different ideas than others and some of those folks elected by the conservative and Christian parts of the country sure think differently than other folks.
that Witty quote doesn't equate to Lieberman's plan at all.
Lieberman call for pushing out the Arabs from the land. Witty calls for ceding the land.
maybe you could see your way clear to adjusting your notebook, give Witty a break on that one.
how dare you agree with anything I say. how dare you.
neither Judaism nor Zionism is necessary to the other. Their connections aren't necessarily very string and Judaism will be jes' fine without Zionism.
the alleged BDS folks allegedly spend money, annie. does it allegedly come from their alleged enemies or from their alleged supporters?
I'm sure that you remember correctly, just as I'm sure that you sometimes understand correctly.