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born part Arab part Scots/Irish, worked in training ulema for the european environment/ journalist broadcaster for many years working mainly for bbc. From a faction of euro-islam much favored by the establishment, writer etc nothing really of interest may as well move along.

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  • Liberal Zionists seek to strip Naftali Bennett of freedom to travel in hope of saving two-state solution
    • "Annie rocks" I know I have a little crush myself, and thats not the Laphroiag talking, just yet, will log back in after the looming Cork city session concludes sometime tonight, drinking with Boiys is a solemn social obligation, thus relying on ibni Hanbal I will undertake my duties, no wine or even whine though, we all know thats Haram hanging with the old IRA, God bless them and the water charge here has everyone radicalized, and one does what one can to encourage it. Enda Kenny came here and couldnt leave his limo.

      anyone remember Abdullah's death threat to Khadaffi and that Arab-Arab thing, not unlike that Black on Black stuff we all take comfort in, damn it is the Laphroiag..

  • We're all anti-American now
    • "I know that the imbalance is structural: bright young men are deprived of equal opportunity"

      fuck me Phil we all have an equal opportunity to sell out, bless you, what happened to Jewish smarter than others? respect man its a brutal white supremacist world out there, none of us come out this alive, look at Annie a paragon, we love and respect you man, your efforts are exemplary, you are like, almost our equal, innit.

  • 'Racist, fascist bullshit'-- Marcel Ophuls exposes Islamophobia in Israel
    • yeah its the wonder of 'Europe" and all the joy it brings us.

    • heretic!

      conversion to Islam is simple but we are fucked, perhaps super fucked, if that is possible, have you seen the Last Samurai, your wife wont let you join us, no one exceeds Muslim in the self destruction stakes.

  • Palestinian minister dies after Israeli army assault during olive tree planting ceremony in West Bank village
    • which was a response to the murder of Abu Ali Mustapha, as if you didn't know. Ze'evi was an enthusiastic supporter of assassination, what are you complaining about.

      "Mustafa was killed by two rockets fired from two Israeli Apache helicopters through his two office windows, as he sat at his desk in his office in Ramallah, in a targeted killing on 27 August 2001.[2][3][4] Over 50,000 mourners attended his funeral. He was married with three daughters and two sons. The PFLP subsequently renamed their armed wing in the Occupied Palestinian Territories the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades. He was succeeded as Secretary General by Ahmad Saadat.

      Israeli tourist minister Rehavam Ze'evi was allegedly assassinated by the PFLP in revenge for his killing. Ze'evi was a strong supporter of Israel carrying out targeted killing of Palestinian militants."

      link to en.wikipedia.org

  • Promoting regime change in Iraq paved the way to regime change at the New Republic
    • truth is there is no one like Angela Davis, if not the whole of the wing she sure is the leading edge, moralism and apologetics have crippled the leftist discourse that is allowed in to the press, neo-liberal ideas have infected everything, after all fundamentalisms are all about not reading or contemplating and stamping on indeterminacy till it turns in to fascism.

      somewhere in the great Dharmakaya one hopes that foucault, zitta acosta and abou ala al marri and combining in the swirling hulm into a radical godzilla, looks like this is what we have now

    • well as you will see once you research it, its causing a bit of stir, there were some tweets i think between Ahmed and Freedland, The Guardian may seem to an American reader to be superior to some American organs but it performs the same function as the mainstream media your side of the pond, blunting opposition to whatever the policies of the day are, however like the New Statesman of old it always patronized a few really radical writers, I am not following this stuff any more, but there is some disgust with their conduct in this matter, only time servers are welcome in the halls of the press nowadays.

      I worked for the BBC World Service for years and when BBC Radio 4 told to me go to hell, only allowing me to do prayer for the day I was told by my producer at the WS "Dont worry dear boy they are very ideological at R4" truth is they are pretty ideological everywhere, i even wrote for the Financial Times but the WS and Radio2 liked my crazy ghetto boy drug and crime saga's, a little local colour always sells. That you have heard of Nafeez Mosadegh Ahmed is a testament to your alertness, he linked protective edge to energy issues, which is apparently to some people going too far.

    • "Another good piece on the New Republic’s racism is by Max Fisher at Vox. He worked at the place and is now embarrassed that he didn’t speak out, even as the magazine was insulting black people left and right"

      what counts as left in America is a mystery to me and many others in the socialist nightmare of the EU but the Nafeez Ahmed scandal at the Guardian is interesting he wrote an article about Gaza, J Freedland is implicated, Ahmed blogs at "The Cutting Edge"

      link to telesurtv.net

      and

      link to indymedia.org.uk

  • Saban confronts Bennett: 'Are you willing to cut commercial ties with Europe?'
    • you might enjoy this fractured free read of Goddards "History of Christian-Muslim Relations"

      link to books.google.ie

    • in football the penalty kick is an Irish invention, well the Milford, county Donegal, goal keepers invention at a time when enthusiastic tackling could lead to death or serious maiming, shoot outs are one thing, i prefer sudden death aka golden goal from open play. its good manners to source ones claims, with credible wiki type sources being the dog bollocks, init.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

  • Mamdani's 'holistic' challenge: Anti-Zionists must persuade Jews they can only be safe by dismantling the Jewish state
    • i mean, 'oppositional identities' is a classic, i tremble before their power, has there ever been such an utter d**k head as TBK, no, i assert, there has not, if you are in any way perplexed. i may have drunk too much, but "antithesis", big words small 'ideas', what a "pr**k".

    • "I don’t think it was pointed out by Phil or in the comments that Mr. Mamdani is from the Ugandan Indian community and with out a doubt this informs his understanding of when and how immigrants become natives and his interest (which I share) in interrogating the very notion of Native." Yes everyone sucks, especially Mamdani and Gandhi

      "his understanding of when and how immigrants become natives....(which i share)"

      Have you read Define and Rule, or you just guessing, to assert that it has anything whatsoever to do with "how immigrants" ie colonizers, a very special category of "immigrant" become "native" shows your utter illiteracy forgive my not getting into this farago let us consult a review by someone who has read Mamdani and judge for yourselves link below.

      "Gandhi include some less than what is taken as Gandhi-like comments about the position of Indians versus black South Africans with the impression that his gripe was being included among them rather than among the English with whom he was educated" Only some one who has never read Gandhi could possibly imagine any of that crap, but yes Gandhi is unlike "Gandhi" anyway please read link and demonstrate where any thing is about "immigrants", not colonizers of course, becoming "natives" your whole post is a non-sequitur, do you know who the late Yusuf Bala Usman was? was he Fulani or Hausa, his seminal work if memory serves was "The Misrepresentation of Nigeria" for f*ks sake man, i suppose its an advance on Jews are a natural part of the middle east but shit you are an idiot if you think no one reading here is familiar with this debate. so over to Chloe Ahmann, you have to admit pretty damn good for a girl.. i will leave others to judge.. but to put it simply no one is a "native"..of course Mooser sees through you, you are transparent....

      link to academia.edu

  • 14 Palestinians injured by Israeli army fire in Ramallah clashes
    • Who did find the dead sea scrolls?

      "As the story goes, a shepherd of the Ta'amireh tribe left his flock of sheep and goats to search for a stray. Amid the crumbling limestone cliffs that line the northwestern rim of the Dead Sea, around the site of Qumran, he found a cave in the crevice of a steep rocky hillside. Intrigued, he cast a stone into the dark interior, only to be startled by the sound of breaking pots. This sound echoed around the world. For he had stumbled on the greatest find of the century, the Dead Sea Scrolls. ‏Upon entering the cave, the young Bedouin found a mysterious Bedouin goatherds Jum'a and Muhammed ed-DibBedouin goatherds Jum'a and Muhammed ed-Dib (left to right) claimed to have discovered the first Dead Sea Scrolls
      Photo:
      John C. Trever JarsSome of the scrolls may have been hidden in jars like these, which were found in the excavations of the caves and the site of Qumran
      Photo:
      Mariana Salzberger Khalil Eskander Shahin (Kando), Bethlehem antiquities dealerKhalil Eskander Shahin (Kando), Bethlehem antiquities dealer
      Photo courtsy of:
      Alexander Schick collection of large clay jars. The majority were empty and upon examining the remaining few, he found that the jars were intact, with lids still in place. However, a closer look revealed nothing but old scrolls, some wrapped in linen and blackened with age.

      ‏He and several companions brought the scrolls to Kando, a Bethlehem antiquities dealer, for appraisal. Intrigued by the findings, Kando sent the Bedouin back to the caves in search of more treasures. To his delight, they returned with a total of seven scrolls. ‏Blind to their real value, the Bedouin sold four of the seven scrolls to Kando and three to a second antiquities dealer named Salahi. Kando then resold the four scrolls to Archbishop Samuel, head of the Syrian Orthodox Monastery of St. Mark in Jerusalem."

      link to deadseascrolls.org.il

  • Israel has no answer to BDS, Barghouti tells packed hall at Columbia
    • replying to a snippet of Annie's reply to some Zionist dude in the thread above,

      "a speech by an iman" yes the Imam Amir Abdel Malik Ali nee Derek Gilliam, former NOI black nationalist, he is a very angry man, but i guess more a product of America than anything else and apparently acting within US law, as he is still a free man, Imam does mean Alim and even Alim is little guarantee of religious literacy, I was an Imam once and I know bugger all, but do not subscribe to weird American style racial and religious theories, a Sunni Imam merely needs to know the difference between bowing down and bending over, a Shia "Imam" is the elect of God, ulul-Azm and all that.

    • "if it were my decision I would have Israel found a colony somewhere in South America or Africa and people it with its excess population" and why not Europe? dont you think founding colonies, fun as it sounds is the problem, you want yet another "colony", and who is to say who is excess, are you an excess citizen, and do you have a spare room or two where you are?

  • It's always been a holy war
    • "to those who were unjustly expelled from their homes only because they said, "God is our Lord." Had it not been for God's repelling some people through the might of others, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which God is very often worshipped would have been utterly destroyed. God shall certainly help those who help Him. He is All-powerful and Majestic."

      well thats 22.40 what abrogates that or is itself an abrogation? M'hem, has no idea what naskh is, it is of course disputed, there are various kinds all relating to fiqh, or the study of proofs, forensic proofs, but nowhere does any one except the ignorant or stupid or malicious claim that spiritual or moral or exhorting statements like those quoted by jd can be abrogated, there are voluminous books written on the subject, all very tedious for those not that way inclined like Kitab al kharaj and of course Usul al Jassas, Abu Bakr al Jassas encyclopedic rendering of his teachers, a Hanafi jurist who came after the eponymous Shafi'i, al Kharki's lectures, so the nasikh w'al mansukh is a legal matter, as to disproving the Quran, do you think history is over and that having a state is peculiar favour bestowed by God, states are rather mundane nasty little things we have many for all the good it does us, and as to God being angry with Jews, have you read your own book? God must love Christians and their many storied states, you sound insane and deeply deluded sadly you are not alone.

  • #JusticeForMikeBrown: NFL star Reggie Bush connects Ferguson to Palestine
    • Simple brief informative piece By Anthony DiMaggio

      "The central problem is that, if professors and teachers are not promoting critical thought, how will these students understand the broader political, economic, and social contexts underlying events like the Ferguson protests? The simple answer is that they won’t. In our national media environment, journalists and pundits shamelessly stereotype African Americans and Hispanic males as violent criminal thugs by portraying them as perpetrators of violent crime at far greater rates than actually occur in reality. Without the knowledge and information to challenge these stereotypes, citizens can’t recognize the broader inequality and injustices that exist in metropolitan regions and across the country.'

      link to counterpunch.org

    • sorry but there seem to be few reply buttons so Sean baby, I have scanned your reply and since you are both ignorant and selling uncritical acceptance of the pablum being offered by the police as critical thought i am generously suggesting that you buy and read the text linked below a significant preview can be sampled at link.

      Max Blumenthal has an interview here where he is apparently introducing several people to modern anti-racist discourse, for the last 20 years Black activists have been arguing that anti-racism as a paradigm needs to be abandoned as it all too easily locates the problem within Blackness, the problem as it is now conceived is white privilege, the problem is whiteness as conceived within a system of privilege, not the much pathologised black community, if you want to see thuggishness in action go see Marco Williams "Banished" or read about it.

      Check out Bassem Masri a Palestinian from Ferguson instead of channeling O'Reilly and berating the "progressives" or Palestinians, you do not wonder how this narrative about an unarmed young man has been constructed, critical thinking my scarred arse. You assume that the self serving version presented by the perpetrator is true? why, a 12 year old thug was shot twice in the center of his body mass from 10ft by a police officer, I await the justification with interest. There will no trial of Wilson, you dont find that odd, due process? and yet you have convicted Brown on the basis of a campaign of innuendo and you state he was Thug, so his execution with 6 bullets is justified and needs no examination, its ridiculous.

      in 1997 in my manor the Police killed Marlon Downes, Jamaican, after the inquest ruled an open verdict because his death by suicide, as the police claimed was literally impossible, look into it, what history doesnt record is that exemplary beatings administered to local police by myself and others forced them to close those vile dungeons within days of Marlons death, we broke into Harrow police station and kicked the living shit out of the CID officers we believed to have been responsible, and thus justice was served to the best of our limited abilities, there were no arrests we got away scot free and we all felt vindicated, it led to a strong communal resistance to police abuse and increased local solidarity, it aint pretty but for some people its all we have, I was a professional journalist and educator, i maintained cordial relations with the royal household where i reviewed the speeches of Charles where they dealt with Islam and vetted Muslims he wished to interact with, i have always been a polymath, thugs you know can have intellectual lives and professional careers, they learned their lesson and for several years the black people of those North London boroughs noticed a reduced level of police violence, nothing lasts but we got some respite, you need to look deeper in to things

      Michael the "thug" Brown has no serious juvenile convictions, he graduated high school and was due to go to college, the video that so impressed you seems to me to amount to very little, exactly the same shit was said of Steven Lawrence, murdered by young white working class racists not 2 miles from where i worked for 30 years, it turned out he was a model student waiting to start an Architecture degree, had he been a thug he would not have died he was in fact rather naive.

      But the one thing that convinced me to dismiss your idiocy was your revolting insolence in suggesting that Palestinians from Bi'lin are "milking" anything, listen shit head they are expressing solidarity with another despised and much abused people, not selling soap to indolent racists like you, what was Mandela selling when he expressed solidarity with Palestine or Tutu, a mercenary creep such as yourself can not understand principle, there is no bottom line. They are doing what is right.

      A local black business owner in Ferguson remarked that while he hoped his businesses were not looted with out this burning and looting no one would be paying any attention, "Y'all wouldnt be here" he said motioning to the media "it would be swept under the rug"

      Brown was 18 years of age for fuck sake, that his death doesn't move you to question the authorities is nauseating and the anti-thesis of critical thinking, there are quite a few articles around explaining the context of his communities rage, on Dissident Voice and Informed Comment, neither of which i particularly like however in this instance they are doing creditable work, that you impress yourself and other clowns with your semi-sensate ramblings is pitiful. you do not deserve any serious engagement the estimable Annie is quite right, punk.

      link to amazon.com

    • As to the he was no angel meme Tim Wise puts himself on the line

      That’s the refrain, repeated for over two months on social media by defenders of Officer Darren Wilson, convinced that Michael Brown was little more than a violent and dangerous thug, worthy of death that August day in Ferguson.

      From the beginning, Brown’s strong-arm theft of cigars from a local market was used by Wilson’s supporters as justification for whatever happened to him. “Thieves deserve their fate,” came the refrain from many a (mostly white) Facebook feed—this, from persons who have never openly advocated death for, say, Wall Street bankers who stole a lot more than Swisher Sweets. Nor have they likely ever contemplated what such a maxim might suggest about the merited destinies of their own white ancestors, for whom theft of land and the labor of others was central to the development of the very country those same commentators now call home.

      “He had weed in his system,” cried others, suggesting that marijuana use either justifies being shot by a cop, or at the very least might explain his “aggressive behavior” towards Officer Wilson—the kind of thing that could only be said by someone who had never smoked much weed. Attacking police officers is, as a general rule, the last thing on your mind when you’re high.

      link to timwise.org

    • A message from the beloved leader

      "Some progressives have rallied behind Michael Brown without doing much critical thinking"

      When "progressives" engage in critical thought they come up with a concatenation of right wing talking points?

      " Serious Palestinian Activists" is comedy gold, unlike the weekenders pictured above I suppose?

      "Not smart from the point of view of practical politics" stop man you are a tragedy, while we may well be playing checkers it seems you are struggling with tic tac toe.

  • Israeli occupation stoking 'holy war' in Jerusalem
    • heres the link again, forgot first time, and i would guess the simple answer is no

      link to jews-for-allah.org

    • Dear Annie if you have a little time Ghada Hashem Talhami has written a nice if long piece on
      fadhail al quds (w' al sham) etc, i excerpt below, you may enjoy

      " Muslims proceeded to build shrines to various religions, not only to Islam, as soon as they entrenched themselves around Jerusalem's sacred-rock area. By the ninth century CE, the Haram al-Sharif, where the Dome of the Rock and the Aqsa Mosque stood, was also dedicated to non-Islamic religions. Shrines were built to honor David, Solomon and Jesus. In addition, since Jews did not regard the Western Wall of the Temple with veneration until the sixteenth century, the Wall was dedicated as a Muslim shrine commemorating the area where Muhammad tethered his winged horse, al-Buraq, on the night of his celestial journey. Historians assume that a small Jewish synagogue probably stood near the wall during the Umayyad and Abbasid periods, but until the beginning of the Ottoman period, Jews worshiped mainly at the Mount of Olives."

  • The occupied territories are 7000 miles from New Mexico but I felt like I never left home
    • and Bassem Masri " We gonna do what we feel"

    • A Lesson in Resistance from our Native American Brothers

      March 2, 2013. Wounded Knee. For those who’ve spent the last few decades fighting for freedom, liberty and civil rights, the centuries-old struggle for self-determination by American Indians has been one pillar of the current struggle. But the growing numbers of outraged Americans suddenly fighting back seem unaware that an entire segment of America has been fighting the same battle, successfully. It’s time to learn some lessons on organized resistance.

      Annie Mae Aquash (1945 - 1975)

      Protest, Resistance, and Dissent in Native Americans

      In 2007, a college student produced a four-minute video for his anthropology class. The movie-short is basically no more than a Power Point presentation to the sounds of modern Native American punk music. But the video hems together an armed struggle by an entire race of people against the United States federal government that has spanned 300 years. But it’s the past 30 years that the video concentrates on. And for those angry Americans who want to protest their government, they could take a lesson from those who’ve spent the last 40 years traveling that same road.

      link to whiteoutpress.com

  • Wall around Bethlehem is Christmas billboard in Atlanta
    • "Aren’t we the ones who say that Biblical claims have nothing to do with the rights of people 2000 years later and then we..."

      what do you mean "we"... white man?

  • 'Palestine is an anxiety' for Americans-- Salaita in New York
    • "Anxiety" I understood Salaita's remark to be about the fact that it is traditional in the USA to assume that the colonization of the Native Americans is something relegated to history, past, regrettable no doubt, but past, rather than on-going and that its all settled done and dusted irrevocable and addressed as best as it can be. He brings up the Black Hills and the many treaties which still have legal force, being agreements between sovereign entities, I am not in a position to judge but recall the 1941 appeal by Canadian First nation to the UN and Winston Churchill, who replied graciously to the Iroquois, but privately warned the Canadian Government to reject any revisiting of their demands , there are are there not Native American activists who wish to revisit the issues? In my experience people laugh at the notion that the issue of native Americans is a live issue, is that not an indication of anxiety, a refusal to see these as real, current and on-going, I am not in position to judge but recall the Pelletiers and their statements, I had a friend who once met Dennis Banks and was both surprised and impressed by how live he and his folk considered the situation.

      for instance the stuff linked below, which will not allow me to cut and paste a preview

      below that is a Julie Pelletier piece., on "third space of sovereignty", here now not lost in history, isnt that the "anxiety"

      "The author reveals the "colonial ambivalence" of the United States as a settler-state, an ambivalence that can trap Indians in a paradox. For example, Bruyneel describes how Indian tribes are imagined and described before the recent gaming economic success of some tribes. They were "out of time"—situated in a mythical past, inexorably damaged by colonization and their own savagery—and therefore they were too weak to govern themselves and so they must be governed by the settler-state for their own good. More recently, successful gaming tribes are also seen as "out of time"—they have stepped too far from their Noble Savage essence—and therefore they are too strong and must be governed and controlled for their own good."

      link to bsnorrell.blogspot.ie

      link to mwbdvjh.muse.jhu.edu

  • South African activists reflect on parallels between life under apartheid and Israel/Palestine today
    • "SA and Palestine are vastly different. The original inhabitants of SA are not the Bantu tribes who rule the country now, but the Khoisan bushmen. They got displaced and genocided by both the Boers and the Bantu tribes when they migrated into the area today known as SA in the past"

      your are peddling worn out colonial propaganda

      The Myth of the Empty Land
      Shula Marks

      "Who would have guessed from this that when visitors to South Africa at the beginning of the twentieth century wrote and spoke of racial conflict they were referring to the differences between English and Afrikaans-speaking South Africans, and that the differences between them is still as great as between any two of the so-called 'Black Nations'?...........Over the past ten or fifteen years, scholars in these disciplines, together with the historians, have begun to assemble a picture of South Africa's past which is dramatically at variance with the official version. Although there are still innumerable uncertainties and blurred edges, the evidence, especially from archaeology, has nonetheless transformed our understanding of the peopling of southern Africa and of the countless adaptations made by the earlier inhabitants of the sub-continent to master their environment. Most revolutionary has been the development of the radio-carbon dating techniques which have enabled us radically to reinterpret the past 2,000 years of its history.

      In the 1920s and 1930s South Africa led the way in research on early man and the Stone Age, but it has only been relatively recently, and in part in response to developments north of the Limpopo, that South African archaeologists have begun to investigate sites dated to the last couple of thousand years. These cover the final stages of the Late Stone Age and the advent of what is termed the Iron Age, a dramatically new departure which saw the introduction of agriculture, settled villages, iron-using and pottery and which seems also to be associated with the arrival in the sub-continent of a new people of negroid physical character. As more and more carbon dates have been processed from the Early Iron Age sites which stretch in a thin scatter over southern, central and eastern Africa, so it has become apparent that the first Iron Age farmers south of the Limpopo River as to the north of it, arrived there early in the first millennium AD, and not, as had been previously assumed, relatively late in the second . The earliest dates we have for the Iron Age in South Africa go back some 1,200 years before the Portuguese first rounded the southern tip of the continent in search of the kingdom of Prester John and the fabled riches of the East in 1488. Excavations at Silverleaves and Eiland in the northeastern Transvaal, and Enkwazini near St. Lucia Bay on the Zululand coast have given dates for Iron Age settlements as early as the third to fourth centuries AD. These dates are remarkably close to the first Iron Age dates north of the Limpopo in Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, as well as for Zambia and Malawi."

      link to historytoday.com

  • Revisiting 'Graveyard of Numbers': Israel refuses to return remains of Palestinian militants as a punitive measure
    • Walid from point 2 nashk (abrogation), is a far from universally accepted process, the whole idea betokens the bad faith of good many scholars, he is of course correct to mention it in that many scholars engaged in this weird activity and in the frankly hilarious discussions of the mushaf and the ''Quran " and the famous "missing" word or verse debacles, its a favorite of anti-Muslim ideologues and i suppose rightly so, but has always been attacked in toto by many scholars, for the very good reason that it makes no sense what so ever, the whole area is replete with clearly forged hadith, of which of course there are very many, and invented but textually abrogated verse's whose rulings are nonetheless still in force, the whole area is a cause of embarrassment and tool for the promotion of humility for Muslims, for instance in the case of stoning for adultery which is with out basis in the Quran, some cunning blokes invented their own "Quran". I was always taught that hadith cannot be used to interpret the Quran, paradoxically only the Quran can be used to interpret the Quran, thats a pretty standard Azharite position. It always makes me think of that Bill Hicks joke about Southern fundamentalists opining "I think what God meant to say....".

      I am listening to an extended BBC farago about the perils of home grown terrorism, we can all kiss some cherished rights good bye, surveillance must be total.

      Louay Fatoohi writes

      I also study the main relevant ḥadīths and show that they lack credibility. We will see, for instance, that most of these alleged verses are non-legalistic, yet all modes of abrogation imply that they deal with verses that introduce legal rulings. Using legal-textual abrogation to explain the absence of the alleged verses from the muṣḥaf is not only doomed to fail, but is also self-contradictory as abrogation, by definition, cannot be applied to those missing passages.

      The abrogation of the wording but not the ruling of a Qur’anic verse is the subject of Chapters 11 and 12. There are two passages that are not found in the muṣḥaf and a missing word from a verse in the muṣḥaf that are claimed to represent “textual abrogation,” as I call this mode of abrogation. I examine the so-called “stoning verse” separately in Chapter 11, because of the length of this discussion, and I deal with the other two cases in Chapter 12.

      Again, Ḥadīth narratives are used to support these claims. Yet my examination of these ḥadīths will show that they cannot be linked to the Prophet. As is the case with the instances of legal-textual abrogation, the alleged passages are not historical, i.e. they were never part of the Qur’an. Their absence from the muṣḥaf is not due to abrogation, another mechanism, deliberate manipulation, or accident. It is simply a reflection of the fact that none of them is a Qur’anic verse.

      Having reviewed the three modes of abrogation, my conclusion is that abrogation is a phenomenon that lacks any support from the Qur’an. The three modes were developed to address three different concerns. Legal abrogation, which was probably the first mode of abrogation to appear, was the result of perceived contradictions between certain Qur’anic verses. These misinterpretations were at times chosen by exegetes to explain the prevalence of certain practices that contradicted Qur’anic rulings.

      Legal-textual abrogation was needed to rationalize the belief driven by certain narratives that the muṣḥaf did not contain all verses of the Qur’an. In the case of textual abrogation, which is the last mode of abrogation to be proposed, the alleged two passages and one missing word from the muṣḥaf were invented to give Qur’anic support to widely accepted legal rulings. In the case of stoning, this ruling was in conflict with verses in the muṣḥaf.

      link to quranicstudies.com

    • Daniel McGowan writes "Some of Us Still Remember" about the site of Har Nof, the disclaimer after the article is also interesting

      link to dissidentvoice.org

  • One week in Jerusalem and -- it's not complicated
    • an aside: while in the hills of St Bess, a young man Pempe fucked a cow which died 48 hours later, now as a cow is a huge investment for a poor Jamaican farmer and as no one locally would touch it, it was packed off to a processor in Black River. I cant say if it was Halal or not but on the grounds of "you eat it if you want" we all resolved to avoid beef patties till we were confident it has passed down the line. As the creature died we were all a little afraid of Pempe, when he was accused of also fucking the goats up at Daley and sacked from shepherding them, he appeared by the cross roads with a tethered goat and exclaimed that "Me na need fuck your goats, me have me own", riposte escaped us as I say we were all afraid of him and his death dealing member.

      While it is true that Christian culture has little understanding of religious law as practiced by Muslims and Jews, the reason they find this funny is because it is. I recall having a little spat, my behavior is often crude and unpleasant, with Walid, who is always exemplary, about a dar-ul uloom Sheikh who opined that a woman who breast fed a male co-worker 5 times would not be required to cover her hair in his presence, in Egypt we laughed and derided him, so the reason that people find this funny is because it is, its not a new holocaust, it evinces no prejudice what so ever, the fact that you invoke Dave Duke and the blood soaked ignorance of Maher et all betokens your disgusting habit of lying in wait so you can play the victim, dont Jews have laws about that, we do.

      Really as to eating cattle fucked by men as I say to quote the Aboriginal dream time scripture, you eat if you want too, who cares whether its Halal, leaving aside the interesting legal niceties. Its funny what of it.

    • Dear John might I recommend if you haven't already seen it Razaks " Dark Threats and White Knights" its background stuff, a good deal can be read for free at link, judge for yourself if its the kind of thing that may interest you:

      link to books.google.ie

  • Muslims' beliefs are 'untrue' and 'ridiculous,' 'Salon' author says, offering support for Maher's intolerance
    • " I genuinely believe what I say about Islam and other religions."

      but on the basis of what knowledge? and her book is no "apologia", virulent ignorance is a poor basis for "belief", however "genuine".

    • Rayyan, you are the well known reviewer and writer I guess, if so I enjoyed your review of Massads "Desiring Arabs" and would recomend your oevre to all, so not to demur from the points you raise, but have you seen Waltons piece linked below, as to the Da'ish sure but the political realities from which it is emerging are determinative, perhaps Jebreal would have been better to say poorly attested, but people do have the right to interpret as they see fit.

      link to jadaliyya.com

    • and of course no Islamic polity was ever ruled exclusively by Sharia, I think Seafoid once mentioned Kanun (from Canon Law) which under the provisions of "Urf" etc was usually a component of the legal structure where Chritstinity had once been practised and though Hinduism is an anachronism both the Indic religions and specifically Budhhism were recognized and accepted as "Divine" religions, in the case of Buddhism Gautama was their Prophet and Abhidharma was their Book. Abdallah Ansari of Herat drew heavily from Buddhism in the writing of the "Hundred Grounds". I will have to check with the Caliph, if he is still with us. I always liked Kishks summation of modern Islamic scholarship "They have read three pages of Ibni Taymiyyah and pose as defenders of the faith, its a farce"

    • oh and just an irrelevant point those not familiar with Vajrayana Buddhist esoteric philosophy might not get the links with Qunawi's commetary and the five Buddha families etc, I would contend that "A Treasure Trove of Scriptural Transmission" the commentary by Lonchenpa (Longchen Rabjam) on his "Basic Space of Phenomena" and its epitomes of the various classes of Tantra in particular, "The Dynamic Energy of the Lion", "The all Creating Monarch" and "The Reverberation of Sound" and many others are indispensable to the understanding of all religion including Islam, but they are very difficult and require determined application.

      well pip pip and on to the next Abrahamic catastrophe.

    • sorry to interject chet this is the nearest reply button, to MRW, bintbiba and just, it was entirely MRW's post, and you are all too gracious i am very moved, it reminded me of the great Yitzhack Yehuda "Ignacs" Goldziher and a western scholarship of Islam that was erudite profound and free of the claustrophobic idiocy that passes for such today, though his reach was limited and inspired many reactions from Muslim scholars, with scholars such as him dialogue is fruitful he has no peer today. I could not recommend his work highly enough, I met people who had studied under him, MRW's generous link brought it all back, I can not recommend him highly enough, I think one Azami (?) wrote an interesting defense of the Ulema view of these same topics, the recently deceased Nehemia Levtzion was another great Jewish and Israeli scholar, we will not see their like again. Walahi barakficum.

      link to goodreads.com

      link to amazon.com

    • "but it seems that Quranic idea of “Holy War” was borrowed from Torah,"

      the Quranic idea of holy war? no such idea exists either in the Quran or Islamic literature generally, Jihad does not mean war, holy or otherwise. The phrase Holy war ( al-harb al-muqadassah) is unknown in Arabic. Muslim rulers got up to all sorts, as did their hired hand scholars, Islam being essentially discursive is full of myriad disputes, the expansionist rulers and their lackeys made no utterances that were not derided by other scholars, who represents Islam? not a single one of them on any side of any argument, not very satisfactory perhaps but there we are, it is what it is. I suspect Muslim rulers got the idea of aggressive war the same place everyone else does, Muslims i suspect are much less interested in Islam than are some non-Muslims. Calling something a Jihad solved many legal problems they would have faced in compelling folk to provide troops, booty is at all times, even our own, a great motivator.

    • why 188, i would guess the casual reader would be better starting from the beginning of chapter of 5 and though there is much to dispute with Briffault about, it is interesting and he has read some stuff, he is a relief from the utter inanity of discussions of Islam current in western media and popular discourse. He is particularly remembered by some for his "Decline and fall of the British Empire", naughty, naughty boy, he died mid last century, and was not a social anthropologist by training, a medical man if memory serves.

      As we are getting all Islamic studies might I offer two brief pieces one some poems by a well known Cadi ( Sharia Judge) and scholar
      and a little hadith scholarship by his best known pupil, enjoy.

      link to ibnarabisociety.org

      link to ibnarabisociety.org

  • Israeli government plans 185 miles of new Jewish settler roads in the West Bank
    • what you doing 6.30pm today?

      [Dublin] Evening meeting with Ilan Pappe & Yaser Alashqar: The role of academics in the struggle for justice in Palestine (AFP & UCD ISOC)
      Thu, 13 November 2014, 18:30 Red Room, New Student Centre, UCD Belfield.
      ig-ucd

      EVENING MEETING

      The role of academics in the struggle for justice in Palestine

      Prof. Ilan Pappé (Israeli historian)

      Dr. Yaser Alashqar (Palestinian academic)

      6.30pm THURSDAY 13 NOVEMBER

      Red Room, New Student Centre, UCD Belfield.

      Organised by Academics for Palestine and UCD Islamic Society.

      link to ipsc.ie

  • Video: Routine exchange on a bus reveals racism embedded within Jewish Israeli society
    • "And if I’m not mistaken, the actions by the “soldier” in the video are not part of Israel’s already oppressive “security” arrangements, the soldier took it on himself to hassle that woman."

      yeah and made me think of

      Sexual Violence, Womens Bodies and Israeli Settler colonialism

      They not only invaded our home, took over our space, and evicted us—they even arrested me and took me to the Maskubya—the police station. I was put in room number four, alone, for a long time. Then, a big and tall man, a police officer, entered the interrogation room. I was alone, and started shivering from fear as he closed the door, started moving things around in the room....

      link to jadaliyya.com

  • In travesty of justice, Rasmea Odeh found guilty despite history of Israeli torture
    • Rasmea is not alone

      " Although Benton Harbor is ostensibly out from under emergency management, the city is subjected to the more powerful and predominantly white St. Joseph, where the county court system is based. The fact that an all-white jury was impaneled in such a racially sensitive case in an area with deep historical tensions, speaks volumes in regard to the lack of sensitivity existing among the county authorities and the corporate interests."

      link to counterpunch.org

  • The hidden documents that reveal the true borders of Israel and Palestine (Updated)
    • link to british military history used above.

      link to britishmilitaryhistory.co.uk

    • In respect to the naqab/negev, might i make some observations. Currently the Israeli government is ethnically cleansing Israeli citizens, who serve in the IDF, from it. The Negev is not a terra nullis it belongs to the bedu, Palestinian citizens of Israel. there also moshavim etc, which have already dispossed them cruelly.

      So having come to the conclusion that addressing the core issues would infringe on the rights of Israeli civilians, largely Jewish, you suggest, that land that belongs to Palestinian Israelis be given to forcibly denationalized displaced Palestinians? are you sure that Palestinians and the people of the region as a whole are interested in solutions which do not address the core issues of justice, legality and human rights, which are not the preserve of Israeli Jews alone. Palestinian rights can not be made to disappear via borders Mahmud Darwish wrote elegant poems on that theme.

      Re the Arab battle plans 1947-49, firstly Arabs will justly treat the suggestion that the "five armies" had co-ordinated plans, or plans at all, with humour and derision, but just think, what was the middle east environment like just post ww2, take a British military source for 1947:

      "After the Great War, the United Kingdom maintained strategic interests in the Mediterranean and Middle East. The main reason for this was to provide a safe sea and air route between the U.K. and India, but control of oil supplies and national interests were also factors in this policy.

      Gibraltar is a British possession in the Western Mediterranean. It had a Governor-General, army garrison and Royal Navy dockyard. Malta was a British colony in the central Mediterranean with a Governor-General, army garrison and significant Royal Navy presence.

      Egypt was an interesting situation in that the United Kingdom maintained a significant measure of control of what was in theory an independent country. Indeed, Egypt housed the largest British Army presence outside of the United Kingdom and India. The main reason for this was the presence of the Suez Canal, the key artery that facilitated maritime access between the U.K., India and the Far East.

      Another country in which the U.K. faced policing a troubled state was in Palestine"

      makes you think? could i suggest some broadening of your research parameters, if you want to talk to Arabs about our recent history, some of which we recall more or less clearly.

    • a link to a Palestine Israel Journal article by Abu Sitta, you may find interesting

      link to pij.org

    • During your research have you come across the name Salman Abu Sitta?

    • " but tailored for a Palestinian audience." how did you do that?

  • 'We are in a violent fight with extreme Islam' -- Feiglin leads rightists to pray at al-Aqsa Mosque
  • Ritualized Solidarity
    • "“Let us in the know speak for you! We will speak truth to power!”

      ok without engaging with the rest of this lachrymose shit, self pity posing as magnanimity, might i suggest the always interesting Mosche Gil, and fuck the temple mount, we, we have history, also in furthering interesting discussion, good if some one knew some shit. Sorry link looks appalling its is to Gils "A History of Palestine: 643-1099" on google books, its only "facts", you can analyze, you can read a big chunk from section 5 "Palestine FromThe Begging of Abbasid Rule to the Fatimids" and on, to facilitate entertaining discussion. Just for fun may i remind everyone that Al-Azhar, the pre-eminent Sunni institution was established by Shi'i, not obviously to romanticize any shit whatsoever.

      link to books.google.ie

  • Bus ads hitting US aid for Israeli 'war crimes' roll in Portland (after ban in Seattle)
    • Smadar Lavie's new book : "Wapped in the Flag of Israel: Mizrahi Single Mothers and Bureaucratic Torture"

      "What is the relationship between social protest movements in the State of Israel, violence in Gaza, and the possibility of an Israeli attack on Iran? Why did the mass social protests in the State of Israel of summer 2011 ultimately fail? Wrapped in the Flag of Israel discusses social protest movements from the 2003 Single Mothers’ March led by Mizrahi Vicky Knafo, to the “Tahrir is Here” Israeli mass protests of summer 2011. Equating bureaucratic entanglements with pain—what, arguably, can be seen as torture, Smadar Lavie explores the conundrum of loving and staying loyal to a state that repeatedly inflicts pain on its non-European Jewish women citizens through its bureaucratic system. The book presents a model of bureaucracy as divine cosmology and posits that Israeli State bureaucracy is based on a theological essence that fuses the categories of religion, gender, and race into the foundation of citizenship."

      link to berghahnbooks.com

  • 'Settlement endorsement should be put on a par with racism, sexism, homophobia and anti-Semitism' --British pol
    • "The moral basis for Israel’s persecution of the Palestinian people"

      "I never knew what that was supposed to mean,"

      write to Jerry Slater he says he can explain, he hasn't deigned to, as yet, but he can, so he says. Of course if it is moral to establish a state for Jews in Palestine, without Palestinian consent, Palestinian self defense is immoral, even though self defense is also a universal moral right, utilizing the moral calculus is a complex process, not amenable to all, I have never been any good at it and thus must defer to elevated persons such as liberal Zionist moralists.

      there is a hierarchy, you know, its best to know your place so as not to over step the iron wall of moral dictate, after all is not the main purpose of morality to justify the unconscionable,

  • Obama says Muslims bear responsibility to counter radical Islam (so are Jews responsible for Israeli violence?)
    • "I’d have to be much more familiar with the societies than I am. But yes" - sometimes tears are the only answer, i weep for you Donald.

  • Yale Jewish center to hold 'intellectual' panel on storm over ousted priest's comments-- without inviting the priest
    • "Does “Semite” have any meaning at all" even though i couldnt agree more its hard to explain that one is anti-Semite, shit heads misconstrue.

      the origin of Semite was precisely to "racialize" religious difference, anyway Schlozer (?) was looking for the Japhetic language family, which proved harder to find, and anyway Judah Ibni Quraysh had already done the heavy lifting some centuries previously.

      I like "solipsistic vortex" from a comment above, think I might have a touch of that.

  • Photo-cartoon making Tutu into Hitler is published then taken down by South African Jewish paper
  • Israel surveils and blackmails gay Palestinians to make them informants
    • Pilger makes MW seem less cool than it could be, for years everyone has known.

      "The attack on Gaza was an attack on all of us. The siege of Gaza is a siege of all of us. The denial of justice to Palestinians is a symptom of much of humanity under siege and a warning that the threat of a new world war is growing by the day.

      When Nelson Mandela called the struggle of Palestine “the greatest moral issue of our time”, he spoke on behalf of true civilisation, not that which empires invent. In Latin America, the governments of Brazil, Chile, Venezuela, Bolivia, El Salvador, Peru and Ecuador have made their stand on Gaza. Each of these countries has known its own dark silence when immunity for mass murder was sponsored by the same godfather in Washington that answered the cries of children in Gaza with more ammunition to kill them."

      link to counterpunch.org

  • Israeli military demolishes West Bank dairy factory benefitting orphans despite court appeal
    • " "But this soil is mixed with our blood,” said Kamal"

      "All Israeli's are "religious" when it comes to the land" Haider Abdul Shafi, bloody soil is surely not Kosher.

      Israel is Lee J Cobb in 12 Angry Men, they will need help with their coat and compassion when they fuck off back where they came from.

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