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I am not trying to insult you but I probably will. Please don't post links from those sites. This site is it's own site. Those other sites have other agendas. Especially the truther Alex Jones site "whatreallyhappened.com".
It's not more then promoting paranoid fictions on a fact based site. FYI.
There won't be scales falling from any masses eyes if you try to have the debate smiling. Like each opinion is alright. The Pro-peace and anti-colonialism side has to sling mud and shout and scream and do whatever it takes to get the rest of the people who are comatose to wonder why we are angry.
Polite conversation is the death of any cause. Because those in power makes no noise. Fuck "tone".
She made the her point in the common tongue. Maybe you don't appreciate it. But making points isn't about lawyer talk or being nice or saying things that don't offend. For example:
"Israel is an apartheid state that has been committing ethnic cleansing since before it was a nation. Israel has also committed several acts of genocide against brown people simply due to the nature of their skin and their culture. Because in Israel the Jews believe in an ideology called zionism which is an offshoot of white supremacy. Borrowing heavily on European anti-semitism and american racism to create their society of colonialism and hatred"
I said that. Some of it is harsh but its truthful. A lot of zionists would complain that this word or that word was wrong and I'm horrible and my point are invalid. That is bull. It is just lawyer talk semantics games to undermined any point I have. The point is lost because of the petty and disingenuous semantics games by people who don't want to talk about the subject and play by "tone rules".
She doesn't need to be polite to anyone when it comes to people who promote evil. She is simply telling her own truth. Nobody needs to be polite to anybody if their position is disgusting. Saying that if only she was polite to an ethnic cleanser advocate is a criticism that isn't worth a dime.
See a lot of these problems the left has is that people like you maggie think that tone is important. That we should speak like lawyers and debate with the enemy on their terms so that we can all be "friends" at the end. They aren't your friends and you should call them like you see them.
Don't make us play by their rules. Don't try to constrain the debate by being a concern troll. She made her point and she made it well. If she isn't in any future debates it's just because democracy is a sham in the USA as well. Lying is ok but calling out people on what they do is not.
link to pbs.org
Some may see Israel as just an extension of America's force projection. They might have their own interests since they have a government but some political movements in Israel are also based in the USA. Those political ideas where also first developed in the USA to protect America's economic interest in the most valuable resource in the world.
Israel might want to swing it's dick around sometimes and has it's own agenda. But a lot of the agenda, such as the one of the neocons, was developed in the USA. Hell, a lot of Israel was formed in the USA. Bibi actually went to the same highschool as me in philadelphia.
Yes Israel is a right wing nation. On almost all foreign policy America is right wing as well. Most Americans have no sense of the world and the news pumps in the most slanted right wing crap ever. That is why Israel is praised and everyone else demonized. Because Israel is an American client state.
This is right on the spot. Nasser was also against the monarchies in the gulf. The West has always feared that Pan Arabism would empower the middle east which is why they promoted non arab countries such as turkey, israel, and iran has military powers. So that they could control and squash any nationalistic/leftist movements while the monarchies became the puppets of America and transferred most of the middle east wealth to the USA.
Nasser tried to do that in the Arab world in Yemen. What happened next was Israel attacking him in an aggressive war while his best troops where fighting saudi and american supplied mercenaries.
The Americans had basically won and pan arabism was dead. The only thing that kept it alive was that every single nation, even the puppet nations, could never accept Israel for it's colonialism and for the displacement of the Palestinian people. That is the last thread that had kept Pan-Arabism alive.
That is until the Iranian revolution. In which a new type of united front was formed. In which shia act as the vanguards to pan ultra nationalistic and anti-colonial forces. Forces that reject US hegemony and control.
After the Iranian revolution, the USA put Iran on the shit list for being a spoiler. Just like how "the west" put Haiti on it's shit list and left one of the richest region's in the world desolate and poor after it's own revolution.
Now their are competing ideas post pan-arabism. The internationalist Sunni movements that because prominent during the USSR invasion of Afghanistan is still there in the fringes of the Arab world. You could compare them to revolutionaries of the 50-60 but most people would call them terrorists.
Then there is the exportation of Iranian's nationalist movement who's aim is to have a Shia vanguard that then commits to protecting the integrity of that nation while rejection foreign hegemony and colonialism.
Last, but not least, is the USA support GCC effort in which money is supplied and distributed lavishly to buy off compliance. Religion is also used to facilitate the control of the population. Religion and money are then exported to other nations in order to buy them off and keep under the GCC yoke whom are puppets of the USA.
The USA wants it's puppets to extract the wealth of the middle east with as little commotion as possible. They also want to make an example out of Iran so that other nations don't choose the same path. They also want to stop Iranian support for nationalistic middle eastern countries that reject American interests.
The USA doesn't give a shit about the Sunni internationalist struggle since they simply do what they do best and use force. If a sunni internationalist uses force then America goes into "terrorism" mode. If the sunnis try to do it politically, then America just sells more weapons to the dictators and kings to oppress them.
You got banned? You of all people?!? Jesus Hfucking Christ. You know after the last meta diary about dailykos I learned a lot. I also heard some rumors that Karmafish is still active there with his racist blog. So I did a google to find his blog and read it. It seems they had it out for you and a lot of other users. It seems like a lot of the old zionists handles are doing UGOG on his blog. It's as if they all went their to hate on Palestinians and their supporters.
This isn't usual it seems since that blog (written by Mike Lumish) of Karmafish is a ultrazionist hatefest. One comment that by Mets102 there shows just how serious they are about honest good faith discussions in which he states
"I do not believe that demonizing Israel is inherently anti-Semitic. That being said, for all practical purposes, it effectively is."
How can anyone have a conversation with a person like that? A person who posts on a racist blog and says that saying anything about Israel is anti-Semitic? They don't want discussion. They want to silence people.
I'm sorry this happened to you Daud. Your voice was silenced by those assholes. As where others it seems who where equally intelligent and honest. It is the communities loss and the only people that gain are the lying ultranationalist zionist assholes who troll and game the system at every chance.
It also seems Eiron and weasel got the axe for some reason. What a pity and what a mistake on the moderators part. What makes me sick, is that these lying assholes like volleyboy1 (Jon Segall) are trying to say they are the victims of the purges like the African American community was. They are hijacking other minority based awareness communities to further reduce any Arab voices at the site. It is disgusting what depths they will goto to have their way.
MEMRI is the news source that couldn't get it's reports played on news shows because Arab translators told them that they where false. They still reported the allegations prior to fact checking it with the actual translators beforehand.
They did a number on Juan Cole for point that out. It was real nasty.
I know memri from digging through israeli propaganda. The thing was founded by a neocon who helped write "the clean break" and an ex-mossad agent. This shit makes me sick. That the US government is paying a known propaganda outlet to lie to it's own citizens for the benefit of another nation to justify their ethnic cleansing.
Are you citing Daniel Pipes, known bigot and anti-college advocate?
AngryArab covered that qatar and saudi arabia made a new relations deal and after that the news started getting terrible in relation to the revolts. It was pretty much youtube videos, twitter talk, and random people calling in saying whatever they wanted after that. Nothing verifiable.
I stopped supporting those in Syria when callers to al-jazzera couldnt deny that it was an armed uprising. While I do not like the regime at all, looking at whats happening makes me think this is based on a lie like what is happening in Libya. News sites are even mentioning that "Hezbollah and Iran" are sending in troops to kill people. Which stinks of recycled propaganda during the "green movement".
What I fear is that the whole area will be balkinized with ethnic minorities fighting each other in a war to create their own ethnic nation states. This will only lead to ethnic cleansing and might even spread to other nations in the region.
My congressperson represents rich white people. Nothing new.
Anyways, when Rahm Emanuel was a big shot and Obama aid, I knew things wouldn't be changing any when he took a vacation in occupied west bank and the occupied Golan Heights. Now we see more US officials taking a vacation in occupied territory to hammer in the idea that Israel has created something out of a wasteland and "settled" the "unsettled" and savage lands of the brown hordes. There will be no mention of what villages and towns were bulldozed to make this area "bloom" of course. Since most will already know what cheap propaganda they are being fed but won't be able to turn down the offer of a free all expenses paid vacation.
Home is where the heart is.
ZAHN: Let's make a major assumption here, that in some way some sort of deadline will be set for inspectors to go back into Iraq. Do you have any faith that they will provide unfettered access to their sites?
NETANYAHU: I have complete faith that inspections will not uncover the myriad sites in which Saddam today can develop, can manufacture the critical mass of plutonium that he needs. He's changed his technology from a centralized plant of the kind that we took out in 1981 precisely because of that.
He now has this distributed in little sites, tiny sites, tiny centrifuges the size of washing machines, and they're hidden. Are you going to find them? Iraq is a very big country. He's got 50 palaces with secret trap doors. I mean it's not going to work. It doesn't work that way. It didn't work up to now, it's not going to work.
ZAHN: So there is no doubt in your mind that some kind of military action will be had -- have to be taken?
NETANYAHU: Absolutely. I said that well before September 11 and it's just been reinforced.
ZAHN: And who will be on board? There are those out there who talk about this lack of alliance being a bit of a canard. In the end, once the U.S. military goes in, not only will Britain support it, but other countries will also...
NETANYAHU: I think that's right. I think...
ZAHN: ... join in supporting the mission.
NETANYAHU: I think that's right, Paula. I think what is required right now is statesmanship, it's leadership. And I think President Bush is providing it in abundance. If you lead, others will follow. Or they may sit down on the sidelines, but not bother you.
I think in their hearts, in their hearts, even the vacillating governments expect action and appreciate action. They may criticize, they may say things to the country, but I think any sane person and any sane leader in the world today knows that we cannot the 21st century to begin with a tyrant like Saddam Hussein, a war criminal who's gassed his own people, we cannot allow him to have atomic bombs.
ZAHN: A final question for you this morning. There was a report in one of your newspapers in Israel that said if there is military action and the Iraqis fire a Scud missile into Israel, there is a possibility that Israel would respond with nuclear weapons. What is the likelihood of that happening?
NETANYAHU: Well, I don't, I'm sure that wasn't an official statement. But...
ZAHN: It was in Ha'aretz [Israeli daily] newspaper.
NETANYAHU: Well, because it has its ways. But I think that there's no question that Israel would respond if attacked. I think we, I made that clear as prime minister and the policy has not changed. But the nature of the response, the precise type of response is something that I think will be discussed behind closed doors. I think Israel has a longstanding policy of not being the first one to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East. And the whole exercise of bringing down Saddam's regime is to prevent the introduction of these weapons by an unscrupulous, savage regime that would use them.
Israel, I think, would be very careful to, and would act prudently and responsibly. But it will respond to an attack, undoubtedly.
Former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu talked with CNN anchor Paula Zahn about his support of possible U.S. action against Iraq.
NETANYAHU: Good morning.
ZAHN: Good to see you. [Bush says there is] proof that Iraq violated some 16 U.N. resolutions. Do you have any confidence that the United Nations, in a secondary move, if Iraq doesn't take this seriously, will say: "We're going to act now to enforce them."
NETANYAHU: Well, you know, I served for a few years as ambassador, Israel's ambassador to the U.N. before...
"You don't need U.N. approval. It's nice to have it. It's not necessary."
— Former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
ZAHN: I know, but you're not an ambassador anymore. You don't have to, you know...
NETANYAHU: No, on the contrary, I want to pull rank.
ZAHN: .... color this stuff.
NETANYAHU: I want to pull previous rank from intimate knowledge with the U.N. It doesn't have a stellar record of addressing these threats because there are a lot of conflicting interests in that body.
For example, in 1981 when Saddam was close to creating a nuclear bomb, he had a big central installation in a place called Osirik. He was creating a critical mass of plutonium. He was a very short time before amassing [enough] for an atom bomb. Israel took action. [Israel] didn't consult the U.N., it took action. It just wiped it out.
The U.N. summarily condemned Israel and many countries, all countries did, including our dearest friends, the United States. Well, in the hindsight of some two decades, people understand that the U.N. was wrong and, in fact, had the U.N. had its way, that actually would not have taken place and Saddam Hussein would have had atomic bombs. History would have taken a catastrophic turn.
You simply cannot rely on the U.N. to take action. It may, it may not. But if it's a precondition that you get U.N. approval, you're not going to get anywhere.
ZAHN: So are you saying the Bush administration is wasting its time? Because it appears as though the strategy they're trying to set up, someone said it today, it's almost like the sheriff coming to town after the bad guys say we're not going to listen to anybody, and that you have to set up that strategy so it appears as though that you've gotten, tried to attempt to get some sort of...
NETANYAHU: Well, it'll be a...
ZAHN: .... alliance together.
NETANYAHU: It would be a refreshing delight if the U.N. were to toss politics aside and that you wouldn't risk, for example, being vetoed by one of the permanent members of the Security Council. Suppose one of them says we don't agree and the U.N. shuts down this effort?
There are ways to try to secure U.N. approval and I don't doubt for a minute that it would be nice to have it. I'm just saying it's not a precondition. I think that what the president is saying, what he said yesterday, catching the mood of the nation, of resolve and defiance, the willingness to finish this thing, which all sane minded people around the world, certainly in my country, Israel, I think in the United States and in other parts of the world, they understand, regardless of the position of their governments, regardless of the position of the U.N., we cannot allow a world in which Saddam acquires nuclear weapons.
You don't need the U.N. approval. It's nice to have it. It's not necessary.
ZAHN: Let's make a major assumption here, that in some way some sort of deadline will be set for inspectors to go back into Iraq. Do you have any faith that they will provide unfettered access to their sites?
NETANYAHU: I have complete faith that inspections will not uncover the myriad sites in which Saddam today can develop, can manufacture the critical mass of plutonium that he needs. He's changed his technology from a centralized plant of the kind that we took out in 1981 precisely because of that.
He now has this distributed in little sites, tiny sites, tiny centrifuges the size of washing machines, and they're hidden. Are you going to find them? Iraq is a very big country. He's got 50 palaces with secret trap doors. I mean it's not going to work. It doesn't work that way. It didn't work up to now, it's not going to work.
ZAHN: So there is no doubt in your mind that some kind of military action will be had -- have to be taken?
NETANYAHU: Absolutely. I said that well before September 11 and it's just been reinforced.
ZAHN: And who will be on board? There are those out there who talk about this lack of alliance being a bit of a canard. In the end, once the U.S. military goes in, not only will Britain support it, but other countries will also...
NETANYAHU: I think that's right. I think...
ZAHN: ... join in supporting the mission.
NETANYAHU: I think that's right, Paula. I think what is required right now is statesmanship, it's leadership. And I think President Bush is providing it in abundance. If you lead, others will follow. Or they may sit down on the sidelines, but not bother you.
I think in their hearts, in their hearts, even the vacillating governments expect action and appreciate action. They may criticize, they may say things to the country, but I think any sane person and any sane leader in the world today knows that we cannot the 21st century to begin with a tyrant like Saddam Hussein, a war criminal who's gassed his own people, we cannot allow him to have atomic bombs.
ZAHN: A final question for you this morning. There was a report in one of your newspapers in Israel that said if there is military action and the Iraqis fire a Scud missile into Israel, there is a possibility that Israel would respond with nuclear weapons. What is the likelihood of that happening?
NETANYAHU: Well, I don't, I'm sure that wasn't an official statement. But...
ZAHN: It was in Ha'aretz [Israeli daily] newspaper.
NETANYAHU: Well, because it has its ways. But I think that there's no question that Israel would respond if attacked. I think we, I made that clear as prime minister and the policy has not changed. But the nature of the response, the precise type of response is something that I think will be discussed behind closed doors. I think Israel has a longstanding policy of not being the first one to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East. And the whole exercise of bringing down Saddam's regime is to prevent the introduction of these weapons by an unscrupulous, savage regime that would use them.
Israel, I think, would be very careful to, and would act prudently and responsibly. But it will respond to an attack, undoubtedly.
link to archives.cnn.com
The same Iran that offered to assist the USA to fight in Afghanistan? The same Iran that has ideological views that run the polar opposite of Wahhabist international terrorism and only has ever supported nationalist freedom fighters? The same Iran that continued to beg the USA to let them support them in Afghanistan so as to stop the drug trade that has ravaged it's nation originating from Afghanistan which the USA turns a blind eye to? The same Iran that experiences terrorist attacks by the same Wahhabi elements as the USA says it's fighting?
The neocon's hate anyone and any people that goes against their visions. This has been going on since the 80s - 90s with Bibi, a noted neocon, saying that the greatest threat to the world is Iran. Al-queda as a terrorist group doesn't exist anymore. It was destroyed in the mountains of Tora Bora and Osama went into hiding doing nothing since all his associates where obliterated. The only thing al-queda is useful for is painting other groups as "Islamo-fascists" that are a "threat" to stupid Americans so they jump on the war wagon.
Just as respected posters where banned for much less. The assumption that it has started is based on previous times when the same individuals did the same thing. To expect them to not do so, imo, is to hope an old dog will learn a new trick.
There volley goes again. You see they tarred me so badly there that calling someone "generalchoomin's sockpuppet" is considered an anti-Semitic insult. The truth is I have one other account that I haven't posted with in over 5 months when I realized it was not worth the effort to waste my words arguing with racists. The people he persecuted accusing them of being me where actually total strangers he chased off or banned. The only evidence he needed for such witch hunts was the misspelling of a political party. That's how it is on dailykos. What a pathetic paranoid joke.
I personally don't think assaf will even be able to write his next two diaries. The outrage and admin begging for his ban has already begun.
volleyboy1 the idiot just brought attention to his name to defame tomj and mondoweiss. Way to out yourself to an even bigger audience you stupid idiot.
I edited this to not seem even more cruder to him.
I agree. Even the term "pogrom" is reserved to a unique Jewish experience. When during some of the worst pogroms (ethnic cleansing) Muslims where also persecuted and driven off. The Muslims, by some accounts, don't count in those events.
Nationalism can be dangerous and it can also be something that is good. For example, if it's formed to throw off the yokes of colonialism it is good. If it is to cause ethnic cleansing and support colonialism then it is bad. Usually it all turns to crap since after colonialism or attempted colonialism nationalism will still be there and nationalistic individuals will then wage war over a rock that they claim. South East Asia/East Asia is a clear example of this.
Zionism is one of the start off bad terrible forms of colonial nationalism that is steeped in racism and ethnic cleansing. The very term "settlement" in itself is borrowed from terms used by US manifest destiny to say that "settlers" had arrived in "unsettled" land and that when they planted down their colony in native territory they where "settling" it and making it civilized... Or so I've heard...
He even mentioned some of the stuff I expressed in my posts on dailykos about the gotcha moments. Maybe great minds think alike? Then again my mind isn't that great lol.
Anyways, I suspect he might get banned for that. He put up a disclaimer but people have been banned for less then that. Tomj being a clear example of such an event.
What I find totally hypocritical is when I used to post that outfits like MEMRI, IDFSPOKESPERSON UNIT, and CAMERA where racist propaganda sites. Members from team shalom would then get outraged and always reply "WELL IS IT TRUE OR ISN'T IT?!?!?". That shit, however racist and a right wing talking point it was, is not bannable even though it's stated clearly in the rules that it is.
sweet 16
im not even jewish so what club did i join?
I can see where you come from and i see you have some valid points such as it is an unnecessary surgery and some circumcisions are worse then others by many magnitudes of degrees. But equating foreskin loss to Israeli oppression of the Palestinians (who also cut their shit up if they are Muslim but at a later date) is like equating spilled milk with north Korean gulags.
One is colonialist oppression and the other is a bad tradition that has affected your penis (and other penis) in a way you disapprove of. I don't see how many could climb on board your quest at first glance on what you wrote. I don't have all the information on the topic of how it affected you in dept or what the organization was about here. I will say, however, that I do agree that cutting up babies is bad and that I wish I myself had time to choose to keep my skin or not.
Oh no my penis! How will I ever be able to squirt my yurt?
On a serious note, as a man who isn't jewish/muslim who had his skin dinged for whatever reason, I would have preferred the choice. I literally got the raw end of my stick when I was a baby. I guess it seemed like a good idea in the 80's.
On an even more serious note, genital mutilation and the rituals involved with them are barbaric throwbacks to "curbing the sinful nature of sex". Since women were viewed as unclean beasts of burden.
It was because back in the naked days... looking at a guys penis was the easiest way to know if he was your ally or foe in battle... or something i dont know
yeah i remember typing a huge comment addressing several issues.. so he replied by quoting parts of it and replying.. he "answers" my first issue by going "first off.. everything in their is bullshit" like him just declaring it has debunked all of it.
I also remember a diary he made that had Norman Finklstein in it and I asked him what he thought about him and volly goes "i think hes wrong" so I go "in what way" and he starts accusing me of harassing and hijacking the diary. What a complete nut!
Anyways volleyboy1 might create the most animosity with his smug baby like behavior but he is far from the worse. Canadiangal, an equally terrible person, would actually falsely accuse people of stalking her when they called her bullshit out. Fizzik never new a person who he couldn't call an anti-semite and start a witchhunt against.
Pretty much they are all equally hideous heads of the same hydra.
When the latest coup happened in Honduras, I noticed plenty of zionists/right wingers celebrating that they had deposed of the bad president who wanted to address poverty and increase democracy for his country. They just shouted and shouted he was a bad man and excused the coup. You see its ok if brown people suffer to them. I guess it could also have something to do with Israel being one of the first governments to recognize the coup led regime. Go figure!
Dailykos is more about preserving white privilege and condemning those insensitive browns and blacks for being mad at the racism then they experience when it comes to discussing multiculturalism. They talk so much about changing the tone of how people try to express themselves.
It's a bad website.
LOL supporting democrats is a joke there. I remember a time when Bloomberg was up for election as an independent so that rule of "supporting democrats" was thrown out the window.
Anyways the democratic party means jack now. When they supported the war in Iraq they pretty much surrendered any way to say no to imperialism.
remember that talking point they used to use that was something like "removing illegal settlements is akin to ethnic cleansing! No one should tell jews where they can and can't live!!". I guess they retired that one.
Volleyboy1 like most of the concern troll brigade try to pass themselves off as "in the middle" by stating over and over again the clap trap dog crap about their "liberal zionism" and how "they support two states for two people" in every comment they make. Because stating such things over and over again either cements itself in other peoples minds. As well as the first thing people read is usually what they take away from the particular conversation.
It's a joke played out straight from the handbook.
bluecrayon might be but mets is irl friends with volleyboy1 and joined at the hip. mets102 is the sorta fellow who readily admited to being a lukid supporter when he first joined and had to be coached by volleyboy1 until "denouncing" bibi.
Those on the top don't do much commenting in I-P but do easy and dumb diaries like cat pictures and "democrat good" diaries. The ones below this hierarchy, as i see it, mostly do concern trolling such as "change the topic" or "oh don't mention that" and all the tedious mind numbing crap that shuts down discussion because something could be twisted to such a degree that it could mean something else.
Then there are the ones that post the same debunked talking points over and over in every diary comment section. The talking points can be viewed as those that are used in the MSM and talking points that are "words that work" sorta fair.
It's the same sorta sh!t that you can see on any wikipedia talk page and the way it's posted is very similar to the way CAMERA tried to rig wikipedia which EI exposed. This sort of gaming the system isn't just done by Israeli's or their nationalist supporters but by pretty much every ultra-nationalist group.
Now I never was part of any group at all and just taking part of the discussion multiple times was enough to get me banned. The problem is that when they get you in a "gotcha" moment the "concern troll" group will repeatedly repost a comment you made to paint you as a monster and won't let go. Thus making it easier in the future to get you banned by making it seem legitimate to target and ridicule you. The one they did on me, and various others, was to just link to the hiddens and go "hes a bad guy so we have precedent to hide and ban this individual".
The other problem, in my view, was the willing acceptance of some of the pro-peace posters to readily buy into this framing of the shalom posters in what is acceptable and what isn't. They where all to ready in throwing others under the bus that over thousands of comments never said anything hateful at all. For the people who post against colonialism you can only make one slip up there and at times it isn't a slip up but a effort made in twisting meaning and words to create false outrage for a witch hunt. While those on the team shalom can make as many racist and bigoted remarks about how Palestinians never existed (see sandbox) and get away with it.
They game the system big and get away with it. They are disingenuous from the very moment they scroll down to the comment section to post post post.
The meaning used today is to say those that oppose Israel are nazis. Saner people, after being accused of it over and over, are largely seeing it as a meaningless personal attack. The term itself had a meaning but in this modern day and age we cannot say with good consciousness that the term is relevant as hatred and bigotry all stem from the same key places. Hatred and bigotry are not unique to any one specific minority as they are all affected by it.
Antisemitism is a term for the history books but today its used as an attack on those that denounce the colonial project of Israel.
This really happened? Meteor Blades is like Obama then. Big talk but he sells out his principals to the worst people. Meteor Blades is both a tool and a clown. Lucky for everyone dailykos is only declining in any and every relevant way. Facebook and twitter are far bigger influences on organizing and grass roots fund raising then dailykos was or will ever be. It's another site that's on its way towards extinction no matter how many changes (all terrible) they try to implement.
White people do that all the time. I'm not saying all whites. Ok pretty much all whites.
As I recall she never said that until after the fact she was ground until dust. Meanwhile, 9 turks got shot to death. It was more important for fake outrage over an old woman telling young jewish kids to go into reporting and that they would never forget it then to report about the extrajudicial execution of 9 peace activists trying to run an illegal blockade.
This whole Thompson thing is made up hysteria and we all know that. The only person who won with this was Andrew Breitbart who heavily promoted this story and the racist rabbi who cashed in through the media.
I don't endorse Helen Thompson's further remarks after the incident with the hidden camera by the racist rabbi. I did however create a diary on dailykos in which I was accused of being an anti-semite to high heavens. When I revealed to people that they shouldn't being lobbing such accusations at me since I took it very personal. I explained to them that my ancestors actually had to disguise and disavow their Jewish heritage due to actual antisemitism so they instead ridiculed and mocked me as well as denouncing my ancestors for hiding due to their persecution. I kid you not!
Since I started posting here, which I don't do often, one notorious liberal zionist (if there is such a thing) has already used my posts here to claim that this site hosts "noted anti-Semites such as General Choomin" or words to that affect. Within a decade, due to zionism, the word "antisemitism" will have lost all its meaning.
I say good. Bigotry is bigotry and racism is racism and hate is hate. The term has outlived its apparent usefulness as it is now used to associate those who's politics are against Israel as nazis, neo-nazis, or nazi sympathizers. Let's leave this term where it belongs in the history books and condemn bigotry and hate where ever we see it. Like good people always do!
I thought it was ridonkulous.
Israeli propaganda just gets worse and worse. It reminds me fizziks posts. Anyways, an alternative viewing of this POS would indicate that her pathology is clearly "liberal zionism" and she should be hospitalized.
Civil disobedience is incremental in nature and something most people already sacrifice a lot when they participate in. What you are asking is that they pledge everything so that, due to a society that doesn't even care for the most basic of things related to Palestinians, will then disregard with spite.
What do you wish they did? Take up arms against Israel to destroy the system? In which they would be crushed and even killed in a futile attempt that would cause even more oppression towards Palestinians (inside Israel, in the occupied territories, and even in the refugee camps in other nations) as well as towards those Israeli Jew's that support equality and justice. That idea is preposterous on it's face even without any of the aforementioned consequences.
If they are willing to at least do something to help Palestinians then the very least you could do is not criticize them. Apathy is the ally of oppression. Raising awareness can do a lot more then petty criticism.
So they are basically going to reuse the same talking points as they did last time? Sounds like he's going to resend this trash link to nytimes.com and the nytimes will just reprint it in full. Israeli propaganda would be just plain laughable if so many people didn't swallow it up.
Speaking of propaganda, I wonder if CAMERA will create a new set of propaganda to send to synagogs to brainwash Jewish children. I remember they sent a "curriculum" called "eyes on Israel" to a fairly large number of synagogs around 2007. I have no idea these days since the email account I used to subscribe to them and other zionist propaganda outlets was flooded with so much email and I just couldn't keep up with it.
Yes... lets take the advice from the pro-israel right winger. That advice being that humanitarian missions should be slandered whenever possible. Those people on the flotilla are "useful idiots" for having principals and their life preservers that look like, and thus therefore must be, flack jackets make them nothing more then "hacks".
Thanks for the advice but no thanks.
It is a humanitarian mission. Whole populations of malnourished and sickly children who will grow up to suffer the rest of their lives from easily curable ailments is a humanitarian issue. Just as humanitarian an issue as vaccinating infants and children in poverty wracked areas in which developed world has found cures for. Or do you think eradicating small pox was a waste of time because it was part of both the Soviet and USA attempts at winning hearts and minds?
Until Gazans can drink clean water, receive enough medication to treat their people on their own, obtain materials they currently are forbidden to receive to create new infrastructure and industry, have right to movement, have all their farmland and territory that the IDF uses as killzones such as the Sea that brings in protein for most of the population as well as the farmland.
Until then it will always be a humanitarian issue when the siege is still ongoing against the population of Gaza. The people risk life and limb from machine gun bullets, shells, bombs to even provide their day to day nourishment to their families.
To you, that is not a problem unless it's printed on a newspaper. That's sad.
I would like to add on how I would respond to such arguments, or rather right wing talking points against the flotilla.
"The flottila is both a humanitarian mission to the unilaterally declared sanctions on a people under Israeli occupation. Because of Israeli occupation and crimes it would be political in any sense due to the ruthless stance of the Israeli government. Only Israel, it seems, wants the scenario that played out during the Iraqi sanctions in which hundreds of thousands of children died of malnutrition. An act that still haunts many not only in Iraq but also those that were deliberately starved in some of the worst conflicts in human history. This "diet", as Israeli leaders put it as they laughed, is not only inhumane but a war crime.
What Israel is currently doing is similar to the state controlled starvation that occurred in modern history in countries such as Sri Lanka towards the Tamil minority and the gulags of North Korea. To me the decision to support the flotilla isn't even a question since to not support it is simply monstrous. "
That's how i would formulate my answer to any schmuck who just knows how to spout talking points justifying such a war crime. Counting calories is simply disgusting. Ordinary folks might no know this but the nazis counted calories as a policy of ethnic cleansing and extermination as part of the nazi genocide in the eastern front as well as in the camps. The siege of Leningrad being a prime example of such a inhumane and brutal act of war.
Libya is not a majority of people. That's a fact. If it was it would have been over. Right now the Libyan army and the rebels are using the same military hardware since all aircraft and armored mobile weapons (tanks) if used by any side would be destroyed by NATO in a second.
The fact is that the uprising was basically 1000 dudes with cars driving around lynching black folk and shooting in the air. Qadhafi basically retreated. He, up until NATO got involved, had at maximum committed 25% of his forces to anything. The rebels promised up the entire nation to defeat Qadhafi and now have guys leading their council that are so incompetent that they have already outed that they where picked by the CIA.
My criticism of the rebels is that they have no tangent goals nor do they have popular support. It's an illusion. Instead of waiting 3 or 4 years for the drug addelled old man to die (and in the meantime organize politically in secret) they decided to do whatever the hell they are doing. Which will not give them any freedom when their country is forced into a neoliberal pact by European powers on the half of the country that they will be able to control as the other half seems to not want anything to do with them.
Qadhafi is on drugs as most people can see in his various rants. Probably the same ones as the incompetent "opposition". Neither one deserves to win.
I'm just throwing this out there.
Wow what a straw man you constructed there! Just say it. You know... "If you ain't for us your agin us!". Try to say it like Bush did for extra points!
Your quip about the wall not dividing based ethnicity but territory is a half truth. But not for the reasons you wish to convey. It sure does carve up the west bank into bantustans for Palestinians regardless of their religious nature but it also creates a contiguous network for exploitation by Jewish Israeli settlers. I heard the settler only road is a very scenic ride, that is, if you are Jewish Israeli. If you aren't then you get to pass through checkpoints after checkpoint to get to the next Palestinian bantustan.
You then do a great tu quoque saying that "welp the USA has death squads too! Your a hypocrite because you don't call the USA as well!". Only problem is that I was one of the first to call out the USA on using drone attacks in Yemen link to dailykos.com . Oh jeez what are you going to say now? Another slander or another lie?
Your tu quoque, however, still doesn't deny that Israel does use death squads. How reprehensible you are to defend such a thing. All the while claiming that "it's war, deal with it". The problem is that it isn't war. It's a cold blooded occupation that consists of ethnic cleansing and the crime of apartheid.
WHAT?! So when you out and out exclaim that "targeted killing" and "the wall" are all reasonable explanations. One which is done by death squads and another which is a symbol of apartheid. Which I then note. Your response is to slander me and call me a person who supports killing Jews!?!?
I never said I supported killing Jews. EVER. You, on the other hand, proclaimed that killing Palestinians in cold blood via (how can i delicately put this) EXTRA JUDICIAL MURDER was the only thing that prevented suicide bombers. Oh yeah, you said a huge ugly wall that keeps people in bantustan was also something that "worked".
Get lost.
Hey hey hey calm down buddy. Your support for death squads and apartheid is now noted.
what suicide bombers? Is there a huge line of suicide bombers right outside the wall? I didn't know that. I thought all of those sorts of attacks from the West Bank ended many years ago and was essentially irrelevant and only a disingenuous liar would use that as an "argument".
If you need to be convinced on a subject you already know of, justice or injustice, then I really don't need to waste my time on you. Justice delayed is justice denied and you seem to be a kind of person that is comfortable with justice being denied. No one should waste their time with you ever. When you stop comparing Palestinians (who are the victims of oppression) to freaking Nazis, then you perhaps will "get it".
struggle in english means struggle. Whats your point? Is it that you are the one who likes labels and wishes to label an individual as some sort of Nazi or Neo-Nazi on this website for talking about her/his religion? Those tactics are disgusting and are the mark of sick and twisted individuals like yourself! Get lost!
Nice source. WIKIPEDIA!!.. For all those that really care about truth, never trust wikipedia when it comes small nations and small peoples.
The only thing that Palestinians got for armed struggle was death. As well as their family and extended family having to suffer from getting their houses bulldozed. This guy will probably get everything he's asking for as well as a medal.
Every fascist nation needs it's own death squads...
A house divided cannot stand. Then it's time to let it fall. No compromises and no discussion about facts. Call it for what it is and stand by your claims.
That's the problem. The "<3 greater israel" crowd control all the framing on the issue and use stupid crap like "well if ZIONISM isn't a part of the progressive agenda... then i don't think the DEMOCRAT party is the party for JEWS to VOTE in". Yes, I saw that sorta comment posted repeatedly in many democrat blogs posted by zionists. It's a petty insult, slander, and a comment you can't call out unless you wish to be labeled an anti-Semite.
The trick is to never back down and be aggressive. If your stance has enough followers behind it that support you and you would be willing to cause a public ruckus against your own party, the party tends to start listening to you. Broad coalitions, however, are always a disaster.
Yes he a bad person but he sure isn't the worst. Most of the worst people on dailykos are the ones who hide out getting uprates in inane diaries to game the system. They do practically nothing until Israel ends up killing people in mass amounts or foreigners from the "west". If you want to see some of the really hideous individuals just simply look at the diaries posted during the Gaza Massacre, during the time when Israel attacked the Gaza flotilla, during the time when Rachel Corey was murdered, during the Lebanon war, ect ect.
Volleyboy is a terrible person who pretty much got me banned with his fellow white noise trolls. Him and his identical twin mets102 or whatever who is essentially his meatpuppet and irl conjoined who has never known a lukid lever he didn't pull. Well they aren't the worst there is there.
The trajic part about it is that when drummed up reactionary outrage is generated there all the pro-peace people immediately by the zionist framework and distance themselves from the person or peoples being targeted. So they pick off people one by one because the pro-peace people by the troll framing of why they need to persecute and harass an individual until they are banned. It's a pathetic shame.
I always knew that story was bull. If the Syrian authority sent people for you the first time around they wouldn't give a crap about an old man from a high place threatening them. They would of beat him and took her. But when i mentioned that all I got was anger from true believers. Hope is a powerful thing and so is false hope.
People where also mad at me when I said that nothing had changed in Egypt since they traded one set of military authority for another. That the previous leaders where in fact a junta and trusting the military to... install.. another... junta.. was insane... What I got out of that was ridicule and slander yet again.
The Arab Spring has been rather disappointing to me. In that great changes have occurred but they have all been rolled back. This year could bring some big changes but that only nations that will have any progress will be Tunisia or Yemen. Syria might have catastrophic changes that will be a disaster due to balkinization.
Anyways, onto the topic, yes you got tricked. You got tricked by a "human interest" story. It happens to everyone.