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  • My journey from Zionism to Palestine solidarity
    • It looks like you misinterpreted the intention behind my comment. I don't blame Palestinians for not including Israel in their maps. I don't recognise Israel as a state either.
      The problem is that many Zionists demonise Palestinians for having maps without a Green Line. However, as the study shows, it's actually the Zionists themselves who have even more maps without a Green Line. Here's a tweet that was sent by German Zionist politician Volker Beck:
      link to mobile.twitter.com
      He writes: "Where exactly is Israel on this map by the Palestine Conference? In the sea?"
      In reply to his tweet, I sent him several maps by Zionists that don't have a Green Line either. Then, Beck talked his way out by claiming that he doesn't speak Hebrew and therefore doesn't know what the words on the maps mean.

    • Sure, Mooser. That's beyond debate. Nevertheless, I would find it interesting to know in how far Adam's anti-Zionist views had negative consequences on his private life. For example, the mother of German anti-Zionist Evelyn Hecht-Galinski is very Zionist and broke off contact with her daughter over her anti-Zionism.

    • Sibiriak: "It’s also true that peace generally requires the acceptance of *some* injustice. And there are certainly many situations where the attainment of a full measure of justice is either impossible or not worth the costs."

      True. However, the Zionists use statements like "Justice is not worth the costs." or "Perfect justice is impossible." as a PRETEXT to prevent ANY effort on achieving justice and to get away with their injustice.

      I would say that international law sets GENERAL standards of justice. However, the DETAILS of how to exacly implement international law need to be discussed and may include a few things that are perceived as unjust by individual Palestinians. You can't please everyone. Example: After the toppling of the Zionist regime, there's a referendum on the number of states. 60% of Palestinians vote for a one-state solution and 40% of Palestinians vote for a two-state solution. The latter may perceive the reunification as unjust, because they don't want to share a country with the former perpetrators.

    • catalan: "Finally, peace is more important than justice."
      -> Only a perpetrator would say that.

    • “The anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies.”

      -> Wow! Thanks for that quote, Mooser. It will be very useful for me when I argue with Zionists. Telling Zionists that Zionism is bad for Palestinians doesn't work. As you can see in this thread, Zionists couldn't care less about justice. That's why it's necessary to explain to them that Zionism is not just bad for Palestinians but also bad for Jews. Only then, there's a chance that they will change their mind on Zionism.

    • @ catalan

      "What is just to one person, very often is not just to another."
      -> Well, there's something called international law, which determines what is just and what is unjust. However, Zionists keep pretending that it doesn't exist.

      "Regardless, even you would agree that the kicking out the Germans of the Sudetenland and east Prussia was unjust. Likewise with the confiscation of Karelia from Finland. Yet in both of these cases these injustices led to peace."
      -> So, what? This doesn't disprove my statements. I have never claimed that peace without justice is impossible. I wrote that peace without justice is not a desirable outcome.
      link to en.wikipedia.org

      "Peace means you can commute home without getting shot. You can get over an injustice."
      -> Getting shot while commuting home is certainly unjust. However, this shouldn't be a problem for you. Because, as you said yourself, you can get over an injustice.

    • just: "I really hope that you meant that as a joke."

      Of course, I meant it as a joke. Mooser makes jokes all the time, too.

    • But, Annie, don't you have a Christian background? The claim that UNICEF teaches Arab kids to hate Jews was probably only widespread in the Jewish community.

    • Because you have no respect for anyone?

    • @ Adam
      I would like to know what your parents think about your anti-Zionism. Are they still supportive of Israel? Did they break off contact with you? Could you convince them to side with the Palestinians?

    • "Perhaps Mondoweiss could add an Archive category for these conversion stories."
      -> Very good idea!

    • Jon S: "Peace is a term which doesn’t appear here too often."

      To anti-Zionists, the primary goal is justice. Once there's justice, things will start to normalise and peace will come sooner or later.
      In the reverse case, it's very different. Peace would not lead to justice. Peace without justice would be the perpetuation of injustice. In other words: Every Zionist's wet dream.

    • Why Do Jewish Camps Erase the Green Line on Israel Maps?
      The study found that 58% of the post-1967 maps used in Palestinian Authority schoolbooks in the occupied territories show the polity “Palestine,” incorporating everything between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, including present-day Israel. There is no mention of Israel.
      But the Israeli books examined in the study came off even worse. Seventy-six percent of the post-1967 maps in them show Israel as the area between the river and the sea, with no mention of the P.A. and no notation of the Green Line that separates Israel from the West Bank and Gaza.
      link to forward.com

  • BDS could cost Israel $4.7 billion a year
  • Untold Stories: First-ever US Nakba Museum opens in Washington DC
    • @ pacifist rabbi: I am not a fan of religion, but I like pacifism. So, welcome on Mondoweiss.

    • German mayor cancels exhibit critical of Israeli army
      The mayor of Cologne canceled an exhibit in his German city by an Israeli group of soldiers that alleges the Israel Defense Forces mistreats Palestinians.
      The decision came this week following talks featuring the office of Mayor Jürgen Roters with the Jewish community and Israeli Embassy, according to the Frankfurt-based pro-Israel activist Sacha Stawski, founder of the media watchdog Honestly Concerned.
      The exhibit by Breaking the Silence, an NGO that includes testimonies by Israeli soldiers on the alleged abuse of Palestinians, reportedly had been billed as part of this year’s commemoration of 50 years of diplomatic relations between Germany and Israel. However, it was not an officially approved part of the yearlong series of events and had not received permission to use the logo approved by the Israeli Embassy and German Foreign Ministry.
      link to jpost.com

  • 'This land is ours. All of it is ours': Meet the Netanyahu cabinet members focused on fighting BDS & annexing the West Bank
    • The Real News: Manifestations of Apartheid Israel
      Shir Hever, economist at the Alternative Information Center, says segregation begins five seconds after disembarking in Israel and there is blatant racism of various kinds isolating Arabs.

    • Israeli embassy slams ‘outrageous’ Dutch textbook
      About the establishment of the State of Israel, the book states that David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, declared statehood after "Jewish militias carried out murders in Arab villages, and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled and settled in refugee camp across the border."
      link to jta.org

  • Obama equates Israel's creation to African-Americans gaining right to vote
  • In Israel, racism is standard procedure
  • MSM's platform for Pamela Geller is equivalent to normalizing David Duke and Nazis
  • Night of horror at Ben Gurion airport for two French music students
  • 12 pretty good signs you're vacationing in an apartheid country
    • A relative of mine, let's call him Peter, recently spent 5 days in Jordan and 5 days in "Greater Israel".
      Before the trip, he explained to me how the travel agency prepared him for the Israeli security controls. For example, Peter was told that he would get into trouble if he has passport stamps from Arab countries other than Egypt and Jordan. Luckily, he doesn't have stamps from "suspicious countries". Peter was also told that he will be interrogated and asked a bunch of yes-no questions. He was advised to keep his answers as short as possible and to really just reply "yes" or "no". He must not start any discussion by replying "yes, but..." or "no, but...". Furthermore, he was warned that the Israelis could demand to take a look at his e-mails. As Peter is politically conservative, he said to me that he doesn't mind such controls because they serve Israel's security.
      When Peter came back from the trip, he told me about his experiences. Here are the statements that relate to the conflict:
      - His tour guide in Jordan was a Palestinian whose parents were expelled in 1967. The tour guide could never visit his parents' birthplace although it's only 50 km away.
      - Peter entered the West Bank via Jordan. He said that the tour guide in Jordan took him to the border, then he had to cross the border on his own, and on the other side of the border the Israeli tour guide waited for him. Peter said that his two tour guides have never met.
      - Peter travelled through the West Bank from the east to the west. He said that there were checkpoints everywhere. When I carefully asked him about the settlements, he replied that he has not visited any settlement but that he saw them from the outside. He added, "The Wall is HIGHER than the Berlin Wall!" He also took some photos of the Wall.
      - Peter said that Jordan is a beautiful and expensive country. However, Israel is even more expensive. Peter told me that in Israel he drank his most expensive beer ever. So, the high cost of living are immediately noticed by tourists.
      - Peter passed the Israeli security controls at Ben Gurion without any problems. He also told me that he used two different memory cards when taking photos, just in case the Israelis wanted to check his camera.

  • Factchecking Netanyahu: An annotated guide to the Israeli P.M.'s speech to Congress
    • All In with Chris Hayes 3/3/15
      Netanyahu makes his case to Congress
      After weeks of anticipation and controversy, the Israeli Prime Minister argued that a nuclear deal with Iran would embolden the regime to acquire the bomb. (17:09 minutes)
      link to msnbc.com

  • Kerry says Netanyahu was wrong the last time he pushed war for the U.S.
    • OT: After the video of a Jew walking in Paris, there's a video of an Israeli-Jewish immigrant walking in Berlin for 3 hours. Result: Nothing happened to him.
      link to vice.com
      Then, there's an article about an American-Jewish immigrant. He has worn his kippah publicly for two years in Germany and nothing happened to him either. He says that most people don't bother about his kippah. And those who do bother about his kippah simply want to know how it stays on his head. He claims that this is "typically German": People care less about his religion and more about his technique.
      link to sueddeutsche.de

  • Dear Mr. Netanyahu, please don't cancel your speech
    • Over 90% of Netanyahu's Campaign Contributions Come from the United States:

    • "If the speech goes forward, people will be openly debating Israel’s influence in our politics, and the absence of a voice for the other side."

      I totally agree with you. When I watched the segment about Netanyahu's speech on "All In with Chris Hayes" and I heard the list of Zionists who oppose this speech, it occurred to me that if these people believe that this speech is bad for Israel, then it ultimately must be good for Palestinians. These Zionists only reject Netanyahu's speech because it causes so much media attention and they want the discussion about Zionist influence to go away. We, however, want that discussion to happen.

  • Speech to AIPAC could give Netanyahu his out
  • Labor leader attacks Netanyahu for going easy on Gaza
    • "I disagree with Derfner. They didn’t cross over to the dark side. They already live there, that’s their natural home."

      Isn't Derfner a "liberal Zionist"? So, of course, he believes that the "Zionist left" are the good guys who support Palestinian rights.

      By the way, I just saw this article:
      German Judge: Torching of Synagogue not motivated by anti-Semitism

      "A German court in the city of Wuppertal convicted two German Palestinians on Thursday of an arson attack on a Synagogue but denied the crime was motivated by anti-Semitism, prompting Green Party deputy Volker Beck to urge the court to designate the act as anti-Semitic. [...] Beck said on Saturday the 'attack on the Synagogue was motivated by anti-Semitism' and blasted the court for issuing a decision stating that the goal of the attack was to bring 'attention to the Gaza conflict.' Israel, last summer, was involved a 50-day war in the Gaza Strip. [...] A 13-year-old who lived near the synagogue and noticed the flames informed the police. Several days before the fire, a person sprayed 'Free Palestine' on a wall of the synagogue."

      link to jpost.com

  • Netanyahu speech scandal blows up, and 'soiled' Dermer looks like the fall guy
  • Phila Inquirer publishes a lie: 'Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism are one and the same'
  • When discussing Islam, which Islam and whose rationality? 
  • Jim Crow's polite sons
    • I already suspected that we have different definitions of unconditional solidarity. That's precisely why I wrote, "as I see it". What you refer to as unconditional solidarity is what I would call normal, healthy solidarity. I understand the expression unconditional solidarity as unquestioning obedience.

    • I think that unconditional solidarity is always dangerous. Of course, giving an example of every possible situation would take forever. That's why I try to explain it that way:
      As I see it, unconditional solidarity with the Palestinian struggle for equal rights would include approval of events like the Munich massacre. link to en.m.wikipedia.org
      When 9/11 happened, Chancellor Schröder promised unconditional solidarity to the USA. In order to keep this promise, Germany participated in the Afghanistan war. A huge mistake!
      Unconditional solidarity means that you don't question the counter-measures of the victims. This is problematic, because victims of injustice can also be perpetrators of injustice, e.g. when injustice is fought with unjust means.

    • Nowhere in my comment did I claim that the author wrote this. I just gave an example of how dangerous unconditional solidarity is.

    • "My active support of the Palestinian struggle resonates with more integrity when I as a white person stand in unconditional solidarity with Black Lives Matter and Don’t Shoot Portland and all struggles for the dignity that every precious woman, man and child deserve."

      -> Unconditional solidarity is always dangerous. For example, unconditional solidarity with the Jewish victims of the Holocaust directly led to unconditional solidarity with the Jewish state of Israel. So, unconditional solidarity with a certain ethnic group can quickly cause further injustice.

    • "We need not a nostalgic stroll down memory lane, but a renewed, re-invigorated, impassioned and huge collective demand that Black Lives Matter, that when police kill, they go on trial like people in this church would."
      -> Well, the white policemen just follow the example of their black president. With his drone strikes against innocent Muslims, he sends the message that preemptive killing is okay. With his military aid to Israel, he sends the message that apartheid is okay. The policemen just do what their president does, i.e. practising preemptive killing and apartheid.
      You need to consider that policemen/patrolmen are at the bottom of the hierarchy of state employees. So, instead of bashing these small-time villains, you should try to catch the big fish. The system is rotten from top to bottom, not from bottom to top.

  • Obama won't meet Netanyahu during 'bizarre,' 'historic,' 'unprecedented' visit (Updated)
    • I am currently watching the documentary. It mainly deals with Israel-related anti-Semitism. At 33:00 a young Swede of Arab descent is interviewed.
      Reporter: "Why would you throw eggs at Jews?"
      Young man: "We want to retaliate for everything that happens in Palestine, all the murders."
      Reporter: "But we are Swedish Jews. We have nothing to do with Israel."
      Young man: "How do we know that? When we see a Jew, we think of Israel and everything that happens there."
      Reporter: "Is that what causes the problems?"
      Young man: "Yes."
      Reporter: "Does the Israeli-Palestinian conflict cause your reaction to the Jews?"
      Young man: "It is the only reason for Jew-hatred. It's the only thing that you think of. [...] I want to do something for Palestine, but I can't help anyone there."

    • Rob Lowe mocks Obama for meeting cereal-eating YouTube star and not Netanyahu
      Actor takes to Twitter to take sides in diplomatic snafu raging between White House and Republican-controlled Congress, Israeli prime minister.
      link to haaretz.com

      Controversial JPost columnist Caroline Glick considered for spot on Likud slate
      Glick has called for Israel's annexation of the West Bank, called Netanyahu 'immoral, irresponsible and stupid' in response to Gilad Shalit deal.
      link to haaretz.com

      Swedish reporter assaulted after wearing kippah to test attitudes toward Jews
      link to haaretz.com
      The article links to this interesting documentary: link to youtube.com
      It's in Swedish, but when you are logged in, you can read Google-translated English subtitles.

  • Living in Israel isn't the solution to antisemitism
    • Dutch ex-minister: World peace if Israeli Jews move to US
      Herman Heinsbroek says it was ‘a historical error to give the Jews their own country’ in Islamic Middle East
      link to timesofisrael.com

    • "It will always be the continent of expulsion, blood libels, numerus clausus, ghettos and the Final Solution."
      -> Yeah, right! And Israel is totally different. Israel is pure perfection.

      "Freedom of speech is shrinking in Europe", Pfeffer concluded, "hemmed in on all sides by libel laws, political correctness, financial pressure and religious intimidation."
      -> And who is responsible for these laws? The law against the denial or trivialization of the Holocaust was passed at the behest of the Zionists. The law is used to silence people who say, "Never again to anyone!"

      "Muslims [...] have been in Europe for centuries and politicians and the press must stop acting as if we arrived yesterday."
      -> Sure, as soon as European Muslims stop acting as if they arrived yesterday. As long as they behave like unassimilated immigrants, they will be viewed as unassimilated immigrants.

      "We are here to stay."
      -> That's exactly what the Zionists say about the Jewish settlements in the West Bank too. Therefore, this statement sounds more like a threat by criminals.

      "Increasing numbers of Muslims have argued that Islam itself needs to become far more capable of both tolerating and accepting blasphemy in a non-violent way."
      -> Yes! As long as Islam is that intolerant, asking us to tolerate Islam is tantamount to asking us to tolerate intolerance.

      "90% of his election funding comes from American Jews, proving that a Jewish diaspora remains an essential support base for maintaining Israeli policies."
      -> OMG! That's even worse than I thought!

      "This Jewish feeling of insecurity is real and can’t be easily dismissed."
      -> But it should be dismissed, because it's paranoia. This Jewish feeling of insecurity is mainly caused by Zionist propaganda. Also, I assume that most British Jews are Zionists themselves. And supporting settler-colonialism does NOT make you popular. If British Jews want to become more popular, they need to stop supporting the Zionist apartheid regime.

      "British police have recently stepped up patrolling Jewish communities and soldiers in Belgium are guarding Jewish sites. The threat exists."
      -> The existence of security measures doesn't prove the existence of a threat. Just because there are security measures doesn't mean they are actually necessary. European states should not reinforce the paranoia of Jews by paying for their unnecessary security measures.

  • Diaspora Jews are not in 'exile,' they are at home
    • "If 100,000 Jews leave, France will no longer be France. The French Republic will be judged a failure."
      -> That's a weird statement. It's way too much pandering to one specific group. Immigration and emigration of all kinds of groups is normal. The Frenchness of France doesn't depend on the number of Jews, neither in one way nor the other. The number of Jews is only important to the ethnic nationalist state of Israel.

  • Gaza war blowback? Palestinian stabs 13 on Tel Aviv bus.
  • Netanyahu and Europe’s far right find common ground after the Paris attacks
  • #JeSuisUnJuifBritannique
    • @ Bornajoo
      "Foreskins Lament is on my list if stuff to read."

      -> The most surprising information in the book was this: When Auslander was a boy, he did some shoplifting. He thought that he was very good at it, because he was never caught. One day, however, he decided to wear a baseball cap instead of his usual kippah. And when he tried to shoplift, he was immediately caught. This made him realise that the only reason he was never caught before is his kippah. Shop assistants simply don't pay attention to Jewish kids, because they believe that they are too religious to steal.

    • @ straightline
      When I wrote "complete surrender", I had in mind that Palestinians either commit suicide or abandon their homes and emigrate.

    • @ Bornajoo
      "Their ‘crime’ was to take community business outside of the community. They were expelled and were lucky not to have been lynched by the mob that came after them."

      Wow, incredible! When multiculturalism turns into parallel societies, then that's a real problem.
      You should write a book about your experiences with the orthodox Jewish community. I am sure it would sell well. I really liked Shalom Auslander's book "Foreskin's Lament".

    • @Bandolero: +1

    • @ just
      "Perhaps the Palestinian woman was displaying a false bravado."
      -> I think what she meant was: Palestinians are harmless, peaceful people, but nevertheless the Jewish settlers have an extreme, irrational fear of them. The Palestinian fear of the Jewish settlers, however, is rational and justified.

    • @ Bornajoo
      Thanks for your explanations. Sounds a bit like the Amish.
      Questions: I assume that Reform Jews were rejected too, for not being Jewish enough!? If you don't abide by the community's rules, do they expel you?
      By the way, here's a study from 2011 titled "Intolerance, Prejudice and Discrimination - A European Report": link to fes.de
      The anti-Semitic statements are on page 57, the racist statements on page 59, the anti-Muslim statements on page 61. On page 80, the different hostilities are compared and it turns out that anti-Semitism is the lowest.

    • @ just
      The title is "360° Geo Reportage - Jerusalem im Morgengrauen".
      Here's the link: link to arte.tv
      The woman was specifically talking about the situation in Jerusalem.

    • "The Jewish community where I grew up in Stamford Hill were more racist and xenophobic towards others than they were towards us."

      Were they anti-Gentile in general or were they hostile to a specific group of non-Jews?

      In a recent documentary about Jerusalem, a Palestinian woman said that the Jewish settlers are much more afraid of Palestinians than Palestinians are afraid of the Jewish settlers.

    • "It’s very hard to disentangle the ethnic from the religious."
      -> Perhaps it's hard for self-identified Jews, but it's not hard for non-Jews.
      What I wanted to express is that there's a difference between atheists who say "I don't want to date a Jew because we disagree on religion." and actual anti-Semites who say "I don't want to date a Jew because Jews are evil subhumans."

    • @ Laurent Weppe
      "Many will simply answer 'I am that family member'."
      -> I already know the linked article. However, just because the percentage of intermarriages increases doesn't mean that non-intermarried Jews approve of intermarriage. So, these are two separate issues.
      The linked article says, "Intermarried Jews are far less inclined to support Israel." I think that Jewish rejection of intermarriage is not actually about ensuring Jewish continuity but about ensuring Jewish settler-colonialism.

      "Take away the ghetto, and Jews prove to be as enthusiastically exogamous as any other group with similar opportunities."
      -> LOL. When the ghettos were removed in 1945, the first thing that Jews did was to ghettoise themselves by founding the Jewish state. Ethnic nationalism is the ultimate form of self-segregation. Also, Israel has no civil marriage in order to prevent intermarriage.

      Here's a documentary about Jewish life in Germany:

      A German-Jewish woman is interviewed (34:05). She says that she lives in her "little, self-chosen ghetto" and has almost no contact to non-Jews. Keep in mind that only 0.2% of people in Germany are Jewish. So, when a German Jew has almost no contact to non-Jews, then this is not just a happenstance but requires a high degree of active avoidance and self-segregation. Later in the documentary, another German-Jewish woman is interviewed (1:23:30). She says that Jewish mothers in her community play matchmakers and try to marry off their sons to Jewish women in order to ensure that their grandchildren are Jewish, too.

      Here's the book "How to Prevent an Intermarriage" by Rabbi Kalman Packouz:
      link to preventintermarriage.com

      Head of Anti-Assimilation Group Appeals to Zuckerberg:
      Benzi Gopstein, head of the Lehava Organization, sends a letter to Mark Zuckerberg over his marriage to a non-Jew.
      link to israelnationalnews.com

      Dear Emuna: Revisiting Zuckerberg’s Intermarriage
      "Aish HaTorah has been at the forefront of the fight against intermarriage and assimilation for almost 40 years. [...] Mark Zuckerberg is not to blame for his decision to intermarry; we are. [...] Intermarriage is a tragedy for the Jewish people. The current rate is appalling – and unbearable."
      link to aish.com

      An Open Letter to Zach Braff:
      link to estherkustanowitz.typepad.com

      The Case For Dating Shiksas: Why One Gay Jewish Woman Dates Outside of the Tribe
      "I worry my mother for one reason, and for one reason only: as a queer observant Jewish woman, I adamantly refuse to only date Jews. [...] But the downside to social progressiveness is that I, too, am now expected to marry a nice Jewish girl."
      link to huffingtonpost.com

      "which should have been bloody obvious to anyone with the bare minimum understanding of human nature."
      -> I understand human nature, but I also understand the power of Zionist propaganda.

    • "When peace is being talked about, with real plausibility, anti-Semitism in Europe dies down."
      -> Talking peace with real plausibility? Has this ever happened? I don't think so. There's only one kind of peace that the Zionists would agree to, namely complete Palestinian surrender.

      "I was amazed that 80% of the CAA survey of the general public rejected the statement: Jews’ loyalty to Israel makes them less loyal to Britain than other British people."
      -> Yes, that's indeed surprising.

    • "the survey reports that only 10% agreed with the statement: I would be unhappy if a family member married a Jew."

      I'd love to know how British Jews would respond to the statement "I would be unhappy if a family member married a non-Jew." Chances are that anti-Gentilism is much more widespread among Jews than anti-Semitism among non-Jews. However, surveys and mainstream media always only focus on the smaller problem.

      Does the survey give a definition of the word "Jew"? Are Jews defined as an ethnic group or as a religious group? If Jews are defined as a religious group, then I - as an atheist - would indeed be somewhat unhappy if a close family member married a Jew ... or a Christian ... or a Muslim ... or some other religious person.

  • Why do Muslims object to depictions of their prophet?
    • "The problem is that there are Muslims killing people over these depictions, and it seems that the general response of organizations like CAIR is not to affirm that non-Muslims are not required to follow Muslim practices, but to re-emphasize that Muslims find depictions of the prophet offensive."
      -> I agree with hophmi here.

    • @ Krauss
      "I never cease to amaze at the level of which people who would never defend Christian fundamentalists crawl before Islam."
      -> I agree. I don't vote for right-wing parties, because they suck up to Christians. However, I can't vote for left-wing parties anymore either, because they suck up to Muslims. I wait for a party that doesn't suck up to any god botherers and that stands up for secularism.

  • Jews around the world know 'deep in their hearts they have only one country, Israel' -- Netanyahu
    • “Why move to country whose belligerent actions are partially responsible for the growing lack of security among Jewish communities in Europe and other places?” ~ Orly Noy
      -> I disagree. It's not the Jewish state's crimes that make non-Jews angry at European Jews. It's the European Jews' support for the Jewish state's crimes that make non-Jews angry at European Jews. If the CRIF, the Central Council of Jews in Germany and other Jewish organisations distanced themselves from the Jewish state's crimes instead of supporting them, then European Jews would be just as safe as non-Jews.

    • German-language SPIEGEL article about how problematic it is for women to get divorced in Israel:
      link to spiegel.de
      U.K. anti-Semitism report highlights disturbing trend - among British Jews
      link to haaretz.com

      The report is based on two surveys . In the first, carried out by the respectable polling company YouGov, a sample of 3,411 British adults were asked to respond to seven statements regarding Jews by stating to what degree they believed or disbelieved the statements. The CAA deems each statement to be anti-Semitic. [...]
      While there certainly has to be vigilance against forms of Jew-hatred, the CAA seems to be over-diagnosing the illness. This eagerness to see the anti-Semitism in Britain, which inarguably exists, as much more widespread than it really is, comes across in the second survey in the report, conducted directly by the organization among 2,230 British Jews. The survey was done over social media and though the CAA tried to widen its reach through the email lists of a number of large Jewish organizations, you don’t have to be a statistician to realize how such a sample is far from representative.
      Putting methodology aside, the headline findings that 45 percent of British Jews feel that “Jews may not have a long-term future in Britain” and that they and their families are “threatened by Islamic extremism in Britain” should cause concern. But then, those are subjective feelings: What relation do they have to the actual situation on the ground?
      The last finding in the survey is that 56 percent agree that “the recent rise in anti-Semitism in Britain has some echoes of the 1930s.” If the majority of British Jews and the authors of the CAA report actually believe that, then it’s hard to take anything they say about contemporary anti-Semitism in their home country seriously.

  • It's not the cartoons-- a contrarian perspective from a Muslim cartoonist
    • @ American
      "if you want to champion attacking people’s religions as ridiculous then they have the right to attack your homosexuality as unnatural and freaky as their opinion also."
      -> That's not quite the same. First of all, sexual orientation is not a choice. Religion, however, is a choice. Second, you confuse rights with opinions. As I have already stated several times, I don't deny Muslims equal rights. Most Muslims, however, deny gay people equal rights. And that's the problem. They demand tolerance from others while not offering tolerance to others. Here's an election poster of the German-Muslim BIG party that promotes denying gay people equal rights: link to queer.de
      I really don't mind that most Muslims are of the opinion that homosexuality is a bad thing, but I do mind that most Muslims want to deny me equal rights. As long as most Muslims aren't even willing to respect my RIGHTS, I don't see why I should be willing to consider their FEELINGS regarding their prophet.

    • "So you think the stuff in Charlie Hebdo was criticism."
      -> Yes, of course. The cartoons are accompanied by articles, which provide context.

      "I’m sure many Muslims looked at Charlie Hebdo, and thought 'Now there are some very acute and well-reasoned criticisms of Islam, worthy of further discussion'"
      -> I think that many Muslims and people like you choose to judge the magazine by its covers and deliberately ignore the messages and explanations in its articles.

      "I’d love to make a graphic novel out of your comment archive, Lefty, as a form of criticism!"
      -> Lucky you, I'm a tolerant person and won't kill you for it. So, I am more tolerant than the people you defend.

    • Thanks lysias. Perhaps I should have written something like "perceived race". Then it would have been more obvious what I mean.
      Also, the same applies to African Americans. They were enslaved because of their race. Mooser seems to think that the mere mention of race is racist.

    • @ Kris
      "I have the right to tell the grocery store clerk that the big hole in his earlobe, a new piercing, is ugly, but why would I deliberately offend him?"
      -> That's not comparable. As far as I know, nobody has ever committed a crime in the name of his piercing and nobody has ever denied gays or women equal rights in the name of his piercing. So, other people's piercings don't pose a danger to my rights. That's why I couldn't care less about other people's piercings. With religion, that's completely different.

      "Apparently to Muslims, part of respect is NOT depicting their prophet."
      -> If Muslims don't want to depict their prophet, then they are free to refrain from it. As a non-Muslim, I totally respect the Muslims' right to not draw their prophet. Likewise, Muslims have to respect my right to draw their prophet. Muslims can't expect non-Muslims to adhere to Islamic teachings.

      "If you respect someone, you don’t try to offend him."
      -> True! But whether I respect someone as a person, that depends on the individual. I have no general respect for Muslims as a group, or Christians as a group, or Jews as a group, or atheists as a group. Of course, I respect other people's rights. However, as an atheist, I don't see any reason to respect - or adhere to - other people's religious beliefs.
      You say that I should respect other people's religion. However, to many religious people, homophobia is part of their religion. Do you expect me to respect that, too?

    • "Charlie Hebdo was going bankrupt a few years back so they switched from being equal opportunity offenders to targeting Muslims because that sold copies of their magazine."
      -> Refraining from equal opportunity offending doesn't make you a bigot. I'll explain my opinion in form of examples.
      Scenario A: The Charlie Hebdo journalists feel equal contempt for Zionism and ISIS. However, they decide to only publish anti-ISIS cartoons and to remain silent about Zionism, i.e. neither anti-Zionist cartoons nor pro-Zionist cartoons. The reason: The journalists know that the existence of their magazine depends on the money of Zionist readers/donors.
      -> In this scenario, the journalists are not bigoted because they reject Zionism as much as ISIS. It's just external circumstances, which are not their own fault, that force them to refrain from speaking out against Zionism. You shouldn't demonise people for not biting the hand that feeds them.
      Scenario B: The Charlie Hebdo journalists are opposed to ISIS but approve of Zionism. That's why they don't just publish anti-ISIS cartoons but also pro-Zionist cartoons.
      -> In this scenario, the journalists are bigoted because they don't understand that Zionism is as wrong as what ISIS does.

      "Freedom of expressions means the government cannot put you in jail for what you say but that doesn’t mean people can’t call you out on your bigotry."
      -> That's undoubtedly true! But this is not the problem with the attack on Charlie Hebdo. The problem with the attack is that a certain group of Muslims refuse to understand that freedom of expression means that disagreement is not a justification for murder. So, please, don't try to change the topic.

    • "We cannot make offensive art illegal if we want to live in a free society, but we can examine the context and power structures under which bigoted cartoons are created and hopefully come to the conclusion that cartoons mocking the prophet Muhammed will just be considered one of those socially unacceptable things you just don’t do."
      -> Nope! The conclusion should be exactly vice versa. Mocking Christianity and Judaism should become as socially acceptable as mocking Islam. Because progressive, rational people realise that religion is ridiculous.

      Being a (former) victim group does NOT exempt you from being criticised!
      Being a minority group does NOT exempt you from being criticised!
      This does not just apply to Jews but also to Muslims.

    • "The Islamophobic cartoons in Charlie Hebdo are the American equivalent of white people drawing cartoons of African Americans as monkeys or Germans drawing cartoons mocking Jewish suffering during the Holocaust."
      -> That's not comparable. Muslims are not a race. Black people are a race. Jews were persecuted by the Nazis because of their race, not because of their religion. The Jewish equivalent to cartoons about Mohammed would be cartoons about Moses, not cartoons about the Holocaust.

      "The cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo, the descendants of colonizers, felt that printing cartoons mocking the beliefs of former colonial subjects was somehow a funny and cool thing to do."
      -> By referring to the cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo as "the descendants of colonizers", you hold crimes against them that they didn't commit. This is intolerable! Also, it's the same silencing tactic that the Zionists use: "You are the descendants of Nazis. So, how dare you question anything that the Jewish state does!?"

      "Trying to satirize prophet Muhammed in a cartoon just makes you look like an ignorant jerk."
      -> No, it makes you look like a rational person who rejects superstition.

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