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  • The Results Are In: What we learned from the Mondoweiss Reader Survey
  • BDS or emigration: pick one
    • Changing Israel from within doesn't work. I think that anti-Zionists - not "liberal" Zionists - should leave Israel and promote BDS in other countries.

  • Beinart's Jewish double-bind: Support oppression or you're out of the family
    • "When you boycott Israel, or reject the ideology on which it was founded, you are estranging yourself from much of the Jewish world."
      - So, Beinart thinks that every Jew should support Zionism simply because most Jews do. Interesting reason. All parents caution their children against giving in to group pressure: If most of your peers jumped off a bridge, would you follow suit?
      Beinart's plea totally reinforces the stereotype that Jews are more loyal to Israel than to their actual home country. This shows how Zionists fuel anti-Semitism.

      "As a person, not just as a Jew, I’m offended to hear that ..."
      "Of course, there’s been much debate as to whether values like justice and civil rights are really part of the Jewish tradition. I don’t want to add to our self-flattery."
      "It’s a narrative designed to instill a strong desire for justice: a universal, not Jewish value."

      - I love these statements.

  • How Chris Van Hollen learned to love Israel
    • @ YoniFalic
      "One could argue that Germans have learned nothing from their own history of committing genocide."

      I disapprove of this viewpoint.
      First of all, you need to distinguish between the German government and the German people. The German government does not represent the German people when it comes to Israel.
      Second, using history to justify anything is wrong. I am not an anti-Zionist despite German history. I am not an anti-Zionist because of German history. I am an anti-Zionist regardless of German history. Nazism and Zionism are two separate crimes.

    • Germany Begins to Look Critically at Support for Israel
      Foreign Policy Shift: Skepticism of German-Israeli Friendship Growing in Berlin

      link to spiegel.de

  • Birthright ends trips to Israel -- 'American Jews are better off imagining Israel than seeing it'
    • "We determined that in order to build support for Israel, young people are best off leaving it to their imagination."
      -> Too honest to be true!

  • In Canada, BDS loses in the House of Commons but wins on university campuses (Updated)
  • J Street is in denial of one-state 'consensus'
    • "For nearly two thousand years, the Jewish people lived in other people’s lands..."

      Wow! That's so ... Nazi! It's just like saying, "German Jews don't belong to Germany."

  • Most US Jewish students don't see Israel as 'civilized' or a 'democracy,' Luntz tells secret anti-BDS conference
    • Yeah, but what’s the percentage of people who believe Israel isn’t as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes” ?

      I totally agree. Just because most US Jews don't view Israel as civilized and Western, doesn't mean that they don't love Israel. They probably love Israel despite these negative features.

  • Trump repeats 'neutrality' vow on Israel, surely sensing shift in US opinion
    • I agree with everything you wrote, except for the last paragraph.

    • The poll is strange. People are asked about their opinion on the "Palestinian Authority", not on Palestinians. As an anti-Zionist, I would respond to the poll questions by saying that I view both Israel and the PA negatively. Likewise, a "liberal" Zionist could say that he has a positive opinion on the PA, because a two-state solution is Israel's only chance to remain a "Jewish state".
      I also think lowly of Iran. However, this doesn't mean that I want to deny Iran its right to nuclear energy and also to nuclear weapons. Disliking someone is not the same as wanting to deny this person equal rights. Favorability doesn't say anything about political views.

    • What happened with my comment? Why didn't it pass moderation?

  • Jews aren't special
  • Did dodging foreign policy doom Bernie Sanders?
    • Here's an interesting Haaretz article:
      link to haaretz.com
      Bernie Sanders Reaches Out to Israelis on Facebook, Fails
      Facebook users generally responded positively to the posts, which in each language feature a silhouette of the candidate — fist raised. Israelis, though, were less impressed. (...)
      Here are a few choice examples:
      “If an old Jewish person wants criminal justice to be reformed, then he is advocating for pedophiles. As a camp counselor, I believe Zaidy Sanders is a threat for young children. Leave him to moan in the locker room, that’s where he belongs.”
      “You guys do realize that when he crashes the economy, people are gonna blame Jews? One of the reasons why we’ve done so good here is because when something goes wrong people blame the president, not the Jews. Well, what happens when the president is a Jew?”
      “But socialism increases racism and hate as it places every sector’s hand in the other’s pocket, and everyone’s hand into his friend’s pocket, which creates animosity between different groups in society.”

  • Videos: Proof of Sanders's lifelong anti-racist activism breaks on eve of Nevada Caucus
    • Kris - "I didn’t mean to imply that you can judge a politician by his/her spouse."

      And I didn't mean to imply that I think that you think that one can judge a politician by his/her spouse.
      It's just that I hate Hillary partly because she chose Bill as husband and stayed with him after the cheating. Obviously, they have a convenience marriage, not a love marriage. To me, this shows that Hillary's values are different from mine. Bill and Hillary are equally unlikeable and really deserve each other. Birds of a feather flock together. This is also the case with Bernie. I am relieved to see that his wife is as likeable as he is. The fact that he chose this woman as partner makes me like him more.

    • Yes, you are right! She has excellent judgement - for a mendacious, heartless, calculating, power-hungry, war-mongering bitch!

    • @ Theo

      "In the USA we have a population that is uneducated, naive and very easy to fool, they need all the help they can get from people like Kathleen or similar better educated individuals."
      I find it very hard to believe that US citizens are actually as uneducated and naive as their reputation would suggest. Anyway, I don't object to educating uneducated people. I am against looking down at people for (supposedly) voting against their own interests. And I am against assuming that people who (supposedly) vote against their own interests do so because they are dumb or ill-informed.

      "In Germany I watch the Green Party and their day dreaming politicians, (I presume you belong to that line of politics)"
      No. I don't support any of the established parties in Germany.

    • Yes, I know that the employees who do the push polling present themselves as some independent organisation. However, when all the statements about Hillary are positive and all the comments about Bernie are negative, then every respondent with at least half a brain realises that the call comes from the Hillary campaign. And when you are harassed by phone, then you usually get angry at the person on whose behalf that harassment happens. In this case, it would be Hillary.
      Besides, the statement from me that you quoted does not only refer to push polling but to all kinds of phone calls or text messages on behalf of some candidate. I read the article from ABC News that you linked to. And it mentions pro-Hillary text messages and anti-Bernie robocalls. Such harassment of voters is an impudence.

    • Theo - "As I watched Hillary´s victory celebration I decided that I like her even less than before! ... She had a full job of face lifting, although her character needs an urgent improvement. Pity a scalpel cannot do it!"

      OMG! That made me laugh. And, you know, it's difficult to make a German laugh.

    • When I wrote my comment, I was also thinking of the gay rights situation in Germany. For example, gay conservatives are demonised - really totally demonised - by gay progressives for voting for the homophobic CDU. Of course, gay conservatives recognise that their party's homophobia is a problem. However, they say that they prioritise the economic situation over marriage equality and adoption rights. They vote for the CDU because they believe that this party has the best policies to improve the economy. So, from their perspective, they do NOT vote against their own interests at all. We can DISAGREE about whether it's a good idea for gay people not to prioritise gay rights. (We can also disagree about whether conservative policies are the best way to improve the economy.) However, it's not okay to DEMONISE gay conservatives for daring to have other priorities than we have. By accusing them of being "dumb" or "ill-informed" because "they vote against their own interests", we would act as if we know what their personal interests are and deny them their right to determine their own interests. Gay progressives need to accept the fact that not every gay person on the planet prioritises gay rights.

    • "Always a crying shame when people vote against their own best interest."

      I agree with you. However, this statement is also somewhat patronizing. It's like saying, "I know better than YOU what's in YOUR interest!" I mean, people have the right to prioritize other things than you and I do.

    • Thanks for the video. Indeed, it is very sweet. I have already wondered what kind of wife he has. I only knew that he has one.
      I find her very likeable. She has a nice way of talking and a very pleasant voice. She is not tarted up and not arrogant at all.
      However, I am not sure in how far it's okay to judge a politician by his choice of partner. It looks like Bernie made a great choice. Does this show that he's a decent person? Hillary chose Bill and she stayed with him even after he cheated on her. Does this show that she has a lack of judgement?

    • Interesting article. I had to look up what "push polling" is. Also, it never ceases to amaze me how voters in the USA are harassed by phone calls. Such stuff doesn't happen in Germany. Does the Hillary campaign really believe that being harassed by a pro-Hillary person makes voters MORE likely to vote for Hillary? Regarding Jonathan Capehart: I have never liked him. Now I dislike him even more.

  • Trump says he must be 'neutral' on Israel/Palestine, then slags Palestinians as anti-Semites
    • I just read this interview with some Israeli Jew about Jewish humor:
      link to haaretz.com
      Among other things, he talks about the difference between Jewish humor in Israel and Jewish humor in other parts of the world. Then the interviewer says:
      "The origin of that split is interesting: the 1940s’ Palmach [pre-state militia] humor of the Jews in Mandatory Israel versus the humor of the persecuted Jews in Europe."
      MANDATORY ISRAEL!? WTF? I am speechless!

    • @ eljay & Hughes

      To me, James makes the impression of being a "liberal" Zionist, albeit a surprisingly friendly and likeable one. He is clearly a Nakba ignorer. Why would he do that if he weren't a Zionist? He views the settlements as the main problem. Because the settlements make a two-state solution impossible. And without a two-state solution, Israel's existence as a "Jewish state" is threatened.
      I think that a realist two-stater would identify the lack of equal rights, not the settlements, as the main problem. Also, I suspect that a lot of "liberal" Zionists try to hide their Zionism by pretending that they support the two-state solution only because they view it as the most realistic one, not because they want to preserve the "Jewish state".

      Message to the moderators: The function "Notify me of follow-up comments by e-mail" does NOT work!!!

    • James, the settlements are NOT the primary problem. The ongoing Nakba is the primary problem. However, as a Zionist, you deny this fact.

    • Lysias, did you see that Alan Grayson lets the people decide who will get his superdelegate vote? I participated in his online poll and wrote a rather long explanation about why he should support Bernie. However, I also used the opportunity to express my disappointment about the fact that Bernie is a Zionist.
      link to salon.com

  • Sanders should declare a foreign policy of working with Iran in a 'post-hegemonic' world -- Pampinella
    • Here's what Bernie's campaign website says about his position:
      link to feelthebern.org
      I have the impression that they want to make him look like he's tough on Israel. They explain that "Jewish" is not the same "Israeli".

  • Are Palestinian citizens of Israel banned from New York Times headlines?
    • OT - I just read this article:
      'SNL' Calls Out Anti-Semitism Of Ted Cruz's 'New York Values' Comment
      link to huffingtonpost.com
      I am curious about your opinions. Do you agree with SNL that the expression "New York values" is anti-Semitic? I don't. In my opinion, "New York values" refers to "liberal values". Reading anti-Semitism into the expression "New York values" would imply that Jews are the epitome of liberalism. And they aren't.

  • New Jersey teenager threatened with legal action by high school over pro-Palestine activism (Update)
    • @ Annie
      I totally agree with you. Particularly with this part: "that demonstrates an inordinate amount of power/influence of the Board of Deputies of British Jews over the BBC and the police. in fact, it rather supports/demonstrates the notion the caller was expressing." If (Zionist) Jews (as a group) were as powerless as they claim, the state wouldn't bother to fight (actual or imaginary) anti-Semitism to such a degree. This reminds me of the quote: "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you're not allowed to criticize."

    • Another conflation of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism:
      Police investigate caller who made antisemitic comments on BBC phone-in
      link to thejc.com

    • @ hophmi "That’s totally putting her life on the line like Sophie Scholl."

      Yes, it is. Character assassination is also a form of assassination. Or in German: Rufmord (= reputation murder) is also a form of Mord (= murder). The German politician Wolfgang Gehrcke wrote a book titled "Rufmord". It's about how German left-wingers who speak out against Israel's crimes are silenced by accusations of anti-Semitism. And the Left Party isn't even opposed to Zionism. It merely opposes the occupation. So, even so-called "liberal Zionists" have to deal with character assassination from the right.
      link to amazon.de

    • "They can punish students for bullying one another in school."

      But Twitter is on the internet, not in school.

    • @ hophmi
      Pro-Israel people are usually open about and proud of being pro-Israel. So, offering the name of a pro-Israel person cannot be considered bullying.
      Besides, I assume that the "fight" you talk about refers to a Twitter fight with words, not to a physical fight with fists or knifes. And a Twitter discussion about politics cannot be regarded as bullying.

    • @ YoniFalic
      I am not familar with the book you mention. Anyway, I was talking about the disproportionate power that US schools and universities have on their students' private life. For example, if a student rapes some other student, it's the university that has to investigate the incident. Not the police. Why do schools and universities in the USA get to play police? That's what I find weird.
      The USA keeps praising itself as the land of free speech, but in reality people are silenced in very many "indirect" ways. Germany, on the other hand, doesn't pretend to value free speech and silences people directly. So, the German way is more honest.

    • It's a mystery to me how schools in the USA can punish their students for expressing politicial views outside of school. Schools in the USA have way too much power over their students. The same applies to universities in the USA.

  • Coming Monday on Mondoweiss — Advertisements
  • More than 1,000 Israeli forces enter Shuafat refugee camp to demolish Palestinian attacker's home with explosives
    • Interview with Shir Hever:
      Whither the Palestinian Authority? Neocolonial Police or Defender of Autonomy?

  • A forgotten critic of Israeli society: The work of the social psychologist Georges R. Tamarin
  • 'Foreign Policy' says 'Israel lobby' donors are making 'pro-Israel the new circumcision'
  • Netanyahu's craziness is calculated, to drive out Palestinians
    • To the German speakers here:
      There's a new German film titled "Herbe Mischung". You can watch it in full on YouTube. It's about an Israeli Jew, Benni, who lives in Germany. His German girlfriend, Zahra, has an Arab father. The couple travels to Israel and Zahra meets Benni's racist family. At first, the family members like Zahra because they assume that she is Jewish. When they find out that she isn't Jewish, they start hating her for being German. When they finally find out that she is an Arab, they say that an Arab girlfriend is even more terrible than a German girlfriend. At some point, Zahra calls Benni's father a "Jewish fascist". Benni is upset and replies, "You can't compare my father with a Nazi!" (1:08:20) Benni's mother believes that Zahra is pregnant. That's why she wants Zahra to convert to Judaism before giving birth. Benni's aunt tries to make the couple split up because she wants Benni to marry a Jewish woman. All in all, it's a "liberal Zionist" movie.

  • You can't save Israel from itself by appropriating BDS
    • @ W.Jones
      Thank you for your comment. The Wikipedia entry about NIF was what confused me. It says that NIF wants "democracy and equality for all Israelis". This clearly sounds as if NIF is an anti-Zionist organisation. Naomi Chazan's statements in the linked articles, however, sound Zionist. Apparently, NIF is anti-Zionist on paper only.
      As this will be my first time at such an event and as I am a shy person, I don't think that I will dare to ask any questions or make any comments. However, if someone explicitly asked me for my views, I would answer honestly that I am an anti-Zionist BDS supporter.

    • Mooser, please tell me: Why do I need the handkerchiefs and moist towelletes? Do you think they will use tear gas on me or something?

    • OT - Question to everyone around here. In a few weeks, Naomi Chazan will give a talk about Israel in a town near me. I intend to go there. However, I haven't heard of her before. So far, I learnt that she's critical of Israel. But how critical exactly? Is she a so-called "liberal Zionist" or an anti-Zionist? Does anybody know? I'd like to know in advance, but I find it hard to tell. On the one hand, Chazan is with the NIF. On the other hand, her talk is organised by a Zionist organisation and only deals with the situation of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Would a Zionist organisation invite an anti-Zionist to give a talk? I don't think so.
      I have never actually attended a talk about Israel before, only watched them online. That's why I am really nervous. I have no idea what will expect me. Will I be the only anti-Zionist there? The thought of sitting in a room full of Zionists really scares me.

  • Video of brutal and wrongful arrest
    • From the Forward's advice column:
      "Stop Letting Israel Dictate Your Vote!
      My mother-in-law votes against her political interests all because of Israel. Should I, her non-Jewish son-in-law, try to talk her out of it?"

      link to forward.com

  • As Palestine's flag is raised at U.N., Abbas dumps Oslo security obligations
    • Diana Buttu, former advisor to Abbas and Palestinian negotiators, said Abbas’s statement that he’s no longer bound by Oslo as having “no practical significance unless and until he disbands the Palestinian Authority and begins pushing for equality in the form of one state.”

      Complete agreement! Abolish the PA and demand equal rights within "Greater Israel".

  • Palestinian solidarity movement will 'grow and grow and... be impossible to stop' -- Slaughter to Clinton in 2011
    • Abbas UN Speech: "Bombshell" or Wet Firecracker?
      Ali Abunimah says Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas remains dismally uncourageous. He also talks about the meaning of the Palestinian flag at the UN headquarters.

  • Israeli embassy's attack on Rosengarten just made her stronger
    • Ellen - "Isn’t Charlottenberg, Willhemsdorfer Strasse 136 in Berlin — Eastern Germany?"

      No, Charlottenburg is in the Western part of Berlin. See here: link to de.wikipedia.org
      What counts as "the East" and as "the West" is determined by history, not by a compass.

    • "You’ve never quite explained why Rosengarten’s survivor background is relevant."

      The article deals with Lillian's trip to Germany. And in this context it makes sense to mention that Germany is not just a random foreign country to her but her actual native country. Besides, the article isn't only about Lillian's talks in Germany but it also mentions her book. And in her book, she writes about how she grew up. So, yes, her survivor background is relevant here.

      "There are hundreds of thousands of people who are survivors, the vast majority, who disagree with her perspective."

      So what? Lillian's survivor background doesn't prove her right. The facts prove her right.

      "Germany is a place where people really do take offense at people who like to throw around Hitler comparisons."

      Only inappropriate ones.

    • Annie, I responded to lysias. And if I remember correctly, lysias does speak German.

    • Why don't you read the German version? It was already published last year: "Ein bewegtes Leben: Von den Schatten Nazi-Deutschlands zum jüdischen Boot nach Gaza".

    • Afraid that she was being targeted, Rosengarten almost called off the rest of her trip. But she decided to show strength. "I changed the format of my talk. I talked about the attacks. I said, ‘I was afraid but I am here.’ I put it on the table."

      This was the right decision! Max Blumenthal did exactly the same thing when he came to Germany and was attacked by Zionist politicians and journalists.
      If not even Jews stood up to such attacks, then how could non-Jews possibly do that?

    • I had no idea that Lillian Rosengarten is actually from Germany. Great she came back. However, I find it a bit strange that all her talks took place in the Western part of Germany. Sadly, I couldn't find a video of her talk.

  • The anti-semitism charge is the canard
    • "Such talk is inevitable given the organized Jewish community’s frank support for a foreign country."

      I disagree. I don't reject Zionist German Jews because they support a FOREIGN country. I reject them because they support a CRIMINAL country (i.e. injustice). The issue isn't native country vs. foreign country. The issue is justice vs. injustice.
      Supporting a foreign country in itself is NOT problematic. A foreign country SHOULD be supported if it's a victim of injustice, e.g. Iran and its right to nuclear energy.

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