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Since Gaza and until further notice my blog is dedicated to the Palestinian people's struggle for statehood
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Total number of comments: 83 (since 2009-07-30 20:19:50)
Since Gaza and until further notice my blog is dedicated to the Palestinian people's struggle for statehood
Website: http://developing-your-web-presence.blogspot.com
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It's a mystery indeed. I can only attribute it too Blair's 'charisma' [coughing fit follows] and the disarray the Tories were still in at that time...
So if Palestinians make those points they're antisemitic, but Phillip can make them? That's dangerously inconsistent, if you ask me...
Finally also a bit of attention for the VP! convoy. They deserve it.
In Paris there was a demo on front of the Egyptian Embassy, apparently or ganised by those brave Frenchmen who didn't make it into Gaza...
Forget the 'breathtaking disregard for historical fact'. Anyone who, like the author of the Ynet piece of drivel, still wants to base the argument on 'we were here first' just doesn't get it.
The right of return of Palestinians isn't predicated on them being 'an old and extant People' (as Zionists are so fond of pointing out about the Jews) but merely on the fact that they were driven from where they lived at that time by means of Zionist ethnic cleansing
Ynet news is gefundenes fressen for the imbecilic racists that subscribe to FrontPage mag.
WJ:
Oh, at first they will try and call it antisemitic. Then they will try and ignore it and claim it has no effects, ostrich style. Then they will probably harden their stance some more, in a 'up yours too' and 'never again' kind of way. Meanwhile more valuable time will be lost in which Israel could simply do the right thing. Then they will probably find themselves very isolated and cave in?
That seems the most likely scenario. A rational response from The Bunker isn't to be expected though...
From the Coteret link:
Aha! This is undoubtedly where the implementation of UN Res 242 will be discussed, no?
Probably not. Israel is a law unto itself...
Israeli Arab Jews Nazi saluting (I kid you not!) the Ashkenazi Israelis protesting against evictions of Palestinian families in Jerusalem:
link to youtube.com
Those holocaust deniers that would do that must be of particularly dumb variety, as critiquing Wiesenthal in no way endorses Holocaust denial.
... is a very dangerous formulation: the Holocaust is not a myth.
Wiesenthal made up mytsh regarding his own experience with the Holocaust, as well as myths regarding his own role in bringing Holocaust perpetrators to book, but the Holocaust is not a myth, it is an all too real event.
Shit, Kathleen, that's so unfair of you! I mean, what's more important than a crowd of faux-righteous 'patridiots', looking for fake 'socialist' bogeymen under their beds, huh?
Racism of the most extreme kind, exacerbated by religious doughnuttery of the most mind-numbing variety...
Galileo (allegedly): "if G-d gave us a brain, why aren't we allowed to use it?"
Last night's Press TV: Israeli attacks on Rafah, Gaza City and Khan Younis:
link to presstv.ir
Another whopper...
How is anti-Zionism racism? How do you define anti-Zionism?
The two state model calls for a double whammy of ethno-states: How can an ethno-state (well, two) be 'liberal'? That must make the US one of the most illiberal Nations on Earth. True as that may be on another level, it clearly isn't the case in this context.
Richard, I've come to believe you suffer too much ad hom here but then you come up with crackers like the one above...
The pro-Palestinian movement has no 'strange bedfellows': the fascists and antisemites you're referring to get expelled, excoriated and spewed out from the movement, which, let me remind you, was born from anti-racist and anti-fascist movements. This is in rather stark contrast to Zionism that has no qualms about convenience marriages between it and openly antisemitic movements. How much money does Zionism receive for instance (tip of the iceberg, BTW) from Loon par excellence John Hagee and his CUFIs? The IDF's tragic alliance with the Phalange in Lebanon? Zionism's embrace of antisemites like the Polish Kaminsky? The list goes on and on...
As regards 'antisemitism being inconsequential', all we demand is that antisemitism doesn't get treated any different from other forms of racism, which is exactly what Zionism does: racism against Jews is always worse than racism against 'them' (whoever 'they' are), is that not so? Hence a whole raft of 'new new new antisemitisms', all in fact no more than legitimate criticism of the racist ideology that is Zionism. Arch-Zionists also believe antisemitism is innate to all Goyim. Yoohoo, can you trolls hear yourselves think, out there in Zionland?
Meanwhile Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) is looking into 'reports about the [Viva Palestina!] convoy’s links to Hamas':
link to hurryupharry.org
Witty:
While I really don't condone some of the ad hom you suffer here, you do really seem to come from the risible perspective that the Israelis and Palestinians are equal partners who should simply resolve their differences non-violently.
But both sides aren't even remotely equal, this isn't a case of 'two people that can't live together': one side has a modern, rich state, with an army ranked 5th (or so) in the world (and equipped with every modern gizmo imaginable), the other side is a stateless, now often homeless people, with a ragtag militia armed with light weapons, some bottle rockets and homemade explosives, no air defence, no Navy, no nuttin'.
Israel is backed by just about every racist Western state, Hamas is shunned and isolated by same said racists.
Unless someone steps up to the plate and replenishes the Palestinians' power deficiency, negotiating with Israel would be a bit like playing heads up Texas Hold'em with a high roller: Israel comes to the table with a stack of chips it can hardly look over (and behind it stands a tall guy with some more bags of chips, just in case). The Palestinians come to the table with a minimal stack. Now Palestine calls the Big Blind, say at $10,000, and Israel raises with $10,000,000. Palestine predictably folds, being unable to call.
Why do you think that Israel has been able to continue unabatedly to colonise the WB?
Hey HB,
Fancy seeing you here!
Richard,
Trying to create equivalence between the children of Sderot and the children of Gaza doesn't work: the numbers simply don't allow it. On a one-to-one basis, yes, the tragedy of a Sderot victim matches that of a Gazan victim but that's where the equivalence stops. Gazan victims aren't just far more numerous, Sderotians have far more choices than Gazans.
Chaos wrote:
Wow, wow, wow, Chaos, not so fast!
The difference is rather a matter of degree, considerable degree perhaps but degree only.
Here we have the British Zionist Federation and their clowns trying to stifle, silence and disrupt any serious debate on I/P. But the difference is that the BZF and the rest of the Israel Lobby here in Old Bligthty are a bunch of incompetent hacks compared to the well-oiled machine of AIPAC, The Israel Project and the rest of the villains...
Very interesting exchange. Heep, heep, hurray for Sochrot!
Inscription on Tutankamon's tomb:
"I've seen yesterday, I know tomorrow."
Get it right, Phil: "The World the Zionists made..."
O/T:
Shocking story:
Argentina - Proof that Israel is no refuge from anti-Semitism - Tony Greenstein.
A must-read!
Phil:
You write:
Should that not have been:
A 'potentially important step'? Talk about function creep. Or just a creep full stop...
Yes, Mooser, in your attempt at being sharp you come across rather blunt on this occasion.
I challenge anyone to provide conclusive proof that these substances are either toxic or innocuous, you probably won't find it because the necessary research hasn't been (and won't be anytime soon) conducted yet.
But in the absence of such results most of us (chemists included or perhaps even more so) will continue to take precautions to prevent contact, inhalation and possible transfer into soil or food of such materials. I manipulate vanadium based compounds regularly in my potting-shed lab and am very careful around them, even though they're not known for their high toxicity.
Not so some armies in the world that use this kind or related substances on civilian populations without consideration for any yet unknown health problems their residues may cause in the medium-long term...
As a chemist I'm a bit skeptical about the toxicity of residues of phosporus and vanadium. In large part because the producers, procurers and users of these weapons won't in a million years pay for the highly expensive research needed to establish the toxicity/teratogenicity of their gadgets and without such research any assumptions remain inconclusive.
But equally as a chemist I won't hide the fact that I feel rather pleased that my family can comfortably live in an area of the world where such residues aren't present.
It's rather typical of Western mentality that the merest whiff of lead in the paint of a child's toy 'Made in China' can cause a panic but that we think nothing of spraying an entire (brownish) people with white phosphorus, vanadium shrapnel and DEU (in the case of Iraq).
No matter how you look at it, this is what an 'ethno state' leads to: Nurembergisher rules on who can stay and who can't...
Wow! Are the wheels coming off this J Street already? W&M and Protocols in one sentence: a note of thanks from the ADL must be on its way as I write this. If Ben-Ami can't handle fuzzbrain Goldberg then that doesn't bode too well...
Slightly O/T:
From a JTA email alert:
That would be in line with the new working definition of the EU which considers anti-Zionism as depriving Jews of their right to self-determination and thus anti-Semitic. Numpties like Jonathan Hoffman, co-chair of the Zionist Federation of Britain, are already smugly using the new 'definition'...
One of Levy's best pieces, I'd say...
A cracking good read, thanks 'former coMMenter'...
Madcap Zionists love nothing better than to boast the 'liberal democratic' values of Israel, especially when compared to their 'third world' neighbours (We Rock! They Suck!). But mention Amira Hass and they're pretty unanimous in their condemnation of Hass as a 'traitor': seems to me these people don't cherish their free press too much. From the (admittedly extremist) Masada S.H.I.T. list on Hass, a bit of 'fun':
Oooops, woman, indeed!
A very brave and articulated young man, indeed...
That piece in Peejays Media (by Lenny Ben-David) is well worth a (quick) gander. Even better are some of the commenters:
J Street hasn't received a cent from Soros, I believe.
But even at Peejays Media the resistance is making itself felt...
MRW:
Thanks for the ACJ article: very interesting...
Congrats with the article. Should put MW definitely on the map!
Donald:
The Abunimeh's of the world (and many of us with them) should give the same treatment to Bush, Blair and many of the other war criminals at large. Problem is: the West divides the world into 'our war criminals' and 'their war criminals'...
C'mon, Cit. This guy makes an anti-Semitic remark and America Fust-Cless Kvetch claims there's "still no free speech for the goyim".
Mooser's right.
And he launched this 'war' against Gaza partly to secure his legacy. Leb II having been a disaster, Big Ehud needed redress and Israel needed to reassert its deterrency. Little Ehud was all for it too... All planned moths in advance, cyber-army of 101 Keyboard Hasbarists prepared and ready.
Richard:
Most here think that. Would you have been more pleased if the protesters had made their points in a Q&A session (assuming one was scheduled)? Is it not so you object their message more than their delivery?
Thanks to this heckling Olmert's performance will now go viral. That's a good thing.
For years Zionists have tried to shut us up. But silent no more. That must worry you a lot. It would me if I was in your place...
Dear G-d, how the most imbecilic of rightwing bloggers (FP fans) will lap this up, possibly without understanding it all too well...
Horriblewitz to Plaut: 'Good dog, have a bicuit..'
Sorry, but anyone who doesn't get Mooser's satire here should go to an all-American pie, Joe Sixpack pro-Israul blog and see what kind of sympathy this poor little girl would get by comment linking to this story. The very best you'd get would be a No4 (Everything sucks!), the worst elements would blame UNWRA 'for not putting the Pseudostinians out of their misery!' No kiddin'.
Mark 'Iffie Ozzie' Regev will probably claim the wounds were caused by white icing sugar...
The BBC's coverage of I-P is nothing like it used to be anymore. I hardly watch it nowadays. Back then the Beeb still showed interesting documentaries on the history of the conflict, now all that's too much of a hot potato to handle for the new administration. Hell, they even refused to broadcast the Gaza Emergency Appeal advert, on the grounds that broadcasting it would 'undermine impartiality'. S*ckers...
C'mon, Witty. Once the US becomes serious about pressurising Israel, European governments will follow suit very quickly. Israel would find itself isolated internationally very quickly and very completely. Even the most rugged, independence minded Zionist would dread that scenario.
Not until the shells fall off more American eyes and the electorate starts kicking ass with the Ziocongress and Ziosenate.
Obama lacks balls, simply put. Even on healthcare he's threading softly, instead of just governing, never mind on a 'contentious' issue like Holy Land I.
And in this respect the Nobel Peace Prize 'winner' may yet become responsible for WW III, if the wheels ever really do come off the ME on I-P...
Ethno-nutters do as ethno-nutters are.
David:
It's been around on the Internets for some months now.
Cracking good read, eh?
US_Objector:
spread it far and wide, bro!
And can you please take Frank Luntz back? We've had thoroughly enough of the dial fiddling troll...
Ah, yes, good old Phyllis Chestnut.
Her whole 'argument' boils down to Gabriel's (JSF) 'We Rock! They suck!' guide to Hasbara.
Of course this mix of 'anti-Jihadism' and red-baiting will go down a storm with Conservatives at Piyamas Media. Also, you have to love this Conservative faux-concern for women's rights: if it wasn't for past European progressive emancipation movements women would still be walking six feet behind their menfolk... One of Phyllis' books is titled: 'The death of feminism'!
The comment section to Phyllis' ruminations is well worth reading for a few belly laughs... This one by 'Lynn' for instance:
"I also thought your analogy between modern Israel and the Nazi enforced Jewish ghettos you wrote about in a past article was spot on. The world seems to be fooled that Israeli is blocking people from entering, but the true fact is that Israel is being fenced in by those who believe in a god that calls for their annihilation."
Blair's New Clothes.
And where were the shoes, so needed to fly in situations like this?
Illan Pappe in a forum discussion on Press TV stated quite clearly that he didn't expect a solution to the I-P conflict under Obama. The man has at least one hand tied behind his back by the Lobby. Netanyahu and assorted gangsters know this and exploit it ruthlessly.
No, because only the US can eventually solve this by bringing real pressure to bear on Zionism, only an increased US grassroots groundswell of support for the Palestinians can ultimately make the difference. With 80 - 90% of US Congressmen and Senators pro-Israel and under the spell of the Lobby, no President can ever be an effective counterweight to Israeli power.
It's time for the American people to see the truth and to vote in people with a more even-handed view of the Israeli Palestinian question.
Just in from Huffie: apparently Obama has won the Nobel Peace Prize. What for? Making speeches? Someone tell me this is a joke (no, really).
Netanyahoo and the V2s/Qassams...
Oren and the Barbary pirates/Jihadists (read Palestinians)...
These people have no shame.
Isn't Oren supposed to be a historian? Not some two-bit third rate blogger who nicked something off a kid on the Interwebs whose nephew's best friend is a rightwing hack for 'The Whatever Sun' in Dodge City?
Chris Berel is back: he now calls himself Yonira.
Unfortunately some American arch-Zionists residing in the cesspit/open sewers of the 'conservative' 'blogosphere' will have a field day with this: talk of 'pseudo-zebras' for 'pseudostinians' will probably spread like wildfire.
That's if they're not too busy lighting their own farts, that is...
3., of course.
Bloody ungrateful natives!
Does anyone believe neocons care about 'women's rights' or 'Persian gays'?
At then end of the day this is about the power balance in the region: Iran wants to project power in the region (with or without nuclear weapons and the West doesn't want to yield any (when's the last time the West relinquished any power willingly, anywhere?)
It's an interesting case demonstrating the US - Israeli symbiotic relationship: Israel plays 'damsel in distress' and the US her 'protector/rescuer' (who on earth believes Israel cannot fend for herself? Even Ehud Barak is candid about that!)
This way the US gets to bludgeon the potential usurper Iran, while Israel gets to keep the Palestinian question out of the spotlight as much as possible. Pure genius, really...
Rewind to 1953 and press 'Play'...
Call me Ishmael:
Well, I'm no expert on Atzmon but perhaps you should read what leading Jewish British anti-Zionist Tony Greenstein has to say about Atzmon?
I was specifically referring to the links in Comment #3 (by Rehmat) in this thread.
Rehmat is suspect IMHO. The post written by himself and promoted above contains a link to 'Burn in hell you deniers of Holocausts!' by Nobody. While the latter may be an elaborate piece of satire, Nobody's insistence that there were two Holocausts one in WWI (??) and one in WWII and that denying the first is equivalent to denying the second is pushing the boundaries to a point where his piece get lauded by some genuine Holocaust deniers. It's in seriously bad taste, IMHO.
And Rehmat's invocation of Gilad Atzmon, a Jewish anti-Semite (yes, a rare occurrence of a real 'self-hating Jew') who's been excoriated by the British anti-Zionist movement (for anti-Semitism), may not be a coincidence either...
To allow Rehmat to make arguments in favour of the genuine viewpoint that there is such a thing as a Holocaust Industry (or 'Shoa business', to put it less tastefully) is to reduce its value.
A commenter at JSF remarked about the photo that Netanyahu would have spun this as an example of 'how the Arabs reject even our wine!'
Note also the Stars of David graffiti scrawled on at least two doors (I believe four actually...)
This isn't the first time he's tried that analogy. He tried it on a visit to Britain because he knows damn well that mentioning missiles when addressing a London-based audience will at least get you the attention you seek (but not deserve).
And he's right of course with his analogy: Lebanon II and WW II are perfectly analogous. Under cover of a couple of V2s, the Germans snatched a few British soldiers, Britain then declared war on Germany and the cowardly barstewards started raining missiles on Albion... Okay?
G-d, that man is a reprehensible oaf...
Interesting analysis. Correct? That remains to be seen...
"So: Will Obama come to the J Street conference next month?"
That would make serious waves. Please do report on this...
It's still gratifying to see how an author, so vilified in the US for saying what in Europe was simply common knowledge [the existence of powerful lobbies, commonly referred to as 'the Israel Lobby'] now gets published in WaPo and even refers somewhat weakly to the 'A-word'.
This at least is a battle American Zionists lost big time...
'Republican Gommorrah', huh? Sounds aptly named!
And yes, we're definitely talking about a 'final push'. It manifests itself on many levels, including the stepping up of Hasbara efforts in many guises (see also Israel's 'Cultural offensive') and the ridiculous attempts at stalling the inevitable (talks about 'settlement freezes', 'Pharaos', 'natural growth' and 'kintergartens'...)
Just as bad as trying to justify Israeli colonialism by means of past European Imperialism, is the European Zionists' newfound zeal to connect all things Arab with Nazism, a trend possibly started by Jerkowitz.
This way they can oppose the 'ceding of land' (who wants to 'cede' land to Nazis?) without even mentioning settlements.
Witty: "Hasbara" will do just fine for me, thanks...
Just another PEP. Ignore...
Rod Liddle is an intellectual midget. He once made a documentary that concluded that Atheism is a faith too: it has temples (where Big Science is conducted!) and a Bible (Darwin's Origins of Species!). A simpleton, really...
It should come as no surprise to find Liddle dabbling in bizarre theories about Islam.
Look, they made the desert bloom, okay? Get over it!
Israel invokes the 'because of the Holocaust' or the 'we have a birthright to Palestine' at will and according to political expediency.
Critics of Israel often get called anti-Semites because it reminds the critic he might be entering hot Holocaust waters ('Remember what your ancestors and brethren did? Can you hear what you sound like?')
Nowhere does this tactic pay off more than in post-war Germany of course... it would take a real brave German to mutter 'Holocaust industry' there...
Kristol's attitude reminds me of a comment I found once of a site called MoonBattery (dot com). It went like this:
(link provided on request)
Witty:
In the eyes of boycotted Israel there will always be 'overtones of anti-semitism', it's what the Zionist crowd (e.g. in Britain) are constantly screaming about: 'Pogroms! It's Weimar all over again! They're boycotting Jewish businesses (like back then Jewish shops)!' Nonsense...
Yes, it is but who is making that assertion the BDS context? No one. Please explain.
As regards that it's better to use 'persuasion' than 'coercion' (a bit of a false dichotomy to start with), on MARS perhaps, on Earth it doesn't work that way. Israel has for over 40 years disregarded (and is bracing herself to try and continue doing the same for some more) any attempts at 'persuading' to change its behaviour in the OTs. The result is a country that behaves like the spoiled kid on the block: with complete impunity and disbelieving that any other kid will seriously oppose it.
In the end, if Israel really doesn't want to 'listen' and assuming the US is serious about its stated intentions, Israel will have to 'feel' (i.e. suffer, be coerced).
I think you might be doing that here.
When it comes to Richard Branson e.g., he may well have his heart in the right place but I hardly expect him to take a stand that might result in angry Zionists calling for a boycott of Virgin companies...
Hard to see also how the Israelis can't understand what kind deep hatred against themselves they're sowing with such actions.
Israel is sleep walking into an abyss. Only anti-Zionism can save it from itself...
Aaaahh, Israel's lovely, lovely friends... Like a junkie looking for a fix, anything on two legs and breathing that supports the Usurpers gets a pat on the back and a tour of Yad Vashem.
Perhaps Huckie would be happy to reserve a piece of Holy Land II for the New Palestine? No, thought not...
Oh boy.
Think positive though: the Huckster could have been president!
The frightening thought is that he could still become that.
To me its very hard to believe that Israel's intentions aren't to play for keeps. Less that 5 years ago I'd still have bought into the 'flank' or 'bargaining chips' theories. No more. Sorry, Witty.