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  • Schumer on Gazans: 'Strangle them economically'
    • Some of sayanim schmer's b-buds (have a bucket handy before reading this):

      Brad Sherman (D-CA): Prosecute Flotilla Americans: NY Jewish Week Says Just Bomb Ships (Iran Too)

      By M.J. Rosenberg - June 5, 2010, 10:15AM

      Brad Sherman (D-CA) is probably (possible exception Shelley Berkley of Nevada) the most pro-Likud Democratic member of Congress. (No, not pro-Israel. You can't support policies that cause the whole world to turn against Israel and use that label).

      But this is crazy even for Sherman. It comes from Lobelog, one of the very best sources for news and opinion on the Middle East.

      On a press call hosted by a pro-Israel organization, Rep. Brad Sherman, Democrat of California, told reporters that he intends to seek the prosecution of any U.S. citizens who were aboard or involved with the Freedom Flotilla.

      The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 makes it absolutely illegal for any American to give food, money, school supplies, paper clips, concrete or weapons to Hamas or any of its officials," Sherman said on the Israel Project call, conflating Hamas and Gaza's civilian population. "And so I will be asking the Attorney General to prosecute any American involved in what was clearly an effort to give items of value to a terrorist organization."

      Sherman also said that he plans on working with the Department of Homeland Security to make sure that any non-U.S. citizen involved with or aboard the Flotilla are excluded from entering the U.S.

      But that is nothing compared to an editorial column from the very mainstream New York Jewish Week. It calls for bombing all future flotillas -- and Iran too. It is utterly deranged but it comes from an establishment source, so read it with some concern. The author seems frozen in a state of 1942 like terror. Man, the flotilla attack has certainly unhinged some of these guys. But it's worrisome. Terrified people can be dangerous.

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      There are several embedded links in this post which the blogpost summarizes.

    • "then it follows that an ethnic cleansing, a direct extermination of the Palestinian people will NOT be frowned upon by the likes of Schumer, Pelosi, Harry Reid, Wexler, Feingold and the other criminals in the US government – Because that will be, in their view, the only way for Israel to defend itself from the ‘threat’ of a bi-national state."

      That lot, and about 75% of the rest of the u.s. congress would have no personal problems with that outcome. They'd probably welcome it. And the u.s mainstream media would dutifully portray the genocide the same way they've portrayed the million plus Iraqi, Afghan and Pakistani victims of this fascist free for all.

    • That's a war crime you just committed, schumer. Guess what that means.

  • Emily Henochowicz was shot while holding Turkish flag
  • With US mood turning, Israel lobbyist urges approach to Russia ('we share values')
    • The Russians were much better disposed to americans, and israelis, before the yeltsin years took their toll. Israeloamerican backing of that severe depression caused by yeltsin & co. left around 3 million Russians dead who would not normally have died and that depression is comparable to the one in the usa during the 1930's. Most Russians know that depression was a direct result of western backing (mostly israeli and american) of the oligarchs that sucked the country dry. That's what changed the majority from having a positive view of america to a negative view.

      The Russians get better news of things like the Afghan and Iran wars. American/israeli warmongering is not something left to the alternative media in Russia, it's front page news. There also isn't that curious zionist media phenomenon where allthe news outlets carry the exact same view of an incident or issue. They get a variety. So they are on average, better informed than americans. The Russians are also very anti-war as a people. A bit of trivia. The first anti-war protest against the Iraq war that got onto american television was stage by a couple of Russian teenagers. On the jay leno show, as a matter of fact, in Feb 03. That protest made the phrase ХУЙ ВОЙНЕ! world famous. ;D

    • I believe hitler thought mussolini was weak, too....

    • RT goes pretty light on israel, but yes, they are better than the mainstream u.s. media.

      (They have to be, some Russians may be watching it ;D)

    • "You think Russia is going to let Israel in to do what it did to the USA, again?"

      Shhhh. Let the israelis think they will, though. ;D

    • "Israel lobbyist urges approach to Russia"

      Go for it. Russia is playing israeli the same way israel plays the rest of the world. The fact that Russian immigrants to israel are also treated with a lot of discrimination in israel's caste society should make such a Russian-israeli partnership especially entertaining.

      "(‘we share values’)"


      You did with the yeltsin era corruption and gangsterism and those oligarchs still left over from it. But keep kidding yourself. You'll find out. :D

  • New footage of flotilla attack contradicts Israeli account
    • I forgot to source that info I posted above:

      "According to Jewish Peace News, Linda Brayer is “a human rights lawyer who specializes in the laws of war and international law in representing Palestinians and who lives in Haifa.”

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    • The document shown in this video is way too small to include all the members on the Mavi Marmara. It's not a passenger list. There's only about 4 pages with around 6 people per page. Take a look at the video, it's shown soon after minute 5. A man who speaks English holds the document up and flips through the pages to give a clear image on the camara. Someone who reads Hebrew should be able to translate the larger print on it. The pages are also shiny, reflect light, so it appears to be laminated.

    • Just to keep things in their proper perspective here:

      "The attack took place in international waters against ships flying under national flags of countries with which Israel is not at war, namely Turkey, Greece and the United States.…

      Since no state of war existed at the time, the attack on these vessels constitutes an act of war against those governments under whose flags the vessels were sailing.…

      Because this attack was carried out in international waters, the status of the relationship between Hamas, or any other Palestinian body, and the state of Israel is of no relevance whatsoever. Likewise, neither the blockade of Gaza nor Israel’s claims and legal interpretations regarding it has any bearing on its acts of aggression in international waters.…

      It is irrelevant what Israeli ministers, generals, admirals, or soldiers thought or intended. The test is in what they did. What they did was engage in acts of war using weapons of war in international waters against vessels that are protected not only in peacetime but also in times of war. Israel has therefore committed both crimes against the peace and crimes against humanity.…

      Every single act carried out by the Israeli military forces in international waters on May 31, 2010, are unqualifiedly and absolutely violations of international law."

      In simpler terms, the israelis were committing multiple crimes and there is really no other legal way to view the attack. So whatever happened to these cheeseheads while they were committing those crimes, they legally deserved it. Legally the israeli leadership giving the orders and the individual members of that israeli ss unit are all liable and all could be internationally tried and convicted just like the WW2 nazis were at Nuremberg.

    • Since I noticed sayanim menachem is spamming bs about the captured ss, er...sorry, israeli commandos, I'll post this account of their capture in full:

      June 7, 2010 Reflections by a Former US Marine on the Mavi Marmara On Cowardice and Violence

      By KEN O'KEEFE


      In 2002 I initiated the TJP Human Shield Action to Iraq because I knew that the invasion of Iraq had been planned well in advance, that it was part of a ‘Global Spectrum Dominance’ agenda as laid out by the Project For A New American Century. I knew that protests had no chance of stopping the invasion, and that largely these protests were just a way of making us feel better about the coming mass murder; by being able to say “I protested against it.” With that understanding I argued that the only viable way to stop the invasion was to conduct a mass migration to Iraq. A migration in which people from around the world, especially western citizens, would position themselves at sites in Iraq that are supposed to be protected by international law, but which are routinely bombed when it is only Iraqi, Palestinian, generally non-white, western lives who will be killed. I felt 10,000 such people could stop the invasion, or at the very least, expose the invasion for what it was from the start, an act of international aggression, a war crime and a crime against humanity.

      I have for many years understood that we, people of conscience, are the true holders of power in this world. Frustratingly however we have largely relinquished that power and failed to reach our full potential. Our potential to create a better world, a just world. Nonetheless I have conspired with others of like mind to reveal and exercise our true power.

      When our two double decker busses travelled from London to Baghdad through Turkey, it was ever clear that the people of Turkey also could sense the power of this act, and they were the biggest participants in it. In the end we did not get the numbers required to stop the war, with at least one million Iraqi’s dead as a result, but I remain convinced that it was within our power to prevent the invasion. A massive opportunity lost as far as I am concerned.

      In 2007 I joined the Free Gaza Movement with its plan to challenge the blockade of Gaza by travelling to Gaza by sea. From the moment I heard of the plan I knew it could succeed and ultimately I served as a captain on the first attempt. The Israeli government said throughout our preparation that we were no better than pirates and they would treat us as such. They made clear we would not reach Gaza. And still I knew we could succeed. And we did. Two boats with 46 passengers from various countries managed to sail into Gaza on August 23, 2007; this was the first time this had been done in 41 years.

      The truth is the blockade of Gaza is far more than three years old, and yet we, a small group of conscientious people defied the Israeli machine and celebrated with tens of thousands of Gazans when we arrived that day. We proved that it could be done. We proved that an intelligent plan, with skilled manipulation of the media, could render the full might of the Israeli Navy useless. And I knew then that this was only the tip of the iceberg.

      So participating in the Freedom Flotilla is like a family reunion to me. It is my long lost family whose conscience is their guide, who have shed the fear, who act with humanity. But I was especially proud to join IHH and the Turkish elements of the flotilla. I deeply admire the strength and character of the Turkish people, despite your history having stains of injustice, like every nation, you are today from citizen to Prime Minister among the leaders in the cause of humanity and justice.

      I remember being asked during the TJP Human Shield Action to Iraq if I was a pacifist, I responded with a quote from Gandhi by saying I am not a passive anything. To the contrary I believe in action, and I also believe in self-defence, 100 per cent, without reservation. I would be incapable of standing by while a tyrant murders my family, and the attack on the Mavi Marmara was like an attack on my Palestinian family. I am proud to have stood shoulder to shoulder with those who refused to let a rogue Israeli military exert their will without a fight.

      And yes, we fought.

      When I was asked, in the event of an Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara, would I use the camera, or would I defend the ship? I enthusiastically committed to defence of the ship. Although I am also a huge supporter of non-violence, in fact I believe non-violence must always be the first option. Nonetheless I joined the defence of the Mavi Mamara understanding that violence could be used against us and that we may very well be compelled to use violence in self defence.

      I said this straight to Israeli agents, probably of Mossad or Shin Bet, and I say it again now, on the morning of the attack I was directly involved in the disarming of two Israeli Commandos. This was a forcible, non-negotiable, separation of weapons from commandos who had already murdered two brothers that I had seen that day. One brother with a bullet entering dead center in his forehead, in what appeared to be an execution.

      I knew the commandos were murdering when I removed a 9mm pistol from one of them. I had that gun in my hands and as an ex-US Marine with training in the use of guns it was completely within my power to use that gun on the commando who may have been the murderer of one of my brothers. But that is not what I, nor any other defender of the ship did. I took that weapon away, removed the bullets, proper lead bullets, separated them from the weapon and hid the gun. I did this in the hopes that we would repel the attack and submit this weapon as evidence in a criminal trial against Israeli authorities for mass murder. I also helped to physically separate one commando from his assault rifle, which another brother apparently threw into the sea.

      I and hundreds of others know the truth that makes a mockery of the brave and moral Israeli military. We had in our full possession, three completely disarmed and helpless commandos. These boys were at our mercy, they were out of reach of their fellow murderers, inside the ship and surrounded by 100 or more men. I looked into the eyes of all three of these boys and I can tell you they had the fear of God in them. They looked at us as if we were them, and I have no doubt they did not believe there was any way they would survive that day. They looked like frightened children in the face of an abusive father.

      But they did not face an enemy as ruthless as they. Instead the woman provided basic first aid, and ultimately they were released, battered and bruised for sure, but alive. Able to live another day. Able to feel the sun over head and the embrace of loved ones. Unlike those they murdered. Despite mourning the loss of our brothers, feeling rage towards these boys, we let them go.

      The Israeli prostitutes of propaganda can spew all of their disgusting bile all they wish, the commandos are the murderers, we are the defenders, and yet we fought. We fought not just for our lives, not just for our cargo, not just for the people of Palestine, we fought in the name of justice and humanity. We were right to do so, in every way.

      While in Israeli custody I, along with everyone else was subjected to endless abuse and flagrant acts of disrespect. Women and elderly were physically and mentally assaulted. Access to food and water and toilets was denied. Dogs were used against us, we ourselves were treated like dogs. We were exposed to direct sun in stress positions while hand cuffed to the point of losing circulation of blood in our hands. We were lied to incessantly, in fact I am awed at the routineness and comfort in their ability to lie, it is remarkable really. We were abused in just about every way imaginable and I myself was beaten and choked to the point of blacking out… and I was beaten again while in my cell. In all this what I saw more than anything else were cowards… and yet I also see my brothers. Because no matter how vile and wrong the Israeli agents and government are, they are still my brothers and sisters and for now I only have pity for them. Because they are relinquishing the most precious thing a human being has, their humanity.

      In conclusion; I would like to challenge every endorser of Gandhi, every person who thinks they understand him, who acknowledges him as one of the great souls of our time (which is just about every western leader), I challenge you in the form of a question.

      Please explain how we, the defenders of the Mavi Mamara, are not the modern example of Gandhi’s essence? But first read the words of Gandhi himself. I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.... I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonour. – Gandhi And lastly I have one more challenge. I challenge any critic of merit, publicly, to debate me on a large stage over our actions that day. I would especially love to debate with any Israeli leader who accuses us of wrongdoing, it would be my tremendous pleasure to face off with you. All I saw in Israel was cowards with guns, so I am ripe to see you in a new context. I want to debate with you on the largest stage possible. Take that as an open challenge and let us see just how brave Israeli leaders are.

      Ken O'Keefe is a former US Marine and Gulf War veteran.

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      He's 100% correct about israelis being cowards. The only things more cowardly than israelis are known as klu klux klan. Note both israeli ss and klu klux klan wear masks over their faces when they attack their victims. Coincidence? Nah.

    • Now I see where the Turkish stories about the israeli hit lists originated from and that they are in fact are real. The captured list was shown in this video. I had wondered how how the info was smuggled out of gestapo hq, er...sorry, israel.

      Thanks for posting this here, BTW.

    • You know, sayanim/hasbarats like rachel and menachem provide a name to which israeli/zionist war crimes can be attached. They provide people with some insight to the racist and criminally defective nature that is israel itself. it's kind of like opposing the nazis, but being disgusted with in an abstract way, finally meet one and they open their mouth and provide you will all the reason in the world to why the freaks should be opposed. And put down.

  • Israel's 'self-defense' narrative falls apart
    • Obama is a mafia lawyer, that's essentially what one needs to be to get elected in the usa now.

  • Christian Zionists pipe new hasbara line (glass houses)
    • Since Christian zionists are just another zionist tool, it's likely the scheme was developed by those same people that came up with the hasbara that israel was just defending itself from al ciada aboard the Mavi Marmara.

  • Israel said to consider stiff penalties for those supporting BDS
    • Israel already is a police state, and probably has been from the beginning. The state security apparatus in israel has almost unlimited power there. Obviously, the israelis don't advertise this, though.

    • "Israel said to consider stiff penalties for those supporting BDS"

      Like sending in mossad death squads?

  • Steven Cook of CFR works overtime to make sure US shares Israel's new enmity to Turkey
    • "You sound like you have a logical problem."

      It's a zionist bot. Logical problems are inherent to the programme.

    • I should have added that it's Turkey's distaste for the zionist fanaticism about israel and israel's what can best be described as nazi-like behaviour, which is probably the major factor pushing Turkey towards the more independent status which is bothering the israeloamerican fascists so much now. Take out the zionist factor and probably, Turkey would have remained the way it was before.

    • The pkk has been attacking Turkish military people for years and it's no secret that they are being controlled by the usa and israel. This may be a factor in the round up of the coup plotters, since probably a lot in the Turkish military now view such dual loyaties in their ranks as offensive and were happy to help round up these israeloamerican agents. I think after the naval base attack, this is the first time I've seen the Turkish guv specifically blame israel for the attack.

    • I agree, Miss Dee Mena, the interests of the usa and israel, or I should say, the interests of the various corporate fascists who associate their base with those two countries, are pretty much the same in the Mideast, as their interests are elsewhere round the world, except perhaps in Palestine itself, where its israel's interests alone. The two power blocks can be essentially considered one block in most respects of what they seek, which is continued expansion of their world dominance and containment/roll back of rival power blocks.

      I think the main differences are in how they seek it and this may reflect the differences between neo-lib and neo-con strategies. The neo-libs being in favour of soft power projection, such as economic manipulations and "color revolutions" while the neo-cons being the hot warmongers and "full spectrum dominance" proponents, to simplify their differences. The zionist and non-zionists get along so well because their interests pretty much are the same, and both types are neo-libs and neo-cons, so there is a large overlap of styles, as well, between the two.

      Besides all the other reasons many has discussed before, I believe the zionists have the upper hand simply because the existence of israel and its craven behaviour has hurt these israeloamerican corporate geopolitical interests immensely and is currently setting them back in relation to their rivals. There's no question that american support for israel has drained a huge amount of potential support for the usa (it's fascist corporate controllers, I mean) in the other countries of the Mideast. This maintenance of such self-destructive policies (for american fascist geopolitical goals) can only be explained by zionists having a disproportionate amount of control in the power block. Otherwise, they would have been slapped down long ago, and the more obviouslylogical geopolitical strategies followed.

    • It's going to look very strange to america's European nato allies once the israeloamericans put their covert terrorist operations against Turkey in full swing like what they're doing with Iran. The "Kurdish" ppk will be the most likely vehicle for this. They've been periodically used by israeloamerica for terrorist ops in Turkey already. The last one the same day israel's brave commandos shot up the aide workers aboard the Mavi Marmara.

      Internally, in Turkey, there are probably still military and political puppets the israeloamerican will try to use to manipulate the Turkish back to israel's side (note, I wrote israel's, not america's, that's intentional). The coup plotters arrested last year and early this year show the large extend of this corruption. It's possible the Turkish guv managed to thwart this israeloamerican option, though, when they investigated and arrested those coup plotters in the last year. Hopefully, they busted up that ring thoroughly. The israeloamericans probably do still have enough assets in the country to begin "civil war" or "color revolution" shenanigans, though, since Turkey's long association with nato and u.s.-israeli interests is bound to have generated a large base of operations there to pull from.

      What Turkey can expect now is an increase in terrorist acts, an active "opposition movement" within Turkey and maybe sabotage/agitation from agents within the guv itself.

  • Obama's refusal to jettison the special relationship is an abrogation of his responsibility
    • Cheers, guys.

      Conrad, I used to be a firebrand Commie. Now I've toned it down to being a commie with a small "c". ;D

      In the end, people know what's right and wrong and the labels we give ourselves (and each other) usually just get in the way.

    • The nuclear issues are a smokescreen for the real purpose of israeloamerican antagonism towards Iran. Iran is not subservient to these people - that's not allowed. And Iran has a sizable energy store and is a border state to Central Asia, where there is a whole lot more energy. In other words, the aggression against Iran is part of "great game" strategy.

      If Iran had no nuclear infrastructure, you would see the israeloamerica oligarchy and media yapping about other invented rubbish to demonise Iran.

    • I suspect this is a clever way to give corporate welfare to those corporations who will be given the contracts for these programmes, you know, like they've done in Iraq and Afghanistan - blackwater, halliburton, etc. The mortgage bit sounds like another handout to banksters and perhaps to pay off abbas supporters/cronies. Then there is running the money through abbas & co....

      $400 mil sounds like a lot, but it amounts to approximately $260 for each Gazan. Iit's also just a drop in the bucket compared to the damage israel did to Gaza in their last war crime, not to mention the slow destruction israel has been carrying out on Gaza for decades. When you consider how much the usa has done to aide in this israeli destruction of Gaza, $400 mil is like bulldozing a persons house and then giving them a cardboard box to live in.

      Sorry, I'm very cynical about these guys and what they do. I consider the usa the banana republic's banana republic, and banana republics idea of aide is called a bribe/payoff/exploitation on the sly pretty much everywhere else.

    • This year alone, I've seen several articles that put the figure of Jewish political contributions at something like 50% of the take the demicans rake in. This is from individuals and corporations affiliated with aipac and its cronies. I don't know what percentage of republicrat political contributions are Jewish. I remember the articles specified Jewish, not zionist, how could someone know if the person was a zionist, anyways, and I'm not sure how they knew what percentage was from Jewish people, either. It could be they traced what contributions came through known Jewish groups and lobbies and used that. In which case, some of the contributors may have been fundy Christians/israeli sympathisers/etc. making a contribution through a Jewish group, but I don't know. One thing is certain is the campaign coffers the zionists (Jewish and Christian) control is huge and probably the largest of the special interest sources to the demicans.

    • Latuff does some pretty good political cartoons, this one about the protection the usa gives to israeli criminology:

      Israel refuses lift blockade by ~Latuff2

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    • "And I like Dan Drezner’s analogy that America is to Israel as China is to North Korea. But there is one very important difference – China is an ascendant global force, while American influence is dwindling."

      This drezner is sleazy propagandist. There is no similarity between the relationship of China and North Korea and that of the usa and israel, or more realistically put, israel and its american colony. The slimeball is using the israeli war crime against the Gaza aide convoy to blame North Korea for the american sinking the Cheonan. See:

      The Sinking of the Cheonan: We Are Being Lied To

      by Scott Creighton

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      That article goes into detail on the "torpedo" parts "found" and how they actually compare with the North Korean torpedo they are claimed by the israeloamericans to be a part of.

      Who Sank the South Korean Warship Cheonan? A New Stage in the US-Korean War and US-China Relations

      Tanaka Sakai

      Translated by Kyoko Selden

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      Beijing suspects false flag attack on South Korean corvette By Wayne Madsen May 28, 2010, 00:18

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      Did an American Mine Sink South Korean Ship?

      New America Media, News Analysis, Yoichi Shimatsu, Posted: May 27, 2010

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      As for moor, he makes reasonable observations like israel is dragging the usa down, but like with his use of the slimball, drezner's propaganda, his brain appears to go into propaganda mode after that. Israel is not a client state of the usa and obama's subservience to zionist interests is not just to get reelected. Obama is a servant of the zionists because he is one of them. Zionist interests are obama's interests, and have been at least since college. The man is a corporate puppet. He's not being forced to do anything, he's following the same path he's always enthusiastically followed. The obama as liberal "good guy" being forced to compromise with fascist interests mythology is total bunk and it's the same crap that was applied to clinton in the 90's. These are not liberals, they are fascists. This misrepresentation of them as liberals is a deliberate marketing ploy by the ziofascists and the fascists to keep progressives befuddled and ineffective and prevent them from effectively opposing these fascists. This is how it generally goes:

      "Oh so obama compromised again, he didn't really mean to, "they" forced him to do it or "they" tricked him with "bad advice". We should write and tell him, I'm sure he will see the error of his way, once he knows we support his true liberal self, he's such a good man, you know. He's just needs to know we'll back up his ideas."

      It's the same excusatory crap repeated ad nauseum that I've been hearing since the 70's. It works, so these suck-ups to power keep using it.

  • Israel’s cult of victimhood: ‘Barefoot’ soldiers on the high seas
    • Cheers, both of you.

    • One of the Americans who was on the Mavi Marmara wrote about his experiences a couple of days ago. In case you guys have not seen it:

      June 7, 2010
      Reflections by a Former US Marine on the Mavi Marmara
      On Cowardice and Violence

      By KEN O'KEEFE


      "And yes, we fought.

      When I was asked, in the event of an Israeli attack on the Mavi Marmara, would I use the camera, or would I defend the ship? I enthusiastically committed to defence of the ship. Although I am also a huge supporter of non-violence, in fact I believe non-violence must always be the first option. Nonetheless I joined the defence of the Mavi Mamara understanding that violence could be used against us and that we may very well be compelled to use violence in self defence.

      I said this straight to Israeli agents, probably of Mossad or Shin Bet, and I say it again now, on the morning of the attack I was directly involved in the disarming of two Israeli Commandos. This was a forcible, non-negotiable, separation of weapons from commandos who had already murdered two brothers that I had seen that day. One brother with a bullet entering dead center in his forehead, in what appeared to be an execution.

      I knew the commandos were murdering when I removed a 9mm pistol from one of them. I had that gun in my hands and as an ex-US Marine with training in the use of guns it was completely within my power to use that gun on the commando who may have been the murderer of one of my brothers. But that is not what I, nor any other defender of the ship did. I took that weapon away, removed the bullets, proper lead bullets, separated them from the weapon and hid the gun. I did this in the hopes that we would repel the attack and submit this weapon as evidence in a criminal trial against Israeli authorities for mass murder. I also helped to physically separate one commando from his assault rifle, which another brother apparently threw into the sea.

      I and hundreds of others know the truth that makes a mockery of the brave and moral Israeli military. We had in our full possession, three completely disarmed and helpless commandos. These boys were at our mercy, they were out of reach of their fellow murderers, inside the ship and surrounded by 100 or more men. I looked into the eyes of all three of these boys and I can tell you they had the fear of God in them. They looked at us as if we were them, and I have no doubt they did not believe there was any way they would survive that day. They looked like frightened children in the face of an abusive father.

      But they did not face an enemy as ruthless as they. Instead the woman provided basic first aid, and ultimately they were released, battered and bruised for sure, but alive. Able to live another day. Able to feel the sun over head and the embrace of loved ones. Unlike those they murdered. Despite mourning the loss of our brothers, feeling rage towards these boys, we let them go."

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    • Well, what people don't know, usually ends up hurting others.

    • "I will provide both the questions and the answers."

      That's the purpose of hasbara, no?


    • Forgot something. By making it out that the nazis only victims were Jewish people, the u.s. establishment could then ignore the crimes the nazis did against the left. It's not that the u.s. establishment condoned the other racial/cultural groups being murdered, outside of leftists, it's it really didn't matter to them who got genocided, as long as the left was destroyed. Highlighting the others, would invariably show leftists as victims as well, and Soviets, and the u.s. establishment didn't want these people getting the sort of sympathy Jewish people got. One cant very well promote a cold war with an enemy everyone sympathises with. So highlighting Jewish suffering and ignoring all others worked for them because it better served their own propaganda. Sympathy for Jewish Holocaust victims would not spill over into sympathy for leftists or Soviets, and for the vast majority of americans, it never did.

    • Avi

      "and whenever WWII came up, the Jews were mentioned as Hitler’s only victims."

      I grew up with that sort of nonsense. It was only because I'm a history nut that I later discovered there were many others given the same genocidal treatment by the nazis. That distortion of history is not just because of Jewish insistence that they be considered the prime victims, though. The u.s. establishment (non-zionist corporate oligarchs) really never quibbled about nazi extermination of the left, in fact, they wholly endorsed it, were envious of the nazi's freedom to persecute at will. This part of the usa establishment had no interest in documenting nazi atrocities against the left, The last thing they wanted was sympathy for the left. So if nazi genocidal policies were all against Jewish people, all the better for their propaganda, as well. They also saw no problem using nazis to further their own ends after the war, no matter what disgusting crimes these people committed, precisely because these nazis, and those running the usa in the 40's and 50's had a lot in common.

    • A great rant that touches upon many of the same things as the Cook piece here:

      It’s Amazing What Decades of Shit Can Do

      by Mark Drolette / June 9th, 2010

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  • Flotilla was successful: NBC Nightly News airs searing report on Gaza 'prison'
    • LanceThruster

      "One thing I notice though, is that many news items seem to serve as nothing but pressure relief valves. When the lies can be contained no further, little snippets make it into the MSM echo chamber, but not to begin examination, but to delay/diffuse any critical mass that might have built up from the outrage."

      I've noticed that as well, and others have made that same observation in the past. It happens when the news reaches a point where they have to say something realistic to maintain their semblance of credibility. Unfortunately, what usually happens is a "fix" is then worked out that allows things to pretty much remain the same, but creates a perception that there has been the necessary changes to alleviate the problem. The whole thing is then quickly forgotten in the media. Not always, but often enough I remain cynical of any mainstream corporate efforts.

  • Internet killed the hasbara star
    • That famous saying:

      "You're free to say anything you want, right up to the moment you become a threat."

    • You know, those pro-israelis behave remarkably like German nazis taunting Jewish people in 1930's Germany.

    • The Black media has been skeptical of zionist hasbara for some time now. For good reason, they watched these zionists bring in the raygun regime and have noted the zionist support for support every racist law/politician/hate campaign since.

    • The problem is not israeli hasbara, they are only doing what one would expect of war criminals, lying to make their crimes appear legit. The problem lies in zionist control of the major media in the usa. They promoted the israeli hasbara as facts and censored the real information that exposed israeli lying. Just like they have promoted every israeli hasbara campaign. The good thing about the web is that zionists have not managed to gain complete control of it, so real info still gets through.

      But for how much longer?

  • Israel holds passengers' computers, cell phones, Blackberries
    • Commit war crimes and then confiscate the evidence of the crime. Typical of the criminal mind. The only reason they didn't kill everyone was because the world was watching them. The world is going to have to stop just watching, though, and do some serious leaning on these war criminals if there is to be an end to israeli war criminality.

  • She looks like a very nice lady
  • Adviser without portfolio, Walt tells Obama how to get back his Cairo form
    • I suspect the u.s regime was in on the attack and the loss of the Liberty would be blamed on one of israel's opponents, whom the u.s. would have then joined the fight against. They made no effort to help the Liberty, even after israel got caught.

  • In Helen Thomas case, the world sees a taboo being enforced
    • Usually one or two posts is all I need to figure out who is a sayanim/hasbarat, after that ignore their arguments as they're strawmen, anyway. Leaves more time to read what the humans on a site write. ;D

    • Good to see somebody standing up for Thomas. The double standard in the usa because of zionist pressure/control is abominable. One can say what they want about Muslims, and the racism in the mainstream, zionist controlled media is rampant, but one word of criticism of israel and you're out and treated as the devil incarnate. These people, zionists, are creating their own backlash, and the more they do this crap, the larger the backlash will be.

  • Hitchens advises the Palestinians on how to get freedom
    • I actually have never read any of his books. I did read some articles and heard a few of his speeches/talks, though, and none of those impressed me much. The only one I even remember anything of was a speech of his in defense of chomsky back in the 80's when chomsky, and this only because he ended it with a great line (the rest I found to be long-winded self-indulgence that literally put me to sleep). Seemed to me he just liked to hear himself talk in what I heard.

    • Just in case you need a refresher course, wj:

      Defending the indefensible: a how-to guide

      Posted By Stephen M. Walt Wednesday, June 2, 2010 - 2:55 PM

      Here are my 21 handy talking-points when you need to apply the white-wash:

      1. We didn't do it! (Denials usually don't work, but it's worth a try).

      2. We know you think we did it but we aren't admitting anything.

      3. Actually, maybe we did do something but not what we are accused of doing.

      4. Ok, we did it but it wasn't that bad ("waterboarding isn't really torture, you know").

      5. Well, maybe it was pretty bad but it was justified or necessary. (We only torture terrorists, or suspected terrorists, or people who might know a terrorist...")

      6. What we did was really quite restrained, when you consider how powerful we really are. I mean, we could have done something even worse.

      7. Besides, what we did was technically legal under some interpretations of international law (or at least as our lawyers interpret the law as it applies to us.)

      8. Don't forget: the other side is much worse. In fact, they're evil. Really.

      9. Plus, they started it.

      10. And remember: We are the good guys. We are not morally equivalent to the bad guys no matter what we did. Only morally obtuse, misguided critics could fail to see this fundamental distinction between Them and Us.

      11. The results may have been imperfect, but our intentions were noble. (Invading Iraq may have resulted in tens of thousands of dead and wounded and millions of refugees, but we meant well.)

      12. We have to do things like this to maintain our credibility. You don't want to encourage those bad guys, do you?

      13. Especially because the only language the other side understands is force.

      14. In fact, it was imperative to teach them a lesson. For the Nth time.

      15. If we hadn't done this to them they would undoubtedly have done something even worse to us. Well, maybe not. But who could take that chance?

      16. In fact, no responsible government could have acted otherwise in the face of such provocation.

      17. Plus, we had no choice. What we did may have been awful, but all other policy options had failed and/or nothing else would have worked.

      18. It's a tough world out there and Serious People understand that sometimes you have to do these things. Only ignorant idealists, terrorist sympathizers, craven appeasers and/or treasonous liberals would question our actions.

      19. In fact, whatever we did will be worth it eventually, and someday the rest of the world will thank us.

      20. We are the victims of a double-standard. Other states do the same things (or worse) and nobody complains about them. What we did was therefore permissible.

      21. And if you keep criticizing us, we'll get really upset and then we might do something really crazy. You don't want that, do you?

      Repeat as necessary.

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    • Hitchens was never very relevant, just a mediocre windbag with an ego. Much like whorowitz. About as left-wing as well. These guys didn't so much as switch sides as drop the pretense.

      I think the best response to hitchens that I've ever heard was when that twitch attempted to browbeat George Galloway and Galloway simply responed to said plug:

      "Christopher, your hands are shaking, you need a drink"

      Leaving the little bitch almost in tears. :D

  • Pro-IDF, Anti-Turkish Rally in Tel Aviv (or a Glimpse Into Collective Israeli Derangement)
    • Ari

      One can pretty much write off maher as a zionist version of a klu klux klanner in a "liberal" white robe. It's that cone shaped dunce cap that always gives them away....

    • VR

      I agree. Like the usa has it's monroe doctrine for the New World, israel has it's own version for the Mideast and beyond.

    • Ari

      "The same tactic is used in the US to get popular support for foreign invasions, occupation and torture"

      Back in the 19th century and earlier they didn't bother with such niceties. The policies against Native Americans were openly genocidal, with open calls for total extermination from politicians and newspapers. By the time of the amero-Philippine war, the "other" was "bandits" who had to be exterminated. Then, later, the "bandits" became "communists" who had to be exterminated. Now the "communists" are "Islamics". Where before, in the 19th century, when anything was OK to expand empire, it was acceptable to to call for genocide and conquest, now days, the fascists have to be more circumspect and couch their crap in "feel good" propaganda like "war for democracy". But the 21st century goals are pretty much the same as those of the 19th century.

    • I'm not convinced it's paranoia, though zionist/israeli paranoia is legendary. Those controlling israelis policies/demands make sense from a colonial pov. You don't want your colonials and probable future territories having the ability to counter you now or later. In any way.

    • With 94% of israelis supporting both the war crimes in Gaza and now the terrorist war crime against the Gaza aide convoy, I've come to the conclusion israel can not be reformed to a level where it can join the community of civilized nations. No more than klu klux klan can be reformed. Eventually, this will have to be addressed.

      Strip Israel of its UN Membership.

      To: UN General Assembly

      Dear UN General Assembly Members:

      We, the undersigned citizens of the world, call on the United Nations General Assembly to rescind Israel's membership in the UN, as a step toward ending Zionist apartheid.

      Israel's attack on a humanitarian aid fleet on Monday May 31, 2010, its murder of 9 human rights activists in international waters and wounding 50 others demonstrate that Israel rejects the structural tenets of our shared humanity, manifested in a global moral consensus and international law.

      Countless UN resolutions call on Israel to respect international law. It abides by none of them. It should therefore lose its place among the global family of nations.

      Israel has been violating international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention in its building of settlements, displacement of the indigenous population of Palestine, invasion of surrounding countries, killing and ethnically cleansing civilians systematically through the use of massacres. Israel has never been held accountable for the massacres of Deir Yassin, Qibya, Sabra and Shatilla, Qana, Gaza, and Jenin, for murdering Rachel Corrie, nor, as of today, for its massacre on the flotilla of international peace activists hoping to break Israel’s siege on the Palestinian people. As of 2007, Gaza has been turned into an open air prison housing 1.5 million people. Since 1948, Palestinians who carry Israeli citizenship do not enjoy equal protection or rights under Israeli law for not being classified as “Jewish Nationals.” Palestinian survivors of ethnic cleansing are denied the right to return.

      We, the citizens of the world, call upon you to shape the 21st century with a new ethic, already enshrined in the United Nations. We call upon you to end Zionist apartheid and racial injustice by stripping Israel of its UN membership.


      The Undersigned

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  • 'TNR' says Judt wants to turn many of world's Jews into refugees
    • I think I'll start a state where punk rockers and their fans get the high seat and everyone else will get varying levels of citizenship rights, benefits and status below them. Perhaps after the punk rockers, those who like mixes of punk rock and other forms of music should be considered the next in line (such as fans of Звери, a band who once listed themselves as punk-polka ;D ). After that, maybe 1950's style rockers, like Elvis, and rockabilly, then perhaps maybe country musicians and their fans. Led Zep and their genera could occupy the middle. We could then descend down the ladder to heavy metal, pop vocals, opera & classical (no Wagner, of course), blues, soul, reggae, various forms of folk and "world music". Last of all would be those evil dark skinned rappers and their blonde whores, who would be forced to wear those target symbols on their clothing to make the job of the cops and army easier.

      This is my worldview and anybody who disagrees with me is an anti-punkite and should be taken out by the punkassad.

  • An unqualified defense of Helen Thomas
    • I agree with sherbrsi's comment. The women was a thorn in the side to the ziofascists and the fascists. So they worked together to get rid of her. Had she said the same thing about any other institutionally racist colonial state, nobody would a blinked an eye.

    • Actually, I've read that for several years now, that the number of people leaving israel and going to Russia is larger than those leaving Russia and going to israel. In other words "Russian Jews" are going back to Russia. :D

      The two main reasons for this is that israel is a caste society, much like the american confederacy, where different racial groupings have different levels of citizenship and levels of institutionalised discrimination directed against them. The Russian immigrants are near the bottom in that caste system, just above black Jews and non-Jews. Many are thoroughly disgusted with their choice and want to get the hell out of that racist place. The other main reason is that many of these Russians left Russia during the yeltsin years when the country had hit absolute bottom. They were desperate to go anywhere, and israel was the last choice for many of them, but the only option. Now that things have greatly improved in Russia, people are returning.

    • It's ridiculous this woman was forced to apologize and retire. What threats were made against her family? That's how the mafia usually "retires" threats they cant just kill.

  • Israel, your Sun City moment has arrived
    • I was wondering about the zionist reaction. Several days ago I noticed that out of the blue, some of the israel-firsters at the guardian's talkboard went into hate Roger Waters mode. Now that I've seen this video, I'm wondering if the hasbara machine has instructed its minions to start posting negative things about Roger Waters around the web. The video appears to have been released on 25 May and the zionists at the guardian's talkboard started their anti Roger Waters thread on the 28th. I've seen the zionist hate squads go after other famous people who spoke out about israel before, so I know they do run these slander campaigns.

    • I tried going to the RogerWatersHimself youtube site, host of the Roger Waters video on youtube, and got this:

      This channel is not available.

      I've heard a lot of complaints about youtube biased censorship.

  • Finkelstein: Did Netanyahu OK nighttime commando raid to restore Israel's Entebbe glory?
    • You sure they're British? ;D

    • No mention of the international politics behind the terrorist piracy attack from Finkelstein? I serious doubt the big motivator here was Entebbe like glory. Is Finkelstein losing it? This was a straight forward terrorist operation to intimidate israeli/zionist opposition. Against further aide attempts that showed the illegitimacy of the israeli blockade of Gaza, and especially against the Turks who have been criticising israeli terrorism and war crimes and trading with Iran. And siding with those also opposed to israeli war criminality. The whole point of the attack was to send the message to these parties that you don't oppose israel and get away with it. It's very obvious that this war crime was not some pr exercise to inflate israel's image, or that of its (cough) leadership, no matter what went down with their seizing the convoy, israel was going to look bad in world opinion. They decided to make the most of it and went for broke. That's rather typical of the israelis. IE "They're going to damn us anyway, so let's get the most mileage out of this we can and have the americans clean up for us".

      It was no botched raid, it went down exactly as the israelis intended. They planned for the contingencies and ran the attack as a war operation from the start. They tried blocking communications, prevented news other than their own propaganda, to completely dominate the scene of the crime and what the world could find out later. This shows clear intention to kill and then limit the fallout in the immediate afterwords.

      The israelis intended to kill people, and had a list of certain ones the commandos were instructed to kill. The wounds show execution style hits. There is no doubt about that now. They opened fire on the Turkish ship in a military manner to install fear and chaos among the ship's people and made no attempt to board a foreign peaceful ship in a normal police manner, which is how you do things on the high seas. They let victims of their shootings bleed to death without aide, obvious the point was they wanted to people to die. Just compare how they boarded the Rachel Corrie with the Mavi Marmara. Completely different types of operations with different intents and it was not world scrutiny that made the difference, it was intent on the part of the israelis.

      The Turks know very well this terrorist attack was an israeli attack directed specifically against Turkey. Their reactions to it show that is what they've concluded. And it wasn't just the ship that was attacked, the israelis staged an attack on some Turkish soldiers in a simultaneous operation. The Turkish PM has connected the two attacks in a speech commemorating the murdered that day. The Turks are treating these israelis attacks as deliberate attacks of war upon Turkey by israel.

  • Remember that Herzl came up with Zionism when he heard Parisians crying 'Death to the Jews!'
    • Citizen

      Maybe I should have said devout believers in hannity, savage and limbaugh then.

    • 94% of israelis supported the massacre of Gaza last year according to published polls. Now about the same percentage has been polled, in israel, by israelis, to support the terrorist piracy inflicted on the Gaza convoy. Even if these polls are not accurate and off by some points, they've been consistant and show that the vast majority of israelis are in favour of those grotesque war crimes.

      This would be like 9/10ths of americans being teabaggers, to make the closest comparison of that israeli sort of mindset that I can think of with people in the usa. That should give an idea of the difference between america and israel. Imagine if 9/10ths of americans thought like michael savage?

  • (Gulp) Israel deploys nuclear cruise missiles near Iran
    • Then a couple of days later, I read this article and realised others were speculating it was a usn mine that sank the Cheonan in a "friendly fire" incident:

      Did an American Mine Sink South Korean Ship?

      New America Media, News Analysis, Yoichi Shimatsu, Posted: May 27, 2010

      link to

      So to recap, the usn was installing or running tests on a minefield when the Cheonan triggered one of these mines which sunk her. Apparently the specific mine installation was at that 3rd buoy described. The mine would have the same effect on a ship as a modern torpedo exploding under the ships hull and a small vessel like Cheonan would certainly see it's back broken. This accident would explain why North Korea wasn't blamed initially, like a "bad guy" usually gets when there is a falseflag, which is why I consider the sinking accidental, rather than deliberate as a falseflag. Later, the decision was made to blame the North Koreans and start falsifying evidence and hop up the media.

      My best guess is neither China or Russia accepts the falsified report produced to to blame the North, and they probably also suspect an accident occurred. "Unofficially" the Russians have said the report is bunk. The results from their own independent investigations are not announced yet. Likely, as with the Iranian nuclear issues, the Russians and Chinese will chose a route to defuse the worst of western aggressive planning. It should be easier with North Korea, since the israeloamericans seem to have used the issue to get what they wanted to happen in Japan and South Korea politically already.

    • At the same time I saw this essay:

      The Sinking of the Cheonan: We Are Being Lied To

      by Scott Creighton

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      That article goes into detail on the "torpedo" parts "found" and how they actually compare with the North Korean torpedo they are claimed by the israeloamericans to be a part of.

      Then the next day Wayne Madsen posted this:

      Beijing suspects false flag attack on South Korean corvette By Wayne Madsen May 28, 2010, 00:18

      link to

      At that point it "clicked". The USS Salvor being there was the missing link that explained the accident. This is what I wrote regarding the info Madsen provided and his speculations:

      While I doubt #3 happened (see the article) - the ship was underway, not anchored, the mine exercise may provide a clue to what happened. The Cheonan could have been accidentally sunk during this mine exercise. This could explain all the attention at the 3rd buoy. Since the mines are not tethered objects like old fashioned mines and actually are a mini, seabed mounted installation that fires a mine, which then acts like a homing torpedo, it's possible one of these fired off its mine at the Cheonan. The mine installation could have been located and fired from that 3rd buoy location and the usn was busy recovering it first so the evidence would be removed - and also so they could inspect the device to see why it fired off the mine. This would explain the importance attached to that 3rd buoy location over that of the sunken ship. It could also explain why the u.s. and South Korean guvs initially didn't blame North Korea. They were taken by surprise by an accident and were not sure what do yet with the spin. IE: still in a state of panic. Later, it occurred to use North Korea as the culprit once the panic subsided.

    • My initial reaction after reading the article was:

      This article raises an interesting issue that a usn sub also sank. That seems unlikely now, given the time passed and covering up such a loss would be impossible now since family members of the sub's crew would be wondering where their Johnny was. But the 3rd buoy dives are something to wonder about. What were they doing there, when the ship's halves were known to be elsewhere. And why were these dives such a priority over that of the Korean ship? I've seen a lot of commentary that an israeli sub may have torpedoed the Korean ship. That also seems a stretch, given the distance Korea is from israel, though not impossible. The israelis certainly have motivation to stage a falseflag against North Korea. The connection here is the German made subs the israelis own, and their presumably German made torpedoes. It's been reported the "torpedo" used to sink the Cheonan was of German make. It's much more plausible, I think, that a u.s.n. sub torpedoed the ship, if the ship was in fact torpedoed. Either by mistake or as a falseflag op.

      From the initial claims by the u.s and South Korea that they didn't think the North had a part in the sinking, I suspect the Korean ship was not deliberately sunk, but was the victim of an accident. Perhaps it triggered an old mine (there are many in that area still) or an internal mishap. And the israeloamericans are now using the sinking to bash North Korea, after the fact. Another interesting thing is the green netting covering the fore part of the after section of the ship as it sits on a barge. It appears somebody doesn't want analysis of the damage to that part of the ship where it broke in two. Why? Was it in fact an external explosion? Or was it internal?

      I've been watching this story develop, wondering when the israeloamericans would kick in their propaganda. It's obvious North Korea is an unresolved failure in israeloamerican eyes. Both because they have positive relations with Iran and because they kicked yank arse during the Korean war (not many americans know, but the objective of the american forces during that war was the conquest of North Korea, in which they failed completely to achieve) and the americans (not to mention, zionist oligarchs) don't like it that small nations can remain independent of their fascist control.

      That was on 28 May.

    • Likely an american mine, rather than a torpedo, in my opinion. An american mine warfare ship was there and it is speculated they were testing or installing some bottom mines, possibly a new type to the usn. This was being done while the the usn and South Korean navy were running exercises off the island. These mines are actually a small installation the sits upon the sea bottom. When a activated and they detect a ship, they launch their mine, which is essentially a homing torpedo. I've been following this incident ever since the story broke in the media and have kept notes and links relating to it. I'll post links and excerpts from articles and what my thinking was/is. Those not really interested in this just scroll past, I'll keep it to this post and use replies so as not to disrupt the rest of the comment section here.

      Lets start here:

      Who Sank the South Korean Warship Cheonan? A New Stage in the US-Korean War and US-China Relations The original Japanese text is available here

      Tanaka Sakai

      Translated by Kyoko Selden

      [Updated May 24, 2010]

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    • Though it is the world being blackmailed more than america is, in my opinion.

    • My fingers failed to keep pace with my thoughts on that last line. This is more like what I intended to say:

      I doubt the israelis have any hesitancy to use their control of america's nukes for their own purposes, which most definitely include threatening nuclear war if the world reaction to their criminality gets to the point where the world puts a serious monkeywrench into israeli plans.

    • In my opinion, saying obama "caved" to israel is like saying booth caved to the confederacy when he shot Lincoln. People don't 'cave" on things they fully support. Obama has been an israeli/zionist protege since at least his college days and probably even earlier. Everyone knows the story of the "Manchurian candidate", think of obama as the telavivian candidate.

      Is israel crazy enough to sneak attack Iran with nuclear cruise missiles? World reaction to their terrorist piracy attack on the Gaza convoy shows what the most gentle world reaction to their nuking Iran would be. And also what the american reaction would be and how the israeli occupied western corporate media would frame the war crime.

      But the question still remains. The israelis have full american support no matter what they do and they know it. Would anybody go to war with israel over israel nuking Iran when america's nuclear arsenal is backing up the israeli aggression? It could be world wide nuclear war. The israeli/zionist control of america is probably the worst thing to befall this planet since the rise of the nazis, but israeli control of america's nuclear arsenal is the most sobering aspect of this zionist/israeli control of all.

      I doubt the israelis have any hesitancy to use their control of america's nukes for their own purposes,which most definitely include threatening nuclear war.

  • 'NYT' opens 'inflammatory' discussion--Israel as strategic liability
    • The lobby is organised crime. The u.s. branch of it. And the lobby owns the politicians who would write that new "rico" law.

      The way to get rid of the lobby is to elect people not working for them. Then start enforcing existing laws having to do with spying and treason.

  • Questions Ethan Bronner could have asked
    • A bit of irony here is that israeli/zionist dominance of american foreign policy is bringing together two nations who have been opponents for literally 100's of years.

    • I've no doubt the israelis carried out their terrorist attack exactly in the manner intended. They intended to kill Turks and offend the nation of Turkey to send Turkey the message that you don't ever criticize israel, or zionism, and get away with it. The israelis, and their american quislings, came to the conclusion Turkey was moving outside their control some time ago. Turkey's refusal to allow the israeloamericans to launch their war of aggression against Iraq from Turkish soil was the wake-up call that Turkey was escaping. Certainly after Turkish reaction to israeli terrorism in Gaza last year, they must have come to the conclusion Turkey had escaped. And worse than that, the Turkish guv had recently quashed the coup plotters israeloamerica had set-up for just this contingency.

      Since they cant coup Turkey, like they've done a few times in the past when Turkey got a little too independent, they decided to outright attack Turkey. Which is exactly what that israeli terrorist act of piracy was. And so was that simultaneous attack in Turkey. Now we will see israeloamerican covert ops and "color revolution" agents go into high gear. Naturally, the israeli occupied western media will do its duty and start demonising Turkey non-stop like they do Iran now.

      The Turks are not wasting any time on putting their own defensive strategy into motion:

      Erdogan invites Russian Putin to conference in Turkey Russian Prime Minister Putin expressed his sorrow over killing of nine people during the raid. Friday, 04 June 2010 11:29

      Meanwhile, Prime Minister Erdogan invited his Russian counterpart to the conference on "Cooperation in Asia and Confidence-Building Measures" in Istanbul on June 8.

      Prime Minister Putin accepted the invitation and the two leaders agreed to hold a bilateral meeting on the sidelines of the conference.

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    • Yeah, but I doubt those Somalis harbour grudges against the Turkish guv. ;D

  • Jewish group said to prepare boat to go to Gaza
  • Witness: Hours elapsed with wounded lying unattended
    • Turkish Gaza Aid Ship Survivors Speak
      by Anita McNaught 05.06.10

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      Includes partial transcript from an Al Jazeera interviews of the survivors and excerpts from a couple of guardian articles detailing the the Turkish autopsies on the dead.

  • Updates on the MV Rachel Corrie
    • It looks like you were exactly right:

      (Cyprus, June 5, 2010) Today, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed the peaceful outcome to the operation when they seized our ship in international waters in direct violation of maritime law. Through his speech writer, he said:

      "We saw today the difference between a ship of peace activists, with whom we don't agree but respect their right to a different opinion from ours, and between a ship of hate organised by violent Turkish terror extremists,"

      So we’d like to remind Mr. Netanyahu that the only hate evidenced on board all six boats on Monday morning came from the Israeli attackers. Israeli soldiers violently boarded the entire flotilla, beating, shooting and hooding passengers as though they were in Abu Ghraib....

      We Will Be Back
      Written by Free Gaza Team | 05 June 2010

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    • IDF boarded the Rachel Corrie with permission of the crew, did so by sea, no helicopters no reports of violence. 3 minutes ago via web

      OK, I think they'll be OK. Though sad they didn't make it to Gaza.

    • That's good news.

    • IDF denies they have boarded, but they are going to post 'their' video tape soon. Eyewitnesses can see the boat from the shore 12 minutes ago via web

      About 12 min after the post saying the ship was captured.

    • The Rachel Corrie has been forcibly seized by the Israeli navy and is being towed to Ashdod. All on board are reported safe. From Perdana 2 minutes ago via web

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    • Thanks for posting this twitter feed. I've posted links here on a couple of other sites (Dissident Voice, Monthly Review).

      I'm waiting to hear all on board are safe and that the ship has docked, hopefully in Gaza.

  • The myth of Israeli strategic genius
    • Israel, like the usa, and now the UK, as well, are churning out well indoctrinated clones, otherwise known as dumbing down their respective populations. While indoctrinated clones don't innovate much or produce scientific breakthroughs, they also don't give corporate oligarchs headaches. It's a trade off that business men have no problem making. What's innovation or science worth to a bunch of monopoly capitalists bent on world domination? They want passive populations of followers, not innovators. The 60's showed these oligarchs what happens when the public starts knowing too much. From that point on, they realised it's better to educate a few and keep the majority in ignorance. And use brute force to dominate their rivals, rather than example or brain power.

    • Perhaps the sort of previous victories is not what israel is seeking now. Maybe they really only want to cause bloodshed and chaos. Maybe what they want is a mass display of extreme terrorism against these peoples in the more recent wars. Maybe they are seeking what terrorists seek. Israel is certainly a terrorist nation. Perhaps goals are different now than they were before, though saying your intention is just to kill, terrorise and bestow chaos wont get israel much good press, so they frame their intentions in the propaganda of the goals of yesterday. This would jive with the results of few israelis harmed, but many 1000's of victims in the places they've attacked.

      Another factor that's changed is israel owns the usa now. Their control was not complete in 1967 or 1973. In corporate-speak, they had majority interests then, but not controlling interests. Now they have impunity as far as the usa is concerned. Fanatics with impunity don't need to worry about their effectiveness as much, since they don't have to answer to anyone. This creates laziness in thinking. In military terms, it takes the edge off. The americans will back them up if they blunder, so it wont be the end. Sort of like the rich son using dad's money to run his company. He messes up, dad will come to the rescue, so he puts less effort into it.

      Finally, israeli "brilliance" is one of the most persistent goebbelsian lies around. That brilliance exists only in propaganda. The reality is israelis are abject cowards. They attack weaker foes and make sure they are attacking from a superior position with superior numbers. This they learned from the German blitzkrieg tactics. A persistent myth about German blitzkrieg is that the Germans won against large odds in those early WW2 battles. That's not true. The Germans won because they concentrated greater numbers in the regions they attacked than their opponents had in those regions. The israelis use this tactic. There is nothing particularly brilliant about it. If you're the attacker, you have the luxury to chose where and when you will strike. Your opponent doesn't usually have that luxury, they have to stretch their forces out to cover all possibilities. Unless they know exactly where they will be attacked and when. Then they can concentrate their forces there. Anyway, I'm rambling here, but in short, the israelis are nothing special and never were. It's a myth.

  • Rep. Sherman: prosecute U.S. citizens involved with Gaza flotilla
    • "Rep. Sherman: prosecute U.S. citizens involved with Gaza flotilla"

      I say prosecute this sherman quisling for treason. And since israel considers itself literally to be at war with every country in the world, including the usa, the country of the people this sherman quisling is supposed to be representing, make that prosecution for treason and aiding the enemy in time of war. And if he doesn't hang for that, then go after him for all the other war crimes he's been committing.

  • Burying Gaza, Frank and Matthews remember the good old days fightin apartheid
    • Not really on topic to this article, but it's not on topic with any others recently posted, either, that I could see. Revealing info of off shore gas deposits off israel and Gaza.

      Israel : Tel Aviv Stock Exchange romps ahead on news of exploitation of off-shore Natural Gas

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      Sea blockade of Gaza was “temporary” – 15 years ago

      By Stuart Littlewood

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      Under the section called "A very bad smell".

    • Well, ole barney is proud of overriding a raygun veto on apartheid South African sanctions. Let's see how proud he is when the public overrides his veto on israeli sanctions, as the BDS movement is slowly, but surely doing.

  • Can the Israeli government kill Americans with impunity?
    • I had wondered why such a discrepancy in the number of people murdered and wounded. I'm still waiting to hear that everybody alive has been released and the murdered are all accounted for. I have not heard that yet.

    • Detailed Compiled Eyewitness Accounts Confirm Cold-Blooded Murder and Executions by Israeli Military

      by Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya

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      At the bottom of the piece, he also gathered up many links to survivor accounts of the israeli terrorist pirate attack. A couple dozen different accounts from interviews published around the world. What these people describe is pure barbarism on the part of the israelis.

    • "Can the Israeli government kill Americans with impunity?"

      Depends how many they kill, and who they kill. If they off an oligarch, there might be a gang war. ;D

      Furkan Dogan was obviously the victim of a hit. When the mossad hit someone, with a gun, they are taught to empty a magazine into the victim, minus a couple of rounds for any bystanders who might become a problem. The israeli military death squads are probably taught the same thing. There was a story going around that an israeli hit list was lost by an israeli soldier attacking and found by the Turks. Seems questionable given questions about how it could have been forwarded from the convoy once the israelis took over. It is quite clear the israelis did intend to kill people from the outset, whether there was a hit list or not, though.

  • Israel is becoming a liability for the United States
    • Dagan is mossad.

      "By deception, we will wage war" or something like that.

      I'm reminded of the israeli radio show programme snippet that has made the rounds over the years where sharon says something like "don't worry about what america thinks, we own them, they'll think what we tell them to"

      And peres responded (I paraphrase) : "ssshhh, that kind of honesty could create problems for us in america, if americans hear about us talking this way"

      I think dagan is using code phrases that really mean israel should lay low for a while, not do anything, till this "bad press" fades. Perhaps a switch in figurehead too, since nutlessyahoo is is getting israel a lot of "bad press".

      Will america break its zionist chains any time soon? Despite the grumbling in some "inner circles" that's been reported, I doubt it. The bond is very deep and so are the mutual interests between zionist leaning oligarchs and the rest of the oligarchy. Breaking those chains will have to be done at a grassroots level and at great personal risk once people start making serious progress.

  • Netanyahu now under siege by American Zionists, including Wieseltier
    • "Is it possible the narrative is hurting more than it's helping? And if so, what might a new narrative be?"

      The problem I have with this is they are still concerned about the pr, not stopping the ongoing crimes the pr is designed shield.

  • ‘Mad dog’ diplomacy: A cornered Israel is baring its teeth
    • Besides all the other reasons why the israelis did this crime - get back at Turkey for recent Iran-Turkey positive relations, deter future attempts to break the blockade - the attack on the Turks, as it does seem they were singled out for the worst of it, was to give the Turkish leadership a black eye in the eyes of their political party and perhaps create an internal rift. I've read of other zionist political machinations that were strategised to do similar clever disruptions of their opponents. See:

      Israel military ties threaten AKP support as Islamists call for stronger reaction

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      The Turkish leadership is limited in what they can do immediately since Turkey is a democracy and not an authoritarian guv where the leadership can make major policy changes overnight. Since they are limited, this is bound to create problems with those who want immediate action, but don't realise their leaders cant give them all what they want right now for other reasons than that the leadership is being "soft on israel". I'm writing this in a hurry, since I got to get back to work, so I hope I didn't garble the point intended.

  • 'Don't tangle with us' is the message, 2/3 of Israelis say
  • Were Israeli photos of flotilla 'weapons' faked?

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