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  • Let's talk about Russian influence
    • Let's cut and paste our previous posts and complain endlessly about a small country that has little influence on world affairs, instead of my friends the Russians, the world's largest country with a population of 143m people that has the world's second largest nuclear arsenal, runs an antisemitic TV statiom, RT, that features Holocaust deniers, and is allied with Iran, a US enemy that is a chief state sponsor of terrorism.

      Clearly, the tiny state of Israel is more important than our Cold War and increasingly, our current enemy, Russia.

      Clearly, it's important for BDS activists to stand with Bashar al-Assad, continuing the tradition of standing up for genocidal dictators so long as they're opposed to Israel or the United States or both. Clearly, it's important to stand with Putin, another dictator, who killed tens of thousands of Muslims in Chechnya, acquiesced in the killing of hundreds of thousands more in Bosnia and Kosovo, and currently engaged in the killing of hundreds of thousands right now in Syria.

      But let's talk about Israel.

  • The omnipresent hawks-in-waiting of the Clinton administration
    • Funny how you can't just admit the truth - you stand with the butcher Bashar al-Assad.

      I guess it's ok when Muslims die, as long as they're murdered en masse by other Muslims.

  • Jill Stein defends BDS in CNN town hall
    • Sure Saudi citizens have a say. They could revolt. There's been plenty of polling. Most Saudi citizens fully support the racist, misogynistic policies of their regime.

    • And, yet another link to Rense, the Holocaust denial website.

      But it's anti-Zionism, not antisemitism, folks.

    • LOL. You're a joke, Citizen, just like this ridiculous antisemitic article. Yeah, Afghanistan and Iraq are "Zionist" wars and Zionists "subvert" America. It's anti-Zionism, folks, not antisemitism.

    • LOL. You mean Iraq? Here, here.

    • It's completely right. And you know it. Israel's a democracy. It's much easier to be an activist there than it is in places like Egypt or Saudi.

    • She's clueless. No one in the activist community is spending the time on Saudi Arabia and Egypt that they're spending on Israel.

      No one is talking about Egyptian and Saudi violations of human rights or international law.

  • The politics of Jewish ethnocentrism
    • "It’s time to let Judaism fall apart psychologically as a failed psychological paradigm which forces narcissistic defenses in the children - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net"

      Did the moderator actually let this antisemitic comment through?

      Must be anti-Zionist, right? What BS...

  • The breathtaking arrogance of Alan Dershowitz's 'advice' to Black Lives Matter
    • "Those of us that support Black Lives Matter are not particularly interested in anything that he—a serial bully, and heedless flinger of hurtful and grotesquely exaggerated epithets, sycophant to the rich and powerful and arch-apologist for Israel’s long and constant history of ethnic cleansing—says to us. "

      Be honest, Thomas. It has nothing to do with Alan's personality or history. You're not interested in any perspective that differs from your own.

  • Beinart calls anti-Zionists 'revolutionaries'
    • Marnie says, bizarrely, that because a nut stabbed people at a gay pride parade - a gay pride parade the that is held every year - Israel isn't gay-friendly. Great example of how you apply a special standard to Israel. Let me know when that first gay pride parade is held in Mecca. Or Cairo. Or Amman. Or Enable. Heck, let me know when ten gay people have a public meeting in one of these places.

      And Marnie, I do know a number of gay Israelis from across the political spectrum. All feel that Israel is a place where gay people can live freely and openly.

      As non-haters of Israel know, Israel is by far the most gender equal country in the Middle East, and one of the most gender-equal countries in the world.

      Marnie, you're very full of hate.

    • You're blaming the occupation for the failure of Palestinian society to integrate its women? What excuse are you using for the rest of the Middle East?

    • The Palestinians have plenty of weapons, which they've turned on the Israelis before, and they have plenty of well-armed benefactors in the regions who will willingness give them weapons, like Iran.

    • "when you know damn well gay palestinians are targeted for collaboration because they are gay"

      LOL. The only reason they're able to be targeted is because they face persecution in their own society. Here's a great idea: advocate civil rights protections in Palestinian society and say you'll boycott the Palestinians until they institute full gender and sexual equality, and then, at least according to your theory on the effectiveness of boycotts, the Israelis will have no one to target for collaboration.

      "and palestinian women are as fully integrated into palestinian society as jewish women are in israeli society."

      Based on what? According to the UNDP, in 2012, the female/male labor participation rate in Israel is around 84%, 19th in the world. In Palestine it's around 23%, good for 107th. link to hdr.undp.org

    • I think the label is silly. I don't see either group as revolutionary. BLM may have its radical wing, but I don't think that radical wing has majority support among people who identify with BLM. BDS supporters are not revolutionaries in any sense. They're often reactionaries, actually.

    • OK, Annie. Can you name another state in the region that is either liberal or democratic today? What's their excuse? Can you name another state in the region where there are comprehensive civil liberties protections, where gay people can live openly without fear, where women are fully integrated into the society and serve as its leaders, etc?

    • 1. It is not. The two-state solution has its basis in UNSC 242, a Chapter 7 resolution. Resolution 194 is a GA resolution and is non-binding.

      2. Here's the UN's partition plan map. The plan envisaged a Jewish state and an Arab state. That's what the UN envisaged. Two states, one for Jews, and one for Arabs.

      link to en.wikipedia.org

    • Your analogy with the 1850 compromise is an argument against a one-state solution, not a two-state solution. Just as the solution of combining within the same country the slave-owning South and the free North was ultimately unworkable and led to a bloodbath, a one-state solution would combine Israel, a liberal democratic state, and Palestine, a polity that is anything but liberal and democratic, would be unworkable and lead to a bloodbath.

    • There is nothing loaded about that charge. Kristian David Bailey himself went out of his way to describe BLM as a radical movement on Al Jazeera the other day, and anyone who read the M4BL platform could not possibly say with a straight face that BLM is just about "synchroniz[ing] police behavior within a legal system that already exists."

      The same is true for the anti-Zionists, who have endorsed the radical M4BL platform.

  • Chosen indeed: all 7 letters run by 'NYT' on Mideast article are by Jews
    • I spelled it wrong in six comments. Thanks, Keith, for correcting me. Unfortunately, your errors go way beyond spelling.

    • Oh please. There's one reason, and one reason only, why this happens. It happens when there are few letters from non-Jews. There are non-Jewish voices heard in the Times on this issue all the time.

      This post amounts to a conspiracy theory.

    • You have no clue what a modern campus is like if you think that antisemitism is perceived as the only important form of bigotry. It is exactly the opposite. It is rejected at every turn as a legitimate form of bigotry because Jews are perceived as white victims and because groups like SJP have cynically used campus racial strife to portray Jews as white and Palestinians as people of color, when neither is true.

  • Hundreds of Jews march for 'Black Lives Matter' in New York
  • Israeli settler leader, rejected by Brazil, gets warm welcome in New York
  • Sanders-backed candidate in FL says Wasserman Schultz won't 'protect' Israel
    • "Law professor Tim Canova, a 56-year-old Jew "

      Again referring to the religion of the candidate, and this time, it's not accurate. You're a pretty weak journalist, Phil, and a pretty weak human being too.

  • Black Lives Matter will defeat the Israel lobby (because the lobby can't debate reality)
    • You're very fanciful, Yakov. And very self-righteous and nasty. Nobody could possibly believe in BLM except on M4BL's terms. What BS.

      The price of this stupid, unfocused, retrograde platform, which ignores most of the challenges people of color face throughout the world, but lays on the leftist sloganeering, is that M4BL will hurt their ability to get anything done. They'll be like Occupy Wall Street, a lot of kids with anger and without a real program.

  • Jewish organizations' response to Black Lives Matter platform demonstrates inability to engage with reality in Israel
  • Israel lobby panics about 'spoiled' next generation of American leaders turning against it
    • JVP may well be the fastest growing organization on campus that has "Jewish" in its name. Whether there's anything Jewish about it is another question. It seems like basically a fig leaf for anti-Israel activists to say nasty things about Jews, which JVP Jews then validate, much like Jewish converts to Christianity validated Church antisemitism a few hundred years ago. There is literally nothing that JVP won't validate. They couldn't even bring themselves to issue criticism of Joy Karega, the Oberlin prof who posted antisemitic conspiracy theories about the Rothschilds on Facebook and blamed Israel for 9/11, and then refused to apology for it. They are the embodiment of the South Park joke about antisemitic Jews who support Haman. See the Jewbilee episode.

      Any rational analysis must conclude that JVP is ultimately inconsequential. Most Jews on campus join no organization. Most of those that do will join other organizations before they'll join JVP. And in terms of growth and clout, young Orthodox Jews are far outpacing JVP Jews.

  • Former AIPAC official says Israel should get no US aid without ending 'oppressive' settlements
  • Anti-occupation activists stand with Black Lives Matter as Jewish orgs attack movement over Israel criticisms
    • Is this a platform for BLM or a platform for some groups associated with BLM? Everyone seems to be conflating the two, even though major BLM leaders like Deray McKesson aren't part of it.

  • The 'New York Times' is dead set on marginalizing Jewish anti-Zionism
    • Did you get turned down for a job at the Times by a Jewish editor? I can't think of another reason for your ridiculous, racist-tinged critiques of the Times.

  • Meet the Palestinian volunteers on the frontline of Europe's refugee crisis
    • Lol. Israaid is one of the most active refugee aid organizations in the region. Just curious; do refugees want to come to Israel?

  • Clintonites knocked out platform references to 'occupation' and 'settlements' in fear of Adelson, Zogby says
    • Once again, a poll on whether a boycott is a legitimate tool is not at all the same thing as a poll supporting a boycott. According to the last poll like this, where you played up the result that a third of Americans saw a boycott as a legitimate tool, you ignored, of course, the finding that the vast majority of Americans found the idea of boycotting Israel to be antisemitic.

  • The sensitive Zionist -- a review of Natalie Portman's new film
    • Do you? I don't think that you do. I think that you view the Holocaust as a nuisance, and something that you'd rather not be reminded of.

  • Clintonites on message: Vote for Trump, and you get Putin
    • Another Mondoweissers supports an "America First" policy without any sense of irony. See what you're creating here, Phil?

    • Cue the Putin supporters. See, it's the West's fault that Ukrainians went out into the street to protest their pro-Putin leader. We should just let Russia retake Ukraine and re-establish the Soviet Union. That's clearly what you pine for. You stand for Assad as well.

      And you wonder why I laugh at you people when you claim to be "human rights activists."

    • I have little doubt that Phil supports dismantling NATO. Most on the radical left see NATO as an extension of American imperial power. Since the Cold War ended (and the radical left lost its ideological moorings), they've always taken Russia's side on this question; they opposed NATO intervention in Bosnia and Serbia (and were perfectly fine with letting a million Muslims die) and they're doing the same thing now by supporting the appeasement of Vladimir Putin. They also adopted his claim of Western "interference" in Ukraine and Georgia (read: they kept me from taking them over without opposition).

      The honest commentators here won't deny these positions. Between a world where America is a unipolar power and a multipolar one where Russia represses democracy throughout the FSU but serves to check Western power, they'll choose the latter, because they are not (and have never been) strong supporters of liberal democracy or democratic values elsewhere in the world, which they see as being the same as advancing Western imperialism.

    • I think that leftists have a bad track record when it comes to apologizing for Russia. And when it comes to apologizing for antisemitism.

  • Bible justifies rape in times of war, despite rabbis' efforts to spin or hide the teaching
    • I have no doubt that you find it highly relevant, Keith. And as usual, in a world where there are many, many scholars of Judaism, you continue to cite Israel Shahak, who was neither a scholar of Judaism nor a well-regarded author on the subject. We all know why. He says the nasty things for you.

    • Jonathan, do you really think that the readers at Mondoweiss care about the subtleties of this exegesis? this is your message, take it to the Orthodox community.

      I think you're doing to Jews exactly what Islamophobes do Muslims; you're suggesting that Orthodox Jews are fundamentally dishonest, and you're doing this in a forum already predisposed to believe the worst about Jews.

      That's pretty weak.

  • 'NYT' editors twist themselves into knots not to say the word 'Jewish'
    • Print it, Mooser. I'm proud of it, and it's true. That's why you obsessively link to it. Or drop the court jester act and tell me what part is wrong. The Middle East is a mess. Is it the fault of Israel? Is it the fault of the Jews? The owner of the Times is a secular assimilated Jew. Maybe it's his fault.

      Or is it because these societies are seriously ill, and, because some of them are fabulously wealthy, they export their illnesses elsewhere? And why is it that the radical left, whose compatriots are often the victims of these ill societies, apologize for them, remain silent, or adopt their diversionary tactic of blaming Israel for their problems?

    • Apparently, Phil is content to let the white supremacists answer for him.

    • Why is it necessary to repeat again and again the religion of the owner of the Times? What is the purpose? There's no evidence that it has anything to do with the Times' coverage of Israel anymore than Rupert Murdoch's Christianity has to do with the New York Post or Wall Street Journal's coverage.

      I'd like an explanation of that. C'mon, Phil, stop hiding behind your sycophants.

    • It is. Look at this piece, and all of the others in which Phil notes that the owner of the Times is Jewish, and suggests that it's not possible for Jews to cover the Middle East objectively. I've never seen him suggest that Christians cannot cover Europe objectively or that Muslims cannot cover the Middle East objectively.

  • Israeli rabbi who advocated rape of 'comely gentile women' during war becomes chief army rabbi
    • Mooser, that isn't remotely what I said, and you're being a super-jerk.

    • I think fake stories like this, which intentionally distort something a religious leader says in order to make it seem as if he means something that he doesn't, play into the Judaeophobic attitudes of people who want to believe the worst about Jews and Israelis in the exactly the same way as those who use decontextualized quotes from Islamic clerics or from the Qu'ran do so to smear Muslims and Islam.

      The passage in Deutoromony doesn't directly discuss rape; it's implied. It discusses what happens when a women is captured. In ancient cultures, that woman was usually enslaved. The Torah forces the captor to marry the woman or to release her. The thirty day period is for the woman to mourn her parents. Rashi, quoting the Midrash, suggested that the idea was that if she cried for 30 days, the captor, initially attracted by her appearance, would be repulsed by her appearance and release her.

      In the context of the time, the idea of not enslaving captive women against their will was progress.

      Jon S has a good answer to your question about Jews and assimilation. It was common in the ancient world for capturing armies to take women captive. Since Jews were sovereigns for a very short time in history, I doubt it happened very often, and it certainly would not have happened in Europe, because Jews were not sovereign in Europe.

    • Not sure what your deal is, Jonathan, but I'm guessing you're secular. If you knew the passage in question, you'd understand why Rabbi Qarim would talk about marriage. At the time of the Torah, it was common for soldiers to take enemy women captive and to then take them as wives. This was a practice the Torah frowned upon, precisely because the assumption was that the captive woman had been forced into the relationship.

      For that reason, the Torah decrees that a man who takes a woman captive must wait at least 30 days before marrying her, in the hope that he'll see the error of his ways and let her go.

      It is clear that Qarim is talking about the Torah here, and not about modern practice, and for anyone to claim otherwise is simply a complete lie.

  • As Dems vote against Palestine, Cornel West warns it is the 'Vietnam War' of our time
    • You're absolutely right, Blaine. Now, perhaps you can admit that the idea that BDS is Palestinian-led is a bit silly.

    • Yeah, Henry, I'm sure you'll do great calling out Barbara Lee for being insufficiently progressive. #fringeelement

    • "No, it’s the moral response to the moral outrage that is the creation of the Zionist state, one of the great crimes of the 20th Century. "

      It says a lot about you that in a Century that featured the Holocaust, the Killing Fields, Soviet repression, and countless other atrocities, you view the founding of a Jewish state as one of the great crimes of the 20th Century.

      "There was a time when it was only leveled against someone who just plain disliked or hated Jews."

      Actually, antisemitism is a philosophy that opposes the influence of Jews and Jewish culture in society. It's completely apropos to describe the paranoia that leads people to worry about the influence of Jews in secular society, or to put it as Keith does, "the Judaization of the elite," because, you see, when Jews are in a position of power, they're in a position of power as Jews, their influence is "Jewish," and they act in their own interest, rather than the interest of the countries they inhabit. That's how that philosophy goes.

      Some people here may find Keith's bluntness a step too far, but he really does a very good job at doing what Phil does in a less nice and even more offensive way. He takes the euphemisms out.

      "I am actually quite proud that you once labeled something I wrote antisemitic."

      I'm sure you are. I'm sure that you feel quite ennobled when you think you're in the right and someone else calls you on your bias and privilege.

      "When your JSIL experiment has run its bloody course I will be proud to point to that if anyone asks me how I stood on this issue."

      I certainly expect that you will, whether Jews are massacred in the process or not.

    • Replace BDS with Nazi, and Phyllis Benni's could have written the same article.

      Big kisses are always cast as victories among radical, who needs to tell themselves these things to keep the charade going.

      But their movement remains a moral outrage that most Americans view as antisemitic.

  • How Israel accidentally validated my activism
  • Jewish entitlement, and Jewish populism
    • How about the Aboriginization of the Australian Elite? You need an explanation for that as well?

    • You really need an explanation for why the phrase "the Islamicization of the Imperial elite" is Islamophobic?

    • Even Phil, who writes about the proliferation of Jews in the Establishment, can, I think understand the obviously bigotry engendered in a term like Judaization of the elite, much as his writing seems like a dog whistle for bigots like Keith.

    • Keith was permitted to write about the "Judaization of the imperial elite" on a site that supposedly does not allow antisemitism.

      The moderators here must be very confused people

      Disgusting.

  • Israel's political crisis wouldn't be happening if not for violent Palestinian resistance
  • Elie Wiesel is Dead
  • Netanyahu's bloody incitement
    • That Iran is one of the world's most closed societies and persecutes minorities, so you have to take what official Jewish leaders in Iran say with a grain of salt?

    • One wonders what would happen if people didn't make stupid, offensive analogies.

      G-d bless.

  • Michael Oren, historian, gets US history wrong to score a propaganda point
  • Palestinian teen is killed after allegedly killing 13-year-old Jewish girl in settlement
    • "How about setting fire to a home while the family was sleeping inside, killing a baby and his entire family, and later celebrating that death at a wedding, pretending to stab the picture of the dead baby?"

      Yeah, how about it? How did Israeli society react to it when it happened? Did they dance in the streets and hand out candy to children?

    • Actually, MrT, it wasn't as much about context and motive as it was about fact.

      No one, including the UN factfinding mission, has ever seriously suggested that the Israelis killed the four boys on the beach on purpose. Almost immediately, the Israelis took responsibility, described the incident as an "unfortunate human tragedy," and conducted an investigation. Israelis didn't celebrate the deaths of the four boys and didn't hand out candy in honor of the soldier who bombed the beach. I'm sure you'll say that the Israelis celebrate their soldiers and it amounts to the same thing. It doesn't. I don't begrudge the Palestinians their right to celebrate soldiers in their own society. I do take issue with their celebration of death cultists whose declared aim is to murder as many Israeli civilians as possible.

      So I don't see the comparison with a terrorist who enters a house, cuts the throat of a child, and becomes a hero to his society for doing so.

      Palestinians are burdened by small coterie of crazy Western activists who offer silly excuses and even condone this kind of thing by calling it resistance as a way of whitewashing the act itself. It severely hurts their cause in the West, even among those who sympathize with the Palestinians. Most of us can understand that the Palestinians deserve a state and some justice, but we cannot understand the motivation of someone who reacts to oppression by slitting childrens' throats and a society that reacts by celebrating acts like these. Annie prefers to ignore the difficult details of how these acts are treated in Palestinian society. Why should she confront it? She's a ceramics artist on the Left Coast and it's someone else's daughter who was just murdered. So, so easy to just identified with your adopted oppressed group and ignore the details.

      I personally think that the context you'd like to explain, which is that this an attack on a settlement, is bogus. Palestinian terrorists have killed plenty of Israeli children who live nowhere near a settlement.

    • With all due respect, nobody gives a rats ass about context and motive when the act is the stabbing of a sleeping preteen in her bed, and nobody believes that, if given the opportunity, the same perpetrator wouldn't have stabbed another preteen in Tel Aviv.

  • The view from Gaza: 'The Turkish government has sold us out and wants us to be grateful'
  • Clinton to Palestine: Drop dead
    • Because, you see, Yonah, when you talk about antisemitism, anti-Jewish bigots with guilt complexs take it as personal criticism. For them, mentioning antisemitism is the same as being anti-Gentile.

      And of course, Yonah, don't you know that there were Jewish communists? That means that there couldn't possibly have been Russian antisemitism. Or at least that if that was any, it was either the fault of the Jews or really Jew-on-Jew violence. And let me tell you, Yonah, these Jewish communists - even though they were atheists who suppressed the religion of their own people - they were Jews, and they must be highlighted as Jews, Yonah. What do you mean you've never heard Keith discuss the Eastern Orthodox religion of the vast majority of the Russians?

    • You appear to feel that because the writer mentioned the length, location, and nature of the antisemitism that Jews experienced, the writer is "anti-gentile."

      Whatever.

    • "Quite possibly true and not all that surprising considering Jewish Zionist influence on the doctrinal system in general and the media in particular."

      Typical antisemitic response from Keith. If it comes out his way, rest assured he'll celebrate the outcome. If it doesn't, he blames the Jews.

      Then he cites an article about antisemitism in a Seattle newspaper and calls it "anti-gentile," which is his term for any article that discusses antisemitism in historical perspective.

    • "Maybe try not lying to yourself, don’t get so upset, take a chill pill hops."

      I know you all love that video, but an afternoon convention crowd of die-hard party activists simply does not represent the majority of the party. As you can plainly see, the vast majority of the hall is empty. Honesty would require that you present the prime time videos from the same day, when the hall was packed, where Israel was mentioned repeatedly, and no one booed.

    • "source?"

      It's the same poll. 62% of those asked agreed the statement that "The movement to boycott Israel is a modern form of antisemitism because it seeks to harm the national homeland of the Jewish people."

      link to ipsos-na.com

      33% agree with statement "Boycotting Israel is justified." 24% say that they'd support actions that lead to boycotting Israel.

      81% of those polled define themselves as pro-Israel and 19% define themselves as anti-Israel.

      So I have no idea why the Democratic Party would endorse something that more than 3/4 of the country opposes in service of a cause than more than 4/5 of the country opposes, and slightly under 2/3 finds to amount to hate.

    • "She is a Zionist pawn" #noeuphemismshere

      "The Zionists have not given up on their dreams to destroy the Mullah regime and Clinton is their tool in this deadly endeavor."

      Clearly, no one else is against Iran, right? #excepttheentireSunniworld

      "She is not interested in the well-being of the man in the street because she is the servant of the military-industrial-financial-intelligence-congressional-media complex" #kitchensinkleftism

      "Forget about the politically meaningless platform and vote for the independent or the green candidate" #wasteyourvote

    • Oh the anger. The anger at finding out that you're not the mainstreamers that you think you are.

    • LOL. Why would the Democratic Party do that? 2/3 of the country thinks BDS is antisemitic. Why would the Democratic Party want to endorse a position that a supermajority thinks is hate speech?

    • "The us govt is bought and paid for and will forever be the bitch of the zionist enterprise."

      The Zionist enterprise controls everything right? #noeuphemismshere

      "In the end, they’ve been played on and the Palestinians are getting an all american F&#@ Y*@ from its next president."

      Maybe try not lying to yourselves about the amount of support your cause has and you won't be so upset when nothing happens.

  • Media accusations of blood libels -- against Abbas and Sanders -- amplify a Jewish tribal fantasy
    • "Seems a bit odd to call Hebrew the national language of the Jews when many Jews do not speak it, but do speak the national languages of the nations they live in and of which they are citizens."

      Will it be odd to call Arabic the national language of the Palestinians, even though Palestinian-Americans speak English?

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