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I am a retired signwriter and ex serviceman who took time to investigate the truth about Israel after being disgusted by Israeli tactics during Cast Lead. I successfully ran the biggest Palestinian State thread on YahooNZ until they closed the entire message boards there. We had three archived volumes and frequently came under Zionist

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  • ADL took US cops to Israeli prison, occupied Hebron and settler winery during counter-terror seminar
    • Real People don't make weak attempts to cover up another Governments criminality Hophmi. You do know the Occupation of Palestinian Land is illegal as are settlements don't you Hophmi. You are rapidly losing traction with your simplistic and extremely thin protestations....but I understand you are scratching for defenses these days. Israel is getting harder and harder to defend isn't it?

  • 'Democracy' and 'terrorism' and the parameters of thinkable thought
    • Kay24 and eljay......all very disappointing really but I think with Obama we saw publically for the first time how a President seeking compliance from Israel and wanting to put things right can so quickly be shut down by the Zionists. Frighteningly quick and Obama had to sit on his chuff and do nothing when Netanyahu et al hurled insults. How humiliating is that? The only thing that can turn this around quickly is by mobilizing the American public against it. I would put money on the fact the majority don't support what is going on.

    • Choosing the ramblings of a corrupted Zionist supporter is always beaten by the thoughts of an educated Harvard professor who as part of his training would have been taught to look at things objectively.

    • Collaborator fits Froggy. He amended his position for selfish reasons and ignored the plight of the Palestinians under the Zionist Jackboot. Had he not done so he could not have continued to live in a manner he was rapidly drawn to out of selfish motivations.

    • When Obama first came into power he made definite moves to push Israel to leaving Palestinian Territory and ending the Occupation. After his Cairo Speech which put Israel on notice he disappeared for about a fortnight. When he reappeared he was talking by the Zionist rule book. I would like an honest explaination from Obama about what happened to him after the Cairo Speech and what pressure was put on him to cease pressuring Israel and why he made such an about face.

  • Let's talk about Russian influence
    • What part of the documentation does Hophmi and Yonah not particular the lead Israeli plane that identified it clearly as an American ship and refused to carry out the order to attack. Why did he refuse to attack Yonah? Hophmi? Because he identified it as a friendly vessel which you don't drop bombs on,shoot at or kill the crew of. All the latter actions require visual sighting and conscious error involved. Deliberate thought through mistake made. The lowest blow an ally can commit.....Betrayal.

    • Certainly was Krauss and it's high time the covers were torn off what Israel is actually doing to America. The American people deserve an explaination from all the politicians in their government that collaborate with Israel to bring about the demise of America. Clinton included.

    • It is no surprise hophmi is first of the rank when his sweet and innocent Israel is spoken about truthfully. Really get's him squirming in his seat. Truth hurts. What Israel engages in is purely and simply called subterfuge. It actively works at undermining the American Government and relieves it of as much finance as it can for a smaller cash outlay. It's soul purpose is to get Americans and British people to die fighting its wars to destabilise the Middle East so it can retain control and continue stealing land. If that makes Hophmi proud then it says a lot and nothing Hophmi says can defend what Israel is doing or has done. It serves only to prove further the illegitimacy of Israel and the serious threat it has become to is sending America broke.

  • Scottish football fans raise over 100,000 pounds for Palestine following flag controversy
    • That bewilders me too. I would have expected them to refuse to play in Israel.

    • The Israeli's are now concerned about Palestinian flags being flown at the match in Israel and Israel Authorities have said it won't be tolerated. Interesting times....especially when you challenge a

  • A French, a Palestinian, and a black woman all wade into a pool
    • Mods and rockers were about in my day and teddy boys. My sister went out with the leader of the Basildon What I meant by culture was fundamentally England has been a Christian Society and still largely functions as one re dress etc. I don't think other cultures should impose their religion on anyone and that is in keeping with the UN Human Rights Act.

    • I agree Kay24.....that action is wrong in so many ways. She should have been accorded respectful treatment not humiliation. That action is akin to what Israeli's would do. I don't support that at all.

    • As I understand it from the press it is about them imposing a religious presence on french society when french see religion as a private matter as I do also. I grew up in England at the time the colour bar was lifted and saw the problems of new cultures not wanting to fit in to the local culture but more wanting to impose their culture on local inhabitants. Its a recipe for disaster from my observations. There is an argument for new arrivals to respect and fit into local culture. I have also see it argued in the press that Burquas, Burqinis etc is about controlling what women wear. I have two sisters and would never dream of attempting to demand they dress a certain way. A woman has exactly the same rights as I do. Maintaining a nations culture is maintaining its identity. If England switched to another cultures identity it would not be England anymore and would have lost its culture. My take is French see it the same way.

    • In New Zealand Muslims tried to get laws changed to allow women to wear a burqa for drivers licence photos. Of course it failed given the law requires the licence holders face to be clearly visible for identification purposes. Religion and culture certainly deserves respect and when you move to another land there is a requirement to respect the dominant culture of your new home or why move there. Iran etc expect their culture to be respected and laws of their culture to be respected. There should be no difference wherever you go. Respect the culture of the nation you choose to live in. There is no requirement for a foreign nation to adapt to another culture which is foreign to it.

  • I can't stop looking at these great Gawker posts about the Middle East
    • What I would like to hear is Obama give a speech justifying why America gave Israel the F35's so they could use the latest technology to blitz unarmed ,trapped Palestinians in Gaza. It highlights the absolute cowardice and insanity of Israeli's. It highlights also the moral bankruptcy of the Israel bought American Government. People Like Clinton, Ros-Lehtinen ,Cuomo et al. The American peoples character gets dragged through the mud to please sicko Israeli's and their Supremacist Cowardly State. I am deeply concerned and feel it does not assist the peace process....pffffft!

  • A new milestone: BDS at the Olympics
    • State of the art weaponry gifted by America to commit genocide. Defenceless Gazan's rightfully opposing an illegal occupation slaughtered by cowardly pilots.

    • A handshake is a mark of respect and a sign of friendship. Israel's actions in Palestine garner neither. I have refused to shake hands with a number of people over the years for precisely that reason. I do not validate people who do not conduct themselves respectfully.

    • Yes Kay24....fifty strikes in Gaza for one rocket that hit nothing. Another stark example of Israeli overkill and an intent to commit genocide in Gaza. No media outcry. Proof that Zionism has gagged it. All we can do here is continue to be outspoken. Rattle the cage for all its worth and do our best to embarass those Governments that claim to stand for freedom. I am glad my father is not alive to see this. It is not what he or his generation fought for during WW2. To see a nation so close to what Germany in WW2 stood for being shielded by nations like America and UK is a dangerous precedent and given that taxpayers in both thos countries are worse off due to the billions their governments give to that nation to continue its genocide and suffering needs more that words like "deplorable", "unhelpful". History will look back on this like it did the Chamberlain speech. No politician in US or UK can hold their heads up. They have the capacity to stop Israel and its illegitimate policies now. They have the opportunity to honour those who gave their lives in WW2 in defence of freedom. Never again means never again yet they are helping it to unfold yet again. The World is being held to ransom and ridicule by a pip squeak nation called Israel.

  • After Palestinian takes gold in Rio for Jordan, Israelis claim his roots are 'Israeli'
    • Dunno what's with that has bemused me for some time. It's like a constant search for reaffirmation that they are wanted or needed. Poor wee souls.

    • Watch Haaretz Annie....any notable Music star who dies or any famous icon who passes....within an hour Haaretz posts an article showing some flimsy connection to Judaism. It is like they have to grasp at any opportunity to prove to themselves they are worthy because they are so burdened with the guilt of what they have done or are doing in Palestine. Sickening.

  • Dershowitz will play Trump in Clinton's debate rehearsal, WNYC reports
    • The preventable deaths were those people from America who needlessly died fighting wars that were in Israel's interest not Americas. AIPAC and Clinton supported the Iraq War and pushed it to happen because Israel said to. Other Politicians in America in the pay of AIPAC or other Pro Israel people like Saban and Adelson pushed for it. These people are nothing more than agents of Israel undermining the American Government. Trillions of dollars going to Israel to fund an illegitimate regime administering illegitimate policies. It was a real source honest....what you saw made you squirm because Zionists like you cannot handle your truth and like to keep it hushed up.

    • Jon66. I shall stop you making a fool out of yourself as you regularly do. Citizen has left two links on different threads, both of which you have been on, that answers the question you repetitively ask. Just so you are aware the first time Citizen made the statement he included a link. Open your eyes.

    • It can only undermine Hilary's campaign by associating herself with someone as vile and contemptable as Dershowitz....even a rubbish bin would not associate itself with him.

  • The omnipresent hawks-in-waiting of the Clinton administration
    • I agree with you oldgeezer. Problem with sufferers of Ziocaine addiction like Hophmi et al is they are incapable of looking at what they support and cause by their support. This following article link will make Israel's crimes plain and this is the result of Israeli actions on one child. Be warned it is not a pretty site but one that needs to be seen and read........

  • The Palestine-Israel language trap
    • So.....just thinking out loud here.....when silamcuz says great minds think alike is he saying he has two brains? Maybe one is lost and the other is out trying to find it.

    • Some people never know when to throw the shovel away. They are unaware of how deep a hole they have dug or that they are in fact from that point burying themselves. Astounding skill.

    • Avigail, when those opposing your view have nothing more than personal attacks to offer we can conclude they have lost the argument. I for one am glad of your contribution to this forum and hope you visit more often. What you bring is sound clarity and knowledgeable truth. It is that truth that makes Zionists squirm because it cannot be attacked. My very best wishes to you and please do not be a stranger....visit here often:)

    • Xanadou...some time back I read a speech Theodor Herzl made where he encouraged Jewish people to create anti semitism as it was a useful tool in making them victims and would therefore garner sympathy for their cause. He was correct in that assumption because after WW2 the Jewish people were looked upon as hapless victims of the German war machine. It was that victimhood and sympathy that has largely led to Israel's formation and other nations allowing a blind eye to be turned away from Israeli crimes. It is the single most contributor to Israel's ongoing impunity. The victim card silences most political opposition because no-one wants to be seen as picking on Jewish People. It has become a well worn cloak Zionism uses to conduct its nefarious activities to the point that anti semitism has more or less been rendered useless as a term and the victim card has been worn out as the attrocities become less and less defensible. Zionism and its actions in Israel has destroyed any sympathy the Jewish people had and has become a threat to the survival of all Jewish people as Zionism and its compounding dysfunction has become more and more in its appearance like Nazi Germany WW2. For there to be a safe future for the Jewish people Zionism has to be outlawed and shunned. Judaism has to be allowed to reconnect with its original humanitarian roots of empathy and compassion with Supremacy totally dumped. We as a World are many different peoples with differing beliefs. The one main motivator for peace is knowledge. Our combined knowledge as the species we are. Human beings. Zionism works in no-ones best interest.

    • I work a lot within the addiction field and have done for nineteen years now. Those that do not go on to abuse are still caught up in the Don't Talk, Don't Trust, Don't Feel rules of dysfunction and collude with the ongoing problem by detachment and silence. They become immobilized by fear and carry on ignoring the abuse....never happened mindset.

    • echinococcus yor statement sums it up and is my view also. The UN had no mandate to carve up Sovereign territory against the wishes of the indigenous majority. It is the responsibility of the UN, UK and US who pushed the Partition Plan after the most aggressive lobbying ever seen in the UN committed by Zionists which included death threats, to fix the problem they created.

    • I concur and agree with you xanadou.

    • In simple terms Avigail, what you are saying is Israel is in denial. A failure by them to live life on lifes terms and to take responsibility for their own actions. A lack of self reflection and and a persistence in the blame game. Nothing is their fault, they can do no wrong. Classic dysfunction.

    • would appear to many outsiders that the Zionists have set themselves a known Mission Impossible knowing it will end in a calamitous finale for themselves.Those that survive will be ostracised by main stream society due to the nature of their crimes. Quite a waste of time and energy and money that could have been spent productively had they had some humility and graciousness toward the gift of land they were given. All they had to do was stay within their declared borders.

    • Avigail, it has always been my theory that given the settlers in Palestine were survivors of the Holocaust mainly from Occupied Europe and had at the most been incarcerated in camps or at the least suffered extreme persecution, it follows many of these people would have suffered PTSD and other mental issues surrounding the trauma they were subjected to. To my knowledge like other WW2 military personnel they basically were left to their own ends on how to deal with the issues and never had professional help. This being the case, like any dysfunction, it follows that if unaddressed it compounds generation by generation with each new generation adding their own complications to the problem. Israeli's seem to be preoccupied decades later still with persecution and paranoia. It seems still fresh in their minds which to me points to unhealthy dysfunction caused by the past that was and has never been addressed. Plus a hallmark of abused people is they go on to be abusers, as in Israel's treatment of Arabs and their land. Israeli's are subjecting Palestinians to treatment Jews were subjected to decades ago with alarming similarity.

    • Oh and DaBakr....I judge people based on their behaviour toward myself and others not on their beliefs or race ,colour or creed.

    • DaBakr, do you not think Israel has done enough to delegitimize itself by breaking International Law so many times,by acting criminally outside its borders, by breaching the Fourth Geneva Convention and also by failing to keep to its signed agreements like Resolution 181. The very fact Israel treats Palestinians in a manner that,Jews, themselves found distasteful and detestable and unacceptable and which ,Jews, themselves demanded Justice over ,delegitimizes Israel megafold does it not? Arabs or Palestinians need not do anything as Israeli actions delegitimize Israel need for input from anyone else.

    • Dore Gold has issued a directive banning Foreign Ministry workers from holding contacts with Israeli Journalists.......tightening up the information black out..........

  • Jill Stein defends BDS in CNN town hall
    • pray tell can a nation that has separate laws for Jews and Arabs be a democracy.....smells more like Apartheid to everyone else.

    • This says it all Kay24....from the same article......If Israel were using these funds for a good purpose, one could debate whether the price was worth it. But Israel uses most of the money to prolong a 45-year military occupation (which regularly involves gross violations of international law),[49] commit egregious human rights violations,[50] and destroy billions of dollars worth of Palestinian homes and infrastructure[51] (resulting in still more U.S. tax money being sent to Palestinians to rebuild demolished homes, hospitals, and schools), while building illegal Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian land.[52]

      It makes the prospect of peace ever more distant, creates dangerous hostility to the US, placing Americans in peril, and puts the US Congress in violation of the Arms Export Control Act,[53] all for the sake of campaign contributions.

      There is no good reason to keep throwing good money after bad in a failed, ill-founded policy. It's long past time for a fundamental rethinking of the American government's blank check to Israel.

      This is the Nation that funds Hilary Clinton and who owns and runs the American Government. Americans need to declare this election as an opportunity to stem the flow to Israel of THEIR money. And put someone in the Presidential Office who represents America and not Israel.

    • So Hophmi what you are saying is they are like Israeli's who fully support the racist, mysogynistic policies of their regime.

    • What I love is Israel facing an existential threat. Israel chose freely to violate International Law and steal Palestinian Land outside its borders which is why Palestinians keep attacking Israel. If another nation kept stealing British land the British people would attack the thief. If America was having its land stolen they too would attack. Palestine is supposed to stand its people in an open paddock with no cover and allow Israeli's to gun them down so Israeli's can freely take their land and leave them homeless. America sees no reason to stop Israel from doing this and neither does Britain. Both nations fall over themselves giving Israel the weaponry to continue stealing the land and we as the global community at large are supposed to see that as okay because Zionism says so.......It is a very sick ask. Zionism has perverted the Governments of US and UK.

    • The big problem with stating Israel is a democracy is that it clearly is not. It is an Apartheid state with one rule of law for Jews and another rule of law for Arabs and Arabs are under occupation in Palestine. No way on God's Earth is Israel a Democracy. It's a weeping pustule on the World's Backside.

    • The only reason Israel has an existential threat from Palestinians and it's Arab neighbours is because of its illegal occupation and land theft and subjugation and mistreatment of the Palestinian People and its clear meddling in Arab affairs to ensure its domination of the Middle East and the Arabs quite clearly want no part of what Israel is offering or wanting to do in the region.

  • Druze Arabs in the occupied Golan Heights discuss borders, identity, colonialism and war
    • The time has never been riper to clip Israel's wings than the time we currently live in and if you cannot see what is building then I guess you won't believe your eyes or ears.when Sheldon tells you to stick your job because you are a zionist. Sheldon is a survivor enough to seem to me to be happy to go down with the ship.

    • I have yet to see DaBakr make a post on Israel that is honest and truthful. Fact is Israel knows that legally it is in the wrong and was wrong from day one and inevitably it will come to a screeching halt because the World is rapidly getting tired of Israel and its pedantics and semantics and all the other Ziocaine behaviours.

    • I think you will find behind all the confusion and once the dust settles that Israel largely destabilised Syria because it would not back down against Israel nor would it kneel before Israel. Yearly Assad would demand the Golan back and in order to keep it Israel had one option really. Silence Assad. Hence it is coming out now how Israel supports Al Nusra and other militia. I suspect it is but the tip of the iceberg of their meddling in Syria. Most certainly you can count on Zionists having pulled strings in Washington to manipulate Government officials there to involve the US militarily in Syria and the downfall of Assad because it suits Israel.

  • Defying Scottish law, football fans fly Palestinian flags during match with Israeli team
    • A flag upside down in naval terms means a ship in distress seeking help. Sends an honest and truthful message either way you look at it.

    • the contrary good sir. I would suggest that most of the commenters here know far more about Israel's nefarious activities than you would like and more than you are capable of defending. Scots have a long history of oppression and subjugation by the English which puts them in a prime position to understand the Israeli lies. Israel is doing nothing new. They conduct themselves as older antiquated colonialists did. Antiquated being the operative word here. Colonialism and Right of Conquest was outlawed decades ago and as such it makes defending Israeli actions totally indefensible given Israel ratified and signed the Fourth Geneva Convention and signed the UN Charter and declared its borders as defined by Resolution 181. Therefore Israel conducts itself knowing full well its actions are illegal and indefensible. Every single settlement beyond Israel's borders and on Palestinian territory can legitimately be pulled down and its occupants removed by Israel at Israel's expense under threat of sanctions....and THAT DaBakr is very much on the cards in the near future.

    • Shalom Gala Festival in Edinburgh held by Pro Israeli's has been confronted by Scottish Palestinian Supporters........

    • Being Scots and a proud member of a Clan that took a Front line position in the rebellion against the English I can tell you that to this day no child is too young to remember. Our history is passed on generation to generation like our fathers did and our grandfathers and their fathers before them. It is how we know who we are and what we stand for. Clan Law will always take precedence over Royalist laws.

  • 'The Forward' fails to find source of anti-semitism hoax that its reporter concocted (Updated)
    • How on earth does Laura Adkins keep her job? No self respecting News outlet of any worth would continue to employ her.....what a piece of work!

  • The breathtaking arrogance of Alan Dershowitz's 'advice' to Black Lives Matter
    • Yes ...the fact they blame one another or bad mouth one another makes them no different to rats deserting a sinking ship.

    • There is not one PM since Israel was established that in my view is not guilty of lining his or her own pockets at the expense of fellow Israeli's and Palestinians and ALL are guilty in some form of war crimes against Palestinians. Dershowitz is way past his use by date and the fact he has been linked to pedophillia makes him a thoroughly distasteful and unwanted voice. Those who still support him and believe his lies and distortions are just as morally bankrupt as he is. As for Ehud Barak.......he is no better than Netanyahu.

  • 'It's like we're born with guns in our hands': Young Israelis face prison as they resist military conscription
    • Tair Kaminer is a person of principle and honour to be applauded. Basic respectful rules of living state we can do as we please in life as long as we do no harm to ourselves and or others. The fact she states the GOI spends its time normalizing its illegitimacy is no surprise. The GOI has a history of semantics and twisting truth. Inevitable change is coming as an unstoppable global groundswell against Israeli criminality grows. I salute Tair and those who walk the same path as her.....Zionists fear truth and honesty.

  • The last Gaza war worried Scotland's Jews-- for all the wrong reasons
    • I would not say never Kay24. It is more likely to happen now or in the very near future than at any other time in America's history because the secret is out. It is my belief that the average American will not tolerate what Israel is doing nor will they tolerate the billions in dollars of taxpayer money being sent to Israel to maintain its criminal actions. America by my perception is sitting on the edge of a new resurgence this time with eyes wide open.

    • I sense poor wee henrytobias is feelin' a wee bit left oot. Stap yerr greetin' son an' harden up! Yere nae a victim.

    • I guess oldgeezer it is largely dependant on whether someone tries to impose their beliefs and or will on others or whether they hold their own beliefs and happily respect others beliefs. In my view there is no supreme belief......we just have different ways of paying respect to a higher power....whatever it may or may not be. All humans need faith of some kind. Without it we become too egotistical and lack humility.

    • I like the fact I discovered this site. It has improved my understanding of jewish people far more. Zionism hijacked judaism for its own purposes and you have taught me Mooser that not ALL Jews support it. Many other Jewish people have taught me that here also and I thank you....specifically you though Mooser because you use a medium I love....humour.

    • Crikey oldgeezer....just followed the link....what an amazing sight to behold. Oh to be a fly on Netanyahu's wall. Bet he is spitting tacks! The groundswell against Israel is beginning to increase speed alarmingly. This year is a definite year for change. Scotland is a great place for Palestinian support for obvious reasons. The Scots KNOW what occupation is all about.

    • Yes Eljay....what Zionists need to learn is the difference between anti semitic and anti :)

    • They might be living in the wrong place if they support Occupation. Scotland is still fighting for Independence.

    • Kay24....I found this article at Electronic Intifada that gives good information on how far Pro israeli's are going to discredit pro Palestinian groups. Shows the tactics and what the Pro Palestinians did to thwart it and win a court order against the Pro Israeli's. Good info for future battles in the same situation coming to the US..........

    • Hahahahahahaha Kay......rotflmho!.....seems to me these Zionists scored F for most things....Diplomacy, Integrity, Humanity etc etc.

    • Eljay....I have never seen a hasbarat produce proof of a referendum held that showed ALL Jews voted for Israel to represent them or speak on their behalf.

    • Thoroughly agree with you Kay and I have written similar feelings on here before. I worry when I type such things it will be taken the wrong way i.e anti semitism blah blah. Fact is that what Israel does in a criminal manner does affect every Jew around the World. The pattern is all Jews are blamed and all are likened to Israeli Zionists whether they are or not. It is therefore imperative those Jews who want to feel safe put pressure on their governments to end ties with Israel and bring about its regimes demise. Only that will drive anti semitism down which since Netanyahu took power has grown and grown. Some people may not like it being like that but its a definite pattern that is visible and we have to deal with life on lifes terms whether we like it or not.

  • Beinart calls anti-Zionists 'revolutionaries'
    • You will find their are examples of Palestinian money if you look. They had paper notes like other states do now and they had passports also because when the British Mandate spoke of a home for the Jews in Palestine they also speak of issuing Jews with Palestinian Passports and granting them Palestinian citizenship which the Jews rejected.

    • Yes Palestine was a State prior to Partition. It is recognised as such under the British Mandate and if you look at Maan News Agencies recent articles there are still towns in Israel with manhole covers made from cast Iron declaring they are the Property of the Palestinian State.

    • Precisely Mooser.....what Hophmi and his ilk are failing to see is the State of Israel as it has been known since its inception is about to undergo a major change and its days of impunity are drawing to an end. The groundswell against Israel largely due to its criminality is growing and nothing Hophmi and his ilk can do will stop that inevitable change. The honeymoon is definitely over. Under a One State solution the Jewish State of Israel on the first day would cease to exist with a democratic one person one vote system in place and the One new State likely would be renamed. Two separate States will and is the only viable option Israel has to retain its identity. What form that takes is unknown but surely will involve starting at its 181 declared borders. Any other land it legally negotiates with Palestine will be added by legal annexation in line with International Law. Settlers if anyone will attempt to create a bloodbath. My hunch is America and France and Russia will place troops on the borders of the new States to stop any fighting. Under International Law every Sovereign State has a right to defend itself and so a demilitarized State for Palestinians is unviable not to mention unreasonable as Israel is a definite and clear threat to Palestinian Freedom.

    • Whether it be UNSC or UNGA documents all are binding if based and drawn up around International Law. When Israel declared Sovereignty and declared its borders as defined by Resolution 181 THEN that was legally binding under International Law Hophmi and those are the only borders it will ever be recognised on Internationally. unless legally changed through International Law which to date it has never done.

    • The Partition Plan Resolution 181 is the resolution that Israel signed agreeing to two states and its borders. 242 is simply a requirement under International Law which requires Israel to withdraw from territories occupied by Israel in 67.Acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible. Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information and never used by academics wishing to get to the truth. Cameras - org employees have corrupted all information on Israel at Wikipedia....try again Hophmi and stop grasping at Hasbara- like disinformational straws.

    • my view NF is correct. All UN Resolutions are bound in International Law and All Sovereign States agree on joining UN to comply with and abide by their obligations under International Law. The Partition Plan was a signed agreement understood clearly by the Provisional Government of Israel and many months work by UNSCOP went into its formulation of borders of which the Provisional Government of Israel participated. Israel ratified and signed the Fourth Geneva Convention and is bound by International Law to comply. Palestine was a Sovereign State that was carved up to facilitate the creation of Israel so it does not cease being a State because Israel says so. It is bound in International Law.

    • Despite the fact that the League of Nations Covenant Article 20 tells us Palestine was a state with provisional recognition, referenced in the very first line of the League of Nation Mandate for Palestine and in Article 7, one of Israel’s main assertions has been that Palestine has never been a state.

      Another of Israel’s arguments is that because the Arabs refused to recognize UNGA res 181, Israel somehow has some extra special right to territories the Israeli Government itself claimed on May 22nd 1948 were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine” and under Israeli military control. I.e., “occupied”

      The arguments are not only nonsense, they’re entirely irrelevant. States cannot simply take what is not their own without the express permission of the legal inhabitants. Since at least 1933 it has been illegal (inadmissible) to “acquire” territory by war, furthermore it is illegal for other states to recognize territories acquired by war. A fact confirmed by Schwebel, Lauterpacht & Herzog, who tell us territory may only be “restored” by war. No Israeli territories have ever been taken. Israel has never had to ‘restore’ any of its territories, it has been “acquiring” territory by war.

      Israel is no different from any other independent state. What lies outside of Israel’s legal sovereign extent, is simply not Israeli. Since Israel’s territories were proclaimed by the Israeli Government in their plea for recognition, no further territories have ever been legally acquired by Israel by any agreement and no state has ever recognized any territories acquired by war as Israeli.

      Israel’s official 31st of August 1949 claim (as a UN Member state) to alleged non-state territories of Palestine shows “respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area” except for the Palestinian territories. Israel’s claim was refused BTW, citing the Armistice Agreements......more info here......

    • May 22nd 1948 Israeli Government statement

      On May 22, 1948 UNSC S/766 the Provisional Government of Israel answered questions addressed to the “Jewish authorities in Palestine” was transmitted by the acting representative of Israel at the United Nations.

      Question (a): Over which areas of Palestine do you actually exercise control at present over the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the Resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947?

      "In addition, the Provisional Government exercises control over the city of Jaffa; Northwestern Galilee, including Acre, Zib, Base, and the Jewish settlements up to the Lebanese frontier; a strip of territory alongside the road from Hilda to Jerusalem; almost all of new Jerusalem; and of the Jewish quarter within the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem. The above areas, outside the territory of the State of Israel, are under the control of the military authorities of the State of Israel, who are strictly adhering to international regulations in this regard. The Southern Negev is uninhabited desert over which no effective authority has ever existed." ... " the Government of the State of Israel operates in parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel"

    • The surrounding circumstances are as follows. Clark Clifford, White House spokesman, phoned Washington friends advising that the State Department, at noon, May 14, will agree immediate recognition in event request therefor received. After careful consultation here with Ben Cohen and Ginsberg, following letter drafted and sent to the President and Secretary of State:

      My dear Mr. President: I have the honor to notify you that the State of Israel has been proclaimed as an independent republic within the frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that the Provisional Government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law.

      The Act of Independence will become effective one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948 Washington time.............

    • From my understanding,and I do encourage Talknic to clarify further as he has more expertise than me. I only learnt from him really. But when Israel agreed to and signed agreement to the Partition Plan, the Provisional Government of Israel knew full well its borders and in fact declared them as those defined by the Partition Plan. It is on the UN Record as having agreed. Israeli Jews and Arabs were invited to agree to it. The Arabs rejected it and the Arabs were the majority in Palestine and at the time of signing Jews owned less than ten percent of the land in Palestine. The UN made clear it would hold the land for a Palestinian State in perpetuity so if Palestinian Arabs changed their mind the land was there for them.

      Now comes the tricky bit,some say the Partition Plan is invalid due to the UN not having a mandate to carve up ownership of foreign territory. And I can only wonder how France or England etc would have reacted if half their territory was carved up and handed to someone else when the majority were saying no. However it went ahead. Israel declared its borders and during and before these transactions Jewish settlers were removing Arabs by force from Palestine. Palmach, Irgun and Haganah and Sterngang ,all designated terrorist groups by the British were attacking Palestinians and forcing them out as the British previously had rescinded their Mandate and handed it to the UN to sort out ,hence the Partition Plan. The War of Independence was in fact an Israeli Jewish war of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in an attempt to take ALL Palestine. The Arabs to my knowledge lodged a Declaration of a Defensive War in London to go into Palestine to protect Palestinians who were coming under attack from Jewish Terrorist groups. Under International Law Acquisition of Territory by Force is inadmissible so all the land Israel took outside its declared borders as defined by the Partition Plan is illegal and is actually Palestinian Land. Israel also signed agreement to implement Resolution 194 in exchange for full UN Membership. All territory Occupied by Israel in 1967 IS ILLEGALLY HELD. Israel under the Fourth Geneva Convention is not allowed to transfer it citizens permanently onto Occupied Territory. The legitimacy of Israel as a whole is questionable. What is known is since its inception it has it has never complied with or abided by International Law and that has to stop. Its impunity from International law is a precedent and needs to be terminated and Israel needs to face justice for its criminal actions.

    • No sane government should be supporting a regime that moves closer and closer to looking like WW2 Germany every day. Supplying them with Billions of dollars of weaponry with which they use to ethnically cleanse areas outside their declared borders is unacceptable and intolerable nor is it reasonable or justifiable and most definitely not defensible.

  • Chosen indeed: all 7 letters run by 'NYT' on Mideast article are by Jews
  • The dark secret of Israel’s stolen babies
    • Jackdaw you hit the nail on the head with some unintended honesty on your part. If Zionists did care about what they did and stopped behaving like the criminals they have become then maybe they would not feel so threatened. It is their own actions and behaviour that have created the conflict. It's high time you manned up and got honest with yourselves instead of bleating and blaming others all the time and trotting out the victim card. You Zionists have deeply ingrained denial and self reflection is your only road to freedom. Being big enough to recognise and acknowledge your wrongdoing against others.

  • Boycott, from within and without
  • In wake of Gaza indictments, Netanyahu says, 'I care more about Palestinians than their own leaders'
    • I find his statements obscene and lacking credibility in any sense. It simply highlights the ridiculousness of American Government support for Israel.

  • Olympian at the checkpoint: why a Palestinian swimmer couldn't train in Jerusalem
    • Hardly self hatred on my part Asherpat but you seem far from being a happy ZioCamper.....guess you feel lonely in your isolation.

    • I guess it is the inevitable result of decades of snorting Ziocaine that creates the bizarre thought processes of people like Asherpat.

    • She is indigenous to Palestine. Her country of birth. She should have NO restrictions on movement in her own land and should be free like many other people to realise her dreams and aspirations. Israeli's are illegal occupiers and land thieves that operate without legal justification or without predominant World support outside their declared Borders. Israeli's from Europe protested at similar treatment under the German Occupation yet Israeli's seem fine imposing their illegal will on Palestinians. Israeli's supporting their national policies will never know peace nor be accepted in a friendly fashion globally because their behaviour is so abhorrent and inhuman. They have NO defense for what they do and Palestinian responses to Israeli actions are entirely understandable and are no different to how other people globally would respond if faced with similar actions Israeli's included.

  • Hundreds of Jews march for 'Black Lives Matter' in New York
    • I'll take your comment as a valid one RoHa. Are you aware many Scots were expelled from their homes and land by English nobility land owners and sent to places like Canada and America and New Zealand et al, kinda like the illegal Palestinian transfers and deportations that the Israeli's use. My father for example took us to Australia because there was no work in England at the time and his skills were required by the Australian Government so our fare was paid for by the British and Australian Governments. My father built many houses and supervised the rebuilding of many roads and renovated the ornamental plaster in colonial era homes in his life in Australia. I served in their military and my sister was a highly qualified University graduate who taught many children in her years of teaching. My experience is Scots oppress no-one and treat people as they find them and give far more than they take. But of course....back a Scotsman in a corner and he will stand his ground and defend himself capably and those he cares for. I am not making excuses here....just speaking my truth of my experience and knowledge of history.

    • I have always held the view that if I judge people it is not because of skin colour or religion. It is due to how they behave and more importantly how they behave toward me.

    • Speaking as a Scotsman hophmi I can tell you any Scotsman who claims to respect Scotland and its history as I do would never ever dream of supporting a colonialist nation like England was during the days of William Wallace. No Scotsman worth his salt would ever subjugate another people because they know in their history what effect it has. Nor would they occupy another persons land. Scotsman of honour recognise those hundreds and thousands of Scotsman who died in their battles against the English Occupation. Scotsman of worth recognise full well why Palestinians resist Israeli Occupation of their land. And yes hophmi....Scotsman would be betraying their heritage if they supported and participated in subjugation. Not that hard to get ones head around

  • In overwhelming vote, leading Lutheran branch calls on US to cut off aid to Israel
    • I think it is rapidly getting to the point that American Politicians are seriously reconsidering continued support of Israel due to rising public and global opposition to Israel. Israel is becoming too costly financially and diplomatically to either defend or support. It is damaging American opportunities too much.

    • It must have got rights from Saudi to use its airspace to take the shortcut to bomb Iran.

    • To be honest I cannot see why the UN does not suspend Israel until it implements 194. It agreed to do so in return for full UN Membership and it has never implemented any Resolution against it largely due to the American veto. All it has done for decades is whine about alleged anti semitism everytime it is called upon to abide by International Law.

    • Exactly's time for the electorate to remind politicians like Ileanna Ros Lehtinen that they are elected to represent the interests of Americans and not Israeli's and that if they are going to support Israel then they are supporting a criminal state.

    • Yippee Annie this is great news! The floodgates are opening and the groundswell can begin. Long overdue justice appears to be happening and there isn't really a thing these Zionist bought politicians can say in defense that won't look extremely dodgy. It's a numbers game as I said on another thread here the other day. The more people that oppose it the less likely Israel will be able to wrench $40 billion dollars from the American taxpayer. It also serves notice to Israel that ending the Occupation is its only viable choice. If the American Government is blocked by the people sending that money then in effect it is the first of many sanctions that will follow. It only takes one small hole in a dyke to start a flood.

  • Israeli settler leader, rejected by Brazil, gets warm welcome in New York
    • Yonah....if Dayan is living in an illegal settlement he is a criminal and violating International Law. The American Government allowing this known despot into America and granting him the privilege to spread more of his lies about Israel's criminal actions is a giant reason why America continues to plummet down the Integrity ratings and its global status sinks further into the abyss.

  • Solidifying behind Clinton, foreign policy establishment gins up a cold war with Russia/Iran
    • I think what Putin is doing is declaring Russia has interests in the Middle East and he is as big as the US. He is not interested in what Israel wants....he tolerates Israel but since the S400 launchers arrived in Syria the Israeli's have not been so bomb happy and it has curbed their air of being able to go wherever they want.Putin has also declared he supports a Palestinian State and that it is vital for overall Middle East peace.

    • Keith....public opinion counts when it comes to election of representatives. If Pro Israel politicians lose favour as is happening then the change of public opinion can severely blunt Israel's ability to remain impune. It's a numbers game fella.

    • I cannot see Russia backing off from the USA or love loss with them at all.Putin knows he can give both a bloody nose and that Iran and Hezbollah et al will side with Russia so annexing the West Bank is still not viable and it would threaten Americas global support markedly. Palestinians have more support globally than Israel.

    • Tend to agree with you there Harry. Russia has quietly been renovating its military weaponry and some of what it has displayed in Syria since its ships and aircraft have been up there has been pretty impressive. If America wasn't spending so much money on its worthless and unappreciated special relationship with Israel it might not be so far behind the eight ball.

    • I thought it was rather telling when Russia parked its latest Guided Missile Destroyers off Syria and told America it wasn't allowed to bomb Syria as it planned and Obama backed off then America stood gobsmacked as Russia gave a demonstration of how efficient and accurate its cruise missiles were.

    • Dennis Ross is a snake oil saleman from way back. Everytime his lips move he lies and Netanyahu's hand is pulling his strings currently.

    • What it's doing again is committing American service personnel to fight wars in Israel's interest so it can dictate to Arabs. The Arabs have woken up to that fact and the more America sides with Isreal in its ambition for hegemony over the Middle East the more dangerous the World gets for Americans. Meanwhile Israel can continue unhindered in clearing Palestinians out of Palestine while America prepares Syria for settlement. Iran gets targeted because militarily,though it has conventional weapons in sheer manpower and its arsenal of missiles being so extensive it could weather any type of battle with Israel and reduce Israel to rubble so it needs America to attack Iran because to many people in the IDF would die if Israel fought its own battles it creates. Israel wants ALL the Middle East or at the very least wants it subservient to Israel. Bottom line it wants British and American troops to die to achieve it.

  • Google blames bug for removing 'West Bank' and 'Gaza' from Israel/Palestine map
    • It doesn't take much common sense to realise the Zionist Israeli's are painting themselves into a corner. Even if they succeed in stealing all of Palestine they are as good as isolating themselves from the World. Few people like them now.....and continuing on their current path will see them eventually become persona non grata in many nations. People on the streets have little time for their arrogant and pious natures.

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