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  • Sick of Zionism’s stranglehold on Jewish culture? There is an alternative.
    • Regarding Yonah`s comment above: I agree that Zionism, the Nation, requires the religious heritage to survive, even just to be complete. However, the reverse dependence may be also true, even as many would be reluctant to admit. Namely, at this historical juncture, as different from previous ones, what future Judaism really has without the existence of Israel?
      The two are now inextricably intertwined. Something truly big happened in Jewish history in the return of the nation to a land of its own (which, importantly, it is an intrinsic part of its eschatology - the divinely promised one), and there is no going back to the past anymore, in any clear sense.

    • Secularism is kind of misleading term. Zionism is at best when embeds in it the macro Judaism trajectory, which includes the history of the Jews and with that Moses and the Promised Land. Nothing is clear cut here – it cannot be – we humans are destined to live with “vagueness” in all realms of life. A lot is often left to beliefs, emotions, instincts and alike and expecting to have it all clarified rationally is delusional. Indeed, while frustrating, it can fortunately be turned into a plus - perhaps that`s the secret of it all - just requires the right attitude and proper balancing.

    • @mooser (your various comments)
      Actually I did have a reaction to those counterclaims - for instance the ultra-religious Jews didn`t sign up on present-day Israel because it was established on a secular basis – but it seemed to me not central to the argument so don`t worth the effort. After all I began it with claiming that Zionism is the leading force today in the Jewish world – namely, the national side of Judaism is central now - whereas in pre-Israel times religion was the only anchor to cling to. This argument still stands and it is what really matters today in any practical way (as different from scholarly arguments on the historical evolution, which is certainly interesting but is also under serious dispute).

    • @shmuel 1.37
      I see you are deep into this theological-philosophical context. I am not, so I cannot argue about that from a scholarly position. But my instinctive feeling is that what you suggest here is an overshoot and contrary to the common interpretation and conventional wisdom in Israel and the Jewish world of the issue – a kind of eccentric view of matters. Would you agree with that?

    • @MHughes
      The wars of the Israelites in Biblical times were aimed at conquering the Promised Land only. You find no intention to wish to constantly move into other places and add them to own rule - as Alexander the Great clearly exemplifies, the Romans and the Spanish and Portuguese Kings. All of the above spent huge energy on military expeditions even very far away. It appears that the Jewish nation, following Judaism prescriptions, had little interest in all that

    • Excuse me Shmuel but this comment is manipulative. There are VERY MANY prayers – and I was of course referring to them - that asks simply ask for a return to Zion and Jerusalem. There are of course also many other kinds of prayers – you quoted some of them – but what does that prove?
      I am afraid the last one you quoted indeed applies here, only in reverse, as are those, in the Yamim Noraim mainly, that warn against such attitudes.

    • @ejay 2.44
      I think you know what I mean. Very many other nations in the world spent much of their energy conquering and ruling other countries: From the Babylonians and Persians through the Greeks and Romans to modern-day Britain and France. Judaism has no such ambitions and that`s important to notice. The fight on its OWN land is a different issue and has taken place also in ancient times with the then nations in this area.

    • To sum up the above: the interrelations between Israel/ Zionism on one hand and the World Jewry/Judaism on the other hand is not at all a simple topic – involves many related issues. It is also an evolving one – Israel, after all, is in historical terms a new phenomenon.
      Whatever the case, to me it`s a great thing to be fortunate enough to be born, within the Jewish history, into the generation that has seen the rebirth of Israel – what few people in the past really expected to materialize (even as they were daily praying for it) – which, astonishingly, came on the heels of the complete opposite of it: one of the lowest points in Jewish history and its greatest tragedies. These are all truly BIG things, except that by living through them, with their everyday mundane details, we lose sight of the grand scope here. That probably will be what future historians will be concerned with.

    • @annie 4.27: “i almost thought you said setting up…..international Jewish world order”
      Why make a megalomaniac of me? I meant the Jewish world only. That`s the natural Zionist scope. You think anybody here wants Israel to set the agenda for other countries? One got to be crazy even to think about that. Indeed, it is all taking place right at the opposite extreme, namely no wish to dominate others – that has never been, historically, a Jewish ambition – just be left alone in peace. Plus, these days, make sure that this tiny country here manages to withstand the enormous pressures on it while keeping links to its natural partner – the broader world-Jewry. Now what`s exactly so outlandish about it?

    • @Annie 5.24 “how is this normal”?
      Patience, please. The Jewish nation reunited within the new Zionist realm only 70 or so years ago after millennia of exile. It takes time to straighten up things in both the internal and external fronts - setting up branching into the broader international Jewish world and forging global contacts. E.g. with many in the New-World (immigration), countries, prominently the US, now also strengthened links to India and Japan; getting apolitical foothold in the region here; putting a fight to the traditional many detractors; and so on and on.
      It`s a big job in the making, still in its infancy. Including learning from mistakes. Give us time please.

    • As an afterthought this issue seems to relate to the broader topic of Judaism defined as a religion and the Jews - a nation. Since the nation lost its country, at some point in history, all it was left with its distinct religion as the only anchor. Now it is again a normal nation, with almost half of the world Jewry in it and the vast majority of the Jewry outside it – in effect all the mainstream Jewish organizations anywhere in the world - holding a Zionist stance (even if they choose not to move physically into it). So you have a reconfiguration here that brought Zionism to the center of the (mainstream) Jewish world – the Jewish nation in a country of its own (then one that is part of both its history and eschatology) with Judaism as its religion.

    • @eljay
      Your comments are indeed relevant and some further clarifications are in place. What I wrote was not exactly the standard way things are formulated and what I was trying to suggest is that viewed from today`s perspective it is not Judaism anymore that embodies Zionism but the other way round.
      The reason is that Zionism is now so central to the Jewish world, both quantitatively and qualitatively, that Judaism without it (unless you talk about the ultra-orthodox) is of much less essence. For instance, consider a Jewish (so called) progressive (ordinarily secular). What is exactly in his/her Jewishness that puts him/her apart from other non-Jewish people in this political class? Not much really.
      However if you are a Zionist than there is a clear political statement here, especially in the conditions of today`s politically divided world, and it is in this sense that Zionism came to transcend Jewishness in today`s conditions (unless again a person is ultra-orthodox). For instance, Jerusalem the capital of Israel has become – for the first time since 3000 years ago (the times, approx., of the First Temple) – the world center of Judaism, spiritually and organizationally (within the Jewish world).
      The issue is of course complex but for the purposes here, given the focus of this particular blogging site, the essence of things is perhaps already delivered above.

    • You are all getting it WRONG here. In fact Zionism, which comes from Judaism, is now in the process of superseding it. Judaism was strong in the European and Arab diaspora in exile times simply as a way of keeping the spirit alive but once Zion was re-established the setting shifted and returned to its real self.
      US Judaism by and large complements Zionism within a broader US-Israel alliance - a unity of goals in both the political world and the spiritual one (which, prominently, includes the Christian Zionists).
      So, indeed, it is all not so much about Birthright, as it is misnamed, but really Rebirth got RIGHT.

  • My one word interrogation at Ben Gurion airport
    • John O
      The problem is that there is a clash between 2 values here (which is usually the problem, except that sometimes the other one is less obvious). In this case, on one hand thee is your point but then there is on the other hand the counter point that spending money in an irrational way results from a performance angle in a no less troubling and concrete consequence – namely, less terror acts will be prevented per $ spent. Or, in other words, there will be more innocent victims. Now go and explain to their families your rationale.

    • Profiling may appear racist but there is nothing of that in the way of intentions. It`s all about Statistics, common sense and optimizing performance. If you have X money to thwart a threat, which may come from 2 sources A and B and historical data shows their respective contribution to be 99% and 1%, respectively - would you spend your budget half-half (and be politically correct if people are involved) on the two sources?

  • Palestinian citizens of Israel hold the key -- Zellner
    • @ossinev
      No problem. Think of an Israel-Jordanian accord that has the West Bank as a commonly governed territory with Arabs there voting in Jordan (which already has Palestinians as a sizeable part of its citizenry) and Jews there - in Israel. Gaza will be a separate political entity enlarged by part of the Sinai desert. So it’s a kind of 3 States – 3 nations, scheme: Jordan, Israel and Gaza being the states, Jews, Palestinians and the Hashemite Bedouins, being the nations.
      It fundamentally requires beginning to treat Israel it as part of the regional political fixture and while there are many practical aspects to work out here, it is not at all a trivial exercise, the above is still the biggest hurdle – too many Arabs just cannot give up on the hope otherwise.

    • @eljay ““Chicken little” whiny or “Captain Israel” brave”
      Think about a moment and you will see that there is no real contradiction between these two characters in this particular context. Indeed, it is embodied by the small David versus the big Goliath story in the Bible, which is taken as foundational in Israelite thinking. Namely, Jewish eternal fate is to be few (there is no wish or aspiration to become otherwise), but chosen, and be a permanent target of the many – yet still, while keep suffering, survive and triumph.
      The return to the Promised Land of Israel against the wishes of the hundreds of millions of Arabs around – through a yet one more David vs. Goliath episode – is only the most recent manifestation of this historical projection.

    • So what`s the main fallacies in the outlook provided here? It`s the same ones that failed the many that made predictions on similar lines perennially since 70 years ago. Anybody has the time and patience to check that will find that just about most of the “gloomy” predictions of the past – many when Israel was far smaller and weaker simply didn`t materialize. You can argue about what will happen in the future but not what we already see with our eyes now. Apparently there are some serious blind spots in play here.
      The claim here that the situation is unstable and hence unsustainable sounds logical, until you remember that in the past it was much more so - tempting many to raise thoughtful scenarios about what will soon happen and yet they didn`t even come close to materialization. Just a decade ago Israel was the focus of everybody – there was no major political speech in the world that didn`t contain a segment about “the mid-east conflict” - tellingly, that how it was usually called (not the I/P or I/Arabs conflict) even as there were other highly problematic ongoing conflicts in the mid-east region (as e.g. those involving Saddam Hussein).
      In order not to come up with a very long analysis I stop here – but I think there is already enough food for thought here.

  • Manifesto, 2016
    • @ Pabelmont: “Is the USA-Israel special relationship unravelling?”
      US-Israel relationship is like in marriage – in most cases there, even if it is hard to keep the initial intensity indefinitely what often happens is that while the fervor is on all kinds of physical links are forged (children, house, common memories, joint economic interests, common friends etc.) that then keep the relations thereafter. There are numerous tie types between the US and Israel, which in the present world, with its increasingly limited choice for any meaningful alliance so chances ae the relations will wither counter forces.
      In particular, the loss of liberal Jewish circles is more than compensated for by a strong alliance with Christian circles, which, indeed, has a deeper meaning than just political – it is a new reshuffling along different dividing lines. The self-named progressives, whatever their religion, are now on the same side. It`s a pretty amazing development – probably mainly applies to the US and Canada – a reality that would have not been predictable from the vantage point of pre-Israel European history.

  • Video: A glimpse of Palestinians living under occupation in Hebron
    • @Froggy
      Actually, one reason why the Jews have survived their long troubled history as persecuted minorities in other countries – sometimes horrible beyond grasping - exactly because they fully understood what causality is about. The Arab culture loves metaphors from Mature and here is one on that line (not original): A tree that is able to bend with winds always return eventually to normal position whereas the firm tree, while never bending, will be broken by too strong a wind.

    • Kris, I don`t think that what you need here is examples but instead an insightful explanation for a much broader phenomenon.
      There is this feeling in the Arab world of deep grievance versus the West (“the Crusaders”) and the Jews. In my non-professional view it goes back many centuries, even millennia, and is part of some kind of ahistorical rivalry between the 3 groups. The Arabs had their days of glory and the Europeans their low point (the Jews were always the quantitatively marginal players although in other ways they had meaningful influence) but now, in the era of modernity, it appears as if the West, and now also the Jews (not until a century ago), has gained the upper and the Arab world is left behind. Europe, and the other newer Western countries, glitter with success and the Arab world is in a bad shape (and that was the case before the present major turbulence in Arabia that began few years ago). It takes a professional historian to study how this outcome in this “historical rivalry (or competition)” came about – I am familiar with some theories – but the important point now is not is what it means for today`s world conditions.
      In particular, Arabs (and now it has expanded into the broader Islamic world) feel that they have been wronged and generally blame The West” for it. That is not without foundations but then mainly so in indirect ways – past colonialist periods, the post WW1 arrangements (which have created many modern Arab states), the rise of the US and its oil dealings with Gulf countries etc. (and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire is also there) and, more generally, the way the globalization process (cum technology advances) made the big guys of the world interfere with what goes on everywhere in it (so, in particular, leaving no option for Arabia to be excluded from the “big common arena” even as a lot in Western tradition contradicted theirs).
      To cut a truly very long story short – all this appear to give Arabs a sense of having a card-blanche for retributions. Hence, for instance, the Sep 11 attack (remember Bin-Laden`s justifications) and acts in Europe and of course Israel.
      Israel seemed the most acute and concrete case of the above – not “the occupation” but mainly its very establishment right at the heart of the Arab world. In Arab eyes, the most blatant manifestation of their mistreatment (“humiliation”) by “The West” of which Israel was conceived as a part even as, paradoxically, or perhaps ironically, the arriving Jews into it were in fact fleeing European persecutions. It thus attracted most of their attention – even as it was in realistic terms a marginal issue for the, It also seemed the easiest target to score a retribution success, from a practical point of view, since in their midst, miniature in size, with a small population and mot too much love by Europeans (within the abovementioned historical three-party rivalry). What happened since, we all know.
      It is kind of a very general background and a serious examination is clearly not for here and not by me – generally, one of those grand sagas that History is composed of except that it is happening now, with us and part of our everyday life. It is anybody`s guess how it will develop.

    • This is of course what happens there SINCE the present disturbances began. Hebron, statistically, was the origin of many of the assailants: stabbers, car ramming also live fire. There is this attitude among Palestinian of disconnecting causes and effects or total disregard to the causality phenomenon in life
      In addition, Hebron is a stronghold of Hamas (their associate party is always the one who gets elected there to power) so also a rival of the PA main group – in the context of the eternal interplay among the 3 key entities in this perennial (and macabre) political-violent “games”.

  • Nate Silver should stop calling Israel a democracy
    • When suggesting that Israel is not a democracy it is useful to take a glance around the world we live in, continent by continent, and check; (a) which country comes even close to the democracy`s definition and (b) if it does how it compares to Israel in this regard.
      It kind of provides a better appreciation of what Israel has managed to keep, in conditions that are immensely harder than most countries in the world face.

  • Suddenly, comparing Jewish state to ISIS is OK
    • @annie
      I sdidn`t read it but I can see already from the title (Arens) the critical difference. He must be referring to the lunatic right in Israel – not to the country – and it is a kind of exaggerated but useful wake up call to those here - thankfully a very small fringe group – that are the “danger from inside” to Israel.
      Every country has that, especially when in warring conditions, and there is a huge effort here to subdue them. It is the total failure in the Arab/Islamic world to do the same, which is, in my opinion, their greatest problem.

    • @ossinev
      The double-posting, just a mis-click (on both versions of the same posting).
      To the point: there is no Hasbara here – just trying to say that equating Israel to ISIL is a meaningless joke or a propaganda ploy dressed as a serious examination. I am sure that you can find 10 similarities between the US and Russia and many other doubles but does that warrant an article? Does any serious person in the world benefit from such pseudo-analytic gimmickry? The fact that it is at all done indicates to me the pitiful obsession with Israel of some people – an insatiable desire, or a psychological need, to see it portrayed it darkly, whatever it takes.

    • I doubt that having read this analogy will have practical effects on the security agencies in Europe and the coalition forces in Syria, namely that they shift track – forget about ISIL and deal instead with the now “exposed” parallel.
      Apparently there is no end to imaginative anti-Israel ideas. Albeit, the problem is that real people with real concerns have little time for gimmicks - they need to deal with the actual threats of this world - playing games is for those who do not.

    • I doubt though that having read this article will have the practical effect of making the security agencies in Europe and the allied forces in Syria shift track – forget about ISIL and deal instead with its now “exposed” parallel.
      Nice try though.

  • Our Top Ten posts of 2015
    • @mooser
      Think positively.
      What about the many: Brilliant, Insightful Zionist-Advocacy Remarks?
      Sounds bizarre to you?

  • Top ten ways Muslim-Americans can do more
    • #Annie
      Oh please, don`t define “inconvenient truth” as hasbara

    • @diaspora
      OK, OK I get it – indeed I forgot another important tip:
      “Stop wasting time, yours and others`, with vacuous and tired slogans that nobody takes any more seriously”
      (You know very well that had the Arabs accept the partition plan there would have been no ”ethnic cleansing”)

    • Well, you forgot the most three important ones:
      Uphold Zionism as a sign of sympathy for the Holocaust refugees that through it managed to build a new home at a negligible land-sacrifice for the Arab world – in the best hospitality tradition of the latter.
      Make it clear that you consider the vast efforts and energy spent on antagonizing it a historical magnitude miscalculation on the side of the Arab world – allowing a non-important issue, with little real threat to the Arab world from it, turned into a major goal that resulted in calamitous consequences for its promoters and little tangible results on the round.
      Denounce pseudo-supporters of the anti-Israel campaign who by encouraging Arabs & Muslims to pursue it made them fall into a cynical trap that exposed them to charges of bigotry right when they were in a dire need for protection from it.

  • 'A real Israeli doesn't abandon his duty'
    • @ mooser
      Well that`s what I just wrote (see above), namely the normal center is caught between the extremist right and left - and they also feed into each other, using the other side, what it does and say, as their raison d`etre.
      And, well, like a one-trick-pony, you just did that again!

    • @marnie : “what you understand would fill a thimble. Maybe”
      Well, that`s my common experience with the loony left: when they are out of answers their instinctive fallback is to insults.
      This, plus the generally aggressive language they are prone to use, often outright vulgar, is puzzling - oxymoronic to the lofty human values and moral standards that these people are purportedly (or self-described to be) committed to.
      It kind of suggests an impersonation - a sugarcoating of what deep down is pretty brutal - and I think people intuitively sense that and are repulsed by it.

    • @mooser : “I`m not the only comedian around here"
      It`s OK to want to be a comedian but what about being also funny?

    • @marnie
      OK, I understand – you are part of that loony Left here. I know that Israel has also a growing loony right but that`s exactly the problem – namely, the danger of shrinkage of the reasonable and responsible center in this country. By your extremism you are contributing to that problem!!

    • @marnie
      What you should have written is: There will never be security in Israel as long as there is Israel – and that could be true – because Israel itself is what it appears to Palestinians as first and foremost as “the occupation”. So you have got it right in putting it between quotation marks, because that`s exactly how it is seen from the Palestinian side – as the “original sin” – and, accordingly, when they say “lasting peace” `with it`, they really mean and think `without it`.
      And as for your macabre, doomsday, “prophecy” – that`s actually already happening except that in neighboring countries

    • @zaid
      It will be a great day when Hamas begins to think responsibly in the way those countries do – right now they are busy digging more tunnels for mortars and missiles in the Gaza strip that Israel left already many years ago. Even Egypt considers Hamas a threat to it – linked to the Moslem Brotherhood there, which carries its own terrorist attacks in it.

    • #DaBakr
      Yes, you could be right. But even so they should at least be concerned about their own fate. The Palestinians areas were calm and people there safe from the mayhem all around Israel – and now they are pushing things in that direction. They might come to regret it badly.

    • @marnie: “It`s the occupation, stupid|”
      No, it` s not – it is far deeper than that. And beyond that it is a dangerous delusion to think that relinquishing (security) control over the West-Bank the will make matters better (as also some Israelis do). You do that and Israel security drops sharply instantly. Remember the mortars form Gaza in the last war that were shot continuously at Israeli towns (not settlements!) around it – so now take a look at the map and imagine the same coming from the West-Bank right on the heartland of Israel (for instance, the distance between the green line and the sea in the area where I am writing at this moment is less than8 (!!!) miles). That`s the story in a nutshell.

    • @ MDC
      You keep dismissing the IDF. These “toys” are today`s warfare tools – times have changed – and mastering them is what is needed.
      “Israel not win a single war for over 40 years”
      That`s because it was blocked in every instance. Indeed, the definition of “winning” itself is not anymore what it used to be – namely, who had the upper hand at the end - because the way things are designed today wars in fact never end. As e.g. the war on terror – at what point can one say it is won, or over? And who is there to concede defeat? For instance the mighty US has been said “to have lost” the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – simply because it never “won” them.
      “inevitable demise”
      That`s wishful thinking – at least because already repeated for decades and decades now - and not only to no avail but that very period has actually seen the demise of those who kept predicting it. It would have been better for all parties concerned if the wishful-thinkers would have adopted instead another attitude in times past. But apparently they got addicted to this mindset - it`s high time “to change disc”.

    • That`s OK, Israel is a real democracy and this woman proves that and although I don`t agree with what she says I would be sorry and surprised if there were not people at all here who think otherwise than me on such a complicated matter as the conflict here.
      More to the point: I think Israel is approaching the moment where the “people`s army”, which served it well for decades, needs a re-make. Given that a lot has shifted to the technological arena, where the need for human soldiers is much smaller, coupled with the growth of Israel`s population (almost tenfold since its establishment), there is, indeed, no point to coerce people to do what they don`t believe in – as e.g. serving in the various active arenas of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
      Israel must move to set a semi-professional army - on the lines of the US, but since it is much smaller and still has a lot of needs those that don`t want to serve actively in the Palestinian or other arenas should be offered other opportunities. The professional army, on the other hand, will only accept people that are ready to be positioned where the army decides and they should have more extensive training programs, be more like career-soldiers (even if possibly for shorter periods if they want so) and of course be rewarded correspondingly in all kinds of ways.
      I think that kind of takes care of the issue raised here – including the giving up on active service duties in the army for the kind of Break the Silence people - and will also be better and more effective from the point of view of Israel`s goals and needs.

  • Video: O little invasion of Bethlehem
    • @MDM : "English is not your first language"
      What you mean is that I have to break that one long sentence into three – I sometimes write it as I think – but, nevertheless, I the ideas there, I think, are pretty clear. And in this case that`s what mattes.
      Thanks anyway for pointing it out but I wish your devotion to proper writing would be matched by a similar attitude to clarity and ingenuity in political-thinking – it is seemed to be driven too much by negative intentions and unreasonable or unfounded expectations. And that`s bad.

    • @MDM
      “overwhelming joy”
      Not at all – it is a sin to do so - just a cold headed analysis of the process that is taking place.
      “lead people to forget that Israel”
      Not forget, but understand better the situation that Israel found itself caught in – one phase before it arrived there – and so perhaps regret their moral preaching to it when they felt safe, thinking that it has nothing to do with them because they are OK - even support the Palestinians and denounce Israel. It`s simply rude- awakening time there.

    • @Froggy
      I am afraid you are deluding yourself in believing that what goes here in Israel is particular to it. Apparently, what happened here was a precursor for things to come elsewhere – were here first because Israel is closer to “the scene”.
      In France the process is still in its infancy but the Chari Hebdo and the recent terror are having big effect there. You may call the FN extremists but they were a marginal political entity in France only decade ago and now they are at the political forefront and constantly at the ascent. Indeed, many that voted to other parties are just as worried and you can see that in how those other parties are gradually shifting positions to account for that.

    • @yourstruly
      “the more desperate…. become”
      Not desperate but rather extremely angry and agitated.
      There are daily occurrences today where Palestinians stab people at random around them and ram cars into groups waiting in bus stops. I don`t think the Palestinians appreciate the extent and intensity of the reaction to such acts in the Israeli public to what they are doing. If anything, that`s a desperate campaign on their side.

      “the first Intifada was nothing like this”
      Terror tend to have a meaningful psychological impact on those it is directed at, as we just saw also in France – that`s perhaps the rationale behind it – and with this random stabbing and car ramming campaign the Palestinians are shaping an altogether different Israeli opponent. ,

  • Rubio's neocon-establishment team bolstered by 'Zionaire' hedgefunder who denies existence of Palestine
    • @JC
      Try to be real. These people who want to be the president of today`s world leader look around the globe that they will have to run, if elected, and what do they see?
      Consider, China, Russia and even India within that big league, the Islamic world and the Mid-East, Central and South America countries (including the big ones: Mexico, Venezuela, Argentina and now already also Brazil), Africa, East Europe`s past Communist countries and its south-west (as Spain, Portugal and Greece), a big part of Asia.
      Wouldn`t you conclude that Israel is really a top performer in THIS globe in more than one away and a Western Democracy, unlike most of the others, and moreover (again unlike most of the others) a real ally of the US that shares its general values and goals. So would not you, as a potential President-elect, want this phenomenal national enterprise to be part of your inner alliance?

    • @K
      It is a non-binding and symbolic declaration – and as such there is nothing wrong with that. Israel itself has expressed willingness to recognize an autonomous Palestinian entity in the West-Bank since the present situation is indeed problematic and only an agreed formal framework is elusive.
      In the meantime the relationship between Israel and Greece has never been better (the improvement began with PM George Papandreou, whose grandfather PM, Andreas, got them practically ruined). I hope the government of Israel will not be naïve enough to let that change given some recent purported reconciliation with Turkey – few people here in Israel will forget the ugly way Erdogan spoke about Zionism and Israel, not that long ago. But as betraying “allies” became second nature for him: Israel, Assad and Kurds he pushed it too far with Russia.

    • @marnie
      Thanks for reminding me, in this context, of Adam Sandler. It is daytime now in the Holy Land this reminder of yours will surely make my day.
      You have to understand that given the numerous enemies of Israel - in Europe, the Islamic world and other countries like South Africa – the country relies heavily on a far smaller number of stalwart supporters. What makes this asymmetry is work is stature and talent within the latter group, as with Herentstein and Sandler - may God bless their souls.

    • All too often, I admit, reading what is “on sale” on this sight can be depressing. But then there are good moments too – and reading this article (after the necessary usual undertone adaptations) is one of those.
      It is nighttime now in the Holy land and this one will surely work towards some good dreams. And who knows they might even become reality?
      (consider it "a confession of a Zionist")
      Thanks Mr. Weiss.

  • Sanders warns U.S. against 'quagmire' of 'perpetual warfare' in Mideast for 20, 30 years
    • Just a minute, sorry to interrupt, but the title is about Sanders and wars in the Mid-East but I am shocked not to see Palestine mentioned even ONCE in the discussion above! (but mentioned in the article)
      Could it be that the issue lost importance in the present general Mid-East context?

  • Large majority of Palestinians in WB and Gaza think a full scale Intifada is on the horizon
    • @ diaspora
      Yes, regarding your last paragraph, I have to agree (and it is elaborated in my earlier comment) - this saga is unfortunately for the long haul. Life is full with such situations – problems that don`t have easy solutions, or at all, and that includes the political-security realm.
      But then who knows? History is also full with surprises – if you told somebody in Europe in 1916 or 1936 that just few decades later there will be some kind of a lasting peace there, and even some EU format, they would have sent you to check your head. “Life is also about patience” as they say.

    • @Annie
      My sense of what goes on in the world is that, as already happened before, what takes place here is just a harbinger for what will happen elsewhere – Israel is simply the first to experience things (terror, airplanes hijacking and the victimhood parlance that justifies all that) because of its particular vulnerabilities. I wonder how people in the US, including you, will react when these troubles come in earnest closer to home – as they already began – and likewise in Europe, who loves preaching to us. That would be the real test.

    • @ Diaspora “You need to choose between safety and occupation”
      Don`t be ridiculous. Every sane Israeli believes that leaving the West-Bank, probably to Hamas rule, will make Israel`s safety infinitely worse. Following the Oslo accord when Arafat gained back a lot of the West-Bank we had the Second Intifada. Then, we may have from there a repeat of the Gaza saga – missiles launching into Israel from tunnels, only this time from right near the heartland of Israel.
      No matter how long the stabbings will continue the present situation is a piece of cake compared to what expects Israel if it abandons military control over the west-Bank.
      Truly and sadly, chances are that Israel will never have real security whatever it does – because it is its very existence that is most likely is the key problem for many.
      This is the price of being in this region (just note what goes on in around) – it has to be paid, no other choice. What`s left to be done is to try to minimize it and you can bet that many brains in Israel are now busy thinking about how to deal effectively with this phenomenon. And here there is at least, some “good news” for Israel – it has generally become prosperous partly from similar inventions in the past.

    • @ zaid “you have a history of giving false predictions…”
      Are you not a bit impatient? My prediction of just months ago was not supposed, or claimed, to happen instantly. Did you not follow the last elections there (in France)? Or what goes on too in other countries in Europe in similar regards and also in the US?
      In my view the trends can`t be clearer. What is taking place in the world now is some kind of a new type of a world-war – done generally under a similar political-religious ideology and takes place simultaneously all around the world - mainly in the Mid-East, Europe, Africa and the US.
      There is no telling how it will develop because such within-country, rather than between countries, global war has no precedence. It is a product of today`s advanced state of the globalization process cum the dramatic technology advances plus a ubiquitous media (which is essential for terror to make a big impact) – a situation and combination that the world have never had before.
      But this global drama of today is a process, a build-up - something to watch over time and, likely for a very long time.

    • @mooser: “and today`s US and CIA will come to the aid of the Palestinians”
      Only if Trump is elected

    • @Annie
      I think a general problem with your outlook is that it does not seem to change with circumstances. You got to take into account that what you call Israel`s isolation or dependence is marginal compared to the effects of recent major world developments, which combined create an altogether new situation in the world, which affects Israel too. As with what is happening in Europe, with immigrants and terror, the US developing new attitude – far more assertive - to Islamism (which will take a more pronounced effect with a new president in the US – listen to ALL main candidates), the continued upheaval in the Mid-East in, the developments with turkey (which now seeks to reconcile with Israel), The new Iran posturing, Jordan`s tightened yup links to Israel, Egypt`s new attitude to Israel and so on an don – there is a lot on the plate here and yet your outlook seem to be stuck where it ever was - and that` s to me unrealistic.

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