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  • 'Israel is the home of all Jews,' declares a right-wing official
    • Large numbers of Ethiopians have relocated in the US over the past several decades. Apparently they could call themselves Jews, and "return" to Israel as a matter of rights?

  • 'NYT' abided by Israeli gag order even as 'EI' scooped it repeatedly
  • Friedman prepares American Jews for a divorce from zealot Israel
    • I think Friedman has comprehended for a number of years that the Israeli goose may be cooked if the Israeli army does not leave the West Bank.

    • Perhaps Tom Friedman will explain to the American public the extreme stupidity of the US Congress, in rewarding Israel's illegal colonisation programme in the West Bank.

  • Palestinian writers bring Gaza's hardships to American audience
    • Bravo. More Americans simply need to know what Israel gets up to in Gaza. Slaughtering civilians, etc etc.

  • Alterman says BDS is helping Netanyahu
    • Good point, Talknic.

    • Early on, Hillary C apparently was willing to try to stop the growth of the illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank, but she saw little backing in the White House for doing this. Sadly. And Dennis Ross was apparently in the lead, in urging Obama not to stop the growth of the illegal colonies of Jews.

    • Nixon seems to have been keen to pull US troops out of South Vietnam fairly rapidly, after gaining the White House, but Kissinger argued for delay.

    • Very interesting piece. I think a growing BDS movement can help Israel by making retention of colonies in the West Bank more difficult.

  • You know Israel's in trouble when 'NYT' runs op-ed saying it's replacing Iran as isolated theocracy
    • This indeed was a welcome opinion piece in the NYT. However, I tend to think more intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews in the US is actually a good thing for Israel's own true best interests.

  • About that special relationship...
    • Russia had agreed Crimea was part of Ukraine, but the opportunity to take it back presented itself. Ill-considered actions by the US in dealing with Russia helped to create the sitation.

    • Marsha B. Cohen has an interesting piece at lobelog.com regarding Israel's dealings with various Russian billionaires, many of whom are Jews.

  • Amira Hass predicts Israel's 'colonial project' will eventually fail--but at what cost?
    • @libra - - I have hope, but obviously not total confidence, that Palestine can emerge even if it makes many more years. Israel clearly intends to change the borders by growing the illegal colonies of Jews. My own view is that if large numbers of Jews find themselves living in Palestine, they will simply have to deal with it by obeying laws of Palestine or by getting out of the country.

    • Whether this in fact is "the real question" is itself open to question.

    • Activities that send Muslims to prison (if they help the Palestinians) result in no sanctions for Jews (if they "help" Israel). More often than not?

    • Perhaps we should remember that the Armenian Patriarch warned against Armenian nationalism, within the Ottoman Empire. Prior to Armenian "genocide".

    • I too think the Palestinians can play the long game and end up with independent state comprising 22% of what was Palestine in 1946. Perhaps slightly more than 22%.

  • 6 DC heavyweights tell Kerry, Netanyahu in West Bank is like Putin in Crimea
    • Thanks, John.

    • Chronic corruption in Ukraine is viewed as a problem by the EU and by Russia.

    • Obama's generals were not keen on Ukriane's admission to Nato. I think it was unlikely. And I think Russia's continuing use of its naval bases in Crimea was not seriously threatened (despite noises made to that effect by opportunistic politicians).

    • Krushchev from an ethnic Russian from Kharkov, but his wife had roots in western Ukraine. His grandaughter teaches at Princeton.

    • @Puppies - - If you are arguing in effect that the proposal to abolish Russian as an offical language in areas of Ukraine where it was one, was foolish, I agree with you. I doubt it was going to happen, however.

    • Great post, John. That the report would suppress the truth, about the great damage done to the US due to its foolish encouragement of Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, is not surprising.

    • Ethnic Russians in former Soviet Republics could of course relocate in Russia. The Baltics require a certain level of fluency in the language of each country, for citizenship in that country. This has led to a good number of Russian-speakers lacking citizenship.

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    • I agree, Kathleen. And we remember Zbig a few years ago said the US should shoot down any Israeli jets trying to fly over Iraq enroute to attacking Iran.

    • I think John Kerry in fact would like to see Israel out of the West Bank.

    • @Puppies - - You appear unaware of a big factor that helped to bring about collapse of the USSR. Conscripts from Central Asia in Soviet army did much of the construction work in Moscow, Leningrad and other cities within Russia, but upon discharge they were forced to return to Central Asia.

    • The proposed action removing Russian as a second official language in parts of Ukraine, was suspended.

    • Lee Hamilton and James Baker told GW Bush to make deals with Iran and Syria, and get all US troops out of Iraq asap. Great advice, and Bush blundered badly by not taking it.

      Pollard aspect is interesting, Kathleen.

    • The Soviet Union's policy was to try to prevent Muslims from Central Asian Soviet Republics from relocating to Moscow or Leningrad. The decline of the Great Russian element of the population of the USSR was a factor helping to lead toward collapse.

    • Sadly, too few Americans comprehend that American support for ongoing oppression of the Palestinians helped to cause or bring on the "9/11" attacks.
      Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon was also a primary factor in Osama bin Laden's hatred of the US.

    • @Puppies - - I was not an enthusiast for the events in Kiev that ended up with quite a few people shot and with the presdient of the country overthrown.

      That said, a stable, prosperous Ukraine would be a good thing for Russia.

    • Bravo, for Lee Hamilton's asking publicly why they did it (attacked the US on "9/11").

      One reason was Israel's continuing oppression of the Palestinians, as aided and abetted by the US.

    • Correct: it has nothing to do with Israel's security.

    • Perhaps the average American can grasp the concept of Israel within its 1966 borders as being 78% of what was Palestine in 1946? If he or she hears it enough?

    • I think it was unlikely Ukraine was getting near to gaining membership in Nato. And continuing Russian use of its naval bases in Crimea was not seriously threatened, in my view.

      Neocons were seeking Ukrainian membership in Nato, is is true. They also seek Georgia's and Israel's membership in Nato. Bad ideas all round.

    • Didn't Lee Hamilton tell GW Bush in 2006 to make deals with Iran and Syria and get all US troops out of Iraq asap? Good advice, but not taken.

    • The overthrow of the president of Ukraine was not likely to "weaken" Russia. In fact, Russia would gain from a more stable, prosperous Ukraine.

    • Bravo, six "heavyweights". More prominent poeple need to say publicly that Israel needs to get out of the West Bank.

  • State Dep't tries to clean up Kerry's 'Poof'
    • Obviously the US very foolishly aids and abets the growth of illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank. "Protects" the illegal programme, day in and day out.

    • John Kerry of cours was quite right, that Israel is responsible for the breakdown or near-breakdown in the talks. By continuing to grow illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank.

  • 'Poof' -- Kerry blames Israel for breakdown of talks (Updated)
    • John Kerry should state openly that Israel's continuing illegal settlement programme in the West Bank is the largest problem.

  • When Anja Niedringhaus went to Gaza
    • Rico, if you think there is no coming and going from Gaza, even if limited substantially, you simply are mistaken.

    • @Seafoid - - It would be fine with me if Israel annexed West Bank and Gaza, and gave all people same voting rights. It would lead to change of name of the country to Palestine. Fine with me. But not likely to happen, in my view.

    • @Just - - If you want to think nothing changed when Israel pulled its army out of the Gaza Strip, that of course is your prerogative.

    • @Annie - - Israel has been oppressive in its treatment of Gaza. But, living in Gaza is not the same thing as being confined to prison. Close, in some ways.

    • One difference is that people living in Gaza to some extent can leave, should they choose to do so.

      I am in no way a fan of Israel's treatment of Gaza.

    • @Puppies- - Israeli troops were WITHDRAWN from Gaza.

    • @Puppies - - My point is that Israel has not annexed the Gaza Strip and it is highly unlikely Israel could be forced to annex the Gaza Strip. Yes, of course, Gaza is a giant outdoor prison, and Israeli soldiers sometimes seem to kill people in the Gaza Strip for the fun of it.

    • Gaza Strip is in some ways a giant outdoor prison, controlled by Israel. With some help from Egypt.

    • Surely Israel in fact withdrew from the Gaza Strip, Puppies.

    • I find it very hard to conceive any annexation of the Gaza Strip by Israel.

    • How very sad she was murdered in Afghanistan.

  • Adelson would install Netanyahu in the White House if he had his druthers -- Avnery
    • The US should make sure Iran receives all the benefits from the interim deal it made with the P5+1. A final deal would open a huge market to Boeing.

    • Fine post.

    • Does Tom Friedman think Israel "won" the Sinai, in the 1967 war?

    • Yes, compare Tom Friedman to Charles Krauthammer. The latter is one of the most aggressive warmongers writing a column for a major US newspaper.

    • Apparently Obama still rates Friedman #1 as foreign policy pundit he is inclined to read.

    • American presidents are obliged to be "pro-Israel".

    • Thanks, Kathleen. Friedman also seems to be trying to reinforce the argument that Hamas is blocking a deal between Israel and the Palestinians (an argument that I think is false).

    • Given how loudly Adelson trumpets his wish that Israel do its best to drive the Palestinians out of the West Bank, it is very interesting NPR is silent on this issue.

    • @Kathleen - - I too of course deplore Friedman's seemingly obvious attempt to reinforce the anti-Iran propaganda line, that Iran wants to "destroy" Israel.

    • True, Obama has been trying to help the Iraqi central government despite obviously being aware that government is friendly toward Iran.

    • @Puppies - - France occupied parts of Germany at end of Second World War. Friedman would not say France "won" those territories, simply because France occupied them. So, why say Israel "won" the West Bank? It has not "won" it, at this time at least.

    • But Tom Friedman perhaps should not say Israel "won" the West Bank in 1967. Did France "win" significant territories in Germany, in 1944-45?

    • Kathleen, did you read Tom Friedman's column in the New York Times today? He accuses Iran (and Khamenei) of effectively working with Adelson to prevent Israel from ending the occupation of the WB.

    • How very interesting that NPR would do a piece on Sheldon Adelson and not mention Israel.

  • US is 'absolutely adamant' that Palestine not go to ICC and wreck the peace process -- Power
    • Various Israeli leaders have had differences of opinion, as to whether Israel should try to keep some or all of the WB.

    • Hitler pulled Germany out of the League of Nations.

    • We do need a Middle East zone free of nukes, and Israel is of course blocking it.

    • I tend to think UN admission of Palestine with "1967" borders would actually be in Israel's best interests.

    • I think full assimilation into its own region is in Israel's best interests. Granted, many Israelis want the country to be in effect a part of Europe.

    • Surely Gingrich knows that one reason for the American Revolution was that many Colonists did not want to pay for their own defence after the removal by Britain of the French threat in Quebec.

      Another reason is that land-hungry settlers and property speculators in the Colonies wanted to take over Indian lands west of the Appalachians, and Britain was trying to prevent this.

    • I think Israel sees membership by Palestine in the UN as something that would make it more dififcult to steal more of the West Bank etc etc.

    • Perhaps raising awkward questions is a good idea, for Power.

    • True. Every flat, every house, for "settlers", is illegal.

    • Probably it is a good thing if Power continues to think Israel would need to be stopped in its tracks, if it starts effort to drive the Palestinians out of WB.

    • One wonders if Power might actually think it would be a good thing if Palestine were to be admitted to UN as full member?

    • Perhpas we should welcome a statement by Power, re: damage to US interests, if the US backs calls for "punishing" UN agencies etc?

    • Power is right that the US should not "de-fund" UN agencies in which Palestine is a member.

  • 'NYT' readers who objected to calling Abbas 'defiant' have a point, public editor rules
  • 'NYT' stamps Jimmy Carter 'radioactive' and not 'a force for good'
    • Yes, Carter failed in his effort to get Israel out of West Bank, Gaza and Golan. And Sadat got killed, partly as result.

    • If criticism of Israel becomes "fashionable" in the US, I think this actually would be a good thing for Israel.

    • Jimmy Carter was in a Seattle (Washington) bookstore Monday this past week, signing his new book. No mention in the local newspaper, apparently.

  • 'A Painful Price': The escalating war on Palestine solidarity at U of Michigan and beyond
    • @Puppies - - Woody claimed that "no one" on the planet would give a sh*t about Israel, if the US ended its support. This contention obviously is not true. But you seem to object to my rebuttal. Why?

    • I assume some Christians with origins in Palestine before creation of Israel, would be kept on same side of the wall as Muslims with same origins. And, of course, some Palestinians do not regard themselves as Arabs.

    • But Muslim citizens of Israel are not being stripped of their voting rights, are they? Some are being walled off, clearly.

    • I agree Israel's actions to some extent are given approval and encouragement, by rich and powerful Jews in other countries. Making the problem worse.

    • Thanks, Woody. And yes, fascist movements are inevitably "nationalist". Hi Chi Minh went with communism simply as a practical matter, especially given the rejection by the US of his wish to cooperate with America in ending French colonial presence in Indo-China.

    • The walls built in some towns etc are intended to keep Jews on one side, and Muslims on the other. (Maybe some Christians would also be on the Muslim side.)
      In Israel.

    • China is "legitimate" but no bother there with "one man, one vote".

    • Some rich Arabs are providing finance for Middle Eastern studies, in Britain and the US. This might help protect such studies.

    • Carter was punished for having forced Israel out of the Sinai. Carter was suspected, correctly, of intending to get Israel out of the other occupied territories.

      I heard Carter was in a bookstore in Seattle, Washington State early this week, signing new book But no mention in the newspaper, apparently.

    • I think the primary issue is Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, within Palestine. Rather than unfairness to Muslims (and Christians) in Israel proper.

    • There are places within Israel (that is, within 1966 borders), where separation barriers have been put up to keep Jews and Muslims separate.

    • The key fact re: South Africa remains simply that there were far too many blacks, and far too few whites, for the whites to keep control of the country. When a way out of the dilemma appeared, that way out was taken.

    • Communist movement in Vietnam was a nationalist movement.

    • I am well aware of the suffering, exploitation etc etc in Germany in the wake of the catastrophic First World War, and civil war in Germany after that war.

    • @Woody - - I assumed you would not give a fig for the opinion of many rich, powerful Jews in various countries around the world, who have a deep concern for Israel. However, leaders of many countries do give a fig. Or more.

    • The EU indeed should be more involved, in forcing a deal through on Israel/Palestine.

    • Crucial fact in the context of South Africa: blacks outnumbered whites by a wide margin that grew wider day by day.

    • Important objection (so-called "decadence" ofWeimar).

    • Surely you do not expect many Jews around the world, not to continue to take a considerable interest in Israel?

    • Very interesting reeport, and a bit disturbing. How much effort is going into campaign to "de-fund" Middle East studies programmes?

  • An open letter to J Street: Let's talk
    • I think JL Warner's analysis is correct.

    • I very much doubt military force is the solution to the problem of Israel/Palestine.

    • You spell out the gameplan of some Israeli leaders, no doubt.

    • And the Palestinians gave maps to the Israelis years ago, at Taba, Egypt. Israel should have taken the deal.

    • A Palestinian news agency said yesterday Abbas will continue to defend the Green Line as Palestine's border, as much as possible.

    • Idea in SA was to assign a homeland to as many blacks living in SA as possible, so that those blacks could not vote in SA elections.

    • And Obama is unable or unwilling to stop the growth of the illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank.

    • Interesting and well-argued points, in this letter. But it assumes that areas of Palestine with too many Jews must become part of Israel.

  • MJ Rosenberg’s conundrum
    • I think the Palestinians have made clear they rrecognise Israel's right to exist. And apparently Abbas will continue to defend the Green Line as Palestine's border with Israel, as much as possible.

    • The great Henry Clay, and Abraham Lincoln, thought the best thing for blacks freed from slavery, was to return them to Africa. Lincoln, quite sensibly, wanted to issue bonds to buy out the slaveowners (in the way the British government had done).

    • In fairness to MJ Rosenberg, surely there are few who post on this site, who think an Israel (including West Bank) that became majority non-Jewish, would continue to be "Israel".

  • Liberal schizophrenia and moral myopia: On Ari Shavit's 'My Promised Land'
    • The illegal colonies of Jews are a creeping annexation, in the hopes of Zionist-expansionists. In my view, the fact Jews live in flats or houses in an area of Palestine, does not mean that area should become part of Israel.

    • ALL Arab leaders endorsed the 2002 Saudi Peace Plan and agreed the Palestinians would have to accept Israel within its pre-1967 borders. The only country that can alter this calculus is Israel, by failing to get out of the West bank.

    • Interesting assessment, but most of the countries on the planet support the viewpoint that Israel within its pre-1967 borders is acceptable. The problem is the occupation.

  • It's the borders, stupid
    • Palestine's border would be the Green Line. ("pre-1967" border)

      I doubt currently illegal setters would be as foolish as you seem to think they would be.

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