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  • #JusticeForMikeBrown: NFL star Reggie Bush connects Ferguson to Palestine
    • Reply to Annie - you say that Israel is a colony of "a political power" within various "territories". OK - in that case, Israel is a colony of Jewish supremacy within Western countries.

      "now, i look forward to you asserting there is no outside political power propping up their colony called israel"

      I don't say if this political power is 'outside'. As long as you call it what it is - Jewish ethnic power - and don't hide this by confusing it with Western "imperialism, racism, and colonialism", like the left-wing-dominated Palestine solidarity movement currently does, I have no problem calling it a 'colony'.

    • To Annie: that's a well-argued reply, but sorry, Israel is not colonialism. Wikipedia uses the vague term 'territory', and Chomsky and co. have replaced the concept "bourgeoisie" with the vaguer and more politically acceptable term "elites":

      "the territory of the colonizers came from was primarily europe and russia but currently it’s primarily a US project and colony of US elites"

      Then Israel is not a colony of a "territory", let alone a nation.

      "zionist/elites of the “nation” of jewish people in the diaspora"

      Are Jewish people being oppressed by their 'elites' too?

      "support our colonialist project and to a lessor extent pay fealty to “a political power” (represented by lobby)"

      No, it's the other way round. Israel is not a colonialist project of the vague "elites". It's the imposition of racial supremacy by some Jews (some rich, some poor), supported by many Jews. Many gentiles also support them. They are making a mistake - most Americans, rich and poor, have no interest in the Jewish state. The 'lobby' is not 'to a lessor extent'!

      Do look up my "Faithful Circle" on Dissident Voice. And Jeff Blankfort, and Michael Neumann. And of course, Gilad Atzmon.

    • In Britain, someone like Michael Brown would be dealt with by unarmed police. If it is true that he had violently robbed a store, and was a big guy, but was unarmed, they'd sent four coppers after him, without guns. No-one would get killed.

      Whatever I say about 'racism' ( that there is NO evidence that Brown was a victim of it, and America is one of the least racist societies in history), I definitely think its justice system is barbaric.

    • oldgeezer - 'Something is either racism free or it’s racist.' No, that's unrealistic. South Africa today isn't racism free, but it's a helluva lot less racist than it was under apartheid. Same with all the other Western countries, bar one.

    • Annie - 'clearly we have different views of zionist if you do not believe it is a colonialist movement'. 'Colonialism' refers to nations occupying areas of the world by force, such as the British Empire. Which nation is Israel a colony of?

    • "the worst and longest running occupation in existence today, and at the same time be part of a broader imperialist-colonialist struggle". Nope. The current problem in Palestine started when it was abandoned by imperialism and colonialism - British imperialism and colonalism - and occupied by Jews. However, the term 'the occupation' is always used to mean just the West Bank and the Gaza Strip - as if occupying Ramallah is less legitimate than occupying Haifa, which is in Israel 'proper'.

      'dominated by the anti white gentile left? what are you talking about?': see my numerous online articles about the myth of contemporary white racism. For example, my response to 'Dissident Voice', 'Yes, the West is Comparatively Racism Free'.

    • The Guardian agrees with Annie in describing the events in Missouri as a symptom of 'racism': 'These days, we have “racism without racists”, as the sociologist Eduardo Bonilla-Silva puts it':
      link to theguardian.com

      It fails to mention that Bonilla-Silva is one of the eighty-eight professors at Duke University who signed a statement that three white students were guilty of rape, solely on the basis that they were accused by a black woman. Though her allegation was clearly false, the university, the local police, the DA, and most of the national media, repeated her lies. The case of the Duke three is far more clearly a case of racial discrimination than the shooting of Michael Brown. Their ethnicity (plus their gender and supposed economic advantages) worked against them, in the hysterical liberal atmosphere of modern America.

    • “exchange information between Palestinians and US social movements fighting related issues of racism, colonialism, and attacks on education.”?

      This kind of thing is hopelessly ineffective for the Palestinian cause. In the first place, it's simply not true that Palestinians and Americans face anything like the same issues. In the second place, the only way Palestinians can win is by convincing ordinary Western people that the vast majority of them have no interest in supporting the Jewish state at all. This is not achieved by resurrecting Mao Zedong and haranguing Joe Sixpack for having 'white privilege', and I suspect some of the loud leftists who dominate Palestine solidarity know this.

    • "The Palestinian struggle is not a unique one and is part of the broader imperialist-colonialist struggle that many people worldwide are victims of."

      Thanks for this. One couldn't hope for a more succint explanation of why the Palestinian struggle has been so unsuccessful. It's because it's dominated by the anti-imperialist, anti-white-gentile left. The Palestinian struggle IS a unique one. It's the only struggle against overt, legalized, official racial oppression by a Western country today. Attempting to deny this by amalgamating it with much less serious and more complex issues like minority poverty and police violence in the USA is guaranteed to continue this failure.

      I hope Reggie Bush gets over his injuries and gets back to doing what he's good at.

    • Here's the reason the grand jury refused to charge Darren Wilson - the witness statements against him wouldn't stand up in court: link to hosted2.ap.org

    • This is a reply to "Marnie" above. Small correction - Leo Frank wasn't murdered by the Klan, and he wasn't murdered for being Jewish. He had been convicted of raping a minor, and his death sentence had been commuted. In The Georgia public was pro-death, so it abducted him from prison and hanged him from a tree. The Anti-Defamation League has been trying to paint this as the one anti-semitic lynching in American history ever since.

    • There is no evidence that the tragic death of Michael Brown had anything to do with race. When a white person, even a cop, shoots a black person, it does not prove they are racist. To do that, you would have to show they treat white people differently in the same circumstances.

      Whereas the Palestine question has everything to do with ethnicity. There is no doubt that the Jewish state is entirely a project of racial supremacy. It is tasteless to compare Palestine with even the worst ghetto in America.

      Isn't it boring when black celebrities comment on events, certain that racism must have been involved, when they have no evidence? And isn't it predictable how liberals follow them?

  • The Minds of Others: An interview with Max Blumenthal
    • "Zionism is proscribed as part of the hegemonic narrative that’s imposed on everyone and used to advance the culture of whiteness". Presumably, that's a misprint for "prescribed"!

      Blumenthal's robotic repetition of leftist cliches about "hegemony" and "whiteness" could be amusing. But they serve a useful purpose in amalgamating the powerful force of Jewish supremacy with the left's phantom opponent, whiteness, making it hader to understand Zionism for what it really is.

    • So Max Blumenthal doesn't like Germans. Perhaps they should repay the compliment, but you know what they'd be accused of.

      "Yes, this is a sick society that hasn’t addressed the core political and psychological and social trends that lead to the Holocaust." Not true - whereas the countries which won WW II haven't "addressed" the crimes they committed doing so, Germans are always agonizing about them. Minimizing these crimes attracts a prison sentence. Whereas in the USA, the justification for the bombing of Hiroshima is debatable. There are even Germans who demonstrate every February in Dresden, saying the Allied bombing of that city was justified.

      Yet Blumenthal also admits "because of the Holocaust, Germany gives Israel discounted Corvette boats to attack fishermen in the Gaza Strip". If Germany gave up worrying about the Holocaust, it would be less inclined to support Israel. But this is not what Blumenthal means by "addressing "the core political and psychological and social trends".

      He even says that guilt about the Holocaust is part of the thing that caused it. It's damned if you do, and damned it you don't. As with a number of left-wing Jewish authors, beneath his pseudo-academic psychobabble is dislike of gentiles.

  • A handful of Wellesley students are trying to shut down discussion of Israel/Palestine
    • "We agree with Ms. Cohen’s statement that at times, “intense anti-Israel sentiment bleeds into anti-Semitism.”... full understanding of these concerns... resist all forms of oppression – not just anti-Palestinian animus... but anti-Semitism as well."

      As long as Palestine solidarity grovels and appeases its oppressors, it will lose.

  • Muslims' beliefs are 'untrue' and 'ridiculous,' 'Salon' author says, offering support for Maher's intolerance
    • "So I guess we can now criticize Judaism with no comparisons or context?" Sure. Why not? Why do you have to compare misogynistic, genocidal creeds with others? What do you mean by 'context'? 'Oh, they couldn't help it, it was the times they lived in' - like Karen Armstrong?

    • I have to withdraw my statement that Karen Armstrong converted to Islam. It was the result of reading her apologia: 'Muhammad: A Prophet For Our Time'. However, the response 'you obviously try to smear/lie about anyone who actually has anything positive and informed to say about Islam' is a bit over the top. I genuinely believe what I say about Islam and other religions.

    • Bill Maher was right not to read a book by Karen Armstrong. I wasted my time reading one of her books once. She's a once-Catholic nun who converted to Islam. I remember her apologies for stoning people to death - it was that people had different standards in those days. She should be regarded with Dawkins/Harris/Denett/Hitchens contempt.

    • "the religious beliefs in question are untrue and even ridiculous".
      This criticism of Islam doesn't imply that the virgin birth, the parting of the Red Sea, the burning bush, etc. are any more true or less ridiculous. You can criticize the barbarity and moronity of Islam without being obliged to criticize other religions at the same time.

  • 'Take your Ebola ass and get out': L.A. confrontation highlights relationship between Zionism and anti-black racism
    • "A much larger culture of bigotry and hate in Israel and among some pro-Israel supporters internationally". Some pro-Israel supporters? It's good to hear there are supporters of ethnic cleansing who don't advocate bigotry and hate.

      This piece falls into the category of articles which try to make Israel look like a normal Western country, one which can be reformed to make it less 'bigoted'. South Africa, yes. Israel, no.

  • Sh*tstirring Jeffrey Goldberg dumps diplomatic sh*tstorm with 'chickensh*t' quote
    • Mooser - that's just an 'official' saying it's a 'good' thing Netanyahu is scared to launch wars. In any case, when the USA criticizes Israel for launching a war, it's because it thinks a war is against Zionist interests. Since this story blew up, the US secretary of defense - supposedly one of the most powerful men in the world - has had to apologize for his officials' honesty. Almost all American politicians suck. What they suck, I can't really say on a family-friendly site like this.

    • It's worth noting that by calling Netanyahu 'chickenshit', the State Department is criticizing Israel for not being aggressive enough toward Iran. In other words, it's a dispute within Zionism about how to defend Israeli supremacy.

  • Under pretext of restoring calm, Netanyahu government is escalating Israel’s war on Palestinians in Jerusalem
  • Bus ads hitting US aid for Israeli 'war crimes' roll in Portland (after ban in Seattle)
    • I just saw one of these posters on a Portland bus. It's easy for Zionists to answer this argument. See the comments on Rod Such's piece in The Oregonian:
      link to oregonlive.com
      "Israel's ongoing violations" implies that Israel merely needs to change its behavior, like South Africa did. But Israel doesn't do ethnic cleansing. Israel is ethnic cleansing.

  • Allegations of anti-Semitism used to cover up anti-Palestinian hate crime in Brooklyn
    • This story is a clear illustration of the reasons for the failure of the Palestine solidarity movement. Its members really seem to think they can use left-wing morality to liberate the Palestinians. "The New York City Palestine Solidarity network “strongly condemn[ed] anti-Semitism, Islamophobia and all forms of racism,” noting that “phony accusations of anti-Semitism undermine and take lightly the seriousness and danger of true anti-Semitism.”". Why on earth would a Palestine solidarity network care about "anti-Semitism"?

  • AIPAC rabbi calls for 'militant nonviolent resistance' to racial injustice in St. Louis
    • "I don’t think you can be for justice in Ferguson as a Jew and not confront the intolerance in our community epitomized by AIPAC."

      I'm sorry, but that's exactly what you can be "as a Jew". A strong sense of ethnic identity logically leads to support for minorities when you are in a minority, and racism when you're a majority.

  • Israel's Dead Soul: Steven Salaita's critical scholarship explains his dismissal from the University of Illinois
    • Great article. Salaita's demonstration that the Anti-Defamation League, according to its own criteria, is a hate group, is surely one of the reasons the cowardly, groveling aparatchiks at the University of Illinois fired him.

  • Salaita says UI appeased 'a few wealthy donors' and destroyed his career
    • "We want to exercise power with our brains, with our young social justice activists, with our fresh brave universalists."

      I'll say this for Philip Weiss - he doesn't give up easily. Does he really believe it's possible to convince the organizations of Jewish power in the USA to stop exercising power in the way that works, in favor of some other way? There was over-representation of Jews among "social justice activists" in American history - but that was when it was in their interests!

  • Salaita's hire set off fundraising alarm at U of Illinois, per emails to chancellor
    • "Young Jews are ever more distant from Zionism." Oh good! All we have to do is wait, and American support for Israel will gradually disappear.

  • 'Common Dreams' website traps Hasbara troll spewing anti-Semitism
    • "Indeed the vast majority of Palestinian supporters bend over backwards to ensure that there is no hint of anti-Semitism in their work or discussions." This is true. At any BDS protest, you'll see and hear people making concessions to their critics, saying that criticizing Israel is not "anti-semitic", as if they have to prove something to Zionists. The anti-apartheid movement didn't worry about "anti-whiteism", but the Palestine solidarity movement is far too concerned with "anti-semitism".

    • One wonders how many racist comments online are fake. Or even whole websites, Nazi organizations and so on. How much is produced by lone provocateurs like this "Jason Beck" guy, or by organizations like the Anti-Defamation League.

  • Anti-occupation activists in New York blast United Jewish Appeal for supporting attacks on Gaza
    • "Anti-occupation activists in New York blast United Jewish Appeal for supporting attacks on Gaza" - why? Do they expect the United Jewish Appeal do anything else?

  • 'I mourn my Jewish community, which seeks to justify these inexcusable acts'
    • "One participant talked about his family’s experiences in the Holocaust. He explained that no amount of violence, of killing of civilians, is going to bring about security."

      But suppose a certain amount of violence, of killing of civilians, would bring about security. Would Susannah Nachenberg be in favor of it? And if not, why mention it?

  • Amid fierce debate, members of German think tank take a stand on Gaza
    • "Germany – deliberately, by its actions and by its silence – turns itself into an accomplice in keeping the occupation functioning and running". WWII German guilt is a major reason for this. The Rosa Luxemburg Foundation is saturated in it.

  • Jewish Voice for Peace stomps AIPAC and J Street in latest online traffic figures
    • It's a common mistake to think that being denounced by The Anti-Defamation League is to an organization's credit. The ADL and other Zionist organizations use hysterical language to criticize moderate, or completely ineffective, anti-Zionist groups. Consciously or not, this gives these groups more credit than they would otherwise have.

  • Man who saved Jewish boy in Holocaust acts to save Israel from 'racist... quagmire'
    • Henk Zanoli "...acts to save Israel from ‘racist… quagmire’" - really? How could you save Israel from racism? It would have to change its constitution so that citizenship is defined as anyone born in Palestine or whose recent (a few generations) ancestors were born in Palestine, rather than Jews from everywhere. It would immediately cease to be a Jewish majority state, in other words, it would cease to exist.

  • Israeli soldiers carved Stars of David in homes in Gaza, report Blumenthal and Cohen
    • Sorry, Mooser, it's not that "there really are no words". Max Blumenthal and others like him have plenty of words. For example, Blumental's book "Goliath" criticizes Israeli "racism", as if it is something which can be changed, like American, British or South African racism. He writes as if Israel could stop being "racist" the same way other Western states did.

    • "Most Muslims are not terrorists, whereas most Jews are Zionists." I wrote something similar on this page: link to mondoweiss.net - a far higher percentage of Jews support Israel than Muslims support ISIS - the two entities being roughly comparable except obviously Israel has a lot more blood on its hands.

    • “Soldiers vandalized the homes they occupied with this symbol. What sort of attitude might this encourage?” This is classic Blumenthal: Israel isn't politically correct.

      "In a month of indiscriminate bombardment, Israel has killed or injured almost twelve thousand people, including thousands of children" - link to mondoweiss.net

      If only Zionists could carry out ethnic cleansing without being offensive...

  • US branch of the Jewish 'family' owes the homeland 'unconditional love' -- Rosner
    • In absolute numbers, more Jews probably support Israel than Muslims support ISIS. There are about 100 times as many Muslims as Jews.

    • JeffB's comments about Americans and the IRA prove the opposite of what he intends. When George Mitchell told the British government, on behalf of the American government, to talk to the IRA, they did. When he tried the same thing in Israel, the opposite happened. Ted Kennedy supported the IRA. The Brits could do nothing about it. Whereas American politicians are fired for the slightest hint of deviation from groveling to the Jewish state. The relationships of Britain and Israel to the USA are exactly opposite: the dog wags the tail, and the tail wags the dog.

    • JeffB's list is simply a collection of politicians with Latino names. They don't lobby the US government to fund ethnic cleansing on their behalf. The US taxpayer doesn't send $8m per day to Mexican child-murderers. The USA doesn't suck up to Hispanic, black, or white ethnic supremacists.

    • seanmcbride - "If ethnic and religious nationalism is “good for the Jews,” it’s good for every other ethnic and religious group on the planet." If you believe in universal values, it is! But if you're special - not at all.

    • "JeffB" has a point. The phrase "led the charge" is too vague to use to pin down the real movers behind the Iraq catastrophe. Among the most influential advocates of that war, Jews are massively overrepresented. But so what? They were just expressing their opinion - "we think you should send your sons to die for Israel". What matters is interests. The Iraq war was in the interests of the Jewish neocons Frum, Feith, Abrams etc.. It was not in the interests of 60% of Americans. They were suckers.

    • seanmcbride: "If the UK became aggressive about promoting an Anglo-Christian agenda as official British policy, you and other Zionists would probably finally understand the distinction." No, they wouldn't. They see the Anglo-Christian agenda as 'hate' and 'racism'.

    • Mooser says "when people know I am Jewish, they assume I am Zionist". At one time, I would have said that's a racist assumption. Today, I'd be more likely to ask "why wouldn't they think that? why would you call yourself Jewish if you're not a Zionist?". How many other kinds of Jewishness are there, and what is the point of identifying with any of them?

    • Citizen: I admit I haven't done a scientific survey. My claim is impressionistic. However, having traveled quite a bit, and encountered numerous Muslims, from average Pakistanis, to extremist nuts in Hyde Park, London, and numerous Jews, from the founders of 'Jews Against Zionism' to nice, but Zionist, Israeli rock-climbers, plus a number of Jewish friends... Also, from a general impression of the popularity of Israel, compared with ISIS, among the population at large, I think it highly likely that Jews are far more likely to support supremacist violence than Muslims. I wonder why this is.

    • I'm sorry, Jabberwocky, but your comment inevitably leads to the following questions:
      - What percentage of the world's Muslims reject ISIS?
      - What percentage of the world's Jews reject Israel?
      You can bet that the second figure is much, much lower than the first.

    • "If they believe there is a need for Jewish sovereignty, Israel is the only option available to them…". Rosner's article is a remarkably clear explanation of the connection between Jewish identity and support for Israel. It's logical that more self-identified Jews listen to the likes of Shmuel Rosner than to Philip Weiss.

  • Is the firing of Steven Salaita the beginning of a new Blacklist?
    • It's not just Steven Salaita's freedom of speech that's being curtailed, it's his livelihood. Israeli academics are not granted freedom of expression by the US constitution, whereas American academics, like Steven Salaita, are.

    • Thanks, Miriam, for the link to Spiked Online. They're an interesting bunch of contrarians. They used to be an "anti-imperialist" group in Britain, highly critical of the rest of the left, often intelligently and sarcastically. Then they turned libertarian.

      The left in Britain is mostly Islamophile. It tolerates some offensive language about Jews among a small minority of Muslims which it opposes among white extremists. The Spiked Online crew see this as another opportunity to criticize the left. However, on this occasion, they are completely wrong.

    • "The new McCarthyism"? I'm not sure. Opposing the USA's unconditional support for Israel is in America's interests. McCarthyism was an attempt -- however unconstitutional and excessive -- to defend those interests against actual subversion of those interests. The Lobby's continuous attack on academic and other kinds of freedom is more analogous to the communist party than to McCarthyism.

    • Salaita is especially worth supporting because he says more than just leftist cliches about Palestine. He has the audacity to criticize the Lobby, for example, showing how the Anti-Defamation League is a 'hate group' according to its own criteria:

      link to electronicintifada.net

  • Professor Salaita was fired for disagreeing too vehemently with Professor Nelson
    • By the way, why does it always say Your comment is awaiting moderation? How does Mondoweiss know what my comments are thinking about?

  • 'We are all Palestinian'
    • “At a protest outside the Israeli Embassy last Friday, one guy had a placard drawing comparisons between the Nazis and Israel. Palestine Solidarity Campaign stewards asked for my help in persuading him to take it down, and he did. I think the PSC is taking active steps to stop this kind of thing featuring in the marches.”

      Says it all.

      link to haaretz.com

    • Hate to be a nattering nabob of negativism, but I'm not so impressed with these protests. In my experience, they are tightly controlled and harmless. More importantly, I totally reject the argument of Barnaby Raine and numerous other "Jews against Zionism". In a nutshell, this argument says that a strong sense of Jewish identity leads logically to opposing the worst excesses of Zionism, because Zionism is racist, and Jews have suffered from racism in the past. I'm sorry, but it doesn't follow at all, and that's why it's so completely ineffective. If it were true, it would be possible to persuade Zionists not to be Zionists on the grounds that it's against Jewish interests.

  • Steven Salaita case recalls blacklisting of Pete Seeger and Paul Robeson
    • "The Guardian" has shown its true colours in the last couple of weeks. There's been almost as much coverage about the rise of "anti-semitism" as there has been about the massacre of the Palestinians. Normally, it's a bit more subtle than the American Zionist press, but now Israel has provoked an exceptional degree of hostility, the liberal Zionists are trying to help out. But the articles about "anti-semitism" are so inept, it isn't working.

  • Gaza war gives rise to new Jewish group targeting Jewish institutions that support occupation
    • "We are alarmed and horrified by the death and destruction being committed in our name." Why are they concerned about it being committed "in our name"? Is their first concern the death and destruction, or the fact that it appears to give Jews a bad press? I was never specifically horrified by the crimes of apartheid because its organizers claimed to be standing up for the interests of white Europeans. Maybe I was wrong.

    • "A new Jewish group targeting Jewish institutions that support occupation". What, another one? Aren't there enough already? Why would you organize a "Jewish group" to oppose Jewish supremacy? Were there specifically white groups to oppose apartheid in South Africa? Aryans Against the Nazis? Proud White People Opposing Segregation?

  • Steven Salaita-- unremitting in criticism of Zionism and Gaza slaughter-- loses a job at University of Illinois
    • One of Salaita's best insights was to have pointed out that, according to its own criteria, the Anti Defamation League is a hate group: link to electronicintifada.net

      However, he has never taken this to its logical conclusion.

    • Krauss - not all ethno-nationalists are equal. If there are any Serbian nationalists in the USA, they are pretty harmless. What about the power of white nationalists in comparison to Jewish ones? I leave the answer to you.

  • Jews Say: End the War on Gaza — No Aid to Apartheid Israel!
    • "Jews Say: End the War on Gaza — No Aid to Apartheid Israel!"

      "Aryans Say: End the War on Soweto — No Aid to Apartheid South Africa!"

  • Not In Our Name: The Jewish duty to stand with the people of Gaza
    • How far can you take this "not in our name" slogan? Was the attack on Iraq not American? Is the imposition of shariah law un-Sudanese? Was the KKK un-white?

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