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  • An appeal to 'Radiohead,' the band that woke my soul to the Palestinian crisis
    • Hey ArafatHero: What's your Radiohead song?

    • Good piece, Jack Gain. Unfortunately, as Jonny Greenwood's wife appears to be a rather solid Zionist (take a quick look at her recent twitter feed...), my assumption is that so is Jonny. So I guess the options, as far as Radiohead supporting BDS, are either split up a marriage, or split up a band. Rather obviously Apartheid is a worse option than either of the those two in the big picture. But Radiohead doesn't see that. Bummer...

  • Ehud Barak says a Palestinian state would be 'non-viable'
    • Yes, amigo. And you basically beat me to it:

      Barak: “History will never forgive us if we don’t stop in time the new incarnation of Jewish blind zealousness and bigotry." Uhh... If we don't stop in time? You're a little late, Ehud. That train left the station 'bout a century ago.

  • Attacks on Israeli police in East Jerusalem are not terrorism
    • Thank you, Rima. Well written, direct, and true. As I commented on another article here at MW, this particular recent event that triggered your article (the killing of these three Palestinians and the one Israeli police officer), for some reason, feels to me like the kind of thing Israel uses as pretext for mass slaughter. I'm of course hoping my feeling is wrong. All the best to you...

  • Israel cancels 250,000 Palestinian permits to enter Israel during Ramadan after deadly attack
    • Is this it? Will this be the pretext/beginning of pretext? 2008-09 - Cast Lead; 2012 - Pillar of Defense; 2014 - Protective Edge; 2017 - [Insert Orwellian Name of Operation]?

  • Maqloube denied! Celebrating Ramadan dinner at the checkpoint in Hebron
  • 50 years of occupation: Palestinians recall the 6 days of the 1967 war
    • Excellent, Sheren Khalel. And thank you especially for giving Khalid Saifi and Mazuna Abu Srour a lot of space. I found the details of Saifi's experience particularly illuminating. Just incredible in so many ways. Reading this little article was like a palate cleanser after hearing the nauseating All Things Considered interview with A.B. Yehoshua earlier today on the radio in the car...

  • Fearless Palestinian village of Nabi Saleh defines popular protest
    • Every single person standing up to the IOF in this video is a hero. HEROES:

    • Thank you Dave, Miko, & the Tamimis for being brave and doing the right thing. All the best to you...

    • Thank you for the excellent article, David. Small note/point [correction?]: In the third pic down from the top of the article - the one w/ the caption "Nabi Saleh resident gives an Israeli police commander a piece of his mind." - the gentleman getting in the commander's face looks an awful lot like Miko Peled.

      More power to the Tamimi's!!!!!!!

  • If Trump is serious we may be seeing the most significant step in 20 years of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations
    • "Not to be too dismissive or negative, the Area C to Area B idea isn’t a serious one, if it even has been put forth behind closed doors. Israel would still have security control and can use the settlers to thwart any exercise of Palestinian rights created on paper, plus the details would likely be heavily favorable to Israel, where son-in-law and supposed peace envoy Jared Kushner (and his family) has massive conflicts of interest, including investments in Israeli settler housing.

      This.

      It reminds me of the "disengagement" from Gaza.

  • Liberal Jews stage sit-in to block annual 'Jerusalem Day' march into Muslim Quarter
    • @ Joe S.:

      jd65, first of all that is a silly thing to ask for. No group that purposely punts and takes unprincipled stances is going to admit that they are unprincipled.

      I assume my asking if I'd missed where INN referred to their organization as "Liberal Zionist" and suggesting you could point me in a direction to where they refer to themselves as such is the "silly thing" I'd asked for. I don't think it's silly. Plenty of people refer to themselves as Liberal Zionists. Not sure why you'd think it's silly for me to think that maybe they refer to themselves that way when you yourself call them that and I mentioned to you that I knew not much about them.

      ...by refusing to endorse BDS [INN is] effectively saying they oppose it for all intents and purposes.

      I don't agree w/ this. And I completely support BDS. It makes just as much sense to say that by refusing to condemn BDS, one endorses it. And that actually makes more sense, in my mind, than that inverse that you're saying. Keep in mind, I am personally all for BDS. Big time.

      This is similar to the issue of endorsing/condemning Zionism. If you don't "take a stand" on Zionism, are you opposed to it? Or if you refuse to take a stand on Zionism, are you endorsing it? I would call myself an anti-Zionist. And unless you're Gilad Atzmon, it should be fairly clear essentially what that means. Brant Rosen, on the other and, would (and does) refer to himself as "non-Zionist." I personally dislike that term. I think it's milk-toast. I think it's something Gil Scott-Heron would say an "Oatmeal Man" would say. However, I know for certain that Brant Rosen is not "pro-Zionism."

      So while, as I said the other day, while INN's failure to put out a unified statement supporting BDS and condemning Zionism as an organization is WEAK, I personally don't think it necessarily means they're "pro-Zionism" or "anti-BDS" either. I kinda understand how one may think it does mean that. But I'm not one of them. It feels too much like putting words into someone else's mouth.

      During an anti-ZOA protest, they allowed activists to hold up pro-Israel and pro-Zionist slogans (including the fascist “Am Israel Chai”) while ejecting Palestinian students and other anti-Zionists. In DC, they staged a sit-in against AIPAC while Palestinian community organizers had been organizing their own demonstration for weeks and INN had been asked repeatedly to support that instead.

      Now this is the kind of stuff that needs to be said and dealt with. And thank you for writing it. Allowing folks you're protesting with to hold up pro-Israel and pro-Zionist signs at an anti-ZOA protest is not only fucked up, it borders on unbelievable. Quite plainly it simply doesn't make any sense. This happened? Wow... And INN "ejecting Palestinian students and other anti-Zionists" from this protest? What in the world was the reason they gave for doing that? And INN not supporting/following the lead of their Palestinian brothers and sisters in the DC is a total drag as well. Do you have any stuff you can point me/us to to read more about those events?

      As to INN "holding a flashy sit-in" having "[t]he sole effect of... reset[ting] the discussion to diversity of opinions within the Jewish community, freezing out the Palestinians from having any agency even in Palestine itself," did INN actually "freeze out" Palestinians from this action? I'm not saying they didn't, but I haven't heard you, or anyone else, specifically say they did for this specific action. And this particular action could've been very dangerous for Palestinians to have participated in. So maybe it was just as well that this wasn't a joint action. Yes it's admittedly disgusting that Jewish Privilege resulted in one broken arm when the same action likely would've resulted in multiple fatalities and many worse injuries had the participants been Palestinian. But, assuming in this particular event there was no "freezing out" of Palestinian participants, the reason the result could be the discussion of difference of opinion within the Jewish community instead of a broader discussion of why "The Jewish State" is bullshit, is not necessarily the fault of the protesters themselves. Jews, just like everybody else on the planet, have the right to protest. There are good ways to go about it, and bad ways. This we know...

    • @ Joe S. & echino:

      I REALLY appreciate both of your responses. Busy all day w/ work, so I won't be able to take the time needed to respond fully until later tonight. For me (and I think broadly), this is an important and tough subject. Didn't want you to think I was blowin' off...

    • @ echinonococcus:

      "You seriously did not expect them to write on their shingle something like: 'We’re liberal-Zionists, working to control and deviate solidarity with Palestinian resistance and extend our illegal presence in Palestine', for example?" Sarcasm aside, I'm fairly certain that many individuals and groups/organizations openly refer to themselves as Liberal Zionist[s]. As much as most of us here @ MW believe that term to be oxymoronic (included),not veryone in the world shares our views/attitudes. And like I mentioned in my previous comment, I'm not that familiar w/ INN, so I thought that maybe they self-identified as Liberal Zionist. I didn't see that self-identification at their website and I certainly don't intend to spend time searching as I don't really care. As I mentioned to Joe above, if you'd like to point me to something that shows me this organization is "working to control and deviate solidarity with Palestinian resistance and extend [their] presence in Palestine" (apparently this is a working definition of "Liberal Zionism"), I'm glad to see it. Or if you simply see their above protest/sit-in as evidence of their desire to control Palestinians' resistance, I'd end my participation in a discussion about this with you as that would be just as silly as the concept of Liberal Zionism itself...

    • I'm not too familiar w/ INN. So I took a quick look at their website and read a few things. Did I miss where they called themselves "Liberal Zionists?" If so, I honestly would like for you to direct me to some stuff for me to read/watch that will better acquaint me with their views. Their statement on their website that said something like "We don't take a unified stance on BDS, Zionism, or statehood" is admittedly weak (to put it lightly). And while I understand your comment about 'co-opting of resistance,' "Fuck INN, just go away" seems a bit much. Oh well...

  • Leonard Cohen song is anthem of Jewish exclusivists
    • @ Tony G.:

      I agree w/ a lot of what you write. Particularly separating the art from the artist. But at the same time, even if one understands, or holds the opinion, that a particular artist's work, or a single piece of artwork, is great as a work of art, it doesn't follow that one should be able to, or be obligated to, support/enjoy that work of art (yes, that/this was a very, very, long/rough/ungrammatical sentence...). Nor does it mean that one should not point out to others the issues/problems one has w/ that particular artist. Artists should never be able to hide behind the "But I'm/he's an artist" defense for personal behaviors or attitudes that have nothing to do w/ art. Artworks are not more important than people. I'm not saying you that you're saying that, Tony. But I just wanted to put it in black and white as it's an issue I've put a lot of thought into and have actually written a little bit about. Thinking an artist is a genius, and not being able to enjoy that artist's work because of issues you have w/ that artist as a human being, are, unfortunately, not mutually exclusive impulses. Keith Jarrett, anyone? :)

  • A non-Zionist on segregation and resistance in the Zionist State
  • Warren and Sanders stand firmly behind Trump officials -- on guess what issue?
  • Gilad Atzmon’s attack against me – the 'merchant of JVP'
    • Sheesh. GA really brings 'em outta the woodwork, eh? Although I am jealous, karmagal, of your ny locale. I wish I still lived there. Great state...

    • Thanks Jonathan. And yeah, it did take patience to make. As I've said before, Gilad doesn't make it easy. So thank you for your patience in watching as well. I feel the length alone may put most folks off from watching it at all. Others may be put off by my goofy film/pop culture references and attempts at humor (it felt natural, even helpful, to me to include that stuff), making them feel the vid is not taking the subject seriously. Anyway, again, good article above and all the best...

    • Wrong link to vid in my post above. Sorry. Here's the link (administrator: if there's anyway you could simply place this correct link in my above post it would be greatly appreciated, but I wouldn't be expecting you to take the time to do that...):

    • Good article Jonathan Ofir. Much appreciated. Atzmon is a very tough nut to crack, and as you write, often the best approach to him is to simply take a pass. But he's a provocateur. And a rather skilled one, so sometimes he gets the better of us. He's a huckster. Something of an odd mirror image of Pamela Geller or David Horowitz. I used to think he was merely confused, but now believe that he intentionally distorts to gain attention. He's very good at it, and that's very unfortunate.

      You write, "...[Atzmon] alters my last name to 'offir'. He obviously thinks this is amusing." Yup. He's a curious mix of a precocious 8 year old trapped inside an adult pseudo-intellectual's body. And these two points you mention, I feel, are key:

      1) If I did [respond to Atzmon] I would have little time for anything else. (Abunimah)

      2) Now those terms can seem puzzling for some. What is this coded language?

      Totally agreed on these two ideas/points. I address them in a video response I made to Atzmon a couple years back. As Abunimah writes, correctly, responding to and unpacking Atzmon thoroughly takes a lot of time because of GA's ability to pack so much gobbledygook into such small spaces (whether it's his speaking or writing). Again, although he is often disingenuous or simply wrong, he remains skilled.

      If interested, here's a video I made a couple years back where I did my best to unpack a shamefully manipulative video GA made about Max Blumenthal; GA's pet target. I have a lot of respect for Max, so this time I felt the urge to create some type of response. It's long, so set aside 30 minutes if you wanna check it out. It also tries to keep a sense of humor about the Atzmon situation/conundrum. Anyway, good article Jonathan, and here's the vid:

      https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=3c_c7-us7x4

  • Why not a probe of Israel-gate?
    • Hey Ossinev.

      It will be interesting to see how much media coverage is attempted / allowed on Israel`s glorious attack on the USS Liberty...

      I'd assume close to zero coverage by MSM, and not much by most other "alternative" news sources. Salon will maybe have something, Alternet and DemocracyNow will likely have something. But 90% of Americans will remain in the dark about this grotesquely covered-up event. And of the 10% who are aware of it at all, 90% of them will remain under the Zionist hasbara trance (Israel regrets, war is hell, right to defend itself, etc...).

      If I remember correctly, I ordered a bunch of pamphlets on this subject from IAK many years back. They're cheap and informative. Anyone who hasn't used that IAK service should check it out. They're not high quality, publisher house fancy binding, etc. But they're priced accordingly, they have tremendous information w/ detailed sourcing, and buying them is helping a great organization.

      Also, when the USS Liberty subject comes up, I'm always reminded of Ralph Nader. Add this vid below to the endless list of examples of why he's one of the greatest human heroes. Anywhere. Of all-time. How appropriate that he received honors w/ Omar Barghouti last weekend at Yale:

  • 'SNL' cracks about man 'so blinded by devotion to Israel he ignores all reason'
    • I hear you Ismail (and everyone else here who commented similarly). Particularly the false equivalence of the two parties. Yes, for some of the bit Louis does fall into that bullshit trope.

      However, there's a lot of reasons I think Louis CK's bit had a lot more balls to it than the Weekend Update thing. The first, and most obvious thing, is that Vanessa Bayer "bit," as relates to Israel (and only mentioning Israel), is a single line that lasts 5 seconds. And it's completely decontextualized from Palestine. Sure, all of us here at MW immediately think of the implications re: Palestine/Zionist crimes, etc... But I think it's quite possible that many who saw/heard that chuckled, didn't know why, and didn't think about Palestine/Palestinians for a second: "Hardy har. Israel. Jews. They're funny. A woman dressed as a boy. Yuck yuck. Is it time for bed yet?"

      While the Louis CK bit was 2 and 1/2 minutes. That's 30 times longer. It also clearly contextualizes the bit as being about "the conflict." It clearly talks about Palestinians specifically. Louis refers to his kid that represents Palestine as the one he "like[s] a little more," while giving the kid who represents Israel a loud, rude, kinda bullying voice. And while, as I said before I agree w/ you that Louis does fall into the false equivalence trope here and there, there are other things in the bit that belie that idea. Surely when he says, "The little one is like Palestine because she always gets screwed. She gets the worst deals," it goes against this idea of equivalence. Not to mention it completely contradicts all the pro-Israel B.S. about Israel making wildly generous offers to the Palestinians, etc etc... And he also contradicts the false equivalence when he says that he represents America, saying to Israel, "I'll work it out. You and me. We'll go out, I'll buy you a really cool missile. Whatever you do with it is totally up to you." And he's saying those lines as America as if they're under his breath; like America doesn't want anyone to hear what it's saying. Like it's a secret.

      A 5 second, un-contextualized single line about Israel, or a 2 and a 1/2 minute long bit clearly about the conflict, that while occasionally falls into the false equivalence trap, also clearly shows Palestine as getting screwed (in that language) and Israel as being told by its parent that it can do whatever it wants w/ the missiles it's being given re: Palestine. I'll take Louis...

    • Not bad. But if we're talking about SNL crackin' wise about Palestine and maybe gettin' in Israel's/America's face a little, the above SNL news clip is nothing compared to Louis CK's monologue a while back (Palestine always getting screwed, America arming Israel and essentially saying do whatever you like...). I assume you all have seen it, but just in case check it below. The bit on Israel/Palestine starts at 2:56, but I'd say just check out the whole monologue 'cuz Louis kills it:

  • Freed to travel, Barghouti will receive Gandhi award on Sunday at Yale
    • Absolutely fantastic news. It will be interesting to see the "special interest" groups and sundry other powerful Pro-Israel individuals either try to get this cancelled, or bloviate on how this event means Yale is anti-Semitic, etc.

  • Hasbara-steria: Netanyahu ministers charge NYT with 'journalistic terror attack,' hunger striker with 'suicide terror attack'
  • I am not a jew
    • @ hophmi:

      I guess the definition of good poetry is whether it fits your politics.

      No. I'd say that that's an awful definition. However, I would say that you may letting your own politics define what qualifies as bad poetry. That's the feeling I get from your post. There's plenty of art/writing/film that posits the same attitude I have toward Palestine/Zionism that I think is pretty lousy work, and other excellent artworks/writing that take a stance on the issue that I wholly disagree with. I'm guessing hophmi is not an artist...

    • I very much enjoyed reading this piece, Tema. Thank you for sharing here.

      I wouldn't assume to know how others feels about this for themselves. And poems can, of course, be endlessly interpreted. For myself, I feel that when I look at it objectively, my internal struggle of whether or not to regard myself as a Jew, or as "Jewish" comes down mainly to self-absorbed navel gazing (not that I can stop...). And I either need to A) Scrap the label entirely as I've never actually embraced/practiced Judaism, or B) Get over it already and simply accept the fact that the word(s)/idea of Jew and/or "Jewish" have been mangled beyond any possibility of being untangled. "Tangled Up In Jew," anyone? That's Dylan's original title, by the way. Look it up...

      I would also say that quite possibly, I'd not be having any internal conflict over my "Jewiness," or lack thereof, if not for Israel being the monstrosity that it is, while claiming to act in the name of Jews worldwide. I absolutely had none of these "Jewish Identity" issues before I started understanding what Israel/Zionism had done, and continues to do, to Palestine and Palestinians.

  • I want the world to know
    • Yea, Anas! Great job with this piece of writing. We're with you all the way and wish you nothing but the best in an insanely hard situation which you had no part in creating.

      However, I will say it sounds like someone may be putting off going to the dentist :) Go!

  • Bill Kristol celebrates 'normal' foreign policy -- with Russia replacing Iraq in the new 'axis of evil'
    • Kristol was on Andrea Mitchell’s broadcast Friday afternoon celebrating the return of a “normal” foreign policy– military engagement in the Middle East.

      Yup. Normal... SNAFU.

      Relative Normal | John Dworkin

      Normal - that's the watchword. During our 2015, July/August Interfaith Peace-Builders delegation's first meeting here in Palestine, the phrase "a normal life," and the general idea of "normalcy" was repeated by those speaking to us at the Youth Center in the al-Bustan neighborhood of Silwan. Our guide for the day spoke of just wanting a normal life. His village of Silwan suffers regular home demolitions which systematically displace Palestinians as part of this ongoing Israeli public policy. It's also known for its high rate minors (children) being illegally apprehended by heavily armed soldiers, often in the dead of night, and taken into administrative detention.

      Muslim, a 15 year old boy from Silwan, spoke to us about being arrested 15 times - presumably for throwing stones - since he was 9 years old. For Muslim and hundreds of other minors subject to administrative detention, being arrested often means being beaten, deported out of your hometown or village, being separated for extended periods from your family, being afforded no legal representation, having no formal charge lodged against you, etc... One of Muslim's arrests had him jailed for 8 days, forcing him to miss a good amount of school while he was confined to a prison cell. When asked by a member of our delegation what the jail was like, he replied, "4 walls. No sun. No air." This is the current state of "normal" in Silwan and many other Palestinian villages and refugee camps.

      Our delegation's next meeting, via Skype, was with an American Friends Service Committee youth group in Gaza. Throughout the discussion with these young adults from Gaza (which is quite literally the world's largest open air prison), the desire for a "normal life" was specifically mentioned again. Despite being periodically assaulted over the last 6-7 years (2008-09 Operation Cast Lead, 2012 Operation Pillar of Defense, 2014 Operation Protective Edge, etc...), leveling their infrastructure, killing thousands, including hundreds of children, creating mass unemployment, etc., these kids keep moving forward. This is their "normal" since the illegal blockade of collective punishment was imposed on Gaza by Israel in 2007. These youth somehow remain vital and actually retain a sense of humor in their talk with our delegation. It is near miraculous.

      In solidarity circles, the term "normalization" is oft used and is a big term in the Boycott, Divestment, & Sanctions movement. Our meeting with one of the main leaders of this movement, Omar Barghouti, touched on this normalization concept. There are many interpretations and shades of what this concept means, but in a general way, it means if one tries to simply make the occupation more comfortable to live under, as opposed to resisting it, one "normalizes" the occupation. Situation normal... SNAFU.

      When we met with Nomika Zion (Other Voices) in Sderot, she told us that in most all of Israeli society, "[T]he occupation is second nature... [This] means you don't see it anymore." This is another way of saying that it has become normalized. And she meant this in the most negative sense. She also directly referred to the situation between Sderot and Gaza as "abnormal." Since the illegal blockade of Gaza, Sderot is one of the Israeli towns close enough to the Gaza border to consistently receive their retaliatory rocket fire. Nomika's two references to normality were extremely tame compared to other criticisms she had for Israeli action, policy and society. For someone who has lived under the threat of rocket attacks from Gaza to still be so honestly self-critical of her own society's behavior and policy is brave and illuminating. She is a living lesson.

      When Benjamin Netanyahu and countless other politicians and pundits refer to Israel as “the only Democracy in the Middle East,” they are trying to convince the West that we share a similar standard of democratic "normalcy." And when seen through the prism of other colonial enterprises historically, Israel's illegal occupation and systematic abuse of International Law can appear, in away, normal. But in another much more profound way, when seen up close and in detail, it's gruesomely abnormal. They've transformed a perverse abnormality into their own, relatively unique, normalcy.

      Israel's normalization of the abnormal is mirrored in the U.S. by the alarming rate of our cops killing our own innocent, unarmed black civilians. The situation in the states is not as bad as in Israel, but the parallels are clear. And this is not to minimize what is happening to black men and women in the U.S. It feels like it's getting noticeably worse by the week. Reading about another U.S. police officer killing another unarmed black civilian in our newspapers back home is becoming way too normal.

      Last March in Haaretz, Anshel Pfeffer wrote this of Israelis' relationship to their own country: "Deep down, they know normalcy is an illusion." But it's not an illusion. It's a choice. They're choosing supremacy over normalcy.

      So what's the "normal" bottom line? I see both Israel and the U.S. espousing a desire for creating a normal situation for the Palestinians and Israelis, while actively working against one. Their conception of "normal" for the Palestinians seems unfortunately, and thoroughly, linked to their own control and repression of another people. On the other hand, everything I've heard and seen here from the Palestinians themselves during our delegation points to their conception of "normal" as containing true universal and equal human rights. Something much closer to what true democratic (and hopefully still, American) ideals represent. It's about freedom, equality and justice. Got Normal?

      P.S. - I searched but couldn't find the Kristol/Mitchell exchange Weiss referred to/quoted in the above article. Can anyone direct me to it? Maybe it's not uploaded yet?

  • Israel’s ‘right to exist’ and the Palestinian right to resist
    • @ Kasia:

      Does this make any more sence to you??

      It makes the same amount of sense to me :)

      As we say here in the States (maybe in Finland, too?), "It's all good."

    • Well, I’d say it means I was born in a Christian family and I appreciate certain Christian values...

      Yeah, I figured it was that kinda thing. "Culturally Christian," or something approximately like that. A small part of me understands that kind of thought, but a larger part of me thinks it's kinda... Well, let's just say it doesn't make sense to me personally. And it may be mainly a language thing.

      ...if there is a God...; I do not believe in Heaven...

      I'm not a religious person. For me, it seems that if you don't believe in God and/or heaven, how in the world can you call yourself a Christian? The words just don't match. And this isn't anything personal. It's about words and using language directly. To do one's best to be understood, to understand yourself, and try to use words so that others can understand you.

      There's a guy who is a hero as far as I'm concerned, and is extremely intelligent, well-read, yada yada, who says the same thing about himself (if I remember correctly, he has referred to himself as "Culturally Muslim"). And I've got mad respect for him. I just don't respect the idea/terminology.

      Peace to you, Kaisa of Finland.

    • "The Right To Exist" is gobbledygook hasbara. Meaningless gibberish coined and regurgitated ad nauseam by propagandists (Kissinger?) to keep the Zionist project of stealing Palestine rolling along; while it trashes ACTUAL rights of REAL people every second of every day.

    • Hello Kaisa :) What is a "non-religious Christian?"

  • JDL member arrested for attacking Palestinian-American teacher ran anti-Muslim website
    • Firstly - shame on me for actually responding to your trolling. I'm usually better. But something about your comment forced me to go against my better judgement. You got skills, yo...

      asherpat: Dancing around, are we, Allison? How innocent can we be? A good American family from North Carolina decides to spend four days that, blimey, coincide with AIPAC in DC! and then, the Zio thugs descend on your average American father and beat him up! ... They are at best protesters (OK) and most probably provocateurs (not OK), so why not say that?

      This happened in Washington DC. Washington DC. Are you , like, 8 years old and currently growing up in Ittoqqortoormiit? Washington DC is the capitol of the United States of America. It is possibly, after the Grand Canyon, the most visited place/tourist destination in this country. Are people supposed to cancel their plans because AIPAC wants to decide on the best ways to keep on stealing land and ruining lives? Are we all supposed to keep up on the activities of AIPAC and other Zionist organizations so that we can plan our lives in ways that make sure we don't disturb the delicate genius of Israel and their planners? No, seriously asherpat? What's wrong with you?

      And by the way, did everyone see this nugget:

      Meir Weinstein, head of the Canadian branch of the JDL, claimed his group was acting in self defense and that the video was taken out of context. “If our reaction was excessive, we’re looking into it. It was all defensive,” Weinstein said.

      Yeah, you read that right. Those JDL bastards (wayyyy too polite a word to use to refer to them) have a right to "self-defense." Just like a little "state" that we're all so familiar with likes to constantly cry. Oh... My... God... I guess Kamal was hiding a qassam rocket in his back pocket? How do you people not make yourselves sick. It's like some kind of bizarre negative miracle.

  • Bearing witness: a review of Alice Rothchild's book 'Condition Critical'
    • @ RoHa:

      French Jews are part of the French n-nation. They too drink nasty red wine, smoke smelly cigarettes, and talk pretentious bollocks which they claim is serious philosophy.

      There is no justification for your trying to hijack this thread w/ unnecessary comments about Bernard-Henri Lévy. Please desist.

      Nice post by the way :)

  • Towards Better Ally-ship for Palestine: A letter to the US activist community
    • talknic - Q: Why is it pawns for Zionist colonization are incapable of rational debate?

      A: Because they know (consciously or otherwise) that a truly contextualized, rational debate on the subject is a loser for their position.

    • Keith:

      The article reads like an excessively wordy exercise in political correctness. Complaining about “Middle East” and “Israel/Palestine”? Jeez, give me a break. And the author arrogates unto herself the role of spokesperson for the Palestinian people. Well, who exactly is Eman Ghanayem? Hard to tell from the article, however, the author supplied bio I quoted indicates that she is a PhD student at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. This is what is being emphasized, how she sees herself. Hardly a spokesperson for the Palestinians. She is entitled to her opinion, but that is about it. And yes, I was being sarcastic. I thought that a brief hint would suffice but apparently not.

      Oh.

    • Just wondering:

      Always nice to hear suggestions from those folks caught up in the struggle at Urbana-Champaign. Good luck with your PhD studies!

      This reads, possibly, like sarcasm. Often, the internet doesn't translate so well. So I'm just wanting to know...

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    • @ gamal: I know you know :)

    • @ / for gamal:

      “شو يعني انا عربية؟” “ايش قصدك يعني؟” .اخ يا قلبي

    • Congrats and thank you Eman. To my mind, this is the best piece of writing I've read on MW for a while. Thorough, thoughtful, direct. I have minor quibbles here and there, but for the most part you've expressed ideas and attitudes about the ISM and the U.S. role in it that I share with you and have had in my head for a long time.

      All the best to you. Maybe our paths will cross sometime - I'm just northwest of you in Bloomington :)

  • Steve Bannon's Judeo-Christian 'Camp of the Saints'
    • I can’t help doing a pun, and calling this one Bannon’s “My Camp”.

      Yeah. It's pretty impressive how he focuses his concentration on the camp.

      Sorry...

  • More than a feeling: Jews and whiteness in Trump’s America
    • There once was a man who was bright
      Who just might be a tiny bit white
      To use fancy words
      Yes, this he was able
      But his eyes would not leave his navel!

  • Liberal newspaper Haaretz calls 1937 Palestine 'pre-state Israel,' in article by gov't employee
    • Good piece, Ben. One minor correction:

      Gil Weissblei, the author of the article, works in the photographs and archives department at the National Library of Israel.

      I think you meant the Ministry of Truth department.

  • Sanders suggests giving Gaza a portion of $38 billion US military aid to Israel
    • @ Citizen:

      If it gets reported on cable tv news/infotainment, will be very interested in how it gets reported, the actual words.

      Right. Fox will report it by demonizing Sanders as anti-semitic and against peace. Maddow will report it as if this letter makes Bernie some kind of cool/hip, ultra-progressive radical of the "new left." And PBS and CNN will report it w/ their usual non-commital, slightly (or sometimes overtly) pro-Israel manner. None of them will spend more than a few minutes on it. And all of them will focus on how this is good/bad for Israel and world jewry, instead of what they should be focusing on: how this affects Palestinians.

      Democracy Now will possibly have a good piece on it. We'll see...

    • As much as I understand your skepticism w/ our MSM (in general, I share it), this letter from Sanders will undoubtedly be reported on immediately in all major newspapers and TV networks. How thoroughly it will be discussed and for how long it will be paid attention to is another story. For most of the major networks, an "in-depth" look at an issue usually takes up maybe 3 minutes of a broadcast. And 5 minutes is like amazingly penetrating analysis by their standards. Usually we get a blurb that tells us next to nothing and it gets called news. We'll see...

  • Name the six countries the U.S. is bombing in the Middle East
    • Maybe because of its proximity to Yemen? I guessed six before I opened the article here. I got 'em all except Somalia. In its place I had Palestine.

  • How to love Israel: 'Sometimes it'll hurt-- bad, but I will not walk away! I will not let you go!'
    • Cloying absolutely. Nauseatingly so...

    • Yup. That's good casting. Portman is maybe the other obvious choice. Nobody is coming to mind for the Peres role.

    • Oh my. That speech was possibly the most annoyingly overblown, mawkish, new-agey, gibberish-laden, self-aggrandizing Oprah-style Hallmark card freak show I've ever had the displeasure to sit through. She is absolutely the last person on Earth I'd care to sit down and have a beer with. Blech...

  • Palestinians in Hebron plead for international intervention to stop settler violence
  • The curious red line for Milo Yiannapoulos
  • Trump has reminded Palestinians that it was always about one state
  • Banned from Jerusalem (for trying to pay respects to my grandmother)
    • Oh well. I was kinda looking forward to checking it out...

    • “then Israel will seize to exist ” catalan

      It already “exists to seize” and that will ensure it will cease to exist .

      And the congressional medal of badassery goes to... amigo! That post is sweet :)

    • @ echinococcus - Well that's possibly intriguing. If you've saved your post/comment, feel free to post it at my website/blog somewhere. I know it can be frustrating having to rewrite a post if you've spent time on it and then lose it somehow, but...

      I've never had to disallow a post or comment to my site/blog yet. But maybe that's because nobody has ever visited there :) And don't worry about offending me. I'm a big boy. But more importantly, my blog is me, and only me. Whatever you write would have to be a crazy, over-the-top, totally & undebatably offensive, wildly & incitefully offensive, intentionally hate-filled freak show for me to take it off my blog. My guess is you didn't write anything like that. But I guess you never know.

      The address is in my profile here here @ MW...

    • I'm not quite sure what to make of echinococcus's post either, geezer (Butler?!). If memory serves me, I've had a couple exchanges w/ him/her here and, again, if memeory serves me correctly, we had some similar views on Palestine. But this post feels pretty shallowly mean-spirited. That is, if my interpretation of the gobbledygook that is the post is close to its intended meaning.

      Then again, maybe he/she knows something we don't about this Ariel Gold? I dunno...

  • Israel's efforts to erase Palestinian history reflect 'incremental genocide,' Ehrenreich says
    • Ok, Mooser. Whatever you say. Enjoy...

    • @ Mooser:

      "Try and picture it for yourself."

      Picture what?

    • @ Mooser:

      "Don’t worry about the words, Video does the job even better."

      Am I supposed to know what this means?

    • @ Diasp0ra:

      "Zionists in general excel at whataboutery and diversion from the point, I realize this. it is one of their main tactics... However, I tend to find that using this term often diverts attention from what is being discussed. Israel should 100% be called out for it. But, sometimes we need to think more strategically."

      One hundred percent agree w/ this. If the point is to get people to understand the fact that Palestine and the Palestinians are being screwed by Israel and the U.S., using terms or analogies that give Zionists/Israel First-ers any opportunity to derail a discussion and distract folks who are less knowledgable about the situation is a bad idea. Unfortunately, the term genocide falls into this category. And, for me, the other big one is the Nazi comparison. However legit the comparison, it is completely unnecessary and nothing but a distraction. Never useful...

    • Article V. The Contracting Parties undertake to enact, in accordance with their respective Constitutions... effective penalties for persons guilty of genocide...

      I guess that lets Israel off the hook.

    • @ RoHa:

      "Congolese? Sorry, wrong sort of people. Don’t count."

      "And with the second Congo war and the CAR civil war, we might be able to top Leopold’s score. But, as I said, no-one really cares."

      Yes. The wrong sort of people. I usually don't do this kind of thing on this board, but your point reminded me of a similar point (the same point, maybe?) Dave Chappelle made in one of his stand-ups. In my mind, brilliant:

    • Yup. It really does look like him. I'd love to meet the guy and talk to him about Palestine and Floyd.

      Barlow, eh? You're crackin me up man...

    • Weird question for anyone: A man enters the vid from the right side @ 10:25 - 30 and sits down. Is it Roger Waters? Not important, just wondering...

  • Celebrating Tu B’shvat, the 'new year for trees,' as ethnic cleansing continues
    • Brant Rosen is a good man. Thanks for sharing some of his work here, Marc/MW. Rosen is a sincere person who has been, from what i can tell, somewhat fortunate in his life. And he's doing what fortunate people w/ reasonable means should do: spend time and energy fighting the good fight to help the less fortunate. Thanks Brant/Marc.

  • Rand Paul warns neocons will 'scurry in' with Abrams, and Kristol says that's anti-Semitic
    • Excellent piece Phil. It's so depressing (however predictable it may be) to have to read about these powerful assholes accusing thoughtful, informed, well-meaning people like Paul and Khalidi of hating jews, or being anti-semites, or hating "Israel", or whatever. So, so, so depressing.

  • Michigan Arabs react to Trump's executive order -- 'worse than 9/11'
    • Yeah, just. It is very good news about the judges' decision on non-enforcement of the travel ban.

      But things are so chaotic at the moment, in general I don't quite know what to make of things yet. That includes what's happening w/ this immigration ban. If another 5-6 months go by and things generally haven't settled down a bit, that'd be truly fucked up. Not that they aren't fucked up at the moment, but it is only a couple/few weeks into it. As bad as Trump is, and as badly as our current system has been corrupted, I have the same outlook/belief as Dr. Attal expresses in the above article.

      I see people in the streets screaming about Trump as Hitler and it makes me cringe. And I hate Trump. Like when the U.S. gov't equated/equates Saddam or Ahmadinejad w/ Hitler. It's childish, un-useful hyperbole. Whether or not that's a naive attitude will become apparent within the next year or two I believe.

    • Hello Julia Kassem. Excellent article. Great job giving voice to the locals actually being targeted.

  • Carded at Erez crossing
    • Hey broadside. As I read it, there are two thing in your pull quote with which you could "beg to differ." Which thing is it? Maybe both?

  • Trump's anti-interventionism helped him win, says Obama's former Middle East adviser
    • @ dbroncos: I checked a bit of that Buckley clip, and will absolutely be checking out the whole thing wen I've got some more time over the next couple days. Seemed to me like there was going to be much in there of keen interest. Thanks for posting it...

    • Yes, maybe the rhetoric of Trump and other politicians (British, American, etc...) may be relatively "anti-interventionist" compared to earlier decades or other politicians/pundits/think-tank wonks. But I don't believe for a second that Trump, May, or Clinton if she'd been elected, will truly become "anti-interventionist." There's too much money to be had in military interventionism. See May's quote above:

      "But nor can we afford to stand idly by when the threat is real and when it is in our own interests to intervene. We must be strong, smart and hard-headed. And we must demonstrate the resolve necessary to stand up for our interests.

      They'll talk one thing, and walk another. "Interests?" These oligarchs' "interests" are in having their cake and eating it too. Along w/ everyone else's cake. I hate them all, and they can all go to hell.

  • Signs you may be a 'normalizer'
    • Good article, Haidar :)

      However, and this is not important, but there is this:

      1. You start feeling fed up with the conflict between the two sides

      2. You start believing that it all began in 1967

      3. You start defending the idea of dialogue between the two parties

      4. You blame extremists on both sides, especially Palestinian terrorists

      5. You keep repeating: both parties are to blame for the ongoing bloodshed

      6. You keep saying/parroting: “both peoples are suffering and this has to come to an end”

      7. You become more pragmatic about the right of return which becomes “impossible to implement”

      8. You start thinking that the best way to resolve the refugees’ dilemma is by finding “an agreed upon” solution

      9. “Partition,” for you, becomes THE solution; two states for two peoples based on their ethno-religious backgrounds; 77 per cent of Palestine for Israeli Jews, and the rest is negotiable.

      10. You start getting the attention of CNN, BBC, possibly Fox News, NY Times, the Washington Post.

      That's a lotta quotes man! It reminded me of a scene from my favorite TV show:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFubB0q9kkw

      That being said, it's a good list. For me, it strikes the right balance of accuracy and derision. #10 is particularly spot on. And funny... in a tragic way.

  • Leading Clintonite worries that Trump will sell out Israel in forging deal with Russia
    • @ Keith & JWalters:

      “The paper, titled “Expanding American Power,” was published by the Center for a New American Security,

      The introduction to Expanding American Power is written by the aforementioned Robert Kagan and former Clinton Administration State Department official James Rubin.

      The paper is titled "Extending American Power," in case anyone is having a hard time searching for it to actually read it. Dan Wright's article appears to have the title incorrect and the link he's provided goes nowhere. And, yeah, this seems to quite obviously be some sort PNAC extension...

    • The woman regarded as Hillary Clinton’s choice for Defense Secretary says “my worry” is that Donald Trump will not consider Israel’s interests in forging a deal with Russia over Syria...

      After Philip Gordon, a former aide to President Obama on the Middle East, expressed the concern that Trump would align with Russia on Syria “without getting anything for it” in terms of constraining Iran in the Middle East, Flournoy said, 'Yeah.'

      Looks like the Clintons still hold a grudge with the Bolsheviks for outing Sykes-Picot. Damn Russians...

  • Obama 'betrayed' American Jews and Trump is a 'swineherd' -- Bernard-Henri Levy
    • Agreed, JLewis. Taking BHL seriously (on Palestine/Israel/Zionism, anyway...) is mainly a waste of time and energy. While he may have some intelligence in some areas/capacities, I believe he is, in many ways, an idiot. Or if not an idiot, a major jerk. From my review of Salaita's Uncivil Rites:

      Lastly on the issue of false accusations of anti-Semitism, Salaita quotes “philosopher/intellectual” Bernard-Henri Levy’s assertion that the central belief of anti-Zionists is that, “Jews are detestable because they are inseparable from a detestable state” (131). This infers that Salaita thinks all Jews are “inseparable from Israel.” This is not the case. The reality is actually the exact opposite of Levy’s theory. Anti-Zionists work against the notion that all Jews are inseparable from the State of Israel. And it is, in fact, Israel itself which works toward irrevocably attaching all Jews to itself.

  • It turns out Jews are as stupid as everyone else
    • @ echinococcus:

      That’s a feat, especially coming from a sunday-school thinker deep enough to afford calling Marx a POS....

      Yeah man. That jumped out at me too. Placing Freud so, so much higher than Marx as an "original thinker" is... uhhhh... interesting. Maybe yonah needs to go see a shrink :)

    • @ Mooser:

      Wow, that must be something. I’ve never been able to get rid of mine. And if I did, what would replace it?

      What would replace it, if anything, is entirely up to you my friend :)

    • Very strong/important post, Dan W. Plainly and respectfully expressed. Agreed on all points.

    • @ Stephen Shenfield & RoHa:

      Basically agreed. Perhaps my thoughts here can essentially be boiled down to something written by Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi. In his Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel (New York: Olive Branch Press, 1992-1993), Beit-Hallahmi writes about the relatively high level of Jewish success in the modern world, due in part to many Jews' gradual secularization. He points to Marx, Freud, and Einstein as examples of this phenomenon and writes that, "They are Jews minus Jewishness[.]” While I personally represent the opposite of the type of modern success represented by the likes of Marx, Freud, and Einstein, I may have something in common with them yet: Being a Jew minus the Jewishness.

  • On eve of Paris talks PA support for two-state solution not shared among Palestinians
  • Kal Penn's primetime shoutout to Palestinian refugees is gift that keeps on giving
    • Hello ahadhaadam. While I agree that it's frustrating when the issue of root causes are not presented to contextualize, sometimes it's alright/helpful to be able to see something for what it is on its own. You write this: ...this act is good publicity for the Palestinian refugee problem... I agree. Maybe, even if only for a few at first, it can be a gateway to deeper understanding of root causes. You gotta start somewhere...

      And I agree w/ Annie about the purview of UNRWA. Saying one shouldn't support UNRWA because the real issue is Zionism, is kinda like saying you shouldn't support cancer research because the real problem is big tobacco and McDonalds.

  • Help bring the 'Palestinian Advanced Physics School' to Jerusalem
    • That is why Scientists for Palestine decided to start a fundraising campaign. PAPS 2017 needs your help!

      Done. I have very little money, but gave the little I could for this fantastic project.

      What can you say? Palestine and the Palestinian people: Too legit to quit. Rock on...

  • Hell just froze over: the New York Times runs an article saying Zionism is racist
    • mjhw writes:

      Who CARES, for Heaven’s sake! We need to keep DNA discussions, the modern equivalent of “purity of blood,” out of politics. The only thing anyone needs to claim full human and civil rights in his country of origin is to be a living human being. When we follow the Zionists down this path, we play right into their hands.

      This.

    • and/or:

      Article headline:

      Hell just froze over: the New York Times runs an article saying Zionism is racist

      From the article: This is... not a New York Times article. Hell and everything else would freeze if the NYT started writing news pieces which presupposed Zionism as actually practiced is racist.

      Headline of article calls this a NYTimes article: check. Article itself states this is not a NYTimes article: check. Headline of article states that hell has frozen over: check. Article itself states that hell has not frozen over: check. Please see broadside's comment above for the obviously similar headline/article racist "check."

      Clickbait? Or am I missing something? Unfortunate. And if I'm really honest, not new. Bummer, and soooooo unnecessary.

  • David Friedman is out of step with American Jews and dangerous for Palestinian human rights
  • Santa Cruz church becomes first US congregation to boycott HP for role in Israeli occupation
    • JustJessetr writes, "MW and the BDS movement was thrilled to hear that Israeli commandos killed Turkish activists in the Gaza flotilla."

      First, that's rude and a million miles from the truth. Second, how could any honest person take you seriously after knowing you think/wrote something so awful?

  • After years of careless accusation, Dershowitz says anti-Semitism charges must be 'very careful'
  • The dark side of Jewish consciousness: manufactured anti-Semitism
    • Hey Russ G. I signed the similar petition posted here by Henry N @ MW a week or two back.

      And I received in an email the additional letter/petition you've posted above. This one fragment below is the reason I won't sign the one you've posted here:

      "Yet, JVP appears rather to be focused upon Jewish problems, notably 'antisemitism'..."

      I've got a lot of problems w/ JVP and I've detailed them here before so I'm not gonna. But this clip I've pulled out of the letter overstates the issue to a degree I'm not comfortable with. It's saying, or can too easily be read to say, that the primary objective of JVP as an organization is to fight anti-Semitism. That's not the case, and saying so is kinda like feeding the monkey. There's, of course, more to say on that issue. Sure, JVP may spend too much time in their messaging/discourse on the subject of anti-Semitism. But it's not their primary focus. 'Nuff said...

      I certainly wouldn't have an issue w/ others signing it, but that single overstatement keeps me off of it. Oh well. Just thought you may appreciate a little, what I hopefully consider to be, thoughtful criticism on the wording of the letter. I hope that's cool...

  • Ari Shavit’s humiliating fall from grace: AIPAC, Hillel cancel events in wake of groping story
    • Hey Sibiriak:

      jd65: …you immediately passed go and went directly to blaming the victim
      ———–

      I don’t see that.

      Keith writes:

      My point being that Danielle Berrin is a willfull participant in the media overemphasis on sex. I have already made clear that I am not excusing Ari Shavit’s behavior, I am critiquing Berrin’s use of sex to promote her career. This is not just a case of someone looking good, this is a case of someone projecting the image of a seductress. As such, she is sending a message to both men and women as to what women in journalism need to do. Equating female journalists with glamorous talking heads is part of the problem. My position is based upon rock solid feminism, real feminism not imperial feminism. [emphasis added]

      I agree with that entirely.

      Where exactly do you disagree?

      Maybe "you don't see that" because the post you used there was not his initial post under this article. His first post was this:

      Headlines read: “ZIONIST BIGWIG GRABS KOSHER SEX KITTEN!”

      Take a look at Danielle Berrin’s photo. Does the picture seek to emphasize her journalistic professionalism? Let us be honest here, Ms. Berrin is emphasizing her considerable sex appeal to promote her career. This story will help to do that. If it tarnishes Ari Shavit, well and good, but let us not be naive about Danielle Berrin using her sex appeal to influence men. Is it professional for a woman to strive to look like a femme fatale?

      I guess you missed that? So maybe you also missed this:

      …And yes, her femme fatale image does increase the odds of something like this happening…

      The "something like this" being sexual harassment.

      Anyway, I thought I was clear about this, but I guess I wasn't. I don't have a problem w/ discussing whether or not Berrin may be intentionally using her sex appeal to further her career or that the head-shot that's being used for her may be inappropriate, etc. That's all fine to discuss, IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT.

      This article above, that we're supposedly commenting on, is about a woman who was sexually harassed and the person she accused has copped to it. If the first thing you think to write about this article is her abusing her sex appeal to further her career, I think that's messed up, totally inappropriate, rude, and maybe sexist.

      Yes, journalistic integrity is an important issue. Yes the "Foxification" of female news anchors is a problem. But so is Global Warming. That should not be one's emphasis when starting to talk about this incident. If people here disagree w/ that and think it's appropriate to respond to this article first w/ that stuff about women not emphasizing their sex appeal in journalism, then we have very different attitudes on what is a decent response to the information in this article.

      Since we're here at MW, the analogy seems appropriate and obvious: Let's imagine an article here about, say, the events on the Mavi Marmara. Does one read about the events and say, "Holy sh*t! Israel's IDF killed a bunch of people. That's disgusting and criminal." Or is your initial reaction to say, "Damn, those peace activists shoulda known better. That's a dangerous neighborhood and shit happens all the time when you go in there like that. I guess they knew they'd get a lot of publicity." Again, you may think that's a bad analogy (I know Keith thinks it is...). I don't. It's the same thing, just on a smaller scale.

      My guess si we may heading for one of those useless, un-fun infinite loops w/ this topic. If I see that that's the case, I'll be duckin' out...

    • Hey Sibiriak:

      jd65: …you immediately passed go and went directly to blaming the victim
      ———–

      I don’t see that.

      Keith writes:

      My point being that Danielle Berrin is a willfull participant in the media overemphasis on sex. I have already made clear that I am not excusing Ari Shavit’s behavior, I am critiquing Berrin’s use of sex to promote her career. This is not just a case of someone looking good, this is a case of someone projecting the image of a seductress. As such, she is sending a message to both men and women as to what women in journalism need to do. Equating female journalists with glamorous talking heads is part of the problem. My position is based upon rock solid feminism, real feminism not imperial feminism. [emphasis added]

      I agree with that entirely.

      Where exactly do you disagree?

      Maybe "you don't see that" because the post you used there was not his initial post under this article. His first post was this:

      Headlines read: “ZIONIST BIGWIG GRABS KOSHER SEX KITTEN!”

      Take a look at Danielle Berrin’s photo. Does the picture seek to emphasize her journalistic professionalism? Let us be honest here, Ms. Berrin is emphasizing her considerable sex appeal to promote her career. This story will help to do that. If it tarnishes Ari Shavit, well and good, but let us not be naive about Danielle Berrin using her sex appeal to influence men. Is it professional for a woman to strive to look like a femme fatale?

      I guess you missed that? So maybe you also missed this:

      …And yes, her femme fatale image does increase the odds of something like this happening…

      The "something like this" being sexual harassment.

      Anyway, I thought I was clear about this, but I guess I wasn't. I don't have a problem w/ discussing whether or not Berrin may be intentionally using her sex appeal to further her career or that the head-shot that's being used for her may be inappropriate, etc. That's all fine to discuss, IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT.

      This article above, that we're supposedly commenting on, is about a woman who was sexually harassed and the person she accused has copped to it. If the first thing you think to write about this article is her abusing her sex appeal to further her career, I think that's messed up, totally inappropriate, rude, and maybe sexist.

      Yes, journalistic integrity is an important issue. Yes the "Foxification" of female news anchors is a problem. But so is Global Warming. That should not be one's emphasis when starting to talk about this incident. If people here disagree w/ that and think it's appropriate to respond to this article first w/ that stuff about women not emphasizing their sex appeal in journalism, then we have very different attitudes on what is a decent response to the information in this article.

      Since we're here at MW, the analogy seems appropriate and obvious: Let's imagine an article here about, say, the events on the Mavi Marmara. Does one read about the events and say, "Holy sh*t! Israel's IDF killed a bunch of people. That's disgusting and criminal." Or is your initial reaction to say, "Damn, those peace activists shoulda known better. That's a dangerous neighborhood and shit happens all the time when you go in there like that. I guess they knew they'd get a lot of publicity." Again, you may think that's a bad analogy (I know Keith thinks it is...). I don't. It's the same thing, just on a smaller scale.

    • I do. Feel better after your little temper tantrum?

      If it makes you feel better to call my post a "temper tantrum," then by all means that's what you should do. But no, I don't feel better. Not that I felt particularly bad to begin with. What would absolutely make me feel better would be for people to never again blame the victim for being abused. Whether we're talking about women (or men) being sexually harassed/assaulted, or Palestinians being abused/killed/detained/etc. Say what you will, and label my posts w/ whatever derogatory term you like. It's an open forum. But in the context of an article about a woman being sexually harassed, you immediately passed go and went directly to blaming the victim (what did her head shot look like, she's using her looks to get ahead, etc.), instead of getting to the actual subject of the article. I guess for you, the subject was her appearance and not her having been sexually harassed. Thats what happened and you can deflect all you like to another topic (reporter/journalistic ethics). However legitimate your points on that other topic may be (I think they are absolutely legit), the fact that you went there immediately, giving that topic primacy instead of the subject of her being harassed (the topic of the above article), is a serious tell in my book. What a drag, man.

      But I guess this is just another tantrum to you. Oh well. Whaddayagonnado...

    • I do. Feel better after your little temper tantrum?

      If it makes you feel better to call my post a "temper tantrum," then by all means that's what you should do. But no, I don't feel better. Not that I felt particularly bad to begin with. What would absolutely make me feel better would be for people to never again blame the victim for being abused. Whether we're talking about women (or men) being sexually harassed/assaulted, or Palestinians being abused/killed/detained/etc. Say what you will, and label my posts w/ whatever derogatory term you like. It's an open forum. But in the context of an article about a woman being sexually harassed, you immediately passed go and went directly to blaming the victim (what did her head shot look like, she's using her looks to get ahead, etc.), instead of getting the actual subject of the article. I guess for you, the subject was her appearance and not her having been sexually harassed. Thats what happened and you can deflect all you like to another topic (reporter/journalistic ethics). However legitimate your points on that other topic may be (I think they are absolutely legit), the fact that you went there immediately, giving that topic primacy instead of the subject of her being harassed (the topic of the above article), is a serious tell in my book. What a drag, man.

      But I guess this is just another tantrum to you. Oh well. Whaddayagonnado...

    • Yup. I've had lots of technical posting issues last 24-48 hours as well. And believe it or not, just now I was able to see the "edit" link/option under a very recent post from Annie. I clicked on it to see what would happen, and got a "failed" page. However, what if I had not gotten a "failed" page?

      This is all old news as folks who have been posting here for years know that the "techie" side of this board is... lacking. Whatever, I guess. Essentially, I no longer bring it to anyone's attention when there are technical problems w/ posting here 'cuz you know it's just gonna keep happening.

      Doesn't make it ok, or any less frustrating. But it does come w/ the dinner...

    • Like with Israel Shavit possibly thinks that “Shavit has a right to live, and if Shavit is to live he cannot resolve the Berrin issue”.

      The politically incorrect wannabe comic in me can think another Israel/Palestine analogy to this Berrin/Shavit "affair," like the one you've made. I feel I dare not make it here, seeing as my mock Shavit title has already not gone over too well here. Quit while I'm behind I guess...

    • Keith writes:

      "Take a look at Danielle Berrin’s photo... let us not be naive about Danielle Berrin using her sex appeal to influence men. Is it professional for a woman to strive to look like a femme fatale?

      Holy hell, Keith. There's really no need to parse out the problems w/ what you've written here in too much detail. In this context of a woman having been sexually harassed, w/ the accused having copped to it, you pointing out how good looking she is (without even mentioning the harassment in the post at all, aside from an unfunny joke headline) and that she is possibly using her attractiveness to further her career, is akin to pointing out that a woman was wearing a "hot" sweater while she was being raped. And, no, I don't think that's a bad analogy. What the hell were you thinking, man?

      My suggestion: If you ask real nice, maybe Annie will delete that post for you (I wouldn't, but Annie's a kinder soul than me). However, save your post on your hard drive and maybe you can use it when there's a discussion about journalistic ethics...

      (The above was written before your 2nd post in this thread. Had some computer issues...)

      ...And yes, her femme fatale image does increase the odds of something like this happening...

      There you have it. Wow dude. That's completely messed up.

    • The forthcoming unauthorized biography of Ari Shavit Story -

      My Promised Gland: The Triumph and Tragedy of His Fail.

      I got about a third of the way through his book. From page one I recognized as the usual mythification story/prism all liberal Zionists see and paint Israel with. Generally a glorification of Israel w/ the occasional "But Israel's not perfect" phrase sprinkled in here or there to give the illusion of "liberal" street creed. I may be somewhat exaggerating or overstating it, but I'm so sick of reading the kind of sh*t like he had in that book I may be primed to over-react to it.

      But it certainly doesn't look like Berrin's over-reacting to Shavit. Looks like he's scum and deserves to be denounced for trying to force himself on her.

  • Israel paints fighter jet pink to raise breast cancer awareness while preventing cancer patients in Gaza from receiving treatment
    • "The U.S. and Israeli air forces are making headlines in October for painting jet fighters pink to raise awareness during Breast Cancer Awareness Month."

      I didn't know you were also writing for The Onion now, Adam. Congrats!

  • 'Personally I was glad to see the outpouring of anti-Semitism,' says Jewish journalist targeted by haters
    • Ioffe: "I think that people are recognizing that we’re still kind of in the same boat." Let's hope she doesn't go down the same road as Sam Byck...

    • Ioffe: "I think that people are recognizing that we’re still kind of in the same boat." Let's hope she doesn't go down the same road as Sam Byck...

  • New campaign uses racist posters to target Palestinian campus activists by name
    • @ eljay:

      "No need to stoop to ugliness..."

      My point is not that there's no need for it. My point is that it's counterproductive.

      I promise to stop harping on this now...

    • JWalters:

      "I suspect jd65 is saying that using the same dishonest tactics as the Zionists would be a big mistake, and I agree with that.

      Yup. That's what I'm sayin'.

      And as a response to the D. Horowitz sponsored/produced predictably grotesque, infantile, impossibly rude, disgusting trash, Kay24 and ritzl suggest supporters of Palestine should "fight fire with fire," fight back with "equally filthy posters," and/or respond with "[c]ontemporaneous, proximate ugliness."

      It's cool for you give Kay24 the benefit of the doubt, J. But I'm kind of a freak w/ language. These quotes from their posts are, uhh... They appear to me to be relatively straight-forward in meaning. And I'd say someone would be pretty hard-pressed to interpret them as meaning we should use "nuclear fact-bombs" instead. That's some serious rose-colored glasses interpreting, imo. Nice phrase, by the way :)

      We're back to the twitter "misrepresent/misinterpret" conversation I had w/ someone on this site last week. I don't think we need to walk on eggshells and watch every little nuance of every phrase ad word we use. People are gonna abuse things now and then. But the above quotes are... Whatever. Nobody will ever convince me that behaving like David Horowitz is anything but the end of the fucking world. He is THE WORST. And suggesting we should behave like him and mimic his tactics.. There are no words that would come close to describing how sick that makes me feel.

      In the immortal words of Eric Bogosian: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words cause permanent damage."

    • ritzl (& Kay24):

      "Why?"

      Not to sound simplistic, but two wrongs don't make a right. Often, this "truism" doesn't take into account certain mitigating factors of a situation, and is actually simplistic. I don't think this situation/suggestion (yours and Kay24's) is one of those instances.

      "[Fight] the poster war with equally filthy posters..."

      "[Fight the poster war with]... [c]ontemporaneous, proximate ugliness..."

      Really? "Stooping" is a good idea? I know you are, but what am I? Homo says what? What are we, 6 years old?

      I'd guess that doing what you're suggesting would be EXACTLY what pro-Israel, Geller/Horowitz followers would love to see from Palestinian activists. Especially given the climate on campuses these days...

    • ritzl (& Kay24):

      "Why?"

      Not to sound simplistic, but two wrongs don't make a right. Often, this "truism" doesn't take into account certain mitigating factors of a situation, and is actually simplistic. I don't think this situation/suggestion (yours and Kay24's) is one of those instances.

      "[Fight] the poster war with equally filthy posters..."

      "[Fight the poster war with]... [c]ontemporaneous, proximate ugliness..."

      Really? I know you are, but what am I? Homo says what? What are we, 6 years old?

      I'd guess that doing what you're suggesting would be EXACTLY what pro-Israel, Geller/Horowitz followers would love to see from Palestinian activists. Especially given the climate on campuses these days...

    • While I understand where you're coming from, I think that's a horrible suggestion.

  • 'My solution is just equality for all of the people': Israeli activist Renen Raz dies at 28
    • I had not heard of this young man before reading this article. My impression is that I'd have enjoyed his company very much. Much respect to him and what he did with his life. RIP...

  • Israel supporter refuses to share Bard stage with Dima Khalidi and cites stereotypes about Jews smelling bad
    • lyn117: "Funny, someone insults a specific Jew, and suddenly it’s an antisemitic stereotype."

      Yup. Or, to quote Max Blumenthal (probably paraphrasing someone else...):

      "I'd always believed an anti-Semite was someone who hates Jews. But now I find that it's someone who a few Jews hate."

      http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/blumenthal-exploits-semitism.html/

    • YoniFalic:

      not even a single term can be conceded to the racist Zionist genocide-advocates and supporters, for they would try to leverage it...

      Yup. This, I think, is the point in Clark's quoting of Lewis Carrol under Norr's recent Petition/Open Letter article here at MW...

    • Odd question thrown out to all here: Does anyone have recommendations for good, free video downloader software (for Mac)? One that works w/ pretty much all sites? I ask because sometimes certain sites "lock" their videos so that they're not downloadable. Like the video linked to in this above article. I assume there are programs that can deal w/ this issue but I cannot for the life of me find one. Thanks...

    • Dude! Any reference to Kingpin, in any context, must be acknowledged w/ props. Thank you.

      My personal favorite quote from that movie: "Nasty cheese gratin' accident as a young man."

  • Petition: We stand with Palestinian rights activist Christoph Glanz against Zionist witch-hunt
    • In any case, just what is anti-Semitic about JPRR’s observation that, “[f]or more than a century, Zionists have sought to construct a ‘Jewish state’ through forced removal of the indigenous Palestinian people”?

      Or that “the Zionist regime officially denies the Nakba, the ethical equivalent of Holocaust denial”?

      Or that Palestinian refugees have the inalienable right to return?

      Not a damn thing, that's what. More power to JPRR, and more power to Al-Awda. Truth and Justice will out...

      And Benjamin Weinthal? What a joke. I mean holy hell. Just looking at the list of his headlines at The J Post is hilarious. And he's a "fellow" at The Foundation for Defense of Democracies; A "think tank" w/ folks like Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol, Bret Stephens, & Michael Ledeen. Oy veh. Weinthal must go to sleep every night gazing up at the images of David Horowitz and Pamela Geller he has pasted on his ceiling above his bed. I get nightmares just thinking about it. That's a sad dude...

  • New statement calls on the movement to focus on Palestine, not divisive internal conflicts
    • Hello Again W.Jones,

      However, at this point I am unaware of any convincing, direct evidence that US CEIO or JVP’s leaders are actual provocateurs. I am not interested in making fun of them.

      The “APA/DSM,” Bristol-Myers Squibb joke was making fun of the Psychiatric/Pharmaceutical Industry, not members of JVP or USCEIO. As for provocateur infiltration of the left, I'm not sure why it was brought up. But I agree w/ you.

      Thanks for the info on Amena El-Ashkar & the FreePalestineMovement.org.

      Why can’t you?

      Money and time.

    • @ W.Jones:

      Dear John,
      What did you “want to ask me/respond to”?

      Hey W.Jones. Been having computer issues on top of being a bit busy. Sorry...

      Actually, some US CEIO leaders who made the decision asserted that Weir herself is not actually a racist.

      Just to be clear: This means that some of the US CEIO leaders personally believed Weir to not be racist AND thought it a good idea to dissociate from her because others, who may mistakenly perceive Weir to be a racist, may then, through another further removed association, mistakenly perceive USCEIO to also be a racist organization? This sounds like a new, and quite serious, Diss[Ass]ociative Disorder condition. Should we contact the APA so they can add it to their DSM? Maybe Bristol-Myers Squibb can develop, market and sell a pill to make billions. Then, after the profits, when it's found to have killed nearly 100 people, they can simply point to their published scientific studies, trials run by their own best researchers, which showed Zaiypaxanol was safe. Echhhhem... Stay on task, John.

      But seriously, are these folks you mention who asserted Weir herself was not racist on record as saying/believing as much while also being on the record that they feel it was right to dissociate their organizations from Weir/IAK? It's not completely wacko to place strategy above truth, but it's quite a “political” mindset, as opposed to “activist,” if you know what I mean. And I generally don't go there. I actually spoke w/ folks at JVP about their seemingly “political” direction. In a way that's fine and “necessary.” And in another way it makes me ill. It's very Finkelstein, whom I have great respect for and great trouble with. If there are links to statements from these USCEIO folks I'd be interested for them to be shared. I missed 'em. Or, if they happened to be personal private conversations I understand that as well...

      I think she was and that her response was that she will be more careful about going on those programs, but that she reverses for herself the right to do so because she wants to take the message to the American people at large, whose views go across the spectrum.

      That's “interesting.” I've also not seen any stuff on the interwebs about that - JVP/USCEIO speaking/meeting w/ Weir beforehand to give her a heads up, tell her they wanted her to stop doing interviews on those shows or they'd... Well, you know. Where would I read about those conversations/meetings? Maybe that was in the stuff that got all the attention a year or so back and since there was so much stuff I just don't recall reading it? But if this is what happened (ie: they met, told Weir to stop, Weir said it's my right to do these interviews and it doesn't mean I'm racist, maybe I will, maybe I won't continue, then JVP/USCEIO dissociated from Weir/IAK...), it basically comes down to JVP/USCEIO saying to Weir/IAK, “It's our way or the highway.” In this case, from my perspective, that's not cool. To say the least. But it's their right to do the wrong thing I guess...

      Personally I would not go on those shows because of the fear of “guilt by association” – I wouldn’t want people to wrongly think I supported those views. But at the same time, if someone doesn’t actually support those views, then I don’t want to mistakenly label them as if they do either.

      What? Quit being so damn reasonable.

      I think that simply her stance on [the Zionism] question is not nearly enough to explain JVP’s banning of her. The main motive for the decision must have been her book campaign on the Lobby, considering the timing of bringing up and squarely relying on her offenses that were already several years old.

      I basically agree w/ this. Though it seems plain to see that, in a way, Zionism and “The Lobby” are, if not “one,” certainly rather intimately connected by the spine. This seemed to be the point of Weir's book, no? I only read it once back when it came out. I should re-read it. And to split another hair, I wouldn't call the book JVP/USCEIO's “motive.” I'd say they likely saw the publication of that book (which, if memory serves, could easily be said to be as much about Zionism as it is about “The Lobby”) as their “opportunity to move forward.” It gave them a sort of perceived, illegitimate/false/manufactured cover to act.

      I suggest you look at the Analysis section on the “Stop Divisive Attacks” website, which will help address the kind of questions you are asking on your blog:
      https://stopdivisiveattacks.wordpress.com/analysis

      Will do. Looks like there's a lot of information there. I gave a brief look and will go back. During my first look through there I saw the young Palestinian woman refugee (lives in Lebanon?), Amena El-Ashkar, who dares to speak the true words “Israel has no right to exist.” I wish I could interview her myself. She's got guts. Good on her. There's another woman, of whom I assume you are aware, named Lamis Deek who speaks on the concept of Israel's “right to exist.” She deserves mass respect and, I believe, is starting to get it. She'll be speaking at The 9th Annual AMP Conference in Chicago this month. I wish I could go to support and learn from the folks there. Miko Peled will also be speaking. My understanding is that Lamis and Miko are friends and have similar attitudes on Palestine. More power to them and I hope that Amena El-Ashkar knows of them and draws hope and inspiration from them.

    • @ W.Jones:

      Thanks for sharing, John D.

      Sure thing, man. I appreciate your post and the fact that you took some time to read some of what I'd written at my "blog." There are a couple/few things I definitely want to ask you/respond to, but I'm gettin' into bed :) Too much information, right? Later tomorrow. Peace...

    • @ W.Jones: I appreciate your post and the fact that you took some time to read some of what I'd written ay my "blog." There are a couple/few things I definitely ask you/respond to, but I'm gettin' into bed :) Later tomorrow. Peace...

    • Thanks for the response, Phillip. I think that post, combined w/ some of the other stuff you've posted in this "thread," give me a pretty good picture of yourself.

    • Hey again W.Jones:

      That was Nixon using Kubrick to film it in order to show the Russians up in the Cold War. It had nothing to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That would not make sense. Let’s not get into crazy nonsense theories now!

      Was this supposed to be directed at me? Did someone else make reference to Kubrick in this thread?! When I wrote that the clip from FMJ was "a rare video of a discussion on the Duality of Man between a “Liberal Zionist” IDF soldier and his more nationalistically fascist battalion leader at Deir Yassin, I assumed that it would be self-evident I was making some sort of ironic/joke/analogy. Maybe you were also being "ironic?" I guess sometimes the internet and humor don't mix too well. Or maybe I'm just consistently unfunny?

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