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  • Lockheed Martin: A global giant in supporting of Israeli war crimes
  • 'Facebook' ads are way more important than the children we slaughter in some poor country
  • Video: Living Under Fire
    • Brewer, at the current rate of Palestinian population growth, statistics prove conclusively that there is no such thing as "incremental ethnic cleansing" in the disputed territories.

      West Bank and Gaza population

      Year Pop. ±% p.a.

      1997 2,783,084 —
      1998 2,871,568 +3.18%
      1999 2,962,226 +3.16%
      2000 3,053,335 +3.08%
      2001 3,138,471 +2.79%
      2002 3,225,214 +2.76%
      2003 3,314,509 +2.77%
      2004 3,407,417 +2.80%
      2005 3,508,126 +2.96%
      2006 3,611,198 +2.94%
      2007 3,719,189 +2.99%
      2008 3,825,512 +2.86%
      2009 3,935,249 +2.87%
      2010 4,048,403 +2.88%
      2011 4,168,860 +2.98%
      2012 4,293,313 +2.99%
      2013 4,420,549 +2.96%
      2014 4,550,368 +2.94%
      2015 4,682,467 +2.90%

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Palestinian_territories

  • Bret Stephens equates anti-Zionists with white nationalists in the 'New York Times'
    • Eljay, why is option three so hard for you to accept? Geneticists are quite accepting of the evidence of ancestral descent imprinted in DNA.

    • Atlantaiconoclast, Israel has had seventy years to ethnically cleanse all the Palestinian Arabs, instead they make up 20% of their population.

      In comparison, the Arab countries of North Africa and the Middle East ethnically cleansed 99% of the Jews after 1948. What were the Arab leaders thinking? Where did they expect 850,000 Jews to settle?

    • hophmi, excellent point!

    • Keith,

      "The Ashkenazi Jews who founded Zionism had zero physical association with Palestine".

      Genetic evidence says otherwise.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072

    • RoHa,

      "The Palestinians are mostly descendants of the people who lived in Palestine before the Arab conquest. They are called Arabs because they took to speaking Arabic."

      Do you have evidence of that? You do realize that Rome and it's successor, the Byzantine Empire had colonized the land for over 600 years. It was then a Greco-Roman province with a Jewish minority.

      Genetic evidence also shows the Palestinian Arabs to be in the same gene pool as the Saudi Arabians, just as would be expected by the historical evidence of the Arab expansion during that time period.

      https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e7274c91049cad57c0e84d13dbe831d7-c

    • RoHa, the right of self determination is one of the major principles contained in the U.N charter.

      Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2 states that purpose of the UN Charter is: "To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace."

      Where is this set of arguments you say you presented against this cornerstone of international law?

    • Lyn117,

      Genetic studies prove the Khazar theory is a myth.

      Elhaik's work supporting this theory has been thoroughly debunked. He had no Khazar DNA to compare to so he substituted Armenian and Georgian DNA instead.

      Flawed science equals flawed opinions.

      http://forward.com/news/israel/175912/jews-a-race-genetic-theory-comes-under-fierce-atta

    • Eljay, ask Phil if he is a Jew based on belief or by descent. Maybe you'll take his word for it.

    • Keith, your denial of DNA evidence that clearly shows a genetic link between the various Jewish groups is baseless. You haven't shown a shred of evidence to support your claim.

      Here's mine.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072

    • Genesto, why the continual conflating of Judaism with Jewish identity on Mondoweiss? Jewish identity is based on ancestry, not religious beliefs.

    • John, your understanding of Arab and Jewish descent is flawed. Both claim the same Father, Abraham.

    • Mooser, the evidence proving the Jew's 3,000 year habitation of the land of Israel has been thoroughly documented. Your feeble attempt at humor does nothing to disprove it.

    • RoHa, since the Arabs conquered the land of Israel in the 7th century, their descendents, the Palestinian Arabs by your definition are not legitimate residents. What should we do with them?

    • Eljay, Theodore Herzl, the father of Zionism was an atheist. His lack of religious belief didn't remove his Jewish identity. Jews are an ethnicity determined by a common ancestry, just as the Arabs are.

      As a distinct ethnic group, the Jews have the right to self determination. To seek self rule in their native lands. Just like the Catalonians, the Armenians, the Kurds, and the dozens of other ethnic groups worldwide.

      Proof of the Jew's middle eastern ancestry is contained in their DNA. That you choose to ignore this scientific fact is a common ploy among the Palestinian Arabs and anti Zionsts. This denial is based on self deception. Imaginary facts like the mass Khazar conversion are created to reinforce the opinions of these people who are either too ignorant or too lazy to verify they are false on their own.

    • JosephA, then by your logic, every child born of Palestinian Arab parents outside of Israel /Palestine is indigenous to the country of their birth and has no right of return to Palestine.

    • Phil, what is your opinion? Do the Jews have a right to their own state in their indigenous homeland?

  • Prince Charles decried White House's failure to take on 'Jewish lobby' over Israel
  • Despite angry protest, Massachusetts screening of anti-occupation doc gets positive response
    • Allison, "The letter alleged the film is anti-Semitic because it uses an anti-Israel lens, backed up by a list of bullet points claims like: “Palestinian children are raised from childhood to hate Jews and Christians”—never mind a substantial minority of Palestinians are Christians."

      The statistics I see put the percentage of Palestinian Christians in Israel and the West Bank at about 2‰. That is hardly a substantial minority.

      Pointing out the fact that Jewish Voice for Peace supported the film does not mean Jews in general also supported it. Visit their Facebook page and you will find the Jewish presence there about as strong as the Palestinian Christian presence in Israel /Palestine.

  • Thousands march to UK parliament calling for justice on Balfour centenary
    • Misterioso, by your standard, the Palestinian Arabs 1,400 year occupation and colonization of the land should also be declared null and void. Honoring a fraudulent claim that old will also turn the world upside down.

      Because Arab armies conquered the land in the seventh century doesn't grant their descendents indigenous rights. If that was true the Greeks, Romans, Crusaders, and Ottoman Turks should also be considered indigenous to the land of Israel.

      The Arabs are indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula. If they care so much about regaining their indigenous rights they should return there.

    • Emory, Haaretz is a far left newspaper that is highly critical of Israel. Your denial of facts without any evidence to support your claim is so typical of the commenters on this site.

    • Mondoweiss caught in a lie again. Not 15,000 marchers but about one third that amount.

      "Anti Balfour March Fall Flat on Streets of London "

      https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-1.821021

  • Gerard Butler, Gene Simmons, and Pee Wee Herman help raise $53.8 million for the IDF
  • Texas city drops Israel boycott ban for individuals but says businesses must still reject BDS to get hurricane aid
    • James, it appears that Mondoweiss itself is suppressing free speech on Facebook by deleting comments. This one for example.

      Noam Chomsky on BDS

      "The opening call of the BDS movement, by a group of Palestinian intellectuals in 2005, demanded that Israel fully comply with international law by “(1) Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall; (2) Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and (3) Respecting, protecting, and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.”

      This call received considerable attention, and deservedly so. But if we’re concerned about the fate of the victims, BD and other tactics have to be carefully thought through and evaluated in terms of their likely consequences. The pursuit of (1) in the above list makes good sense: it has a clear objective and is readily understood by its target audience in the West, which is why the many initiatives guided by (1) have been quite successful—not only in “punishing” Israel, but also in stimulating other forms of opposition to the occupation and US support for it.

      However, this is not the case for (3). While there is near-universal international support for (1), there is virtually no meaningful support for (3) beyond the BDS movement itself. Nor is (3) dictated by international law. The text of UN General Assembly Resolution 194 is conditional, and in any event it is a recommendation, without the legal force of the Security Council resolutions that Israel regularly violates. Insistence on (3) is a virtual guarantee of failure."

      https://www.thenation.com/article/israel-palestine-and-bds/

  • American Jewry and Israel, unbound
    • Keith, Noam Chomsky also considers the third demand by the BDS movement it's fatal flaw.

      Noam Chomsky on BDS

      "The opening call of the BDS movement, by a group of Palestinian intellectuals in 2005, demanded that Israel fully comply with international law by “(1) Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall; (2) Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and (3) Respecting, protecting, and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.”

      This call received considerable attention, and deservedly so. But if we’re concerned about the fate of the victims, BD and other tactics have to be carefully thought through and evaluated in terms of their likely consequences. The pursuit of (1) in the above list makes good sense: it has a clear objective and is readily understood by its target audience in the West, which is why the many initiatives guided by (1) have been quite successful—not only in “punishing” Israel, but also in stimulating other forms of opposition to the occupation and US support for it.

      However, this is not the case for (3). While there is near-universal international support for (1), there is virtually no meaningful support for (3) beyond the BDS movement itself. Nor is (3) dictated by international law. The text of UN General Assembly Resolution 194 is conditional, and in any event it is a recommendation, without the legal force of the Security Council resolutions that Israel regularly violates. Insistence on (3) is a virtual guarantee of failure."

      https://www.thenation.com/article/israel-palestine-and-bds/

      Even Finkelstein agrees that Israel has the legal right to exist under International law. To flood their country with possibly millions of refugees and their descendents would dramatically alter it's Jewish character and in effect obliterate their right of self determination in their indigenous homeland.

      You will probably respond by saying, what about the Palestinian's right of self determination, and I will answer, they are indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula. Let them return to their native homeland. The base from which the Arab expansion began in the seventh century A.D.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(636–637)

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

    • Mondoweiss appears to be censoring posts on it's Facebook page. Not exactly the action we would expect of a group that claims to stand for honesty and a diversity of opinion.

      Let's see if this comment gets deleted too.

      Why Norman Finkelstein believes the BDS movement is dishonest.

      "I’ve earned my right to speak my mind, and I’m not going to tolerate what I think is silliness, childishness, and a lot of leftist posturing.

      I mean we have to be honest, and I loathe the disingenuous. They don’t want Israel. They think they are being very clever; they call it their three-tier. We want the end of the occupation, the right of return, and we want equal rights for Arabs in Israel. And they think they are very clever because they know the result of implementing all three is what, what is the result? 

      You know and I know what the result is. There’s no Israel! And if you don’t want the same framework then stop talking about the law and stop trying to be so clever. Because you’re only so clever in your cult. The moment you step out you have to deal with Israeli propaganda. And here they have a case.

      They say no they’re not really talking about rights. They’re talking about they want to destroy Israel. And in act I think they’re right I think that’s true. I’m not going to lie. But this kind of duplicity and disingenuous, “oh we’re agnostic about Israel.” No you’re not agnostic! You don’t want it! Then just say it! But they know full well: If you say it you don’t have a prayer reaching a broad public. Because that’s where the public is right now."

      Short video

      https://youtu.be/iggdO7C70P8

      Long video

      https://youtu.be/M7RWb24VKhA

  • If the occupation is permanent, is an ethical Jewish future possible?
  • How Israel is silently transferring Palestinians from East Jerusalem
    • Rhkroel, if you want to talk about the insatiable desire for land look at the Arab expansion beginning in the seventh century. It began in Mecca and spread for thousands of miles engulfing the entire Middle East, North Africa, Eastern Europe, western Asia, and Spain. The Jewish kingdom was tiny in comparison.

  • The United State of Israel and Palestine
    • Herodotus, the fifth century B.C. Greek historian NEVER mentions a PALESTINIAN people, only a REGION called PALESTINE. He mentions EGYPTIANS, SYRIANS, SCYTHIANS, and PHOENICIANS, but NEVER the PALESTINIANS/PHILISTINES.

      He treats it as a geographic region, not as a people. In fact most of his references place the Syrians as living in Palestine.

      As history has demonstrated, the Palestinians/Philistines died out as a race thousands of years ago.

      So called modern Palestinians are in fact Arabs, with a wide mixture of other ethnicities, Egyptian, North African, European, and even Jews.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

      Herodotus mentions a land called Philistia/ Palestine seven times in his Histories.

      105. Thence they went on to invade Egypt; and when they were in Syria which is called PALESTINE, Psammetichos king of Egypt met them; and by gifts and entreaties he turned them from their purpose, so that they should not advance any further: and as they retreated, when they came to the city of Ascalon in Syria, most of the Scythians passed through without doing any damage, but a few of them who had stayed behind plundered the temple of Aphrodite Urania.

      That this was so I conjectured myself not only because they are dark-skinned and have curly hair (this of itself amounts to nothing, for there are other races which are so), but also still more because the Colchians, Egyptians, and Ethiopians alone of all the races of men have practised circumcision from the first. The Phenicians and the Syrians[88] who dwell in PALESTINE confess themselves that they have learnt it from the Egyptians, and the Syrians[89] about the river Thermodon and the river Parthenios, and the Macronians, who are their neighbours, say that they have learnt it lately from the Colchians.

      106. The pillars which Sesostris of Egypt set up in the various countries are for the most part no longer to be seen extant; but in Syria PALESTINE I myself saw them existing with the inscription upon them which I have mentioned and the emblem.

      5. Now by this way only is there a known entrance to Egypt: for from Phenicia to the borders of the city of Cadytis belongs to the Syrians[4] who are called of PALESTINE, and from Cadytis, which is a city I suppose not much less than Sardis, from this city the trading stations on the sea coast as far as the city of Ienysos belong to the king of Arabia, and then from Ienysos again the country belongs to the Syrians as far as the Serbonian lake, along the side of which Mount Casion extends towards the Sea.

      91. From that division which begins with the city of Posideion, founded by Amphilochos the son of Amphiaraos on the borders of the Kilikians and the Syrians, and extends as far as Egypt, not including the territory of the Arabians (for this was free from payment), the amount was three hundred and fifty talents; and in this division are the whole of Phenicia and Syria which is called PALESTINE and Cyprus: this is the fifth division.

      Now in the line stretching to Phenicia from the land of the Persians the land is broad and the space abundant, but after Phenicia this peninsula goes by the shore of our Sea along PALESTINE, Syria, and Egypt, where it ends;
      and in it there are three nations only.

      89. Of the triremes the number proved to be one thousand two hundred and seven, and these were they who furnished them:--the Phenicians, together with the Syrians[82] who dwell in PALESTINE furnished three hundred; and they were equipped thus, that is to say, they had about their heads leathern caps made very nearly in the Hellenic fashion, and they wore corslets of linen, and had shields without rims and javelins. These Phenicians dwelt in ancient time, as they themselves report, upon the Erythraian Sea, and thence they passed over and dwell in the country along the sea coast of Syria; and this part of Syria and all as far as Egypt is called PALESTINE.

      http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2707/2707-h/2707-h.htm

      http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2456/2456-h/2456-h.htm

  • In Yoaz Hendel's revenge fantasy, Palestinians play the Nazi parts
    • Jonathan, why not translate Hendel's entire article and leave no doubt to his opinion that could be misconstrued by short excerpts. His article isn't very long.

  • Lessons from Finkelstein: International Law and equal rights should be the focus for Palestine solidarity
  • Dispatch from 'the most ****ed up place on Earth,' Hebron's H2 quarter
    • Mooser, Emma's comment is factual. The authenticity of the Cave of the Patriarchs is one of few issues both Arabs and Jews agree.

      The fact that it's located in Hebron in the West Bank is part of a mountain of evidence that proves the Jewish claim to what is erroneously called Palestine, is in reality the birthplace of their civilization and that their right of return is just.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs

  • Westchester legislature prepares bill saying BDS 'maligns the Jewish people,' and opponents organize
    • https://youtu.be/ASIBGSSw4lI

      I don't know if the entire transcript is available.

    • Do you agree with the point Finkelstein is making? That many within the BDS movement are not upfront about their motives and are using it to destroy the State of Israel?

    • Are the anti Zionsts here aware that Norman Finkelstein, a supporter of BDS in general, does not support the organization that promotes it? That their goal is dishonest, the elimination of Israel, which even Finkelstein does not agree.

      If such a strident critic of Israel doesn't support this goal, is it any wonder that other government entities do not as well?

      "I've earned my right to speak my mind, and I’m not going to tolerate what I think is silliness, childishness, and a lot of leftist posturing.

      .....

      I mean we have to be honest, and I loathe the disingenuous. They don’t want Israel. They think they are being very clever; they call it their three-tier. We want the end of the occupation, the right of return, and we want equal rights for Arabs in Israel. And they think they are very clever because they know the result of implementing all three is what, what is the result?

      You know and I know what the result is. There’s no Israel!

      . . .

      It’s not an accident, an unwitting omission, that BDS does not mention Israel. You know that and I know that. It’s not like they’re “oh we forgot to mention it.” They won’t mention it because they know it will split the movement, 'cause there’s a large segment of the movement which wants to eliminate Israel.

      . . .

      Are you going to reach a broad public which is going to hear the Israeli side ‘they want to destroy us?’ No you’re not. And frankly you know what you shouldn’t. You shouldn’t reach a broad public because you’re dishonest. And I wouldn’t trust those people if I had to live in this state. I wouldn’t. It’s dishonesty.“

  • Israel provoked the Six-Day War in 1967, and it was not fighting for survival
    • James, Finklestein makes a rather feeble argument by his ommission of the fact that Israel's oil supply was completely blocked off by the closure of the Strait of Tiran. It's foolish for him to say 95% of Israel's imports were still available when the lack of oil would soon make them 100% undeliverable.

      Any nation that had such a critical energy source cut off would have no choice but to remedy the situation by any means necessary. Nasser had no intention of negotiating with a country it refused to acknowledge so the only choice Israel had was war.

  • Map map on the wall, who's most existing of them all?
    • Misterioso, to establish for the record that today's Palestinian Arabs are descended from the ancient Canaanites requires evidence.

      There are currently four competing claims to their true ancestry.

      1. Canaanite
      2. Philistine
      3. Arab
      4. Jewish

      Apparently the Palestinian Arabs themselves are confused as to their ancestry. Can you clear up this confusion and provide the evidence that will settle this issue?

    • Yonifalic,

      Elhaik's Khazar theory you allude to has been debunked, and by a surprising source.

      David Duke, the former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan refutes Elhaiks Khazar theory. Here is a short excerpt from his well documented rebuttal.

      "The most important error in Elhaik’s paper, however, is actually openly admitted: namely that there is actually no “Khazar DNA” in existence, against which any sort of measurement can be taken.

      Elhaik himself admits this in his paper: the “Khazars have been vanquished and their remains have yet to be sequenced. . .”—in other words there is no record of what exactly Khazar DNA might have been.

      As there is no record of what Khazar DNA is—it is, ipso facto, physically impossible to determine who is descended from it and who is not.

      Elhaik attempts to circumvent this major problem by selecting what he calls “surrogate populations”—in this case, “contemporary Middle Eastern and Caucasus populations.”

      Anyone with a basic understanding of historical events in the Caucasus in particular will immediately see that Elhaik’s assertion that current populations in that region can be taken to reflect those of 1,500 years ago, is highly problematic and quite simply, unsustainable.

      The Caucasus, a region at the border of Europe and Asia, situated between the Black and the Caspian seas, has been crisscrossed by numerous peoples and races over the last 2000 years, ranging from Indo-Europeans, Semites, Mongols and others—and is today highly genetically diverse. A claim that DNA samples from this region can be taken as any sort of DNA yardstick, is dubious to say the very least.

      Finally, Elhaik’s methodology in comparing the DNA samples is, to make an understatement, unique to him. As Marcus Feldman, director of Stanford University’s Morrison Institute for Population and Resource Studies, said, “He [Elhaik] appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data.”

      https://www.justice4poland.com/2016/08/16/rethinking-the-khazar-theory/amp/

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