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John O

Born in Britain of Irish parentage.

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  • 'Iraq didn't work out, but at least it was a belief in progress' -- David Brooks reflects on a BIG mistake
    • Phil, I read those three paragraphs quoting Brooks directly very slowly and carefully. Because gobbledegook (or "bollocks" as you called it - so glad to see a fine, very English, insult take off in the US) is so much harder to read than common sense.

      E.g. "You’re just locked in conflict, and that conflict is the essential order. And of course that’s sometimes true." Surely, if it's the essential order, it's always true. But then that would mean agreeing that it is "the essential order", whatever the hell that means.

  • The goy and the golem: James Angleton and the rise of Israel
  • Prince Charles decried White House's failure to take on 'Jewish lobby' over Israel
    • @Jackdaw

      10 out of 10 for whataboutery.

      The final sentences of the paper you link to are, dare I say it, interesting:

      "Put simply, in Palestine the British were often brutal but they rarely committed atrocities. Indeed, by moderating its violence, Britain was probably more effective as an imperial power. Perhaps this is the best that can be said for the British ‘way’ in repressing the Arab insurgency in Palestine: it was, relatively speaking, humane and restrained — the awfulness was less awful — when compared to the methods used by other colonial and neo-colonial powers operating in similar circumstances, an achievement, of sorts."

    • "The letter is causing a stink in Britain ..."

      Not being a Daily Mail or Mail on Sunday reader, I wasn't aware of this story until reading about it here. Judging by the lack of reader comments (only 4 so far) on the Mail website, even the papers' readers aren't that exercised by it.

      I did note with interest the fact (Mondoweiss quoting the Israeli press) that there has never been a royal visit to Israel. Perhaps the founding fathers shouldn't have killed so many of the monarch's soldiers.

  • Harvey Weinstein's Israeli spy was music video vixen and Israeli air force officer, with Holocaust backstory
    • Harvey had a cupboard full of skeletons. So what does he do? Gets a firm run by ex-spooks to help keep his dirty little secrets secret.

      He should have produced more spy movies.

  • UK minister forced to resign over secret Israel meetings as questions continue to swirl
    • @Mayhem

      Palestinian (the word does not need quotation marks) refugees are not being used as pawns. For the countries that have taken them in to offer them citizenship would (a) give legitimacy to Israel's ethnic cleansing and tell the world there was nothing that could be done about it; (b) encourage Israel to expel the remaining Palestinian population from Israel, Gaza and the West Bank

    • @Mayhem

      No, it couldn't. To have done so would have implied that the British government considered Israel's presence in the Golan to be legitimate.

    • Good points, Kathleen.

      Everybody makes mistakes; but making the same mistake over and over again - failing to learn from one's mistakes - that's incompetence.

      By that criterion, Boris Johnson, the other subject of the Guardian article, is incompetent: his inability to keep his mouth shut, his persistent failure to read his ministerial briefs (for which he is notorious among the followers of Westminster politics), his lack of seriousness when the occasion demands it, etc.

      Patel arguably less so. She is the archetypal Peter Principle politician, promoted above her ability. She could have done her job and learned how to be a minister, but her all-consuming ambition (she sees herself as a future Prime Minister) seems to have led her to think she could change the whole government's policy towards Israel by engaging in a little personal "diplomacy". So, she is different from the likes of Cheney in that she almost certainly didn't know what she was getting into.

    • @Jackdaw

      Why do the Golan Heights lack a major hospital? Israel has been occupying them for 50 years; plenty of time to put in some decent infrastructure.

      Of course, there is, or maybe there isn't, a field hospital there, which may (or may not) treat injured Syrians. It certainly seemed real enough for a British minister to suggest taxpayers' money could be sent to the IDF to help defray the costs of running it. OK, Patel's as thick as two short planks but, even so ...

    • @Jackdaw

      "The Israeli hospitals of the Israeli Ministry of Health have treated the 50,000 Syrians, gratis."

      Where? In Israel proper? And where do they send them after they're discharged from hospital?

    • @Jackdaw

      And why are the wounded Syrians stuck at the border? Indeed, to be strictly correct, why are they being treated beyond Israel's border in occupied Syrian territory?

      But to return to your main point. Britain is, rightly, very wary of giving foreign aid money to armies. Where aid agencies and armies work in close proximity (e.g. Afghanistan), governments have to be very careful to ensure that money they provide for, e.g. medical services, is not seen to be associated with an occupying, or otherwise combatant, army.

      British government policy is that the Golan Heights are illegally occupied by Israel. Consequently, representatives of the British government cannot be seen to do anything that might be interpreted as contradicting, or even overturning, that policy.

      Thus, even if Patel's motives were as pure as the driven snow, she made at least two gross errors of judgement for which she was rightly dismissed.

  • The Weinstein effect drags in Israel
    • We certainly do. A slight consolation is that our press is a bit more on the ball. Journalists chased Lord Stuart Polak into a massage parlour as he tried to dodge their questions as to why, as honorary president of the Conservative Friends of Israel, he'd engineered such a ghastly cock-up.

    • Patel is typical of the younger breed of British Tory politician - very ideological, very right-wing, ambitious, egotistical, and no antennae. As minister for international development, she was known to be hostile to some of the things her department does, like funding NGOs and supporting Amnesty International. All manner of strange things are emerging as this scandal unfolds. Heaven knows why anyone thought it was a good idea for her to go to the Golan Heights. If she had working antennae (or had been properly briefed by her staff or UK consular officials in Israel), she'd have known that was a no-no, and may even have got a feeling that she was being set up.

    • No problemo. Great minds etc.

    • “Over a year ago, Barak was asked by Harvey Weinstein if he knew an Israeli company he had heard of, that was capable of helping him with business issues he had. Barak confirmed to [Weinstein] the company he heard of was likely Black Cube,” a spokesperson for Barak said in a statement. “Barak is not personally familiar with the firm or its executives but gave Weinstein its contact information.”

      Doesn't sound very convincing. More holes than a Swiss cheese in this story. Did Barak ask what sort of business issues? Why would he recommend a company about which he claimed to know almost nothing other than the name?

    • Meanwhile, here in the UK, Zionists played our soon-to-be-ex- International Development Secretary, Priti Patel, for a useful idiot, only to produce yet another scandal that threatens to topple the British Government and bring the Palestinians' good friend Jeremy Corbyn a bit closer to becoming Prime Minister.

  • Five Palestinians bodies recovered from tunnel bombing after Israeli court ignores emergency rescue petition
    • @Jack Green

      On my planet, distances are expressed in units such as miles, kilometres and light years.

      Genetic distance, the term you used earlier, is a metaphor, and not a very useful one. Are you talking about the effect of time on genetic variation, or the effect of geographical separation?

      The figures you gave are fractions. Without telling the reader what they are fractions of, they are meaningless. Even if you gave us the thing that they are a fraction of, they would tell us very little, since they equate to 17 in a thousand as opposed to nine in a thousand - not even out of the region of likely statistical error.

    • Assuming (judging from the link you provided) that these figures are percentages, the Irish connections to Palestinians and Druze are both shorter than the Ashkenazi connections.

  • Gerard Butler, Gene Simmons, and Pee Wee Herman help raise $53.8 million for the IDF
  • The Balfour centenary is also the centenary of the Zionist lobby
    • @Jackdaw

      Quite right. Rather than declare a Jewish state in 1948, the Zionists should have waited until there was a Jewish majority both east and west of the Jordan.

    • According to the BBC this morning, Patel - no, don't laugh - suggested some of Britain's overseas aid budget could be given to the Israeli Army to help with its "humanitarian operations". Stop laughing, you there at the back!

    • @Jackdaw

      Where did I get my information from? One of Leo Amery's relatives, BBC correspondent Jane Corbin, whose documentary on the I/P conflict was shown last week on UK television.

      As for your link, it doesn't contradict what I said.

    • Leo Amery was responsible for the "without prejudice" bit of the Balfour declaration, without which it would have been an even greater travesty. In the run-up to WW2, he was anti-appeasement and was instrumental in having Chamberlain replaced by Churchill in 1940.

      Lord Balfour was Prime Minister in August 1905 when the decidedly anti-Semitic Aliens Act, restricting Jewish immigration to the UK, was passed.

    • "Offer Yorkshire as a national homeland for the Jews? That would show extreme anti-Semitism!"

      Oh, I don't know. It *is* God's Own County, after all.

  • May, Netanyahu celebrate Balfour while Palestinian politicians call for UK to apologize, recognize Palestinian state
    • @Jack Green

      Thank you, Jack. Now tell us something we don't know.

      You assume the only reason for investing is to make as much money as possible.

      I might invest in a thing because I believe in its objectives (e.g. a renewable energy company). I might refuse to invest in another because I disapprove of it (e.g. an arms manufacturer). I would ask myself why one bond is offering a higher return than another. It could be its issuer is having difficulty attracting investors, perhaps because its objectives are dubious ethically. If the return offered is unusually high, it's probably a Ponzi scheme.

    • Excellent article from veteran British journalist Robert Fisk on the legacy of the Balfour Declaration:

      "So now it’s time for us all to follow Theresa May’s bone-headed suggestion that we feel “proud” of the iniquitous Balfour Declaration on its hundredth anniversary this week. The Israelis will be celebrating – and why not, for it set Britain’s seal on the future Israeli state in Palestine. Perhaps Israel would not have been created without it. But the fearful suffering and tragedy of the Palestinian refugees which was to follow in the coming years suggest that the Balfour letter – through its very wording – was certain to create a terrible wrongdoing which to this day curses the place we used to call the Holy Land.

      Even more disgraceful than May’s foolish words – for many Britons may well feel shame or prefer silence when they contemplate this episode of history – were Mark Regev’s remarks this week that citizens of the United Kingdom, to which he is currently accredited as ambassador – are “extremists” if they oppose the Balfour Declaration."

  • PM May: Take back the Balfour Declaration – Israel reneged on the bargain
    • I don't think May is in any position to take any steps on anything right now. Her government is falling apart, mired in scandal and the total disaster of deciding to leave the European Union.

  • UN rapporteur urges sanctions on Israel for driving Palestinians 'back to the dark ages'
    • @JeffB

      There you go again: talking about the Sikhs and the Indian caste system from a position of total ignorance; conflating religion and ethnicity; attributing a bizarre motivation for Sikhs to be following their own religion.

  • My journey away from Zionism
    • @JeffB

      I have now read your reply to me at least six times and I am still completely baffled as to what you are talking about.

    • Once again, JeffB, you can't resist the temptation to hold forth on subjects about which you know nothing.

      "The equivalent of an anti-Zionist would be someone who supported Cromwell’s policy of England conquest and the settlement in Ireland of a non-Catholic population."

      Are you serious? Why would anybody who is opposed the the settler-colonialist project that is Zionism think that the Plantation of Ulster was laudable?

  • Smear campaign is defused as Tom Suarez speaks at UMass
  • Nick Cave urged to cancel Tel Aviv shows by Roger Waters, Angela Davis, Thurston Moore
    • @jon s and DaBakr

      The smart thing militarily would have been to note where the tunnel is and deploy countermeasures, and, should hostilities break out, wait until 40 or 50 fighters are down there, then blow it up. But the Israeli government just can't resist the chance to do something just because they'll get away with it with no adverse consequences.

    • Oh dear.

      This sounds very like the provocation that ended up as Cast Lead. Israel broke the cease fire with Hamas in Gaza on the day Barack Obama was elected president of the United States. Looks like the same strategy - kill a few Gazans on a day when the whole world is focused on events in Washington; wait for the inevitable retaliation from Hamas; "mow the lawn".

  • Texas city drops Israel boycott ban for individuals but says businesses must still reject BDS to get hurricane aid
  • Balfour and Britain's broken promise
    • @DaBakr

      A) If the war had never occurred, Hitler could not have done anything to the Jews of Poland, France, Belgium, or any of the other countries would not have invaded.

    • @DaBakr

      Insofar as you have advanced an argument at all in your sarcastic post, you appear to be saying that the course and outcome of the Second World War had no effect whatsoever on the emergence of the state of Israel.

      Would you care to elaborate on why a discussion about the effect of the war on the history of Palestine/Israel is such an outrageous idea?

    • Seconded. Speaking as one who spent a couple of weeks copying a van Gogh self-portrait that he probably knocked off in a couple of hours, my hat's off to the artists who did the animation.

  • Newspaper ads offer employment help for new immigrants to Israel -- but only if you're Jewish
    • @Jack Green

      Are you equating gang violence with service in the IDF? If so, I have to admit you do have a point.

    • @Jack Green

      Small correction - Israel attacked its neighbours in 1948, 1956 and 1967.

    • @Jack Green

      All those refugees on Israel's Syrian border. Is there something wrong with them that prevents Israel from taking them in? Germany has taken a lot of them in, Israel not so many.

    • @eljay

      Fascinating. "Aryan" presumably (since it's an Indo-European word) is related to "aristocrat" etc.

    • I've been thinking over the example that Jackdaw gives above. It's not a jobs shortage but a lack of skills in Israel itself (as a commenter on the Times of Israel website puts it, what can you expect with the current education minister?). One suggestion is to pay the immigrants twice what native Israelis get paid. Well, that will make them popular with their colleagues! And when they do arrive, and find that they are effectively second-class citizens everywhere except in their workplace, how long will they stay?

    • @Jackdaw

      So you admit their first priority is to discriminate in favour of Jews and start hiring non-Jews when they get desperate.

    • @hophmi

      "Jonathan Cook provides no evidence that non-Jewish emigres to Israel would have any more trouble finding employment than Jews."

      OK. How about this (it took me about three minutes to find via Google):

      “It is difficult for foreigners to find jobs in Israel. ...

      If you plan on immigrating (aliyah) as a Jew, you will have more help finding a job."

    • Not sure if Europe's weakness is true in this case.

      I'm sure the Chronicle's lawyers have looked at this ad closely. It would not be acceptable as an ad for a job in Britain, but it is publicising potential jobs in a foreign country, and I have to admit I don't know whether British laws on equal opportunities govern ads for jobs abroad.

      In any event, it's also not advertising jobs directly, rather a service to advise potential immigrants what opportunities await them in Israel.

  • In order to receive hurricane relief, Texas town requires residents to reject Israel boycott
  • Contest! Design a logo to celebrate the IDF's 70th birthday
  • Balfour at 100: A legacy of racism and propaganda
    • @JustJessetr

      "And [BDS] IS nothing if you want to look at the results so far."

      So no need for all that legislation in various US states making support for BDS illegal.

    • @JustJessetr

      In essence, what you are saying is the Palestinians must try harder. Classic blaming the victim.

      Many factors brought down apartheid in South Africa.

    • @JustJessetr


      Passing what? Passing where? Passing whom?

      Are you sure you're on the right thread? BDS is mentioned nowhere on this thread until you introduced it.

      Oh, and BDS was quite successful in bringing down apartheid South Africa.

  • The pedagogy of apartheid
  • In Ireland, a Palestinian is understood
    • Correct, Marnie. The Irish know the difference between coloniser and colonised.

    • @DaBakr

      "Irish naturally want to fight to keep the South Irish and retain or reclaim as much of the North as possible Zionist=IRA imho."

      As part of the peace process, the Republic held a referendum on 22 May 1998 to amend its constitution by removing the territorial claim on Northern Ireland. The vote was over 94% in favour of its removal.

    • @Jackdaw

      Are you and DaBakr in some sort of competition to decide which of you is the most ignorant about Ireland?

    • @DaBakr

      Anglo Saxons - try Norman French. You appear to be confusing that with the general settlement of what is now England by the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, were supposed to have pushed the Celtic tribes of Britain westwards to Wales and Cornwall. Modern scholarship has, in any event, cast doubt on this traditional narrative, suggesting that proto-English tribes may have been well established in the east of the country during the Roman empire period.

      Your ignorance of the history of a country you appear know little about is bad enough but then you write this: "But nobody said the Irish ever made sense. They are lovable, hardy, stubborn but not always realistic or perceptive."

      That is racist, pure and simple. I suspect your post made it through moderation on the basis that you were disgracing yourself and deserved to be exposed.

      Finally, here is one reason why Irish citizens (including me) identify more with the indigenous people of Palestine than with the "Jews of Judea": the Irish wanted self-determination and not to be ruled by another nation. Just like the Palestinians.

    • As my late Irish mother would say, "Jaysus! That's a fierce lot of bollocks for three small paragraphs."

  • On my sixth visit, I've never seen Gaza so devastated
    • @JeffB

      "property issues with the West Bankers"

      Your gift for comedic euphemism is truly remarkable.

    • @JeffB

      "The Gazans will not agree to respecting the border."

      You mean Israel has agreed where its border lies? Who knew?

  • From Greta Gerwig to NYU, Israel has deep reservoir of cultural support in U.S.
    • @JeffB

      '“… by 1940 the policy that a Jew in Palestine was under Haganah discipline was well established policy. When the refugees boarded that ship they accepted Haganah rule.”

      'Have you asked them?

      'Yes. There is no shortage of books and memoirs from that generation. That generation was the height of Israeli patriotism. They understood without a moment’s doubt what the alternative to Israel is.'

      I, of course, was talking about the refugees on board the SS Patria, not the entire generation of Jewish immigrants to Palestine. But, you knew that, didn't you? European Jews, desperate to escape from the Nazis, arrive in Haifa , only to find themselves treated as cannon fodder in the Zionists campaign to drive the British out of Palestine so that they could take over the land. And they willingly let themselves be sacrificed for that end. How likely is that?

    • @JeffB


      In the narrowest dictionary definition of “indiscriminate” – lacking in judgement or purpose – you are correct: the Zionist terrorists had a goal and their actions were in pursuit of that goal. In the context of conflict, however, “indiscriminate” has a wider, pejorative, meaning – a failure to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants – as I am sure you must be aware.
      “[A]chieving major territorial objectives with a low loss of life”. Did the terrorists consider achieving their objectives with no loss of life? Did they consider the morality of having major territorial objectives in a land where many of them were recent immigrants?

      “The ship was being turned away and the refugees sent back.”

      Untrue. Its destination was Mauritius, in the Indian Ocean.

      “… since the refugees were blamed it increased British belief in Jewish fanaticism about Palestine.”

      And you’re OK that the end justifies the means?

      “By demonstrating British complicity in Hitler (what was evolving towards and would quickly become the extermination program) the Zionist put tremendous pressure on Britain.”

      In November 1940, Britain (and its empire) stood alone against Nazism and was suffering grievously for it: with the exception of the Battle of Britain and some naval actions in the Mediterranean, Britain was being regularly defeated. The Zionist pressure on Britain was not helpful to the defeat of Nazism, but, hey, I guess the end justifies the means.

      “Publicity stunts” – quite a novel redefinition of murder.

      “… by 1940 the policy that a Jew in Palestine was under Haganah discipline was well established policy. When the refugees boarded that ship they accepted Haganah rule.”

      Have you asked them?

    • @JeffB

      "What does a bombing in 1940 protesting British immigration policy have to do with 1947-8? And that the Haganah had done it was not known until 1957. This point doesn’t make sense."

      My point was that your claim that before 1947-8 there was only "sporadic terrorism" is wrong. Zionist conducted a campaign of constant, serious and indiscriminate terrorism for almost as long as they had been immigrating into Palestine. That they would target a ship carrying Jews to safety from Hitler's Europe almost beggars belief. Yet, Haganah did it; the fact that this was not confirmed until the perpetrator admitted it in 1957 is irrelevant.

    • JeffB:

      "The claim was they were forced out by Israelis. The truth is that first 350k left prior to the war starting and/or when there was just sporadic terrorism. A war incidentally the Palestinians thought they would win. People leaving a territory to avoid a war were not forced out by one side. So no, it doesn’t count."

      Someone forced the first 350k to leave. If you read Tom Suarez's book, you will see that what you describe as "sporadic terrorism" was a years long campaign of almost daily bombings, shootings, arson and intimidation - including against Jewish Palestinians who refused to co-operate with the Zionists (and never forget, the highest death toll of any of these acts of terrorism was when the SS Patria was bombed at Haifa in 1940, killing 267 Jewish refugees from Europe).

      Let us assume that the total number of Palestinians who left their homes in that period was 750k. What of the 400k who didn't leave before the war?

      As for your argument that people leaving a territory before a war were not forced out by one side, would you not agree that they were forced to flee by those who were threatening that territory, whether or not the bullets and bombs had started to fly?

    • @JeffB

      "The first 350k Palestinians were not forcibly expelled. They simply fled a war that everyone knew was going to happen."

      Clearly, in your view, the *threat* of deadly force doesn't count. If the Palestinians wanted to have a cast-iron case against Israel, they should have waited until the bullets and bombs flew. Perhaps they just loved their children too much to have them massacred by the various terrorist gangs that formed what is now euphemistically known as the IDF.

    • @JeffB

      "@RoHa Sure I can do a list of lies"

      You can do a list, but can you supply examples of these "lies", as you style them?

  • Leading journalists call 2nd Amendment an anachronism -- but spare Zionism
    • Bully for you, DaBakr.

      Are you going to do something to take military-grade weapons out of the hands of the civilians who have them? That would be get my praise and endorsement, no matter how much I disagree with you on other matters.

    • @JeffB

      "What Phil is talking about is an American lobby. I know USA lobbies much better than UK lobbies."

      So, why did you introduce the subject of UK lobbies if (a) it was irrelevant to Phil's argument; (b) you don't know what you're talking about?

    • @JeffB

      You've already given us the benefit of your keen mind on the relationship between British Jews and the three main British political parties (4 October: "Anti-Zionism pushed most Jews from Labor to Conservative so 3/4 are Tory. The remaining 1/4 float between Labor and Liberal-Democrat. In the Labor party there remain solid members of the Jewish establishment who are trusted by Jews.")

      Would you care to explain to us quite what this has to do with the topic of the current post?

      When you brought this up on 4 October, you said in your concluding paragraph: "... no one is willing to have the honest conversation about lobbies and ethnic community representation. Don’t know British culture well enough to know how you have the conversation politely."

      If you don't know British culture well enough on that issue, chances are you don't know British culture well enough to talk about it at all, and are ill-advised to keep bringing it up.

      To put it as simply as I can, what Phil is talking about in this post is essentially "omertà". You can quote all the percentages you want about who supports what, but you are not addressing the question - why the silence? You are yourself silent on the subject. Why does opposing the gun lobby/Zionist lobby result in political death sentences, loss of academic tenure, the ending of distinguished journalistic careers (e.g. Helen Thomas)?

  • Occupation, in the details
  • How Kurdish independence underpins Israel’s plan to reshape the Middle East
    • " These Arab states are artificial. For instance, there’s one with a totally made up Hashemite ruler, that is really a Palestinian state. Iraq isn’t a real country."

      You're so right - they are every bit as artificial as , um, Israel ...?

  • Do not turn the Balfour Declaration into a holy Jewish text
    • @JeffB

      "It was 2000 they killed."

      Absolutely. Those Argentinians scarcely mowed the grass.

    • @JeffB

      "The Arabs and later the Palestinians and even later the Jews opposed it, so it Britain [sic] wasn’t able to pull it off."

      Of course. The Arabs caused trouble first, then the Palestinians (is there a difference?) and finally, the Jews. Basically, the old Zionist crap about "you forced us to commit atrocities. We didn't want to but we had to, because you hate us more than you love your own children ...blah blah."

    • @jon s

      You assume that the Balfour declaration was sprung on the world on 2 November 1917, without any preliminary discussions, arm-twisting, toe-in-the-watering, money-promising, or any of the other things that are done before a government adopts a policy.

    • @JeffB

      Yes, an honest discussion of the Balfour Declaration would be useful. Let's start with this bit: "nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine".

  • A Jewish atonement for Zionism
    • @JeffB

      "The Roman empire became the civilizations to the west of India. That’s who the Zionist did address their complaint to."

      The Zionists addressed their complaint to the nations that were situated in the geographical area of an empire that had vanished 1,500 years previously, as though these nations were somehow responsible for what had happened 1,800 years previously?

      I can play that game, too. I demand a full pardon for Boudicca and her tribe, the Iceni. I further demand that the city of London (which she and her army sacked in 61 CE) be turned over to the Iceni's descendants, some of whom still live in Norfolk, a few probably in Wales and lots in the USA. I won't demand a return of the Druidic religion, though. I don't want to end up in a crouching position under the altar at Stonehenge.

    • @mcohen

      If you are still dissatisfied with the result of the Judean revolt of 132–136 CE, please address your complaint to the current Roman Emperor, not to us.

    • @mcohen

      "Von Ryan's Express" as a history lesson. I was already bewildered by JeffB's posts about the myth of the Roman people being descended from the Trojans. Now, I seem to be being sucked into some gateway to a parallel universe. Maybe I should just try believing six impossible things before breakfast.

    • @mcohen

      "zionism is a direct response to the rise of nationalism in europe ..."

      Zionism is part of the rise of nationalism in Europe.

      PS - If you used correct English punctuation and capitalisation, whatever you are trying to say might just be a lot clearer for your readers (you are presumably trying to communicate with us).

  • A plea to Israel: Don't start the third Lebanon War
    • @JeffB

      And which war would that be?

      "... if one considers armies operating freely on the territory with the government’s permission to be part of that country’s military ..."

      You're having to do a lot of work to pin whatever you're talking about on the Lebanese government.

  • Balfour Declaration, now 100, was 'gun pointed at heads' of Palestinians -- Khalidi
    • @JeffB

      You do know what a myth is, don't you?

    • @JeffB

      "Losing the Trojan war led the Trojans to found Rome (at least mythically). That doesn’t mean the Romans wanted Troy to be sacked."

      If the Trojans founded Rome, there must logically have been no Romans around to want Troy to be sacked.

  • How Israel is silently transferring Palestinians from East Jerusalem
  • Why the split inside the Democratic Party over BDS needs to happen
  • Jews have religious commandment to support Israel and fight BDS -- American Jewish Committee
    • @Boris

      "I believe Ireland has the right of return."


      If you have an Irish grandparent, you can get an Irish passport, provided you can prove the fact with the necessary certificates.

      Ireland is a member of the European Union, so EU citizens are free to work and live in Ireland, and many have already done so.

      Neither constitutes a "right of return" along the lines of the "right of return" of all Jews to immigrate to Israel.

    • @JeffB

      I was afraid the "maps and diagrams" would go over your head. I lifted it from a classic of English humour, "1066 and All That", which - appositely - is all about getting your history lessons all wrong and muddled.

    • Ethnic cleansing is a moral obligation. Discuss, and illustrate with maps and diagrams.

  • How Netanyahu's son became the poster boy for white supremacists
    • Thanks, Ossinev. Made me chuckle; and nails the absurdity of JeffB's analogy.

      Of course, Trump's mother was Scottish; so, I suspect, any day now he will endorse the SNP's desire for Scottish independence in exchange for a couple of golf courses.

  • New York TV stations smear Roger Waters-- who praises BDS as 'one of most admirable pieces of resistance world has seen'
    • @JeffB

      "I’m saying that if Hitler had been presented with a viable means of solving the Jewish question via deportation there wouldn’t have been a Holocaust at all."

      Deportation was at the very heart of the Holocaust. It was all too viable.

    • So his live performances fill stadiums around the world solely because of "Israel bashing"?

  • Israeli rightist Smotrich lays out the vision for apartheid
    • @JeffB

      "Jews in the UK [...] have individual rights they don’t have national rights."

      What on earth are you talking about? All British subjects/citizens have exactly the same rights, whatever their religion, gender or ethnicity. It has doubtless also escaped your notice that British subjects/citizens have equal rights with the nationals of the other 27 states of the European Union. Many of us are pretty pissed off right now that the British government, having decided to treat the result of the advisory referendum on membership of the EU as it it were Holy Writ, are trying to take away some of those rights.

  • Deja vu: Israeli Labor pol urges U.S. to take on 'axis of evil'
    • Sez Margalit: "If we’re not going to move, then Iran is not only going to become a threshhold nuclear state, which it is."

      So Iran is yet to become something it already is. Sounds like they've got Schrödinger's Bomb.

  • Ayelet Shaked and the fascist ideology
    • @JeffB
      "OK UK examples then. You still have a state church with the powers of a state church."

      And what powers might those be?

  • 'Voice of boycott' was heard in Montgomery and South Africa, why not Israel? Roger Waters writes in 'NYT'
    • I listen to Archbishop emeritus of Cape Town, Desmond Tutu - one of those all too rare people who give religion a good name. He said what Israel does to the Palestinians is worse than apartheid. That's good enough for me.

  • Democratic candidate for Illinois gov'r fires his running mate over BDS
    • @JustJessetr

      No pain, no gain, as they say.

    • @JustJessetr

      "Apartheid South Africa wasn’t brought down by boycotts. They came at the very end."

      No so. Sporting boycotts began in the 1960s. When I was at uni in the early 70s, students boycotted Barclays Bank because of its investments in SA. It was a long process, but ultimately played a big part in finishing the apartheid regime.

    • If BDS is so ineffective, why waste time opposing it? Just ignore it and it will wither away. Except that it won't. Because it is effective, and, in time, Israel will go the way of South Africa.

  • 'Nazi stuff': The Israeli government takes on African refugees
  • US Ambassador blames Obama for 'absolute betrayal' of Israel, and Palestinians for killing the peace process
    • The 2% figure reminds me of the arguments we have here in the UK about new houses (we are desperately short of adequate housing) "concreting over" the countryside. It's a scare tactic because housing/villages/towns/cities take up a remarkably small percentage of the total land area of the British Isles. Yes, you've guessed it - about 2 per cent.

      So, the 2% figure for settlements may be technically correct, if you define it narrowly as houses and gardens. The question is: who owns/controls the other 98% - the roads, the watercourses, the agricultural land, the natural resources, etc.

    • 'The Post asks about the relationship between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Trump.

      “Phenomenal. I think they have a lot in common.”'

      Well, he's not wrong on that one.

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