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John Smithson

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  • Hitchhiking to Treblinka
    • Perhaps a better mantra for Jews - 'a society will not prosper unless it treats its Palestinians well'.

      I recall the bible verse (just looked it up its from Matthew's gospel): to paraphrase "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." In other words - how you treat the least among you is how you treat GOD himself as he lives is all of us and loves all of us - the SAME. And that's ALL HUMANS - not just those in your ethnic/social identity group - restricting to a identity group like that is easy/profitable/game-able/etc - but not a stable long term strategy.

      To generalize - one may judge a society by how it treats its most marginalized, most poor, most detested members. Whether that be one ethnic group, the economically poor, the uneducated, etc. Not just Jews, but any 'low' group.

      Thus - a society will not prosper unless it treats its 'fill in the blank' well. You should be able to put any group in that 'blank'.

      How can an allegedly smart Jew be so blind to his own ethno-narcissism/rascism?

      Just sayin.

    • Agree with Citizen partially. Read the essay and was somewhat mystified about this "Mantra". So a society will not prosper unless it treats its Jews well? How narcissistic, self-centered, and perfectly irrational can you get?

      The USA prospered and continues to prosper because of FREEDOM. Freedom of the press, freedom to assemble, the right to vote. Free enterprise and competition. Etc, etc, etc.

      Its comments like these that just blow me away. I mean aren't we all supposed to treat each other well, regardless of race, creed, sex, etc. Because it's not only the right thing to do, it creates a free and dynamic society that grows organically and incredibly in ways we never predicted.

      Treatment or maltreatment of Jews? That's the reason a society prospers or not? Who the heck told you that? Get over yourself! What a pathetic and narrow view. Move ON and start working on solving problems instead of revisiting the past and blaming others for your problems. Think the Irish should hound the British for past maltreatment? Or any other group that was ever maltreated by another group ever in the history of the world? Forgive and forget for your own sanity's sake - and possibly your own future survival's sake.


  • Bill making it a federal crime to support BDS sends shockwaves through progressive community
    • DaBakr - nice job with 'everybody sucks' #4 on the four part Hasbara manual.

      We rock, they suck, you suck, everybody sucks. Right?

      Nice attempt at diversion - NOT.

  • Iran beats US for wrestling world cup, but you wouldn't know it from watching NBC
    • That's the beauty of this website - it grows roots and spreads. Good ideas do well in the marketplace of ideas and spread. No matter how hard others try to stop the meme from spreading.

      Phil and the boys pushed a relatively small rock down the hill, it's picking up speed and size as it rolls...

      Amazing how much more receptive friends and family are after a few years of 'closer' or more 'critical' observation of their own government, politicians, and Israel itself - once you look thru the new prism you can un-see what you've seen.

      Like the Soviet system - all seems powerful and solid, until the sudden collapse.

      Wish I could short Israel as a stock - wait, maybe I can...

  • Why a Texas rabbi keeps losing a debate over Israel with a white nationalist leader
    • How exactly? Seriously - what is problematic?

      I agree it may make some uncomfortable but my metric is more about truth and reality than about anyone's feelings.

      Fire away - I want to learn!

    • Methinks the Mooser doth protest too much! Stings don't it?

      Sorry to gore your sacred cow buddy...but that's what true friends are for - they let you know when you're full of it.

      Nice attempted deflection though.

      Good attempt at Hasbara #3 - the old 'you suck' approach. I'll let others judge if it stuck.

    • Approach to life by Super Smart Special people - be they white, black, brown, yellow, red...

      1) Tell yourselves your better and smarter than everyone else - and 'special'.

      2) Tell yourselves you deserve 'exceptions' in your case - because you're so 'special'. Pursue and obtain exceptions for yourselves whenever possible.

      3) Vigorously maintain a separate, exclusive culture - discourage your children from
      marrying 'the others'. Help others in your group way more than anyone outside your group.

      4) Wonder why you get picked on so much - then tell yourselves and 'the others' "it's obviously someone else's fault" and " 'the others' hate us because x,y, and z" - and hope you and 'the others' buy it. Never introspect or entertain the idea your own behavior and attitudes might make others justifiably upset - that's impossible, you're Special!

      Not really the smartest approach to life, but there are those who strictly adhere to it - despite ample evidence that it's really not a good way to treat 'the other' or even in the long run to ensure your own survival.

      But hey, what do I know - I'm not Super Smart nor Special!

      Probably tough for the Rabbi to have to see it all so clearly all at once when seeing his own reflection in the visage of a white nationalist...

      And just to pre-empt the 'Smithson is such an Anti-Semite' barrage:
      'Specialness' is not just a white nationalist problem or a Rabbi problem - just ask a Hutu, Nazi, Tutsi, Hottentot, Japanese WWII soldier, ISIS fighter, the list (sadly) is endless. We simple, dumb, non-special folk have to pick up broken, worn-out tools every generation and try the fix the current specialness situation and the resulting messes they cause. And now we get to post on the internet about it too - not that it does much good other than getting tagged as 'Against the Special People' - however they define themselves.

  • ADL is leading 'witch hunt' against Keith Ellison over Israel comments, J Street exec says
    • "The most unforgiveable thing about what Walt and Mearsheimer wrote 10 years ago was that they weren’t Jewish."

      What's that supposed to mean?

  • Why 'give him a chance' is not an option
    • 'Trump on the half-shell' - perhaps smoked or even Rockefeller style!

      Even dripping wet, I'm sure his hair would still be perfectly coiffed.

      No question he is a known entity as a business man, huckster, TV personality, serial bankruptcies, etc.

      But he is NOT a known entity as President. Let's hope it matters/shows that he doesn't owe ANYBODY a THING for getting into office. We actually have a FREE MAN as President.

      It's like after you make your first batch of money (known as F*&% You money) and you don't have to listen to your old boss.

      He's even free to go after the pharmaceutical industry that's been ripping off the populace with outrageously expensive GENERIC medications. Let alone the patented stuff.

      There's no limit to the damage he might do to your (or my) and anyone else's SACRED COWS.

      He might even act in the interest of the UNITED STATES in his foreign policy - which I'm sure scares the heck out of the neocons and other pro-Israeli types. They don't have any control over him either.

      Me, I'm just gonna sit back and watch the show for a while. I will humbly submit that I just can't say which way this one's gonna go - just like I was saying in the final weeks before the election. But let's admit - there is a chance we might see some favorable changes around here from a guy that isn't totally tied down like Gulliver by a million special interests the way Hillary is/was.

      As for the 'last person a President prosecuted', you lost me on that one.

      Love your comments as always Mooser - keep up the persiflage and rapier wit.

    • Dr Rothschild -

      Your piece brought to my mind the quote from Yogi Berra: "Predictions are very hard to make, especially about the future".

      I'm sure you have many valid points, but it still remains to be seen what Trump will (try to) do and what impact it will really have.

      There are a lot of people who felt their interests were not being served by the last 10-20yrs of government and were tired of sending in cash to the feds only to have it spent on stupid wars, etc.

      For me, I will wait and see. God Bless the United States of America! May she remain free to elect what appear to be total idiots - so long as it is the will of the people (through the imperfect prism of the electoral collage).

      Oh - And it was not 2/3rd of the US that voted for Hillary. Not by a LONG SHOT.

  • Epic battle looms over accused anti-Semite entering White House, and 'NYT' graywashes the moment
    • Billy -

      I'm with you on this one. Haven't heard any real evidence of this Bannon guys anti-Semitism but for his wife's divorce testimony.

      Having been branded an anti-Semite myself for taking umbrage with Israeli government policies I am a bit tender on the topic.

      Mr North - anything you want to add to the 'Bannon is an anti-semite' evidence - other than that someone else says he is?

    • Pretty thin reed to support calling someone a Jew hater. Anything else?

    • What say you North?

    • "So, between his pandering to AIPAC, his converted daughter and hard Zionist in-laws and a supposed antisemite joining his group, what is the final effect?"

      Maybe he's Jew-Neutral and Israel-Neutral.

      Maybe he'll just make decisions without thinking either favorably or unfavorably towards Jews and Israel.

      Maybe he'll make decisions solely based on his perception of what is in the interest of the United States.

      Would that really be so bad?

    • Mooser -

      Have you bought and sold or managed commercial real estate? I have, and successfully so far. It's a tough business. Not that it's full of ethical people who don't pull all kinds of morally and legally questionable stuff. But someone who's been at it as long as he has will be a tough seasoned negotiator who, we can only hope, will use whatever skill he has to advance the interests of the US.

      Can we stop with the Hitler hysterics and wait and see what comes?

      He most definitely did make a fortune, and maybe lost it, then made another and lost it, but nearly all business people who take actual risks will fail quite often before succeeding and then maybe failing again. We actually NEED people to take those risks, that's how new things get done. He's no saint, but let's respect that at least he's been in the fray and may bring some REAL CHANGE.

      God forbid we should keep an open mind Mooser. TIME will tell and nothing else.

    • He didn't make a fortune in real estate being predictable and easy to outmaneuver.

      Can we just sit tight and wait a little before wetting our pants and crying wolf and that the sky has fallen already?

      Am I the only one here that is willing to keep an open mind and see what ACTUALLY GETS PROPOSED let alone DONE before judging the whole administration as totally racist, bigoted, anti-Semites?

      Being more pro-American than pro-Israel or pro-ANYTHING ELSE is a plus in my book, so I'm willing to wait and see. As for those who think the Administration will be super pro-Israel, I'm guessing they will be in for a surprise, but maybe it'll be me surprised...

      But can we wait a bit and see before we assume????

    • "Antisemitism is being against Israel. That’s actually being against real Jews and our rights."

      Right - it's all turned on it's head. As for the first paragraph - something along those lines has been a concern of mine since 9/11 when I first started reading about Israel/Palestine. There have indeed been folks influencing things in US policy, and not always in a way perfectly in line with the interests of the US and instead perhaps more in the interest of another nation. Which is very risky business indeed. I've always been hoping to get the IP problem resolved peaceably, but seems the pro-Israeli types just keep upping the ante and stretching the rubber band ever more. My hope and prayer is that cooler heads will prevail but we'll have to see how this plays out.

      A frank discussion about IP and who's been doing what to influence our leadership here in the US will not reflect well upon Jewish folks in the US - that is an uncomfortable, but unavoidable fact.

      I would also submit that simply being unwilling to kiss certain butts does NOT make one an anti-Semite either. Being singularly pro-US is NOT anti-Semitic. Might not support Israel either - that doesn't make you an anti-Semite either.

      But who knows how definitions will be twisted in this new era we're entering...

  • Where do we go from here? Our thoughts & yours on the US election
    • Proceed as you have - provide clear eyed, perspicacious, thoughtful reporting on things related to the 'War of Ideas in the Middle East'. You provide something that I treasure and support and promote as best I can.

      You guys are the best and I've been following since it was a Yahoo group (I think) anyways ever since I would Google 'Mearshiemer and Walt' regularly and see what came up.

      Don't change. Keep your eye on the horizon and don't be pulled of course by a squall that will pass quickly. Stick to your principles, keep a cool head, and tell the story as you always have.

  • 'A revolt against the future': Quick reflections on the November 2016 Election
    • and I thought this website was concerned about the 'War of Ideas in the Middle East'.

      My concern coming to this website is (as it has always been) how to pursue the interests of the UNITED STATES in our foreign policy. The party of the president (or congress) doesn't seem to matter.

      Yes Trump one, yes people are still pissed about being lied into the Iraq war, yes people are pissed not a single banker or regulator went to jail after the mortgage crisis, and yes Hillary is very much associated with all that. I don't see the result as all that complicated - people wanted an outsider, someone who might, just maybe, start doing things 'better'.

      But why the heck does Mondoweiss have such a biased article up? I never thought of this site as left or right wing. Mostly just pro-American and pro-justice. What gives?

  • Day One in Trump's America
    • Nice one Mooser! The cerebral elites are made uncomfortable by the unwashed masses voting for what they see as their own interests - How dare they!! So now it's - "they must all be total racists!!". God forbid you consider that maybe there were other reasons to vote for Trump other than only outright bigotry and racism.

      As for this 'Trump is a racist bigot' - no doubt he said some racist stuff during his run, but watch him change his tune now that he's stuck actually carrying the load that is the Presidency. We'll see. As for me I was raised to support the President regardless of party - and see to his impeachment if he reveals himself worthy of it by his actions in office.

      They both came as a package. Neither was all good or all bad.

      Like I said I don't recall the constitution being destroyed Tuesday night. Just a lot of people's illusions. Let's get on with the business of moving this country forward.

      For the record I am not defending the deplorable stuff in this article - it's the actions of racist idiots which we will always have in our midst, unfortunately.

    • You know I heard the same stuff after 9/11 - one colleague was complaining - 'They are beating up brown people' in the days after that event.

      Sorry to say it but it sounds a little hysterical. We still have a constitution, free speech, checks and balances, etc. Set tight and let's just see where this goes.

      Let's be a little more circumspect before we conclude we've just 'completely lost our democracy' or some other inane conclusion/statement one makes when you don't agree with the outcome of a political contest. OK?

  • The List: Cuomo's anti-BDS executive order is a first amendment nightmare
    • Or maybe those companies on the 'List' will enjoy having people flock to them to buy the good and services they provide, as a way to support BDS.

      Never know how this will turn out...

  • Max Boot has perfect propaganda on murdering medic-- but Jeffrey Goldberg is silent
    • Isn't this just #3 in the classic 4 part Hasbara?

      1) We Rock 2) They suck 3) You suck 4) Everything sucks

      Maybe a bit of #4 as he adds Europe to the mix.

      Nice deflection but not biting.

  • Lamar Advertising censors 'Boycott Israel' billboard in Chicago
    • Wonder if CTA buses or 'EL' trains will allow these ads. Those are government run entities so first amendment would apply - no? Maybe WTTW ads? Or would 'community standards' also apply to government run/owned entities ad space?

    • So what does the contract say? Can you guys sue or what? You need money for that? Just ask!

    • This is local to me - someone texted a photo of the billboard to me when it went up. I have a call into a friend with more legal knowledge - will follow this one along. It is still a free country right? We do still have freedom of speech right?

      I have the kids watch animal farm when we take long trips in the car - eerily similar ain't it?

  • New Jersey teenager threatened with legal action by high school over pro-Palestine activism (Update)
    • Drip, Drip, Drip...

      The dike will be breaking, just a question of when.

      Good to see the young people pointing out, as usual, that the emperor has no clothes!

      Frank Guadagnino has got to feel pretty bad by now. Hope he apologizes to her once he deprograms himself.

      Darn refreshing - will send along to folks for their erudition.

  • 'NYT' does not own the Karmi house, former bureau chief stresses
    • 'We’ve been through this before, but your own article implies that the New York Times and its reporters occupy the same house in which Ghada grew up. That is not true.'

      A distinction without a difference? 'We don't occupy the house - just the apartment above built after her family was exiled'. Oh - my mistake, obviously the two ideas are totally separate.

  • Posters linking Muslim students and BDS activists to terrorism appear on college campuses in California and Washington, DC
    • Right - isn't there a defamation lawsuit in here somewhere. Reverse the situation and put Hillel or some other Jewish group in these posters.

      Seems like BDS shouldn't take this slandering sitting down - there's money to be made after all - or at least some free publicity...

  • Egypt's destruction of Gaza tunnels leading to economic and environmental disaster
  • (Update) This year for Halloween your child too can help defend the Israeli occupation
    • wow - the comments are scathing....and often hysterically funny.

      this is one time where you really start to see the ground shifting - I will probably bring this up at Halloween parties this weekend and get a serious laugh from EVERYONE!

      sometimes it's the little things that really change things.

      Maybe it's just the context of putting this on your child that brings home how far the situation has gone off the rails over there.

      Drip, drip, drip...

  • 'Most-read' article at Washington Post calls Israel 'savage, unrepairable society'
    • But the difference barryisman is that I'm paying for Israel - my tax dollars go to support ISRAEL.

  • Muslims are Nazis, 'USA Today' jokes
    • I sent this today.

      Mr. Gallagher –

      I am writing to express my bewilderment that you would somehow think the recent Nazi Skeleton ‘Allah Akbar Baby’ cartoon could in any way be part of an effort to fight Islamophobia.

      Quite the contrary, as I see it the cartoon caters to exactly the Islamophobic sentiment you purport to condemn.

      Consider the thought experiment where a similar cartoon is constructed but this time the terrorist groups all share a Christian background with ‘Hail Mary, Baby!, or perhaps a Jewish one with ‘Mazel Tov, Baby!’.

      Would the comparison of Jewish or Christian groups to Nazism be construed as an effort to fight an anti-Christian or anti-Semitic trend? Run that by any Catholic Bishop or Abe Foxman at the ADL and see.

      The courtesy of a reply is appreciated,

  • Lawrence Summers says BDS movement is 'persecuting' Israel
    • His specious argumentation is so bogus - and this guy was the Head of Harvard? He's either a moron or blind to the truth (or maybe not blind and just lying/eliding his way thru an argument). Really - which is worse?

      And what is it exactly the qualified him to run the Fed or Harvard?

      It's stuff like this that makes me worry about the future of the U.S.

      I mean since when did any ethnicity's sensitivities trump the truth? It's guys like him that help cause anti-Semitism thru their insulting bullshit - trying to twist any sense of fairness and justice on it's head by demanding we all listen to him or be labeled 'anti-semites' - while Israel beats the crap out of defenseless increasingly landless indigenous folk.

  • Obama cites donor pressure re Iran, but 'NYT' won't tell you what he means
    • Sure Hophmi. And you can tell that to the huge raving mad mob when it finally assembles and comes after whomever it's been that's been pushing the US into all these recent wars...

      Your dissembling may somehow assuage your guilty conscience (if indeed you have one), but it won't change what could quite possibly be some very cruel realities in your future and it certainly is fooling no one - even those of us with Goyish Kops.

      Reality exists - I suggest you deal with it in a more effective way. But ultimately it's your call how to proceed. Just don't come bitching to us later, and no you can't stay in my basement.

  • Our Year-End Campaign: What Mondoweiss Means To Me
    • I own one. Got it a few years ago from Phil and Max.

      Maybe they could make it like PBS and if you give over $100 you get a free t-shirt.

      How about it Phil et al?

      Remember when this thing was a yahoo user group?

  • University of Exeter students vote to boycott Israeli settlement products in a landslide
    • I love the flag image - don't vote for it - you'll put some poor Palestinian factory worker out of a job.

      To me it's like saying: 'Don't give CHEMO to that man who has a completely curable cancer, he might get a RASH!!!'

      How unbelievably disingenuous and inhuman. A new low. Glad to see the Exeter students possess the perspicacity to vote the way they did. Yeah you guys!

  • 'I can't be silent. It is genocide' -- Anoushka Shankar
    • I called my Senator (Mr. Mark Kirk) last week and almost fell over when I got this reply after asking what position the Senator has regarding the situation in Gaza:
      "Hamas is like Nazi's. The more Nazi's you get, the more Hamas you get, the more death you get". After hearing this and almost laughing out loud, I asked if the staffer was serious - she replied 'he stated this publicly, it's his position'. So I called back a few minutes later and asked whichever staffer I got (I think the same one) to slowly repeat it so I could write it down. At that point, the staffer must have gotten excited as she went on to add other statements of the Senator like: "Let me say this so that the people can hear me all the way to the Senate floor. I will carry our message that in the Senate, we stand with Israel"(staffer informed me this was while speaking at the Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago). Other quotes: "His heart goes out to the men and women of the IDF" - when I heard this I asked if the Senator's heart goes out to the men and women of the US Armed Forces too - I got no answer. Another quote: "We should not have a cease fire until Hamas is militarily defeated by the IDF" and finally "Was is exactly what Hamas wanted, so we should make sure that they lose it" - I asked who 'we' was referring to - I got no answer.

      'Senator Kirk', I asked, 'Did he take the oath to protect the US from all enemies foreign and domestic?' I asked. "He sure did" - the staffer responded. "Well I hope he always puts the interests of the United States of America first - don't you?" - no answer from the staffer.


  • Congresswoman who visited Israel on AIPAC's dime has no time for relative of boy beaten by Israeli police
    • I just called her DC office - 'she has no position or statement'. The staffer seemed pretty shaky/emotional when pressed to fully understand what the implication of having 'no position or statement' when a US citizen and constituent has the crap beat out of him by a foreign police force. I advised her to quit working for such a person.

      Anyhoo - here's the contact info for Congresswoman Castor:
      Washington Office Phone: (202)225-3376
      Tampa Office Phone: (813)871-2817
      St. Petersburg Office Phone: (727) 873-2817

      Have at it Mondoweissers!

  • When the going gets tough, Roger Cohen gets going
    • Awesome, just great. Thanks for this and all you do on the topic. I have faith that it will get better, but also believe we have to make that happen. Let's to it then - more evangelizing on IP, drip, drip, day the dam will burst.

      Hope we get to see the change in our lifetimes. It is our burden I guess. "Every generation got it's own disease. I've got mine."

  • 6 DC heavyweights tell Kerry, Netanyahu in West Bank is like Putin in Crimea
    • AFAIK it is NOT in the report. I read the book and the only place IP comes up is when they asked KSM his motivations. Fitzgerald's testimony is available on the 911 commission website, but only if you watch the video and know where to look (I don't know of any transcript of the testimony - that you could search on and find stuff more easily). There is also a video of a guy pestering Hamilton at a press conference about the IP/911 connection, whom Lee brushes off. o/w I don't know of any other info.

    • From 9/11 hearing: "What motivated them to do it?" was finally asked. Lee Hamilton, vice chair of the 9/11 Commission said, "I'm interested in the question of motivation of these hijackers, and my question is really directed to the agents. ... what have you found out about why these men did what they did? What motivated them to do it?" The agents looked at each other, apparently not eager to be the one to have to say it. FBI Special Agent Fitzgerald stepped up to the plate and laid out the facts, "I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States. They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States." But this testimony was kept out of the 9/11 Commission Report and no recommendation was given to address the main motive for the 9/11 attacks.

    • I am puzzled about how this comment string got so hi-jacked into a discussion about Russia - who cares? Looked to me like the main thrust of the article was how totally unfair and inconsistent the US approach to IP has been.

      Zbig, Hamilton, Pickering, Seigman (I haven't read the other 2 as much) all get IP. Hamilton was on 9/11 panel and was the only one to ask 'Why did they do it? What motivated these men?' - anyone know what the FBI officer's reply was?

      I found this refreshing and hopeful - slowly we are giving timid, less 'into the issue' folks room to feel freer to explore and learn without fear of retribution. Another drip of water on the wall of sugar cubes that separates most Americans from the truth about IP and their governments complicity in these atrocities.

      Again the concern is what happens when the average guy figures out who's been pressuring his government to make this terrible policy a reality.

  • Loyola student government president vetoes divestment resolution
  • 'NYT Book Review' owes readers an apology for printing blatant racism about Palestinians
  • The settler's welcome
    • I'm PLUMB (er) out of jokes on this one.
      BUTT I'll try and CRACK the problem.
      Eventually the SPLIT will have to occur,
      Raising the LOWLY even if they have the wrong jeans.

  • 'We need to remove all the posters from the system' -- Boston censors the Palestinian narrative (Updated: The ads are going back up)
    • FWIW I called MBTA and at first was asked to say which ad I am complaining about - after I would not say I was referred to the 'Customer Communications' line.

      Called back later, spoke to 'Carlos' who said in 7yrs of working there he'd never heard of any (well maybe one) ad being taken down. Also he said he had NOT heard of any complaints about any particular advertisement. He was not able to tell me which ad I was calling about because there hadn't been many complaint - he kept asking - which ad are you talking about?

      Finally he referred me to Dr. Beverly Scott at [email protected] to send my complaint/issue to. Also he recommended I contact Secretary Richard Daveys.

      Let's get crackin'.

    • I think you should consult an attorney and make sure you understand your rights on this one. On what basis are they being taken down, etc. There is a free speech issue and the bar should be pretty high to stop free speech. Look into it. Any lawyers here at Mondoweiss able to review his contract? Henry Clifford and his group have rights - dont' they?

  • The unasked question in the PEW poll on American Judaism
    • " If Christianity is defined as a religion of redemption and Islam as a religion of surrender, you know from the get-go that little is going to happen except assimilation to power. "

      Can you clarify this? Who/What is assimilating to power?

  • Backlash against Netanyahu: He gets 2-1/2 hours with Obama during shutdown, trying to thwart Iran opening
    • I just went thru the link - that really is odd. You can still see the transcript but the video is just bizarre!

      Down the memory hole it goes...

  • The gun lobby, the Israel lobby, and the double standard
  • Fear of democracy in the Jewish community
    • Here here Clif Brown!! I myself have 'intermarried' and have mixed blood kids - who are regularly complemented for their looks, behaviour and achievements!

      Never ceases to amaze me to hear about meetings like one described in this article.

      The group is not so much looking to figure out what is the right thing to do, but rather what is the right thing to do FOR THEM.

      Thinking first about yourself always, in the end, leads to just more problems.

      I'm all about dissociating myself and my government from Israel in its current form - and trying to get a fair and stable resolution to the border issue begun in 1948.

      Been on this issue since 9/11 - slowly beginning to understand roots of anti-semitism and I fear it's resurgence - it's like watching someone slowly fall down the stairs for 15 years and not being able to do a thing about it.

  • Where were Chuck Hagel and Bill Kristol in Vietnam era?
    • W Jones - what the heck are you talking about 'Catholics as a minority trying to prove themselves militarily, going back to the Civil War'

      Never, ever, heard of that before.

    • Very different from this?: "Service was simply what people did. It’s the way neighbors helped each other and looked out for one another. It’s what the French historian Alexis de Tocqueville found so remarkable about our democracy and its people in the nineteenth century. Service to others. Service to your country... Service meant that when your country called, you answered the call. It would never have occurred to anyone to question it. If the president said he needed you, that was enough."

      Please elaborate on your sense of service - we unsophisticated midwestern Catholics need some learnin'.

      And I'd really come to like and respect you - please help me.

  • In choosing Hagel, an antiwar president gets backup from the new Israel lobby
    • No I don't see how I am reading it wrong. But whatever anyway.

      I don't see how that judgement is germane to the article and I find it offensive/supercilious/ethnocentric/anti-gentilic/etc...


      Quote: When David Frum said that Chuck Hagel was qualified to serve in the State Department's Near East Affairs bureau, it was an ethnic crack. He was saying, Hagel is an isolationist and an "Arabist," of the sort Bill Kristol thought he had successfully purged from the Republian Party. (end of Frum's thoughts). (Beginning of Phil's thoughts) Hagel does seem like a throwback to the James Baker realist school. He doesn't seem like a philo-Semite. He's a midwestern Catholic, not particularly sophisticated.

      Can you help us Phil? How about a little respect for us midwestern Catholics?

      And what is this about? Update: I removed my comment about Hagel's son being named Ziller and going to a Catholic university as stupid and offensive. Apologies.

      So calling midwestern Catholics unsophisticated isn't stupid and offensive?

    • And just what exactly was Davey Frum inferring?

      Actually - I don't think it was still part of what Frum was saying - it was a comment from Phil as I read the paragraph.

      Again I ask Phil - what exactly is that supposed to mean?

    • "He's a midwestern Catholic, not particularly sophisticated."

      Excuse me - what exactly is that supposed to mean?

  • It's time for the media to talk about Zionism
    • This is one of the main reasons I follow IP. One is to stop having my money sent to support the unfairness. The other is concern about just what exactly is going to happen once the 'ordinary people' become aware of just what exactly has been going on all this time. The more I watch this stuff (since 9/11, now 11 yrs) the further back the rubber band is getting stretched - boy it's gonna hurt when it snaps back. We'll see.

  • The meritocracy is rigged
    • Out here in the boonies (mid-west) it is fairly well understood/known that you may or may NOT be getting a bright person when you meet/consider hiring a Notre Dame graduate. That's because legacy can count for so much with them.

      Perhaps a Harvard graduate will be looked at similarly - if Jewish, maybe the kid isn't really all that bright.

      Reality bites.

  • NYT's Jodi Rudoren responds to criticism of Facebook comments
    • Jodi Rudoren writes:

      “while death and destruction is far more severe in Gaza than in Israel, it seems like Israelis are almost more traumatized. The Gazans have a deep culture of resistance and aspiration to martyrdom, they're used to it from Cast Lead and other conflicts, and
      they have such limited lives than in many ways they have less to lose.”


      “And I've been surprised that when I talk to people who just lost a relative, or who are gathering belongings from a bombed-out house, they seem a bit ho-hum”


      My first tears in Gaza came just now reading her piece about what it's like to be in Jerusalem, where she brought her 2 sons for "a year in which their world became bigger and more complicated, since everything in their lives up until now had been measured out in equal units of comfort and Lego."

      Do these lines not mark her as ‘culturally bound’ within her Judaism and frankly racist?

      How can you keep her on as correspondent in Jerusalem with good conscience?

      You should send someone who at least has a chance of being objective!

      Shame on you!

  • 'All In': Marriage, rights and hypocrisy in the case of David Petraeus
    • "just like straight people, can get in trouble, lose our jobs and be publicly ridiculed when we have sex with someone who isn’t our spouse."

      When you marry someone, you take a vow/make a promise. When you cheat on your spouse it marks you as a moral defective, an oath-breaker. Argue away, but my advice is: 'Never go into business with/trust a man that cheats on his wife (or husband, in the gay case) because he'll lie to anyone'. I am assuming gay people will take marriage as seriously as heterosexuals - should I not?

      The specifics of this case will come out over time, but yes you really should NOT trust those people that cheat on their spouses - there really is something wrong with them morally. and you'll know that after they violate your trust too.

      God I'm old fashioned aren't I. I even plan to pay off my mortgage - what a cad I am.

  • Debbie Netanyahu Schultz
  • Ninny Middleton doesn't understand the job description
    • Actually, as you can get your Vitamin D in a tablet you need not expose yourself to the carcinogenic rays of the sun to get your Vitamin D. Sorry!

      Sunscreen is not causing osteoporosis - just get grandma a tablet a day and she'll be fine.

      But if young women choose this method for getting Vitamin D, I'm all for it. Just so long as they don't complain about possible consequences (when daddy finds out, etc.).

  • Coptic Christian leader of organization that produced anti-Muslim film spoke at Pamela Geller's anti-mosque rally
    • yrn -
      I myself send an email out about the AP and NYT reports when they first went out (I have an email list I keep updated on IP) and had to send an update once more info was known.

      At this point, I have to say I'm really not sure where the story ends. I have more questions than answers:
      Where did this guy get the money?
      Who actually made the film (he seems to be a con-man, not a film producer)?
      Who did the Arabic translation of the provocative trailer?
      Who put it out on YouTube at this time and why?
      Who exactly killed out Ambassador in Bengazi? Or aided/abetted in the killing?

      The situation is evolving at this time - I for one am waiting for the dust to clear (if it ever will). And for the record it was embarrasing to find out AP and NYT had it wrong initially. FWIW - I think the 'felonious hooliganism' charge might apply to the Basile guy (or whatever his name is) but I'm not a DA.

  • Jimmy Carter on Corrie verdict: 'The court’s decision confirms a climate of impunity, which facilitates Israeli human rights violations against Palestinian civilians in the Occupied Territory.'
  • Torturing a Palestinian, a literary titillation
  • Exile and the Prophetic: Have you been conquered by the bible?
    • What is with this guy? Enough!
      Why the big platform for this guy?
      I find a lot of this offensive/off-putting at least.
      What a condescending blow-hard - 'rah rah Jews!' - WTF?

  • 3 stories without legs
    • Mooser - Just so long as you don't complain when others get funny/sarcastic with something you value/believe/respect.

      Jesus's ideas were and remain radical. Total selflessness, lack of materialism, willing to sacrifice yourself for the sake of others, etc.

      Jesus never validated the inquisition, so don't imply he did. Get real.

      I remain unmoved as to the idea that the quotes provided from bible out of context have somehow validated the idea that Jesus was 'less than righteous'.

      Let's stay focued on this site at the task at hand. Calling other people's Gods names is not productive. If I ever do so, please correct me.

    • #1 - it's part of a parable - refers more to the time of final judgement when Christ returns (end times) and will be for God to implement at that time, not us (that's my reading). If you want to twist stuff (or if so-called followers of Jesus want to do evil and twist this into something else) you can, but don't think Jesus was saying he wanted to have those that won't follow him NOW killed, but rather that there will be an ultimate judgment (after he's gone a while...get it, it's a parable). Here's a more complete reference:

      11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13 Calling ten of his servants,[a] he gave them ten minas,[b] and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’ 15 When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business. 16 The first came before him, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant![c] Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made five minas.’ 19 And he said to him, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ 20 Then another came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’ 24 And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ 25 And they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten minas!’ 26 ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

    • As I suspected, it's hard to find something to back up your unfounded and inflammatory claim. This comment of yours (in my opinion) has no place on Mondoweiss.

      If we were at a dinner party we'd now be having a scene - and when everyone realized what it was about you wouldn't be to welcome anymore.

      Last post by me calling you out on this. Any response Woody Tanaka?

    • Woody - Can't let this one go by without questioning. Which teachings of Jesus Christ's were 'very much less than righteous'?

    • Name one teaching of Jesus Christ that was 'less than righteous' - please.

  • Responding to 'the Atlantic' smear on Mondoweiss
    • How so? Please elaborate on the 'classic anti-semitic blood libel' part of Alareer's article. Thanks.

  • 'Do you feel more Arab or more American?': Two women's story of being detained and interrogated at Ben Gurion
    • Thanks Annie - Was very incensed by the post the other day - didn't realize there was a second on the same topic. Appreciate your following up. Will use the archive function in future.

    • Was an entire THREAD removed? I can see one or two comments being removed (and replaced with 'this comment was removed') but an entire thread?

    • Phil - Why was my comment deleted? Looks like an entire string of comments that began with Fredblogs entry justifying the US Embassy's asking whether the citizen was Jewish as it might relate to how Israel looked at the US citizen.

      Am I getting old? I can no longer find that thread. Thanks.

  • US Embassy to American in trouble in Israel: 'You're not Jewish? Then we can't do anything to help you'
    • 'Of course they asked if she was Jewish, that’s like a lawyer asking his client if he is underage (it matters to the court so it matters to the lawyer). It matters to the people doing the deporting, so it matters to the embassy. There is no right to be in a country of which you are not a citizen, if they want to deport you for any reason or for no reason at all, they can....'

      Fredo, it should be noted that being Jewish is not the same as being an Israeli citizen. The US State Department can ask if you are an Israeli citizen, but if you identify yourself as an American citizen to the US State Department they should not ask your ethnicity (are you Jewish, Irish, etc.) - that should be irrelevant - all rights and benefits of citizenship are fully yours within the USA or in any other nation, regardless of ethnicity.

      Believe me, you do not want the government asking who's a Jew and who's not.

  • US to differentiate between 'personally displaced' Palestinian refugees and their descendants
    • Just sent this by email to Senator Kirk:
      His website:

      Just a quick note regarding your recent legislation proposal: "It shall be the policy of the United States with regard to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) that a Palestinian refugee is defined as a person whose place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who was personally displaced as a result of the 1948 or 1967 Arab-Israeli conflicts, who currently does not reside in the West Bank or Gaza and who is not a citizen of any other state."

      Did you really intend to not count the children and grandchildren of persons displaced in 1948 or 1967 as refugees?

      This thinking could be applied to the Jewish claim on Israel thru a similar 'refugee' status lasting hundreds to even thousands of years.

      Seems a bit one-sided, but I would like to hear what you have to say about this question.


  • Neocons in Washington Post: Military strike on Iran would 'calm nerves in the region'
  • When is someone going to lose his job for calling someone an anti-Semite?
    • Of course guns make us safer - can you imagine what a pain it would be to try and fight an armed populace like the US - have to take every street in every town? If, that is, we all have the courage to fight and die for our freedom. In this sense, the Afghans and Gazans have shown a lot of fortitude - whether you agree with them or not - OMG I just pulled a Guillen of my own!!!

      Handgun/Machine gun deaths in the inner city are tragic, but are not a reason to disarm the populace. Rather we might consider legalization of now illicit drugs or some other change to our drug policy.

      Maybe you laugh, but I just played a hockey game with only 5 guys and a goalie on my team vs a team of fireman with four lines (20 guys) - and we tied them after an overtime. That's why we play the game, why we fight - you don't know the outcome and couldn't live with not knowing if you could have prevailed. It's an attitude, a way of life. Like the expression 'The difference between an adventure and an ordeal is attitude'.

      Don't forget - the people have all the rights, execept those explicitly given to the government.

      Have to say I have sympathy for Sin Nombre's comments below about the 'road paved by the PC police'. You just can't believe the mixture of fear and cognitive dissonance and looked of awed disbelief I get when the topic of IP comes up and I hold my ground - especially bankers, they seem like they're afraid for me. I tell 'em - just back me up once we make it safe to speak out.

      End of Rant

    • Don -

      Just read on Guillen. Not similar comparison. Guillen works in sports and is paid much because it is popular. To lose his job because he alienated Cuban in Miami is reasonable because the team needs to fill seats/get popular and Guillen just messed that up. Kinda like a CEO driving the company into the ground should be fired.

      Looks like his Mea Culpa will allow him to keep his job anyways.

      Pointing out that Israeli policies are immoral and getting called an anti-semite is NOT similar to what happened to Guillen. However, if pressed most conservatives (I think) would aknowledge Guillen's freedom of speech, but would also aknowledge that team management might have to let him go (Guillen is not free from consequences of his speech).

      Believe me, I'm sure I get invited to less dinner parties, etc and have lost friends due to taking a stand on IP - I don't complain about the consequences of my speech; but do have a shotgun in case the government starts trying to limit it (lot of good that'll do me).

    • Sin Nobre - You know what people are going to call you right?

      Conservative!!! Maybe even a PALEO-Conservative!!!

      You mean you would actually rather be FREE than SAFE???? You're more concerned about the rules of the game than the outcome?? You think only FREE men can be moral??

      ME TOO!!

  • Connecticut Senate hopeful calls congressman a ‘whore’ for AIPAC in televized debate
    • ...or as Dirty Harry used to say 'He's a sniveling simp'.

      Glad to hear this getting out in the open like this. Lee is not facually incorrect, but is tactfully and tactically lacking.

      It is interesting to watch others awaken, just remain hopeful that when the scales fall from the masses eyes that more bad stuff won't happen to innocent folks.

  • StandWithUs manufactures boycott of Jewish deli in Olympia
    • Shocking isn't it. That some people in a free society would choose not to patronize an establishment based on it's real or percieved support Isreal. Even if it was an organized boycott - it's part of the marketplace of ideas concept.

  • 'Tablet' describes American veterans of IDF experiencing 'dual loyalty' issues

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