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  • Bret Stephens equates anti-Zionists with white nationalists in the 'New York Times'
    • My guess is you would be in the same quandry if presented with a document that said Muslim states have a right to exist.

    • I think Stephens made a brilliant connection. I hope it offends you on a very deep level. Just like you hope it offends Jews in general when you equate Israel with White Nationalism.

      Here's hoping Stephen's comparison becomes mainstream.

  • Open letter to singer Nick Cave from the Gaza war protesters he once supported
  • Nick Cave urged to cancel Tel Aviv shows by Roger Waters, Angela Davis, Thurston Moore
    • There is no picket line.

      There is no "Lawless Apartheid Israel", in the sense that it has capital letters and is a proper noun.

      There IS a general belief among BDS that people are stupid and will swallow anything fed to them.

  • Pesspotimistic reflections from besieged Gaza
  • Eli Valley lost work at Jewish paper for savage cartoons of Foxman and Dershowitz (but only the Israeli press cares)
    • It reminds me of how Robert Crumb was attacked for his work. In the movie "CRUMB" he says (I think I'm getting the quote mostly right), "Maybe I am dangerous. Maybe they should take my pencils away and lock me in a room somewhere."

      Whether it's Charlie Hebdo, or Valley, or Crumb, when cartoonists are blocked from their standard publication it strikes me as particularly low and cowardly. It's like parents punishing a kid who expressed his rage that there isn't a Santa Claus after all and did it through a really bad crayon drawing of the people who fed him that whopper from the start.

  • Balfour at 100: A legacy of racism and propaganda
    • @ echinococcus.

      If you're going back 70 years, then you're talking about the entire existence of Israel. You're against it. You think it should be abolished. You're a one-stater at best.

      There is absolutely zero diplomatic traction anywhere in the world for abolishing Israel as a state or pushing for a one-state solution. Not even Iran is for a one-state solution. Even among Palestinians there is no political movement of any significance for a one-state solution .

      So all you have in the end is your rhetoric. And quite juvenile rhetoric at that.

    • "Indeed it is , so let Israel get out of occupied Palestine, start obeying international Laws and stay behind it,s self declared Borders ,which it is very luck to be allowed to have , considering what they did to get them"

      You're missing a step. What are the Palestinians going to do so that the Israelis get to that point? Something that has worked. Something that gives them a little bit of power, maybe?

    • 50 years is enough time to see that a strategy or tactic doesn't work. It's time to try something new.

    • @ John O

      Nope. It was the violence of the ANC among others that got SA rethinking. Plus the public shitshows year after year of peaceful protesters walking directly into harm's way like here in the US in the 60s. If the Palestinians can't do all of that in the long term no matter what the Israelis throw at them, BDS will be nothing. And it IS nothing if you want to look at the results so far.

      This Balfour garbage is a losing strategy repeating itself.

    • Undoing the Balfour Declaration has as much chance of passing as BDS has of gaining a single Palestinian their rights, their land, and their money. Which is to say not at all.

      The plight of the Palestinians grows worse everyday, yet you encourage another long-term losing strategy.

  • Speakers censored by Jewish Historical Society vow to stage events elsewhere
    • By all means, Phil. Support another 50 year losing strategy, one that will gain Palestinians no money, no land, and no rights. Just like BDS. Oh wait, is there a call from Palestinian Civil Society ( note how that is a proper noun, and definitely does not equal the Palestinian population at large) to pursue this idiotic quest? Doubtful.

      Additionally, true censorship can only be enforced by the government. More accurate to say the Historical Society, and everyone else who has the term censorship dumped on them, is freezing someone out. The word censorship really is thrown around way way way too much, so much so that it's losing its meaning.

  • Democratic candidate for Illinois gov'r fires his running mate over BDS
    • And I don't embrace strategies that hurt the very people they are supposed to help. No matter who calls for them. You're damn right I'm biased.

    • Apartheid South Africa wasn't brought down by boycotts. They came at the very end.

    • BDS is PEP. Nothing that BDS does has created an inch of progress in 50 years of boycotts. Arguably, the plight of Palestinians grows worse by the day, and meanwhile boycotts of Israel gain them not speck of land, earn them the rights they deserve, or put a coin in their pockets.

      What Israel does to the population in the West Bank and Gaza is horrible, but to fight it by adopting a losing strategy that infantalizes Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians, and whining about non-starters like how Israel should be one-state, is hardly progressive.

  • Debunking the 2 claims: anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism, and BDS unfairly singles out Israel
    • "Then who does? Ultimately, who is the final judge? Everyone can read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, but who has the ultimate deciding authority? Someone everyone must respect and follow? Who exactly?"

      I waited three days for an answer to this. No one could come up with one.

      Therefore it's of course up to the oppressed group, in the end, to decide what is oppression. If significant numbers of Jews have weighed in with enough supporting feeling that anti-Zionism is or leads to anti=Semitism, then to reject that claim is bigotry.

    • "Yes, indeed–human rights are universal. And separate identity groups don’t get to define for themselves what human rights are any more than they get to define for themselves what racism is."

      Then who does? Ultimately, who is the final judge? Everyone can read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, but who has the ultimate deciding authority? Someone everyone must respect and follow? Who exactly?

    • If evidence is what you want, evidence is what you deny. Governments across the world are weighing in that anti-zionism is anti-Semitism. but you just think that's just the power of the evil Jewish Lobby. And that's why I think it's bigotry.

      And of course it's all up to the oppressed to define what is oppression. that's how grassroots movements get started.

    • No, giving people the benefit of the doubt that they are being discriminated against, and not speaking for them, is part of the bedrock of social justice. Why don't you support Blacks, Jews, and Asians when they speak out against bigotry? I'm sure you will point out Jews who agree with you, but there are a great many who don't. Human rights are for everyone, not just those you agree with.

    • Thank you, Governor Cooper. Fighting bigotry and letting Jews themselves define what is anti-Semitism, just like one must let Blacks and Asians define what is racism, is supporting progressive values.

      https://www.jta.org/2017/07/30/news-opinion/united-states/north-carolina-governor-signs-anti-bds-legislation

  • Join Roger Waters on Facebook Live as he discusses his support for BDS
    • Another heavyweight stepping into the ring against you, Roger: Michael Stipe. Sold more albums and stuck his neck out more for his own political causes.

  • Israeli musicians to Thom Yorke: Canceling Radiohead show will disrupt Israel's 'business as usual' facade
    • Because Yorke is the one taking great pleasure in telling BDS to fu*k off.

      Boycotting Israel doesn't help a single Palestinian gain rights, land, or money. It's a 50-year old losing strategy. Normalization is the way to go.

  • 'Please remember the Montgomery bus boycott'-- letter to Westchester County board before BDS vote tonight
    • And actually the news broke 10 days ago. So you'd think that a fervent European BDS activist would have been able to supply a meaningful quote from North Holland adminstrators by now. But no such luck. I remain unconvinced. Just because I went out with my umbrella doesn't mean I can claim on the internet that I made it rain.

      https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1948187702088754&id=1535858456655016

    • Hmm. No quotes in that article from those who rejected the bid. Not sure I would just take BDS central's word for it. So the failed bid came after BDS activists waged a campaign. One doesnt prove the other.

    • And how does this and other successful boycotts of Israeli business earn the Palestinians one parcel of land, one human right, or one coin in their pocket?

      It doesn't, it never had and never will. BDS is not about Palestinian rights. It's strictly anti Israel, which is not the same thing.

    • @annie

      "lol! how generous of you! like wall street is as least as much to blame for real estate crash in 2008 as as the scores of minorities who lost their homes through crooked loans. j u s t s t o p"

      LOL. It's just as generous for you to sacrifice Palestinians to a tactic (BDS) that has produced no results except false hope for a Palestine from the river to the sea and a 1SS.

      If the foundation of boycotts rests on Palestinian Civil Society, then at least admit what PCS actually is: 170 one-person NGO's who are funded by Europe. Mostly the Dutch. PSC is not synonymous with the average Palestinian on the street. PSC are highly paid and living in some of the most expensive real estate in the world: Ramallah. Paid mouthpieces for others who would fight to the last Palestinian and not get in harm's way themselves, much like yourself and Phil Weiss.

      And the 1SS solution is a long way from drawing support in the WB or Gaza, or even from any Palestinian political faction.

      MW is invested in the status quo, even more than Israel. It allows you to feel smug and self-righteous. At least Israel can claim that land is the issue. What's your excuse? Human rights? I've never seen such a load of poisonous crap in my life when your poster-children suffer more and more each day in the vain hope that you and your fellows will come to the rescue.

      50 years is enough to state that boycotts simply do not work in this case, because they never have.

    • That's wonderful. Blame and boycotts. Keep up your losing strategy. You have nothing to lose except Palestine.

    • Aaaaaaaaand...no one can point out any such victories, large or small. All you can offer Palestinian's is 50 years of the same rhetoric. So glad you are willing to fight to the last man, as long as that man is not you.

      Normalization: you know exactly what it means, because you rally against it. A peace deal for what's left of the land, economic ties, an end to hostilities.

      And yes, Israeli resistance to peace is as much to blame as the Palestinian leadership. And the Arab/Muslim leadership across the globe in general. But Palestinians will never gain any kind of power until they gain economic power. Palestinian goods are available to sell in Europe and the US, and therefore they can be sold in Israel with an equal exchange of Israeli goods. While politics will attempt to warp all this, it's really the only course to peace. It's time to drop the dream of a 1SS and the hope that if Palestinians can wait it out long enough Israel will collapse under it's own weight, or the US arms industry will stop it's lobbying of Congress, or something equally ludicrous.

    • That particular slice of rhetoric has been wrong for the past 50 years.

      Arguably, the life of Palestinians has grown worse by the day. Please point to one right won, one piece of land gained, or one dollar in a Palestinian's pocket that is a result of boycotting Israel.

      Normalization and the 2SS is the way to go. It's the only thing that will save the land and the dignity of the Palestinians, what little they have managed to hold onto under occupation.

    • Oops.

  • Mother Palestine takes on her most diabolical enemy yet -- Apartheid!
    • I applaud the creative approach.

      However, I'm sure that many more people refused to see "Last Temptation of Christ" for it's secular interpretations of Jesus, and Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ" for it's blatant anti-Semitism. Neither movie was hurt at the box office.

  • Israel provoked the Six-Day War in 1967, and it was not fighting for survival
    • "Nasser’s closing of the Straits of Tiran has been similarly distorted in the Mainstream Narrative. Finkelstein explains that Nasser may actually have had the legal right to close the Straits, that he probably did not intend to maintain the closure, and that he offered to take the dispute to the International Court of Justice, but Israel refused. And Israel would not have choked overnight, but got 95 percent of its imports through its other ports and had a several months’ reserve supply of oil."

      "May have had" does not mean he DID have the right.

      "But got 95% of..." Then NF is not a general, nor is he a citizen of a country that has ever been threataned with invasion. No one, absolutely no one would remain still when 5% of their income is held hostage. Not even 1%. And yes, that includes Palestinians.

      If the mainstream narrative doesn't convince you that Israel would have been invaded, then just go with the most convincing sources I've ever found: the Arab narrative.

      The Arab forces intent to invade Israel.
      The October War, Memoirs of Field Marshall el-Gamasy of Egypt. El-Gamasy, Mohamed Abdel Ghani.
      "The crisis had been precipitated by intelligence from Syria, and the USSR, on Israeli troop concentration on Syria's border. This intel was not accurate, but despite the personal disclaimer by...Fawzi, Egyptian troops were rushed into Sinai for the stated purpose of helping Syria in the event of an Israeli attack."
      “One might ask if the political leadership was fully aware of the situation when it asked for a pullout of UN forces and closed the Straits, since both actions clearly and inevitably led to war…And if those facts were known, was it right or acceptable for the armed forces to be pushed into a war for which they were unprepared?”
      "With great bitterness, I must admit that Egypt was not at the time ready for war...I see no reason to play down the factors which led to the defeat."
      "It appears that Field Marshall 'Amer ignored the report [from Fawzi] and did not take it's recommendations [against closure of the Straits] into account when, in May 1967, he agreed to the closure of the Straits of Tiran, which led to war."
      "With great bitterness, I must admit that Egypt was not at the time ready for war. Several senior commanding officers had been seriously concerned about the poor state of the army which by 1967 had become a victim of the difficult conditions and circumstances in which it had to operate. If I admit this quite frankly, it is because I see no reason to play down the factors which led to the defeat."

      On the Arab governments openly planning and calling for war, and that Israel was surrounded by armies...

      Arab World: Political and Diplomatic History. Menachem Monsoor, May.
      Radio Damascus: “The war of liberation will not end except by Israel’s abolition.”
      Nasser, addressing trade unionists: “If war comes it will be total and the objective will be Israel’s destruction…” (May 24-26, 1967)

      BBC, Daily Report, Middle East, Africa, and Western Europe
      Shuqayri, PLO chairman pledging loyalty to Hussein: “We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants and for the survivors—if there are any—the boats are ready to deport them!”
      Hussein: “All of the Arab armies now surround Israel. The UAR, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Lebanon, Algeria, Sudan, and Kuwait…There is no difference between one Arab people and another.”
      President ‘Aref of Iraq: “Our goal is clear—to wipe Israel off the face of the map. We shall, God willing, meet in Tel Aviv and Haifa.”

      Six Days of War. Michael B. Oren
      ‘Amer, talking with Shuqayri: “…soon we will be able to take the initiative and rid ourselves of Israel once and for all.”

  • Through 'severe pressure,' U.S. can impose a two-state solution on Israel -- Nathan Thrall
    • Talknic, whatever the ZF have been doing all that time, they haven't been dangling a false hope in front of Jews and Israelis. What one-staters and BDS sheep like yourself do is give Palestinians false hope, from your nice safe perch above it all, that they can have everything from the river to the sea. It's simply not going to happen. Normalization is the only way for them to salvage what little is left. They've gone with Arafat, they've gone with the PA, boycotting, the Pan-Arabists, and they have gained exactly nothing of what should have been theirs long ago.

      You damage Palestinians more than you imagine. You are a problem, not a solution. It's time to get real and ditch your ever so predictable rhetoric and start to contribute something useful.

    • Hey, then keep marching fown a blind alley towards a 1SS. Even though the idea is a, "...long way from drawing majority support in the West Bank and Gaza.”

      You hurt Palestinians more than you imagine.

    • I'm glad Thrall says that a two-state solution is the way. He is rising above the illusion of a one-state solution, for which there is no diplomatic initiative anywhere in the world. No Palestinian faction has supported a 1SS*. Not even the Islamic Republic of Iran supports a 1SS. It's time for campuses and journalists and bloggers to get real.

      *Thrall himself: "Advocacy among some Palestinian intellectuals and their allies for enfranchisement in a single state, the so-called one-state solution, has not been endorsed by a single Palestinian faction and is a long way from drawing majority support in the West Bank and Gaza."
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/opinion/sunday/the-past-50-years-of-israeli-occupation-and-the-next.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region

  • Trump may want a deal, but Israeli Jews are not interested
    • "Secular Israelis arent producing enough kids to offset the growth in the Haredi and settler populations. This is why there are so few normal people in the Israeli government."

      That is a very bigoted thing to say if you think about it, implying that Haredi aren't normal.

    • Phillip,

      You support Israel's economy by visiting Jerusalem, you support settlements by visiting West Bank settlements, you support West Bank businesses by going to Zionist meetings here in the US and drinking imported West Bank wine.

      When exactly is your boycott of Israel supposed to begin?

  • Memo to Trump: US won't escape Mideast wars till Israel ends oppression of Palestinians
    • Echinnocorus,

      Gloating and facts are two different things.

      All I stated were the facts.

    • Respectfully, I'm not sure you're aware of the facts. Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt do brisk trade with Israel. And it's an open secret that most Middle Eastern nations have business ties to Israel. Even the Ayotollah Khomeni kept up oil trade with Israel for a few years.

      As for Europe, there is ample evidence that their labelling system "Made in the West Bank" hasn't impacted Israel's economy overall, though there is certainly evidence of a few West Bank businesses that have been hurt by the system.

      Foreign investment in Israel keeps rising, with expected setbacks like any other country.

      The Leviathan natural-gas fields has a great many nations waiting in line to make a deal, though the process has been stymied by all sorts of roadblocks which are unrelated to boycotts.

      Israel's medical, water, and tech industries are doing quite well. And it looks set to get into cannabanoid derivatives as well.

      Normalization between Israel and Palestine is the only economic path that will help Palestinians gain any kind of power. Boycotts of Israel since '48 have only increased their plight, not alleviated it.

    • ooops.

    • "“The Arabs don’t want us here, so there will be one war after another till they accept us,” a Jewish friend in Jerusalem once explained to me. When did that vision ever work for anyone?"

      It certainly hasn't worked for the Arab/Muslim countries who refuse to make peace with Israel.

  • New charter, old politics
    • @ Annie: "i have not been made aware this site has an “only supports a one-state solution” policy. i think you’re mistaken jj."

      Please provide a link to where you (the editors) explicitly support a two-state solution. I don't have to be right, but I've ALWAYS seen the 1SS being championed on MW.

      I'd also like to see, because I predict you'll claim you never championed Hamas either, a link to an article where you (the editors) reject them.

    • LOL!!

    • @ Eljay and Echinosorus,

      Nothing would give me greater pleasure than if you both killed each other fighting over Hamas. Please continue.

    • You better hope Hamas doesn't cross your path then.

    • Does Hamas' new 2-state position mean that MW drops their support for Hamas?

    • Does this mean MW will no longer support Hamas? MW only supports a one-state solution.

  • Trump's new war has neocons, Clintonites, and Israelis applauding, but left and realists dismayed
  • No room for Zionism in any movement for justice
    • Another case of BDS as Jew bashing.

      That only certain types of Jews are considered, by a non-Jew no less, to be OK in a movement for social justice is just as hateful as saying no Jews at all. Ms. Elia, you don't get to say that any Jews are welcome or unwelcome, just like I wouldn't get to say only certain types of Muslims are welcome or unwelcome. May Allah forgive you for your despicable hatred.

  • The 50th anniversary of the occupation will rock the Jewish establishment
    • Ossinev said: "Ah yes now I get it silly me now I understand so it was just like Gemany`s invasion of Poland in 1939..."

      Webmasters: To say that Hitler didn't fire the first shot, or was somehow drawn into invading Poland is Nazi apologia and the commenter should be banned from MW.

  • Fordham retaliates against student for protesting SJP ban
    • Then pro-Israel groups (if they existed) should also be fully supported by the Fordham administration as any SJP group, and be as unfettered to speak their mind as the SJP, and free to receive unlimited financial backing from outside sources just like the SJP.

      Personally, I think Fordham has found a terrific moral and legal angle from which to view anti free-speech, [..] like the SJP.

    • http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/360305/fordham-bans-students-from-joining-pro-palestinian-campus-group/

      Fordham tossed out the SJP because:

      "Fordham has no registered student clubs the sole focus of which is the political agenda of one nation, against another nation,” the statement read. “The narrowness of Students for Justice in Palestine’s political focus makes it more akin to a lobbying group than a student club. Regardless of the club’s status, students, faculty, and staff are of course free to voice their opinions on Palestine, or any other issue. There is also no pro-Israel student group at Fordham. There is a Jewish students’ club, but its description does not mention Israel."

      Thank you, Fordham! I hope other universities take note and follow your lead.

  • The legislation that will be used to intimidate and imprison members of the Muslim community has been introduced
    • I don't know about assasinated, but being banned is a great start!!

      http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/360305/fordham-bans-students-from-joining-pro-palestinian-campus-group/

      Fordham is tossing out the SJP: "Fordham has no registered student clubs the sole focus of which is the political agenda of one nation, against another nation,” the statement read. “The narrowness of Students for Justice in Palestine’s political focus makes it more akin to a lobbying group than a student club. Regardless of the club’s status, students, faculty, and staff are of course free to voice their opinions on Palestine, or any other issue. There is also no pro-Israel student group at Fordham. There is a Jewish students’ club, but its description does not mention Israel."

      Thank you, Fordham!

      And the MB most certainly is a terrorist organization. Arch-fundamentalists who want another repressive Islamist government that will attempt to smother women’s rights, gay rights, Christian and Jewish safety, and drag Egypt into a pointless war with Israel. Even MW agrees, or at least the smarter posters like Walid do.

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/revolution-huntingtons-civilizations/#comment-575061

      I certainly hope that the vast majority of Muslims in this country (who also make up 25% of the African American community) who are law-abiding aren't going to be targeted. They need to hold massive demonstrations making their peaceful intentions clear.

  • Santa Cruz church becomes first US congregation to boycott HP for role in Israeli occupation
    • @Annie,

      Well, it's a good thing we've got a written record of what I said rather than what you heard. I did answer your question, directly and explicitly. That you chose to indulge your feelings rather than your brain just means you need a better therapist.

      Annie: "what do you think of all these people who treat the boycott movement as if was a major threat? all the time and effort in making anti boycott laws in so many states? billionaires like adelson hosting conferences on how to stop it? efforts to shut down and silence palestinian activism on campuses? are they all just crazy and wasting their time? if the boycott was so ineffective, why not just ignore it?"

      JustJessetr: "it reminds me of Y2K. In the end, it was a non-event. But in the run-up to it, and I was very much a part of the run-up, the preparation and the blame and the doom-saying was feverish. The Israeli gov’t and it’s allies are preparing feverishly, because to do nothing and hope it all fixes itself is unwise. That’s all. One doesn’t sit quietly while one’s enemies spread lies, especially in the days of the internet. I don’t favor Likud, and I don’t like how they oppress Palestinians, but let’s not pretend they’re unintelligent."

      Again, @ Annie: "with over 60% of dems favoring sanctioning israel and the largest US demographic supporting israel is old people vs the young not supporting israel. i figure we just need to keep doing what we’ve been doing and watch the chips eventually fall where they may."

      Ah, yes. Those highly insightful polls. The ones that predict Clinton will win the vote against Trump. What if the polls are wrong and Trump is elected?

      And I wouldn't rely too heavily on "young people" coming to the rescue either. These are the same demographics that were supposed to sweep Anderson, and Mondale, and Ferraro, and Nader, and Gore, and Dean into the White House. The same demographics that grew up during the Vietnam War and were supposed to end US imperialism through protest and socialism and not paying their taxes. I count myself among the lot who are sad that none of that ever came to pass, but admitted to myself that most young people scream a lot but then fail to show up on election day. Or are too busy dicking around with Israeli-made technology to realize that they are working in direct contradiction to their own purported political beliefs.

    • Well, since everyone is shifting around in their seats uncomfortably, trying to give something more than a weak response to my post, I'll point out what you don't want to admit in public.

      MW and the BDS movement was thrilled to hear that Israeli commandos killed Turkish activists in the Gaza flotilla. They clucked and crowed, and that this would be (yet again) the nail in Israel's coffin. That, dear Annie, is the link you are so desperately trying not to see between this article and my post.

      The Arab Muslim world will shriek and howl, but it's been an open secret that they engage in business deals with Israel regardless. No one twists their arm, they simply give lip service to the Palestinian cause. This detente between Israel and Turkey is the beginning of a deal to exploit the Leviathan field for natural gas. Other countries in the Middle East will step into the line for their own deals. And no amount of tut-tutting from MW or a church or anyone else will knock Israel's economy off the rails from this point onward, except the stupidity of the Likudniks, and I don't doubt it for a minute that they could shoot themselves in the foot.

      And your question, dear Annie, is just another duck and dodge regarding my post. But since you ask: it reminds me of Y2K. In the end, it was a non-event. But in the run-up to it, and I was very much a part of the run-up, the preparation and the blame and the doom-saying was feverish. The Israeli gov't and it's allies are preparing feverishly, because to do nothing and hope it all fixes itself is unwise. That's all. One doesn't sit quietly while one's enemies spread lies, especially in the days of the internet. I don't favor Likud, and I don't like how they oppress Palestinians, but let's not pretend they're unintelligent.

      I really don't have a dog in the Zionist or anti-Zionist fight. Israel will stand or fall on the strength of it's own diplomacy and economic strategy, just like any other country. But I do view boycotting Israel, at heart, as Jew-bashing. So I stand against it. And as someone who had Palestinian friends if only briefly during my two years living there, and has helped put money in Palestinians pockets (which even if it were one penny, is 100% more than any of you have ever helped) I find your guise of being pro-Palestinian to be ludicrous at best and harmful to Palestinians at worst. Their situation grows worse by the day, and you think that awful pictures of suffering will change things for the better. They haven't so far, what makes anyone think more of the same is the solution? Feel free to pick apart my logic while completely missing the point as you always do, but my question is the one you can't seem to answer for yourself. Why do you respond to a call by BDS that lets you engage in activity that you know only hurts Palestinians at large and only enables their addiction to victimhood?

    • Has it occured to MW that awareness of Palestinian suffering has been around since '47, and that not a single thing has been accomplished through boycotts? Not one penny in a Palestinian's pocket, not one right earned, not one dunam of land returned. Arguably, Palestinian suffering increases by the day, and all you do is encourage symbolic, useless boycotts that have been ignored by the people who should care the most: fellow Muslims and Arabs.

      http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-prosecutor-flotilla-case-against-israel-ended.aspx?pageID=238&nID=106814&NewsCatID=341

      And back here in the West, it really doesn't make sense to argue against Israel and global capitalism from behind computers that support them both.

  • 'Make this my dream as well' -- in historic appearance, Palestinian offers one-state vision to a NY temple
    • @mooser

      I have no idea what idea it is you are trying to get across. But thanks for the shout out.

    • @ Echinoccoccus

      Your response is pure gobbledygook and avoids the point I made.

    • @Annie.

      And why would you believe that report that you quoted? Because she is a pro-BDS supporter and that's that? You have no evidence to back up what she dropped in your lap. You, as you've said in the past, are not a member there and have no idea how things actually work or even what happened. How your source (Naomi Brussels) reported the events is simply not what happened, or at least leaves out the much more important parts. Naomi Brussel is a verifiable liar, and you choose believe lies.

      And no vote was dodged. The Agenda Committee schedules these things when they decide. Nothing underhanded.

      And the vote was legal and done out in the open.

      Once again, you choose to believe lies. You swallow them. Your metabolize them. They become part of you. It's so easy to see.

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