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  • Trump may want a deal, but Israeli Jews are not interested
    • Kaisa of Finland May 24, 2017 at 1:09 pm

      P.s. What I learned quite soon was that, the fact that I was interested in and had studied some Arabic was not a thing to mention to everyone, not even to those with the Middle East background. It immidiately raised some suspicions towards me..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 24, 2017 at 12:55 pm

      Echi/Yoni F.

      Thanks for your information!

      Most of the people I lived with had Middle East background and their parents did not teach them Arabic. I know, because as an outsider (who did not know anything in the beginning), I just couldn't understand howcome they did not teach their language or tell their childhood memories to their children. As I said, Arabic was not a language highly appreciated in Israel.

      Anyway, I don't know about their rights for getting citizenships to their parents first homecountry (the 1st generation are so old, they are soon gone anyway).

      The way I experienced it, it is a complicated matter..

      But I am not defending the occupation or the discrimination towards the Palestinians in any way. I just don't see any simple solution for it.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 23, 2017 at 7:47 pm

      MHughes976:

      I never thought about this before, but when I was living in Israel, I never heard Israelis talking about Palestinians, they always called them Arabs..

      "I have an Arab working for me", "In Jaffa there is this good restaurant kept by Arabs", "Let's go and by some baklava from those Arabs"..

      That of course gives somehow more "distant position to them".. They are not us, they are something else, Arabs, where as to call them Palestinians, would have tied them closer to the area and the history of the place.. And "to us", beacuse part of the Palestinians were Jewish..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 23, 2017 at 7:21 pm

      But there is a problem with the Jews and descendants of those who came soon after 1948..

      These people - specially the 2nd generation, do not have any another language or a passport to use. As I was told by many of those who came from the area of the Middle East after things got "heated up" around 1948, they had to leave everything they had (money, language, identity*) by the border to try to fit in the "Ashkenaz idea" of the Jewish State. Arabic as their strongest language, was not that highly appreciated.. And their culture being much closer to their Arabic neighbours than their new Ashkenzi fellows caused more discrimination, than some happy harmony between the new Jewish citizens of the state.

      Anyway, I think the problem of Israel today is that these "two passport-birthright-Zionists" do not need to try to build any peace, since they know that, if things get too bad, they'll always have a possiblity to easily fly somewhere else, where as those, to whom it is their only "home country" now, to negotiate about peace, might me much more important.

      When I was in Israel none of my friends had too passports and I really did not know how big part the U.S. Government/Zionists play in this awful game..

      *Most of them never taught their mother tongue to their childern or tell officially their nice childhood memories from their first home country, cause it did not fit the official story of Israel. But f.ex. when asked, many of the Iraki Jews I met, had quite good childhood memories of a quite wealthy life in Irak, untill the State of Israel was established and things got worse for them..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 22, 2017 at 10:02 am

      As I wrote in an earlier comment of mine:

      "The propaganda is there just to keep the “Zionist elite” in power, beacuse, if the “average people” found out that there are just “average people” living in both sides of the borders, that "elite" would loose their power and everything they have built their lives on.."

      What I experienced in Israel was that people had been raised to fear the Palestinans all their lives, since they were children. Even those decent, moderate, well-educated people honestly believed, that if the occupation ended and Palestinians got their own state, they would immediately come and kill all the Jews. Being afraid of the Palestinians seemed to be the one and only thing that unifies most of the Israelis together and since they otherwise are such a widely heterogenic group of people, they might have a problem to keep the state together for themselves, if not having that common enemy.

      So the propaganda serves those in power and then again, if you are born and raised with propaganda, how would you know about something else..

  • Internet 'redresses' Miri Regev's 'capture of Jerusalem' themed gown at Cannes
    • Kaisa of Finland May 21, 2017 at 10:07 am

      I must add that the google translator does not really get the structure of Finnish language.. You'll get hilarious translations and when sometimes used in translating "product data sheets" (?) it just becomes a totally "un-understandable" mess. So atleast now, we still need a human understanding when translating from one language to another..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 21, 2017 at 9:16 am

      RoHa:

      :) !

      I once tried to learn some Chinese.. The same word would change completely in it's meaning, if the intonation changed. Also those thousands of different symbols frustrated me and in the end I just gave up. I still remember how to say "Hello" = "Ni Hao", but there the right intonation also is important and that is the only expression where I was able to get it somehow correct..

      So half a year and one expression.. Someone might call that a waste of time..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 21, 2017 at 4:13 am

      RoHa:

      "Damned prepositions.."

      Yes, indeed!! They are one of my weakest points in English (as are the: a/an/the also, since there is nothing compareble in Finnish..) I know the "theory" behind them, but in practice.. Well, sometimes I just use them so wrong..

      And since this is where "my logics" come from:

      I fear the people: Pelkään ihmisiä = to fear=pelätä + I=-n = pel-kään , people=ihminen, plural=-i + postp.=-ä = ihmis-i-ä (singular being = ihmis-t-ä)

      I fear for the people: Pelkään ihmisten puolesta = for= -en + puolesta, plural=-t (singular being= ihmis-en puolesta)

      So what can I do, but to be humble, try my best and admit that mistakes will be made.. And ofcourse I am thankfull when corrected :) That's anyway the only way to become better.. :) :) :)

      P.s. I think Japanese is pronounced somehow like Finnish, the vovels and everything, but that's where the similarities end :) Not that I'd speak even one word of it, just heard when it has been spoken..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 20, 2017 at 5:21 pm

      "I do not fear FROM them "..

      Thanks catalan, this is what you get when there is a "language handicapped" involving the discussion.. Anyway, many of the Israelis fear from (?) the Palestinians, so I guess it was easy to make that mistake.

      Anyway, thanks for correcting me!!

    • Kaisa of Finland May 20, 2017 at 2:19 pm

      Oh my dear English language:

      I guess it should have been "reject me" not refuse.. RoHa might correct me here.. I just couldn't get any suitable word in to my head when writing that..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 20, 2017 at 11:48 am

      catalan:

      "I fear for the people of Gaza"

      It is because you are supposed to fear for them. If you did not fear for them and just met some of them, you might see there is nothing to fear.

      When I decided to visit West Bank for the first time, I was told by my Israelian friends that the Palestinians are "barbarians" who will robb me, rape me and quite surely kill me immediately when I cross the border. I am not proud of it, but in the end I had to lie I was going alone to Jerusalem, to be able to go.

      When I got to the WB, I found just nice people who wanted to show me their homes and their surroundings, most of them well educated and open for very honest discussion of just everything there came up.

      When I finally came back "home" at Israels side, no-one wanted to hear about my experience and everyone just pretended I had not been there. They did not "refuse me" or "turn me away", but everyone just pretended nothing had happened.. It was a weird experience, but maybe the truth would have been too painfull for them to hear, since they were not Nationalists or politically active Zionists, just "normal working people" living their "small" everyday lives, and maybe their way to cope with "the truth" was not to know.

      The propaganda is there just to keep the "Zionist elite" in power, beacuse, if the "average people" would find out that there are just "average people" living in both sides of the borders, they'd loose their power and everything they have built their lives on..

  • US diplomats say Western Wall is in West Bank, and Nikki Haley backpedals
    • Kaisa of Finland May 22, 2017 at 11:47 am

      And all that talk about peace and "fight against terrorism" at the same time "the Guy" is going to sell a huge load of guns to the Saudi leaders. Sounds like a big joke.

      When ever peace have been made by using guns.. ??

    • Kaisa of Finland May 22, 2017 at 11:35 am

      RoHa:

      Yeah, and in Teheran, there is this Iranian (Danish born, with Iranian parents) girl who runs her own Danish style coffehouse and employes about nine other women in her Cafe.. You just dream about that in Saudis.. (and yes the customers can be both men and women..)

    • And that evil evil Iran, so bad, so mean.. Unlike Isrelis with their eternal occupation or Saudis where the women have much less rights than in that "banned Iran"..

      I don't know where this logic comes from, but maybe as a woman, I am too simple to understand..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 19, 2017 at 12:17 pm

      Maghlawatan:

      "The 1973 Arab Israeli war was US/Israel v Soviet Union/Egypt/Syria "

      Thanks, I must go back to that. I am trying to understand how things ended up like they are today.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 18, 2017 at 5:54 pm

      lead, not leed..

    • When did U.S. politics/zionists take this big role in Israel?? There is a "big black hole" in my knowledege/understanding of that..

      Allthough I have studied both the History of Zionism and the Middle East, it is unclear to me.. As I have understood, it has not always been like this??

      In a democracy, it should be one vote for each inhabitant, but now it looks like, the rich (or otherwise privileged) Zionists in U.S. have much more influence in Israel, than an average Israelian citizen can ever have.. And how have the Israelis accepted this, the fact that their fait lies in the hands of U.S. "donators".. ?? It makes it practically impossible for an average citizen of Israel to oppose the majority in their administration or to be involved when forming new legislations....

      I wish Mr. Trump would keep his "a bit undiciplined" style on this and just decide that Palestinians need their own place too, with West Bank and East Jerusalem without settlements. And I would just love to see what a chaos it would cause (inside the Zionist elite) and respect D.Trump for that. At the moment he is the only one who could do it..

      (Not that it would immidiately leed to any changes in practice, but it would deffinately "let some fresh air" into these "established constructions"..)

  • Jake Sullivan seeks to rebrand 'American exceptionalism'
    • Kaisa of Finland June 6, 2017 at 4:13 pm

      RoHa:

      Summer holidays started, so I have not had time to read Mondoweiss.. I agree with you, that the parallel societys are the problem and the 2nd generation is the one that is vulnerable. It has now been shown so many times what happens, if they do not get "rooted" in their new home country, since they usually do not find their parents 1st country home either.. And that is why we have to help those who need help. Not all of them do. But those who do.

      I had to come here to give you this link:

      I guess this explains atleast something, why Finns are what we are..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 30, 2017 at 8:13 pm

      Mooser:

      "Oh well, when the EU and NATO break up, you can find out what real colonialism is.."

      Are you using some kind of Russia card in here?? If you are, well thanks.. Atleast I know where you stand..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 30, 2017 at 8:08 pm

      Mooser:

      "Yes, and haven’t we proved in the past, it is not the best way to do it??” Ah, so the immigration to Finland is colonialism? Yeah, you bet. Oh well, when the EU and NATO break up, you can find out what real colonialism is.."

      Sorry, I did not get this at all??

      Where have I said that the immigration to Finland is colonialism??

      I do not believe in closing the borders and I am always ready to meet everyone as a person/individual, but when someone starts to claim that his/hers freedom of religion requires gender segregation in school or that they forbid their children to be too much with other Finnish kids, so they would not become "too Finnish", I don't understand why I should approve this??

      I think we all have several identities and f.ex. these Finnish Somalian kids have to have a possibilty to find their own identity somewhere in the middle, since they have their Somalian background, but they have grown up here.. I can't tell what it is, but I think they deserve the freedom to decide for themselves, not their parents forcing them to marry someone they do not want to, or sending them away for some years just to "make them more Somalian"..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 30, 2017 at 7:14 pm

      Mooser:

      And yes, we have this new organization here speaking about the problems, helping these children and it was founded by a Somalian (Finnish) woman.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 30, 2017 at 6:59 pm

      Mooser:

      It is a serious matter and we are just trying to work on things, together with those with Somalian background too.. But f.ex. this attacker who exploded himself in Manchester had connection with a Somalian Finnish boy and we'd rather want people to feel so much home here that they do not have to become members of Isis or other terrorist groups. And there has gone several years no-one knew about these things until the Somalian teenagers started to talk about it (some even searching help for) themselves.. So shouldn't freedom of speech and religion mean that parents should not force their children their religion or way of life, or does the freedom only go for the parents??

    • Kaisa of Finland May 30, 2017 at 3:53 pm

      Mooser:

      "Oh, I see, you have heard of colonialism.."

      Yes, and haven't we proved in the past, it is not the best way to do it??

    • Kaisa of Finland May 30, 2017 at 2:11 pm

      I have to add here, that these cases I mentioned above, have mostly been connected to our Somalian minority who have been in the country for several decades now and are not connected to those immigrants who have come from the area of Middle East. And of course not all the Somalians are the same, but for some reason among them there has been these problems (also them sending their daughters to be circumcised in their home country since here it is illegal).

    • Kaisa of Finland May 30, 2017 at 1:42 pm

      Bont Eastlake:

      "I’m sorry to say but immigrants are not slaves to be burdened with “duties".."

      Yes, but if I now with 10 000 other Finns would move to the West Bank, settle all together in a same area, refuse to learn to speak Arabic and respect the local values, drinking loads of alchol and hanging around in the streets half naked, would you not think this is inapropriate?? Well, I would.

      The problems we were talking about with RoHa were connected to the facts that some of the immigrants refuse to respect/accept f.ex gender equality and the Gay marriages and if we now have worked decades to achieve these similar humanrights for everyone, my opinion is that, if those values are too much for an immigrant to accept then he or she has a possibility to move to f.ex to Qatar or Bahrain where there is lots of work available and the society shares those same values. (I have some Tanzanian muslim firends who have been in Qatar working, so yes it is easily possible.)

      In Scandinavian countries there are examples where parents who have refused to accept the values of their new country, have taken their children out of the school and sent them against their will to some strictly Islamic country "to learn the right values and to not to assimilate too much" and since this has been really traumatizing for the children some of them have "lost themselves" and f.ex. radicalized and left to Irak or Syria to fight in the local wars or to be brides of the fighters.

      For me "to fit in" means that you can keep your own traditions,religion and language as long as you also learn the local language to be able to communicate with the people around you and accept the main values of the society, which are the "base" the society is built on. If these values are too much for you to accept, there are plenty of other countries in the world where your values will be shared and then you can choose to move there. If you want the good we have here (f.ex. the free education and health care for everyone*) you also have a responsibility to accept the values that make these things possible for us all, also for you.

      * Just mentioning these, beacuse these are the things most of the immigrants say, if asked to mention somthing they appreciate in Finland.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 29, 2017 at 10:10 am

      Maghlawatan:

      "Finland is different to Israel. In principle it is a good idea to learn the language.."

      Sorry, now there are two different discussions mixed. That was my comment originally when talking with RoHa about the immigrants in Europe and how to avoid radicalization and their separation to parallel societys.

      So we did not talk about Israel, which is a forced occupation and which has to ofcourse end as soon as possible. We were talking about people who come here voluntarily..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 28, 2017 at 3:23 pm

      Bont Eastlake:

      Well, to get a jobb or to be able to get "inside" the society, you need to learn the local language. I have lived in several countries and it is obvious that without a common language, you have no real future in the society.

      Who has talked about eating certain foods or believing in certain Gods?? At least in Finland there is a freedom of religion and surely a freedom to eat what ever you want.. But I don't understand why anybody would like to live as an "outsider" in a society, since if you do not understand what the people around you speak, no matter how nice and talented you are, you'll be an outsider, always waiting for someone to translate to you.. (And if living in Finland, you'll get f.ex. free health care and free education for your children, so the minimum you can do is, to try to learn the language and get a job to pay atleast something back.)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 28, 2017 at 12:23 pm

      RoHa:

      "..but in the background there are hints of even darker forests than the Swedish forests, colder winters, and a creepier mythology .."

      It's interesting that you've noticed that.. It is true. If comparing to Swedish or Danish people Finns are much more serious and melancholic and I think our different history has left it's "trace" on us.

      And allthough it is not only about the wars, it is visible that now when the worst "pain" from the past losses have started to fade away, we have been able to "loosen up" a bit. But the nightmares of the 2nd WW's have had a strong affect on us, even my parents generation and mine..

      And that is why a fast solution to Israel to get away from WB and Gaza would be so important. You might be able to recover from a loss of part of the land, but it won't happen untill you'll be able to live free from the occupation. Still it will take about three generations and you might not find the permanent/best solution immediately, but the peace has to start somewhere, now, for the Palestinians to be able to start living and recovering from all they have had to go through..

      Borders can be changed/opened later, when the people have recovered even a bit.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 25, 2017 at 12:53 pm

      RoHa:

      "It seems to me that for a society to function smoothly there needs to be a fairly high degree of shared customs and values. That requires assimilation."

      I agree, that immigrants have to have the will to fit in the culture/society, meaning to be interested in how things work, learn the language and find their way to balance between their own traditions and how their new home country functions and if they have no interest in that at all, then I do not see any reason why they should be here.. I have not personally met anyone who would not want to, but I am aware of that f.ex among the Somalians there are people who try to avoid "assimilation" (there has come up cases, where they have sent their children to Somalia to not to "become too western" and this ofcourse is not acceptable), but luckily those who also talk about the problem now are people with Somalian background, which makes the discussion better.

      I'd have so much to say about this, but it is heavy for me to do it in written English, speaking is so much easier :)

      Anyway, I hope you know that Tove Jansson was Finnish - Yes, a Swedish speaking Finn, but Finnish, not Swedish!! This is very important for us :) She was Finnish!!

      And her books of Muumi (as Moomin is called in Finnish) belong to those first and best stories I have ever been read to (when I still was not able to read myself)..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 24, 2017 at 3:39 pm

      Thanks "Echi",

      I try to relax about it!! :)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 23, 2017 at 4:47 pm

      echinococcus:

      :) !

      The difference between make and do is difficult for me, since in Finnish there is only one word for them both:

      to do/make = tehdä

      So in my mind, I have difficulties in separating the difference between their meaning since for me they are the same thing.. (It is a good example in how our first language forms the way we understand/look at the world.. :) )

      I am sure I make lot of mistakes each time I write here, but the ones that irritate me most are the ones "I should have known better"..

      So that's why I should have a "proof reader" here, correcting all my mistakes before they appear on the comments section. :)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 22, 2017 at 8:40 pm

      Again:

      Your address, not you're..

      Why do I do these completely obvious mistakes.. ?? Some connection fails in my brains???

    • Kaisa of Finland May 22, 2017 at 5:47 pm

      RoHa:

      I don't know, if you are going to find this message here anymore, but I came to think that since you speak Swedish, maybe you could be interested in this:

      A Finnish Journalist (Swedish speaking) who has lived 15 years in Russia and is married to a Russian woman, has just written a book about his experiences in Russia and the changes seen in the society/enviroment in these past 15 years. I have not read it yet, but saw his interwiev and it sounded like a book worth reading. (If I knew you're address I could even send you one.. :) )

      The book is called: Vägen heter Ryssland, and the author: Anders Mård

      Just incase you have some spare time :)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 19, 2017 at 7:18 pm

      RoHa:

      It just bothers me, that so many times in my life I have faced the situation, where I am leaving somewhere and the people around me at that moment are telling me how "I should not go "there", because I am surely going to be robbed, raped and/or killed immediately when I reach the place.." And still, each time, I have just met wonderfull people who have opened their homes and lives to me, never trying to force me to be something what I am not and always being able to discuss about almost everything there is to be discussed "on the planet Earth".. And yes, you'll always have your robbers, cheaters and others who might try to take an advantage of you, but the majority of the people are always just normal nice people, no matter where you go..

      And the only conclusion I have come to is that inside we are all the same, same worries, wishes and dreams for our lives. And even the most miserable drug addict on the street corner may say to you, that he just wishes, some day, he'll be out of the streets, have a home and someone to love..

      So, in my opinion, if we want to live here in peace, it is better to search for our similarities rather than our differences..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 19, 2017 at 2:33 pm

      RoHa:

      If you have no idea what I mean with the bad regional politics, I try to explain what I mean: I mean that since 60's the refugees and other immigrants were often "put" to live in not so nice areas in the suburbs, with local people who had social problems (unemployment, alcohol/drug misuse, criminality and so on) and that has not helped the "newcomers" to want to "assimilate" with the local people, which is quite easy to understand, if one has visited these areas.

      These politics have not been good for anyone, not to the immigrants or the children of those whose parrents had social problems, since it has been shown these problems "will be inherited" form a generation to the next one, if not interfered in time. And atleast in Sweden, the problems are mostly consequense of these kind of politics, not necesserely certain groups of people or certain religions.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 19, 2017 at 1:44 pm

      RoHa:

      "There is also the problem of the tendency of many immigrants to cluster together in groups which seem to maintain the most oppressive aspects of their ancestral culture, rather than assimilate. They do not become part of the greater society, but set up a “parallel society”. When the law and customs of the land conflict with their customary practices, they ignore the law asn the customs of the land .."

      I agree 100% with you on this, these parallel societies are a big problem in some European countries right now and most of the radicals have been shown to come from these areas. But it is not only their own problem, it has also been a problem of bad regional politics in Europe, already starting from 60's and 70's.

      I'd love to speak more about it, since it is an important matter and has been under discussion also in Finland, Sweden and Denmark lately. It would just be so much easier face to face, my english is just not good enough.

      Anyway, I do not see this as cultural threat as much as I see it as a social problem. And when it comes to equal rights, we have to work against all kinds of religious fanatism, because in each religion there is the tendency to aim to both gender "segregation" and discrimination of the gay people, if "interpreted" too "literally".

      With respect I mean, that we'd allways be able to meet/face new people as people, not as our own assumption (?) of them.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 17, 2017 at 3:34 am

      My aime is not to tell anyone, what is the only real truth, but to encourage people to see and find out more point of views in to different matters. Even the case Israel/Palestine is so complicated, that I could write a book or two about it. There is never one truth about anything, but several viewpoits and then somewhere in the middle, lies the truth.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 17, 2017 at 3:02 am

      Keith:

      I did not know, you don't know how to search for information.

      Easiest way to start is to start googling Crimean Tatars. It is good to study what has happened them through out the history and what happened them the year 1944. After that find out what has happened to them since the latest occupation in Crimea. You can find several similarities in their fait with the Palestinians.

      As an example you can also find out what are the differences between Finnish and Danish Defence/Forgein/Economic policies and what did Finnish president do in Estonia last saturday. (If I told you, you would not listen anyway.)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 16, 2017 at 4:44 pm

      Keith, I did not say YOU are dangerous, but IT is, to think one knows everything.. You have shown many times here that your knowledge of EU is deficient, but you won't listen anything, because you have already decided you know better. With a person like that, discussion is impossible.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 16, 2017 at 2:53 pm

      (..allthough, there was no love in the air when the hidden truth of their depts came to light..)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 16, 2017 at 2:30 pm

      p.s. I forgot: The administration of Greece had lied about their dept rates already before they were accepted to Euro and they would never have been accepted to it, if they had told how things really were. So because of their bad and unreliable administration, we have had to pay a lot of money, which we would have had better use here in Finland. Still we love our fellow Greeks and want them to be able to sort out their things for better future.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 16, 2017 at 1:54 pm

      Keith:

      "Me and my government? You are holding me accountable for the US foreign policy which I routinely criticize? Dishonestly conflating me with Uncle Sam.."

      Yes, I just wanted to show you what you should concentrate on, since that is something you can try to work for, I can't.

      I have never done anything to force Greeks to stay as a part of EU, I also have never ever voted for a banker or anyone who would support such ideologies and I have told you several times that EU is much more than the financial system and there are a lot of good things about it, which I want to support and improve.

      The husband of one of my best friends is half Greek, and although his father works as a "poor fisherman" somewhere outside Athens, he doesn't share your anxiety about EU. I have not heard any other Greeks, living in Finland accusing all their problems on EU either.

      It is obvious, that if EU does not work for it's average citizens, it will break up. And because of the latest warnings, I am open for it's future.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 16, 2017 at 12:38 pm

      RoHa:

      For some reason you made me rememeber something somehow connected to our earlier discussion:

      I've lived for a while in Tanzania, in the countryside with a local family and all though we had a possibility for electricity and even a stove, we used to always cook with a small "coal cooker" on the kitchen floor. On my way to to the village, I had met some Finnish missionaries (Pentacostals) who had told me how "the Tanzanias are so uncivilized and so primitive that they do not even know how to cook with a stove". One evening when we were cooking again with Mama, I asked her why we did not use the stove. She said (frustration in her voice): "You know, getting the electricity here is so unreliable, that often it cuts in the middle of cooking, and then we'll all be left out of dinner. So cooking with coal, it is much more reliable.."

      So better ask than assume..

      Anyway, cultural exchange should always be voluntary..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 16, 2017 at 4:15 am

      ("brain malfunction"): Do not blame it on me..

      So, don't blame it on me....

    • Kaisa of Finland May 16, 2017 at 3:51 am

      Keith:

      You are obsessesed Keith..

      Since I can not do anything for the fact that you and your government pay annually minimum 3,2 billion dollars to support the occupation in Israel, the only thing I can do is to spread the knowledege of what is happening there. And that is what I am doing here at home too, allthough I know, as long as you don't stop paying, my possibilities to help are guite small..

      You think you know everything Keith, that is dangerous.. And if you are so angry and hate the world so much, don't take it on me.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 15, 2017 at 1:37 pm

      Keith:

      P.s. It is 2017, your president is going back coal mining and has his daughter and son-in-law as his political advisers.. I must say, I feel safer here..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 15, 2017 at 12:50 pm

      RoHa:

      ..And if being completely honest, without forgein influences, we would not have had salt either.. So just dried fish, berries and some green leaves on the side..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 15, 2017 at 12:35 pm

      Keith:

      The catastrophe in Greece started, when the corrupted goverment of Greece was not honest with their economical situation. It ended up with all EU countries paying for them (Finland about 4 billion Euros) and I can assure you the discussion around the case was not shiny, happy nor nice. But as I have said, since Brexit and other latest happenings, I am open for what way Eu will take.

      Brexit will take time, since it consists on different sensible matters, like Scottish people, who wanted to stay in EU and the border of Ireland and North Ireland, where the peace might still be vulnerable, and no-one wants things escalating there anymore. On top of that, Britain has to negotiate it's deals with EU coutries as has done Norway, Switzerland and other non-EU European countries. Would not be fair, if it did not have to.

      Anyway as I have said, my language skills are not enough for this discussion and I'd recommend you to concentrate on issues, you can have an effect on.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 14, 2017 at 9:53 pm

      The video did not show up, but it can be found in YouTube By name: 'Amar Pelos Dois' - Salvador Sobral

    • Kaisa of Finland May 14, 2017 at 8:28 pm

      p.p.s. To be honest: Without forgein influences we would not have had even barley or turnips.. So I guess we'd still be eating dry salted fish with some berries on the side.. And some leaves from the trees??

    • Kaisa of Finland May 14, 2017 at 7:59 pm

      p.s. I have to add, that all though I wrote the Swedes "forced" us to become Christians, I did not mean any violence was used or that I would accept using violence in "spreading cultural influences".. (Just to make myself very clear!!) But people have always moved around, cultures mixed and I do not see it as a threat.. Just need some respect for each other and we'll be ok..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 14, 2017 at 7:42 pm

      RoHa:

      You have an odd picture of EU.. It is not one country, but a net of independent countries, who have their own governments, policies, including forgein policy. We do not ask Brussel or anyone else what we should think about Russia or Estonia or even U.S.A.

      What has happened in Russia in the past years is too much to explain here and also this would not be the right forum for that.

      Anyway I wanted to say to you, that I did not understand at all your point of view about cultures and them "staying clean" (the French lifestyle f.ex.). Haven't you ever read any Cultural History?? About how people have always moved around, cultures mixed and this has abled the progress of the humankind??

      If we had never had any forgein influences in Finland, I quess we'd still live in our small cottages in the forrests by the lake sides, eating dry salted fish, porrige made out of barley with maybe some turnips on the side. And allthough forgeiners (mostly Swedes, if I remember correctly) "forced" us to become Christians, the advantage of that was, that they wanted Finns to start to read "God's Word", created (by collecting the spoken Finnish dialects) the written Finnish and then taught Finnish people how to read. Now centuries later, my main interest is not to read the "God's word", but I am so happy I am able to read and write and specially do it in Finnish!! (Just to give you an example.)

      And when thinking about the French culture, f.ex. in music, it owes a lot to Algerian and West African music, and vice versa.. And that's how it works and has allways worked.

      If you check that last video I added up there, it is a good exmple of different cultural influences mixed together: Traditional Gypsy "style of" a melody+rapping in Finnish+extra, starting 2.25* =rapping in Swedish (since we have a minority of Swedish speaking Finns in Finland and one of those rappers is a Swedish speaking Finn). And I personally find this kind of mixture of different cultural influences much more facinating, than having only somekind of "pure traditional Finnish culture", sitting on a rock, singing sad folksongs while playing kantele and watching sadly "how the birds fly to other countries far far away". (Yes, this is one common theme in our traditonal folksongs, sadly longing somewhere else, somewhere warmer..?!?)

      And still that song above there is Finnish, it could not have been done somewhere else. It has been the Finnish way to mix those things..

      (* Since you understand Swedish, here is the Swedish part in written:
      "Murar vi murar runt oss, bara lurar vi
      oss själva.. Måste kunna se mera humani
      Dom säger: Du är ju naiv, du är ju naiv
      Dom säger också: Skjuter du, skjuter skjuter vi...")

      Anyway, I love traditions, but I also love experiencing new things and here in the end I want to add this video of the winner of Eurovision Song Contest from yesterday. It is just so beautifull, so Portugese and still so global in it's theme: Love..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 12, 2017 at 4:59 pm

      Mooser:

      "And Russia is big enough to contain many of them.."

      Exactly!!

      As it was my experience in Israel too:

      First there was the "official" Israelian truth.. Then the Druze.. Bedouins.. And finally the Palestinians in the West Bank..

      So I never trust just one source, but try to listen to as many as possible. And I am always on people's side be the backround what ever, just they live in peace and let others live too.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 12, 2017 at 11:41 am

      RoHa and everyone involved:

      I just wanted to add, that there is no official truth about Russia in Finland and since we have quite close relations to Russians (f.ex. I' ve had Russian flatmates, whom we used to talk quite a lot about politics), it is easy to have many kind of information from there. As it seems, for those who support Putin, things are all right and they do not complain, but for those who oppose him and his politics, feel that they do not have freedom to express their opinions or to work openly for their causes. For some reason Estonians feel themselves threatened.

      I keep listening different people's opinions.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 12, 2017 at 3:41 am

      sibriak:

      Feel free to tell me. Like of your free media, opposition leaders, Crimean Tatars and everything. I am happy to hear your point of view. And what about Estonians, if there is no reason, why are they so scared??

    • Kaisa of Finland May 11, 2017 at 6:51 pm

      Here is some peace, love and understandig to you..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 11, 2017 at 5:24 pm

      Keith:

      "As for your fixation on Estonia, the only foreign troops in Estonia are NATO troops performing aggressive maneuvers along the Russian border.."

      You'd better talk with some Estonians about it.

      And if you hate EU so much, don't think about it. I think you have enough worries on your own continent.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 11, 2017 at 2:52 pm

      Keith:

      We have an open border so the knowledege is moving free here for just anyone to get.

      I do not support NATO, but I understand Estonians.

      You are free to move to Russia and experience the Russian reality on your own..

      Bon Voyage!!

    • Kaisa of Finland May 11, 2017 at 12:39 pm

      RoHa/Keith:

      It feels really weird, that you both are against EU, which is an Union of free-willing nations (non of them forced and as shown in the case of Britan, you are able to exit too )and then you support Russia's interests to force some of those nations under it's control against their will..

      So are you supporters of a democracy or a dictatorship..??

    • Kaisa of Finland May 11, 2017 at 11:37 am

      Mooser:

      "Sacre Bleu! Ze Muslims have put tumeric and cumin in the croissants.."

      :) Specially, when the "Frenchmen" went first to the Tunis, Morocco and West Africa and did not try to change the way of life there at all..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 11, 2017 at 11:29 am

      RoHa:

      I am sorry, that I can't really have a good discussion on this matter with you, because my language skills are not enough for it, but I'll try to give you some points:

      I don't know where you and Keith have got an idea that Putin would be a fair, peace loving man, thinking about his people and wanting for everyones best. There is no freedom of press or speech in Russia, opposition leaders are repeatedly jailed, some of them murdered and same goes for the "unwanted journalists". The rights of the minorities are trampled on.

      Putin and his supporters, f.ex. primeminister Medvedev have been shown to "bathe in money" and "the average people" are afraid to criticize them or the goverment publicly.

      Before Putin's time, Sweden had almost given up all of their army, cause they thought they'd never need such a thing any more. After Soviet Union collapsed, it looked like there would be a time of peace in this side of the world.. Then came Putin and showed his interest to make "Russia Great Again". His interest being on f.ex. control of the Baltic Sea and Baltic reagions belonging to his sphere of interest.

      I am sure that you would not care if Russia swallowed Estonia tomorrow, but there the worry is real and beacuse of that fear the Estonians keep pushing even Finland to give our promise to give them military help, if Russia again tries to occupy their land. And that is the reason why they called NATO troops there, because they do not feel safe.

      I am aginst NATO and all these kind of pompouse superpower politics just irritate me, since they are just complitely pointless (when we die, nothing of that will matter in anyway and it is such waste of time and energy), but I understand Estonians. Stalin was able to elimiante almost complitely all of the other minorities related to us and Putin has not shown any more respect towards minorities or their traditional regions. So when thinking about our (Finns, Estonians) common history and the fact that you here speak for the Palestinians and Putin allmost in the same sentence, makes me wonder what do you actually know and where your information comes from.

      It is interesting that at the same time you oppose the Zionists occupying Palestine, but support Putin doing the same here (fex. Krim being an example).. Estonians and Finns have existed here from about the Ice Age and have no genetic link to Russians, so I wish you could respect our choise not to belong to Russia, if we do not want that ourselves.

      Since Finland shares about 1340 km's border with Russia and people are moving across the border daily (working, studying, travelling for a Holiday or just shopping) our relations to Russians are more practical than what it seems to be for the Americans (we do not suspect them all being some kind of agents), but Putin has shown us, that we have to be all the time prepaired for the unknown too.

      What comes to these extremist nationalists in EU, I do not see how discriminating and eliminating the immigrants and "the strangers", could solve our problems.

      The future will be about the clean air, water and ground and a climate suitable for masses to live in. Money only exists in peoples minds, but without clean environment it will be useless. Things will change, may the bankers fight against as much as they will..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 10, 2017 at 11:22 am

      Eljay:

      "Thanks to “Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning”, I’ve heard Finnish…and I like it! :-) "

      :-)! I guess that's what you can call Globalization :-) !

    • Kaisa of Finland May 10, 2017 at 8:21 am

      and if you have never heard how Finnish sounds:

      Paleface featuring Hilja Grönfors (a Finnish Gipsy Singer)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 10, 2017 at 7:15 am

      Froggy:

      "Culture will change, but it will never die.."

      This is also one way to do it:

    • Kaisa of Finland May 10, 2017 at 5:54 am

      P.s. Keith:

      I did not want Finland to join Euro-zone, but wanted us to stay outside as did Sweden and Denmark. EU has been a good deal, euro not that much, but EU is not Euro and Euro is not EU, so I am open for the future. You are stuck with your neocons, but there are more serious matters going on in the world than the bankers money.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 10, 2017 at 3:11 am

      keith:

      I am moved by your concern of EU's future, but since the Brexit vote, things are open and under negotiations and we don't know yet which way EU is going to take. EU exists on so many other levels than the financial politics that I am only interested in seeing what way EU will take.

      Froggy:

      "Look, I’m a Breton nationalist wrt culture, language, music, and such. Our traditional cultures and languages won’t die, if our political alliances go beyond the boundaries of our little provinces and little countries.."

      I agree! I think EU has actually made all the minorities more visible and respected than before. So on that level I am not at all worried about our future.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 9, 2017 at 2:59 pm

      By the way, By right-wing movements I meant the extremist nationalists..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 9, 2017 at 2:51 pm

      RoHa:

      Putin would like a weaker EU and he would prefair no EU at all. He wants to deal with each country on their own since then he'd have stronger influence on things. (I think that is what Mr Trump also said, he would prefair, happy about Brexit and wishing other exits too - atleast when he started.)

      Here is a good example of Russian diplomacy: Finland is not part of NATO and I never want it to be, but each time our "NATO-fanatics" start talking about Finland applying a membership (they bring the discussion up every now and then), there will come "a heavy message" from Russia of, what will happen, if..

      Allthough I believe in negotiating and "peace keeping" and want to stay out of such huge military alliances, I still think these things should be our own matters without our neighbours interfering and staring to threaten us with their if's.. (I would not want it from Sweden either, so nothing personal for anyone..)

      Anyway, it is funny that heaviest EU-exit talks, seem to now come outside EU..

      And about Macron, allthough he won, the second was not Le Pen, but those who did not vote or voted empty, so, because France is a democracy, Macron needs a functionig parliament and he can not alone decide for the future of France or the EU politics of France. So if to choose between a racist or a banker who is not, I'd choose the banker. As said, alone, he can't do anything.. (He was an independent candidate without a party behind him.)
      (Froggy may correct me, if I have understood something wrong..)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 8, 2017 at 8:09 pm

      No, I must add:

      "So I hope all these right-wing movements.."

      No, I do not hope, I believe, because without the "average citizens" of EU, there won't be an EU anymore..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 8, 2017 at 7:58 pm

      Keith:

      "Scared you with Putin, did they? And he is the only sane one of the bunch.."

      I don't know about that, but at least Putin is the only one trained by KGB. A bit different education from Mr Trump's in real estate business..

      (I do not know what is your personal relation to Mr Putin, but as a leader of Russia, he has shown his interest to make Russia Great Again!!)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 8, 2017 at 7:48 pm

      keith/froggy:

      I don't know where Keith is located, but I don't understand his anxiety about EU..

      I definitely do not believe Europe would be a better place, if the borders were closed and people turned inside to their own National States. Now when Brits want out, we have a good possibility to look at things and change stuff that doesn't work.. So whining does not lead anywhere and I don't believe going back does neither. There are f.ex. lot of global refugee and enviromental challenges where EU countries are definitely stronger together than on their own..

      I wish to keep an open, but "multicultural/multilingual" EU in the future too and if you ask me, I'd rather wish EU would have it's own defense politics without NATO and U.S.A. since U.S. and NATO means certain politics in the Middle East and as we see in the case of I/P, Afganistan, Irak.. What has come out of that.. I am only happy we have been out..

      Anyway, it is hard to achieve anything, if you have already decided things won't work. Without an open mind, you have already lost the case..

      So I hope all these right-wing movements and Brexit negotiations will push the leaders to keep the "average citizens" in mind, when talking about the future of EU..

  • 100 senators throw their bodies down to end UN 'bias' against Israel
    • Kaisa of Finland May 7, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      BettyBerenson:

      "Israel is a diverse country, in which all its citizens have equal access to everything the society has to offer.."

      Hahah..You must be joking.. Or then you have lived(?) in another Israel, I did.. But the problem is not only between those who are citizens of the State itself, but those who's land the Israelis keep stealing on the other side of the wall.. Where ever they got the idea, they'd have any right to do so..

      As we say in Finnish: Those who are greedy, have a "shitty ending"..

  • After mob attacks alternative Memorial Day ceremonies, Israeli education minister criticizes ceremonies not mob
    • Kaisa of Finland May 18, 2017 at 6:50 pm

      yoni falic:

      Thanks, that was interesting.

      "There are not words for me to describe how much I hate Rabbinic Judaism as a religion even if I find it interesting as an historical phenomenon."

      I must say, that eventhough I would not call myself an atheist, I have lately been really tired of all the religions.. The fanatics in each religion seem to use their religion to dominate and oppress someone or atleast resist to give equal rights for everyone, just because they can find some lines somewhere, suitable for their cause.. I don't know, if the "Holy Books" are good for anyone anymore in this time.. Couldn't we just make one - really short one - for each religion together:

      Peace, love and respect.. And the rest depends on us.

  • 'I'd rather die than live as a servile slave,' Omar Barghouti told his daughter
    • Kaisa of Finland May 7, 2017 at 7:37 pm

      eljay:

      I guess that is what separates me from the Zionists.. I could not sleep in the night, if I knew I was doing so..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 7, 2017 at 6:31 pm

      catalan:

      "But I cannot leave to my little boy a world where he would be defenseless against you like my grandparents were.."

      But catalan, don't you understand what is the price of this "dream" or a "back-up-plan" of yours right now?? Hundreds of little girls and boys in those territories of Palestine are living in inhuman circumstances without no clear picture of even tomorrow.. As I have understood, you have two passports and freedom to move almost everywhere in the world?? The Palestinians are stucked under the occupation.

      I know Israelis, they love to travel: India, Thailand, little fun for the Holidays.. You may ask yourself, is it enough when you say, it is your "birthright" or "the life is not fair".. For your little boys freedom means others suffering.. How can't you see their faces when you are playing with your own kid, outside, with no soldiers shouting alarmingly and pointing at you with their guns..

  • New York rabbi links Jewish Voice for Peace to Osama bin Laden and Assad
    • Kaisa of Finland May 6, 2017 at 1:26 pm

      Mooser:

      Haha.. Why did I not hear of this in here?? First I thought it was a joke.. Or was it?? :)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 6, 2017 at 7:16 am

      RoHa:

      :)! My shame comes mostly from the fact, that I have had both Brittish and Irish friends visiting me and even though I took them to the forrest, I still did not know they call their moose an elk.. :)

      And for some reason, I always think the Austarlian english is closer to the American, maybe because of the way it is pronounced.. ? (We just had all the seasons of A Place to Call Home shown here in the tv, and I was totally addicted to it specially for the first two seasons :) What a wonderfull way to escape from the 2010's..)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 5, 2017 at 9:51 am

      RoHa:

      Again sorry, now for my lack of knowledge.. I checked (??) it and realized that elg is elg in norwegian too.. So it is elk in U.K. ?? I really apologise my lack of "education".. Should have known that, but did not.. (If you saw me, you'd see how ashamed I am.. ) So elk for brittish people from now on.. And you see, every day is a new day and you can always learn something new :) !!

    • Kaisa of Finland May 5, 2017 at 6:41 am

      RoHa:

      Sorry for not giving you all of the grammatical details, but it would be easier on a real piece of paper with a pen..

      I assume elk is norvegian?? Since in danish it is elg :)

      So as seen in: moose = älg = elg= elk= hirvi, the Finns are a bit "weirdos" when it comes to the languages up here in the north..

      But do not mix the word hirvi with hirviö, since if you told someone, you saw a hirviö in the forrest, they might think you are not complitely ok.... (hirviö=monster)

    • Kaisa of Finland May 4, 2017 at 9:53 am

      RoHa/Mooser:

      a moose = en älg = hirvi

      And yes:

      We try to avoid all the crashes between the moose and the humanbeings in the traffic..

      = Liikenteessä yritämme välttää kaikki törmäykset hirvien ja ihmisten välillä..

      [liikenne=traffic, -ssä=in, yrittää=to try, me=we, välttää=to avoid, all=kaikki, crashes=törmäykset, hirvi= a moose (plur. hirvet), ja=and, ihminen= a humanbeing (plur. ihmiset), välillä=between]

      But when met in the forrest "face to face", I have never had a problem with the moose. It usually goes like this:

      Me: "Oh hello Mr/Mrs Moose, I did not hear you coming.."

      Moose: "Umph.. And who are you??"

      Me: "Don't worry, it is just me. Just picking some berries here in your forrest.."

      Moose: (Looking at me for a while and then turning around to go away) "Oh..Okay.. Maybe see you another time"..

      Me: (Standing there, impressed of his/her presence, watching him/her to go) "Ok, bye bye, wish to see you again..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 3, 2017 at 5:09 pm

      Mooser:

      "Not like some people who think I should get hit by a bus.."

      No, that is exactly what we want to avoid by using those fences.. But we don't use them for people.. Only the wild animals who might jump to the road..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 3, 2017 at 4:54 pm

      catalan:

      "If I ever come to Helsinki.. "

      It's a deal then!!

    • Kaisa of Finland May 3, 2017 at 4:17 pm

      just:

      I have seen some documents of f.ex. the torture and horribilities from Assad's jails. That man is a civilized, well-behaving monster hurting and killing his own people "without blinking his eyes".. And he won't be the first doctor that kind..

      Ofcourse you can't compare Israel and Syria, 'cause they are complitely different matters. But it won't make Assad a good guy, that Israel has been such a catastrophe for all too long.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 3, 2017 at 3:58 pm

      catalan:

      Well, I would not compare East Europe with the whole Europe.. East European attitudes are in everyway more strict and conservative, and there is open discrimination towards women, gaypeople and whoever there.. But I don't understand how that would be an explanation for U.S. supporting blindly Israel and specially IDF. There are horrible things happening in Palestine with the money of U.S. people and it has nothing to do with Egypt, Iran or any other country in the world.

      I just baked a cake. You'd be all welcome to taste, if you were somewhere near.

    • Kaisa of Finland May 3, 2017 at 10:53 am

      By the way, I do not even understand why the UN Security Council even exists?? Each time they want to suggest something about Syria, Russia uses it's veto and nothing happens, each time they suggest something about Israel, U.S. uses it's veto and nothing happens. So the whole Council seems to have become just a useless stage for such eternal theatre which never leads to anywhere in action..

      So someone give me a reason, why do we have it??

    • WDR:

      "Every Senator voted to condemn the UN re Israel, including the left-liberals like Sanders and Warren"..

      As an outsider to the U.S. politics, I would be interested in hearing why it is so?? Why is the support for Israel so strong??

    • YoniFalic:

      "I used to believe such racist Jewish/Zionist nonsense.."

      And I was just foolish and blind..

      You know, I might even have visited some friends in a settlement without knowing it myself:

      There was this jewish village, built on a hill top and I used to wonder why it was highly fenced with armed guards by the entrance and here and there elsewhere too.. I also remember one time standing alone by the fence on one side of the village, looking down at a Palestinian village located under the hill. The view was so beautifull and the fresh mountain wind in my hair, I remember thinking "I wish I could live in a place like this.."

      WTF?? But honestly, I did not know.. We usually have fences to avoid the moose (or other wild animals) to get lost in the middle of traffic.

    • (..and I might call the police..)

    • "Still, my heart is a heart of Jewish flesh, a heart moved by the miracle of collective Jewish life. I cannot relate to those whose hearts are hearts of stone, Jewishly cold, lifeless and emptied of Jewish feelings."

      Well, I have to say, if I would hear someone preaching this way, replacing the word Jewish with the word Finnish.. My heart would get cold and I would run away.

  • Why I'm keeping my child home from school in Israel on Holocaust Day
    • Kaisa of Finland May 1, 2017 at 11:05 am

      So Mooser:

      Does this mean that the Zionists, when they are separating the Jews "from other people", asking for special treatment and accusing others to be against them, they actually themselves become racists towards themselves, beacuse of separating and seeing themselves as "one united group of people" different from " other people"??

    • Kaisa of Finland May 1, 2017 at 11:02 am
    • Kaisa of Finland May 1, 2017 at 10:37 am

      Mooser:

      And I did not really get DaBakrs comparison with Jews and "coloured people". I think "the coloured Finns" would take that as racism. I think they rather see themselves as Finnish individuals than a part of some "worldwide nation of coloured people" separate from "other Finns"..

    • Dear DaBakr:

      Breath.. Your aggressivity tells me, you have a problem.. And your problem surely is not me..

    • Dear Da Bakr:

      Maybe I hit the point.. ?? Maybe inside you feel a little pinch.. ?

      I have lived in Israel, so you do not need to mix any Nordic countries in to this matter. I have my own eyes, I have my own ears and I am able to think for myself.

    • Auts.. DaBakr..

      Honestly.. You do not see anything "shady" and unfair in what is happening in the area of Palestine..?? Like honestly?? Deep in your heart?? If you have one??

    • YoniFalic:

      Well, I must admit, I was 11 years old, the guide spoke German and we had someone interpreting.. So can't really use that knowledge as a fact :)

      But I guess the thought of it being possible, gives an idea of things not being that simple..

    • Thanks "echino":

      You discribed it as it looked like to me.. Not a religion, but something which could only be pure, when "inherited in blood".. (Didn't Hitler also have a Jewish grandmother?? I think I was told so, when we visted Dachau and Eagel's Nest when I was a child.. ?? )

    • echinococcus (27/4):

      Thanks for the clarification. It just still confuses me that there can be converts who go to the lessons and who'll be "tested" for their Judaism, but then again, those Russian girls I met in Israel, who had f.ex. one Jewish grandmother, no-one tested, if they knew anything about Judaism.. They just became citizens of Israel and liked to party in the nights of Tel Aviv..

      And then for some Jewish families, the converts were not enough Jewish to marry their children.. So if it only is a religion, why is converting not enough to become a Jew.. (just happened to witness a case..)

      Anyway.. For me, Israel just showed to be a place full of confusing and "inconsistent" matters, I'll probably never understand, so "that's all folks".. I'll stop trying..

    • eljay:

      "But Zionists won’t allow such a thing because, again, it would water down the Jewish brand. And there’s nothing special about being just like everyone else"

      Yes, ofcourse that is what I thought too and I agree with you.

      It was just so weird experience to me in Israel as I, so called "blond European Christian", was more wellcomed and better treated than the original population of the Palestinians or even the Ethiopian Jews.. And I'll still say on a personal level I met some really wonderfull people, but at the same time on a social level, it has been the strangest experience in my life: To be "wanted and protected" in a country, where at the same time, it's original inhabitants were discriminated and pushed down..

      And that is the the reason why I left and the reason why I have not been back since I found out the whole truth and that's also why I keep talking about it , for people not to forget..

    • I must add, that when I was talking about Americans there above, ofcourse I was not talking about each and every individual, but more about the picture often seen here, like the attacks in the Middle East, supporting IDF or some domestic issues in the American politics, like "the human right for everyone to own a gun"..

      (And to give a wider picture: Ofcourse we have our "NATO:ists" here too, but luckily so far they've been minority and we have been able to keep ourselves outside, 'cause I would deffinately not feel safer with having some NATO troops based By our Eastern border. In "keeping peace", I still believe more in negotiation and compromise instead of "blustering" and showing guns. )

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