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Kaisa of Finland

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  • The 'vertical apartheid' of the Israeli occupation
    • Eljay:

      "A “Jewish State” is a supremacist construct regardless of where it is established.."

      Yes, but I am kind of thinking about it from the perspective of all the kind of racist nationalists. It is always the same thing: If they really succeeded with their closed "purely what-ever" nation, they'd soon see it doesn't work.. Think about that 100% Jewish Island, would someone really want to live there??

    • Jack Green:

      "Are you opposed to womens’ shelters because they admit only women?
      Are you opposed to animal shelters that admit dogs & cats, but not guinea pigs or chimps.."

      I can answer to you, if Eljay doesn't want to:

      I oppose shelters which are not for everyone in need.

      I did not know there are shelters for women only?? Atleast here we have shelters for abused people, where both men and women are welcome. For some reasons majority of the "guests" are women, but men who get abused/beaten by their wifes also appear. (Here the shelters are called "Safe Homes").

      For animals, we have different shelters for wild animals and pets, because they require different kind of nursing and care and because the wild animals should stay wild, to be able to return to the nature after they have been treated, so there is a reason for separate shelters for them.

      But if you are trying to connect this to the case Israel/Palestine, the only way to establish a 100% Jewish "shelter area", is to find an empty island where there are no other people living already. You can not go to someone elses home, throw them out and then say:" This is now a shelter house, but not for you."

  • Video: Under protection from Israeli forces, settlers take over Palestinian home in Hebron's Old City
    • catalan:

      "..see people who just care.."

      Yes, I care about you too.

      You know, a friend of mine died about a year ago, after fighting against cancer for several years. She was not ready to leave and did not want to go, but the cancer ate her, no matter which treatments were used.

      I wish you use your life wisely, cause you are still here.

    • Echi:

      Talking about religions.. The Duct Tape is called in Finnish "Jeesus teippi" (A Jesus tape), saves you in every situation, you know. (Well the official name is "ilmastointiteippi", but no-one uses that..)

    • Echi:

      "No can do.."

      I know. These settlers - and the fact that they have been let to continue with this behavour for so long - just make me so furious. And after getting really furious, I usually get sarcastic. (It just can not be heard on my written texts..)

    • Hughes:

      "To be God is to have thoughts beyond human understanding.."

      I agree. But: To believe that God created everything and that everything is God's plan and at the same time claim that a small minority of people (The Right Believers) would be the only "God's chosen people" while the rest - a huge majority - of the human beings here on the Earth would just go to Hell (or where ever Bad Place) after they have played their roles as assistants in this big plan of God.. Just shows to me that there are no "thoughts beyond human understanding" there and that is just invention of certain humanbeings. If there really is a God, he/she/it deffinately finds him/her/itself beyond all this kind of pathetic fight over who are "the Chosen People", who has a right for what and who should be left with nothing. (Sounds more like children fighting at their sand box.)

      Mixing beliefs and regional politics, just is not my thing. And for me the Holy Books are metaphorical narratives and that is why I refuse to read them literally and take them as piece of evidence on anything.

    • What really bothers me is, that these settlers are like spoiled brats to whom their parents did not teach any manners or boundaries. They are spitting on people, throwing garbage and jumping on tables like animals.. And who let this happen?? Without the protection of IDF this would not be possible. So simple, but still, why can it not be stopped??

      And this is the exact thing that makes me so sick, it has made me difficult to keep any of my good memories from Israel. These settler actions make all the Israelis look like psychopaths who smilingly show around in their big, fancy homes with a beautiful view from the balcony, while at the same time they are holding abused and beaten people tide as prisoners down in their basements. And everyhting is ok as long as you do not accidentally lose your way to the cellar while trying to find the bathroom. And then, when you finally do, and the dirty secret is revealed, what is there left to remeber? The helpless prisoners whom you could not set free.. And the beautiful view from the balcony, makes it even more disgusting.

    • And if they try to justify their actions with their religion, please tell them that "somewhere" in their Holy Book it says:

      - Thou shall not covet your neighbors servants, animals or anything else (house, land, water resources.. )

      And what should be explained/made very clear to them is, that the Palestinians are humans and that way neighbors too. No room for opposing there.

    • "The settlers that now live above him throw trash down from their window down onto the garden path his takes home. Diapers, bottles and food waste littered the way. ."

      So they behave like uncivilized pigs. And this is a "nation" that calls itself a democracy.

      What word did Annie use before?? A democapartheid??

  • Zionism is apartheid, and worse
    • Echi:

      "Well, the difference is not so enormous. Not any longer, that is.."

      That thought kind of crossed my mind while writing my comment.. But still, when thinking about the history, no houses were annexed and people killed.. I guess that still makes some kind of difference. But I must say that before I found Mondoweiss, I did not have any idea how much power certain groups of people in U.S. have/use in Israel. As I see it now, Israel is just another state of U.S. Without U.S. it would not exist the way it does now.

    • Jack Green:

      "Why was it OK to go to the USA, but not OK to go to Palestine.."

      I wish there is someone who will explain to you what has been the difference there!! I am speechless..

    • Jack Green:

      Just to remind you, the Druze of Golan Heights are not the same as Druze living elsewhere in Israel.

    • Jack Green:

      I hope you wake up one day.

    • RoHa:

      " Israel is also sending its war planes to injure other Syrian.."

      Thanks for writing it here.. I was just thinking, if I should do so, it seems that Jacko is not very well informed of what is going on and where..

      Anyway, what a Holy Nation, first they bomb and injure and then they come to see who was left alive, so that they might offer some help??

    • Jack Green:

      "Israel should be praised for treating injured Syrians especially because Syria & Israel are at war.."

      Dear Jack,

      You are making it sound like Israel was a warm-harted friendly country, but..

      Israel is just a greedy selfish nation, which has all of it's time of existance only continued stealing as much land as possible from innocent people, who had nothing to do with Jews, Holocoust or anything you are trying to use as excuse here.

      When I lived in Israel, I fell in love with Golan and the Druze and I used to make trips there to have a cup of tea and chat with some Druze farmers I learned to know. It is just sick how these people, whose families had been farming these lands for centuries suddenly beacame part of this Israelian s*it!! Like stealig the lands of the Palestians just was not enough!

    • Oh my, Catalan..

      Please not this same stuff again..

      Greetings from Norway, the happiest country in 2017..

    • Jack Green:

      "I told you about Lebanon to show what apartheid is.
      Apartheid is separation. It has the word “apart” in it.
      Lebanon keeps Palestinians confined to refugee camps separated from the Lebanese.
      There are no refugee camps in Israel.."

      Do you read your own texts?? Don't you see how illogical they are??

      "Apartheid is separation.."

      Yes, and why have you built that huge wall between West Bank and Israel, if not because of wanting to separate the Palestinians from Israelis and control their every move in their open-air prison.. ??

      And your weird question about : "What obligations to Gaza does Israel have under international humanitarian law? Does Egypt have the same obligations.."

      Why would Egypt have same obligations as Israel? The Palestinians are not Egyptians and there was no separate Gaza before Israel. That is why your obligation should be to end that separation (another open-air prison..) and let those people live free!!

      And since you are using so much time to convince how well the Palestinians are doing in their own separate areas around Israel - which your armed IDF soldiers control in most humiliating ways - I think you should move to live and share your life with them, and why would you not??? The Palestinians are living such good, free and happy life there, as you've just been describing here in your comments!

  • If you can't say 'equal rights,' I can't work with you
  • 'Transferring' Palestinian citizens of Israel to a Palestinian state goes from outrage to Netanyahu policy
    • RoHa:

      "I can’t do it in Finnish.."

      What about in a language neither of us knows.. In Urdu perhaps??

    • Mooser:

      "Both “Long Train Running” and “What a Fool…” were huge hits.."

      When I was in High School in the beginning of the 90's, we used to have huge parties every weekend and I don't think there was even one party where the Long Train Running would not have been played atleast once (and often again and again).. We girls loved to dance and it is hard to find a better beat than in this.. :) (Still makes me wanna dance each time I hear it!!)

    • Mooser:

      Mixing Holy Books in with politics will always lead to a dead end.. Like, if God created everything and we are all God's creations, did God create the Palestinians only that the Zionists would have someone to oppress and humiliate?? Or why else did God create the Palestinans, if he/she/it anyway had promised the land to the Jews?? It is hard to believe a God would be so foolish..??

    • Mooser:

      I still prefer this one:

    • RoHa:

      "I didn’t know I had put words into your mouth. I do apologise. Please let me know which words they were, and I’ll remove them.."

      I'd love you to put some words into my mouth, but could I please choose the language??

    • Jack Green:

      If you really are going to use Bible as a history book, you should remember that we are all descendants of Adam and Eve and as that, all equall under the eyes of God, aren't we?? (Or are you claiming that there are separate Gods for all of the religions and your God is the right one and everyone else's is wrong?? - Sounds to me like something only humans can think..)

      And then again, if you say you are a Darwinist and do not think that human history starts with Adam and Eve and the snake and the fruit, then you are already agreeing on that the Bible is not a history book, but rather a collection of metaphorical stories written by humans.. And after that, if you still try to claim, that the Bible can be used as a history book, proving that God promised you and your relatives a piece of land somewhere around "Judea and Samaria", you have tied yourself in to a knot, where you really need someones help to get yourself released again..

      It is hard for me to find any sense in your writing??

    • Jack Green:

      We are living in the year 2017: It is really easy to get tested, if you are genetically related to those 12 sons of Jacob.

      And since you seem to appreciate the Old Bible so much, I'd like to remind you of some the Commandments given there:

      - Thou shall not kill

      - Thou shall not steal

      - Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbour

      - Thou shall not covet your neighbour's house, wife, servants, animals or anything else that belongs to them

      So how many points will the Zionists score in the eyes of God, for following those given Commandments??

  • Three settlers stabbed to death and three Palestinians shot dead in turmoil over security measures at al-Aqsa mosque compound (Updated)
    • Echi:

      I just meant that the interview in DN had somehow similar contents. And I can assure you I do not want anything else but peace, (Just now we have Russia's nuclear submarine sailing here in the Baltic Sea and I really hope no accident will happen, the Baltic Sea has already suffered so much because of people in these past decades..), but I would be interested in hearing what makes so many people here sure, that Putin has no "ulterior motives" with his dealings with Mr Trump. (Ofcourse I hope he doesn't have, but for somereason I find it hard to believe. And that's not because of some outside propaganda, but the way he has stregthtened his power in these past years, limited the freedom of their press and made laws to make some people's life more difficult in Russia. It gives me the same signal as Erdogan in Turkey, that you never know what he will do next.)

      Anyway, I always want to hear many viewpoints and that is why I asked.

    • Kaisa of Finland July 22, 2017 at 4:58 pm

      Echi:

      Just to add, I do not know anything about him. Just came across that article in DN.

    • Kaisa of Finland July 22, 2017 at 4:31 pm

      Echi:

      Just out of neutral interest, what do you think about this article? Bill Browder has just given somehow similar interview to Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter. I would just be interested in hearing your point of view..

      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bill-browder-donald-trump-jr-russian-lawyer-meeting/

  • 'Irreplaceable bedrock' of U.S. backing for Israel is threatened by -- intermarriage
    • Kaisa of Finland July 20, 2017 at 7:13 am

      Amigo:

      From my "Nordic" point of view, the war and chaos in Syria and Irak have been like a "lottery winst" to Netanyahu and his friends. Before the war in Syria, Palestinians and their situation, the "peace process", illegal settlements and the possible two-state-solution was guite a lot in open discussion in here and those Palestinian refugees who live here, had f.ex. tv-time in different debats to give their point of views about those things. Then started the war in Syria and those suffering children, bombed towns and later the masses of refugees just filled all that "tv-space" and public discussions and the issue with Israel just faded somewhere in the backround. And ofcourse Netanyahu with his mates just used that time f.ex. in expanding those illegal settlements without anyone (from outside) "having time" to interfere or protest.

      It looks like after Trump(and Jared Kushner) got elected to lead the U.S. forgein policies, there has been more action here to get the voice of the Palestinias heard again (so I am not the onlyone :) ). And I am sure that peace in Syria would meen more focus on the human right issues in the area of I/P in here. And I would dare to say that in all of the Nordic countries the majority of the people would choose to support the Palestinians (f.ex. with boycotts), if they just got enough information about what is going on in there right now. And that is why I see our own news correspondent in Jerusalem as a big step for the better.

      And all though the biggest financial support to Israel comes from U.S., the Israelis like to travel in Europe and they'd also want Europeans to like them.. So there is some power in that too.

    • Kaisa of Finland July 20, 2017 at 5:17 am

      (Since someone anyway voted for him to get there.. )

    • Kaisa of Finland July 20, 2017 at 5:11 am

      Amigo:

      Well, with the East European conservatives I meant these people!! I hope they are not too many in there :) !

    • Kaisa of Finland July 19, 2017 at 5:25 pm

      Amigo:

      I must add good news from Finland: Finnish YLE (our National Broadcasting Network) is sending our own correspondent in to Jerusalem in September. I am sure I have not been the only one sending them e-mails around the issue, that instead of having random journalists visiting sometimes or else relaying on other press agencys, we need to have better information and wider perspective on things going on in the area. So not big step for the world, but big step for us :) !!

    • Kaisa of Finland July 19, 2017 at 4:55 pm

      And about this Haarez article.. Netanyahu makes it sound like Israel is the center of the world.. Nothing has changed in Israel since I lived there..

    • Kaisa of Finland July 19, 2017 at 4:38 pm

      Amigo:

      I just read that exactly same news at Finnish YLE.. This is not the only issue where our thoughts differ a lot from these East European conservatives.. I hope they won't have too much power in these matters in the future..

  • 'We need to cut their heads off,' Bush said of anti-western demonstrators in Syria in '06 -- Tzipi Livni
    • Kaisa of Finland July 26, 2017 at 8:07 pm

      RoHa:

      12 points for you, if you understood them :) !! Allthough I usually have no problem in understanding Swedish in Sweden (not even in Skåne), I don't get half of that dialect, even when it is pronounced as clearly as here!! (det var det = he' va he', and so.. :) )

      About language mistakes: Speaking is so good, because your mistakes will just dissapear somewhere in the air immidiately after you've "let them out" of your mouth and they will never come looking back at you the same way the written mistakes do.. :) !!!

    • Kaisa of Finland July 24, 2017 at 9:24 am

      RoHa:

      Dialects sound, not sounds.. Now I am going to apologize for all the mistakes I have made so far and all the mistakes I will be making in the future.. For some reason I don't see them immidiately after typing, but first so much later that I can't correct them anymore.. Everytime I get really annoyed about it and I have to try not to get, since it is too late then anyway.. But please, just pretend there are no mistakes in my comments and everything looks just ok.. :)

    • Kaisa of Finland July 24, 2017 at 8:50 am

      RoHa:

      I must admit, I can't listen to someone speaking in Skånska, if it is not absolutely necessary.. In to my ear it sounds så horrible (I apologise all the Swedes who speake it, but can't help it!!)

      But here is a language challenge for you: In Finland the Swedish speaking Finns have their own dialects and specially at the East Coast the dialects sounds totally crazy. So here is a "sample" of Finlands Swedish dialect. Try it and enjoy!! :)

    • Kaisa of Finland July 24, 2017 at 8:40 am

      RoHa:

      Bodil has to have spoken "Sönder Jysk".. It is impossible (umulig) to understand!! (Sometimes in TV they had subtitles for "Köbenhavnere", so they could understand what their "Kusiner ude på landet" were speaking :)

    • RoHa:

      I have to add this:

      When I was 18 years old, I went to Denmark as exchange student to live a year with a Danish family and attend classes in a Danish High School. I originally wanted to go to Switzerland, but there was not places left there so I chose to go to Denmark instead. (I had been there on a Holiday few times and had liked it). I spoke English and some Swedish at that time and everyone just told me that: "Oh yeah, Don't worry, You'll manniage, Danish is almost like Swedish".. (??) When I got there I found out that the family (an old couple) who was to host me, did not speak any other language than Danish and the husband spoke so called "Jysk Dialekt", which is like the weirdest form of Danish. So for the first three months we did not have any common language. My host mum had told the Exchange Student Organization that she speaks some English, which basicly meant that what ever I tried to say or ask, she always said "Yes" to everything.. Smiled and nodded: "Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes.."

      Luckily most of my schoolmates spoke English, but ofcourse they could not translate everything all the time, so in the beginning I did not understand anything there either.

      So I had some heavy months there. But since I am not a person who leaves to go home, if things get difficult, I just continued listening Danish in the radio, at home and in the School and around Christmas (after about three months), I suddenly noticed that I could understand almost everything - except what my host father spoke.. It took me still some time to learn to speak and I can just imagine how my "broken" Danish with strong Finnish accent must have sounded like. Anyway, after a year I kind of felt like: "I did it, I survived" and on top of that I had got a new language and a new "homeland", cause I kind of got rooted so well there :) I never learned to understand my host dad very well, which is sad, since he was the nicest, warmest and mildest old man I have ever met and he really treated me like his own daughter even with out a common language.. So some happy, sad, confusing and then again happy memories from there :) And years later I could really use my Danish, when I went to study part of my Finnish University Degree to Denmark. So only happy about all of that now :)

    • RoHa:

      Thanks for your language memories!! You made me laugh so much!! I have also been in the middle of weird "language situations" in weird places so many times.. :) But those are also the situations you get some of the best memories from, and stories to tell to other people. And luckily I have never caused any really bad misunderstandings between anyone!

    • RoHa:

    • RoHa:

      "Kaisa, if you speak it, it isn’t Danish. Danish is belched, croaked, gargled, and groaned.."

      Hehheh.. And when I spoke Finnish in Denmark, my Danish friends told me that Finnish does not sound like speaking but fireing with a machine gun :)

      (I hope you did not get stomachache after reading that earlier comment of mine: I noticed afterwards, I had made so many mistakes while typing it.. Yaiks..)

    • Bont:

      That answer I wrote was for Hughes, because his comment made me think about the fact, that all of the European countries have different point of view, when talking about different minorities and religions. In that matter you can't really say: "In Europe this and that.."

      I have lived and studied in Denmark. I also speak Danish. I have had Danish classmates who are Muslims and all though I have a quite good picture of the Danish society, how it works and how they think about minorities, immigrants and different religions, I have not enough knowledge to say that they'd have different standards on Jews and Muslims when we talk about cartoons. But with the knowldege I have of Danish people and society, I'd say, they have had cartoons mocking Jewish people too. That does not mean, that there would not have been loud objections to them, but as I've said the Danish people have a long and strong tradition in the freedom of speak and expression, so I assume they'd still have been published.

      As in here, in Denmark too, majority of the people have nothing against moderate Muslims, but in Denmark they have had big problems with fanatic Wahabbist Imams who preach against Danish laws and engourage people to illegal actions. So if you wish to analyse that Danish cartoon case, you need to first find out the backround of it and the context to where and when it was made.

      I have not mentioned Charlie Hebdo even once, since I do not speack French and I am not so familiar with the French society since I have never lived there. And I don't know where you live, but incase you did not know, all the European countries have their own history and that is why they also have very different position to f.ex. minorities and different religions in their society. The fact that I dare to talk about the Nordic countries and specially Sweden, Denmark and Finland is, that I speak all of these languages, I have lived/had close realtions to all of them for decades and I also constantly follow local medias and what is happening in the political/social atmosphere around here. (Norway and Island are culturally so close to us, that I can often say that I asume, they think/act quite similar, but can't be sure, since I don't follow their local medias.)

      So, if you really wish to study "the case Danish Cartoons" vs. Jewish cartoons, you should go there and interview people who have really made researche on the subject. It was so big case then, that I am sure there is plenty of material too use.

    • Kaisa of Finland July 20, 2017 at 8:33 pm

      I must add, that I've done Media Studies at the University and if I was writing my thesis there at the moment, this would have been a really good subject to study deeper. Who knows, maybe I'll do it someday in the future.. :)

    • Kaisa of Finland July 20, 2017 at 8:11 pm

      Hughes:

      Yes, I am sure f.ex. in Germany anti-Jewish cartoons might be difficult to get published. But in Finland, I'd say there is no "special treatment" for the Jews compared to the Muslims. We have had our small Jewish and Muslim minorities from the 1900th century and they have been treated the same way from the beginning. And now in this time of "the big wave of the refugees", it is not about the religon, but rather cultural differencies that might cause some big discussions and conflicts between people. And if I think about our rasist nationalists, a black Christian guy from Angola won't get any better treatment than a Muslim from Irak.. I'd say it is almost opposite.. And a white Muslim from Tshetshenia, might even be wellcomed by them. (For some reason most of our nationalists admire Putin and Russia.. Rather white people from the East than coloured people from the South.) And these things will be seen in the cartoons too. So I think in here cartoons about Judaism are not "banned" any more than cartoons about Islam or Christianity. But it is clear f.ex. in Germany, because of their history, it might be too difficult issue to handle. (I have no idea what kind of cartoons they publish about Muslims or Christians either, so I am only assuming, no real knowledge on the issue..)

      Anyway, complicated matters.. But at least after this discussion, I am going to pay more attention to it here. I kind of got interested in the subject now :)

    • Bont:

      "They never mock Jews or Judaism so they are discriminatory and racist.."

      Congratulations for you for going through all of those millions of cartoons there have been published in Europe during the years. Could you give me somekind of a proof over your clames or are you just mixing between your own opinion and tha actual real life??

    • Kaisa of Finland July 20, 2017 at 9:17 am

      P.S. Bont:

      "But, the people or establishment that publishes offensive cartoons on the Prophet and Jesus, refuses to do likewise with Jewish figures.."

      Where do you get this information and which are these Jewish figures you are talking about?? Maybe in U.S. it works like that, but don't talk about all of the world.. Maybe you are a Jester yourself, enjoying mixing stuff on purpose??

    • Kaisa of Finland July 20, 2017 at 8:55 am

      RoHa:

      Now I made it again:

      If you burned a Koran.. Not If you would.. I have been so proud to mostly remember it, but can't be perfect can I.. ??

    • Kaisa of Finland July 20, 2017 at 8:51 am

      RoHa:

      "..yet serve no useful purpose that I can foresee.."

      Don't say.. You'll never know what will be the next question asked when you play Trivial Pursuit :) ! (You might win with it..)

    • Kaisa of Finland July 20, 2017 at 8:39 am

      Bont:

      I have seen some horrible cartoons picturing the theme "Pope, the Catholic Church and child abuse" and I am sure those cartoons have made many Christians very uppset.. But cartoons are not there to please anyone, but rather to raise discussion on sometimes really sensitive and difficult matters too. If you would burn - or encourage someone to burn - a Koran here, you'd go to court for that. But cartoonists are todays "jesters" and they are there to "mock" everything there is current right now*. So I'd recommend you to get to know the history and the meaning of the cartoons before making judgments on the subject. (I am still not saying that provokating people on purpose would be necessary, but if I find some cartoons offensive, I just look the other way!)

      *And all of them ofcourse have their own personal style to do it.

    • Bont:

      Why do you write about something, you have no idea about.. Well those cartoons were published in Denmark, but if we now take Finland as an example:

      In Finland there are 46 different newspapers that appear 5, 6 or 7 times a week and most of them publish a cartoon each day they appear. On top of that, there are atleast same amount of newspapers that appear 4,3,2 or 1 time a week and the magazines are not counted there.
      So if we now take only those 46 first mentioned newspapers and count the cartoons they publish in a year, you get more than 16 000 cartoons per year. And since we have left many newspapers and all the magazines out, this is just a rough estimate and there are propably lot of cartoons left out of that 16 000. Above that, cartoons have been published in Finland for decades, so it means we could be close to a million published cartoons through out the history so it would be impossible for me to know all of them.

      I am sure there have been some cartoons of Jews too (and since Chrstianity "kind of" comes from Judaism, I am not sure if making cartoons about Adam, Eve, the snake and the fruit or Moses or Abraham, is a Christian or a Jewish cartoon.. ??) If you are interested in this issue so much, I'd recommend you to contact an historian who has concentrated on the subject. I am sure there is some, but I am not one of them.

      If then comparing this with the Danish situation of cartoons, I'd dare to say they publish somehow similar amount of cartoons annually, so there is even more material for you to search. So in that context one cartoon has less meaning in here than it might have somewhere else.

      (P.s. I checked: Cartoons have been published in Finland since 1880's)

    • Kaisa of Finland July 19, 2017 at 1:10 am

      Bont:

      Well, those Muhammed cartoons were not only cartoons published in these newspapers/magazines.. Can't give you any example of Jews, but atleast the Christian churches (Catholic, Lutheran, Pope, what ever..) and Jesus has got a lot more and much worse than those cartoons of Muhammed during the years. Anyway, I just added that link for people to read what this issue was about and give this point of view. I did not give my personal meaning about it.

    • This was the first big case of Mohammad cartoons in Europe, in Denmark 2005. And it became a big dicussion of freedom of the speech all over the Nordic countries (and elsewhere in Europe too.) The attempt to limit the freedom of expression of the cartoonists, just provoked them even more, since specially in Denmark the freedom of speech and expression has been really strong for decades. So for them the issue was about freedom of speech, for the Muslims it became something else.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

    • Kaisa of Finland July 17, 2017 at 8:53 pm

      DaBakr:

      "while the world’s growing powers are continuing to become closer to Israel culturally, politically and industrially.."

      Hmm.. Like China?? Can't really see that "cultural, political, industrial" connection here immidiately.. Or do you mean those human right violations and the "ban" of admitting them??

  • Anti-Semitism accusations against 'Dyke March' prove pro-Israel lobby will torch LGBT rights for marginalized people
    • Kaisa of Finland July 10, 2017 at 1:04 pm

      hanging out.. what??! ..hanging around (I think, it should have been..)

    • Echi, or Eki, as I could call you in Finnish:

      "apart from a comma or two.."

      I have to admit, that my bad English grammar is not the Finnish school system to blame. I used to use my time in High School rather hanging out with my friends than studying, so my English comes mostly from the music and the movies I've listened to/watched.. And it has really been enough, when speaking with other non-natives, but when writing in here.. Those missed English lessions really show.. So it is not about the bad teachers, just about the lazy students.. :)

    • Kaisa of Finland July 10, 2017 at 6:36 am

      Echino:

      Yes, I know. I got so well practised in Israel, so what ever they'll try, they can't silence me (unless they'll shoot me).

      I am aware of the fact, I'd never be able to win that huge Zio-machinery, but I can promise to you, that as long as I live (or things won't change), I'll be (as we say in Finnish) "A THORN IN THEIR FLESH", reminding them and not leting them forget what they really are doing. (As we also say in Finnish: "A small bother, is a bother too".. ) :)

    • Kaisa of Finland July 9, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    • Kaisa of Finland July 9, 2017 at 4:30 pm

      Elliot:

      I am not sure, if I got an explanation to what you meant when you wrote that: "Your flags are the principal reason Christian crosses should be outlawed.."

      Anyway, using anti-semitism as an argument when talking about the human rights of the Palestinians, is both cheap and coward way to avoid the main point of the whole issue, which is the fact that the Palestinians are entitled to have a normal life without an occupation and without those daily experiences of oppression and humiliation they now have to live with.

      Atleast here in the North, it would be the same human right activists, who now are defending the rights of the Palestinians, who would also defend the rights of the Jews, if such oppression started to arise here. So "working" against "us", would be the same as "stubbing" your own legg..

      Life is too short to fight over piece of a land, and by the death, no-one will be able to take even a smallest piece of that land with them. So it is only about, how you choose to use your life.

    • Kaisa of Finland July 8, 2017 at 3:49 pm

      Elliot:

      "“Are you kidding me?! The Nordic countries make folks feel more unsafe than anywhere else. Your flags are the principal reason Christian crosses should be outlawed..”

      An interesting point of view.. Could you open it up for me a little bit??"

      You did not answer to me.. ?!?

    • Kaisa of Finland July 8, 2017 at 6:10 am

      "Neo-nazi skinheads use a form of the cross.."

      This sentence left me wondering.. What cross are we now talking about here?? If you are talking about the swastika, you should know it has nothing to do with the Cristianity.. The swastika, is an ancient religious symbol traditionally used in the Indian subcontinent, East Asia and Southeast Asia and it was used in many other contexts (like the Finnish Air Force 1918-45) before the Nazis took it and "spoiled" it's meaning.

      In Finland all the children who are baptized, become automatically members of the church, mostly Lutheran. And so did I. Since I am not religious, for many years I was thinking about "separating" from the Church, because being a member means, you automatically pay taxes to the Church, to support it's work and I was not sure, if it represented my values.

      The past years the Lutheran church has shown it's humanity and ability to open up for difficult issues, like Gay marriages and their adoption rights, speak up for those, who for somereason "have fallen" from their normal lives and/or the society and when we had that huge amount of refugees suddenly crossing the boarder 2015, the Lutheran Church opened up it's doors to accomodate just anyone without a shelter, not asking what their religion was. Finnish Lutheran church also has projects in Gaza and West Bank, to support the normalization of the lives of the Palestinians.. So for me the Finnish Lutheran Church has started to mean many kind of work for the humanity and all though the Bible itself, does not mean that much to me, at the moment, the Lutheran Church mostly shares the same values I have and I've decided to "stay".

      So I would be interested in hearing more about this anxiety about the cross.. For me, at the moment, it symbolizes the humanity.

    • Kaisa of Finland July 7, 2017 at 10:26 pm

      About the "Neo-Nazis" in Nordic Countries:

      They call themselves a "Nordic resistance movement" and their symbol is a black arrow (?) on a green backgroud (see the link). They are a couple of hundred people around the Nordic Countries and they oppose all the immigration and admire Putin and Russia. They also oppose democracy. At the moment they are so few, that I don't think anyone is really worried. The police know who they are and they are under constant observation.

      https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9711208

    • Kaisa of Finland July 7, 2017 at 6:01 pm

      Elliot:

      "Are you kidding me?! The Nordic countries make folks feel more unsafe than anywhere else. Your flags are the principal reason Christian crosses should be outlawed.."

      An interesting point of view.. Could you open it up for me a little bit??

    • Kaisa of Finland July 7, 2017 at 5:17 pm

      Elliot:

      "Anybody wearing a cross should be thrown out of any civilized group.."

      Does this mean only on a personal level?? All the Nordic Countries have a Christian Cross in their flags.. All though I am not a religious person, I must say that our (Nordic) civilization owes a lot to the Christianity in the past..

    • Kaisa of Finland July 7, 2017 at 10:35 am

      Echi:

      Thanks, I'll keep that in mind..

      By the way, if you understand some Finnish, here is a link to an article about Jad Hashmona.

      These kind of things irritate me here, because they are a way to maintain a "glossy picture" of Israel and to disrupt other kind of "message" getting through..

      http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000005229748.html

    • Kaisa of Finland July 7, 2017 at 3:28 am

      Echi:

      "By the way, expressing your closing thought.."

      Thanks!! So what would be the right way to say it?? (Just to be able to use the right form next time??!)

    • Kaisa of Finland July 6, 2017 at 8:08 pm

      Dropped the last line there, but it was supposed to be: "There is no logic to me".

    • Kaisa of Finland July 6, 2017 at 7:36 pm

      Echi:

      "Ever heard of something called “logic”?"

      I don't know, if you meant the same as me, but I was just writing at the same time with you.. And when I wrote "The system really does not make sense", I meant, that it seems like almost everybody else is wellcome to move to Israel, except those Palestinians who had to leave as refugees and are now living in "Diaspora" around the world.. So one man's nation means another's diaspora??

    • Kaisa of Finland July 6, 2017 at 5:50 pm

      I just found out a short time ago that in 1971 a group of religious (Christians) Finns got a piece of land from Golda Meir to build their own small village in Israel. The village still excists, it is called Jad Hashmona and many of it's inhabitants have Finnish background or are Finnish.. There are also Messianic (?) Jews living there. The more I learn about Israel, the more it confuses me. The system really does not make any sense.

    • Kaisa of Finland July 6, 2017 at 5:27 pm

      Talknic:

      "Not all Zionists are Jews..."

      This is true. In Finland the loudest Zionist voices come from the Pentecostals. They have their own private tv-channel, which is full of pro-Israel propaganda. And to give you the weirdest detail: They claim that Finland and Israel have a "God given" special relationship and the strongest sign of it is the "similarity" of our flags = Finnish flag has a blue cross on a white background and the flag of Israel has a blue star of David on a white background.. See, a clear sign.. !!

      These kind of arguments make me speechless.. But luckily they are a small minority.

  • US Jews must oppose Palestinian boycott, but boycott Israel and bring it to its knees over prayer at western wall
    • Kaisa of Finland July 12, 2017 at 7:59 am

      Nathan:

      "Their enemies are also real soldiers.."

      Hahhahahahhahah.. What a joke.. Most of the IDF is just a bunch of "teenagers" with guns, bullying and harassing unarmed Palestinian women, children and men.. (I can hear all those noble national anthems playing in my ears when you are talking about them, but..)

      While I lived in Israel, I thought they just had a normal army.. When I visited West Bank, I saw it was about a bunch of cowards, hiding behind their machine guns, while at the same time bullying unarmed people.

      (And lets hear the national anthem again..)

  • Amazon pulls blank 'History of Palestinian People' -- which aims to dehumanize in order to subjugate
    • Kaisa of Finland July 2, 2017 at 11:33 am

      Emet:

      I just got stuck with this sentence of yours:

      "Just who do the Palestinians think they are.."

      Well, I have to say that those Palestinians I met, did not think anything special about themselves.. Mostly they thought themselves as humanbeings who deserve a normal life with out an occupation. I did not meet anyone who would have wanted to "own the Temple Mountain". I just met people who wanted to raise their kids in normal surroundings.

      (Normal meaning a home, clean clothes, food, water, school, friends without soldiers, guns and fear of the house demolitions as part of their everyday life..)

    • Kaisa of Finland July 2, 2017 at 11:02 am

      p.s. Emet:

      When writing the following:

      "That’s why we say that the Palestinian Arab people are a modern invention, and so should you. The modern day Palestinians want to own the Temple Mount, the holiest site for Jews. Just who do the Palestinians think they are. This is never going to happen, it should not happen, and people like you should tell them this. Believe me, this is the core issue of the conflict.."

      Did you address this to me personally? I have lived in Israel, I have also been to the West Bank, I have lived with Israelis (Jewish) and met many Palestinians too, so why should I do what you say or believe you more than my own experience?? I am sorry to say Emet, but all what you write here sounds B*ll S*it to me.

    • Kaisa of Finland July 2, 2017 at 10:39 am

      Emet:

      "Kaisa of Finland, with modern archives and the internet, in 2000 years from now they will be able to go back to each day we are now living in.."

      Oh please, Emet, don't tell me you really believe so.. We do not have any idea what kind of information will be saved from us to the future.. There might come an Ice Age or what ever before that. Maybe in 4017 someone will find a piece of your laptop in her garden, but I doubt that she'd know what it is..

    • Kaisa of Finland July 2, 2017 at 2:30 am

      Just to correct a fact - Earlier I wrote: "Jews who came to Finland in the 18th century.." So they came to Finland in 19th century, starting around 1850's. In Finnish it would be in "1800-luku" so that is what confused me. I am sorry for that, won't make that mistake again.

    • Kaisa of Finland July 2, 2017 at 2:12 am

      Bumblebye:

      Thanks, now I'll remember it..

    • If RoHa is here, I have a question:

      Earlier I wrote in a sentence: "Russian Jews who came to Finland in the 18th century.."

      And this bothers me, In Finnish "1800-luku" means the same as in Swedish "1800-talet", so the years from 1800 to 1899, but is this in English the 18th or 19th century?? How is it counted?? So if the Russian Jews came to Finland starting about 1850's, what should it be?? This always confuses me, so help me please!!

    • Kaisa of Finland July 1, 2017 at 2:12 pm

      Emet:

      You sound like you think you are a very important person. I just want to ask, after 2000 years from now, who do you think remembers who you were??

    • Kaisa of Finland July 1, 2017 at 12:20 pm

      Talkback:

      "Kaisa Of Finland: “Again these Jewish definitions make me so confused.” - It’s not a Jewish definition at all, it is a Zionist scam.."

      Sorry, I just get so confused with all these definitions. So I did not mean to sound insulting..

    • Emet:

      "Language defines a people"

      Again these Jewish definitions make me so confused:

      In Finland there is a minority of Jews living in here. Most of them are descendants of Russian Jews who came to Finland in the 18th century from Russia (and spoke Russian at that time). Now-a-days most of them speak Finnish or Swedish as their "mother tongue" and are considered as Finnish people since Judaism here is understood as one religion among the others. So the Finnish Jews are not considered here as some "separate people" who's true homeland is somewhere around the "Judea and Samaria"..

      When the Zionists went to Palestine in the beginning of the 1900, most of it's original Jewish, Christian and Muslim inhabitants spoke Arabic and they still do. No-one in the world spoke Hebrew as their native language at that time. And in the Middle East there has also been Christian, Jewish and Muslim people who's "native" language is Farsi or Kurdi*. So how do all these languages define the Jewish people??

      *Well, I have no-idea what the languge of the Kurds is called in English, in Finnish it is Kurdi.

  • Israeli musicians to Thom Yorke: Canceling Radiohead show will disrupt Israel's 'business as usual' facade
    • Kaisa of Finland July 5, 2017 at 4:38 pm

      Mooser:

      "He thought he’d found the girl of his dreams.."

      Maybe this is from the time, when everything was still good..

    • Kaisa of Finland July 4, 2017 at 8:19 pm

      Mooser:

      "Whoa, she didn’t just hand him the mitten, she pistol-whipped him with it.."

      Or that's how he felt it.. The song is called "You leave a mark/sign/trace" (jälki can mean all of those and he kind of uses all of the meanings there in the lyrics)..

      I just came to think about RoHas comment, when listening to these songs.. Maybe a bit dramatic?? But so honest :) ..

    • Kaisa of Finland July 3, 2017 at 4:17 pm

      So you might sense some "darkness" here, but I can assure you, that when these guys sing about peace, love and tolerance, they really mean it!!

    • And here is another guy singing about how it feels when his girl friend left him..

    • RoHa:

      I don't know, if you'll find this comment here, but suddenly I came to think about your comment about the books of Tove Jansson and the "deeper and darker waters"..

      Here is too songs, in first one a Finnish Guy sings about family life and going to Ikea..

    • Mooser:

      "And fairness"..

      In Finnish "to be fair" can be translated to mean "being honest", "speaking honestly what you are meaning/thinking", it can also mean "being just". Fairness does not translate the same way, in Finnish it has the same meaning as justice. So for me there is a change of a meaning there.

    • Mooser:

      "Naturally. And the fairer, the better."

      Yes, Mooser! Indeed:

      I have never been in a situation where I would have been singing their songs for years, before realizing what they stand for. I'd expect some honesty from these Zionistas too.

      For many years I sang along with Matisyahu about

      "One day this all will change
      Treat people the same
      Stop with the violence
      Down with the hate
      One day we´ll all be free
      And proud to be
      Under the same sun
      Singing songs of freedom like

      Gotta hold on
      Livin life day by day
      Gotta hold on
      Put your focus on that one day

      All my life I´ve been waiting for
      I´ve been praying for
      For the people to say
      That we don´t wanna fight no more
      They´ll be no more wars
      And our children will play
      One day (one day), One day (one day)
      One day (one day), One day (one day)
      One day (one day), One day (one day.."

      And then I found out his One Day did not include the Palestinians.

      So yes, I respect honesty.

    • I used to love and listen to Idan Raichel Project untill I heard he was just part of this "white washing" of the governement of Israel. So I wiped him and his music out of my life complitely.

      An interesting side of these supporters of Zionism is, that they so often sing about peace, love and understanding while at the same time they are supporting such oppression and torture. This is where I "prefair" our own "racist groups": They do not even pretend they are spreading love anywhere, but admit totally open and honest that they hate almost everyone, so one does not need to try to guess what they stand for.

  • Sober anniversaries for Gaza fuel movement building
    • Kaisa of Finland June 25, 2017 at 9:21 pm

      LHunter:

      "As a Palestinian I can tell you that the arabs for the most part are united, particularly around the plight of the Palestinian people. There are Jordanians and Lebanese that are not fond of the Palestinians because they feel they are a burden on their societies as refugees.."

      I would be interested in hearing more about this. I knew in the Lebanon Palestinians are not given full rights to take part f.ex. in the "working life" and so, but about Jordan, I did not know. But now since f.ex. Saudi-Arabia has close relations to U.S., what do you think is their opinion on the matter and what about Egypt, which also seems to be in close relations to Saudi Arabia?? Since Saudis are important to U.S. it would be usefull for the Palestinians to have their support (all though otherwise that country is not really a place where the human rights would be any more appriciated than they are in Israel)..

      Anyway, if you have some kind of idea of which arabic countries would support the rights of the Palestinians, I would be interested in hearing.. It would be usefull to get a wider picture of this issue, since I have recently learned to know how huge is the influence of the Zionists in the U.S.

  • The Israelis
    • jon s:

      "And for the most part Israelis don’t live in fear.."

      If that is true, what do you need the IDF for?? If you are not afraid of the Palestinians, you can just break the wall and let the Palestinians live free. If you are not afraid of them, why do you need weapons to control them??

  • How 1967 changed American Jews
    • Kaisa of Finland June 10, 2017 at 6:46 pm

      catalan:

      I don't understand your viewpoints when talking about BDS..

      For me BDS is the same thing as f.ex. choosing organic foods and refusing to buy animal products, if the animals are not treated well.. 20 years ago we were not that many and the products were few and only available in some special stores, but in the past ten years amount of "us" has rised a lot and people are much more aware of the problems in f.ex. animal farming or using strong chemicals on the fields. And beacause both the farmers and the food industry are dependent of their customers, choosing different has already made a big change, when thinking about how cows, pigs and chicken are treated and eggs produced or even how "non-organic" farming has become less chemicalized and better for the nature. And there are new, better and animal/environment friendly laws coming all the time..

      So for me, BDS is very easy way to take a stand: Everyone can do it, no need to do big sacrifices, it is just about choosing different everytime and telling others why.. F.ex. when buying in a grocery stor, choosing which artists I am listening to and telling people why they should not spend their holidays in Israel. In this "Western" world we have so many choices, that most of those who produce or sell things or who's income relays on their fans or buyers just can not afford not to listen to those people who consume their products..

      I know my Israelis and many of them surely love "to do business" and to try to make money and if they did not think BDS had any affect on their country, why are they making such a fuss about those supporting and talking for BDS??

      I personally do not believe BDS alone is enough, but I would not underestimate it's value as a one tool in working for the better future of the Palestinians.

  • Making the crossover from Elie Wiesel to Marc Ellis
    • Kaisa of Finland June 13, 2017 at 6:18 pm

      jon s:

      "I’m not an invader, I live in my people’s historic homeland.."

      Oh, I see, I was born to a Christian family, so I guess I have a right to move to Betlehem, because Jesus was born there and he, he surely was my people.

      Or are you claimig that God created the Jewish people from nothing and "all of you" are descendants of "those people" and genetically different from "us all" who are not?? And there for there are different rules for you??

  • If Trump is serious we may be seeing the most significant step in 20 years of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations
    • Kaisa of Finland May 30, 2017 at 4:32 pm

      P.s.

      Echi:

      And you can just guess how "hard" it has been for me to be a Finn who doesn't like alcohol.. ""What?? Don't all Finns drink like maniacs..??"

    • Kaisa of Finland May 30, 2017 at 4:22 pm

      Echi:

      "And of course your granpa’s cousins would have come to the lake region, järvialueelle… what were we just saying about American stereotypes.."

      No, I know, those stereotypes exist everywhere :)

      In Scandinavia we have our sterotypes of how Finns, Swedes, Norwegians, Islandics and Danish people are, and inside Finland, since we are a big country with not so many people, we have our stereotypes for people coming from different parts of Finland.

      And about my relatives ending up in the lake region, it is obvioius of course.. Like when I met a Canadian guy who had had a Finnish grandfather and after living a while in Finland he said: "I used to always think my grandpa was a bit weird, cause he liked to eat dry bread and sit hours in a really hot bath, but now I see, he was just Finnish.."

      So I don't think stereotypes should be taken so seriously, there are some truth behind them anyway and then in the end we are all individuals who are a mixture of our backgrounds, our own experiences and thoughts and as long as we remember that, better to smile at them, than to fight against..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 29, 2017 at 10:36 pm

      Mooser:

      "When your distant relatives came to the US in 1903 did they bring any plants with them.."

      I wish I knew.. But if they did, they propably brought some dandelions, 'cause those we have enough of, even in those worst summers, when it rains and we wont get any warm, sunny season at all..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 29, 2017 at 9:01 pm

      echi:

      Ain't almost all Americans just descendants of some immigrants?? Hansen is a Danish name, so it made me think of a Danish sailorman..

      (I found out some time ago that we also might have some distant relatives - my grandfathers fathers cousin - who came to U.S. with his wife around 1903.. Some where around Lake Michigan, I just haven't been able to find all the papers to be completely sure..)

      So when talking about the U.S. and the immigration, it is like, who's land is it really?? And who is the immigrant..??

    • Kaisa of Finland May 29, 2017 at 8:32 pm

      And Magh:

      "The longer the occupation goes on the more Israel is trapped.."

      I have to agree with you on this.. The higher the walls and the deeper the hatered gets, soon they have built a society where no-one can live a normal free life anymore, without surrounding aggressivity, weapons and the atmosphere of conflict escalating in any minute.. Who wants to live like that?? And no matter what they say , it is not a healthy environment for anyone to live or grow up in..

      And when you talk about Haredim.. I used to hang around in Bnei Brak specially in shabbats, just to feel the atmosphere.. 'Cause when earlier talking about parallel societys with RoHa, well they really had their's.. It felt like going back in time, 100 years or so.. And I don't think they'll be much of a help, if Netanyahu gets problems with the Palestinians.. They used to walk in the middle of the street, in the middle of the traffic, because the life is in God's hands, so who cares about the traffic regulations.. So why would they care about Netanyahu either..??

      And ofcourse the occupation should end, just because the Palestinians have a right to live a normal life, but what is going on in Israel, won't soon serve it's Jewish citizens either.. So there won't be any good reasons to keep it up anymore and hopefully the change will come.. If not starting from U.S. then starting from the "average" Israelis themselves..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 29, 2017 at 7:57 pm

      Maghlawatan:

      "Imagine what they could have done with all the money they wasted on the settlers.."

      And imagine what U.S. could have done with all those billions they have used on supporting Israel and the IDF through all these years.. Maybe something good for it's own citizens.. Free health care for those in need?? Help for the homeless people?? When listening Trumps latest proposals, I think he is going to cut mostly from those who voted for him. He doesn't care for anyone, he just wants his businesses running..

    • Kaisa of Finland May 29, 2017 at 7:20 pm

      Mooser:

      "Is called “Hansen’s Curse.."

      And who was this Hansen?? A Danish sailorman??

  • Trump may want a deal, but Israeli Jews are not interested
    • Kaisa of Finland May 24, 2017 at 2:54 pm

      p.p.s.

      To be precise: The Israelis around me were mostly with Middle East and North-African background (Irak, Yemen, Tunis, Morocco and some Spanish too), I did not really learn to know any "white Jews"* at all. I don't know why. And I can only speak for those I knew.

      (*I don't know what would be the appropriate word to use, but hope the point is taken..)

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