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"I would rather be righteous than self-righteous."
True. But I would rather you said: I would rather be righteous than a Zionist (of any stripe).
Don't hitch you wagon to a pipe dream that one day a miracle will happen and settlers will vacate occupied Palestinian land and Palestinian refugees will be bestowed with their right of return. It'll NEVER happen.
Here's more plausible scenarios: Israel will become the first country in modern history where APARTHEID will be legalized OR Apartheid will finally provoke such outrage worldwide that Israel will be forced through sanctions and other pressure to succumb to a one state solution with rights for all. What I see is the former, Zionists having their every whim fulfilled through the ultimate corruption via the influence they wield and then one day karma will FINALLY get the last word...and if Zionists don't take the humane and righteous route, then I hope I live long enough to witness the karma.
"I kept looking at the sexy waitress with her black tights and short skirt and good jawline and tied-back hair."
Missing from the description are: Ignorant, apathetic, shallow Zionist, I mean...sexy waitress... Or were we just supposed to read the truth between the lines? I know-I know, the truth isn't "sexy".
I didn't.
"She was cool but it felt decadent. I couldn’t believe that the galvanized steel of apartheid Qalandiya was less than an hour away. But maybe it was because of apartheid Qalandiya that she is this way."
Hmmm...Does Apartheid make Zionist women look hotter or do Zionist women get turned on by Apartheid and the suffering of Palestinians? If only the dark cloud of Apartheid weren't there to spoil the fun. But it inspires this analogy in me: Everytime Jews visit Israel, they flirt with Apartheid. Especially when they enjoy the sites, or enjoy a drink or coffee at a cool bar or cafe or maybe merely the sight of a Zionist chick in black tights. Granted, some unfortunately take it much further. Meanwhile, Palestinians suffer...3 a.m. arrests, indefinite illegal detainment, torture, checkpoints, evictions, destruction of their property, torching of olive groves, land theft and more ethnic cleansing, and Palestinian children are born every year into this miserable situation.
Toxic affection for Israel in deed. I'm glad Bill decided to leave early, never to return, I trust.
But others just can't help themselves; they keep going back for more.
"Though I was just “imagining” such a checkpoint for the purpose of prodding Bill."
Just "prodding"? It felt to me like you were playing the devil's advocate. But why play that game? It made me pretty angry. I'm glad "Bill" demonstrated integrity regardless. He passed with flying colors; to my relief.
My favorite comment of his was when he said that "love" for Israel is not love but refusing or struggling to let go of a "toxic relationship".
I was starting to get nauseous with the whole digression on "love" for Israel. Thank God he rescued me with that analogy. He nailed it.
I prefer the innocent perspective of calling it what it is, as Bill did.
"And did we mention Tel Aviv nightlife."
Screw Tel Aviv nightlife!!!
Festive Apartheid, my ass!
I would call him arrogant and insolent. And I'm being kind. But-but; it just happened to be a Zionist taxi driver, not an Arab. Too bad for you!
OBAMA DOES NOT PERSONALLY LIKE NUT&YAHOO AND HAS A FRIENDLY RAPPORT WITH CAMERON.
The above says it all.
OBAMA IS FULL OF...POLITICAL INTEREST AND YES, FULL OF SHET. HE'S A FRAUD AND A JOKE!
I watched it! Finally, the media is starting to get the truth out. It should have been titled: "Zionism EXPOSED". Oren looked really bad and sounded worse. It was very satisfying watching that LIAR squirm out of uncharacteristic pointed questions from an American journalist. I was however disappointed Simon didn't address the issue of Zionists spitting on Christian clergy. It would have punctuated a factual report very nicely indeed.
Pure joy. That picture speaks a thousands words, meanwhile Fredblogs stews in his hate. Delicious glimmer of justice.
Here's another thought:
Jews need to remember on Holocaust Day that MILLIONS of NON-JEWS who were also the victims of the Nazis have been totally forgotten thanks to the me-me-me Jewish community.
This expresses what I think of Bono, his visit to Zioland and his poem:
link to blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com
Hmmm...she looks very familiar...
Oh, I remember! The glasses threw me off for a moment! The eyes give her away...the eyes are the window to the soul and hers is rotten to the core.:
link to 2.bp.blogspot.com
I've seen the interviews but haven't read the book and have no further interest in this story. But again, according to her, the President took her virginity only 4 days after she started her internship. She was a 19-year old virgin just before the Women's Liberation Movement took flight; hit on by the most powerful man in the world...I think everyone's judging her a little too harshly, and missing the real point.
Her timing in releasing this information is just a tad suspect, but who cares. She should have come out with it when the presidential historian Robert Dallek outed the affair in 2003.
I suspect people judge her harshly because she exposes Kennedy as a total cad; which he was, let's be honest. I mean this goes beyond being "human" or flawed. He asked her to do Powers and his brother and took her virginity on his wife's bed, amongst other things...aye. He was a dirty dog who used a 19-year old like a dishrag and at most, she's to be pitied for her total lack of self-esteem. He's the one whose judgment and behavior are indefensible. I'm sure he had her pegged as a naive schoolgirl and victim from day one and dived right in to help himself anyway and kept using her to the last drop with reckless abandon. What if she got pregnant or alleged rape because alcohol was involved?
Obviously there's a monetary angle to her book amongst other things, but what matters to me about the story is that the truth puts all things in perspective. America's leaders are not what they're too often projected to be. They're far, very FAR from perfect and the world should stop treating them like sage gods. I defend the truth and reality for the awareness they inspire in us; and care squat about the salacious details, the opportunism and the rest.
Israelis will brag and use these performances as propaganda to hide their Apartheid system and the gulags next door where they subject Palestinians to military oppression: cattle cages, bullets and canisters to the head, pepper spray directly to the face, beatings, dog attacks and indefinite administrative detention while they continue to steal Palestinian land and deplete Palestinian resources.
Shame on the RH Chili Peppers for agreeing to entertain these Zionist abusers while Palestinians suffer next door.
Well it's no surprise that now that Finkelstein's hopes for a two-state solution are dashed and rendered dead-in-the-water by the growing and predictable radicalisation of Israelis, particularly in the West Bank and government; Finkelstein has reached a brick wall and instead of being guided by his conscience and moral compass and evolving with the changing reality; he's "devolving" and resorts to intellectual dishonesty and tribal loyalty. Typical Zionist.
I've lost total respect for this man. Shades of Benny Morris. Ick.
It's a crime against nature, an eyesore representing a crime against humanity. Zionist Jews are destroying the Holy Land with settlements, walls and gulags. They're destroying the Holy Land with their inhumanity.
Was South Sudan a country when Bashir was prosecuted by the ICC?
Confirming the depth of their character for one, or rather shallowness. And to think that Jewish cash is the one that politicians shamelessly chase the most and compromise their dignity for...nauseating.
Oh, excuse meeee, if I don't find their attitude amusing considering what Jewish cash is buying these days: political influence to push a Zionist agenda, tax-free funding of settlement expansion, and even a small condo built on stolen land in old Jerusalem or a stolen beachy town next door to the Gaza gulag. Some real "nice philanthropy"... *eye roll*. So excuse me, if the joke's lost on me; I'm not in a laughing mood when it comes to Jews bragging about the clout they have with politicians.
Reclaiming a slur, my ass. It isn't just like reclaiming the N-word or f-word! Using money to gain influence and enable Zionist crimes has nothing to do with being any kind of victim! Who're you kidding? Linking victimhood to what they're doing merely enables the depraved power-play.
Ahhh, depravity is so impudent, so mindless and reckless, that's why it always leads to its own demise. But I thank them for confirming what we already know; it saves the rest of us having to do the dirty work of exposing it and getting flack for it.
"military installation, placed on the sovereign land" Oh the wall and buffer zone is on sovereignnnnn...land, is it? YEAH! PALESTINIAN LAND!
HA!!!!!!!!!
"At first I thought..."
Really?????????? That's what you call it? Your thought process resulted in that pile of manure?
Reality check: MEXICANS LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY ON THEIR OWN LAND - THEY'RE NOT OCCUPIED, ETHNICALLY CLEANSED OR OPPRESSED BY A FOREIGN MILITARY!!!
Oh God, please let everyone who views individuals who resist a brutal occupation and are waging a courageous battle for their rights as "stupid" be reincarnated next time around as slaves to this same kind of brutality with zero rights for generations while people like "dim" call them stupid.
Let me repeat: these Jews who believe they're entitled to this land should question why God threw the Palestinians in their way. No doubt the only answer their limited brain came up with is: to improve their target practice. And some wonder why my commentary is so scathing...
If anything, Zionists should at the least be prosecuted for the crime of creating such an ugly skyline in the "promised" land, but then everything about Zionism is real UGLY.
Beinart, a Zionist opportunist? Say it ain't so!
"Most"? You're too kind.
No doubt he reassured and massaged a lot of Zionist ego. As I previously wrote since Beinart has become the darling of many an article here; this benevolent focus on him and Burston borders on DELUSIONAL, so thanks for proving me right and for a well-deserved REALITY CHECK. However, in the Delusional Department, Zionists get the prize.
"I just finished the book. I found this/find this hopelessly frustrating."
And Beinart couldn't be more pleased...his coffers thank you.
"If enough somewhat blind people describe the Israeli elephant, a sufficiently disastrous picture will emerge."
Unfortunately, he's describing an elephant when it's really a Zionist frankenstein.
"Unfortunately, only when the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of changing, does authentic change occur."
Pain? How can Zionists feel pain in the Jewish Disneyland they created for themselves? Only Palestinians can make them feel the pain; that's why they've been walled off out of sight and out of mind.
Please restrict the end to the following excellent conclusion and LEAVE OUT THE LAST SENTENCE as I DID: "But for those who see Palestinians occupying the center stage of their struggle, one can’t help but be reminded of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s famous statement: “Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.” Never have I felt these words as much as when reading this book."
Don't count on Beinart to "move in the right direction" when the ass in him is leading the way. You're giving him way too much credit as a human being.
But thank you for sparing others by taking on the drudge of parsing through the pile produced by his shallow, tribal Zionist brain. To think that trees were cut down on behalf of his hypocritical verbiage...! Carbon footprint, anyone?
This isn't the mid-life crisis of Zionism that will soon pass because Zionists like Beinart are sorting it all out. This is the beginning of THE FALL OF..., and thank God for that! Let's not forget that crimes against humanity were repeatedly committed to prop up this Zionist frankenstein. The problem for Zionists is that they don't live in early colonial times when overt genocide could limit the savage population into the future, and the Palestinians just aren't resisting violently enough to justify killing a few thousand every year. Oh what a conundrum these Zionists are locked into! Apparently, so they say, God wanted the Jews to have the land, but he threw the Palestinians in their way, and these Jews just can't figure out why getting rid of them isn't working.
Now everyone kindly help Beinart laugh all the way to the bank by purchasing this Zionist farce in print. (Snark)
I'm so tired of Jewish Americans' hypocrisy and their repetitive purging. Zion Square, Open Zion...it still stinks! Oh go live in Apartheid Israel and shut up already!
Definitely! Ziokaaners sounds perfect.
I’m sure Germans described Dresden before the bombing exactly like you described Tel Aviv. I’m not surprised the ‘Zionaakers” (my take on Afrikaaners) are living in a bubble of total delusion, numb to the suffering of the prisoners in their gulag operation next door. Lemme tell you something: your post is RIFE with apathy and arrogance, is contemptible beyond belief given the context and is pure stinky vomit.
It takes some people longer to wake up than others. His bias was no doubt blinding.
Excellent reply.
I'm sorry but I just can't embrace or respect individuals who I know would settle for CHEATING others by pushing through a half-assed solution that benefits mostly their tribe and just to be rid of a "situation" that has annoyed their conscience for years.
Oh, whatever makes you feel better...like I care.
"Putting aside the question of whether Atzmon is worthy of praise, surely there are other Jews who would measure up to kalithea’s high standards."
Then other Jews better speak up on behalf of justice and humanity even when the tribe must be denied like Atzmon does or be painted with the same brush. This is not a time for keeping a low profile within the herd.
Some of the hopefulness I'm witnessing around here in regards to Beinart and Burston borders on DELUSIONAL.
Beinart and Burston are the types that would sideline justice, the truth and humanity to cheat the Palestinians out of something like all their land and right of return in a 2 state and all their rights and right of return in a one state. So why are you cheering for potential cheats?
I can't believe this site is peddling the likes of Beinart and Burston trying to make their views palatable.
Atzmon was right about Liberal Zionists and anti-Zionist Jews. He seems to be the only truly honest Jew around who cares about justice and humanity above all else.
Obama probably made Netanyahu the same promise he made Medvedev. He probably told him that he doesn't want to alienate his base so "see me after the elections". This is why Netanyahu has been boasting that Obama meant yes when he said no on attacking Iran now. I bet there were lots of winks exchanged between them. Obama treats the left side of the party like children and talks to them out of both sides of his mouth all the time.
FOR GOD'S SAKES SUPPORT RON PAUL'S CAMPAIGN BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
ONLY IF ISREAL RETURNS ALL THE PRE-67 LAND PLUNDERED AND ALL THE REFUGEES ARE ALLOWED TO RETURN. UNDERSTAND THIS: IF ISRAEL GETS AWAY WITH INJUSTICE BY TRYING TO CHEAT THE PALESTINIANS...HAMAS WILL LIVE ANOTHER DAY AND MORE!
The operatives in this paragraph are: ISRAEL CHEATS THE PALESTINIANS.
But then, it's the nature of Zionists.
"a pit like Gaza"
To think that this site censored my reply to Mutter's article (which I put a lot of effort into) and posted THIS GARBAGE.
I'M SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING NEVER POSTING ON THIS SITE AGAIN.
Oh and get this: Beinart said Israel is the JEWISH STATE on Colbert's show. What a FAKE!
Beinart's a joke. I saw him yesterday on Stephen Colbert's show and his fawning over Israel made me want to throw up. Why didn't he ask Colbert to show the video of the child whose father is being arrested for "stealing" water on Palestinian land, if he's really serious? Instead it was: I love Israel, I love it so much...blah-blah-blah!
Beinart's hypocrisy makes me want to scream.
According to the Iranians, Mossad has been in Azerbaijan for quite some time training Jundallah terrorists in the art of terrorism against Iranian scientists and their families.
I'd say Azeris are looking for trouble and they're gonna get it. Iran is probably lining up thousands of missiles for special delivery to Azerbaijan the moment Israeli jets land there.
What a bunch of dunces those Azeris are. They're asking for it.
If you accept that one million Palestinians were cleared off their land, through terrorist acts and cleansing and forced to live in poverty as refugees so that guys like Burston could enjoy a second passport and Jews from Eastern bloc countries, New Jersey and Florida could squat on Palestinian land and behave like brutes because of some religious entitlement and destroy Palestinians' lives in the process; then why give a Zionist, like Burston, an excuse to justify himself and the supremacist, racist ideology that is Zionism?
I don't get it. His goal is to rescue Zionism folks, that's all! He likes to purge his conscience once in a while and is trying to pretend that Zionism isn't as bad as it looks and could be salvaged if only for those "5000 or so violent settlers"...OH PUH LEEEES! Snap out of it! He's ALL ZIONISM...period!
I can't stand Zionist logic; it's not logic but warped thinking and perception that comes from a sense of entitlement and supremacy over the poor "heathen" occupied people.
Mr. Burston only has to switch the parties into the other's circumstances to understand how flawed his thinking is and how hollow and patronizing his words sound. I wonder what his excuse is for not applying the Palestinian situation to Jews before he writes anything or opens his mouth? Because truth can only come from doing just that! In other words, if generations of Jewish children were being born into military oppression, occupation, imposed poverty in refugee camps, settler brutality and land theft...gee, I wonder how Mr. Burston would judge Jewish resistance to THAT???
The black community and others who believe in justice have mobilized on behalf of ONE CHILD, Trayvon Martin. These people are moving heaven and earth to get a conviction against Zimmerman.
How can Israel kill and traumatize so many children throughout the years based on an oppressive, supremacist ideology with total impunity??? The decisive, forceful, urgent action and conviction occurring in the black community right now is what needs to occur against ISRAEL and its crimes against humanity, not wimpy half-measures like Beinart suggests. No community or society can allow crimes against humanity to continue with total impunity for this long.
I got this from Desertpeace: "ONE OF THE ACTIVISTS BEGAN TO SING “ WE ARE ALL ONE”. EVERYBODY BEGAN TO SING IN UNISON & RAISE THEIR HAND WITH ONE FINGER POINTING UP"
link to desertpeace.wordpress.com
We are all ONE; and that's why anybody's child who is murdered and subjected to injustice anywhere is everyone's child. Seems to me that Beinart doesn't get this; all he cares about is rescuing Zionism for HIS children and passing on to another generation a crime that keeps generations of Palestinian children under oppression without rights.
I want to add: look at how the black community and others who believe in justice have mobilized on behalf of the shooting of ONE CHILD, Trayvon Martin. These people are moving heaven and earth to get a conviction against Zimmerman.
How can Israel kill and traumatize so many children throughout the years based on an oppressive, supremacist ideology with total impunity??? The decisive, forceful, urgent action and conviction occurring in the black community right now is what needs to occur against ISRAEL and its crimes against humanity, not wimpy half-measures. No community or society can allow crimes against humanity to continue with total impunity for this long.
How does it feel to be on the outside full of painful awareness looking in and begging for whatever attention Jews can spare this cause? How does it feel to have to settle for so little, practically nothing from fellow Jews after making an effort day after day to bring people to their senses? THIS IS NOTHING. You have freedom and comfort. Your children aren't being born into oppression or dying because of a foreigner's lust for land. So obviously you don’t feel that kind of anguish and desperation.
If the children in the following videos which we discussed on this site were Beinart's or YOURS; if this kind of suffering were hitting close to home, he wouldn't be calling for half measures that we all know will amount to nothing and you wouldn't be cheering him on. You would be moving heaven and earth for YOUR children! And both of you would end up being ridiculed, demonized and labeled radicals, but you would be focused only on putting an end to the crime ZIONISM is. If these were your kids and no one understood, no one cared and the only hope you witnessed around you were Beinart types, trying to save themselves and their tribe by making a paltry effort, you would become Atzmon and people would shun you wherever you went carrying the grief of YOUR children in your soul. But all this would be worth it! We need 2 Atzmons to multiply into 10, we need thousands and hundreds of thousands to DEFEAT THIS THING!
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
NO CHILD SHOULD SUFFER THIS FATE AT THE HANDS OF ZIONISTS INDEFINITELY OR ANYONE ELSE AND HALF-MEASURES DON’T CUT IT!!
The truth is that these children are OUR children too – that’s what you don’t get!
What is it that prevents YOU and Beinart from fighting for these children as if THEY WERE YOUR OWN? Something stops you and Beinart from fighting for them as if they were yours, and this flaw is what you should be addressing. Would you offer only a half-measure for your own child??? This is where Atzmon as a Jew has the moral hi-ground on you both. He has assumed his responsibility in this crime and understands the concept of humanity. Coddling the Jewish community will not achieve awareness and the urgent transformative action required here. Shock treatment is what's required here. Would you have YOUR children wait for half-measures to work or NOT???
"When you say Israel, I assume you mean the Ben Gurion sense of “the State of Israel” rather than “the Jewish citizens of the State of Israel”."
Quit assuming! Whichever state you choose; it was founded on terrorism against Palestinians, ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, land theft, and GRAVE INJUSTICES that have never been forcefully condemned.
Jewish citizens??? Pfffft! The only reason they're there is because of a monumental guilt trip laid on the backs of Palestinians and crimes against humanity committed by Jews against Palestinians.
Justice for WHOM exactly???
I wasn't aware of that tragic incident from last year you so cleverly injected into this context, so I looked it up. Yes, I know you won't believe this, but my mother took a fall last year around this time and if you notice from my comment history; I made no comments in the month of April 2011 as my time, mind and concern were otherwise occupied closer to home.
So, after looking it up now, I found out Israelis got their "justice" by killing 19 people and injuring 45. Included in the revenge slaughter of Palestinians were civilians and specifically, a mother and daughter and a 10-year old boy.
The U.S. State Department, Ban-ki at the U.N., the EU's Catherine Ashton, the French government, the British government, the Israeli President and Israel MPs all shed tears for this boy and condemned his killing forcefully. NO, NOT on behalf of the Palestinian boy, THE ISRAELI ONE. Not one of them sheds a tear when a Palestinian child is murdered; NOT ONE!!! And hundreds upon hundreds of Palestinian children have been MURDERED on behalf of ZIONISM, i.e. lust for Palestinian land; the theft thereof; ethnic cleansing, Apartheid oppression and the murder of resistors to such crimes!
So excuse MEEEE if I want to mourn the death of THIS child right now whose MURDER was NOT CONDEMNED by Global leaders who would rather not mourn THIS child whose life is apparently worthless to them next to that SINGLE Israeli boy's life taken last year, and one more thing, whose death everyone profusely addressed. I know it bothers the hell out of you that we care so much about Palestinian children, that we let the world know that they are actually HUMAN beings who existed and who matter too!!! And because I'm not the fool you played me for, because I know what you were REALLY up to, I have no problem telling you this: take your attempted self-righteous play and effort to diminish this moment and SHOVE IT!...YOU KNOW WHERE.
Last lines in the article: " "Whatever the motives, the perpetrator of this hateful crime can never justify, nor make anyone forget, that he is the murderer of children.""
-Ditto for ISRAEL.
Unfortunately, who will tighten security around Palestinian children; and which Israeli Parliamentarian will speak out against their terrorist government that has killed hundreds and hundreds of children?
Oh Goddddddddddd! What did Ayub Asaliya do to deserve being born into capitivity and oppression only to meet this end?????? WHAT DID HE DO, GOD???? Why should this child be denied what every Israeli child takes for granted? WHYYYYY?
No more! Please end the Occupation and oppression with this generation; please God, NO MORE CHILDREN SACRIFICED TO THIS OCCUPATION!!! Free these people and return them to their land! Please stop foresaking them - PLEASE LET THEM BE BORN FREE.
Yes, they are OUR children.
"Will J Street describe these conditions at its conference, titled "Making History," next week?"
- NO, I doubt it; not like YOU can and should.
Palestinians can not have solar panels because Israelis need Palestinians to continue living in the stone age on their land, denied of basic necessities because Israelis delusionally believe that with time, Palestinians would give up their land to live in a shack in a refugee camp just so they can have an electric light bulb and a tv. Palestinians need so little to connect with their land and this is the greatest threat of all to Israelis whose neediness knows no bounds and who cringe when they're confronted with a Palestinian who's happy with anything so long as he can remain on his land.
Who deserves the land more: the man who will endure his basic needs and rights denied for DECADES and risk his life to remain on that land; or the man who must exercise control, deny others their rights, arm himself to the gills, oppress and kill, and steal more and more land and resources, and ravage the land of another to satiate his own neediness and insecurity?
It was probably code-named: Operation SS
link to resources0.news.com.au
Ever since the military lied about Tillman's death; they've lost ALL credibility.
May Rachel Corrie's memory outlive ZIONISM. She was ahead of her time and her peers in confronting Zionist injustice...GOD BLESS HER!
@Giladg
OH PISS OFF!!!
If Israel doesn't get its way before the Olympics; Israelis will pull a false flag that'll get everyone on their page so they get their way after the Olympics. Israelis are crybabies: meee-meee-meee; waaaaah, I want my way or it's the highway!
"Got to keep our priotities straight here. A nuclear Iran or smooth olympic games in London?"
Sounds like a Zionist false flag threat to me as opposed to an ultimatum.
"But it is obvious that Netanyahu is destined to play Churchill’s and become the leader of the Free World."
Netanyahu will be leader of the "free" world in...HELL first!.
The British authorities should especially be on the lookout for suspicious white vans and dancing Israelis with videocams.
Netanyahu's reading of Obama reminds me of the excuse rapists try to get away with: she said "no" but she really meant "yes, yes, yes". But then I can understand how he might read Obama all wrong, because we all certainly read him wrong too four years ago!!
Funny how with this imminent threat of war, Democrats are disguising themselves as Republicans; registering with the other side in Operation Hilarity to vote for SANTORUM; so he can end up the Republican nominee. Democrats are the most virulent critics around of the only anti-war Republican, Ron Paul, who in turn is critical of Obama's foreign policy. Looks like Democrats are going to get what they're praying for: WAR and then SANTORUM because the saying is true: Be careful what you wish for -- more tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones.
If Israel attacks and war breaks out; this is going to be more than Obama can handle. Democrats who believe an Israeli attack before the election would benefit Obama are DELUDING themselves, because when Obama starts losing control; when things start getting out of hand, Americans will run to a tough Republican figure.
Yes-yes, but did they exercise extraordinary influence over the largest military power in world that in turn sways the opinion of European countries?
Ergo I stand by my comment...and I'll go even further: it may just take a catastrophic event before Palestinians will be set free.
Forget the weird digression and twisted logic. THIS was the main goal of your reply: "but attributing that to unique aspects of Jewish culture is anti-Semitic".
I'll bet your seams were ripping to get that out of your system.
TOO BAD! You picked the wrong argument with me. I've always been a rebel at heart. No matter how much anyone tries to control my perception; bully me, threaten me, OR lay the guilt trip on me; they still can't bend my conviction. I've been moved to tears and outrage by gut-wrenching images of inhumanity, but my conviction remains the same: getting the big picture right with the truth always in hand is what will induce understanding and save humanity. And your reply was a LAME attempt to fudge the truth and delay what you really wanted say to me.
So save your label and your judgmental prouncements. I don't give a rat's ass and it definitely won't influence my conviction.
God help the Palestinians when they have Jews on their side who so cleverly, artfully dodge the truth. In a better world, they'd have Atzmon leading the charge. He doesn't run from the truth; he grabs it and runs WITH it!
Yeah, that's the problem isn't it?
LET'S BE HONEST: Why don't you want others here to know I've been censored multiple times on this thread????????????
I'm sure the JTA is bursting with smugness and self-righteousness thanks to those who have no problem sacrificing Atzmon and the truth. Here's a perfect example of the truth that's being denied biting back. The consequence for those who choose to label and ostracize Atzmon is that they find themselves empowering idiots who diminish the cause we're supposed to be defending. Good job y'all! (eyeroll).
"This unwholesome American Jewish obsession with “anti-Semitism” is something which needs to change if there is to be any dialogue, understanding, or progress."
Don't hold your breath. If it's happening on this site; if we're censored here; don't expect change on this issue. I'm not only flabbergasted; I'm beyond livid at the backward step and herd mentality regarding Atzmon. One thing I can't stand is when the TRUTH is stomped on the way it is every time a discussion of Atzmon happens on this site.
Get back to me when the cause goes south and you're left with no clue why.
If you think it'll be as easy to abolish Israeli Apartheid as it was South African Apartheid; I got news for you!
"Atzmon was criticized by Zionists as “holocaust denier”. This is rather silly. But he is dangerously close to something worse: justifying Holocaust."
Justifying the Holocaust??? No! THAT'S FALSE. What I believe he's saying is that he understands how the Universe responds to our STUPIDITY, IGNORANCE. What he's saying is that we DON'T CONTROL the consequences of our actions, we can only control our CHOICES, decisions...and ignorant actions always have bad CONSEQUENCES.
Atzmon is a REALIST. Universal balance can only be driven by our higher self, if and only if we put our higher self on that balance; we can't cheat on that level. If we put primal drive forward we get back a primal consequence. Therefore we must always question the selfishness of our belief system. You can't expect to crank evolution forward with "others" if you're not willing to evolve and purge your own deep-seated flaws or ADMIT THEY EXIST. I believe Atzmon is admitting they exist and that those flaws led to Zionism and could lead to more disastrous consequences.
"when he and his followers insist that his struggle is the same as theirs..."
No-oh, I doubt he sees himself oppressed to that level; and I doubt his goal is to diminish the suffering of Palestinians.
I think his own personal feeling is a kind of oppression inflicted on him took the form of "an attempt at exclusivist indoctrination from cradle to grave".
Yeah but the majority holds everyone else back. So Atzmon deals with the majority mindset and the ENABLING by the minority.
"repudiate a racist"
So someone who choose to criticize a fundamental flaw with his religious tribe is a "racist"? Since when to race and religious beliefs equate?
But I doubt his Jewish critics will buy his CD.