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  • 'NYT' perpetuates myth Israel was 'fighting for its very survival' during 1967 war
    • Important piece. Had heard in detail from a history professor at Ohio.U. several decades ago that Israel's claim that Egypt started that fight was total hooey. Israel has been using the "existential threat" argument for quite some time. Now with Iran.

      Too bad Ruderon chooses to perpetuate this myth. However not surprised.

      Will you be submitting this analysis to the New York Bloody Times?

  • Salaita sues donors for 'injecting' themselves into U of Illinois decision, threatening to withhold gifts unless he was fired
    • One moment Hop is arguing there is no influence peddling by the I lobby then he argues there was no contract in this case. Will they be required by law to release names?

      How many Prof's have lost jobs because of the I lobby? The one that always jumps out is Finkelstein.

  • Netanyahu speech scandal blows up, and 'soiled' Dermer looks like the fall guy
    • The U.S. is right with them. As citizens of the U.S. we do not have much to be proud of either. Just wish the international community would jump in an do an intervention on both countries. Well a start at the ICC with Israel and their latest atrocities committed this past summer in mass

    • Prof Cole has a zinger up over at Informed Comment about what this speech is intended to do. Undermine negotiations with Iran...start another war. "Netanyahu and Boehner"

    • "That the U.S. is 100% behind Israel" Chris Matthews, Eugene Robinson and so many of their colleagues sure feel the need to always repeat "Israel is one of our closest allies" "one of our best friends" They repeat this all of the time. Like a requirement..a badge

  • State Dep't says Netanyahu speech is not inappropriate, disrespectful, humiliating or embarrassing
    • Too bad Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow etc do not have the chutzpah to show that one on their programs...says it all

    • "That being said it is absolutely Israel is encouraging a USA / Iranian war. Iran is being really annoying while Israel’s threats are much more likely to result in hundreds of thousands of millions of casualties " Tell it like it is.

      The Leveretts wrote some time ago that the U.S. and Israel (behind the scenes) would not accept the offer that Brazil and Turkey made to enrich Iran's uranium for peaceful purposes

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    • If you really want to understand the situation with Iran read former IAEA weapons inspector Scott Ritter's book "Target Iran" A must read link to

      Watch and listen to his many interviews about Iran and other middle east issues on Cspan

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      Remember this is the inspector that did everything in his power to alert the American people that the Bush administrations WMD claims were to be seriously questioned ..before the invasion. Chris Matthews sure did not have experts on his program before the invasion who were questioning the validity of the intelligence. Yet he claimed after the invasion that he was against those actions.

      He will try to pull the same thing off if the U.S. or Israel attacks Iran "oh I was against military intervention' Yet Chris and his ilk will not have real experts on his program to discuss the Iran issue in a very serious and accurate the Leveretts, El Baradei, Prof Cole Dr. Zbig etc Just keeps having the MSNBC contributors on. STay tuned for Melissa Harris Perry because she will surely go out on a truth limb far more than her colleagues at MSNBC. Possibly Joy Reid too.

    • Jeff still wondering where you come up with a statement that most intelligence agencies say that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? Can you provide some links?

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      "…But the report—arguably the most anticipated document of its kind since the NPT was first advanced in 1968—does not in any way demonstrate that Iran is “developing a nuclear weapon”. Rather, it once again affirms, as the IAEA has for decades, Iran’s “non-diversion” of nuclear material. In other words, even if the Islamic Republic wanted to build nuclear weapons (and Tehran continues to deny, at the highest levels of authority, that it wishes to do so) it does not have the weapons-grade material essential to the task."

      IAEA and Iran
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    • And who can forget Norman Finkelstein on this one "Israel is a lunatic state"

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      Carter, Finkelstein and Dr. Brzezinski have brought up the possibility of Israel using their nukes in the middle east

    • Jeff on your argument that everyone knows Israel has nuclear weapons. So what? Are you saying that they are exempt from playing by the same rules as Iran etc. Sure sounds like it. As if Israel does not pose a real threat to peace in the middle east.

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      " 4.4 Setting an International Example

      Argument: For the U. S. to set a convincing example, it was necessary to treat all nations alike. And obviously, if it wanted others to refrain from reprocessing, it had to refrain itself.

      Counter: In fact, other nations wanted their fuel reprocessed in order to use, save or barter their plutonium, and so that they could dispose of their nuclear waste and thereby satisfy environmental concerns.

      Discussion: The U. S. could have offered commercial reprocessing services, just as Britain, France and Belgium did. This action would have offered a clear way to reduce perceived risks related to reprocessing in unstable regions of the world.

      Actually, some Europeans leaders suspected that the U. S. (with its huge coal, oil and gas resources) was trying to get an economic advantage in energy, and by calling for them to abandon their programs, might be trying to recover its world leadership in nuclear energy. They believed this, because to them, the Administration's economic and proliferation arguments against reprocessing did not make sense.

      Proliferation threats from advanced nations, rogue states and terrorists were not differentiated. Jimmy Carter wanted a comprehensive policy that solved all proliferation problems. The goal was a leakproof regime, but that was unrealistic in view of all the alternative paths to nuclear weapons. Far from being comprehensive, the Carter policy affected only possible path: from commercial reprocessing in industrialized nations. These nations had better, more secure and secret ways if they wanted to make nuclear weapons."

      Israel's nuclear, biological and chemical weapons a real threat to peace in the middle east. Has and continues to be so.

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    • Remember when Dr. Zbig Brzezinski said:

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      Zbig Brzezinski: Obama Administration Should Tell Israel U.S. Will Attack Israeli Jets if They Try to Attack Iran
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      By MichaelJames
      Sep 20, 2009 11:10am

      The national security adviser for former President Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski, gave an interview to The Daily Beast in which he suggested President Obama should make it clear to Israel that if they attempt to attack Iran's nuclear weapons sites the U.S. Air Force will stop them.

      "We are not exactly impotent little babies," Brzezinski said. "They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch? … We have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a 'Liberty' in reverse."

      The USS Liberty was a U.S. Navy technical research ship that the Israeli Air Force mistakenly attacked during the Six Day War in 1967.

    • Jeff "no it has not been proven" You can say that again and again. "no it has not been proven" Yet Matthews (right of center on this issue) Maddow, Al Sharpton not of these talking heads has the integrity to really have a debate about the Iran claims between real experts about this issue on their programs. Matthews needs to grow a pair on this issue. Have the Leveretts on up against Kristol or another flaming Iran warmonger. The Leveretts would wipe up the floor with Kristol like he was a mop. Just the way Glenn Greenwald and Dylan Ratigan did with Cliff May's rants about Iran etc.

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      This was classic link to

      Just a shame that Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews do not have the integrity to have a real discussion on their programs about Iran...And not with their pre-approved contributors

    • Lysia to be sure Israel will say that whether it was Israeli fire that killed the UN worker is "disputed"

    • Jeff "We may be a propagandized people, but our democracy works pretty well at aligning policy with our opinion. " Oh yeah like when our Reps voted against what 98% of the American public polled were saying..deeper background checks for gun ownership. What a totally bullshit statement "our democracy works pretty well at aligning policy with our opinion. What a crock.

      Jeff "Those same people would also say that Israel has a nuclear weapons program and they come 2nd to Canada in terms of country that most Americans consider an ally." It is truly part of the unspoken litmus test of our MSM talking heads to repeat over and over again that "Israel is one of our closest allies" There is little to wonder why many Americans repeat what the parrot MSM host constantly repeat.

    • Israel is going to do everything in their power to create a false flag operation having to do with Iran

      False Flag

      A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran

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    • Looking for the Tim Russet (Meet The Press) interview with then VP Cheney where Cheney goes off on Iran makes all sorts of unsubstantiated claims and Russert does not challenge him. This interview does not have Cheney's rant about Iranis classic about the Iraq invasion based on lies
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      "MR. RUSSERT: Let me turn to weapons of mass destruction. I asked you back in March what you thought was the most important rationale for going to war with Iraq. There’s the question, and here is your answer:

      “...the combination of [Saddam’s] development and use of chemical weapons, his development of biological weapons, his pursuit of nuclear weapons.”

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: And the tie to terror.

      MR. RUSSERT: Where are they?

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I think that the jury is still out in terms of trying to get everything pulled together with respect to what we know. But we’ve got a very good man now in charge of the operation, David Kay. He used to run UNSCOM, a highly qualified, technically qualified and able individual. He’s in charge of the operation now. And I also think, Tim, that if you go back and look at what we found to date, that we—there’s no doubt in my mind but what Saddam Hussein had these capabilities. This wasn’t an idea cooked up overnight by a handful of people, either in the administration or out of the CIA. The reporting that led to the National Intelligence Estimate, upon which I based my statements to you, that was produced a year ago now, the essence of which has since been declassified, that was the product of hundreds of people working over probably 20 years, back at least to the Osirak reactor in 1981. The conclusions in that NIE, I think, are very valid. And I think we will find that in fact they are valid. What we’re dealing with here is a regime that had to learn after we hit them in ’91 that anything above ground was likely to be destroyed in an air campaign. They’d gone through many years of inspections. They knew they had to hide and bury their capabilities in this region inside their civilian structure. And I think that’s what they did. And if you look—we’ll talk about the nuclear program. The judgment in the NIE was that if Saddam could acquire fissile material, weapons-grade material, that he would have a nuclear weapon within a few months to a year. That was the judgment of the intelligence community of the United States, and they had a high degree of confidence in it.

      What do we know ahead? Well, we know he had worked on the program for 20 years. We know he had technicians who knew how do this stuff because they had been working on it over that period of time. We believed, the community believed, that he had a workable design for a bomb. And we know he had 500 tons of uranium. It is there today at Tuwaitha, under seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency. All those are facts that are basically not in dispute. And since we got in there, we found—we had a gentleman come forward, for example, with full designs for a process centrifuge system to enrich uranium and the key parts that you’d need to build such a system. And we know Saddam had worked on that kind of system before. That’s physical evidence that we’ve got in hand today.

      So to suggest that there is no evidence there that he had aspirations to acquire nuclear weapon, I don’t think is valid, and I think David Kay will find more evidence as he goes forward, interviews people, as we get to folks willing to come forward now as they become more and more convinced that it’s safe to do so, that, in fact, he had a robust plan, had previously worked on it and would work on it again.

      Same on biological weapons—we believe he’d developed the capacity to go mobile with his BW production capability because, again, in reaction to what we had done to him in ’91. We had intelligence reporting before the war that there were at least seven of these mobile labs that he had gone out and acquired. We’ve, since the war, found two of them. They’re in our possession today, mobile biological facilities that can be used to produce anthrax or smallpox or whatever else you wanted to use during the course of developing the capacity for an attack.

      So on CW and chemical weapons, my guess is it’s buried inside his civilian infrastructure. That’s not an unusual place to put it. And, again, David Kay’s task is to look for the people that were involved in the program, to find documentary evidence to back it up, to find physical evidence when he can find that. It’s a hard task, but I have got great confidence that he can do this. And again, the whole notion that somehow there’s nothing to the notion that Saddam Hussein had WMD or had developed WMD, it just strikes me as fallacious. It’s not valid now. Nobody drove into Baghdad and had somebody say, “Hey, there’s the building over there where all of our WMDs stored.” But that’s not the way the system worked.

      MR. RUSSERT: There’s real debate about those labs. But I want to talk about something very specific. And that was the president’s State of the Union message when he said that the British had learned that Saddam was acquiring uranium from Africa. That was in January. In March the head of the International Energy Atomic Agency, ElBaradei, issued this statement: “A key piece of evidence linking Iraq to a nuclear weapons program appears to have been fabricated, the United Nations’ chief nuclear inspector said in a report...Documents that purportedly showed Iraqi officials shopping for uranium in Africa two years ago were deemed ‘not authentic’ after carefully scrutiny by U.N. and independent experts, Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told the U.N. Security Council. Also, ElBaradei reported finding no evidence of banned weapons or nuclear material in an extensive sweep of Iraq using advanced radiation detectors. ‘There is no indication of resumed nuclear activities,’ ElBaradei said.”

      Eight days after that, you were on MEET THE PRESS, and we...

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: Right.

      MR. RUSSERT: ...talked about that specifically. Let’s watch:

      (Videotape, March 16, 2003):

      MR. RUSSERT: And even though the International Atomic Energy Agency said he does not have a nuclear program, we disagree.

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: I disagree, yes. And you’ll find the CIA, for example, and other key parts of our intelligence community, disagree.

      And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei, frankly, is wrong. And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency and this kind of issue, especially where Iraq is concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what it was Saddam Hussein was doing. I don’t have any reason to believe they’re any more valid this time than they’ve been in the past."

      (End videotape)

      MR. RUSSERT: Reconstituted nuclear weapons. You misspoke.

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yeah. I did misspeak. I said repeatedly during the show weapons capability. We never had any evidence that he had acquired a nuclear weapon.

      MISSPOKE MY ASS. The Bush administration knew exactly what they were doing


      Cheney's interview with Russert where Iran is brought up.

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      "MR. RUSSERT: But you’ve also lost—you’ve also lost a buffer to Iran, and that’s what I’m going to come back and talk about, if I could.

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: Mm-hmm.

      MR. RUSSERT: A quick break with the vice president of the United States, Dick Cheney, right after this.


      MR. RUSSERT: More with Vice President Dick Cheney after this brief station break.


      MR. RUSSERT: And we’re back with the vice president of the United States, Dick Cheney. Let me show you what Mr. Khatami from Iran, visiting the United States, had to say and read it to you and our viewers.

      “Former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami warned that U.S. military action in the Middle East has backfired, producing greater terrorism, imperiling the future of Iraq and damaging America’s long-term interests.

      “But the danger of even great instability in the region will ultimately prevent the U.S. from launching military strikes against Iran over disputes about its nuclear intentions, he predicted. ...

      “America will not make the” same “mistake of attacking Iran. ... Iran is not Iraq.” Is he right?

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, we certainly understand Iran is not Iraq. I’m not sure I would agree with much of what else he said. Obviously, we’re concerned about what Iran is up to. We think their pursuit of enrichment capability that would allow them ultimately to produce nuclear weapons is fundamentally a problem for that part of the world. That’s a view shared by most of our friends in the international community.

      MR. RUSSERT: How do you stop them?

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, we’ve started through the process of working with the other nations involved. The EU 3, the Russians and the Chinese, we’ve got resolutions for the U.N. Security Council, a tough resolution in July, that basically calls on them to give up their nuclear aspirations. And since they have not responded affirmatively to that, we’re now in the process of negotiating with the U.N. Security Council members and part of that P5 process on a set of sanctions that could be approved by the United Nations and imposed on Iran.

      MR. RUSSERT: Will we do anything to stop the Iranians from having a nuclear bomb?

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: We have said repeatedly that we think they should not have a nuclear bomb. And we have also made it abundantly clear we want to solve the problem diplomatically. But the president has always emphasized no options have been taken off the table.

      MR. RUSSERT: Is there a problem with our country and the world if the president came forward and said, “I have intelligence which says Iran is this far advanced,” and people in the world and the people in the country say, “Is that the same intelligence that you had on Iraq, Mr. President?”

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, the—of course, much of the information that’s been available on what Iran is doing is the result of inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Inspectors have been kicked out of Iraq. Obviously, here you’ve got more access from an international body that I think most people wouldn’t question.

      MR. RUSSERT: But you rejected their intelligence leading up to Iraq.

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: Right.

      MR. RUSSERT: I asked you on this very program...

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: That’s correct.

      MR. RUSSERT: ...about ElBaradei and you said he’s wrong.

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: Yes. It wasn’t consistent with our report.

      MR. RUSSERT: But he was right about Iraq.

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: I haven’t, I haven’t looked at it. I’d have to go back and look at it again. But your point, Tim, in terms of the credibility of the reporting, there’s not much dispute within the international community—and that includes the Russians, that includes the Europeans—that in fact the Iranians are pursuing capabilities that would allow them to produce nuclear weapons.

      MR. RUSSERT: Do we have the military wherewithal to take out the Iranian program?

      VICE PRES. CHENEY: I, I don’t want to speculate on military options. It’s not wise. And Rumsfeld would probably object."

    • Israel has plenty of veto power through the U.S. At the UN Israel owns the U.S. when it comes to vetos

    • Israel needs to be required to sign the NPT, be inspected to see just what they do have. Also sign the Chemical Weapons convention Agreement.

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      (Reuters) - Israel on Saturday rejected as "flawed and hypocritical" a declaration by signatories of a global anti-nuclear arms treaty that urged it to sign the pact and make its atomic facilities subject to U.N. inspections.

      All 189 parties to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, including the United States, called on Friday in a declaration that singled out Israel for a conference in 2012 to discuss banning weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East.

      "As a non-signatory state of the NPT, Israel is not obligated by the decisions of this conference, which has no authority over Israel," the Israeli government said in an emailed statement.

      "Given the distorted nature of this resolution, Israel will not be able to take part in its implementation," it said.

      The 28-page declaration said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and key states would arrange a conference that would include all nations in the region, by implication including bitter enemies Israel and Iran.

      Israel is presumed to have a sizable nuclear arsenal but neither confirms nor denies it. It is the only Middle East state that has not signed the NPT and, like fellow non-members India and Pakistan, did not take part in the review conference."

      Israel lined up with Myanmar, Angola, Egypt, North Korea and South Sudan for nations refusing to sign the Chemical Weapons Treaty. Great company Israel is in. link to

    • Jeff talk about "grossly overestimating" Can you provide any proof that the majority of intelligence agencies agree that "they (Iran" have one (a nuclear weapons program" Can you provide any hard and reliable evidence that this is so.

      From everything I have read that is not the conclusion at all.
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      U.S. & Israeli Officials: Iran is NOT Building Nuclear Weapons

      The White House, the Pentagon, U.S. intelligence, and reportedly even Israeli intelligence and leaders of the Israeli military, as well as the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) all have reached the same conclusions about Iran's nuclear program:

      1) Iran does not have a nuclear weapon-it only has a civilian nuclear program at this point
      2) Iran is not building a nuclear weapon
      3) Iran has not made the decision of whether or not to build a nuclear weapon in the future

      "Reuters put it another way: "The United States, European allies and even Israel generally agree on three things about Iran's nuclear program: Tehran does not have a bomb, has not decided to build one, and is probably years away from having a deliverable nuclear warhead."

      Below are a sampling of quotes from U.S. and Israeli officials clarifying that while Iran's nuclear program is a source of concern, Iran is not currently pursuing nuclear weapons. See more quotes from U.S. and Israeli officials warning against an attack on Iran.

      U.S. Officials

      Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta:

      "Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No. But we know that they're trying to develop a nuclear capability. And that's what concerns us. And our red line to Iran is do not develop a nuclear weapon. That's a red line for us." 2/8/12, Face the Nation

      "I think [Iran is] developing a nuclear capability [but] our intelligence makes clear that they haven't made the decision to develop a nuclear weapon." 2/28/12, Senate Budget Committee

      Director of National Intelligence James Clapper:

      "We continue to assess Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons.[…] We continue to judge Iran's nuclear decisionmaking is guided by a cost-benefit approach, which offers the international community opportunities to influence Tehran."

      01/31/12, Unclassified Statement for the Record on the Worldwide Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

      Responding to question from Senator Lindsey Graham: "You have doubt about the Iranian's intention when it comes to making a nuclear weapon?"


      I do […] I think they're keeping themselves in a position to make that decision but there are certain things they have not yet done and have not done for some time. [...]"

      02/16/12, Senate Armed Services Committee

      Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey:

      In response to Fareed Zakaria's question, "Do you think that is still unclear, that [Iran is] moving on a path for nuclear technology, but whether or not they choose to make a nuclear weapon is unclear? Dempsey:

      "It is. I believe it is unclear, and on that basis I think it would be premature to exclusively decide that the time for a military option was upon us. I mean, I think that the economic sanctions and the international cooperation that we've been able to gather around sanctions is beginning to have an effect. I think our diplomacy is having an effect, and our preparedness."

      2/1912, CNN

    • And I don't think Matthews is left at all on the issue of Iran. I believe in fact he is to the right on this issue as so many so called "liberals" are. I am with the Leveretts (who are clearly beyond brilliant and been on the deep inside) that there is no hard proof supporting he repeated claims, that Iran has the right to enrich and nothing Iran does will appease Israel. They are gunning for Iran and they want the U.S. to do the heavy lifting and killing

    • Prof Cole cleared out the lie that was endlessly repeated by Gaffney, Kristol, McCain, Lindsay Graham, Schumer etc etc that Iran wanted to "wipe Israel off the map" That is the specific line that I referred to.

      Tell us which country is actively, publicly and aggressively going after the other. That would be Israel going after Iran and doing their best to convince the U.S. to do their bidding.

      I noticed you did not say anything about the massive hypocrisy that Israel is the nation demanding, pushing that Iran abide by the NPT. No not abide stop enriching uranium all together which is their legal right. That Israel sits on top a massive pile of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that to un checked by the International community. Is that not a huge hypocrisy in your book?

      I have read many of the letters that nations in that part of the world have written the head of the IAEA, the Un etc demanding that Israel sign the NPT and play by the same rules that they demand others abide by. Iran has pushed for a middle east nuclear free zone.

      It was Israel and the U.S. that refused to participate in a IAEA conference some years back because they knew Israel was going to get called out on this hypocrisy. Iran was coming. Israel is the aggressor in this case. Stuxnet, refuses to sign the NPT and the Chemical Weapons Convention Agreement

    • Interesting polls Jeff B. When asked about "ally" status of Iran not hard to figure out why the majority of the American public can not imagine Iran as an ally. If all day every day you have Wolf Blitzer, Ed Shultz, Scott Simon, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Diane Rehm etc being willing to strongly infer that Iran has a nuclear weapons program then what can we expect.

      Interesting the question asked about whether U.S. should back up Israel militarily if they attacked Iran 49% oppose to 49% approve.

      I keep pushing all of these outlets to talk about how Israel has not signed the NPT and sits on massive stockpiles of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that go un checked by the international community. Enough of this special status. Enough. Abide by the same rules that they want everyone else to abide by

    • Goldberg supported the Israeli manipulation as long as it stayed behind the curtain.

    • Brandeis was pulling for one team and one team only

    • Way over due not just for her but for our nation. We have more than 12 steps to take.

    • I don't agree with what many have said (have not seen any polls to support) that American Jews would support President Obama over Netanyahu. Just don't buy this. Hope someone provided a link to a poll that substantiates this claim. I have many so called "liberal" Jewish friends who have and continue to take a hard turn to the right (use military aggression) when it comes to Israel. And it is not just so called "liberal" Jews. Within months after the invasion of Iraq I heard so called "liberal" non Jews repeating the Cheney, Feith, Rumsfeld false lines about Iran. Cheney and the warmongering team (Ledeen, Hadley, Rice etc) were everywhere on the MSM talking about how Iran was a huge problem, how they wanted to "wipe Israel off the map" Remember that purposely mistranslated line was being repeated everywhere.

      When I heard a retired lefty county commissioner friend repeat the exact line "Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map" at a fund raiser that a friend in Athens and I organized for then Ohio Congressman Ted Strickland. Went a few rounds with my friends and others who joined in about how absurd this was that she was repeating the too often repeated line without substantiating such claims. Now that was in 2003. Since that point false claims about Iran have been repeated on Rachel Maddows, Chris Matthews, lots on NPR's Diane Rehm, Scott Simon etc. Hell I have heard both Diane and Scott repeat these claims themselves.

      Now things have gotten a bit better only because of sites like Informed Comment, Going to Tehran, Mondoweiss, Democracy Now etc etc. Where real discussions about just what the facts are...that we know. The fact sharing has not happened on Chris Matthews etc up until more recently. Even then Chris Matthews (on Wednesday) evening continue to feel the need to infer that Iran has a nuclear weapons plan. Which has never been proven.

      We have yet to see Matthews and most other so called liberal talking heads really try to inform the public by doing programs on the NPT who signed who has not...Israel. We have yet to witness Matthews, Al Sharpton, CNN, Diane Rehm really try to inform the public based on hard cold facts from the IAEA, Leveretts etc. People are still pushing them to expand the public's awareness instead of having pre approved guest (contributors really inhibitors to real fact based conversations about Iran). Still time.

      I monitor shifts in awareness, attitude by callers into C-span's Washington Journal. Over the last 7 or so years the calls into open phones etc have shifted dramatically about the middle east, the I/P conflict. Callers are far more aware and fact based, They are not buying the Iran has a nuclear weapons program, Iran "wants to wipe Israel off the map" fueled misrepresentations that Cheney,, Wolfowitz etc so carefully cultivated as easily as they once did.

    • Agree. Reach for the sane path. The insane path has become far too common in this conflict and in the middle east in general. Millions have died, been injured and displaced over the last several decades due to U.S. and Israeli meddling. Sanctions, invasions, support for rebels that no one really knows who they are.

    • Chris Matthews opens Hardball tonight (Wed) with a segment about the Netanyahu/Boehner debacle. Guest David Corn and Eugene Robinson discuss the issue. Chris Matthews must have repeated four times that no American President can accept a "nuclear" weapons Iran. David Corn corrected Matthew saying that there is no real evidence that Iran is headed towards a nuclear weapon. That they have a nuclear program. Not one of the guest discussed that Iran as a signatory to the NPT has the legal right to enrich for peaceful purposes. That Israel has a stockpile of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that go unchecked by the international community. Not a whisper that Israel refuses to sign the NPT. Chris Matthews kept covering his ass by repeating the no American Pres can allow a nuclear Iran. What a wienie. When will CM have the Leveretts on to discuss this issue in depth instead of the safe and approved MSNBC contributors. Eugene Robinson made sure he repeated the pledge of allegiance to Israel that seems to be required of all big shot MSM talking heads "Israel has will always be one of our closest allies" When are they going to stop repeating this line?

      They pounded Aipac publicly. But what they did not say is that Aipac has been pushing this attack Iran agenda for over a decade. Along with Jinsa

    • Not much that I am aware of out of Freeman in awhile. Feith and team must have dug up something dark and ugly to keep him so quiet. Although Freeman's tongue lashing of the I lobbies was so thorough and delightful after they did everything to take Freeman down. It would be hard to top what he has all ready said

      Hope folks keep contacting Reps all month. Keep banging on their emails, doors, FB pages etc all month. Bang away at the MSM too. Do not let them get away with ignoring Israel's prints all over this one

    • Annie (below) I asked the same question about Hop's statement that Perle was the main architect of "Securing the Realm" From what I have read Perle, Feith, Wurmsers. Hop do you have a link directing us to where you have read this about Perle being the main creator of "Securing the Realm"

  • Former Obama aide's thinktank calls for 1/4 of French Jews to move to Israel
    • Stephen Walt (co-author of the book "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy") wrote the following about Dennis Ross.

      "Ross has been advising presidents ever since the first Bush administration and played a central role in both the Clinton and Obama administration, and his stewardship of the "peace process" has led exactly nowhere. In what other line of work could someone fail consistently for two decades and still have a job?"

      Source: link to

    • Ross has been in the workings for a very long time. Making sure in many ways a real deal was never going to happen giving Israel more time to confiscate more land. Ross clearly showing that he is a racist working for one of the first apartheid arms of the apartheid state of Israel a off shoot of the racist Jewish Agency. Ross has never ever been a fair player

  • Tell your congressperson: Don't attend Netanyahu's speech
    • Yonah sure drug folks down the rabbit hole. He focuses on the use of "atrocity" then later starts making claims about Iran having a nuclear bomb which there is no proof of. He makes outrageous claims which is the standard and now accepted method of those ultimately pushing for a military confrontation with Iran. Of course he never gets near the truth that Israel has nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that go un inspected by the international community. That Israel has and continues to refuse to sign the NPT. That Israel's nukes and other chemical and biological weapons are a continuous threat to peace in the middle east. That leaders in that region have written to heads of the IAEA begging for more pressure on Israel based on their stockpiles and threat to the region. He never gets near the fact that Iran has pushed for a Middle East Nuclear Free Zone. That Former President Jimmy Carter, Norman Finkelstein and others have indicated that they think Israel would use their nuclear weapons on the region if they felt so inclined. That Israel also continues to refuse to sign the Chemical Weapons Convention Treaty.

      Hope folks find their way out of Yonah's rabbit hole and contact their Reps asking as Phil has suggested to refrain from attending Netanyahu's propoganda speech and also vote against more sanctions. Clearly President Obama, VP Biden, Secretary of State Kerry have all taken stands against more sanctions against Iran. All members of the P5+1 have done so. U.K's David Cameron has been contacting Reps asking them not to undermine negotiations with Iran with a vote for more sanctions. Even the often warmongering HIllary Clinton has said more sanctions against Iran are a bad idea.

      Contact your Reps. Encourage others to do the same. Share Phil's piece about this issue with others!

    • Great idea Phil. Will do. Have called but will call again. Folks should also be clear with the aides they talk with. Iran has the legal right to enrich up to 20% for peaceful purposes as legal signatories to the NPT. Mention Israel has refused to sign the NPT and continues to refuse to sign. Bring this hypocrisy. Let them know you do not want Israel to drag the U.S. into another confrontation based on unsubstantiated claims. Explain why you do not want your Reps to attend and to vote no on any new sanctions.

  • In Iraq and Syria the US sanctions its allies while its friends back its enemies (got that?)
    • I do believe it is a confluence of the interest of oil, neo, theo cons. Read most of the 9/11 report which states that terrorist who have blown themselves up as they try to kill others have left tapes behind where they speak to US support for Israel no matter what they do, our military bases on their land to protect our access to their resources and US support for dictators in the world. Former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit Micheal Scheuer, former head of the IAEA's inspections in Iraq during the 90's (Clinton in) has stated this along with Dr. Zbig, Carter, many other CIA analyst etc.

      Remember in Iraq one of the first things the US did was replace General Garner with Paul Bremmer who immediately disbanded the Iraqi army and began privatizing the nationalized oil fields in Iraq. Oil is huge along with Israel's agenda

      The Leveretts at Going to Tehran were both middle east analyst. Flynt had worked for the CIA. Hillary has negotiated with Iran directly. A great deal of material at the New America Foundation having to do with Leverett's work. Charlie Rose did a great interview with them. They used to make in on NPR a fair longer it's almost as if they have been banned by some outlets since they have taken such a strong stance on diplomacy with Iran.

      Melissa Harris Perry had Hillary Mann Leverett on four times this summer to discuss the middle east. A real breakthrough because the other so called liberal host on MSNBC Rachel, Al Sharpton, etc etc have not had the Leveretts on. Melissa Harris Perry making the break throughs with her guest line up. .

    • Well that would be great. However our addiction to foreign oil (look at the interstates etc..complete madness), hegemony (military bases protecting access etc) and backing of Israel no matter what they do keeps us deeply entrenched. You would really like the website GOING TO TEHRAN...I believe if you do not all ready go there.

      Also former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit Michael Scheuer's website NON INTERVENTION. He is a bit extreme for me on some issues. However he is not into US interventions and has a look from the inside of the intelligence structure that is fascinating. Bin Laden recommended his books if you want to understand what is going on. Bill Maher did an interview with Scheuer that was enlightening. Scheuer made several comments about Israel that clearly pissed Maher off. You know that so called "liberal" Maher who is a Israel firster no matter what Israel does.

    • Ok we know the U.S. congress (Nancy Pelosi "impeachment is off the table") was not willing to hold the war criminals in the Bush administration accountable (possibly because Pelosi and her ilk would be called into question too). And clearly the majority of American people are fast asleep about how many people in that part of the world they are responsible for being killed, injured and displaced or just do not give a rats ass (which of course is even more dangerous thinking)

      However why the international community has not moved in the direction of at least threatening to pull Cheney, Libby, Feith, Bush, Rice, Hadley, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and their warmongering team in front of the ICC is very sad indeed. I know it is clearly unlikely that they could go anywhere but at least give us some hope by going through some superficial motions.

    • Unless their agenda was chaos and death and destruction in the middle east. More room for private contractors, multinationals to move in etc. Many of the neo cons are students of the Leo Strauss/Podheretz "noble lie".."creative destruction" group. They don't care how many innocent people are left dead, injured or displaced in the path of this agenda.

      I started really considering this possible agenda when Shensiki said to really to do the job of keeping peace in Iraq 200,000 soldiers needed to be sent in. Then when Bremmer went in and replaced Garner (who wanted to maintain the Iraqi army) and disbanded the Iraq army creating more chaos and death, privatizing Iraq's oil industry and other nationalized businesses. One had to wonder seriously about just what the agenda was. The documentary "Iraq For Sale" and "No End in Sight" confirmed some of this thinking. Along with getting reports from CPT member Peggy Gish who was in Iraq before invasion and cumulatively for years after. She reported early on that the Iraqi people believed that the U.S. did not want peace and security in Iraq....Chaos, death and destruction is what they wanted. Sort of a Sabra and Shatilla. Surround the area with just enough security to allow the Shiites, Sunnis to destroy one another in many ways.

      When you read the agenda of PNAC and the Securing the Realm document one has to wonder about if that is indeed the agenda. Iraq, Syria, Iran all on the hit list.

    • On Syria the Leveretts ( I totally trust these two) over at their most amazing website Going To Tehran said three years ago that the U.S. etc should take the power sharing deal that Assad was offering over three years ago. Hundreds of thousands of people would be alive today if that were the case.

      When you take the time to read the Project for a New American Century letters, plans as well as the document drawn up for Netanyahu by Feith, Wurmsers, Perle called " Securing the Realm" one can see that Syria has been on Israel's hit list for a long time. Israel surely does not want to give back the Golan Heights the land that belongs to Syria.

      Israel and the I lobbies plan for a "Greater Israel" has wreaked havoc in the middle east. That plan clearly converged with the multinational oil thugs and fanatic Christian groups. This looks like a planned chaos has sure unleashed every fanatical Muslim group on the neighborhood. A horrific situation for the people in the region.

  • Obama won't meet Netanyahu during 'bizarre,' 'historic,' 'unprecedented' visit (Updated)
    • Thanks for that below Just. I know this has been discussed before but I still do not get why you can reply to some comments and not to others just below the comment?

    • McArthur a far cry from the leader of a foreign nation that continues to repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran, continues to collect the largest sums of any other foreign nation, and a leader of a country that continues to build illegal housing in E Jerusalem and illegal settlements in the illegally occupied West Bank. A leader of a country that continues to undermine U.S. National Security and ultimately their own. McArthur/ does that go like comparing "apples to oranges"

    • I think I must have just watched Saturday's. Did not see the segment Scahill was on. Wondering if people have seen any more coverage of the dangerous move Boehner just made (of course promoted by Netanyahu.) Will the MSM just drop this ball? Israel's and the I lobbies foot print are clearly there to follow..pushing the U.S. to further escalate the negatives with Iran. Can it be any more evident? Anyone hear anything on any of the MSM outlets mention Israel trumping Obama? I mean one thing to kick Obama, Biden, Kerry in the cajones when they have been in Israel quite another just to come right here and kick them again.

      Thank goodness Kerry at the very least called him out a bit on this despicable move.

      Again anyone hear any of the MSM outlets discuss this serious issue? Are they dropping the ball again

    • Just watched my new favorite Melissa Harris Perry since she has been on along with Chris Hayes when he was the host of UP) mainstreamer. Just watched her Saturday program. Not caught up with Sunday yet. But so far nothing about how Boehner and Netanyahu moving the US closer to a confrontation with Iran by pushing more sanctions. Will the MSM focus on this issue in a big way? Anyone see and hear any coverage about this issue on Meet The Press etc. Are they going to follow the war pushers tracks or not? Israel is leaving their fingerprints all over this run up. Not going to be able to erase their public

      Melissa hit the ball out of the park on domestic class issues. Out of the park. She is remarkable

    • Bet MSNBC has it stacked up for either Saturday or Sunday on this issue. Betting that she will have Hillary mann Leverett back on once again to tell us like it is about Israel trying to push for more sanctions and ultimately the US getting into a military confrontation with Iran. I await with baited breath for Melissa to dig into this latest by Boner and Bibi.

    • Huff Po has gone back and forth with what they will and will not allow through over there. They are on the up and up the last few years. For a long time they would not allow links to even UN reports about Israel's crimes etc. Depended I believe on moderators those in control. A real shift has taken place and yes far more awareness of the facts on the ground.

    • Ok tonight (Thursday) Chris Matthews went out of his comfort$$ zone a bit more about this issue. Brought up how Israel kicked Biden (a staunch supporter of Israel for decades) in the cajones when he was over there for a visit and they announced new expansion of illegal settlements. Matthews mentions how underhanded this move of Boehner's is. However he has Richard Haas (safe supporter of Israel no matter what they do) on as a guest to talk about the issue. Haas has nothing to say about Matthews points...just goes onto beat the unsubstantiated claims about Iran...Haas needs to register as a foreign agent for Israel.

      Chris Matthews refuses to have the Leveretts on to talk about this critical issue. Chicken shit to really go out on the limb and have far more educated people on about this issue instead of the agents MSNBC have approved.

    • Just looked up my last phone call about the Iran issue into national radio program ON POINT on Jan 3 2015, The show title "A year in the News: Isis, Midterm politics, and the year to come" I make my comment about what I would like to see for this upcoming year at 35:50-36:50. Kathleen Dayton Ohio. Two of the guest refer to my comment in the last 8 or so minutes of the show. Jack Beaty the news analyst for ON POINT confirms that he is with me on his wishes for the new year at the end of the show. "I'm with Kathleen" We do not need another preventive war.

      Ex Pat for it. Everyone else too. Use the media to get your views and information about this critical issue out in the public sphere. Bring folks to Mondoweiss too!

    • You can also call into the Ed Schultz radio show (number at his website) this one takes awhile to get through but worth it. Also NPR's Kogo Nnamdi (number at website). Sure there are more outlets but those are the ones I have gotten through on. Also the program ON POINT. Just got through at that show recently on the Iran issue.

    • Once again Chris Matthews demonstrates what a yellow bellied suck up coward he is on this issue. Hardball....wrong. A limp response. Tells you exactly what Chris is ultimately about his job$$$$$$. What a chicken shit

      The only MSNBC host who have and I am sure will continue to go out on a limb on this issue are Melissa Harris Perry, Chris Hayes, Joy Reid, Farrow a bit...and that is it. Al Sharpton, Ed, Chris, Cycle folks, Chris, Lawrence O'Donnell all conform.

    • Call, email reps... if they have staff in your area ask for a meeting with them. Come back to Mondoweiss and let folks publicly know what your Reps are saying about their stance. Make it public.

      This issue is sure making obvious how Dems have been controlled by this arm (Israeli lobby) of our foreign policy. The dividing lines are being drawn publicly.

    • Of course you can contact President Obama at the White House..(google). Call into Cspan's Washington Journal during open phone segment or a segment that has to do with this issue. All numbers at their website. Call, email, facebook into the Diane Rehm show during their show tomorrow (Friday) during their international segment. Phone number 1-800-433-8850. Practice what you are going to say. Get a piece of information out to the public (say about the discussions here at Mondoweiss, or ask why so called hard ball media host like Chris Matthews play softball when it comes to this issue) Ask why the majority of our media host are such chicken shits (of course you can not say this) when it comes to the seriousness of this issue. Write to the New York Times, etc and share your opinion from abroad. Another idea is ask why Israel owns our congress, why Israel refuses to sign the IAEA non proliferation treaty and the Chemical Weapons convention treaty while Iran did long ago. How absurd it is that the very nation who refuses to play by the rules that others (Iran) are abiding by and this very nation of Israel is pushing us towards another military conflict.

      Go get them. Bet you have plenty of your own ideas for what you want to say. Be polite and clear. Go for it

    • Making it so completely public just who owns our congress on this issue...Israel Israel Israel

    • Huff Po has a piece up about Obama saying he will not meet with Netanyahu when he comes. Obama needs to hear from all of us. Let him know you support his stance. Finally staying firm on this issue

    • Obama is publicly flipping the bird at Israel and continuing to sustain that stance. Netanyahu and Israel have brought this upon themselves. Boehner is now officially part of the Iran war team, Sealed the deal by doing this

    • If the U.S. is drug into another military confrontation..this time with Iran there will be no doubt just who pressured the U.S. to do so. Israel and the Israeli lobbies in this country have their fingerprints all over this one. And now Boehner's too. There will be no doubts as to who to point at and lay bloody blame.

      Hopefully Code Pink, Jewish Voice for Peace, the NIAC and all other concerned groups and citizens will be in D.C. for protest when Netanyahu speaks. Letting the world know just who is in charge of our congress and U.S. foreign policy with Iran

      Folks should flood their Reps offices with messages of NO NEW SANCTIONS WITH IRAN. Document their contacts and what their Reps stands are on this critical issue

  • Congress invites Netanyahu to rebut Obama on Iran, and White House slams 'breach of protocol'
    • Hoping Jewish Voice for Peace, Code Pink etc etc combine their efforts on this one. Protest Netanyahu pushing for another unnecessary war. Protest Boehner and war mongering teams efforts to go along with Israel's agenda.

    • Detestable move by Boehner and crew. Sounds like Boehner and team are gunning for another war with Netanyahu and the bloody I lobby breathing down their necks. I used to periodically stick up for Boehner thinking he was totally subject to the manipulations of the tea baggers. However this demonstrates he is really under the influence of demonic influences.

      Can be sure Medea and Code Pink will put something special together for Boehner and Netanyahu when he comes to visit. These guys want another war.

      Most insane thing is Iran signed the NPT long ago, has the legal right to enrich uranium up to 20% for peaceful purposes and Israel has and continues to refuse to sign the NPT and the Chemical Weapons Convention Treaty. How can this get any more absurd. Disgusting

      Folks should turn up the heat on their them often over the next month. NO NEW SANCTIONS ON IRAN. Turn up the heat and spotlight

  • The ‘hasbara’ tweeps who brought down Jim Clancy, and their ties to Israel and the Israel lobby
    • Who makes these decisions at CNN? Now there is a news story that CNN will not cover. Wonder if Melissa Harris Perry or some other host would pick up this story.

      Clancy can get a better paying job at Al Jazeera.

  • There is no pride for Jews in the state of Israel
    • Daniel place to reply below your comment. Such an odd set up. Best line in whole thread "You're like that night nurse who woke me up in the middle of the night to say "Daniel you forgot your sleeping pill!" Classic. Have witnessed this in hospitals over and over again.

    • Prof Cole has more insights in one paragraph than others have in their entire lives

    • Mooser what do you think about Scott's piece?

    • The racism that exist within the state of Israel in fact systematically embedded into their very structure and within others indoctrinated with the "chosen people" myth is being exposed and examined. A good thing.

    • Thanks for your direct witnessing

    • Soon after 9/11 then SenatorJoe Liebermann made sure that Jewish groups were given the larger part of Homeland Security funds for some of those real and "imagined" threats.

    • Mass racism being exposed

    • So what does Mooser think of the article? He never responded. And what would Sean be apologizing for as Philemon suggest below?

      I know others have brought this up but why is it that one is unable to reply just below the individual's comment?

    • Totally agree with you and Scott. All so well said and felt.

  • Obama cites donor pressure re Iran, but 'NYT' won't tell you what he means
    • Obama is doing his part hope we all do ours. Contact your Reps over and over again. No new sanctions on Iran!

  • 'Protest in the form of a prayer': Dream Defenders demonstration in Nazareth makes connections from Ferguson to Palestine
    • "you say black Americans are being plunged into darkness about the struggle, and yet you say it is healthy" Not sure who you are saying this to? Did not say anything of the kind. When any oppressed people are able to develop enough empathy to look at other people's struggle and finally see the similarities this is movement forward for all. Blacks being involved with the Palestinian solidarity movement is a relatively new development and an incredibly welcome one.

    • "power of presence" The words, the poetry, the singing, the movement, the bravery...powerful and oh so moving. Thank you dream defenders and thank you Annie for bringing this to our attention. Ultimately the same struggle at the core.

    • It has been so incredible to watch light bulbs go off in black America about the decades long struggle for the Palestinians and the similarities of this struggle to apartheid in South Africa and to the struggles African Americans have dealt with for several centuries. Drawing parallels..healthy This has been a long time coming and is happening

  • Sadness and anger as 4 Jewish victims of Paris attack are buried in Jerusalem
    • Offer to memorialize then asked to pay. A PR opportunity...

    • Just so telling that these same Jewish mourners could not feel the same empathy and compassion towards the several thousand Palestinians that their military slaughtered this past summer. A real problem when you can not extend that kind of empathy towards non Jews. Actually pathetic. And bless the souls of the four memoralized.

      How many Palestinian families had the opportunity to memorialize their family members slaughtered by the Israeli military....500 children

  • Israeli education minister calls refuseniks 'radical element of reality,' but they're in the 'NYT'
  • Coalition of more than 40 NYC community groups calls on City Council to cancel delegation to Israel
    • This is wonderful... More awareness..action

      Did not see anything in the piece in regard to who is paying or how these trips are being paid for? One would think there would be by laws or standards that these officials have to abide by. Seems like they would be breaking some laws here.

  • Netanyahu crashes Paris unity march, French gov't fumes
  • 'With God’s help, the journalists at Haaretz will be murdered just like in France': Death threats follow publication of cartoon in Israeli newspaper
    • Incredible program on MSNBC's Melissa Harris Perry's about Paris killings. A wide perspective. Incredible guest

  • The moral hysteria of Je suis charlie
    • One big problem with this type of "self righteous moral passion" appears to only apply to the French by the French. Limited "moral passion" Unless the MSM in France etc did not cover the protest in France before the invasion of Iraq (and we know this did happen around the world). When people show similar outrage about Muslims being killed or killed by an unnecessary invasion of their country by the U.S./U.K etc then we will have come a long way. When your "moral outrage" is limited to those in your bubble can be a real problem

      Great piece Brian "He would have been lucky to get away with his life."

      MSNBC's Melissa Harris Perry has done a remarkable job at widening the scope and understanding of the killings in Paris on her program. Worth watching at her website at MSNBC. Well worth it. She is always great at widening the public's perspective on important issues

  • Don't let's go to the war of civilizations again
    • You knocked it out of the park with this one Mr. Weiss. Thanks for reminding us all to reflect on our own knee jerk reactions. Thanks for reminding me about Justin Raimando used to go read at weekly especially what Justin was writing about. He was so spot on before the invasion of Iraq and many other issues.

      Do think you will be interested in MSNBC's Melissa Harris Perry's panel discussion of the Paris killing. Lots of similarities between what you have said and her program about the topic.

  • Jo Roberts on Jewish trauma, the Nakba, and the olive tree
    • Thanks for that. Every time I look at the map the small portion of the coast allotted to the Palestinians is clearly unfair. So when the UN divided the land they just went with what Jews had declared as their coast line?

    • The main prerequisite is for Israeli's to recognize and sincerely apologize for the Nakba. Halt the apartheid methods. This is not going to happen without international pressure. Not going to happen...due to what I believe is a learned ethno-centric narrative embedded in Jewish culture (and others) and extremely embedded in Israel's leaders. A fair and just solution is only going to happen through serious and sustained international pressure.

    • Collective Jewish trauma is clearly based on horrific facts. However the recognition of that trauma, putting Nazi's on trial for brutally causing the majority of that trauma was, is a part of the healing that can potentially take place. This has not happened to those who knowingly killed Palestinians, stole their land, destroyed their agricultural base, imprisoned and torture those who stand up to these crimes committed....and these crimes are still being committed today.

      Palestinians are not in control of an apartheid state...Israeli's are. And the U.S. congress supports that apartheid state

    • Palestinian trauma has been there for decades finally a growing number of Jews are willing to recognize. Been a long time coming.

    • This is a description of an apartheid state..Jo just refuses to call it what it is.

    • "ethnic cleansing by the founding fathers"

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