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Kathleen

57 year old mother of three, activist, concerned citizen

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  • It's time for American Jews to recognize they have been duped
  • Hundreds of Israelis join protest to save Bedouin village on brink of demolition
    • thanks Allison. Movement.

      "Area C" Israel's designation of Palestinian land. Trying to sterilize theft.

  • 'If we don't take out Iran,' it will reenact the Holocaust in US and Israel -- Steven Emerson to Times Square rally
    • Pressure on. Phil the article says "thousands" attended. Any idea the size of protest. 2 thousand...10 thousand. We are going to watch millions of Kill the deal commercials on our MSM outlets. All of us need to do our best contacting Reps, media outlets etc in support of the deal. Encouraging others to do so.

      60 senior US national security, military, diplomatic leaders support Iran nuclear deal
      By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press

      WASHINGTON (AP) — Sixty national security leaders, ambassadors, military leaders and former Cabinet secretaries have signed a letter supporting the nuclear deal with Iran.

      The bipartisan group of signatories includes former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, former national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZBIG'-nyef breh-ZHIN'-skee) and Brent Scowcroft and former Sens. Nancy Landon Kassebaum, Tom Daschle (DASH'-uhl) and Carl Levin.

      Also signing the letter released on Monday are former defense official Michele Flournoy and Thomas Pickering. He's the former ambassador to Israel, Russia, India and the United Nations.

      The U.S. and five other world powers reached agreement last week with Iran to curb its nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.

      The letter says that without the agreement, the risks to the security of the U.S. and its allies would be far greater.

      Copyright 2015 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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      Ex-Intel Chief: Iran Deal Good for Israel

      Yes, it’s true: If Obama can toughen the penalties for cheating and pivot to confronting Iran’s support for terrorism, he will enhance Israel’s security.

      Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu believes the Iran nuclear deal is a “stunning historical mistake.” Meanwhile, Israel’s opposition Labor Party, Republicans here at home, and much of the American Jewish community are joining him in denouncing the agreement signed last week.

      But many former senior intelligence and national security officials in Israel disagree. While they think the deal is flawed and that Netanyahu deserves credit for raising the alarm on Iran years ago, they also believe that the historic agreement is—on balance—in the national security interest of the State of Israel.

      I spoke recently with Ami Ayalon, a former head of Shin Bet, the Israeli internal security service, and a former chief of the Israeli Navy. Even as he explained that the issue “is not black and white,” he reeled off a list of former defense ministers and chiefs of Shin Bet and Mossad who agree with him that “when it comes to Iran's nuclear capability, this [deal] is the best option.”

  • Israelis destroyed 3778 trees and 30 wells in occupied Hebron district last year-- Abdulhadi Hantash's report
    • Susie thank you for sharing his report and for your input and work for peace and justice. Sharing your piece

  • Scenes from a Sanders presidency
    • I agree with all of your points up to "I'll bet my last dollar these people are acutely aware of the passionate defense by BS of the last massacre in Gaza and his years of pro war and pro Zionist voting record." I would take that bet.
      I also wonder if the protestors were completely unaware of Sanders involvement with civil rights issues? Why should that be ignored and dismissed even though he has not extended those human rights standards to the Palestinians situation? Inconsistent and pathetic however he has a record of civil rights involvement and votes for civil rights in this country.

      Just as more Jews have become involved with the Palestinian solidarity movement over the last 10 years I know that is the case for African American involvement too. However before that many blacks seemed unaware and not very concerned about the oppression and human rights abuses taking place for the Palestinians at the Israeli government and illegal Israeli settlers hands. Ok get it people are often dealing with their own oppressive environments. However the inability to apply the injustice in your own circumstance to others is always alarming to me.

      Granted their has been growth in the African American community focused on the crimes committed against Palestinians over the last 5-10 years. However this welcome shift is part of the "better late than never crowd"

      I would not assume those individuals who were allowed to take over that stage (would Netroots organizers allow Palestinian solidarity activist to do the same during a Netroots foreign policy panel necessarily know about the I/P issue? I doubt it very much. Last time I checked Netroots has still not set up a separate panel just focused on the I/P issue and U.s. Taxpayers money that fund Israel's illegal occupation.

    • Do wonder if the protestors that were allowed to take over the stage had any idea about Sanders civil rights work and voting history? Seemed like these protestors were "tone deaf" on his history.

      Know the Black LIves Matter issues are critically important. However being "tone deaf" is not always a one way street

  • Democrats are 'uncomfortable' with Iran deal because Netanyahu is so 'influential in our country' -- Rep. Ellison
    • Thanks Phil. Attended two Netroots conferences. Followed their panel discussions over the years. They were not willing to touch the Israel Palestine conflict for at least the first six years. Even when asked to do so. Has that changed?

      Just went to their home page. The panel "Netroots Nation stands in solidarity with all people seeking human rights" Really? Palestinians?

      So will Netroots Nation organizers allow Palestinian solidarity activist to take over a foreign policy panel next year? Would they have allowed a takeover this year by Palestinian solidarity activist?

      Has Netroots organizers unwillingness to focus on the I/P conflict changed? For years they completely avoided this critical issue.

  • Walker and Bush talk tough on Iran in bid for Adelson's millions
    • "My guess is on foreign policy, Trump quite not the scariest candidate. " One of MHP's insightful points. MHP rocks the MSM house.

    • MSNBC Melissa Harris Perry did a great segment on Trump may not be the scariest Republican candidate. She focused on "we see you Governor Walker" I think it was on her program where she referred to Adelson and Walker working together.

      Kasich could really more to the front of the pack in the media and get on the Republican stage if he were to read the whole report and come out saying he supports the deal. Sparks would fly.

      60 senior US national security leaders support Iran deal ...

      link to usnews.com.

  • Press can't justify red carpet for Oren tract and blackout for Blumenthal's 'definitive account' of Gaza
    • Pletka was a major pusher of the Iraq war. Repeated lies about Iraq all over the place. She is now second in line at the America Enterprise Institute. The views expressed by all four panelist were not far from one another. Real wide spectrum Chuck Todd. Todd leaves a great deal to be desired. Pathetically narrow views presented. Same old same old

    • Anyone catch the panel Chuck Todd put together on Meet The Press to talk about the Iran deal. Tom Friedman give basically what he paints as a bad deal "a chance" to bomb bomb Iran AEI VP Danillle Pletka, protect Israel through her spin Andrea Mitchell and Iran is a "bad actor" Bill Richardson. What a pathetic effort to allegedly provide the American public with a wider scope on the Iran deal based on the facts.

      When will Chuck Todd get out of his box and have the Leveretts on (Going to Tehran) former weapons inspector Scott Ritter, other players who put the deal together on his program. Enough of the pro Israel crowd no matter what Israel does crowd.

      Educate the American public based on facts not pro Israel pundits spin.

    • Can't wait to read. Max is a no nonsense, deeply researched and documented writer and reporter.

      Great points about how media outlets have "blocked" his efforts to bring the facts to the American public and world.

      Will be linking sharing this piece about Max's latest where ever I can. Here is hoping others do the same

      The after math of the massacre of Palestinians in the Gaza grew cold in the MSM after they for the first time actually covered one of Israel's many war crimes last summer.

  • Let's help the 'NYT' get an interview with Netanyahu
    • James "Is she going to stun him with a question no one else has thought of?" Of had the nerve and integrity to ask him. You know a question based on hard cold facts? The kind that AP Matt Lee has and continues to ask about the conflict.

      Meet The Press host Chuck Todd sure put a diverse group of pundits to address the deal with Iran on his Sunday program. (cough). Andrea Mitchell, Thomas Friedmann, Pletka (forget the 4th person). Those opinions ranged from far right wing to moderate right wing.

      Not one nuclear expert on that panel. Not one middle east expert who has worked in several administrations and negotiator with Iran like HIllary Mann Leverett. Not on nuclear weapons expert like former head of the Iraq inspections Scott Ritter.

      Just the same old same old...tired opinions.

      No one on MSM outlets that I am hearing talking about the possibility that this deal could "pave the way" to a nuclear weapons free zone in the middle east. You know the idea that Iran has been talking about for several decades. Or the possibility that Israel, Pakistan and India might be pressured more to sign the NPT that Iran signed over many decades ago.

  • ICC rules prosecutor to reconsider 'Mavi Marmara' investigation
    • Unable to find the Keith Olbermann/Ambassador Peck interview after the Mavi Marmara massacre. Unavailable on you tube now. One link leads to Firedoglake and says interview unavailable.

    • Thanks had not seen this one.

    • Some MSM outlets had Colonel Ann Wright and I believe a former Ambassador who was on the trip soon after the massacre. Was Peck his last name? However not a mention of the UN report about the massacre on any outlets I listen to or watch. I try to go right, left and center. Have even listened to Rush while driving across the country. Painful. Have made it through the screeners by kissing up. And then politely slammed Limbaugh. They cut you off quickly

    • Thanks Annie. Read most of the UN report when it came out. When you read the description of the killings no way in hell that this could not be considered a "massacre" of human rights activist. Many of the victims were shot in the back of the head. Some at close range. Bone chilling when you read

  • Nine reasons Obama is going to win on Iran. The first: Netanyahu
    • Dr. Zbig Brzezinski gave BB a sophisticated pounding on Morning Joe this week. Dr. Zbig "he is not a very serious person? Said that twice about BB.

    • "“The Israel/AIPAC war on Iran accord is unwinnable and its aims are unachievable"

      Israel and the I lobby demanded that Iran drop their nuclear program all together. Of course those in the MSM never bring up that as a signatory to the NPT Iran has the legal right to enrich up to 20% for peaceful purposes. That they have given up a great deal by lowering enrichment down to 4% I believe.

      Not one talking head ever points out how absurd it is that one of the very nations (Israel) who "cheated" their way to nuclear weapons is demanding that Iran a signatory to the NPT stop their nuclear program all together.

    • The Leverett's are always pointing out how "democracy" based on alleged U.S. standards do not apply in Iran etc.

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    • Thanks for the link. So tired of the Israel is our "best friend" label being repeated over and over again. Not sure about others but I avoid individuals who are willing to stab you in the back to move their own agenda forward. Oh and then ask you to partially pay for the destructive agenda. Illegal settlements etc

    • Phil "we are seeing Obama in full, and he is becoming a great leader." Totally disagree with the "becoming" Can you say Affordable Health Care getting through. While he did have the wind at his back from decades of efforts by congress folks, Hillary Clinton lay folks working their asses off to stack the congress in 2006 with even blue dog Dems to get the health care vote moving on its path etc Obama and team (Pelosi who I can't stand for taking impeachment "off the table" pushed the health care deal through. Only going to move forward if another Dem gets in. Single payer millions of us hope to eventually witness.

      Senator Bernie Sanders knocked it out of the park last night in Iowa. Knocked it out of the park. Love that man except for his get in line votes for Israel no matter what they do over the years. However he has stood firm in his support for the Iran deal. Will the MSM really cover his speech as well as they should? I felt bad for Chaffee he is terrible at speeches. I would have hammered Hillary on her Iraq vote. Can't stand when speakers (at the dinner in Iowa last night) pundits always describe Hillary as a defender of "human rights." Talk to the injured and displaced folks in Iraq and the family members of those dead in Iraq? Talk with the family members of U.S. soldiers who were killed in Iraq. Those injured...50,ooo or more. Ask them if they think Hillary Clinton should be given a slap on the back for "human rights" votes. Find this over board flattery of Clinton disgusting.

    • Where was this Les? Who?

    • Phil let's hope, pray that your reading of the signals comes to be.. We all need to keep pushing hard for the deal . Bet you will be making an appointment with Schumer to push for the deal with other individuals in support. Town hall with Schumer?

      MSNBC Kornacki interviewed him about the deal. On this morning (Saturday) Full interview at Kornacki's site. Many keep referencing Schumer as the "lynchpin" vote. Schumer said he had not read the deal yet. Too busy this week with other important issues. Schumer said that he will sit in his comfy chair and read the report this weekend. That he will do what is "good for America" and "good for Israel." He said once again that he will go through the report with a "fine tooth comb." Of course many of us fear that that comb belongs to BB. Schumer's vote s in regard to anything having to do with Israel always support Israel, I lobby no matter what.

      Phil "if you are going to test us on dual loyalty, we are going to pull out our American flags" Although as you have pointed out now that the support for what Israel wants that Dem's and Republicans have almost always voted for over many decades has been under a magnifying glass the last few years. So many us believe this deal is constructive for U.S. Iran relations, the rest of the world and for Israel.

      Curious to hear what you think Israel will negotiate for the deal?

      On the other hand over the next 2 months we are going witness the heavy hand of the I lobby pounding the public with misleading commercials etc about the deal.

      A reporter on Kornacki's this morning said "The White House has its work cut out for them" You can say that again and again. What I keep wondering and posting on MSM outlets is will mainstream outlets do everything they can do to provide the American public with accurate facts about the deal and have guest on (Leveretts, Scott Ritter etc) who really understand the deal?

      Huge misperceptions have all ready been embedded by the warmongers over the last 12 years in the non thought processes of the American public about Iran. That they should give up their nuclear program all together. Not one pundit, reporters on any of the outlets I watch (Cnn, MSNBC sometimes Fox) or in any NYBloody Times etc start by saying that Iran has the legal right to enrich up to 20% for peaceful purposes. That they have given up a great deal (Dr. Zbig did point this out on Morning Joe this past week)

      Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Dermer kept repeating on Morning Joe that this deal "would pave Iran's path to a nuclear weapon." No one talking about the possibility that this deal may pave the way to a middle east nuclear free zone. Or at the very least move the international community towards really pressuring Israel, Pakistan, India to sign the NPT.

      Sure hope you are right Phil. Also hope folks continue to contact their Reps in support of the deal. Even hoping folks make appointments with their Reps when they are in their home states during the August recess.

  • 'I trust Obama more than the Prime Minister of Israel to run our policy' -- George W. Bush's former pollster
    • So what will Israel be promised when this deal hopefully passes through the U.S. congress or through the veto process? More weapons, veto of the UN Palestinian statehood movement? What will they squeeze out of the U.S.?

      Can Obama execute an executive order on the Iran deal if those who oppose the deal are successful at trumping a Presidential veto?

    • All we are hearing from those who oppose the Iran deal is how this deal could allegedly "pave the way for Iran to acquire nuclear weapons" Why is it that we do not hear anyone start with the fact that Iran as a signatory to the NPT has the legal right to enrich uranium up to 20%. That Iran is giving up a great deal.
      What are the possibilities that this historic deal may "pave" the way to a nuclear free middle east? Or "pave" the way towards more pressure being applied to Israel, Pakistan and India to sign the NPT?

  • Israel's real fear about the Iran deal: It puts pressure on the occupation
    • Senator Schumer has stated that he will be going through the pages of the Iran deal with a "fine tooth comb." The very serious problem is that that "fine tooth comb" belongs to BB.

      Here is to Phil and his New York friends meeting and talking with Schumer in mass.

    • "The Iran deal makes that conversation more likely."

      Israeli Ambassador Dermer was on Joe Scarborough this morning saying that the deal "paved the way to an atomic bomb." What about the possibility of "paving the way" to a nuclear weapons free zone?

      Know that is a dream...but why not dream?

      Phil will you be putting a group together during the August recess to meet with Senator Schumer about the deal? He is clearly a lynch pin vote.

      Thought there was talk that the U.S. might abstain in a UN vote about Palestinian statehood?

  • The people love the Iran deal -- to judge from 'NYT' letters
    • Can anyone explain why the Iranian population is so young? Does this have anything to do with the Iranian deaths that took place during the Iran Iraq war? You know the one where the U.S. supported Iraq and stood by while Iraq used chemical weapons against the Iranians? Why is the population so young in Iran?

  • 'We should seize it' -- Obama announces Iran deal as 'new direction' for the Middle East
    • David Ignatius was on Chris Matthews last night and on Morning Joe this morning (July 15th). Chris Matthews allows Ignatius to make statements about Iran "destabilizing" the middle east with absolutely no challenges. They must be friends. Anyone else Chris Matthews would more than likely bring up how the invasion of Iraq clearly destroyed many lives but also had the added possibly planned feature to destabilize the region. The PNAC blueprint for the region

      Richard Haass and Ignatius were staying on that theme (Iran destabilizes the region, is a "bad actor" this morning on Morning Joe. Amazing to hear how often the words "cheat" or "cheaters" is being used to reference Iran's past activities. As if Israel and the U.S. do not fall into that category as much or more than Iran.

      Dr. Zbig on Morning Joe. He of course was clear, concise and no nonsense in his response to the deal. He really knocked Netanyahu as not being "a serious person" Dr. Zbig asked Ignatius if he was trying to set him up after one of Ignatius questions. Really worth the listen. You can scroll down and listen to Dr. Zbig and the U.K's ambassador to the U.S. who will be talking to congressional Reps in support of the deal. Morning Joe - MSNBC.com

      link to msnbc.com

    • Today (Wednesday July 15th) Senator Cardin took quite a pummeling on Washington Journal. Many callers asking about his ties to Israel, his votes for Israel in the U.S. congressional body. He became quite defensive. Greta the host and Cspan team cut some callers off when it did not appear they were going out of bounds.

      Cardin really exposed his allegiance to Israel when a caller asked about Israel and nukes. Cardin went right into a song and dance protecting Israel's massive stockpile of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that are not inspected by the international community because Israel continues to refuse to sign the NPT and the Chemical Weapons Treaty.

      Cardin did not say that Israel , Pakistan and India should be pressure to sign those agreements.

      At one point when describing the U.S. and Israel as democracies he really exposed his allegiance when he said "we (Israel) are a Democracy" Worth the Listen Washington Journal | Series | C-SPAN.org

      link to c-span.org

      C‑SPAN

    • As if Iran should trust us? Overthrew a democratically leader in the 50's. Supported Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war. Repeated false claims about their nuclear program. No reason for Iran to trust us either

    • I have pushed Phil Weiss and Mondoweiss on Washington Journal and Diane Rehm. About time. Diane Rehm just gave Abe Foxman a stage to repeat anyone who criticizes Israel more than say Saudi Arabia etc is an anti semite. When will Diane give many Jews who have joined the peace movement on this issue a platform. There has been a shift in this arena over the last 10 years. Phil, Adam and Mondoweiss have been a part of that shift. Including Anna Baltzer, Medea, Phil, Naomi Klein. When will these msm outlets give them a wider stage?

      Hillary Mann Leverett on the Cycle yesterday. Another opening wanting the facts.

      Walt, Mearsheimer, Freeman, Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson ...yes. Would make great guest on this issue.

      MSNBC Ed has had Joe Wilson on about this issue.

    • Over the next 6o days the MSM will be filled with so many inflammatory statements about the deal and Iran that our screens may ignite. New commercials came out last month trying to take the deal down. Here is to doing our parts in contacting Reps etc supporting the Weapons of Mass Diplomacy deal.

      Let's hope those in favor of busting the deal are not successful at getting the 66 Senate votes they need to trump Obama.

    • On the Diane Rehm show Abe Foxman pushed the idea that if you criticize Israel say more than you criticize Saudi Arabia's human rights crimes you are an "anti semite' He said that "anti Zionism is anti semitic" He repeated that the discussion in Israel about the conflict is open and dynamic. Not one question about how Abe Foxman has used his power to shut down the debate in this country.

      This seems to be the new (old) strategy by the I lobby. Call anyone who wants the conflict discussed accurately and openly in the states as an "anti semitic" Going with " if at first you don't succeed, try, try again"

    • Hillary has been shifting on Iran. However don't kid yourself she was part of the team pushing the unsubstantiated claims about Iran for over a decade. During the 2008 campaign and before she was all over the MSM repeating Iran has "nuclear weapons." Not that they have a nuclear program which as signatories to the NPT they had the legal right to. Only over the last year has Hillary focused on the facts about Iran.

      Bernie on the other hand has always supported negotiations with Iran. Love it that Senator Sanders brought up his vote against the Iraq war and Hillary voting for on Sunday's Meet the Press. He drew solid lines about the differences between his voting record and Hillary's. Also his push to go after Wall Street.

    • A huge thank you to President Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry, Iranian President Rouhani, and Iran's Foreign Minister Zarif for this historic deal! Regional and international peace move forward.

      We can continue to do our part by contacting our Reps many times in support of this constructive deal over the next 60 days. You can contact national radio programs (Diane Rehm, On Point) , CSpan's Washington Journal in support of the deal. You can write letters to your local papers in support of the deal You can contact mainstream news outlets and ask them to have middle east experts Hillary Mann Leverett (MSNBC's Melissa Harris Perry has had her on five times over the last year) and Flynt Leverett CNN has had both of them on) on their programs to educate the public based on facts. You can ask these outlets to have other experts on like former weapons inspector Scott Ritter, Prof Juan Cole (Informed Comment etc on their programs to help educate the public based on facts. You can link fact based information about the deal on other websites.

      Let's keep working for peace by supporting this critically important P5+1 deal. Constructive tectonic shift taking place!

    • Washington Journal callers today were mostly support the deal. A real shift has been taking place. MSNBC The Cycle had Hillary Mann Leverett on yesterday (Monday) Tectonic shift taking place.

    • ADL Abe Foxman on the Diane Rehm show right now. Talking about growing anti Semitism. Tuesday at 11. Call in. Leave messages on Diane Rehm website and their fb page. Phone number 1-800-433-8850

      My comment/question for Abe: "Why does your organization define those who work for peace in the Israel Palestine conflict by pushing for facts being aired in our mainstream media about the conflict being reported accurately as anti semites? Why have you slammed Professor Walt's and Mearsheimers book on the Israel lobby as "anti semitic?' Why has your group slammed Prof Finkelstein and others for wanting the facts about this conflict to come out ? I know there is real and dangerous anti Jewish nut cases out there. Your group appears to want to shut down all discussion about the real influence of the Israel lobby and the I/P conflict by defining all who work towards peace in this conflict as "anti semitic" A very dangerous, distorted and wide net based on false allegations."

      I just got through during Pres Carter's visit to the Rehm show last Thursday. Asked a question about the Iran deal towards the end of the program. So not going to try to get through. You can try. Millions listen to this program

  • US public supports Iran deal, but lobby groups seek to quash it
    • Just contacted NIAC (National Iranian American Council) asking them to consider getting together with Medea, J Street other peace in the middle east groups to put together a support peace support the Iran deal March before the August recess. I know thousands would come...

    • When do we march in support of deal Medea? Before the August recess? Sure lots of groups in D.C. willing to coordinate. Time to hit the halls of congress...again!

  • In effort to thwart BDS, some Israel supporters urge partial settlement freeze
    • Phil know this is off topic but really wondering about why and how many mainstream outlets are quietly boycotting the Leveretts (Going to Tehran). As I shared last week on Friday I called into NPR'S ON POINT the phone screener stated that the Leverett's lacked "credibility" We went on to have a mini conversation. Last time Leveretts were on that program was in 2009.

      Hillary has been on Melissa Harris Perry's numerous times, Washington Journal in March of this year, CNN periodically, British outlets, Al Jazeera. But really wondering why an outlet like ON POINT (one of their major sponsors is the Ruderman Foundation..are they an influential group?) would be boycotting them. Of course can guess. Think this could be an interesting piece if someone could directly contact Leveretts and find out who and why they have been quietly boycotted.

      So telling that so many outlets really do not want to educate the public based on the facts about Iran.

      Today Senator Cruz was on MSNBC Joe Scarborough ranting about Iran based on fueled myths. Not one individual around that table including BBC's Katy Kay (in for Mika), Mike Barnacle, Joe Scarborough challenged Cruz's unsubstantiated and inflammatory claims about Iran. Not one challenged during Cruz's fear mongering rant.

      In fact after the rant Joe reminded me of Meet the Press's deceased host Tim Russert when he had Cheney on in the run up to the invasion of Iraq and after. When Cheney was asked about Iran he went on in a fearful rant about Iran. Russert did not challenge him AT ALL. Instead Russert asked Cheney "what can we do" (as if everything Cheney said was accurate). This is exactly what Scarborough did after Cruz's fearful, inflammatory rant about Iran this morning. Scarborough sat back and asked "what can we do." As if everything Cruz had said about Iran was accurate.

      Last week Morning Joe had General Hayden on who ranted about Iran based on unsubstantiated claims. No challenges from anyone around the table on Morning Joe. Not one challenge.

      We have witnessed this dangerous scene before

    • "partial" key word.

      Abe Foxman "because it's smart for us to do it, regardless of whether we think it's right or wrong" More rebranding efforts that will continue to fail. Although clearly one can never underestimate the efforts to stall making a real deal.

      Obviously not a grammar person. Did see BDS written above as BCS "the photograph that would go out to the world would undermine the BCS movement"

      Will any of your Mondo team be putting together a piece on the commercials undermining the P5+1 efforts that are now playing on MSNBC several times an hour? Probably more on Fox etc. Hammering the public with fear of Iran. Supported and paid for by the group "United against a nuclear Iran" Dennis Ross and team United Against Nuclear Iran

      http://www.unitedagainstnucleariran

  • My journey from Zionism to Palestine solidarity
  • Sniper shots and mass arrests: UN Gaza report also documents Israeli abuses in West Bank last summer
    • "not limited to Gaza" While we all know mainstream outlets opened up last summer about reporting somewhat more accurately than they had ever done so before. However as Alex points out never a mention of actions in the West Bank. Worrisome during reporting that Palestinians were referred to as the "people of Gaza" all of the time. As if the West Bank did not belong to Palestinians and was not occupied.

  • In Gaza, the ultimate humiliation
  • UN report on Gaza war is 'tepid,' 'unserious' and exhibits 'anti-Muslim bigotry' -- Finkelstein
    • When the report is even whispered about in the mainstream always both Israel and the Palestinians committed "war crimes" Always stated with the false equivalency falsehood..."both sides are guilty" hooey. Always making crimes equal in comparison.

  • Neocons never fade away, they just get political cover in 'The New York Times'
    • The "neocons never fade away." Was able to ask Dennis Ross a direct question when he visited and spoke at Ohio Universities Peace Conference as the main guest speaker. Peace speaker?...the man failed and many believe that is exactly what he wanted.... failed deals. I asked Ross whether Israel should sign IAEA Non Proliferation Treaty. He hesitated and then shrugged his shoulders as if in question.

      Anyone seeing the new commercials on during MSNBC news undermining the P5+1?

      General Hayden was on Morning Joe undermining the deal of course with Joe Scarborough's and more than likely Comcast blessings. Mika stayed silent.

      Have been calling into national radio programs about Supreme Court Judicial Coup in 2000, Iraq invasion push, I/P conflict, push for a military confrontation with Iran etc for decades. Don't try as much as I used to. Had gotten through on NPR'S ON POINT in the last days of Dec of 2014. Question was what were your hopes for 2015. I talked about peace with Iran based on facts, the P5+1 and hoped the warmongers would not be successful at undermining the deal. One of the guest ended the show by agreeing with what I had said. During my comment I also asked the host to have the Leverett's on to discuss Iran based on facts.

      Today I called in again. The topic was what have you been paying attention to this week. I told the phone screener that of course I had been celebrating the Supreme Court's decisions this week. Then went on to say that I had seen General Hayden on MSNBC's Morning Joe and he had been making an effort to undermine the P5+1. Asked once again if the On Point team would have Hillary Mann Leverett (negotiated directly with Iran) or her husband Flynt Leverett (former CIA middle east analyst) both were in the Bush administration and stepped down because they disagreed with invasion of Iraq and push to militarily to confront Iran.

      The phone filter (screener person, a male) stated that the Leverett's have "credibility problems." I asked "with who" Aipac and the Israel lobby? He blew that comment off. What I wanted to know is what this phone screener for NPR's On Point bases such a biased comment on? He did not let me through and said that they will be talking about Iran this coming Tuesday. Hope folks call in. You can give screeners what they want to get through. However did not go there this time. Giving them what they want and then asking what you really want once you get through.

      The screener also said they had had the Leverett's on. As I looked through their archives see that the last time that they had these two middle east scholars on was Hillary on June 15, 2009 and Flynt in Sept of 2007.

      We all know how successful the I lobby has been at taking down those in opposition to their agenda. Freeman, Finkelstein, Carter etc.

      I still want the phone screener and ON POINT to tell us why the Leverett's have a "credibility problem?" We know Comcast must be blocking them on MSNBC. Not one host has had them on. If folks want to know what is really going on with the P5+1 go to the Leverett's website GOING TO TEHRAN.

  • UN report on Gaza war includes stories of civilian executions, attacks on ambulances and targeting of humanitarian facilities
    • This report is sure not making the MSM. Nope not the report about Israeli massacres filled with hatred. How U.S. tax dollars support these massacres.

      Allison Aipac has page up refuting the report

  • Israeli President Reuven Rivlin calls for removal of Israeli flag
    • This morning ((6/25/2015) MSNBC Joe Scarborough paid homage to Comcast founder/NBC and MSNBC and many other media outlets owner Ralph Roberts who passed away at 95 recently.

      Wondering whether the Mondo team will explore if and how Roberts more than likely has been a gatekeeper for Israel and the I lobby for decades. Did he donate to Israel (tax exempt), support Aipac etc?

      Know you did this piece some years back. Wondering about a deeper dig into Ralph Roberts associations, donations, gatekeeping through his many news outlet acquisitions over the decades? Questions?

      NBC and the Israel lobby - Mondoweiss

      mondoweiss.net/2011/11/nbc-and-the-israel-lobby

    • In our dreams...only in our dreams could this happen.

      Phil etc have you checked out Aipac's website recently? focus on taking down UN report and huge focus on taking down the P5+1.

      AIPAC - The American Israel Public Affairs Committee

      link to aipac.org

    • Heston appeared in West Virginia, Ohio on the guns issue numerous times in 2000 etc. Moses carrying a gun for freedom. Yikes

  • 'You have dual citizenship with Israel' -- NPR host hits Sanders with internet canard
    • Thanks. Used to read Raimando all of the time. Need to start making that a habit again. Thanks again

    • Over the last 10 years Rehm has had guest after guest repeat the warmongers unsubstantiated claims about Iran. She has repeated those claims herself.

      This was a clumsy and stupid mistake. Making an affirmative statement instead of posing as a question was so irresponsible. However posting the "dual citizenship" question is worth while I believe. But all of our Reps should be willing to answer that question.

      What has taken Diane and others so long to ask this question of Reps?

    • "I don't think this bears any resemblance to the false claims about President Obama and Kenya" Agree Just.

      While Diane Rehm presented what should have been a question as a fixed comment. These questions should be asked of our Reps. Accurate list should be presented to the American public and voting records and the creation of legislation having to do with whatever country a Rep may have dual citizenship with should be scrutinized.

      This question "do you have dual citizenship" should be asked of all of our Reps. Anyone know of an accurate list?

  • Foxman bashes Israel for taking US and Jewish support for granted and not coming up with a peace plan
    • Thanks

    • Phil not sure anyone has written about the TPP amendment I believe sponsored by Republican Senator Rob Portman etc to discourage BDS actions in Europe via the trade deal.

      "The Hill

      Congress moves to pressure Europe against BDS steps

      Amendments in Senate and House to bill on historic US-EU trade deal reject actions targeting Israel.

      ASHINGTON — The powerful Senate Finance Committee on Wednesday unanimously adopted language targeting European anti-Israel activities as part of negotiations over a historic trade deal with the EU.

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      The amendment to the authorization for negotiations on the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership will add the discouragement of BDS (Boycott, Divest, Sanction) actions as a principal objective for US envoys in the talks with Europe. "

  • Supreme Court slam dunks the Israel lobby on Jerusalem, 6-3 (and Rubio, Oren, and Engel are angry)
  • Netanyahu under siege, in 'the most embattled democracy on earth'
    • Indeed" Peace in Palestine and Israel" based on the internationally recognized border. Thing is..those days are over. Israel has made sure of that.

    • BB "barbaric terrorism" Just read the Goldstone Report, the UN Mavi Marmara report. Just finished Norman Finkelstein's latest "Method and Madness" Must read. Acutely on target.

      You know how Chris Matthews has people on promoting their political books. Will there ever come a day when Mr. Hardball will have a fact based individual like Finkelstein on his program to discuss his latest book or the facts about the I/P issue? Would Matthews lose his job? He will never take that test.

  • In June, three more U.S. churches to consider ending financial support for Israeli occupation
    • Taking a long time indeed. Yet better late than never...I guess. More and more willing to act upon their awareness. Finally!

      We know there has been a tremendous amount of pressure over the decades to stay silent and misrepresent the facts on the ground...Lie

  • Goldberg predicts 'civil war' between American and Israeli Jews as Israel is 'defined as an apartheid state'
  • 'New York Times' cites Palestinians as 'demographic' threat
    • "It's about time the New York Times reflected this understanding"

      Don't hold your breath.

      Phil the latest State Dept report on Lebanon has travel warnings increasing

  • New Israeli bill aims to put Palestinian stone-throwers in jail for 10-20 years
  • Turning Lebanon into Gaza -- Israel's hole card against Iran deal?
    • Huff Po built a bridge to the facts some years ago. 10 years ago their moderators would not allow UN agreement, report links. Would not allow links to Non Proliferation Agreement, Going to Tehran etc. Would not allow links to proven Israeli crimes against humanity Times are a changin at Huff Po (USA Today of websites). They allow many more facts through. Not at the New York Bloody Times.

    • Michael "Niger Documents" Ledeen. Now there is a man you can trust...yuch. Belongs on trial at the Hague.

    • Oops see that is what your whole post is about. Clearly the Iraq/ Iran warmongers will stop at nothing to completely destroy the P5+1 deal.

    • President of the Iranian American Council Trita Parsi (great interview with him on Cspan's Washington Journal not so long ago) and 28 year Veteran of the CIA Paul Pillar (watch the documentary "No End In Sight" had a similar piece up at Huff Po the other day "The Iran Talks Game Changer: An Israeli Hezbollah War"

  • Zionism is tired
  • The U.S. is at last facing the neocon captivity
    • Ok so great that Chris Matthews is clarifying now how the Bush administration was so successful at lying to the public and convincing the majority of folks (by no means all) to support the invasion based on their "pack of lies"

      What Chris Matthews did not do before the invasion was provide the American public with the many experts who were seriously questioning the validity of the Bush administration's so called intelligence. I watched almost every night before invasion. Along with many other sources. Chris had Kristol, Frum, Gaffney etc on and gave them somewhat of a hard time about the false claims. However he did not have Ritter, Dr.Zbig, El Baradei, Ray McGovern and other CIA analyst who were questioning the created, cherry picked and easily disseminated (MSM mostly went along) intelligence coming out of Feith's Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon. Libby and Cheney knocking any push back down. Chris Matthews did not have those questioning on his program.

      So while it is easy to do now after hundreds of thousands are dead, injured and millions displaced because of the Iraq invasion. The bigger question now is whether Chris Matthews and his ilk will provide the American public with expert analysis of the P5+1 on his program. Flynt and HIllary Mann Leverett, Dr.Zbig, former weapons inspector Scott Ritter etc. Will he call out those who are actively trying to undermine the deal? Or will he once again call those undermining and pushing us towards a military confrontation with Iran out in 10 years?

      Call the warmongers out persistently over the next six weeks. Help the American public understand the P5+1. Let the public know Iran signed the IAEA NPT and has the legal right to enrich up to 20%. That Iran is giving up a great deal. That Israel refuses to sign the NPT and the Chemical Weapons Treaty. Do it now not 12 years after a brutal invasion.

    • Just, Phil , others...ok we can congratulate and celebrate Matthews focusing hard on who lied, who got us in until the cows come home. Corn did it before invasion. However Matthews did not play hardball before the invasion. He did have Kristol, Frum, Gaffney on and gave them hard times about their warmongering.

      But he missed the inform the public with accurate information or even having those who were talking at the top of their lungs questioning the validity of the intelligence on his program. People like Ritter, El Baradei, Dr.Zbig, former middle east analyst Ray McGovern. Even David Corn was shouting out against before the invasion.

      I was watching Matthews almost every night before invasion. Along with listening to NPR, Democracy Now, CNN, Washington Journal. Matthews did not play hardball before the invasion like he is now. Not at all.

      So the question is will Matthews and his ilk have on qualified guest now to inform the public on accurate information about Iran. Our history with them the P5+1 negotiations and hopefully what will be a signed agreement. Will he have Hillary Mann Leverett on now? Will he have former IAEA weapons inspector Scott Ritter on now? Will he have qualified guest on to talk about Iran outside of the unqualified MSNBC contributors?

      Or if the same people who lied the U.S. into Iraq are successful at taking down the P5+1 negotiations leading us to more sanctions then to what the neocons hope is a military confrontation with Iran. Will Matthews etc play hardball once again after what possibly could be a future military confrontation with Iran?

      Play hardball now Chris Matthews not after there are serious breakdowns

    • At time for peace. Lt Colonel Karen Kwiatowski's piece came out after the invasion. Jason Vest piece in the Nation in August 2002 "The Men from Jinsa and CSP" was one of the more cutting edge pieces before invasion.

      Ritter, McGovern, and others tried and tried to warn the public before invasion.

    • Great overview Phil. However Corn came out clearly before the invasion that he was against. He had an early blog where he took on some of these warmongers that was relentlessly attacked this is back before the invasion and I believe after. Corn made it clear where he stood and why.

      Now don't get me wrong I love that Matthews is pounding the neocons hard and has been doing so for about four or five nights in a row. And has been doing so off and on since the invasion of Iraq. However easy to do now and ok most folks have swept the invasion of the rug with the hundreds of thousands dead, injured and millions displaced as a direct consequence of the invasion. But before the invasion Chris Matthews chose not to have those questioning the validity of the Bush administrations cherry picked, created and disseminated false pre war intelligence. Chris did not have former IAEA weapons inspector Scott Ritter who was on every outlet that would take him on before the invasion. He was questioning with known facts and his own direct inspection experience in Iraq during the Clinton administration. Matthews did not have IAEA head El Baradei on who came out in early March of 2003 and said the Niger Documents were false. Matthews did not have on Dr.Zbig, former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, Kathleen and Bill Christison on who were all questioning the validity of the intelligence. Chris did not get on the streets with the MSNBC cameras right there in his own back yard during the fall of 2002 when cumulatively millions of us hit the streets and halls of congress protesting, petitioning our Reps not to go along. Where was Chris then?

      Where was Chris and his cameras when the anti invasion march in New York in Feb 2003 where the march was being led by 9/11 families against the invasion (I was walking up front with friends who lost a daughter who was an airline stewardess on the United flight) WWII, Korean, Vietnam (some of my friends were in front) Desert Storm Vets were marching against the invasion with the 9/11 families. I pushed a 92 year old WWII Vet in that march. Where were those MSNBC cameras letting the rest of those at home wondering about the validity that millions were against the invasion?

      Ok Chris had Bill Kristol, David Frum, Gaffney and other neocons on and gave them a bit of a hard time. But he did not take it a step further and have reliable experts on who were questioning. Hell Phil Donahue was axed from I believe MSNBC because he was pushing back against invasion. Maybe that is why Chris did not push back hard. $$$$$$

      So now here we are the very same neocons have been and continue to push for more sanctions against Iran, stepping away from the P5+1, they are actively undermining a potential agreement. So will Chris and other MSM host step up to the plate and actually help the American public become better informed about the facts of the P5+1. The U.S. history with Iran. Will Chris have Flynt and HIllary Mann Leverett on? Will he have Professor Juan Cole on? Former head of the inspections in Iraq Scott Ritter on to talk about his book written almost 10 years ago "Target Iran" Or if the those very same neocons are successful at undermining the P5+1 agreement. Will Chris later say "Oh I was always for those agreements" Yet he never did the right thing before a potential destruction of those agreements by having those experts like Hillary Mann Leverett on his program.

      Appears Chris Matthews is still playing it safe in regard to a potential confrontation with Iran.$$$$$$$$

  • Ilan Pappe on the western awakening and what it means for Israel/Palestine
    • Read once. Going to read again. Great interview. What a man of integrity. Very brave and moral. Hope folks are sharing, linking this piece where ever they can

  • Front-page attack in New York Times says BDS movement is driven by minorities' 'hostility toward Jews'
    • Krauss great overview. On target points.

    • "whimper and whine" really. Phil happens to be a I believe co creator of one of most important Middle east sites going. He has taken all sorts of serious risk. I so appreciate his willingness and persistent work targeting the Bloody New York Times role in inaccurately reporting about Israeli human rights crimes and now trying to take down the BDS movement by inaccurately describing what they are about.

      One thing for sure I think Phil is exactly right "The piece is important because it reflects the the growing success of the BDS movement" Thanks Phil and Mondoweiss team for all of your important work. Although the situation for the Palestinians has not changed. Certainly more awareness.

  • 'God bless the young folks who took to the streets': African-American clergy draw parallels between Baltimore and Palestine
    • This connection has been a long time coming. Clearly taking off. Thanks for this great read Bill and the clips.

  • As presidential field broadens, GOP candidates race to show their love for Israel
    • Look I am not wild about Hillary her vote for the 2002 Iraq war resolution was a political move and it ended up back firing. I don't believe she gives any more of a rats ass about the hundreds of thousands dead, injured in Iraq or the millions displaced any more than bloody Bill Kristol (who pushed the kill Hillary's health care bill back during the Clinton administration). However she is different on domestic issues and now finally on Iran. She has been on of the warmongers repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran for a solid 10 years. Here lately she has been supporting the P5+1 negotiations.

      Jeb Bush's foreign policy adviser is Paul (psychopath) Wolfowitz. He and his blood curdling war team want a war with Iran they can taste the blood. Big difference at this time between Hillary and Jeb.

      Senator Sanders voting record against the Palestinians and for Israel no matter what they do falls into line with almost other so called liberals. Bernie is a PEP and so is HIllary.

      With a Bush administration we get a war with Iran. With HIllary maybe not. Her numbers are looking really good and have for quite some time. We do have to face reality here. Sanders does not have a snow balls chance in hell. But he will make the debate far more interesting

    • Let's get down to it...these candidates do not stand a snowball's chance in hell against Hillary, Now we have Bernie announcing which will at least make for some good debates. Now granted Hillary and Bernie fall into line with the I lobby most of the time however not on the Iran negotiations. And bet they have noticed that there is a serious shift in the populace towards Israel.

      Of course there could be a catastrophic event of some kind that takes Hillary down or somehow she falls totally prey to all of the dark swords being thrown at her, but don't you think she has it? If the election were tomorrow she sure would. And don't get me wrong I certainly do not support her foreign policy warmongering. But she shifted a bit during the Iran negotiations.

      Allison you referenced that Rand Paul had been subsidized by someone for a trip to Israel. Thought all of this buying our Reps trips to foreign countries was supposed to stop after the Ney/Abramoff scandal? Thought there was legislation passed to stop this kind of hanky panky..

      To think that one of the principle architects for the invasion of Iraq Paul Wolowitz is now the head foreign policy adviser for Jeb Bush. The chicken hawk war criminals want to attack Iran so bad

    • good one

  • Human rights activists thank Lauryn Hill for canceling upcoming concert in Israel
  • 'NY Review of Books' says Tony Judt didn't really mean it when he called for the end of a Jewish state
    • So wish Judt were alive to take these claims down. Have always thought it was pathetic to twist someone's stance after they have passed.Especially when they have made it so clear what their stance is...as Phil argues so articulately with many references.

      May be the first time I have seen Phil write "horseshit" Love it.

      Judt was a moral giant for standing up the way he did. Was so saddened by his passing and what he went through. So sad for his family. The world lost a brilliant and moral man.

      Anyone see him on the Israel/Palestine panel with Khalidi, Ben Ami, Dennis Ross, Indyk, Mearsheimer etc at Cooper Union ? There were a few times I thought Judt was going to politely chew Ross up and spit him out. Was a great debate

  • Palestine’s moment of truth for the International Criminal Court
    • Would seem like it. Would be great to hear from the law folk

    • Clear, crisp piece. Thank you Joe. Hoping and praying that the ICC will act with integrity and at long last a real commitment to justice.

  • Annals of the lobby: Edwards is a bad girl, Zakaria posterizes Saban
    • Thanks just

    • Three cheers for Fareed Zakaria. Strongest stand yet on a MSM outlet!

    • Nice J Lewis

    • Wields that power on Dems by the power and influence of the I lobby for decades....Little to no difference. With the exception of those who are finally standing up to the I lobby in regard to the negotiations with Iran. Those efforts led totally by the black caucus.

    • Speaking about "psychopaths." Did you watch Judy "I was fucking right" Miller on the Daily Show. While I object to Stewart giving war criminal Miller a pulpit for more dangerous spinning and helping her sell her book. He did pound her a bit on her "anonymous" sources and being a stenographer for those selling the Iraq invasion to the American people based on the "pack of lies" MIller constantly diverted from accepting any responsibility at all. Kept bringing up Kerry and Clinton's votes for the Iraq war resolution, almost always included all journalist as having failed, blamed all intelligence agencies (and we know they were all not on same page). A real psychopath at work. Thought Stewart gave her too much room to squirm out of her own go to war biases that were evident in her reporting. As if journalist do not have their own agendas wrapped up in some of their reporting,

      Hoping people boycott Miller's book. Why give these deadly wrong warmongers a stage to sell books? Send them off to the Hague like WWII war criminals.

      Miller was very much a willing and complicit accomplice in selling that deadly invasion.

  • 'BirthWrong' in the Cradle of Jewish Culture: Jews gather in southern Spain for tour that aims to repudiate Zionism
    • Was able to be around Ginsburg at Naropa here in Boulder early on when Naropa first started. Ginsburg basically an ego maniac so would imagine that he would be all about Israel and be dismissive of the Palestinians

      Although not sure at all where he stood on this issue.

    • Some have been calling Birthright BIRTHWRONG since it began. Hope the voyage trip turns into a regular event. Go go go Max and team. I have talked with about five young Jewish 20 somethings that said the BIRTHWRONG trip had the opposite effect on them that they believe and is clearly intended.

      Pushed them turn away from Israel as it is,

  • As pressure rises on Robbie Williams and UNICEF over Israel gig, conflict of interest emerges between singer and NGO
  • Night of horror at Ben Gurion airport for two French music students
    • Sorry you had to go through this. However just more evidence of an apartheid state. Not allowed to participate in protest...and you did not...and were still harassed and deported. Israel is not a democracy

    • Israel is not a democratic state. Just more evidence

  • Obama's role model to journalists -- Dorothy Thompson -- turned against Zionism and was silenced
  • Earlham Student Senate passes resolution in support of divestment from Israeli occupation
    • Yes a "profound thank you to the Student Senate of Earlham College" Committed to human rights and social justice!

    • More movement...yes yes yes

      The fb share icon not working. Different set up.

  • Finkelstein goes to Syracuse and the opposition stays home
    • "As in the past, I was inspired by the man's unwavering moral compass" Have so respected this man for decades. He was out on the front lines of this issue when it was NOT easy. He took serious personal hits from those who oppose facts. His books, his website, debates with Dershowitz at Democracy Now all worthwhile to spend time reading and watching.

      Would be interesting if the Mondo crew set up an interview with Vanessa Redgrave who was out on the front lines of this issue back in the mid 70's. How her public stances on this issue affected her acting career, etc. She has a series of interviews on line about this conflict

  • AIPAC-backed legislation targeting BDS movement advances in Congress
    • MHP has stepped out of the box on Iran, the Israeli Palestinian conflict when she has had Hillary Mann Leverett on at least 5 times since last summer. Watch the programs with Leverett on those Iran/middle east panels and you will hear for yourself how MHP has indeed stepped out of line a bit on coverage of these issues and the information people have access too.

    • Too bad Cardin's civil and human rights stances against racism and oppression here in the states and South Africa do not apply to the Palestinians. However most of us know many alleged human rights advocates who are weak in the spine when it comes to the Palestinians having those same human rights.

      Keep calling your Reps letting them know how you stand against this legislation. The movement is growing.

      Bet Melissa Harris Perry might cover this issue if we all pile on over at her facebook page

  • 'Celebration of ethnic cleansing is intolerable': Baltimore JVP crashes 'Israeli Independence Day' party
    • "not so long ago" indeed. A welcome shift is taking place in the Jewish community and elsewhere.

    • I'll agree with you on your point that most "minorities" get it. Don't agree that most "educated Americans" get it. Know too many folks who have college degrees who believe the "we're number one" hooey. Many who could care less that this country was birthed on genocide and slavery.

  • In defense of Cornel West's prophetic voice
    • Just read Max's piece. Incredible. Nails it down once again. However just tried to share on fb from Alternet. When the article pops up to share with his piece up pops a photo of a woman in a black bra lying down looking as if she is about to have sex or something.

      Betsy would you try to share on fb from the alternet piece and see if you are getting the same image. I posted on alternet what was happening. So odd

      Incredible piece

      Ok if you share from the link at the top of the alternet piece Cornell's photo comes up. If you try to share from the comment section of the article an image of the lady comes up when you share the piece. Odd

    • Ech "who cares" Some of us actually look into our officials voting records and public stances. It does matter a great deal.

      Back to one of my original points. So between Obama and Hillary...we chose Obama. Then between McCain and Obama we chose Obama. Wise...best bet

    • Obama was not warmongering in the Senate. He was mostly a fence sitter. While he was not in congress in 2002 so did not have to vote for or against the 2002 Iraq war resolution. He had said loud and clear that he was against the invasion. Distinctly different from Clinton and McCain.

    • Cornell West criticized Obama early on. And has done so consistently.

      Let's see our choices were between warmongering Hillary Clinton and Obama. So most of us chose Obama. Then the choice was between warmongering McCain and Obama. What else were people supposed to do?

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