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Kathleen

57 year old mother of three, activist, concerned citizen

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  • Haymarket books to celebrate 10th anniversary
  • Could censorship of children's art prove a turning point?
    • Lots more awareness discussing the censorship the Jewish successful effort to shut it down. I had two folks who have never shown any concern about the I lobbies successful efforts s to shut down the debate, the truth about the conflict bring up the issue with me. They were aware of the censorship

  • Israel to the international community: 'This is not a pipe'
    • Israel to the international community "up yours" Once we were able to have the UN create Israel....our relationship was over with you.

    • Anyone willing to send out a quick email, twitter to BBC World Service. Christiane Amanpour is hosting the show today. I am thanking her for opening up her program

      "Hello Christiane Amanpour thanks for opening up your Sunday news Program "This Week" to reporting about the Palestinian perspective by having Hanan Ashwari on. Hopeful since Israel's spin of the I/P conflict dominates the US MSM. Refreshing. Keep the window open on this critical issue.
      [email protected]
      "

  • Mourning the Jewish New Year
    • A good year to all. To Peace and Justice. Keep pushing

    • Obama's list of crimes keeps growing.
      Peace through killing. Drones not doves. Real serious contradictions. How many civilians have been killed?

      War By "Lethal Autonomy"
      As the Drone Flies
      by RALPH NADER

      The fast developing predator drone technology, officially called unmanned aerial vehicles or UAVs, is becoming so dominant and so beyond any restraining framework of law or ethics, that its use by the U.S. government around the world may invite a horrific blowback.

      First some background. The Pentagon has about 7,000 aerial drones. Ten years ago there were less than 50. According to the website longwarjournal.com, they have destroyed about 1900 insurgents in Pakistan’s tribal regions. How these fighters are so clearly distinguished from civilians in those mountain areas is not clear.

      Nor is it clear how or from whom the government gets such “precise” information about the guerilla leaders’ whereabouts night and day. The drones are beyond any counterattack—flying often at 50,000 feet. But the Air Force has recognized that a third of the Predators have crashed by themselves.

    • Israel would have a real leg to stand on if they STOPPED building, expanding illegal settlements, illegal housing in E Jerusalem, destroying Palestinian homes, olive groves. Take down the wall built on internationally recognized Palestinian lands. Build that wall totally on the 67 border.

      When Israel actually takes UN resolutions seriously they will gain some respect. Until then they just keep creating more enemies

    • The acquisition of the land in that region had been going on for decades. The Holocaust escalated the take and push for statehood.

      Acknowledging the pain, the suffering that has taken place for many Jews through history, acknowledging the killing that Jews did in their early history, acknowledging the pain, suffering and killing of the Palestnian people at the hands in the prisons of the early Zionist and the Israeli government is terribly important. Real forgiveness can only happen when crimes are acknowledged, those responsible held accountable and compensation made. Ultimately no way to really move forward without those reasonable steps.

    • If only we saw more of that in all religions or any persons life.

    • Look over there, blame that group, that person, that over there look over there. Has been the strategy for a very long time

    • Not sure why we do not see more of a push for demanding that Israel isolate the US funding that is spent on their internationally illegal activities. Itemize where that US aide goes.

      We know for now that US aid to Israel is not going to stop . Keep pushing keep contacting Reps, spreading the word etc.
      But separating or reducing the aid to Israel and identifying what percentage of US aid is used in their illegal activities...needs to be demanded

    • "Nowhere in the bible does it say “It’s OK to kill non-Jews.” The Bible contains accounts of the wars fought by the ancient nations of Israel, but there is no such categorical statement."

      Clearly you have never read the Torah or Bible. So much violence promoted turns ones stomach.

      Moses talking to "the Lord" . That guy was one of the first very successful spin masters out there. Talking to "the Lord" What a pr scam. Some ultimate guy in the sky whom only Moses can talk to. What a scam. There is so much violence and endless ethnic centric beliefs and actions cultivated in the Bible.

      From the guy in the sky to Moses according to Moses
      "http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/1-8.htm
      "Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land
      which the LORD sware unto your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them."

      http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ex/15.html#6

      Bible and Torah written by Jews who clearly had an agenda (we have a special relationship with the guy in the sky that we say is there) is so full of ethno centric thinking and actions it is disgusting.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_a_chosen_people

      Leviticus 25:44
      "As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you."

      http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/20-17.htm
      " But of the cities of these peoples which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them—the Hittite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, and Jebusite—just as the Lord your God has commanded you, lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the Lord your God.[4]"
      YOU SHALL LET NOTHING THAT BREATHES REMAIN ALIVE, BUT YOU SHALL UTTERLY DESTROY THEM-THE HITTITE, AMORITE, CANANNANITE, PERIZZITE, HIVITE, JEBUSITE.

      " So Joshua [Moses' successor] conquered all the land: the mountain country and the South and the lowland and the wilderness slopes, and all their kings; he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord, God of Israel had commanded.[5]"

      BUT UTTERLY DESTROYED ALL THAT BREATHED, AS THE LORE, GOD OF ISRAEL HAD COMMANDED

    • there is no way to claim a homeland based on books written by Jewish guys with an agenda. The thousands of years ago is a bunch of hooey and where on this planet has there ever been such a claim for a land theft? Look I agree with you the US has no right to exist...but it exist. Israel has no right to exist but it exist based on manipulated international recognition..based on the 67 border. Israel is turning the world against Israel by its persistent illegal actions

    • "contributed to the displacement of another people to survive," killed Palestinians, destroyed homes villages,

      And lets not forget that the Jewish guys who wrote that sacred book the Bible said that God had talked to them and had said it was a ok to kill non Jews. Totally acceptable to treat non Jews with far less respect. How much violence, how many people did God tell the Jews it was ok to kill? Total bullshit

      "Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, who heads the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva in the Yitzhar settlement, wrote in his book "The King's Torah" that even babies and children can be killed if they pose a threat to the nation.

      Shapiro based the majority of his teachings on passages quoted from the Bible, to which he adds his opinions and beliefs.

      "It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder."
      http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/news/west-bank-rabbi-jews-can-kill-gentiles-who-threaten-israel-1.4496

    • "That Jews brought catastrophe to another people is a stain on Jewish history."

      And decades of silence.

      The ancient homeland claims are weak.

  • ADL gloats over the cancellation of Gaza children's art exhibit
  • Money for nothing and occupation for free: The 1994 Paris protocols on economic relations between Israel and the PLO
    • "The Paris agreement establishes the Palestinian Monetary Authority whose purpose is basically limited to prudential regulation of Palestinian financial institutions. Prior to the Paris protocols the Jordanian Dinar was commonly used in the West Bank and Jerusalem. The protocols established a monetary union between Israel and Palestine based on the Israeli Shekel. All monetary instruments remained in the hands of the Central Bank of Israel. In the agreement the Palestinians cannot issue currency and, in fact, have no say whatsoever in monetary policy"

      "have no say whatsoever in monetary policy" They own the Palestinians. Truly an apartheid state.
      Just reread. Thanks for this. Will read a third time.

    • Interesting about Barkley Bank. This bank was mentioned in the INSIDE JOB documentary. They tried to buy Lehman Brothers but wanted insurance from the US treasury or other governmental bodies to insure their buy of Lehman. Hank Paulson refused to support this insurance. Lehman took the dive.

      I had known that there was a fat cat kingly dual between Fuld (CEO of Lehman) and Paulson but had no idea the feud ran so deep. Watched Paulson during the banking bailout hearings. It appeared he had a gun pointed at our congress folks demanding "give me the keys to the treasury" or else"

      Barkley is mentioned in that documentary which I highly recommend

    • "During Fischer’s tenure this monetary and economic union has emerged as a crucial facilitator of the occupation. Indeed, during Fischer’s tenure the union has transformed into the principal way by which Israel finances its occupation of Palestine."

      Interesting.

      Last night we watched the documentary "Inside Job" about the 2008 Wall Street/Banking economic disaster that the US and the rest of the world are still suffering from. Knew a fair amount but this documentary really put things even more in order. The roles that Geitner, Summers, Hank Paulson, Greenspan, Fuld, Martin Feldstein (had never heard of this bankster/professor), Rubin, Frederick Mishkin etc played in demanding (writing legislation) deregulation. How Hank Paulson was instrumental in deregulation and pushed hard for lifting leverage limits for investment banks. How many of these same individuals teach at universities basically preparing the next group of economic thieves, write legislation etc.

      Really worth watching INSIDE JOB . Telling the story of economic socio paths.

  • Stripping geography from the conflict
    • "While Israel resorts to increasingly insane methods to dispossess Palestinians both in Israel and out, it becomes increasingly clear that the Nakba will not end until a new paradigm for resistance is adopted. "

      Israel is closing down the last openings for a two state solution.

      http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/08/palestinians-threaten-one-state.html
      A document produced by a group of prominent 'Palestinians' advocates seeking a 'one-state solution' in the event that - as expected - the unilateral drive for 'Palestinian statehood' does not produce a 'Palestinian state' (regardless of the vote in the UN General Assembly).

      Among the participants in the group’s workshops over the past year in Jericho, Gaza and Istanbul were Omar Abdel Razek, the former finance minister in the Hamas government in the West Bank, and Nasser al-Shaer, that government’s education minister. Next to them sat senior Fatah officials including associates of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas − former Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath and senior adviser Mohammad Shtayyeh. Other signatories are Naser al-Kidwa, a former Palestinian observer at the United Nations, Fatah Deputy Secretary General and Communications Minister Sabri Saydam, and former economics minister and businessman Mazen Sinokrot.

      Already in the preface, the authors stress that “strategic unity,” now greatly enhanced by the reconciliation process, is a key condition for putting together an effective strategy. The document’s starting point: Given the Israeli government’s intransigence, the option of settling the conflict via bilateral negotiations − the path pursued by the Palestinian leadership for 20 years − is no longer available.

  • Kahane lives? Proposed legislation reflects rightward shift in Israel on minority rights
    • Many people have been saying that Israel has not and does not want peace. More territory Greater Israel the apartheid nation

  • Something to contemplate as you sit in rush hour traffic waiting to get on to the Queensboro bridge
    • Motivating enemies: Interventionists and the UN veto
      http://non-intervention.com/
      "Over several thousand years of human history nation-states have come and gone as result of their own actions and follies, and this winnowing process has proven beyond doubt that no nation-state has a right to exist. To argue otherwise — as the Israel-Firsters do — is simply to ignore history and reality; to inject via political corruption a set of personal and not widely held religious beliefs into the formation of U.S. foreign policy; and to put all Americans at risk of war for the fundamentalist, near-fanatical religious beliefs of some Jewish- Americans and their full partners in political corruption and war mongering, parts of the Christian Evangelical community.

      The proper, pro-America role for the Obama Administration is to publish a non-interventionist doctrine declaring that it will abstain from any vote taken at the UN on the issue of full membership for Palestine. Obama officials could simply explain that this is an issue of no genuine national-security concern to the United States — exactly the type of issue America‘s Founders advised their countrymen to steer clear of — and from Washington’s perspective should be left to the two parties in the conflict to work out, Israelis and Arabs. President Obama and UN Ambassador Rice could also explain to UN members the fact that no nation has a right to exist, although this reminder may be a bit superfluous now that the United Nations itself has proven that point by becoming the West’s pliant interventionist tool for helping to destroy such UN member-states in good standing as Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, and Yemen.
      So Americans should keep their eyes on the current UN meeting and remember what happens in that forum if there is a vote on Palestinian membership and Washington vetoes it. The negative, war-promoting impact of that veto may not be visible right away, but you can bet that the next time an Islamist group fights and dies to kill U.S. soldiers, Marines, and private citizens, and those of our Western allies, it will publicly cite among its main motivations unqualified U.S. support for Israel and the the Obama veto."

    • Telling Jews can not build in E Jerusalem is standing by International law and UN resolutions.

      That sign undermines US National Security

  • Knesset to vote on full Israeli annexation of the West Bank
    • CONTACT YOUR REPS. Petitions, visit their offices, set up appointments with them in your district or in DC. Meet with them in a group. Join BDS, Palestinian solidarity groups. Order material, brochures from If Americans Knew or BDS and spread this information where ever you go. Churches, campuses, shopping centers. Where ever you go.

      Call, email, facebook, twitter news outlets, call national and local radio programs about this issue.

      Demand that the US cut of aid to Israel. At the very least demand that Israel has to identify US money being used to build support illegal housing and illegal settlements.

      CONTACT YOUR REPS. Pressure....more and more pressure.

    • He has his signet ring for heavens sake.

      Clearly Israel has never wanted peace. Never. Just more and more territory.

  • 'Young, Jewish and Proud' issues challenge to the Jewish community
    • non violent truthful resistance based on facts

    • It's called Mondoweiss

    • Not sure about their need to so heavily identify with being Jewish. Have never understood this. I don't identify heavily with my Irish/French/Polish/Russian...Catholic heritage. Hardly at all.

      But this being "Jewish" is something I have never understood why Jewish folks often need to announce this almost immediately after you meet them. But oh well. Seems to be the way it is.
      The very positive is that these young Jewish folks seem to be saying to their parents, grandparents etc it that being Jewish to them means standing up for justice

    • CONTACT YOUR REPS AS OFTEN AS YOU CAN

    • If you have to make it appear that your religious or cultural identity has allegedly always been on the side of justice that is telling...but there is movement.

    • "radical intellectuals" who have for decades persistently ignored and blocked the truth about this conflict coming out. Own this, acknowledge this fact while moving forward

    • With you on this. But clearly movement

    • "They will do anything in their power to prevent discourse on this subject because they know damn well once the discussions begins, israels apartheid policies along with the lobbys detrimental effect on Israel will be aired out. "

      I am a real believer that if the American public or any people's are provided with accurate, fact based information consistently that the logical in a person rises to the surface and will ultimately prevail. This I believe applies to the lies told to the American people in the run up to the invasion of Iraq, the spin repeated about the I/P conflict etc.

      Give people the facts as close to the truth as possible. This is why we need to keep pounding on the MSM. It is their job to provide the American public with accurate information or be held and punished if they are found to have lied to the public

      "http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/06.html
      "''The liberty of the press is indeed essential to the nature of a free state; but this consists in laying no previous restraints upon publications, and not in freedom from censure for criminal matter when published. Every freeman has an undoubted right to lay what sentiments he pleases before the public; to forbid this, is to destroy the freedom of the press: but if he publishes what is improper, mischievous, or illegal, he must take the consequences of his own temerity. To subject the press to the restrictive power of a licenser, as was formerly done, both before and since the Revolution, is to subject all freedom of sentiment to the prejudices of one man, and make him the arbitrary and infallible judge of all controverted points in learning, religion and government. But to punish as the law does at present any dangerous or offensive writings, which, when published, shall on a fair and impartial trial be adjudged of a pernicious tendency, is necessary for the preservation of peace and good order, of government and religion, the only solid foundations of civil liberty. Thus, the will of individuals is still left free: the abuse only of that free will is the object of legal punishment. Neither is any restraint hereby laid upon freedom of thought or inquiry; liberty of private sentiment is still left; the disseminating, or making public, of bad sentiments, destructive to the ends of society, is the crime which society corrects.''7

      Demanding accountability based upon the abuse of this freedom. Legal punishment. Judy "I was fucking right" Miller as well as other journalist and MSM outlets should be punished for pushing and not challenging the WMD lies

    • So wonderful!
      "we exist"
      "we remember"'
      "we are better than this"

      I met some of these young Jewish and proud individuals at the Move over Aipac gathering in DC. Wonderful. Reminding their parents and grandparents that standing silent for decades on this issue is terribly wrong and complicit. Better late than never. Hopefully will encourage their parents etc to stand with them and remind them that decades of silence is complicity.

      So important that they recognize all of the individuals who have come before them in this decades long struggle. Heard several of them entering the world of the ego in a big big way as if this movement for Palestinian justice started with them. Very dangerous and efforts to build a myth.

      Hopefully they will develop wisdom and acknowledge all of the very brave souls who have come out and stood on the front lines before it became far more acceptable...while celebrating young Jewish and proud for their continuing efforts.

  • PA astroturf effort to build campus momentum for statehood falls flat
  • The view from the West Bank: Statehood bid? What statehood bid?
    • Most of us know there is hope at least for information getting out there. Because most folks at this site have been pounding MSM outlets as well as our Reps for decades to open up on this issue. Accumulative effect

    • I know at Camp David during Carters efforts that there was a brief settlement moratorium. Does anyone know whether the illegal settlement issue actually came into play in any of the above agreements? Just brief moratoriums is all that I am aware of

      Sure seems like UN resolution 242 spells it out

      http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+Process/Guide+to+the+Peace+Process/UN+Security+Council+Resolution+242.htm
      Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

      Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
      Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

      Affirms further the necessity

      For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;
      For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;
      For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

    • I know the settlements issue and illegal building in E Jerusalem were not in the Oslo Agreement and I don't think they were in Camp David in 78 or 2000 either

      Arab-Israeli peace diplomacy and treaties

      Paris Peace Conference, 1919
      Faisal-Weizmann Agreement (1919)
      1949 Armistice Agreements
      Camp David Accords (1978)
      Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty (1979)
      Madrid Conference of 1991
      Oslo Accords (1993)
      Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace (1994)
      Camp David 2000 Summit
      Peace process in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
      Projects working for peace among Israelis and Arabs
      List of Middle East peace proposals
      International law and the Arab-Israeli conflict
      Tabah-Rafah Sraights
      Cairo-Maadi
      End of the Yom Kippur War

    • not in Oslo. no no no

    • Interesting
      http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/26/does-un-bid-herald-death-of-old-guard/
      Events at the UN are creating a new clarity for Palestinians, reminding them that there can be no self-determination until they liberate themselves from the legacy of colonialism and the self-serving illusions of the ageing notables who now lead them. The old men in suits have had their day.

    • The Murdoch issue sure disappeared for quite awhile

    • Really? They have for decades.

    • Former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit Micheal Scheuer

      Motivating enemies: Interventionists and the UN veto
      By mike | Published: September 21, 2011

      http://non-intervention.com/

      Over several thousand years of human history nation-states have come and gone as result of their own actions and follies, and this winnowing process has proven beyond doubt that no nation-state has a right to exist. To argue otherwise — as the Israel-Firsters do — is simply to ignore history and reality; to inject via political corruption a set of personal and not widely held religious beliefs into the formation of U.S. foreign policy; and to put all Americans at risk of war for the fundamentalist, near-fanatical religious beliefs of some Jewish- Americans and their full partners in political corruption and war mongering, parts of the Christian Evangelical community.

      The proper, pro-America role for the Obama Administration is to publish a non-interventionist doctrine declaring that it will abstain from any vote taken at the UN on the issue of full membership for Palestine. Obama officials could simply explain that this is an issue of no genuine national-security concern to the United States — exactly the type of issue America‘s Founders advised their countrymen to steer clear of — and from Washington’s perspective should be left to the two parties in the conflict to work out, Israelis and Arabs. President Obama and UN Ambassador Rice could also explain to UN members the fact that no nation has a right to exist, although this reminder may be a bit superfluous now that the United Nations itself has proven that point by becoming the West’s pliant interventionist tool for helping to destroy such UN member-states in good standing as Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, and Yemen.

  • Will a US veto at the UN invite another 9/11 (followed by an attack on Iran)?
    • Former Counter terrorism Richard Clarke, Former National Security Advisor Bryzinski, Former Head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit Micheal Scheuer, Former IAEA' weapons inspector Scott Ritter, Former President Jimmy Carter, Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, Kathleen and Bill Christison, General Jones, General Zinni etc have all placed the lopsided support for Israel no matter what they do in the top three reasons for the hatred towards the US and attacks on the US in those three top positions. And at times put the support for Israel no matter what they do in the number one position at times depending on who and where they are talking

    • In former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit Micheal Scheuer's latest piece over at his site he moves the I/P conflict into the number one spot of the anger and attacks. But in the past I have heard him put this issue in the number two spot of the anger and attacks. Again have heard experts more this issue around in the top three reasons for the built up hatred and for the reasons for the attacks
      http://non-intervention.com/
      "Motivating enemies: Interventionists and the UN veto
      By mike | Published: September 21, 2011

      For most of a decade I have said in books, articles, interviews, and speeches that America’s war with the growing Islamist movement is motivated by the Islamists’ belief that U.S. foreign policy is an attack on their faith and brethren. Generally, this effort has been akin to yelling into a closet. The dominance of pro-Saudi and especially pro-Israel political influence and money in both political parties, the media, and the academy is just too strong to allow more than fleeting opportunities to tell Americans that they — and their soldier-children — are and will continue to be at war because of the impact in the Muslim world of the foreign policy of Washington and its NATO allies.

      This week, however, all Americans have a chance to see for themselves how Washington‘s bipartisan, interventionist foreign policy provides our Islamist enemies with their main motivation and encourages young Muslim males to seek out membership in Islamist organizations fighting the United States and its allies. If the Palestinian Authority’s president, Mahmoud Abbas, goes ahead and asks the United Nations to recognize Palestine as an UN member state, and the Obama Administration then vetoes the chance of a positive response — as would any Republican administration — Americans will see clearly and unequivocally how a U.S. foreign policy decision motivates Islamists to war and provides them with their major source of unity and enduring cohesiveness. Actions cause reactions, and, in this case, the pro-Israel lobby will have a harder time than usual telling Americans that U.S. foreign policy does not promote war with Muslims. The Obama veto will surely kill Americans and promote domestic Islamist violence in the years ahead."

      Scheuer on Washington Journal
      On Osama Bin Laden
      http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/299269-5

      http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/301467-5
      Micheal Scheuer "Imperial Hubris"
      http://www.c-span.org/Events/Michael-Scheuer-Author-quotImperial-Hubrisquot/2498/

      Scott Ritter and Seymour Hersh address the issue in detail in this talk/debate. Worth watching the whole talk
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3777614199046042311

    • "Considering that U.S. support for Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people was the #1 motivator for the September 11, 2001 attacks, shouldn't the possibility that a veto will motivate another such attack be part of the mainstream media discourse? This is why it's not, plus this too."

      I have heard one expert (Richard Clarke, Ray McGovern, Micheal Scheuer, Ray McGovern, Scott Ritter, Bryzinski after the next as well as world leaders (King of Jordan etc) mix up these three issues in different orders for the hatred directed towards the US and attacks on the US and US interest.

      1. US support for Israel no matter what they do
      2. US support for dictators in that region
      3. US military bases on Muslim lands

  • White House sells Quartet statement on negotiations as 'a major accomplishment in Israel's favor'
    • This paragraph jumps out
      "Atzmon's basic point is that Jews often talk in universalistic terms, but many of them think and act in particularistic terms. One might say they talk like liberals but act like nationalists. Atzmon will have none of this, which is why he labels himself a self-hating Jew. He fervently believes that Jews are not the "Chosen People" and that they should not privilege their "Jewish-ness" over their other human traits. Moreover, he believes that one must choose between Athens and Jerusalem, as they "can never be blended together into a lucid and coherent worldview." (p. 86) One can argue that his perspective is dead wrong, or maintain that it is a lovely idea in principle but just not the way the real world works. But it is hardly an illegitimate or ignoble way of thinking about humanity."

    • And attacking Iran is still high on their list. So far they basically have the MSM so well trained to roll over or repeat the unsubstantiated claims(Terry Gross, Rachel Maddow, Andrea Mitchell, Diane Rehm, etc etc) without any simple and challenging questions they seem to still be committed to stir up a military confrontation with Iran

    • Here you go Phil, Annie, Adam etc. Just finished. A must read.
      http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/09/25/mearsheimer_responds_to_goldbergs_latest_smear
      Mearsheimer responds to Goldberg's latest smear
      Posted By Stephen M. Walt Monday, September 26,
      Ever since John Mearsheimer and I began writing about the Israel lobby, some of our critics have leveled various personal charges against us. These attacks rarely addressed the substance of what we wrote -- a tacit concession that both facts and logic were on our side -- but instead accused us of being anti-Semites and conspiracy theorists. They used these false charges to try to discredit and/or marginalize us, and to distract people from the important issues of U.S. Middle East policy that we had raised.

      The latest example of this tactic is a recent blog post from Jeffrey Goldberg, where he accused my co-author of endorsing a book by an alleged Holocaust denier and Nazi sympathizer. Goldberg has well-established record of making things up about us, and this latest episode is consistent with his usual approach. I asked Professor Mearsheimer if he wanted to respond to Goldberg's sally, and he sent the following reply.

    • Abbas made it very clear. The line in the cement is stop the illegal settlements. Period. Otherwise two state solution looks like it is over

    • The quartet and the US empty efforts were bulldozed over by Abbas, Ashwari, Erdogan. ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH. If Israel does not agree to stop building illegal settlements and actually stop....no negotiations. Period.

      The Palestinian Authority could dissolve. Then the push for a one state solution. Israel loses.

      Dennis Ross being in there not negotiating represents failure.

  • Palestinian negotiator Hanan Ashrawi pressed on next steps for Palestinian statehood
    • Ashrawi made it very clear. The time slot for Israel to stop building illegal settlements and illegal housing in E Jerusalem is very limited. Then the only option is one state solution. Which totally exposes the apartheid state of Israel. No veils

    • Glad you picked up on this. Some real light coming in on Sunday news programs. Fareed Zakaria's interview with Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan, Christiane Amanpour's interview with Ashrawi, and David Gregory's interview with Netanyahun

      Kathleen September 26, 2011 at 11:43 am

      Light getting through the cracks

      David Gregory interview with Netanyahu
      link to msnbc.msn.com

      Erdogan with Zakaria

  • Turkish government releases identities of IDF soldiers who attacked the Mavi Marmara
    • And if Turkey had killed/executed 8 Israeli human rights activist and one US/Israeli dual citizen and shot several of them in the back of the head at close range (go read the report). The Israeli government/Mossad would surely knock every individual off one by one. No matter how many years it took

    • Light getting through the cracks

      David Gregory interview with Netanyahu
      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/

      Christiane Amanpour with Hanan Ashrawi
      http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/interview-hanan-ashrawi-14601442

    • go read the report. Many of these people shot at close range in the back of their heads.

    • bingo...but for Hophmi etc rules, laws that apply to others just flat out do not apply to Israel.

    • I don't believe Secretary of State Clinton has ever responded to Col Ann Wrights letters about the killing of Furkan Dogan
      http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/08/07/ann_wrights_two_letters_to_secretary_of_state_clinton
      Dear Secretary of State Clinton,

      I am a retired US Army reserve colonel with 29 years in the US Army and Army Reserves, and a former US diplomat who resigned after 16 years in the US State Department in opposition to the war on Iraq.

      I was one of fourteen American citizens on the Gaza flotilla.

      On June 14, 2010, I delivered to the Bureau of Consular Affairs, Office of American Citizen Services a letter to you requesting investigation of the Israeli attack on the Gaza flotilla in which one unarmed American citizen was killed by Israeli commandos and fourteen other American citizens were kidnapped from international waters and taken to Israel against their will, imprisoned, and their personal possessions stolen by Israeli commandos.

      Despite numerous inquiries to the State Department about the status of the response to my letter, after seven weeks I have not received a response to the letter, nor to the 80 questions that I requested that the United States government pose to the Israeli government concerning their attack on the Gaza flotilla.

      As an American citizen, I am distressed that no one in the State Department government will respond to this request for assistance.

    • Pictures and names...now that is getting specific. Hope folks stay peaceful. Demand that they go on trial at ICC.

      Erdogan was spot on during his interview with Fareed Zakaria yesterday

  • 'NYT' Public Editor lets Bronner off the hook
  • Jen Chapin Trio concert in Oakland will benefit Jenin Freedom Theatre
    • Another pro Palestinians truth telling event in California coming up
      http://www.ifamericansknew.org/about_us/events.html
      We are writing to let you know about two upcoming events featuring our Executive Director, Alison Weir. If you or anyone you know lives in the area, please spread the word and bring friends, relatives, neighbors or colleagues. This is an excellent opportunity to inform people who are new to the issue, skeptical or uninformed.

      Please also email me at [email protected] or call 202-631-4060 if you live in the area and would like to plan another event or arrange a media interview while Alison is there.

      Date: Wednesday September 28, 2011

      Time: 6 pm

      Location: California State University San Marcos
      333 S. Twin Oaks Valley Rd.
      San Marcos, CA 92096 University Hall, Room : 100
      Driving directions
      Campus map

      Description: Alison Weir will give a presentation on "Israel-Palestine: Behind the Headlines"

      Sponsored by Muslim Student Association and Students for Justice in Palestine

      ***

      Date: Thursday September 29, 2011

      Time: 7-9 pm

      Location: San Diego State University
      5500 Campanile Drive
      San Diego, CA 92182
      Communications building, room 105

      Campus map, directions & parking

      Description: Alison Weir will give a presentation on "Israel-Palestine: Behind the Headlines"

      Sponsored by Students for Justice in Palestine at SDSU
      (We realize that many of you may have no connection to this area, but we have included all of you so that we don’t miss any who do have such connections – or even who may be planning to travel to that area. Thanks for your understanding.)

      Thank you for your support and your commitment to peace and justice.

  • Border anxiety in the West Bank
    • And Memphis friends of mine who have been going over for over 20 years have stated that Israel has put many Palestinian Gandhis (non violent protest organizers) in prison for decades. Will ask names

    • Hedy. Love that woman. Strong, clear, so well spoken. Was able to get lots of journalist to interview her at the Move over Aipac protest across from the convention. Also some of the students from around the country who had their trips paid for by Aipac at the conference were able to talk with Hedy. Zing a ding ding

      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19044.htm
      Hedy Epstein: I have never felt such anger after what happened to me and the friend travelling with me at the Ben Gurion airport in January 2004.

      While on the plane, still full of rage, I wrote on every page in the magazines provided by the airline "I am a Holocaust survivor and I will 'never again' return to Israel." I sometimes pressed so hard on the paper with my pen, that I tore the page. It was one small way to vent some of my anger.

      After I returned home, still very angry, traumatized, I decided to get some counselling, which helped me to work through my anger and allowed me to plan my next trip back to the West Bank just a few months later, in the summer of 2004. I have been back every year since then, a total of five times since 2003. I have gone back because it is the right thing for me to do; to witness and to let the Palestinians know there are some people who care enough to come back and stand with them in their struggle against Israel's occupation. Palestinians have asked me upon my return home, to tell the American people what I have seen and experienced, because the American people don't know what is happening, because the media does not inform them. I made a commitment to do so and have taken every opportunity to honour this commitment.

      Silvia Cattori: What was your interpretation of the fact that the Israeli officers treated you in such a brutal way?

      Hedy Epstein: They tried to intimidate me, to silence me, hoping I would never come back. Though momentarily they may have succeeded, ultimately they did not. To quote General McArthur, an American army general, who said "I shall return", I have returned four times since the January 2004, event at the Tel Aviv airport, on my way back from Israeli occupied territory, and will continue to return. They will not be able to stop me. And, so, I plan to aboard ship to Gaza in a few months.

      Silvia Cattori: Was it not too traumatic for a sensitive person like you to go back to the West Bank and see the Isreali soldiers humiliating, threatening, killing, and destroying Palestinians lives and properties?

      Hedy Epstein: As an American I am a privileged person. I am very much aware of this and feel uncomfortable wearing this cloak, especially when I am in Palestine, conscious of the fact that I can come and go any time I want to, a privilege denied the Palestinians, who have great difficulty in moving from one place to another, restricted by road blocks, check points, the imprisoning 25 foot high wall, by young Israeli soldiers who can decide who can pass and who cannot, who can go to school, to the hospital, to work, to visit family and friends.

      I have seen the long lines of Palestinians at the Bethlehem checkpoint. I spoke to a 41 year old man, who told me he works three days a week; in order to get to work on time, he gets up at 2:30 A.M. and arrives at the checkpoint at 3:15 A.M. to wait in line, a long line, with others, for the checkpoint to open around 5:30 A.M. He has to come this early because many people line up. Sometimes the Israeli soldiers allow no one to go through. He would like to work full time, but there are no jobs in Bethlehem.

      During each of my five visits I have spent some time in Jerusalem. I have been painfully aware how increasingly its current size and boundaries share very little with the city's historic parameters, Israeli only settlements, such as Har Homa and Gilo are referred to as Jerusalem neighbourhoods. East Jerusalem is dotted with Israeli flags flying from homes from which Palestinians were "removed," thus judaizing the area more and more.

      During my last visit, in August 2007, I only had time for a brief visit with my dear Palestinian friend, and her husband in Ramallah. During prior visits, I and some of my American travel companions were their houseguests for several days, basking in their hospitality, typical Palestinian hospitality, which is unlike any other I have ever experienced anywhere. The wife, ever cheerful in the past, seemed downcast, though she did not complain, simply stating "Life is more difficult since my husband is no longer working." In a conversation later, alone with her husband, he stated that he left his job in order to go to school and study. There is truth in both statements, but the husband's comments reflect an effort to salvage and maintain some of his dignity.

    • uh oh lets not give Hophmi etc any ideas.

      Chomsky, Finkelstein not the only ones banned. What a democracy

      http://veteransforpeace.org/news_detail.php?idx=86
      Journalists who cover the flotilla's attempt to reach the Gaza strip will be denied entry to the country for 10 year, The National reported. The government press office released a statement that called the pro-Palestinian activists' actions "a dangerous provocation" and an "international violation of Israeli law."

    • think this might be the toughest interview I have heard. Movement based on facts. Oh yeah

    • Thanks
      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/44660796#44660796

      Great interview by Gregory. Bibi looked like a stone statue when Gregory "Turkey has turned against you" More isolated.

      Gregory "how can you occupy Palestinian territory at this point"

      Bibi keeps repeating the deep history hooey. As if Palestinians do not have a deep history. Watch that mans eyes, dart, shift, blink, dart shift shift, blink blink. Then he claims that his speech was "conciliatory"

      Really appreciated that David Gregory kept pounding "is the two state solution over" "no longer viable"

      Bill Clinton " he's (Netanyahu) not going to give up the West Bank"

      Ouch
      http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/bill-clinton-netanyahu-isn-t-interested-in-mideast-peace-deal-1.386222
      Published 09:50 23.09.11
      Latest update 09:50 23.09.11

      Bill Clinton: Netanyahu isn't interested in Mideast peace deal
      Former U.S. President says a cynical perspective of Prime Minister's calls for negotiations 'means that he's just not going to give up the West Bank'.
      By Haaretz Tags: Middle East peace Palestinian state West Bank Benjamin Netanyahu Mahmoud Abbas Barack Obama UN

      Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is responsible for the inability to reach a peace deal that would end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, former U.S. President Bill Clinton said on Thursday.

      Speaking on the sidelines of the Clinton Global Initiative conference in New York, the former U.S. president was quoted by Foreign Policy magazine as claiming that Netanyahu lost interest in the peace process as soon as two basic Israelis demands seemed to come into reach: a viable Palestinian leadership and the possibility of normalizing ties with the Arab world.
      Bill Clinton - Reuters - 22.9.2011

      Former U.S. President Bill Clinton speaking during the 2011 Clinton Global Citizen Award ceremony at the Clinton Global Initiative in New York September 22, 2011.
      Photo by: Reuters

      "The Israelis always wanted two things that once it turned out they had, it didn't seem so appealing to Mr. Netanyahu," Clinton said, adding that Israel wanted "to believe they had a partner for peace in a Palestinian government, and there's no question -- and the Netanyahu government has said -- that this is the finest Palestinian government they've ever had in the West Bank."

      Furthermore, the former U.S. president is quoted by Foreign Policy as saying that Israel was also on the verge of being recognized by Arab nations adding that the "king of Saudi Arabia started lining up all the Arab countries to say to the Israelis, ‘if you work it out with the Palestinians ... we will give you immediately not only recognition but a political, economic, and security partnership."

      "This is huge.... It's a heck of a deal," Clinton said, adding: "That's what happened. Every American needs to know this. That's how we got to where we are."

      "The real cynics believe that the Netanyahu's government's continued call for negotiations over borders and such means that he's just not going to give up the West Bank," he added.

      Clinton also said he felt the Palestinians would accept the deal rejected by former PA President Yasser Arafat in 2000 negotiations with then Prime Minister Ehud Barak, saying that Palestinian leaders "have explicitly said on more than one occasion that if [Netanyahu] put up the deal that was offered to them before -- my deal -- that they would take it."

    • Documenting. As well as always contacting these outlets and getting others to do the same.
      So happy I get under your skin. Not hard but will wear it as a badge of honor. But far more importantly I have found over and over again when you bring this issue up at their sites, emails, twitters, collective communication they start to bend. Know it works

    • He started with "of course it's been 63 years"
      "not in the near future" Then the interviewer challenges him about whether it will happen during his lifetime. This question seemed to shake Mitchell up a bit.

      Really did not say much. I kept sending the BBC emails (which I have had read on air, encourage others to do the same) asking the interviewer to ask George Mitchell why he quit, threw up his hands. Was it interference and undermining by Dennis Ross?

    • Listening to BBC. George Mitchell coming up on I/P non negotiations, Palestinian bid. Should be interesting

    • Ok right after the NPR interview with Erdogan they go right to an Iran story. Inferring once again that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. This has been NPR's strategy for several years now. Guy Raz and Scott Simons programs are especially obvious. If they get anywhere close to reporting honestly about the I/P conflict. They immediately do a story promoting someone (usually Jewish) who has written a book about the Holocaust or a story about the Holocaust...or focus on Iran

    • The other night on MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan when his team popped up a split screen of Abbas's speech at the UN the other screen showed Palestinians throwing some things. Of course did not choose to show peaceful Palestinian protest

    • Write your Reps folks demand that the US cut off aid to Israel. At the very least and demand that the US needs to demand that Israel identify how much US aid they use to build or expand illegal settlements, illegal housing or illegal sections of the wall built on internationally recognized Palestinian land.

      Sunday news morning news was loaded up with some honest coverage of the I/P conflict, Abbas bid at the UN. Refreshing.
      When you go to the GPS site war criminal Paul Wolfowitz on the front page. Have to go looking for Fareed Zakaria's interview with Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb_44XNqFeU

      Fareed's interview with Erdogan not on the front page of GPS (interesting, odd). You have to go searching
      http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/25/watch-gps-turkeys-prime-minister-on-relations-with-israel/?iref=allsearch

      On Christiane Amanpour's "This Week" she interviewed

      Not on the front page. Nothing about this interview on the front page
      http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/
      http://abcnews.go.com/watch/this-week/SH559082

      Interview with Hawan Ashawi. She lays it out. Gives this new path a few years then the two state solution is over.
      http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/interview-hanan-ashrawi-14601442
      http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/interview-hanan-ashrawi-14601442

      Wow even NPR interviewed Prime Minister Erdogan this morning. The interviewer David Greene tries to spin the Prime Ministers demands for accountability "inflammatory" Asked him if thought he might "regret" his comments? Have you ever heard any ANY US journalist ask Bibi these questions?
      http://www.npr.org/2011/09/26/140790657/turkeys-erdogan-blasts-syria-israel

    • Interesting views.

      Phil "We had to go around the Israeli settlements" Is there a reason you avoid saying ILLEGAL?

      Were all the roads you were on for Israeli's/visitors only? Are Palestinians (citizens of Israel)that live in Israel allowed to use the Israeli settler highways?

      I have been thinking about the term that you use a great deal "liberal Zionist" How can a person be both? From what I have read about the birth of Zionism it was always about getting all of the land that Zionist have determined belongs to them back.

  • Abbas at the United Nations a game changer? Maybe.
    • Agree with you about what she missed

      That is exactly why I linked these articles
      Hillary Mann Leverett, Professor Juan Cole, Zogby all on same page about Obama’s speech at UN
      Prof Cole on the same page
      link to juancole.com
      “But the biggest hypocrisy in Washington was reserved for the Palestinians, who labor under a repressive military occupation in the West Bank and are besieged and blockaded in Gaza. If anything they are far more deprived of basic political rights than the people in Egypt or Tunisia last year this time.

      But the Obama administration’s response to the bid of the Palestinians for membership in the United Nations has been to seek to forestall it, to strong-arm Mahmoud “Abu Mazen” Abbas, and to twist the arms of countries like Nigeria and Gabon to get them to vote against it.

      Obama’s argument, which simply echoes that of the Likud government in Israel is that the Palestine Authority is sidestepping the peace process by going to the UN. But that is a ridiculous proposition. There is no peace process. Obama failed to provide one. Thus, the Palestinians are wise to make an end run around the US in the region, since American policy toward the Palestinians has been since the time of Harry Truman to sacrifice them at the altar of US domestic politics (Truman pointed out that he had Jewish constituents, but no Palestinian ones to speak of). The Israel lobbies in the US are so powerful and successful that 81 congressmen spent some of their August recess in Israel!

      The Palestinians are stateless. They have no citizenship in anything. That is why the Oslo process could be short-circuited by Binyamin Netanyahu and why Israel could renege at will from all the commitments it had made to the Palestinians. It is why Palestinian land can be usurped at will by Israeli squatters on the West Bank.”

      This interview with Hillary Mann Leverett nails it
      link to raceforiran.com

      Zogby on Obama’s speech
      link to huffingtonpost.com

    • "Its got to be a real tangible fear of something far worse happening if there is a veto. "

      I think you have nailed it

    • Hillary Mann Leverett, Professor Juan Cole, Zogby all on same page about Obama's speech at UN
      Prof Cole on the same page
      http://www.juancole.com/
      “But the biggest hypocrisy in Washington was reserved for the Palestinians, who labor under a repressive military occupation in the West Bank and are besieged and blockaded in Gaza. If anything they are far more deprived of basic political rights than the people in Egypt or Tunisia last year this time.

      But the Obama administration’s response to the bid of the Palestinians for membership in the United Nations has been to seek to forestall it, to strong-arm Mahmoud “Abu Mazen” Abbas, and to twist the arms of countries like Nigeria and Gabon to get them to vote against it.

      Obama’s argument, which simply echoes that of the Likud government in Israel is that the Palestine Authority is sidestepping the peace process by going to the UN. But that is a ridiculous proposition. There is no peace process. Obama failed to provide one. Thus, the Palestinians are wise to make an end run around the US in the region, since American policy toward the Palestinians has been since the time of Harry Truman to sacrifice them at the altar of US domestic politics (Truman pointed out that he had Jewish constituents, but no Palestinian ones to speak of). The Israel lobbies in the US are so powerful and successful that 81 congressmen spent some of their August recess in Israel!

      The Palestinians are stateless. They have no citizenship in anything. That is why the Oslo process could be short-circuited by Binyamin Netanyahu and why Israel could renege at will from all the commitments it had made to the Palestinians. It is why Palestinian land can be usurped at will by Israeli squatters on the West Bank.”

      This interview with Hillary Mann Leverett nails it
      http://www.raceforiran.com/leadership-failure-hillary-mann-leverett-on-obama%E2%80%99s-historic-blunder-on-palestinian-statehood#comment-57481

      Zogby on Obama's speech
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/a-disturbing-and-dangerou_b_979002.html

      Interesting photo history. Only goes so far back
      http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/09/20/building_palestine

  • Harvard students: 'The decision to criminalize the Irvine 11 for their courageous action is an attack on all people who seek peace and justice in Israel/Palestine.'
    • pile on Hostage with gratitude

    • Over at Huff Po the moderator/filter situation over there is so inconsistent. The other night during a I/P debate I was getting links to Mondoweiss, If Americans Knew, Race For Iran, etc through.

      Was just over at Zogby's piece linking to Hillary Mann Leverett and Prof Coles pieces that totally line up with Zogby's the moderator not allowing the links to go through. Bet someone or many ones complained the other night. So inconsistent. Keep knocking

    • Harvard College Palestinian solidarity website is beautiful
      http://www.harvardpsc.com/

      Lots there

    • "Further, we call on students to redouble their Palestine solidarity efforts. This attack only reinforces the urgency of continuing to organize in support of equality, justice and freedom for Palestinians and all oppressed peoples."

      So so important the growth of this movement on college campuses. So important. Chills. Palestine solidarity groups, BDS, If Americans Knew...this movement keeps expanding

      From Hampshire to Evergreen, Harvard, Oberlin, Univ of Colorado
      http://mondoweiss.net/2009/09/campus-bds-movement-looks-to-grow-with-fall-conference.html
      http://www.bdsmovement.net/2011/doa-evergreen-college-759
      Day of Action
      Evergreen College students in vigil to demand divestment
      Posted on March 30, 2011 by http://www.tescdivest.org

      On March 28th, 2011, students and alumni at The Evergreen State College began a 62 hour Vigil for Human Rights by erecting an Israeli settlement. This is meant to demonstrate support for divestment from companies profiting off of the illegal occupation of Palestine, such as Caterpillar Inc. Former Evergreen student Rachel Corrie was run over and killed by an Israeli Army Caterpillar bulldozer while protecting a Palestinian home in Rafah, Palestine in 2003. The Corrie family is suing the Israeli government for damages in a civil trial commencing on April 3rd in Haifa District Court.

  • Obama approves secret sale of 'bunker buster' bombs to Israel
    • http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2011/09/23/nyt-israel-got-first-gbu-28-bunker-busters-in-2006/
      UPDATE** The link above is to a Jerusalem Post report from 23 September 2011, which is apparently quoting Eli Lake’s report rather than vice-versa. A fellow blogger notified me of the discrepancy, and I have determined that I presented the link in the above context in error. My apologies for that. For reporting integrity, I will leave the original as-is with this correction included. The NYT, UK Telegraph, and World Tribune reporting linked below remain unchanged and indicate that the first delivery of GBU-28s to Israel occurred in 2006.

      But according to the New York Times (among other sources), the first GBU-28s were delivered to Israel in 2006:

      The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, American officials said Friday. ….

      An announcement in 2005 that Israel was eligible to buy the “bunker buster” weapons described the GBU-28 as “a special weapon that was developed for penetrating hardened command centers located deep underground.” The document added, “The Israeli Air Force will use these GBU-28’s on their F-15 aircraft.”

      American officials said that once a weapons purchase is approved, it is up to the buyer nation to set up a timetable. But one American official said normal procedures usually do not include rushing deliveries within days of a request. That was done because Israel is a close ally in the midst of hostilities, the official said.

      Numerous other media sources discussed the GBU-28 sale at the time it was being negotiated and approved. (See here, here, and here to get you started.) The Pentagon proposed the sale to Congress in 2005, with – quite obviously – the full approval of the White House. Media reported on some of the original deliveries in 2006, which went through Scotland’s Prestwick Airport in July of that year.

      There was a January 2009 report of the Bush administration rebuffing a bunker-buster sale to Israel, but the GBU-28 sale was already concluded and underway. The Bush administration was reluctant, in 2008, to sell Israel another weapon, the GBU-39 small-diameter penetrator. But as Haaretz reported in September 2008, the Bush administration did eventually decide to sell Israel the GBU-39 (readable summary on the GBU-39 here; DOD notice of proposal for foreign military sale here). Haaretz’s reference to initial reluctance and delay on the sale appears to accord with the January 2009 report that the Bush administration had denied a bunker-buster sale to Israel in the previous year.

    • this is what I had read somewhere. Was that from Seymour Hersh

    • Zogby's take. He rips up Bibi as well as Obama's campaign speech

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/a-disturbing-and-dangerou_b_979002.html

      When Obama described the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in this 2011 speech, one could not help but note how different his presentation was from his two earlier addresses before the General Assembly (not to mention his stirring 2009 Cairo University address). The sufferings of the Jews and the insecurity of Israel were laid out in detail, without any mention of the trials and tribulations of the Palestinians. His single-minded embrace of the Israeli narrative was so convincing that Netanyahu awarded him "a badge of honor", while Israel's Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman enthusiastically announced that he would "sign on" to the speech "with both hands".

    • And please contact the Rachel Maddow show asking, demanding, begging that she continue to open up her program to real discussions about this issue. There is a crack in her wall of silence over there. She recently had former President Jimmy Carter on and he was again telling the world the truth about the illegal settlements. Let's keep pounding the MSM politely.

      Please...pretty please
      http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/23/7927483-ahead-on-the-923-maddow-show#comments

    • If you have not watched this interview with Hillary Mann Leverett on Al Jazeera. She nails Obama's speech at the UN. Really nails him
      Hillary Mann Leverett "Universal human rights that he supposedly stands for don't qualify for this category of people"

      Folks I know I am obsessive but would you do me a big favor and go over to Chris Matthews blog and pound on him a bit for having Israeli Ambassador Micheal Oren on and then not having a Palestinian Rep of any kind to share their views or a Reps views and some facts about the issue. We can knock down these walls of silence if we all push harder.

      Mention some specific guest

      Pllleeeeaaaassee.
      http://hardballblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/23/7926680-on-hardball-tonight-perry-flounders-in-gop-debate?threadId=3229718&commentId=58352705#c58352705

    • Must have been during the Bush administration. But swear someone was writing about bunker buster sales from the Obama administration to Israel soon after Obama was elected

      Israel Builds up its Stockpile of Deadly Military Hardware

      A massive buildup in military hardware has occurred in preparation for a possible attack on Iran.

      Israel has recently taken delivery from the US of some 5,000 "smart air launched weapons" including some 500 BLU 109 'bunker-buster bombs. The (uranium coated) munitions are said to be more than "adequate to address the full range of Iranian targets, with the possible exception of the buried facility at Natanz, which may require the [more powerful] BLU-113 bunker buster ":

      "Given Israel's already substantial holdings of such weapons, this increase in its inventory would allow a sustained assault with or without further US involvement." (See Richard Bennett, http://globalresearch.ca/articles/BEN501A.html )

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=66

    • "Commentary's Jonathan Tobin sees the leak of two-and-a-half-year-old news as part of the Obama administration's ongoing charm offensive to woo the Jewish community:"

      Someone wrote about these sales two years ago. We are going to hear the attack Iran drum beat ratcheted up times 10. As of late Dylan Ratigan has been pounding.

  • Outside the UN
    • I know. I was scrolling down and then came crashing down. Sure if Dersh comes here and I bet he does that makes him happy

    • that was my feeling. But hey letting people know who was there. He looks so happy

    • I have always thought and read that Australia usually votes with the US on Israeli issues. A switch here but in the past I think they are always on the Israeli boat
      http://www.smh.com.au/world/australia-abandons-israel-in-un-vote-20100228-pb70.html

      sounds like Australia have mixed up their votes

      "http://aijac.org.au/news/article/un-reformed
      "
      The record reveals that the Australian government, for the most part, continued to take a principled stand by voting “no” on many of these issues. Moreover, many of these votes occurred in December 2007, after Kevin Rudd and the ALP had already assumed government. These votes reflected no willingness by Australia to return to the tendency to vote reflexively the “European” way, as was explicit policy in the mid-1990s. At the same time, the decision of Australia’s UN delegation to either abstain or even vote “yes” on other resolutions, as well as the fact that Australia’s “no” votes have not proved a catalyst for enough other states to follow suit, demonstrates that there is still work to be done.

      Australia’s voting record on the remaining four resolutions was mixed. On a resolution demanding that Israel accept the applicability of the relevant Geneva Convention to the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, Australia abstained. (The resolution passed 169-6-3.) Australia then voted against two resolutions, one criticising Israeli settlement construction in East Jerusalem and demanding that Israel comply with the International Court of Justice’s non-binding 2004 advisory opinion related to the security fence; and another demanding that Israel take certain specific steps in the peace process, such as releasing all tax revenue due to the Palestinian Authority, implement the Rafah Crossing agreement, and stop work on the security fence. (Both resolutions passed, 165-7-5 and 156-7-11, respectively). However, Australia then voted in favour of a resolution calling on Israel to abide by Security Council resolutions related to the Golan Heights. That resolution passed by a vote of 164-1-10, with even the United States abstaining.

  • Breaking: 'Irvine 11' found guilty on two charges for protesting Michael Oren

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