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Kathleen

57 year old mother of three, activist, concerned citizen

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  • BDS interview fallout: Finkelstein 'showed his own fear of the paradigm shift in discourse on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict'
    • "Finkelstein’s comparison of BDS to his own youthful flirtation with Maoism isn’t simply insulting, it’s just plain stupid." I have never heard NF say something so "stupid"

    • "Does he really want to label those who lobby for equality a cult? The cult of equality? What’s next? The cult of freedom, justice and fairness?"

      He really did go overboard on this. Drawing parallels between his experience in his Maoist group to what is going on with BDS. Think it is interesting that NF was getting into Mao (Jesus Mary and Joseph how many people did Mao kill?) when many of us around NF and older were trying to follow the path of non violence that Gandhi, MLK, Mandela etc were carving out. Using those methods in the civil rights movement, anti Vietnam, Anti apartheid in SA and on and on and on.

      I just think the man is exasperated.

  • 'A level of racist violence I have never seen': UCLA professor Robin D. G. Kelley on Palestine and the BDS movement
    • what an informative and important post.

    • "I was in East Jerusalem, after the delegation, on my own, and staying at a Palestinian-owned hotel called the Jerusalem Hotel. And basically, in the Arab quarter near Salah ad-Din street and in this [area with] Palestinian markets. And I took a stroll up the hill, and found Jaffa road, and I couldn’t believe my eyes, it was like I was on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills, or the Grove in L.A. It was just the strangest thing to see the juxtaposition, of the largely Jewish and tourist center of commerce with all the chains here, Coffee Bean, Yogurt Land, jewelery, clothing, ATMs at every little corner, granite paved roads, and then of course running through the middle of Jaffa street is the illegal Jerusalem Light Rail system. So to recognize that this space is normalized, a Western so-called bureaucratic capitalist space, a space of high consumerism is an eight-minute walk from what is essentially a ghetto in an occupied territory. That, that to me is even more shocking then seeing 20-something year-old Israelis looking through people’s passports and IDs and deciding whether or not you’re a threat. To me, that emphasis on normalization is one of the more dangerous things, because if they succeed in convincing the world that this is not a state of war or occupation but rather this is really the heart of the kind of Western democracy that’s like the rest of the world, the Western world at least--then in some ways that’s how they try and win. And part of what the boycott does is it delegitimizes the claim that this is a normal situation. It’s not a normal situation, it’s a settler-colonial situation, a situation of oppression."

      It is systematic apartheid. Know exactly what they are trying to do.

  • In photos: PennBDS
  • Rudoren responds to the Twitter kerfuffle
  • New 'NYT' bureau chief Jodi Rudoren faces outcry from Israel advocates over Twitter messages
    • "Yesterday, Rudoren sent the Electronic Intifada's Ali Abunimah a Twitter message after Abunimah criticized past NYT coverage of Palestine and the fact that she "will get to move into this lovely property stolen from Palestinians in 1948." Rudoren wrote: "@AliAbunimah Hey there. Would love to chat sometime. About things other than the house. My friend Kareem Fahim says good things." This message got her into trouble, which is revealing in and of itself."

      Very bad way to start out. So much for Ruderons integrity. "will get to move into this lovely property stolen from Palestinians in 1948"

  • Out of the Ballpark: Susan Abulhawa's speech to the PennBDS conference
    • Love NF's commitment to justice for all. A real humanitarian. Another individual with heavy residual trauma from the Holocaust capable of examining his own families trauma. Then he moves over that trauma reaches deeper and feels compassion and a desire for justice for the Palestinians and it seems his beloved Israel. He really seems to feel a genuine connection to Israel based on the 48/67 border while applying both his intellect, heart and soul to the situation that Israel's continuous illegal expansion has put the Palestinians in.

      I do think NF went over the top with calling the BDS movement a cult. Comparing it to his Maoist club experience to the development of the BDS movement. Made some great points as he always does about focusing on the facts, the law issues that are easily defended.

      To think that this has always been NF's focus "the law" and he lost a job, has basically been persecuted by the I lobby and Israel, and is now banned from Israel for talking about the LAW.

    • Dershowitz even interrupts the moderator

    • This short of the Abulhawa/Dersh debate. At 12:oo is outstanding

    • DABASHI: No. I have no doubt that Islamic Republic can do any number of things. But one of the things that the official Islamic republics are saying is that the information that they give to IAEA actually ends up with Mossad, and as a result puts their nuclear scientists in danger. And given the fact that their nuclear scientists keep being assassinated, you know, you cannot blame them to be secretive or stingy in giving of the information.

    • Hamid Dabashi says that much of the information that Iranian officials give to the IAEA ends up with Mossad

    • link to therealnews.com

      Why Demand Nuclear Transparency from Iran and Not Israel?

      Hamid Dabashi: People should demand a nuclear weapons free region that starts with Israel and Pakistan

    • Annie think you and others might be interested

      Could Lieberman Bill Block War-Averting Diplomacy With Iran?
      Wednesday 15 February 2012
      link to truth-out.org
      "There's no question that some people in Washington would very much like for the US to have a policy toward Iran, the endgame of which is war or externally induced regime change. And they have a long-term strategy to bring this about, which is to block efforts at meaningful diplomacy, so that the only thing left on the table is war or externally induced regime change.

      Now, according to reports from DC, come Joe Lieberman and Lindsay Graham with a new bill. What does their bill seek to do? According to reports from people who have seen the draft bill, in its current form, it seeks to block the president from having a policy to "contain" Iran if it develops nuclear weapons capability."

      LAST PARAGRAPH IN PIECE

      "Something to watch: what New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand does, because she supported Lieberman in December in insisting that no diplomatic effort was acceptable that allowed Iran to continue enriching uranium. So, if I'm Lieberman, Gillibrand is my next Democratic target in the effort to block President Obama from pursuing meaningful diplomacy to prevent war."

      On Hardball tonight Chris Matthews shows a clip of Gillibrand today saying that "Iran is threatening the US"
      "Iran proclaims nuclear advances"...Listen to Gillibrand sounds like she is ready to go to Iran
      link to msnbc.msn.com
      link to msnbc.msn.com

    • link to bdsmovement.net

      some of us have been working on college campuses for years. It's happenning
      link to bdsearlham.wordpress.com
      link to palestinesolidaritythailand.org

      link to bdsmovement.net
      link to bdsmovement.net
      link to trcb.com
      link to vivapalestina-my.org
      link to psnedmonton.ca

      link to thejewishweek.com
      Clearly not scientific
      Just a few years ago when you would google Boycott, Sanctions and Divestment actions you would just get a few pages up. Now you get up to 56 or so before there is even one link to a complaint about the movement

      link to bdsmovement.net

    • the Israeli apartheid dragon...

    • the BDS movement is growing by leaps and bounds.

    • Thanks so much Annie for posting that.

    • Watched all. Out of the park over and over again. Great, clear summary. Have never seen those particular clips. Will never forget when I read about the JA's acquisition (stealing) of Palestinian lands 20 some odd years ago in some of Said's writings and elsewhere and how they protected that land from ever being sold or taken back and how it could only be put to use by Jews. Systematic apartheid system for sure. Really out of the park

  • Happy Valentines Day: Anonymous takes down web sites for tear gas company and Bahrain government
    • Non violent. But if they get caught their asses will get kicked raw.

      Tonight on NPR's All Things Considerd. Robert Siegel had Jeffrey Goldberg on to discuss Iran . You know how Siegel is always looking for diversity of opinion and all

      Goldberg spun the story that Iran has refused to negotiate (which we know is untrue) and that they might actually be saying "we're actually going to negotiate" Siegel and Goldberg team up again to promote more aggression towards Iran

      Both Siegel and Goldberg went on an on about Netanyahu claiming that Iran tried to assassinate Israeli diplomats in India and is it Jordan. Then they also say that Iranians say that Israel is responsible for the killing of Iranian scientist. What Siegel and Goldberg fail to mention is that US OFFICIALS HAVE REPORTED TO RICHARD ENGEL THAT THEY KNOW " Deadly attacks on Iranian nuclear scientists are being carried out by an Iranian dissident group that is financed, trained and armed by Israel’s secret service, U.S. officials tell NBC News, confirming charges leveled by Iran’s leaders."

      link to rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com

      Nope nope nope sure not hearing anything about this on NPR's All things considered. here is the link

      "Bangkok Bombings fuel Israel Iran Tensions"
      link to npr.org

  • Norman Finkelstein slams the BDS movement calling it 'a cult'
    • wonder why NF wanted the you tube video pulled. Nice of Frank Barat to be so accomadating

    • "I was a teenage Maoist" sounds like the name of a rap band or a movie

      Comparing his Maoist group when he was a young whipper snapper to the BDS movement is kind of pathetic.

      ” Revolution is not a dinner party, nor an essay, nor a painting, nor a piece of embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.
      — Mao Zedong [19][20]”

      HOW MANY PEOPLE DID MAO HAVE KILLED
      “Along with land reform, during which significant numbers of landlords and well-to-do peasants were beaten to death at mass meetings organized by the Communist Party as land was taken from them and given to poorer peasants,[34] there was also the Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries,[35] which involved public executions targeting mainly former Kuomintang officials, businessmen accused of “disturbing” the market, former employees of Western companies and intellectuals whose loyalty was suspect.[36] The U.S. State department in 1976 estimated that there may have been a million killed in the land reform, 800,000 killed in the counterrevolutionary campaign.[37]

      Mao himself claimed that a total of 700,000 people were executed during the years 1949–53.[38] However, because there was a policy to select “at least one landlord, and usually several, in virtually every village for public execution”,[39] the number of deaths range between 2 million[39][40] and 5 million.[41][42] In addition, at least 1.5 million people,[43] perhaps as many as 4 to 6 million,[44] were sent to “reform through labour” camps where many perished.[44] Mao played a personal role in organizing the mass repressions and established a system of execution quotas,[45] which were often exceeded.[35] He defended these killings as necessary for the securing of power.[46]”

      Not sure I would be proud of that. And comparing BDS to his Mao group makes no sense at all.

      NF and I are close to the same age. When he was in his Mao group I as well as millions of others were committed to the non violence strategies of Gandhi and then MLK involved with civil rights, then anti war in Vietnam, then anti apartheid. Millions of us tried like hell to follow in Gandhis, MLK, Mandela's lead
      . Mao’s strategies were not non violent and sure not attractive to me. Comparing BDS to his Maoist group was silly

    • You mean like the Gandhian movement, the civil rights movement, the anti apartheid in South Africa movement? Or just the BDS movement?

    • Will Hophmi answer these questions?

    • I think Finkelsteins main points were clearly right on. Focus on the law that applies both to Palestine and Israel.

      But he does go overboard trying to link his young experience with a Maoist group to what is happening within the BDS movement. Then he goes onto say that "there is large segment of the movement, component of the movement that wants to eliminate Israel.”

      He changes that "large segment" to "component of the movement" Which is it and who is this "component of the movement" that wants to eliminate Israel? Seems inflammatory unless he can be specific

    • my response was to Hophmi's comment. Should have pointed that out

    • Good point but look above dimadok supports what Finkelstein said in the clip

      "dimadok says:
      February 14, 2012 at 7:33 pm

      Honest and strong wording. Good one, Mr. Finkelstein.
      Reply

      Kathleen says:
      February 14, 2012 at 9:07 pm

      Dimadok “honest and strong wording.”

      Glad you agree with Finkelstein here

      Finkelstein : “All I want to do is enforce the law” ” law is clear… The settlements are ILLEGAL That is correct. East Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian territory. That is correct. The West Bank and Gaza are occupied Palestinian territory. That is correct. But it’s also correct that Israel is a state. That is also the law”

      Too bad he does not say Israel is recognized as a state based on the 67 border

      Dimadok "HONEST AND STRONG WORDING" Supporting that the settlements are ILLEGAL as well as the housing in E Jerusalem

    • That was a stupid remark when a real discussion is going on. So unnecessary.

    • Witty and eee have not been around for awhile. MW went through a restructuring awhile back. Kicked some folks off I believe.
      Reasons why
      link to mondoweiss.net

    • Keep pushing

    • Amazing how Israel is more than willing to go along with those resolutions yet continue to add more territory through stealing but continues to be in violation of more US resolutions than any other state

      link to foreignpolicyjournal.com

    • I know that is what he means. Think he should say it. Just as he demands that the BDS movement state that they recognize that Israel is a state...Israel exists. Based on the 67 border

    • Link? Proof? Not...

    • great points

    • If BDS would focus on the International laws concerning the I/P issue both states are supported. And as NF states you can defend that stance nationally and internationally

    • NF has never said "right to exist". He has said "Israel exists" I believe he should always add based on the internationally recognized 67 border

    • Now I get the point that NF is making that by demanding that 6 million Palestinians have the right of return (which is never going to happen) BDS is essentially asking for the end of Israel according to him.

      But what I am wondering is if anyone in the BDS movement has heard anyone say that they would like to see an end to Israel based on the internationally recognized borders?

    • "As for the endless references of everybody on this page and the Solidarity Movement to South Africa, the BDS movement was actually in line with opinion when it started as an international movement in the late 70s and early 80s. South Africa in the late 50s was held in the same regard as Israeli is today but it wasn’t until the 80s that public opinion allowed BDS to be successful."

      Such a great point. Follow that non violent stance from Gandhian influence from India to South Africa to Civil rights movement to anti war movement and on and on. NON VIOLENCE. Sounds like NF was studying Mao's strategy when millions of us were studying and following Gandhi's methods.

      His effort to draw parallels between the "cult" he felt he was in way back when to what is going on in the BDS movement seems like a stretch

    • "But sometimes it’s the only thing that can help snap the insane back into reality. I honestly can’t think of much else that would allay the looming disaster." Insightful.

    • "i would support two states if israel would start by defining those borders. it won’t." You cannot have Israel defining those borders if you are talking about following international law as Finkelstein keeps hammering on. Those borders are all ready defined and internationally recognized.

      Norman harps on let them organize there and we should organize here. But Norman seems to have difficulty working with others...really does seem to have a problem. Within any group there is no way one will get everything one things is right.

      And if one (Norman) is not willing to work with in a group that you partially agree with : Finkelstein: 19:oo ” I said clearly. I said I think the solidarity movement has the right tactics. I support the BDS." then what alternative does he provide or suggest? This is NF's weak area. If he is not willing to work within BDS to strengthen the areas that he agrees with "tactics" and change the areas he disagrees with, define the goals etc. Then again WHAT DOES HE PROVIDE AS AN ALTERNATIVE?

      That comparison to his Maoist group when he was a young whipper snapper is kind of pathetic.

      " Revolution is not a dinner party, nor an essay, nor a painting, nor a piece of embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another.
      — Mao Zedong [19][20]"

      HOW MANY PEOPLE DID MAO HAVE KILLED
      "Along with land reform, during which significant numbers of landlords and well-to-do peasants were beaten to death at mass meetings organized by the Communist Party as land was taken from them and given to poorer peasants,[34] there was also the Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries,[35] which involved public executions targeting mainly former Kuomintang officials, businessmen accused of "disturbing" the market, former employees of Western companies and intellectuals whose loyalty was suspect.[36] The U.S. State department in 1976 estimated that there may have been a million killed in the land reform, 800,000 killed in the counterrevolutionary campaign.[37]

      Mao himself claimed that a total of 700,000 people were executed during the years 1949–53.[38] However, because there was a policy to select "at least one landlord, and usually several, in virtually every village for public execution",[39] the number of deaths range between 2 million[39][40] and 5 million.[41][42] In addition, at least 1.5 million people,[43] perhaps as many as 4 to 6 million,[44] were sent to "reform through labour" camps where many perished.[44] Mao played a personal role in organizing the mass repressions and established a system of execution quotas,[45] which were often exceeded.[35] He defended these killings as necessary for the securing of power.[46]"

      Not sure I would be proud of that. And comparing BDS to his Mao group makes no sense at all.

      NF and I are close to the same age. When he was in his Mao group I as well as millions of others were committed to the non violence strategies of Gandhi and then MLK followed in Gandhi's footsteps. Mao's strategies were never very attractive to me.

    • Some great points Cliff. Although Finkelstein has sacrificed a great deal for his stance. Lost jobs, not able to get in Israel. The amazing thing and it shows what the Palestinians, BDS etc are up against. Finkelstein says focus on the ICC's decisions, focus on the law. And he loses jobs, is harassed, targeted by Israel and the I lobby, not allowed into Israel. And he has a totally reasonable argument.

      I do sense from the above interview more like a lecture by Finkelstein that he is very worried about the two state solution being a solution. Israel continues to do as they please with total disregard for the Palestinians, for the law, for the national security of the US and really for their own national security. Digging their own hole.

      Ever notice how Finkelstein never ever brings up how Israel's continual expansion of illegal settlements in the West Bank and illegal housing in E Jerusalem is now being brought up as a very serious national security for the US. Most of us are aware that this has been a US national security issue for a very long time but now big shots and intelligence officers are saying it out loud. Even in the 9/11 commisions report. Finkelstein never ever brings this up

    • that would be ironic

    • I believe Finkelstein got into a match of some kind with Medea Benjaman about tactics. What I want to know from Finkelstein is why he has not tried to organize marches, rallies, lobbying efforts to focus on the International law points that he so articulately points out. He could make a mission statement...I agree generally with most of what he has to say. I would come to a rally organized by him

    • I think this is the strongest part of the interview:
      Finkelstein: 19:oo ” I said clearly. I said I think the solidarity movement has the right tactics. I support the BDS. But I said it will never reach a broad public until and unless they are explicit on their goal. And their goal has to include recognition of Israel. Or it is a non starter. It will not reach the public. Because the moment you go out there Israel will start to say what about us? They will not recognition our right. And in fact that is correct. You can’t answer the Israeli’s on that. Because they are making a statement that is factually correct. It’s not an accident. An unwitting omission that BDS does not mention Israel. You know that and I know that. It’s not like they are like oh we forgot to mention it. They won’t mention it because they know it will split the movement. Cause there is large segment of the movement, component of the movement that wants to eliminate Israel.”

      Finkelstein quickly changes that claim that there is “large segment of the movement” to a “component of the movement”

      How many people have heard anyone in the BDS movement saying they want to eliminate Israel. Do like that he says Israel exists, and not the “right to exist” Surprised that he does not add recognize Israel based on the 67 border.

      I am just wondering how much he is inflaming this idea that a "component of the movement" do not want Israel to exist?

    • "not too late to get him for the Aipac conf" funny

    • Dimadok "honest and strong wording."

      Glad you agree with Finkelstein here

      Finkelstein : "All I want to do is enforce the law" " law is clear... The settlements are ILLEGAL That is correct. East Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian territory. That is correct. The West Bank and Gaza are occupied Palestinian territory. That is correct. But it's also correct that Israel is a state. That is also the law"

      Too bad he does not say Israel is recognized as a state based on the 67 border

    • “He ignores the fact that the international consensus and the international verdict is also 45 years old and that hasn’t changed anything on the ground. ”
      yeah clearly Finkelstein is frustrated.
      One can only imagine how frustrated Palestinians ” languishing in ever shrinking bantustans behind barbed wire and walls” are.

    • "He ignores the fact that the international consensus and the international verdict is also 45 years old and that hasn’t changed anything on the ground. "
      yeah clearly Finkelstein is frustrated.
      One can only imagine how frustrated Palestinians " languishing in ever shrinking bantustans behind barbed wire and walls" are.

    • "and goes to great lengths to belittle it as a “cult” he sure does that.

      Who is aware of anyone including Finkelstein organizing marches, etc focused on the International law having to do with the I/P issue.? I would show up

    • thank you for quoting that. I could not remember where I heard or read it. Back in the build up to the invasion of Iraq. And it is the truth. Because they are pushing hard for Iran. Who do you think that aide was? Or official...sounds like a Feith, Bolton, Libby, Hadley? Wish Susskind would have put the finger on who said that

    • Something that both sides especially the Palestinians say "we can live with it"

      Would be something if Obama ever took on Finkelstein as an adviser. The I lobby and Israel would go ape shit. I think the guy is fair even though he does his own inflating in places. But just as he claims that a "component of the BDS movement" that want Israel to cease to exist (have never heard or seen that written anywhere). But clearly he feels that is implied by the demands. Israel and the I lobby want a greater Israel and are never going to as he said 'will never give them (the Palestinians) anything"

    • "I think the title of this post, through omission, distorts the content and tone of Finkelstein’s remarks." I agree.

      Although he does say that the BDS folks are in a "ghetto, a cult"

      He says the solidarity movement "means are correct"

      I think Finkelstien fears that the two state solution is dying. "do we want to build a movement or create a cult" He says so many times I lost count. I think he sees the BDS movement taking off and is clearly troubled by it.

      He is and has been focused on the International law and that makes sense. But as he said "the Israeli's will never give them anything" Finkelstein "unless you have the force to extract" Where is that force? Ok he keeps saying that it is the mobilization of the Palestinian people. So what is his recommendation for organizing when Israel puts Palestinian organizers in prison.

      He goes on to talk about "inflating the issues" It is tough to believe that "he always" hears that people in the solidarity movement demand the return of "6 million Palestinians" He ALWAYS hears this. Just do not believe this. Seems like a bit of inflating going on there. Always? Really Norm? Always?

      I think this is the strongest part of the interview:
      Finkelstein: 19:oo " I said clearly. I said I think the solidarity movement has the right tactics. I support the BDS. But I said it will never reach a broad public until and unless they are explicit on their goal. And their goal has to include recognition of Israel. Or it is a non starter. It will not reach the public. Because the moment you go out there Israel will start to say what about us? They will not recognition our right. And in fact that is correct. You can't answer the Israeli's on that. Because they are making a statement that is factually correct. It's not an accident. An unwitting omission that BDS does not mention Israel. You know that and I know that. It's not like they are like oh we forgot to mention it. They won't mention it because they know it will split the movement. Cause there is large segment of the movement, component of the movement that wants to eliminate Israel."

      Finkelstein quickly changes that claim that there is "large segment of the movement" to a "component of the movement"

      How many people have heard anyone in the BDS movement saying they want to eliminate Israel. Do like that he says Israel exists, and not the "right to exist" Surprised that he does not add recognize Israel based on the 67 border.

      My sense is that Finkelstein is fearful that BDS is growing. He tries hard to be dismissive. But BDS is growing and he does not like it. I think he is truly afraid for Israel. I agree that BDS should recognize Israel based on the 67 border.

      OK so if Finkelstein organizes marches rallies here in the states focused on the International law having to do with this situation. He basically ends saying that if things were done fairly Israel would cease to exist.

    • "then we cannot disavow Israel’s right to exist." Finkelstein did not say Israel has the right to exist. He said "Israel is a state..that is the law" Israel based on the 67 border

  • You won't have Ethan Bronner to kick around anymore . . .
    • Lots in the MSM about Netanyahu's claims that the attacks on Israeli diplomats was as he claims Iran...but nothing about US officials confirming that Israel hired, trained MEK to assassinate Iranian scientist. Nothing about Richard Engels report that US officials have confirmed this

      Mark Perry..

      link to foreignpolicy.com

      False Flag
      A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.
      BY MARK PERRY | JANUARY 13, 2012

      link to theatlantic.com
      Israel and Proxy Terrorism
      By Robert Wright

      Buried deep in the archives of America's intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush's administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives -- what is commonly referred to as a "false flag" operation

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      link to rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com

      Israel teams with terror group to kill Iran's nuclear scientists, U.S. officials tell NBC News

      link to rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com

      Thu Feb 9, 2012 5:16 AM CST

      By Richard Engel and Robert Windrem
      NBC News

      Updated: 11:14 a.m. ET -- Deadly attacks on Iranian nuclear scientists are being carried out by an Iranian dissident group that is financed, trained and armed by Israel’s secret service, U.S. officials tell NBC News, confirming charges leveled by Iran’s leaders.

      ROCK CENTER EXCLUSIVE

      The group, the People’s Mujahedin of Iran, has long been designated as a terrorist group by the United States, accused of killing American servicemen and contractors in the 1970s and supporting the takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran before breaking with the Iranian mullahs in 1980.

      The attacks, which have killed five Iranian nuclear scientists since 2007 and may have destroyed a missile research and development site, have been carried out in dramatic fashion, with motorcycle-borne assailants often attaching small magnetic bombs to the exterior of the victims’ cars.

      U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Obama administration is aware of the assassination campaign but has no direct involvement.

      The Iranians have no doubt who is responsible – Israel and the People’s Mujahedin of Iran, known by various acronyms, including MEK, MKO and PMI.

      Feb 13 2012, 8:43 AM ET 83

      Should Israel be classified as a state sponsor of terrorism? That question is being debated in the wake of a story that NBC News broke late last week.

      Citing unnamed US officials, NBC reported that Israel has used an Iranian opposition group to carry out those much-publicized assassinations of Iranian scientists. The group in question is the M.E.K. (Mojahedin-e Khalq, or People’s Mujahedin of Iran), which since 1997 has been designated a terrorist group by the United States because of its alleged assassinations of US citizens.

      The argument for considering Israel a supporter of terrorism comes in two varieties:

      1) According to NBC, Israel gives the M.E.K. the funding, training, and weapons to carry out the assassinations–and that would seem to constitute support for a terrorist group.

      2) Leaving aside the M.E.K. involvement, there’s the argument that the assassinations inherently constitute terrorism. Andrew Sullivan and Kevin Drum had previously suggested that whoever is behind the assassinations is committing terrorism, but this NBC story is the first mainstream media corroboration of the widespread suspicion that Israel is behind them.

      After the NBC story broke, Paul Pillar, a former CIA official who teaches at Georgetown, dusted off the definition of terrorism used by the US government for purposes of keeping statistics: “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.” That, says Pillar, is what these assassinations are.

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      Israel, MEK and state sponsor of Terror groups

      The link
      link to salon.com

      “One of the most under-reported political stories of the last year is the devoted advocacy of numerous prominent American political figures on behalf of an Iranian group long formally designated as a Terrorist organization under U.S. law. A large bipartisan cast has received substantial fees from that group, the Mojahedin-e Khalq (MEK), and has then become their passionate defenders. The group of MEK shills includes former top Bush officials and other Republicans (Michael Mukasey, Fran Townsend, Andy Card, Tom Ridge, Rudy Giuliani) as well as prominent Democrats (Howard Dean, Ed Rendell, Bill Richardson, Wesley Clark). As The Christian Science Monitor reported last August, those individuals “have been paid tens of thousands of dollars to speak in support of the MEK.” No matter what one thinks of this group – here is a summary of its activities – it is formally designated as a Terrorist group and it is thus a felony under U.S. law to provide it with any “material support.”

      No need to wonder why so many of our congress folks,Dean and others were pushing several months to get MEK off of the US terrorist list. Wonder why Greenwald refers to MEK as being “formally designated” as a terrorist group?

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      link to theatlantic.com

      Israel and Proxy Terrorism

      By Robert Wright

      Feb 13 2012, 8:43 AM ET171

      Should Israel be classified as a state sponsor of terrorism? That question is being debated in the wake of a story that NBC News broke late last week.

      Citing unnamed US officials, NBC reported that Israel has used an Iranian opposition group to carry out those much-publicized assassinations of Iranian scientists. The group in question is the M.E.K. (Mojahedin-e Khalq, or People's Mujahedin of Iran), which since 1997 has been designated a terrorist group by the United States because of its alleged assassinations of US citizens.

      The argument for considering Israel a supporter of terrorism comes in two varieties:

      1) According to NBC, Israel gives the M.E.K. the funding, training, and weapons to carry out the assassinations--and that would seem to constitute support for a terrorist group.

      2) Leaving aside the M.E.K. involvement, there's the argument that the assassinations inherently constitute terrorism. Andrew Sullivan and Kevin Drum had previously suggested that whoever is behind the assassinations is committing terrorism, but this NBC story is the first mainstream media corroboration of the widespread suspicion that Israel is behind them.

      After the NBC story broke, Paul Pillar, a former CIA official who teaches at Georgetown, dusted off the definition of terrorism used by the US government for purposes of keeping statistics: "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents." That, says Pillar, is what these assassinations are.

      The counter-arguments have tended not to be big on legalisms. There is the "Look who's talking" argument. "Isn't Iran itself the leading exporter of terrorism in the world?" asks The New York Post. And there's the argument that Iran is an existential threat to Israel and therefore all is fair. "Israel is entirely justified in using whatever means it has to prevent Khameini's government from achieving its genocidal ends," writes Jonathan Tobin in Commentary.

      Daniel Larison, writing in The American Conservative, was aghast at Tobin's argument: "In other words, Israeli state sponsorship of a terrorist group is acceptable because it's in a good cause."

      This whole issue is in one sense moot. Adding a country to the list of states that sponsor terrorism requires executive branch initiative. And unless I'm misreading the political winds, placing Israel alongside Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism isn't high on President Obama's list of election-year priorities.What's more, strict and consistent enforcement of America's anti-terrorism laws could raise uncomfortable questions about some of America's drone strikes.

      Still, there may be some consequential fallout.

      There has been a movement afoot to "de-list" the M.E.K.--to remove it from America's list of terrorist groups on the grounds that it has renounced violence and, anyway, hasn't killed an American in a long time. This argument gets made mainly by Americans who support bombing Iran or even engineering regime change--a project the M.E.K. would love to abet. (A few other high-profile Americans have signed on to the de-list-the-M.E.K. cause, but as The Christian Science Monitor reported, they have shown a tendency to get paid tens of thousands of dollars for the speeches in which they express their newfound yet heartfelt sympathy for the M.E.K.)

      As Glenn Greenwald wrote in Salon, the NBC report should, if nothing else, "completely gut the effort to remove the M.E.K. from the list of designated terrorist groups; after all, murdering Iran's scientists through the use of bombs and guns is a defining act of a terror group, at least as U.S. law attempts to define the term."

    • Will read it in a bookstore or coffee shop if someone has left it behind. Pull it out of a trash bin. Will never give that bloody war machine paper another dime. Never

    • Glenn Greenwald has a great one up
      link to salon.com

      U.S. media takes the lead on Iran
      “I used to find somewhat baffling this bizarre aspect of American public opinion: time and again, Americans support whatever new war of aggression their government proposes, then come to regret that support and decide the war was a “mistake,” only to demonstrate that they learned no lessons from their “mistake” by eagerly supporting whatever the next proposed war is. Thus did the widespread belief that Vietnam was a “mistake” have no impact on their support for the attack on Iraq, and now — with some polls showing Americans, before their government even proposes it, preliminarily willing to cheer on an attack on Iran — it is clear they have learned nothing from their acknowledged “mistake” in supporting the attack on Iraq. Most Americans continue with this strange mindset: we realize we were wrong to support those past wars you gave us, but we stand ready and eager to support this next one!”

      Call your Reps…No war on Iran…

    • Max Blumenthal and the Mondo team deserve a round of applause
      link to maxblumenthal.com

      Just hope Ruderon has her integrity in tact

    • Hopefully the NYT's coverage of I/P issues do not go from bad to worse. Never pay a dime for that bloody rag. Read it periodically picking it up where someone leaves it behind...but after allowing Judy "I was fucking right" Miller to print any unsupported claim about Iraq that she could come up with and now their clear push for a confrontation with Iran. No way will I ever spend a penny on that bloody paper. They are drowning in the Iraqi peoples blood and they clearly don't give a rats ass

  • Dying to live: A hunger striker speaks in Gaza
  • Israel bulldozes Palestinian community center, making way for a 'City of David' visitor center
    • The arrogance, the crimes of the Israeli government committed against the Palestinian people has no bounds. What we will not be seeing on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News

    • Israel and Proxy Terrorism
      By Robert Wright

      Feb 13 2012, 8:43 AM ET 82

      Should Israel be classified as a state sponsor of terrorism? That question is being debated in the wake of a story that NBC News broke late last week.

      link to theatlantic.com

      Friday, Feb 10, 2012 8:59 AM Eastern Standard Time
      Israel, MEK and state sponsor of Terror groups
      link to salon.com
      One of the most under-reported political stories of the last year is the devoted advocacy of numerous prominent American political figures on behalf of an Iranian group long formally designated as a Terrorist organization under U.S. law. A large bipartisan cast has received substantial fees from that group, the Mojahedin-e Khalq (MEK), and has then become their passionate defenders. The group of MEK shills includes former top Bush officials and other Republicans (Michael Mukasey, Fran Townsend, Andy Card, Tom Ridge, Rudy Giuliani) as well as prominent Democrats (Howard Dean, Ed Rendell, Bill Richardson, Wesley Clark). As The Christian Science Monitor reported last August, those individuals “have been paid tens of thousands of dollars to speak in support of the MEK.” No matter what one thinks of this group – here is a summary of its activities – it is formally designated as a Terrorist group and it is thus a felony under U.S. law to provide it with any “material support.”

      Iranian group's big-money push to get off US terrorist list

      SPECIAL INVESTIGATION: A roster of influential former US officials is speaking at rallies in support of removing the MEK, an Iranian opposition group with a violent anti-American history, from the US terrorist list. A decision is expected within weeks.
      link to csmonitor.com

  • UN official condemns Israel's 'strategy of Judaization' throughout Israel/Palestine
    • link to theatlantic.com
      Israel and Proxy Terrorism
      By Robert Wright

      Feb 13 2012, 8:43 AM ET 83

      Should Israel be classified as a state sponsor of terrorism? That question is being debated in the wake of a story that NBC News broke late last week.

      Citing unnamed US officials, NBC reported that Israel has used an Iranian opposition group to carry out those much-publicized assassinations of Iranian scientists. The group in question is the M.E.K. (Mojahedin-e Khalq, or People’s Mujahedin of Iran), which since 1997 has been designated a terrorist group by the United States because of its alleged assassinations of US citizens.

      The argument for considering Israel a supporter of terrorism comes in two varieties:

      1) According to NBC, Israel gives the M.E.K. the funding, training, and weapons to carry out the assassinations–and that would seem to constitute support for a terrorist group.

      2) Leaving aside the M.E.K. involvement, there’s the argument that the assassinations inherently constitute terrorism. Andrew Sullivan and Kevin Drum had previously suggested that whoever is behind the assassinations is committing terrorism, but this NBC story is the first mainstream media corroboration of the widespread suspicion that Israel is behind them.

      After the NBC story broke, Paul Pillar, a former CIA official who teaches at Georgetown, dusted off the definition of terrorism used by the US government for purposes of keeping statistics: “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.” That, says Pillar, is what these assassinations are.

    • And nothing will be done

  • One-State conference at Harvard - March 3 & 4, 2012
    • Whoa what an incredible speaker line up. Sure is looking like the one state solution is the only solution. Israel has basically wiped out the possibility of a two state solution based on the 67 border.

      Ahmed is there any way to summarize the reasoning behind a push for a one state solution in a sentence or two?

  • Husband of 'NYT' Jerusalem correspondent calls for attack on Iran
    • "Notice the sloppy thinking-- that Iran is threatening America with nukes, threatening a world war."

      This is what is happening now the neo cons, Gingrich, Elliot Abrams repeating that Iran wants to attack the US. The other day on Washington Journal they referred to a poll taken asking Americans how many of them would support an attack on Iran. 48/49%. This is after the public has been hit by endless and unsubstantiated claims being repeated about Iran. If they take it up a notch and start repeating that Iran wants to attack the US they might just be able to tip the lets go get them scales over the 50% mark. The stage is being set

  • AIPAC member identified as Abileah assailant during Netanyahu speech to Congress
    • Medea is a force of nature. Like a strong wind! So glad she took up the justice in Palestine issue along with her focus on so many other human rights issues

    • And then to take a stand after experiencing such traumas in her own life. Gives me chills, makes me weep. Folks who have come through trial and tribulation but at their core still believe in compassion, understanding, justice people like Hedy inspire. I really love her. She just exudes love, understanding and such depth that knows no bounds. Truly the little old Jewish lady who is a Gandhi. She has exudes such strength and love for all.

      When ever I am around folks like this..Dali Lama, Hedy, Sister Virgene (an old Catholic nun I am hanging out with), Art Gish and a few other individuals that I sense know so much about love, compassion, understanding, justice...just try to drink it up, absorb their understanding, get total contact highs. Folks should take advantage if Hedy ever comes to their towns, communities to speak...or what they hell line her up to speak. You will learn so much and get a contact high...a Hedy high

    • Just stick with the facts.

    • You make a solid point.

    • When you look at the shots of Rae being attacked..interesting that it looks like they had two African American males doing what? Were they attending or security people?

    • Some of the folks who took the most abuse while we were protesting across the street were the Rabbis . Many of the Aipac attendees came by the Rabbis and said horrible things to them. I listened for quite awhile on both days of protest.

      I also listened to Rabbi Feldman address some of the reasonable and respectfully asked questions. Was able to ask him several questions during a circle of folks stood around and discussed issues with Rabbi Feldman. He is such an intelligent scholar and explains his beliefs so clearly. It was sad to see and to hear these religious folk be verbally abused. Some of the Aipac attendees would rub and push up against the Rabbis

      This is a good visual and over view of the protest
      link to youtube.com

    • Last year Several Move over Aipac folks and I were standing out front of the convention center where the Aipac conference was taking place listening to a young Palestinian man talking about losing two of his brothers from injuries inflicted by the IDF and were unable to get to hospitals in time to save their lives. He was weeping as he was telling the story. This older Aipac attendee was standing behind me listening to the young Palestinian man and as I turned around I could see that he was smirking. I asked him a few seconds before Jeffrey Blankfort turned his phone camera on if he was Jewish and if he had lost family members in the Holocaust he had answered "yes" and I sincerely said that I was sorry for his loss and that the Holocaust was a horrific tragedy. But watching that smirk while he was listening to the young Palestinian I also asked him "do you think a Jewish life is more valuable than a Palestinians life" He answered emphatically "yes" Jeffrey and I exchanged a few in shock words and then he turned his camera on and I asked the question again. You can see his response..and then Jeffrey Blankfort asked once again. Was great that Blankfort caught this. But am sorry that he did not catch the mans wife's response. She was so full of hatred and absolutely believes that Jews lives are more valuable than others. I heard her say it without any reservations. Racist on fire

      Jewish life more valuable than Palestinians.mp4 - YouTube
      ► 0:36► 0:36

      link to youtube.com

    • Wish you could too. Worth it. Great group. Found out from Medea that she had been winging the BDS conference too...hoping like me that she could sign up for the conference several days before. Glad if filled up with a waiting list of over 250. Not sure if they will be live streaming. Last year Meirsheimer and Walt guest speakers. Great break out sessions. My favorite Noura Erakat. Brilliant.

      I had made it into an Aipac Conference some years back just for an afternoon. But had never gone down to congressional buildings when Aipac attendees were lobbying. The lines are long. Folks are well dressed and serious. I have lobbied a great deal on different issues but have never seen so many people in such long lines lobbying about one issue. They sure have their acts together.

      Had many conversations outside with attendees of the Aipac conference and with folks attending the Move over Aipac conference. Really should get my camera/recording thing together. Although I notice with a camera folks sort of change, not so much when you are just recording. One young well dressed young man had approached me to talk as we stood protesting the Aipac Conference (have his card and number somewhere) He had had his trip, flight etc paid for by Aipac. He was a student union President I believe from a university in Nebraska. He was not Jewish but had been raised Catholic like me. We had a long involved conversation about who what why Aipac was paying for students to come to the conference. We talked a great deal about why folks were protesting. While we were sitting on the curb of the park talking I was able to introduce him to Allison Weir from If Americans Knew who I had met and spent some time with. Just as I was telling him how great it would be to introduce him to Hedy Epstein (I love that brave old gentle gal and had spent some time with her at the conference as we were protesting the Aipac conference the day before) she walked by. I asked her if she would be willing to chat with this young man for awhile, tell him why she was there protesting etc. Sat a couple of chairs under a tree in the park we were protesting out of and they sat there for over an hour. The day before I was so excited by Hedy that I recruited several camera crews to interview her. She is so sweet, so smart, so brave. My mom is the same age so while we were inside of a fake boat (representing the flotilla that some of the Move Over (now Occupy Aipac folks) that the Move over Aipac crew had put together I felt like I needed to tend to her.

      I literally love Hedy. She is incredible. I am always amazed when people can put their own pain their own very sad and brutal history aside and stand up for others who are being abused. Hedy is so friggin amazing! I cry when I listen to her brilliance, her compassion.
      She is a little Jewish Gandhi lady!
      link to youtube.com

      Here are some of the actions from last year.

      link to occupyaipac.org

      I believe Medea Benjaman has just gotten involved with this critical issue the last five or so years. But when that woman jumps or gets involved with something she is a force of nature not to be messed with or get in the way of. She and her mighty Occupy Aipac team are amazing

    • Great post Annie. Glad you posted the information about Occupy Aipac March 2-6. Folks this event is well worth your time. As well as seeing for yourself the lines that Aipac members make outside of congress lobbying for Israel. This of course is legal and you can not blame Israel firsters for being so successful. But you can contact your representatives and ask why these individuals lobbying in the interest of another country are not required to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

      It is a great event wonderful speakers and a powerful community.

  • Adelson dumps Gingrich and Santorum's star is rising
    • Santorum's voting record is going to take him out. That is if anyone looks at it.

      This Obama interview is so disappointing . He repeats unsubstantiated claims. Iran needs to "stand down on their nuclear weapons program"
      link to today.msnbc.msn.com

  • US citizens arrested in Bahrain supporting peaceful protest near one-year anniversary of uprising
  • 'Free Beacon' reporter attacks Center for American Progress in misleading articles that push for Iran war
    • Prof Cole and Dr Zbig have brought up these points

    • Flynt and Hillary Leverett have most of the IAEA reports on Iran here
      link to raceforiran.com

      When ever you hear reporters on NPR address the enrichment of uranium you almost always here them repeat that Iran has said they will never give up their enrichment program. That is exactly what Peter Kenyon said on NPR today

      NEVER EVER HEAR THEM SAY THAT IRAN HAS THE RIGHT TO ENRICH URANIUM. never ever

    • Former weapons inspector Robert Kelly had quite a bit to say about the most recent IAEA report

      You can watch and read what he had to say here
      link to therealnews.com
      "KELLEY: Well, Paul, if I can take the two things that you mentioned, I would say I was a skeptic in 2007 when the national intelligence came out and said everything has stopped. That's not the kind of conclusion that it's easy to draw, that something has stopped, that there's no evidence for it. You may see that the portion you were watching has stopped, but how do you know? It seems like the latest IAEA report is adding a lot of credibility to the NIE and to the second NIE that the program was there in the past, but it seemed to have stopped, because IAEA's not adding much new to the pile. If you look at the Russian scientist whose name has been leaked--not by the IAEA, so I'm not going to use it here--he's been known to people in the press and elsewhere for maybe three or four years. So people have been looking at him. They knew about him, and they knew that he was involved with nanodiamonds. But we also know that he published papers with key nuclear weapons scientists at the laboratory where he used to work. There's not much question he knows a lot about nuclear weapons and diagnosing them. The thing that's strange is that he was working with these nanodiamonds, so you use explosions inside a sealed container. And there's a really simple reason you do that: if you're making diamonds, you want to find them afterwards. These are just industrial diamonds for grinding, things like that. So you do those experiments in a chamber. And somehow the IAEA has connected him to a little chamber, and then maybe to a great big chamber that was installed way back in 2000, so it had to have been designed, probably, in 1998. And then the IAEA says that this container will hold 70 kilograms of explosive blast. But they haven't done their sums. They didn't stop and say, well, the bomb, we know how big the bomb is. It was published on the web today. It was published in The Post last week. There's far more explosive in that bomb than could be contained by this container. So what is it these people are trying to tell us? And, finally, you have to be crazy to do hydrodynamic experiments in a container. There's no reason to do it. They're done outdoors. They're done on firing tables. Iran has plenty of desert. If they wanted to do this, they'd do it outdoors. So we've been led by the nose to believe that this container is important when in fact it's not important at all. It's highly misleading. And that kind of new information in this report is very distressing.

      JAY: So is there anything in this report that justifies all the hullabaloo? Headlines throughout the world, IAEA comes out, more or less says there's a weapons program is the way the press spun it, and certainly at the levels of the Israeli and American government you're hearing it that way.

      KELLEY: Well, I agree with your assessment. The press has spun it. I don't think that the IAEA was quite that bad, but they weren't very careful when putting out a report in the week or two weeks when the drums were beating in Tel Aviv saying that there was thought of bombing Iran. And they put out a report that should have been much more carefully vetted, should have been much more, shall we say, carefully thought out, and that should have been much more technically correct, because when you read this report, you say, there are so many things in it that are just plain wrong that it doesn't justify anything."

  • Hasbara PennBDS wrap-up: Pro-Israel students are ignorant
    • I have found pro Israel students and pro Israel individuals generally uninformed and unable to support their stances with facts. They generally start personally attacking when they have been politely challenged. Although on the Univ of College campus Boulder several years ago did get into a constructive conversation with a group of Jewish students who seemed geuinely open to factual information

  • MSNBC: Israel trains Iranian terror group to kill nuclear scientists
    • Allison/Annie think you will like one of Glenn Greenwalds latest
      Israel, MEK and state sponsor of Terror groups

      link to salon.com

      He makes such great points about how our Reps and others have been dealing with MEK. Why these individuals have not been held accountable for dealing with a group or individuals involved with a group that is on the US terrorist list
      "One of the most under-reported political stories of the last year is the devoted advocacy of numerous prominent American political figures on behalf of an Iranian group long formally designated as a Terrorist organization under U.S. law. A large bipartisan cast has received substantial fees from that group, the Mojahedin-e Khalq (MEK), and has then become their passionate defenders. The group of MEK shills includes former top Bush officials and other Republicans (Michael Mukasey, Fran Townsend, Andy Card, Tom Ridge, Rudy Giuliani) as well as prominent Democrats (Howard Dean, Ed Rendell, Bill Richardson, Wesley Clark). As The Christian Science Monitor reported last August, those individuals “have been paid tens of thousands of dollars to speak in support of the MEK.” No matter what one thinks of this group – here is a summary of its activities – it is formally designated as a Terrorist group and it is thus a felony under U.S. law to provide it with any “material support.”

      There are several remarkable aspects to this story. The first is that there are numerous Muslims inside the U.S. who have been prosecuted for providing “material support for Terrorism” for doing far less than these American politicians are publicly doing on behalf of a designated Terrorist group. A Staten Island satellite TV salesman in 2009 was sentenced to five years in federal prison merely for including a Hezbollah TV channel as part of the satellite package he sold to customers; a Massachusetts resident, Tarek Mehanna, is being prosecuted now ”for posting pro-jihadist material on the internet”; a 24-year-old Pakistani legal resident living in Virginia, Jubair Ahmad, was indicted last September for uploading a 5-minute video to YouTube that was highly critical of U.S. actions in the Muslim world, an allegedly criminal act simply because prosecutors claim he discussed the video in advance with the son of a leader of a designated Terrorist organization (Lashkar-e-Tayyiba); a Saudi Arabian graduate student, Sami Omar al-Hussayen, was prosecuted simply for maintaining a website with links “to groups that praised suicide bombings in Chechnya and in Israel” and “jihadist” sites that solicited donations for extremist groups (he was ultimately acquitted); and last July, a 22-year-old former Penn State student and son of an instructor at the school, Emerson Winfield Begolly, was indicted for — in the FBI’s words — “repeatedly using the Internet to promote violent jihad against Americans” by posting comments on a “jihadist” Internet forum including “a comment online that praised the shootings” at a Marine Corps base, action which former Obama lawyer Marty Lederman said “does not at first glance appear to be different from the sort of advocacy of unlawful conduct that is entitled to substantial First Amendment protection.”

      Yet here we have numerous American political figures receiving substantial fees from a group which is legally designated under American law as a Terrorist organization. Beyond that, they are meeting with the Terrorist leaders of that group repeatedly (Howard Dean told NPR last year about the group’s leader, Maryam Rajavi: “I have actually had dinner with Mrs. Rajavi on numerous occasions. I do not find her very terrorist-like” and has even insisted that she should be recognized as Iran’s President, while Rudy Giuliani publicly told her at a Paris conference in December: “These are the most important yearnings of the human soul that you support, and for your organization to be described as a terrorist organization is just simply a disgrace”). And, after receiving fees from the Terrorist group and meeting with its Terror leaders, these American political figures are going forth and disseminating pro-MEK messages on its behalf and working to have it removed from the Terrorist list."

      He makes great points at the end of the article also about Israel dealing with MEK and that they are on the US terrorist list. Not sure why Greenwald keeps saying that MEK was "formerly" on the US terrorist list. I thought the MEK was still on the US terrorist list

    • It sounds like some intelligence groups in the US may not want them off the US list. Otherwise the big push a few months ago to get them off the US terrorist list would have succeeded

    • There was really a push a couple of months ago to take MEK off the terrorist list. There was a big gathering of folks, lots of guest on news programs, the the floor of congress. Big push. Must be something to do with Israel collaborating with a terrorist group etc. Right the US allegedly will not do business with countries doing deals with countries groups that the US has on a terrorist list. Seymour Hersh has written plenty about US and Israeli forces on the ground in Iran for at least three years

    • Followed comments for awhile over at the NBC RockCenter thread above yesterday. Put up lots of links to factual information over there. Lots of folks want to keep their heads up where the sun does not shine. Some incredibly racist and deadly comments. Several thousand comments. Interesting.

      folks remember contact your Reps as often as you can let them know what you think about the situation with Iran and the I/P issue.

  • 'Commentary' covers its eyes and makes Palestinians disappear
    • Folks need to read this one over at Huff Po
      Israel teams with terror group to kill Iran's nuclear scientists, U.S. officials tell NBC News
      Thu Feb 9, 2012 6:16 AM EST.

      "Daniel Byman, a professor in the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University and also a senior fellow with the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution, said that if the accounts of the Israeli-MEK assassinations are accurate, the operation borders on terrorism."

      "borders on terrorism" Israel knows NO borders

      "

      "Ronen Bergman, while not speaking on behalf of the Israeli government, suggests that there is a justification, citing an oft-repeated but disputed quote in which Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s said that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth."

      And there we go again that false claim that the Iranian President said "Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth that has been repeated over and over again by the Iraq and now Iran warmongers over the last five years is repeated once again. University of Michigans Professor Juan Cole who speaks Persian debunked that false neocon created claim yearago.

      From Informed Comment

      Hitchens Hacker And Hitchens
      "The phrase he then used as I read it is “The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).”

      Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope– that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah’s government.

      Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that “Israel must be wiped off the map” with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time"

    • I've been watching Washington Journal for years. I think there is a shift in who is controlling guest appearances

    • Annie ot but important
      The last four guest that Washington Journal have had on to discuss the situation with Iran have been:
      #Yochi Dreazen, National Journal, Senior National Security Correspondent

      Topic: Yochi Dreazen writes in the recent National Journal that “Persian Gulf states want nuclear energy. Will they build peaceful programs, or will they respond in kind to Iran?”

      #Anne-Marie Slaughter, Princeton Univ. – Politics & Int’l Affairs Professor, Fmr. State Department Director of Policy Planning. SHE HAS OFTEN REPEATED UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS ABOUT IRAN

      Topic: Guest – a foreign policy expert and former key aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton – will respond to the recent rising of tensions between the U.S., the international community – and Syria and Iran.

      #8:30am – Ash Jain, Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Visiting Fellow

      Topic: Discuss the future policy options the United States could use against Iran over concerns of its nuclear program. Currently sanctions are in place but Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has been quoted saying the U.S. is “prepared to respond if we have to”.

      ASH JAIN REPEATED SO MANY LIES ABOUT IRAN IT WAS TOUGH TO KEEP UP

      #Michael Singh, Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Managing Director

      Topic: Earlier this month, Iran warned the U.S. not to return its aircraft carrier that left the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz. Guest will discuss where the Strait of Hormuz is, how much of the world’s oil passes through the Strait on a daily basis and what impact the closing of the Strait could have on the world oil supply.

      U.S., Iran, and the Strait of Hormuz – C-SPAN Video Library

      ► 38:06► 38:06 link to c-spanvideo.org

      Mr. Singh repeated many lies about Iran

      SO WITHIN LESS THAN A MONTH CSPAN’S WASHINGTON JOURNAL CHOSE TWO GUEST TO SPEAK ABOUT IRAN WHO REPEATED LIES ABOUT IRAN. BOTH ARE FROM THE WASHINGTON INSTITUTE FOR NEAR EAST POLICY. Mr. Singh the director of WINEP on Jan 8,2012 and then MR. Ash Jain on Feb 5 also from WINEP. And then mixed in during that month (Jan 5- Feb 8) the two other quest that Cspans Washington Journal chose to speak about the situation with Iran were Anne Marie Slaughter, who I have heard repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran as well as always repeat that US national security and Israel’s national security are one and the same. Today as Photi pointed out they had Yochi Dreazen who was also repeating myths about Iran and pushing the idea that a nuclear arms race is starting in that neighborhood due to Irans alleged efforts to produce nuclear weapons.

      What is up with CSpans Washington Journals choice of guest? At the very least they could mix it up a bit and not continue to only choose guest who are promoting a military conflict with Iran. When will they have on Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett, former weapons inspector Robert Kelly, Professor Juan Cole. Seems like the producers or those that choose the guest at Washington Journal need to be contacted by folks

    • Annie your post is great. Jonathon Tobin 's piece demonstrating more desperation. " the rest of the world is gradually moving on." The rest of the world is learning more about the facts on the ground in the conflict....especially Americans.

      This ludicrous line of Tobins really demonstrates his insane views

      "Peace will have to wait until a sea change in Palestinian political culture that will make it possible for the PA to sign a deal that recognizes the legitimacy of a Jewish state no matter where its borders are drawn."

      "no matter where its borders are drawn" The majority of people around the world and internationally recognized organizations recognize Israel based on the 67 border. Period. All settlements illegal

    • "In Washington, the reaction from the Obama administration was equally predictable as the State Department spokesperson withheld judgment."

      "equally predictable" Don't think so. "withheld judgment" this response was not at all predicatable.

  • A lull on this site
    • You can bet Blankfort is out there expanding his mind...that fella is a truly compassionate individual and an encyclopedia of facts about the I/P conflict and other middle east issues

    • Travel safe...learn a great deal...and get some rest too.

  • Khader Adnan, political prisoner held without charges, is near death after 53 days of hunger strike
  • Beinart to cast Obama as caped hero of two-state-solution in forthcoming book
    • " a man steeped in the liberalism he learned from his many Jewish friends and mentors in Chicago;" So friggin arrogant

      Prof Cole has a great post up
      "
      How an Israeli Strike on Iran could radically weaken Israel
      Posted on 02/06/2012 by Juan
      Some colleagues on an email list got me thinking about the worst case scenario of an Israeli air strike on Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities, so here is what I came up with. I think each of these scenarios is plausible in its own right, and that all could well ensue.

      1. Iran is now threatening to strike at any third country in the region that aided Israel in an airstrike on Iran. The aftermath is therefore likely to be further conflict in the region.

      2. Oil prices will spike. I imagine you could easily see $150 a barrel or maybe even more. This development could throw the US and Europe back into deep recession. "

  • Fatah and Hamas sign historic unity deal, Abbas to head interim government
    • Netanyahu and other Israeli officials always moving the line. Recognize Israel's right to exist, then demanded that they have to say that Israel is a Jewish state,,then and then and then .... no preconditions

    • Anyone hear anything about the Hamas Fatah agreement on MSNBC ? As Annie has pointed out made it on CNN and BBC. But hearing much about this anywhere else

    • Annie Chris Matthews (have been begging over there)had Dr Zbig on last week to talk about the situation with Iran. Also Richard Engel. Engel was more fair than I expected. Engel even said that Israel has nukes. Matthews quickly said “we know that” and of course did not get into the absurdities and double standards. Dr. Zbig was as brilliant and sensible as usual. Addressing the dangerous and potential cost to the US if Israel does this. And how ultimately an attack on Iran by Israel is extremely dangerous for Israel.

      When Dr. Zbig talked about what could be done through negotiations he failed to bring up that Iran has the right to enrich uranium under the NPT. Going back to listen again because although Chris Matthews did a fair job on this and celebrate that he had Dr. Zbig on I think he opened the segment by referring to Iran’s
      “nuclear weapons program” as if they have a “nuclear weapons program”. Going over to listen again. It is a must listen if folks are interested in how the MSM is opening up a bit on reporting about this issue more accurately.

      Now if only Chris Matthews and the rest would have experts Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett on their programs to discuss Iran and help educate the public instead of after an attack.

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