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Great article, thank you.
As a Muslim Palestinian, may religion not divide us. We are all one people. :)
looks promising! worth checking out then, can't wait to see this.
Tbh I would've preferred for Netanyahu to go, and see him get ripped to shreds by South Africans for even daring to show his face!
Thanks for sharing, Malaka!
Seems like a bittersweet experience
Thank you for sharing this, Annie.
It is absolutely beautiful.
I need to get my hands on a copy of Susan Abulhawa's new poetry volume.
Thanks David and Lia for your brilliant journalism, and thanks Sami for that brilliant history on Jaffa.
It's such a shame to see what the Zionists have done to the place, they've practically pillaged it.
I believe it was in a Hadith.
Mahane, Muhammad (pbuh) later confirmed this was Jerusalem before he died.
Omg these are hilarious. Thank you Katie!
I wouldn't say Shavit is the rare kind of Israeli. Oh no, there are plenty like him, particularly in academia, unfortunately.
Shavit acknowledges Israel's original sin but he goes on to JUSTIFY the Nakba, and Benny Morris has done that. I'm sure many liberal academics have as well.
Shavit is a hopeful, I would say, but a disillusioned one at that.
Wow this really did hit home. Absolutely beautiful.
This is great.
Sometimes I forget whether Jodi Rudoren is reporting for The Jerusalem Post or the New York Times.
I don't think she knows real journalism.
Bronner isn't the brightest liberal out there, is he?
I'm not going to get into the semantics of this but I'm puking because this is straight up disgusting.
So a Jewish woman's right is less important in order to fight the demographic threat and save Israel?
Thanks Frank, and Lia. This sounds so good, and I can't wait to see the film.
Thanks Noam. I very much agree.
The mixed populations are also a reason why the Palestinian and Israeli identities hold no weight anymore except in the diaspora. Particularly Palestinians. Although I cannot speak for Israelis in the diaspora. However, in Israel/Palestine, it holds no weight because on the ID card, every person is marked by ethnicity.
And the only Arabs inside Israel who identify as "Arab Israelis" are the patriotic assimilated Arab Israelis. However, every other Palestinian Arab citizen inside Israel identifies as a Palestinian. Now, that being said, Israeli settlers in the West Bank are not called Palestinians, and it shows, due to the amount of privilege they get from being Jewish. Them being Jewish resulting in the Israeli identity.
Therefore no one can really argue that Arabs inside the territories are Palestinians, while Arabs inside Israel are not, because 1. Arabs inside Israel identify as Palestinians and 2. it's a mixed population anyway.
Anyhow, I went off on a tangent here, and I agree that if we do not get out of the two-state discourse mindset, we will be stuck with it. Hence the current "peace talks" with John Kerry, although Netanyahu doesn't seem to abide.
Best comment hahaha.
Seafoid wins, hands down.
Thanks Nadya. It's indeed such a shame that the "beauty" of the settlements is indeed superficial
You know I wouldn't be too surprised if it was one of Israel's PA cronies. Afterall Arafat was a bit too "radical" for them, and they preferred someone "moderate" like Abbas who they could easily control.
This is a great video, and I hope they bust more of Danny Ayalon's bullshit videos!
These IDF fools seem to think that Palestinian is synonymous with Jordanian...
Hmm I don't know, you guys seem to be slamming down Open Zion pretty hard. Afterall, it did have an array of decent articles from time to time, from great writers.
As for Beinart himself... can't really comment. His liberal Zionism is a bit much to handle.
Thanks Allison, that makes sense now
Christian Zionism is definitely problematic
The land is Palestinian, regardless. It probably belongs to Palestinian villagers who were driven off in 1948. Boone is a lunatic, anyway.
Natalie Portman reminds me of a younger Elie Wiesel.
Also I love how she thinks anti-semitism is non-existent in LA or NY, she is delusional.
Walid, I can't speak for the others, but Zochrot are an Israeli Nakba-rememberance organisation. They are pro-one state, pro-return. Also mostly anarchists. If anything, I doubt they'd want to "save" Israel.
I agree, Avraham.
Someone tell me again what difference there is between Muslim extremists abusing religious writings to plot and plan terror attacks and Christian evangelists abusing religious writings to support Jewish extremism?
No it isn't. It's called justice. If the dismantling of the state does not involve harming Jews, then it is not antisemitic.
Maybe you would need to re-evaluate the meaning?
hostility to or prejudice against Jews
doesn't say Israel anywhere.
Why do these losers think calling for the dismantlement of the state of Israel is "antisemitic"? Yet somehow a state built atop the ruins of Palestinian homes, dispossession and blood is fine
I definitely see your point.
I won't hesitate to agree with you on that one.
Pan Arabism can be valued in a cultural and social sense, not so much political. Independence is the only way from here.
I'm not a pan Arabist but I love the calls for Arab unity.
Oh it's probably also worth noting that this video features Tamer Nafar from Palestinian hip-hop group DAM!
Women do get romantic freedom, thank you very much. Also if you're expecting her to sing about love, then that says a lot about Western Culture.
For a 13 year old, she seems very intelligent and aware. Also if you live in Palestine, your whole life is dictated by politics and you can't escape that.
From my understanding, Einstein was essentially both a cultural and labour Zionist.
Not so surprisingly though, it was the Jewish militias who had enforced ethnic cleansing upon citizens, no?
This is great!
Oh seafoid, you never fail to amuse me.
talknic, I agree, and it is rich coming from a guy who wanted to push Arabs across the border by denying them employment.
Okay maybe I was wrong to say that he didn't face antisemitism at all considering he did look Jewish but yeah he enjoyed the tiers of the middle/upper class. Basically going with what Citizen said.
The irony behind Herzl is he was an assimilated Jew, an atheist, he did not face antisemitism much.
"Barghouti knows full well there is NO “secular democratic state” anywhere in the world. The present PA constitution establishes Islam as the basis of the state, which is universal throughout the Arab World. The Hamas regime in Gaza is a full-blown Islamic dictatorship."
Secular states exist where there is a seperation of church and state, or in Israel's case, a seperation of synagogue and state. While Israel is a secular state, it is hard bent on being "Jewish and democratic" which cannot happen as long as it keeps denying Palestinian Arabs their freedom, and keeps discriminating.
As for Fatah/PA, those are lies. Fatah/PA/PLO are SECULAR. They recognise Islam as a majority, but as well it is secular. As for Hamas being a "Islamic regime dictatorship", Hamas are democratically elected, although both Hamas and Fatah have expired terms now. Hamas is far from a dictatorship but it is Islamic because it is Islamist. However it does not seek to expel Christians because they're not Muslim unlike Israel who wants a Jewish state.
Emigration is NOT an option. It will NEVER be an option. How about Jews born outside of Israel emigrate?
Well, firstly, I can say the "holier than thou" attitude is definitely there, especially in regards to Palestinians or that's atleast how I see it.
As for your questions, I'm happy for Jews to stay in what is the West Bank, (and Gaza) provided Palestinians get a RoR although the idea of Palestinian Jewish citizens of a Palestinian state sounds good too, provided you know they're equal. But yeah. Although I think there must be some way to work around it because I don't believe settlements themselves should stay, as some are built on private Palestinian land, even speaking in a one-state solution. I think settlers too should be naturalised to be citizens, if you understand what I mean?
Although I think there should definitely be an eradication of extremism on both sides - both fundamentalist groups of Palestinians, and fundamentalist Israelis.
I do not have much contact with Israelis although I'm aware of what their views are, but let me tell you, I interact with a lot of Jews, of whom some are Zionists, some anti-Zionist. (Of course, some of those Zionists are not necessarily pro-Israel but they're non-statist Zionists, some are pro-two states) etc. Anyway, many have differing views. Of course, many anti-Zionists are anti-Israel and that's a given, but nonetheless there is still discussion about how one state would turn out. Although let's focus on the non-anti-Zionist ones. Obviously those who are pro-two states are pro-two states, and that's that. As for issues like RoR, borders, Jerusalem, opinions will vary. However some are pro-federalism meaning giving both groups autonomy within a one state. Some are pro-mixed government (like myself).
Like I said, opinions will vary. Many of them just want a state where both Palestinians and Jews are treatedly justly, and a cultural place is maintained in order for Jews to practise their culture/religion safely.
(These are diaspora Jews however they've visited the region.)
Simple. Self determination without a state. In this case, cultural zionism or this is more statist but it's very socialist as well, labour zionism. favours a binational state.
Israel certainly has provided refuge to Jewish refugees, no matter where they came from, and has allowed Jews to have self-determination but it's the idea of political/revisionist/religious Zionism that is settler-colonialism in practice. Afterall, Israel was created and is being maintained through the bloodshed of Palestinians.
I'm a fan of non-statist Zionism, not so much the latter.
I understand where you're coming from. I too, disagree with the westernisation or europeanisation of Palestine. Jewish culture is very eastern in nature anyway. The problem here is these Zionist secularists are taking it and westernising to make it look "progressive". But yeah Israel is pure colonialism, not self-determination.
space for multiculturalism**
As a Palestinian, I don't think it's necessary that Jews need to become part of the Arab world, as there is film for multiculturalism to manifest. However what must happen is the prevention of exclusion of Palestinians, and the "holier than thou" attitude by Israelis, as well as Palestinians living as equals. Israeli Jews need to become one with Palestinians, not one separate from Palestinians.
I agree with Walid but then this goes to show that Israel is not the best place for Jews, as the Israeli govt makes it out to be
Thanks Phil, and thanks Max.
Max, you're a brilliant journalist, and it's such a shame that nowadays the liberals are worse than the conservatives on Israel. Oh well, if one seeks the truth, he will seek it independently, not from the mainstream.
Keep up the great work.
seafoid, Hebrew does. 'palestinai' for Palestinians, unfortunately bigotry gets in the way whether it be anti-Palestinian or anti-Arab.
It's a real shame.
Also you're wrong MY1. They don't refer to themselves as 3Arab Israeel (Arabs of Israel/Israeli Arabs), there might be a minority who do but they call themselves 3Arab48 or Palestinians within Israel mostly.
ethno-secularists is right.
3arabe zaye lakan da3em la isra'eel...
yeah right. As a Mizrahi Jew, you may have Arab culture, but you are not Arab. An Arab would not support the occupation of Palestinians by Israel.
Go home, Zionist.
And I thought revisionist Zionism couldn't get any worse, well guess I was proved wrong on that one.
Saudi is an ally to Israel...
Magical indeed, Annie! Not only Palestinian American youth, but Palestinian youth everywhere including in our very own Palestine.
you're absolutely right, Walid. I want to quote Leila Khaled on this but I'm not sure if she said it or if it was someone else, but I don't have to worry because I'm sure many of the refugees have said this and probably continue to say this, even those younger babas you mentioned. "If I cannot return, then my children will." Israel definitely has a huge problem.
Allah ya3teeke alf 3afya ya Lena, and inshaAllah your baba will no longer have to bear the pain of exile, nor will you.
Thanks for sharing :)
I was referring to settlements more than Iran. As for your comment, I agree with Shingo. There's no "playing" here
and they seem to keep digging further...
Netanyahu and the Israelis have dug themselves into a ditch.
Eeee, I'm so happy for them!
Thanks Allison. Brilliant as always. Also those evangelicals are loonies.
Mine definitely was.
And we all know what's really happening behind the curtains of J Street. Shameless, it really is.
Thanks Phil, brilliant post!
thanks jd, I will watch it when I can.
You're absolutely right, Phil. I, too, think that J Street are becoming part of the lobby establishment.
J Street had always declared themselves "Pro Israel, and Pro-Peace" which if you ask me, is an irony within itself. Ben-Ami has nothing on Lustick and Munayyery . The two-state solution has been dead for a long time, and the likes of J Street are trying to keep Israel alive more than they actually care about Palestinian rights.
Thanks to your brilliant coverage on Israel/Palestine as always, Allison! :)
The Negev is pretty massive, and yet they're insistent on "making the desert bloom" and building Jewish township settlements by demolishing Bedouin villages and displacing them. Sounds like neo-colonialism to me.
Everybody knows that Abbas is nothing but a stooge for the State of Israel. He is bringing about the destruction of Palestinian self-determination in order to pursure self-interests.
I'm not surprised, Netanyahu is pretty gross.
These guys contradicted themselves a few times.
Willing to go back to '67 lines... but then saying "Until Palestinians understand that there is a Jewish state from the river to the sea, there will not be peace" That makes no sense. Palestinians DO realise that, hence why there is an apartheid system in place. Palestinians call for a 1ss for their RoR
Giving the Palestinians the West Bank would be like giving the Indigenous Americans half of Florida.
This guy's an idiot
If these segregated train lines are implemented, then they'll just usurp more land. While stations will ultimately be built in settlements, I imagine that train tracks will run through Palestinian villages, or ultimately around them confiscating more dunums at the behest of settlers, even though Palestinians will not be able to use them. Israel may be a "democracy" but it is a ethnocratic thief.
Thank you Ms. Benjamin! I highly agree, and this is why the left should be in power. Not the faux-liberal left.
Also she may have not mentioned Israel, because she specifically chose to focus on the countries of Aghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. Even though, Somalia gets drone striked too.
An ally to Israel. A pro-Israel Israel-Palestine negotiations envoy. Yeah, this """""""peace process"""""" is definitely shambles. Peace shmeace.
God, you're so right Annie. I'm pretty sure Mr. Odenheimer means well, but the letter is written in such as condescending tone.
I don't understand why Palestinians must have Israeli citizenship? Can't they still be Palestinians? I think everybody should receive civil rights regardless of citizenship. That way, we can vote in a left wing Israeli-Palestinian party.
Although, screw the demographic threat, and just move in towards a binational state.
liberal zionists are so gross
The U.S. is just trying to play the whole saviour role. Kerry should just go home. I honestly don't know why the US is involved, other than of course, playing the saviour role as well as the imperialist role. Peace will only truly come until the U.S. stops supplying the IDF with weapons.
Wow, this was breath-taking to read.
We should make this letter viral for all to see.
Thanks again for your brilliant coverage Annie and Enass.
There is a difference here. Just because an [Palestinian] Arab citizen of Israel holds Israeli citizenship, this does not remove his identity as a "Palestinian". In your theory, does that make every settler residing in the West Bank a "Palestinian"? Nope, thought not.
The thing is though there's no logical two state solution yet for you to compare to Muslim citizens of India being "Pakistani". Furthermore, a Palestinian Israeli is allowed to identify how he wants, and not how the state wants.
Today, both Israeli and Palestinian mean nothing because the borders don't indicate anything. Today, with more and more Israeli Arabs identifying as "Palestinian citizens of Israel", and with the residing settlers in the West Bank being called "Israelis", its only used as a means to differ between Jews and Arabs. Whereas, before a Palestinian was anyone residing within historic Palestine, Arab and Jew. Furthermore, you're not allowed to define somebody else's identity for them.
Sorry, I know this was aimed at Jeff but I just wanted to add in my own two cents.
Good luck wiping out 1.7 million people, Israel.
This "collective punishment" policy is going to fall back hard on Israel one day. What's a few (hundred) Hamas fighters compared to a population of a million?
I just had a thought. Remember that video BDSers made about Alicia keys cancelling her Israel show, and shows the resistance of all the amazing Palestinian women? That had "Girl on Fire" playing as the video's soundtrack. Assaf is what truly demonstrates that. He is definitely Palestine's Boy on Fire!
Absolutely magical that a young boy from Gaza can unite a whole nation.
Allah y3teek al 3fya ya Mohammad and thank you Annie!
I just literally watched this on tumblr right now... Amazing song! He did Palestine proud, and well if he doesn't win, he still did Palestine proud. Allah ynaj7ak ya Mohammad!
...yet somehow killing Palestinians is okay? Hey, this is the true face of Israel.
"Palestinians are Nazis." Yawn, won't these pro-Israel people come up with new accusations?
Been there, done that, yallah let's move on.
Mohammad Assaf deserves to win. He could do big things for Palestine, and essentially put it on the map. Assaf was born a star. Assaf will go far, I just know it.
Precisely! I mean, it's a shame people praise Rabin, when he took an active part in ethnic cleansing etc. Maybe because he was murdered by a right wing settler, so the praise is more sympathy, although people begin to boast about his "legacy"...
yet somehow still laud Arafat as a "terrorist" who didn't want peace, how does that work?
When Peres dies, the critics come out. His "legacy" will be no more.
We no longer have to rely on the US, or the Israeli "left", in order to achieve freedom for Palestinians. We must rely on the international community.
Anyhow, one thing we can rely on is the Israeli right. Sure, they're dangerous and have wacky ideologies, but with them around, it is safe to say Israel is driving itself into the ditch.
Obsidian, I travelled to Palestine back in 2004, and I remember some events quite clearly, so to claim Moe made this story up? Really? It sure as hell sounds authentic.
Thanks for sharing your story, Moe. More people need to know what Israel does to us, and the systematic discrimination course that they bestow upon us.
This is just ridiculous.
People denying Al-Nakba? People denying deaths? What more proof do you need? It is ALL in front of you.
We know 750, 000+ inhabitants fled or were expelled. What happened to the rest of the Palestinians besides those in the West Bank, Gaza and who currently remain in Israel today? Oh yeah, they were shot and killed. Massacres took place all over Palestine, and you must be stupid to deny that. Starting with Deir Yassin, and they continued.
This is beautiful, thank you.
Such a shame that so much of Gaza's history has been lost due to destruction, and the need for urban industrialisation due to a large population of refugees.
The Temple Mount was nothing but a garbage dump for 700 years until 'Umar ibn Al Khattab (RA) conquered Jerusalem, and built Al Aqsa and Dome of the Rock. Jews complain, but if it weren't for Muslims, it'd be in ruins right now (or atleast would've been before Israel became a state)
Also for the Morrocan quarter, of course Israel cares more about Jews rather than people actually living there.
Some of those comments in 'Forward' are ridiculous.
Thank you for this article, Annie! :)
He's such an angel. A great representative of Palestine, and one who makes his people proud. God willing he wins!
This makes me sick to my stomach.
Why? Not because of the celebrations, but because of the racism thrown around during these celebrations.
Moreso, Muslim worshippers were unable to get to Al Aqsa as the roads were blocked because of these parades.
Israelis have their Yom HaAtzmaut, and we have our Yom al Nakba
Israelis have their Yom Yerushalaim but we still have our Yom al Nakba, or during 1967 al Naksa.
One day that will all change, so they better make the most of their short-lived celebrations because soon, it'll be no longer under Israeli control.
Also "religious freedom" under Israel? Tell that to Palestinian Christians who were heckled by Israeli police during Orthodox Easter last week. Because when Palestinians from WB/Gaza are able to travel to Jerusalem at any given time, and not need permits from the Israeli authorities, then you can tell me that there's religious freedom.
I'm not saying that either. I'm not calling for a return to the ghetto. You know, there is cultural Zionism which some of its followers call for self-determination in the diaspora.
Also the Jewish religion does not lack rights., at all. I'm also not saying that they deserve more rights over the Palestinians. That is not what I'm saying at all.
Where did I mention that Israel is the saviour of the Jews, or is more safer than the West? Nowhere.
I said it is necessary because it is a place where Jews can have self-autonomy, but I never said that I favoured it. I said, I do not because it was achieved at the expense of the Palestinian Arab population.
I meant that I understand that they need self-determination, which they kind of do, due to anti-semitism, and the fact they've been a minority, but like RoHa said they need self-determination as citizens of the state, and not Jews.
I'm not forgiving towards Israel, and I never will be, but I realise it's kind of necessary for the survival of Jews. Although because I'm not forgiving them ever for building Israel at the expense of Palestinians, I'm not a two-state advocate. One state for all people.
I didn't say anything about Israeli annexation. I said occupation, but although with a state, it's unlikely. What I meant to say was what if Israel attacks etc.
Brilliant piece. There are a few problematic things in here, but overall you make some very great points.
The international community has "hope" for a 2ss.
Palestinians, even with a 2ss, do not have hope. Palestinians have been kicked out of their home, and you're going to reduce it to a two state settlement?
It really needs to let go of the whole 2-state discourse. Palestinians could've had their own state before '67, but Israel still atacked, and occupied. Who's to say they won't do it again?
Jews need their self-determination however people need to get over the idea of Israel having a "Jewish majority", and it needs to adapt to a one-state reality. While the two state solution looked like it had foundation, it no longer does, no thanks to settlements. However, people also think that one state has no foundation, but it does. Even though after Oslo, there was a formation of a Palestinian Authority which gave them the right to self-rule. Pretty much everything was guarded by Israel - borders, land you name it. Israel provides water and electricity to the oPt etc.
On the other hand, a one-state settlement is better for all. Also allowing a two-state solution to happen will allow Israel to get away with everything it's done over the generations.
With RoR, everyone will be able to return home. This will hopefully include Mizrahim who left their homes in the Arab lands.
Also a one man, one vote is what Palestinains should currently be looking at, like Gideon Levy mentions in his Ha'aretz article. Like South Africa, equal voting rights will lead to the elimination of the Jewish governments, and hopefully a Palestinian government installed. We're not talking Fatah or Hamas, but Balad and the like, or even new mixed Jewish-Arab Palestinians.
That being said, Palestinians need to stop looking to Fatah and Hamas in hope of them resolving this conflict because they are a thing of the past, and new leadership being formed is what should be looked at. This includes the abolition of the Palestinian authority.
Norman, we all know that this is false. The idea that had PALESTINIAN refugees settled elsewhere that there'd be no conflict, how about Israel's agression, the occupation etc? Also yes while Palestinians are ethnically Arab, does not mean that other Arab countries will compensate for their loss of home. Yeah, they're displaced and stateless, but their homeland will be in Palestine always.
Also Israel and the Arab countries are both equally to blame.
Tel Aviv was originally a small town built in 1909 for the Jewish community. After 1948, it expanded over ethnically cleansed villages and became a big city, becoming connected Jaffa. Hence it being called Tel Aviv-Yafo.
Yeah, it does bust the myth that Tel Avib was entirely Jewish, well only part of it was, or in fact not only Jewish but part of it was Tel Aviv in general.
Thank you for this wonderful piece, Marc.
Unfortunately, it is a very Jewish world we live in when it comes to Israel-Palestine. Israel, and Jews worldwide decided what we can and can't do. Why Jewish resistance is celebrated, but Palestinian resistance is debated. Obama paying more homage to the Israelis.
And indeed, Jews are no longer "a nation" but one of many.
Hopefully, we'll being seeing some kind of change soon.
Thank you Roqayah for this astonishing piece.
Congratulations Natan. You are braver than most of the "IDF" soldiers (sorry, did you say IOF extremists) out there.
No, there is no Arabic name Tyler. I think it's more of a western alias, if anything.
This is really important. Fuck FEMEN though. Like she couldn't have chosen a worser org to get involved with too.
The JNF has been a part of colonising Palestine since 1901. Back then though, it actually bought land.
The JNF has played a big part in land theft.
The important question to ask here is: "what would Edward Said do?"
Ah you do make a good point.
Yes, you're right but Ha'aretz, even if Ali never revealed the photos, wouldn't want to damage its country's rep. Not much you can expect from Israel's 'left-leaning' paper. There are good things that do come out of Ha'aretz sometimes though.
It's still parliament nonetheless.
I'm so glad that the Palestinian issue is arising into Australian parliament.
Israel can just as easily forge a letter and make it appear to be written from Hamas or Fatah. That being said, Israel looks for an excuse to launch military operations. Yeah, things are heating up in the West Bank, but suicide bombings? Don't think so. There haven't even been any suicide bombings since 2005, and even since then, many of the groups have denounced that tactic.
Wowow. "Divisive" Sorry for speaking or moreso rapping / singing the truth!
NY Times is always full of pro-Israel bullshit.
The chutzpah of all this is while Palestinian refugees are waiting to come home for 70 years now, young Israeli's born into Palestine/Israel end up emigrating. Guess it's not much of a 'home' to them, is it?
Jews not safe in the U.S.A? Oh, please. Spare the crap Biden. You are not better than your Republican Opponents.
I would be more concerned for those Palestinians, or just Arabs and Muslims in general who face attacks, whether they're verbal or physical, because of the rising Islamophobia in the US! Why doesn't Biden talk about that?
Also Golda Meir says they have nowhere else to go? This is quite ironic seeing as herself, she was born in USSR and raised in USA. I mean, what about Palestinian refugees who have nowhere else to go because no Arab country will give them citizenship?
American Jews do NOT need Israel to feel 'safe'. This is one of the biggest propaganda lines of all time.
Also yeah things are screwed up when a bunch of AIPAC Zionists applaud at the idea that they aren't safe in the US.
But there's a lot of double standards here.
I don't know what Netanyahu's definition of "compromise" is.
Oh wait, I do know now. Increased brutality, and increased settlements!!
I look forward to the downfall of this awful dictator, Netanyahu. (metaphorically speaking)
But yeah Netanyahu and his folks likewise do not want a two-state solution. Their idea of peace is little to no Palestinians at all.
If Dersh's psycho claims are true, then can he please explain the amount of rape rates -- which often go unheard of -- that occured in 1948 and the 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacres.
Zionists will rejoice at anything that praises Israel, moreso that they need to fabricate stories about it even as Purim jokes.
And to think that we've come a long way since Jim Crow South... apparently not.
"An Israeli spokeswoman said "50 Palestinians took part in a violent and illegal riot and threw rocks at security forces, who responded with riot dispersal means"
So protests against the Zionist regime and occupation are now "violent and illegal" but shooting teargas and rubber bullets by so-called "security forces" which admittedly can kill are now "riot dispersal means".
The amount of bullshit that comes out of these people mouths.
Yay! Even more LibZio's.
A two-state is practically on the brink of extinction, if not yet extinct. We all know that both parties are unwilling to give up their land, and the reason I say both, is even as a Palestinian, we will not give up our land to the Zionists. It is rightfully ours, and thus why we deserve the right of return. Not to mention, the 60 years worth of struggle. The other side, purely to fulfil their dreams of a greater "Jewish state" or for religious rasons. As we saw, when that religious Jew(s) assassinated Yitzhak Rabin, and as we also see in present day with the building of settlements. Zionists need to let go of this notion of maintaining a Jewish majority. It will not work, unless somehow miraculously all the Jews move to Israel, which also will not happen.
The only way forward now is a democratic, secular Palestine with full right of return for Palestinian refugees,.
It'll be an economic disaster but to counter that, we can only let in a few hundred thousand in at a time.
Israeli's will either have to emigrate or accept the Arab population.
Also why can Jews return after 2, 000 years but Palestinians cannot after nearly 70 years?
This response is just stupid. Amman is in Jordan. Take a hint, Palestine and Jordan are not the same. Nice try, Zionist troll.
The sad part about this is the US cares more about covering up Israel's mishaps, rather than protecting its own US Citizens.
This is awesome! I really love the idea of the use of viral videos in order to bring attention to the Palestinian cause.
pro-Palestinians: 1 Hasbarist Media: 0
"And when the film intoned that the Israeli mainstream derided Feiglin as someone who wants to “expel” Palestinians, one audience member yelled out a “woo!” while another clapped. "
But surprise, surprise another far-right racist settler leader. He wants to destroy the Aqsa mosque (or was that Bennett? Wait, what's the difference?). He wants Palestinians to leave, and he even referred to them in the most derogatory manner.
But oh wait, he repeated the same words as ex-Israeli PM Golda Meir. But I guess he is right, who are the Palestinians? Where did they come from? Didn't they arrive here on a boat during 1948? Arabs from Arabia? They just did that to destroy Israel, anti-semites!/sarcasm
Ironically with Israeli's though, they deny that there ever was a Palestinian people when their descendants who lived in Palestine prior to the creation of Israel referred to themselves as "Palestinian Jews". To them, they're just Arabs. I like to question though (excluding Pal. population of Israel) if Israeli's are just Jews, then why do they have a national identity? Why aren't Palestinians allowed a national identity? Ironically, Palestinians don't exist and are just Arabs, however they do not question the national identity of surrounding Arab countries.
This is all to deligitimise Palestinian ties to the land.
I actually hope he does take over as leader of Likud. It will lead to the fastest fall of the country.
Also if that Muhammad movie caused such an uproar from Muslims, then imagine the destruction of Al Aqsa. That would cause the biggest uproar ever, but nevermind, I suppose the American MSM would ignore it and say "Those savages! It's just a mosque"
Yet that same media would probably turn a blind eye if Israeli destroyed Christian structural buildings in Jerusalem. Actually, that's probably the only reason Israel hasn't yet, so it doesn't lose its following of Christian Zio's.
The Nakba did not end in 1948, it is currently ONGOING. This is ridiculous, and i'm sure the whole priviledges case thing is currently visible in the rest of the West Bank too. Settlers enjoy full privileges, which also includes travel into '48 areas of Palestine as well as Jerusalem. Palestinians? They have none of this... while they also have restriced movement, not enough water, constant settler terror etc.
As to the ethnic cleansing of the Jordan Valley, the Jordan Valley rightfully belongs to Palestinians, and I don't see why Israel would need to protect "its borders" when those are the borders of a viable Palestinian state anywyay... I often feel that the excuse of taking land to set up military zones is just an excuse to annex more land.
I mean, if Israel is successful in annexing the whole of Palestine, then I bet you there would be no need for occupation, thus no need for military zones, and that annexed land? Even more cities will be built for Jews to live in.
You're right. They have absolutely zero to do with being Jewish. It is more of a hasbara trip, if anything.
Israel needs to feed propaganda to the youth so they will uphold its "honour" and join the IOF. Israel will do anything to survive.
Nothing worse than Lib Zio's telling Palestinians how to act. Yeah sure he's a "good-doer" by helping get the Palestinian narrative across however it is not up to THEM whether it be Israelis, Americans, whatever to shape that narrative into whatever way it suits them.
Good point Susan about the homes and the reclamation of homes. Also the comment at the end of the film about there being no attempt to reclaim these books. Well of course... Palestinians remaining in Israel probably have no idea what happened to their property if they did flee to another city, they probably thought their belongings got destroyed. Palestinians in Arab Countries and the Palestinian territories are not allowed to return to their homes, so of course there was no attempt at reclamation! and another good point about why transfer them to Birzeit, Ramallah or Nablus when they can be returned to their rightful places?
And when you thought settlers couldn't get anymore radical...
Did the Iron dome really prevent Palestinian deaths though?
Maybe it could have, maybe not.
The only reason there was such a stark difference this time round is because of time length. Israel shot missiles into the Gaza strip for 8 days, as opposed to 22 days. In '08-'09 offensive, they even conducted an incursion into Gaza which increased casualties.
I left a similar comment as Norbert's on Yousef Munnayer's The Jerusalem Fund blog. Indeed the hypocrisy shines.
Roger Cohen also tweeted last night that a two state solution would entail no right of return for either side. However I called him out on his incorrect statement saying that the losers here are the Palestinians, as Jews would still be able to make aliyah to Israel as they have done in the past years.
This is disgusting.
If Israel is the "civilised man" then hell, I am fine with being a savage.
If stealing land, bombing innocent people, practising apartheid walls and so on is "civilised", then so be it.
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