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Keith

Radical dissident. Retired.

Website: http://saskck.blogspot.com

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  • Gaza killings are rending the Jewish community
    • MISTERIOSO- "Written by Adam Hochschild and published in 1998, “King Leopold’s Ghost: A Story of Greed, Terror and Heroism in Colonial Africa,” provides an excellent source to learn about King Leopold II and his monstrous crimes against humanity."

      True enough, but let us not focus the blame entirely upon King Leopold. What Leopold did was more-or-less within the norms of European behavior towards Third World peoples albeit on a somewhat larger scale. Europe has a long and bloody history of mass murder. In addition to "Kings Leopold's Ghost," I would also recommend "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" by Noam Chomsky which gives a broader picture of the West's history of mass murder and plunder, one not taught in schools. Reality may not be pleasant but it is what it is and we ignore it at our own peril.

    • JOEMOWREY- "Bernie Sanders. A real mensch, that guy."

      A sheepdog who keeps liberals from straying from overgrazed and unproductive pastures.

    • PHIL- "Gaza killings are rending the Jewish community"

      It used to be that when there was an Israeli Left, the Israeli stormtroopers were said to shoot and cry. Nowadays they shoot and laugh instead of cry, hence, the "liberal" American Jews have taken up the slack and do the crying for the Jewish community. This is an international division of labor. Yet how many of these weeping Jews disavow the Jewish state? Your "rending" is but another example of having your cake and eating it too, with a clear conscience to boot! Ritual incantations of little significance. Specific actions aside, American Jews overwhelmingly support Israel as a Jewish state and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future regardless of Israeli actions.

      I end with a Golda Meir quote which epitomizes the tribalist mentality and its ability to distort reality in a grotesque Judeocentric fashion.

      When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons." (Golda Meir) https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Golda_Meir

  • Falsely accusing Palestinians of anti-Semitism is malicious
    • MARNIE- "People like Alan Dershowitz and ‘rabbi’ schmuely b. should be made examples of and sued for defamation at least...."

      With all due respect, I think you have a rather naive view of our (or any) legal system. Our legal system primarily responds to power, not to justice. There is no way that Alan Dershowitz will ever be held to account. There is no way the CIA will ever be held to account. The US didn't become an empire by scrupulously adhering to international law, or any law, or common decency, or Christian morality, etc. The legal system is primarily intended to safeguard existing power relations and to create the illusion that these power relations are fair and objectively rational rather than arbitrary and under elite control.

  • 'NYT' columnist says killing Palestinian civilians is... good for Palestinians
    • BARI WEISS- "When Hamas attacked Israel in 2008, when Hamas attacked Israel in 2012, when it attacked Israel in 2014...."

      Jeez, what a Zionazi. Yeah, and when Poland attacked Germany in 1939 according to Hitler. That this total lack of intellectual honesty or morality is highlighted in the media indicates just how bad things are.

      As for the ongoing denigration of Hamas as a terrorist organization (listed as such by our State Department), I offer the following.

      "I am no stranger to Hamas. To me the movement is not an academic pursuit or abstract intellectual curiosity that only takes shape whenever it confronts the brute force that is Israel…be it in the 365 square kilometer (141 sq mi) confines of Gaza or in the streets and universities of the West Bank. To the contrary, I have been privileged to represent more than a few of its leaders for some two decades. On occasion, the movement has sought my counsel on issues of international law prior to making its decision on how best to proceed with a given matter.
      ....
      Contrary to the Israeli and Western effort to reduce Hamas to a collective of essentially unschooled or unsophisticated foreign born so-called Islamists, nothing could be further from the truth. Hamas is a movement born of Palestine, composed of Palestinians who were raised on the very streets where the blood of their people and families, has been lost to the occupation terror imposed by Israel. For the many who suffer from a now decade old blockade of Gaza–with its lack of food, water, medicine and mobility–Hamas and their families have known the same isolation and paid a like price.

      Comprised, originally, of physicians, scholars, academics, lawyers, scientists, artists, religious leaders and farmers, it is a movement that evolved of necessity, born in the vacuum of what would obviously become the failed vision of Oslo." (Stanley L. Cohen) https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/05/22/broken-dreams-and-lost-lives-israel-gaza-and-the-hamas-card/

  • Rob Malley and Chris Hayes can't talk about Adelson's influence in scrapping Iran deal
    • PETER IN SF- "I felt like following up to ask him if both he and his questioner were indulging in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that U.S. policy towards Israel is controlled by Jews, and in particular by Jewish billionaires who are buying influence."

      Would I be indulging in an anti-corporate conspiracy theory to suggest that corporations use lobbyists and campaign contributions and think tanks, etc, to try and influence US domestic and foreign policy? This is capitalism for cry sakes.

      Yet, it goes beyond this. We have, of late, experienced what can only be described as the Zionization of imperial foreign policy where the neocons have become mainstream. Total warmongering and complete support for Israel is the new normal.

    • BROADSIDE- "Maybe it’s time you visited the Alamo."

      Forget the Alamo, visit the new lynching museum in Alabama to learn about real and ugly American history. https://museumandmemorial.eji.org/

      And let us not forget what was done to the native Americans whose treatment was the inspiration for Hitler's lebensraum. https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/events/ugly-precursor-to-auschwitz-hitler-said-to-have-been-inspired-by-us-indian-reservation-system/

    • PHIL- "Because I just visited Poland."

      Perhaps you should now visit Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya and most of the "death squad democracies" in South America, etc, to get up to speed on all of the killing the empire has done since then. As a citizen of empire, your primary concern should be the current actions of empire, not the past actions of Nazi Germany. Do not use the past to turn a blind eye to the present and the future, nor to reinforce a narrow ethnic bias. Harping on anti-Semitism or potential anti-Semitism is a tactic to control the narrative, nothing more. And a successful one at that.

    • PHIL- "Because to do so smacks of assertions of outsize Jewish influence that were a hallmark of murderous, anti-Semitic campaigns in Europe."

      Not because they are afraid of American Jewish Zionist power and the impact on their careers? Yet you have introduced historical European Jewish victimhood implying latent Gentile anti-Semitism waiting to pounce. Why?

  • 'Likudism' invades the academy: continued Zionist attacks on activism and scholarship at SFSU
    • MOOSER- "Gonna be fun when those students, who will graduate looking for professional positions find out how hard it is to erase your social media history."

      Surely you jest. The tribe takes care of its own. This will be the crowning achievement on their resumes. They will get preferential treatment.

  • UN head says Gazans 'caged in a toxic slum from birth to death' as human rights council votes to investigate Israel
  • Protesting is not enough
    • MAGHLAWATAN- "Neoliberalism only has a few years left."

      The intended consequence of neoliberalism is steady state neo-feudalism. That is, corporate/financial control through universal debt servitude. Lord Gates, Great Lord Microsoft, Lord Blankfein, Great Lord Goldman Sachs, etc. In other words, corporare/financial control in a low/zero growth economy. Currently, there are a lot of superfluous people which need to be eliminated along with potential rivals to also be eliminated. When they talk of permanent war, they MEAN permanent war.

      MAGHLAWATAN- "After the next crash Central Banks will have no choice other than inflation."

      After the likely financial collapse, the elites will reconstruct the financial system in accordance with elite objectives. Money is power and the elites know how to obtain power. The game is rigged. Most capitalist economic theory is quasi religious in nature. Theoretically, it would be relatively simple to restructure the financial system to achieve social objectives, however, politically that is next to impossible. Much chaos ahead. Who will survive?

    • MAGHLAWATAN- "Israel is in a state of national psychosis."

      Finkelstein is quite aware of this. Below I link to a 15 minute interview with him in which he discusses this beginning at 9:15. The only chance for the Great March of Return to succeed was if it inspired an outpouring of solidarity in the West. It didn't, hence failed to achieve any objectives save martyrdom. Israel has even rejected Hamas plea for an end to the blockade and permitting the reconstruction of Gaza, two essential steps toward making Gaza "stable," which they don't want. My best guess is that they want Gaza to be permanently separate from the West Bank, perhaps by having Egypt take it. http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/05/14/finkelstein-wheres-the-solidarity-for-gaza-2-3/

    • MAGHLAWATAN- "If Gaza were stable...."

      US/Israel doesn't want Gaza stable any more than the empire wants Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, etc. stable. Gaza has been made an example of what happens when an occuppied population gets uppity. The empire is on a killing spree, barely bothering with pretexts or public opinion. They don't care. One goal may well be to reduce the global population through warfare and starvation. We are at the end of the hydrocarbon era and facing global environmental collapse. The global 1% won't compromise nor take prisoners. This is why I keep quoting neocon Richard Perle.

      "If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now." (Richard Perle) https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/richard_perle_183952i

    • MAGHLAWATAN- "Hamas should step aside and say it no longer wants to rule Gaza."

      Hamas is a creation of Israel which is used as a pretext. If you remove the pretext, another pretext will be created. Hamas notwithstanding, Israel could normalize relations with Gaza if it wanted to. Without Hamas, Israel would likely continue its policy towards Gaza, a new bogeyman invented. When you more-or-less control the Western media, you are able to create the perceived reality which suits your agenda.

      Prior to the Great March of Return, Norman Finkelstein had recommended a non-violent march to the fence knowing that Israel would kill dozens and maim hundreds. He thought that the image would so shock the conscience of the Western World that Israel would have have to capitulate. The Gazans did what he long recommended. The actual results speak for themselves.

  • 'NYT' writer who claims Zionism and human rights are intertwined ignores Palestinians
    • SIBIRIAK- "For a while, it seemed that the internet and social media were presenting a challenge to Establishment control of society's perceptions of reality."

      Not to me. When it comes to the internet's revolutionary potential, I have been Mondo's odd man out since 2011. The internet was developed by the military and is currently more-or-less controlled by elements of the Deep State. The initial freedom was a come-on to get you hooked. Not only are Facebook and Google huge spy machines where you spy on yourself, but the evolved dependency on the internet by organizations and individuals means that the web is actually a potent new form of social control. We are a bit off topic, hence, I have provided a link to a relevant article on "Keith's NO EMPIRE Blog" where I discuss this in more detail.

      http://saskck.blogspot.com/2014/12/technology-power-and-social-control.html

    • " He is eager to point out that Zionists were always part of the human rights movement."

      Surely not in Israel. Only in the Western multicultural societies where it advanced Jewish-Zionist interests. This is yet another example of how Jewish Zionists dominate the doctrinal system, controlling the mythology which shapes society's perceptions of reality.

  • Gaza massacre ends American political oath: Israel support is bipartisan
    • PHIL- "I felt their power lapping among the stale suits in the lobby."

      This is your idea of power? I could say more but not now. Maybe later. Maybe not. Maybe it will pass moderation. Maybe not.

  • West's failure to act will be cause of the next Gaza massacre
    • JONATHAN COOK- "Israel may be without remorse, but are western leaders feeling shamed?"

      Surely you jest. US/Israel made an example of Gaza to show that there will be no mercy anywhere. No compromise, no concessions. The empire is on a rampage which will likely intensify in the near future. Endless war everywhere. Hegemony or death.

      "If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now." (Richard Perle) https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/richard_perle_183952i

  • 'Today is one of the most tragic days in the history of the Jewish people': one American Jew's response to the Gaza massacre
    • HOWARD HOROWITZ- "Today is one of the most tragic days in the history of the Jewish people."

      Gee, Howard, don't you think that your focus should be more on the Gazans, not the history of Jewish tragedy?

      HOWARD HOROWITZ- "...we were slaughtered in the Holocaust...."

      Yes, how appropriate to bring up the Holocaust when discussing Gaza.

      HOWARD HOROWITZ- "We as Jews who remember the Holocaust and the victimization of the Jewish people stand in solidarity with the new Jews."

      Ah, the Holocaust again. Are you sure that you are discussing Gaza? And could you be more specific about what you mean by "stand in solidarity with?" Are you going to take positive action to end the illegal and inhumane blockade of Gaza? Stop Israel from continuing to "mow the lawn?" Or are you merely going to verbally condemn Israeli atrocities after the fact, even as you and your congregation continue to support Zionism and the Jewish state? Do you see the difference?

      HOWARD HOROWITZ- "Given this critical moment and today’s horrific events...."

      Not as horrific as Operation Protective Edge in 2014 in which 2131 Palestinians were killed (including 501 children) and 11,100 wounded (including 3374 children). And the primary reason for the protest was that the blockade of Gaza has made Gaza unlivable, with over 95% of the water undrinkable. This means that the approximately 1 million children of Gaza are forced to drink contaminated water, a de facto form of germ warfare.

      This has been going on a long time, Howard, and I suspect that aside from an occasional verbal condemnation, you and your congregation support Israel as a Jewish state thereby supporting a system which inevitably causes the types of injustice which you claim to oppose.

  • Stars — They’re Just Like Us: Celebs outraged over Gaza are speaking out
    • MONDOWEISS EDITORS- "Celebrities are outraged over Israel’s killing of protesters in Gaza."

      Yeah? How many? How many huge celebrity demonstrations? Brave celebrities? Courageous tweets? How pathetic that Mondoweiss takes such comfort in social media activity. How many US demonstrations did BDS or other "solidarity" groups organize? There has been some activity in Europe which is probably irrelevant in view of the power dynamics, but the US? A relevant quote from Aviva Chomsky.

      "Over the years I have come to see more and more of what Adolph Reed calls “posing as politics.” Rather than organizing for change, individuals seek to enact a statement about their own righteousness. They may boycott certain products, refuse to eat certain foods, or they may show up to marches or rallies whose only purpose is to demonstrate the moral superiority of the participants. White people may loudly claim that they recognize their privilege or declare themselves allies of people of color or other marginalized groups. People may declare their communities “no place for hate.” Or they may show up at counter-marches to “stand up” to white nationalists or neo-Nazis. All of these types of “activism” emphasize self-improvement or self-expression rather than seeking concrete change in society or policy. They are deeply, and deliberately, apolitical in the sense that they do not seek to address issues of power, resources, decision making, or how to bring about change." (Aviva Chomsky) https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/08/21/how-not-challenge-racist-violence

  • Israeli government minister justifies Gaza massacre by calling Palestinians 'Nazis'
    • PABELMONT- "I think Israel performs atrocities in full daylight on purpose, that purpose being to test the nations, to see what they can get away with."

      Perhaps it is less to see what they can get away with than to flaunt their power to act with impunity. And with all of the new Euro laws equating criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism, who would dare raise an objection?

      "If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now." (Richard Perle) https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/richard_perle_183952i

  • 'Gaza, Gaza' is chant from Palestinians demonstrating near new US embassy
    • PHIL- " It hears the criticisms coming from Europe and the Palestinian solidarity movement and it is frightened."

      So frightened that it is intentionally engaging in mass killing and maiming of non-violent protesters to show that defiance will not be tolerated? Israel is showing no restraint because it correctly perceives that it doesn't have to. What has been the biggest protest so far? Natalie Portman not sharing a stage with Netanyahu? What is BDS going to do? Get another popular star to cancel their visit to Israel? It is one thing to look on the bright side but being flat out delusional is never a good thing.

  • As Israel massacres more Gazans, 'NY Times' continues its distorted coverage -- with one honorable exception
    • FOLKS- It is time to look at the facts. The illegal blockade of Gaza was significantly tightened when the Palestinians defied Israel and elected Hamas in free and fair elections, hence, had to be punished for their uppity behavior. The PA refused to abide by the elections and attempted a coup in Gaza which Hamas preempted. Abbas is a quisling who gets paid to control the Palestinian population, which he does harshly. Hamas continues to act uppity, hence, needs to be eliminated. Israel wants the situation resolved, hence, has made Gaza unlivable, their economy destroyed, their water undrinkable. The Great March of Return was an act of desperation which Israel intends to crush with extreme violence to finally break the people's will. The lack of support from the so-called US Palestinian Solidarity Movement has essentially doomed the prospects for anything other than death and defeat. The escalation of the Syrian conflict with Israel targeting Iranian forces provides a convenient diversion which the US Zionist influenced media will seize upon, in addition to other misrepresentations. There is a strong possibility of regional war in the Middle East as the empire attacks all perceived enemies. If Israel has its way, Gaza will be fobbed off on Egypt with Israel washing its hands of responsibility. International law? Get serious, it is an imperial jungle out there! Defiance will not be tolerated, chaos facilitates dynamic stability, and most of the 99% (particularly in the Third World) are expendable.

      Norman Finkelstein comments on the current situation in part 3 of a three part interview. At this stage of the game, he is advising the Gazans not to go ahead with the May 15th demonstrations which he believes will only results in mass killing and maiming to no avail. http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/05/14/will-gaza-march-end-in-israels-worst-killings-yet-3-3/

      From a related article- "The West Bank’s civil society, that same incubator of activism that developed the BDS movement to “represent our cause,” were completely silent. The Palestinian diaspora was missing in (in)action. Those same voices, who always complain that no one cares about Palestinians, performed no concrete action in solidarity with Gaza. Where, in the U.S., were the mass petitions, hunger strikes, sit-ins, demonstrations or public forums in support of Gaza?" (Muhammad Shehada) http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/05/14/today-gaza-falls-into-the-valley-of-death-failed-abandoned-and-unwanted/

      "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." (George Orwell) https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/george_orwell_159438

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  • Live Blog: Massacre in Gaza as US and Israel celebrate embassy move to Jerusalem
    • MHUGHES976- "Mind you the mountain of pro-Israel prejudice is still so massive in public and political opinion that even in these circumstances of scandal and outrage hope has to be muted."

      True enough, yet Britain has at least had some protests. The US? Nothing. (excluding Spring Renouncer's lonely vigil outside the UN) We are in dark times which are likely to get worse before they get better, if they get better.

    • SPRING RENOUNCER- "Does anyone know if there will be a demonstration in NYC today?"

      Not unless BDS is able to get Natalie Portman to come and sign autographs.

    • SIBIRIAK- "Emily Thornberry MP, Labour’s Shadow Foreign Secretary, responding to the killing of Palestinians in Gaza today, said:"

      How interesting that they left out a significant part of her statement condemning the blockade and calling for it to be lifted. The full text is at Finkelstein's website.

      "The UK’s Shadow Foreign Secretary, Emily Thornberry, has condemned Israel’s ‘vicious and utterly avoidable slaughter’ in Gaza and called for ‘urgent and concerted international pressure’ on Israel to ‘lift the blockade on Gaza’ and ‘end Israel’s illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories’." http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/05/14/uk-shadow-foreign-secretary-condemns-israels-vicious-and-utterly-avoidable-slaughter/

      Also, Jeremy Corbyn made a strong statement which I quote in full. Pity BDS isn't doing more.

      "Today’s killing of dozens of unarmed protesters and the wounding of many more by Israeli forces in Gaza is an outrage that demands not just international condemnation, but action to hold those responsible to account.

      This slaughter follows weeks of killings of Palestinian civilians demonstrating for their right to return, most of whom are refugees or the families of refugees. Coming on the day President Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, it underlines the threat to peace posed by the continuing and intolerable injustices faced by the Palestinian people.

      The response from many western governments to this flagrant illegality, including our own – which bears a particular responsibility for a peaceful and just resolution of the Israel-Palestine conflict – has been wholly inadequate. They should take a lead from Israeli peace and justice campaigners: to demand an end to the multiple abuses of human and political rights Palestinians face on a daily basis, the 11-year siege of Gaza, the continuing 50-year occupation of Palestinian territory and the ongoing expansion of illegal settlements.

      We cannot turn a blind eye to such wanton disregard for international law. That is why Labour is committed to reviewing UK arms sales to Israel while these violations continue.

      The international community must at last put its collective authority and weight behind achieving a lasting settlement that delivers peace, justice and security for both Israelis and Palestinians, who have waited so long to achieve their rights." (Jeremy Corbyn) http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/05/14/labour-party-leader-jeremy-corbyn-condemns-israels-slaughter-demands-end-to-the-siege-of-gaza/

    • UNVERIFIED- "... do you actually believe Israeli soldiers just randomly started shooting people harmlessly protesting...."

      Not randomly. Initially, any protester identified as a leader or Hamas monitor was singled out for execution. The rest were targeted to be maimed. To date, over 8500 protesters have been wounded, hardly an insignificant number, particularly in view of NO Israeli casualties.

      "At least 49 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli snipers since the protest began on March 30, and 8,500 have been wounded...." (Kevin Zeese - Margaret Flowers) https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/05/14/high-alert-for-palestinian-slaughter-and-conflict-with-iran/

      UNVERIFIED- "I’m not trying to be pro-Israel here but geez, let’s at least not be intellectually-dishonest."

      You are obviously pro-Israel and intellectually dishonest. Gaza is an open air prison, the blockade is illegal and meant to punish the Gazans for voting the wrong way, and the water is now over 96% contaminated due to Israeli actions, a form of de facto chemical/germ warfare against a trapped population with nowhere to flee. Have you no heart whatsoever? If there was any justice, the Israelis would have to trade places with the Gazans for a year to see how they like it, and you would have to join them. Sound fair to you?

      "Thousands of Gazans, most of whom have been living on bread and salt for months, couldn’t wait any longer. No longer able to withstand being chained to a place where their children are being poisoned by the water they drink, crowds marched on the border with Israel, if only to scream at the world: “We are here.” Despite the proven dangers that await, many believe that dying there is better than the slow death they face in Gaza’s refugee camps." http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/05/14/today-gaza-falls-into-the-valley-of-death-failed-abandoned-and-unwanted/

  • 'Superpowers will not give us freedom so we will take it with our own hands': scenes from Gaza's final Friday protest at the border
    • JACK GREEN- "...Palestinians will bring in more & better weapons so that they can exterminate the Jews."

      Ah, the Ashkenazi man's burden! It appears that psychologically, the oppressor tends to hate those he oppresses. Assuages his conscience and all. This hatred is then projected onto his victims. Your complete lack of empathy for a suffering people is duly noted.

    • JACK GREEN- "Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries."

      Gosh, Jack, this has a familiar ring to it. Yet another copy-and-paste to a discredited meme? "Majority-gentile countries?" How many "minority-gentile" countries have there been? And what has been the fate of the Gentiles in the only majority-Jewish country? Any Palestinians analogous to the Rothschilds?

  • Ending seventy years of exile for Palestinian refugees
    • ROHA- "They have to be cleared out to make the place Jewish."

      Since the Gazans are imprisoned in Gaza and cannot flee, and since Gaza is now more-or-less unlivable, the intent appears to be to get Egypt to be responsible for Gaza. No? We will see. The empire is on a rampage, Gaza a small part of a bigger ugly picture.

    • BORIS- "Here, you’ve read it. Settle them, stop calling them refugees, and the problem is solved."

      The impetus for all of these articles is the Gaza protest marches. The Gazans are under a blockade and cannot leave Gaza. They are illegally trapped under inhumane conditions. Your comment is a perfect example of why emphasizing the Right of Return instead of the illegal and immoral blockade is a bad idea. How easily you are able to misrepresent reality to make it appear that the Gazans could easily solve the problem. End the blockade and the killing and maiming, then we'll talk.

    • FRANCESCA ALBANESE- (From the bio)- "Francesca Albanese is an international lawyer based in Washington DC."

      Things look different from a DC armchair than from the ground in Gaza. I am with Norman Finkelstein on this. To emphasize the Right of Return while dozens of people are killed, many thousands injured and maimed by snipers, in the Gaza prison, while an illegal and immoral blockade continues will culminate in a complete disaster. A victory (how many have there been?) over the blockade would inspire the resistance. Another bloody defeat will likely break the resistance completely. If you can't stop the killing and maiming NOW, and end the illegal blockade, you cannot reasonably expect to accomplish anything. You will have shown the Israeli Zionists that the BDS solidarity movement has no red lines which would cause mass mobilizations, preferring instead to focus on getting Rock Stars to not perform in Israel.

  • Jews Say No! publishes 'Moving Forward’ to highlight Jewish National Fund role in the Nakba
    • DABAKER- "The Palestinian Arabs of Gaza lost the chance to decide their future when t hey elected Hamas...."

      The Palestinians of Gaza never had a chance to decide their future. When they attempted to do so by voting for Hamas (once supported by Israel as a counter to the PA, by the way), their Israeli jailers punished them by tightening the blockade. Noam Chomsky provides some details.

      "A few weeks after Israeli troops withdrew, leaving the occupation intact, Palestinians committed a major crime. In January 2006, they voted the wrong way in a carefully monitored free election, handing control of the Parliament to Hamas. The media constantly intone that Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. In reality, its leaders have repeatedly made it clear and explicit that Hamas would accept a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus that has been blocked by the US and Israel for 40 years. In contrast, Israel is dedicated to the destruction of Palestine, apart from some occasional meaningless words, and is implementing that commitment.
      ....
      There should be no need to review again the horrendous record since. The relentless siege and savage attacks are punctuated by episodes of “mowing the lawn,” to borrow Israel’s cheery expression for its periodic exercises of shooting fish in a pond in what it calls a “war of defense.” Once the lawn is mowed and the desperate population seeks to reconstruct somehow from the devastation and the murders, there is a cease-fire agreement. These have been regularly observed by Hamas, as Israel concedes, until Israel violates them with renewed violence."
      (Noam Chomsky)
      http://zcomm.org/znetarticle/outrage/

    • CATALAN- "I think this is a mental health issue and needs to be approached that way."

      Your armchair flippancy is not appreciated. The surest and quickest way to improve the mental health of the Gazans would be to stop killing/maiming them and to end the illegal and inhumane blockade.

  • Mahmoud Abbas seals his intellectually impoverished legacy
    • NADIA NASER-NAJJIB- " In the post-Oslo era, a gulf has emerged between the Palestinian population and its leadership, who are now more accountable to external donors than those they ostensibly represent."

      Indeed, Abbas is essentially an imperial quisling who depends upon international funding for his employment, the West Bank Palestinian military/police equipped and trained by the US for the purpose of controlling the Palestinian population.

      A less serious problem, but a problem nonetheless, is the extent to which diaspora Palestinians living and working in the imperial West are frequently dependent upon the so-called solidarity NGOs for their funding and well-being. For example, JVP has a history of utilizing charges of anti-Semitism to control the discourse and set the agenda for groups such as the "Free Gaza Movement," and when that fails withdrawing support. Even now, the emphasis on the Right of Return rather than on stopping the killing and maiming and ending the illegal blockade seems to me counterproductive to the current Gaza protests.

      "B’Tselem field researcher Olfat al-Kurd, Muhammad Sabah and Khaled al-‘Azayzeh documented not only casualties, but also the back line of the demonstrations: teens playing soccer, women baking bread, food stalls, and Gazans asking for an end to the Israeli blockade that has made their lives intolerable." https://www.btselem.org/node/211997

    • STEPHEN SHENFIELD- " ...Jews were compelled to take up such occupations as moneylending, which were prohibited for Christians."

      What, exactly, was the penalty for failure to become a financier? Would rebellious financiers be allowed to return to the peasantry?

  • By wrecking Iran deal, Trump politicized Israel
    • PHIL- “There are now two Wests. One, led by the leaders of Germany, France + UK, which believes in liberal democracy and international law,” Peter Beinart writes. “And a second, headquartered in Washington + Jerusalem, which holds those values in contempt.”

      Beinart may be softening his Zionism, however, his support for empire remains strong. "Liberal democracy?" There is nothing "liberal" about capitalist "democracy" where money and financial power rules supreme. As for international law, the entire imperial West holds international law in contempt, something to be used to justify war against the weak, but flouted by the strong.

      One can never honestly discuss the reality of power and geopolitics using the imagery of imperial mythology. Virtually all of the 1% have utter contempt for justice and the rule of law for the 99%.

  • Every day Jewish settlers attack us
    • JLEWISDICKERSON- "The filmmaker plays detective as he sorts through decades of the Holocaust survivor's letters and photos."

      In regards to the medal depicted, "When Hitler came to power, the German Zionist Federation (ZVfD) believed that its doctrine - that Germany wasn't the homeland of the Jews - would lead to Nazi support for Zionism. The ZVfD organized a six month visit to Palestine for SS officer Leopold von Mildenstein. "Der Angriff" (The Assault),the leading Nazi propaganda organ, ran von Mildenstein's pro-Zionist report in 1934. To commemorate the Baron's expedition, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels had a meal struck: on one side the Zionist star, on the other the Nazi swastika." (cover credit page, "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators," Lenni Brenner)

      Von Mildenstein wasn't the only Nazi impressed with Zionism. Later, Adolph Eichmann would also visit pre-World War II Palestine as a guest of the Zionists. He had this to say: "I did see enough to be very impressed by the way the Jewish colonists were building up their land. I admired their desperate will to live, the more so since I myself was an idealist. In the years that followed I often said to Jews with whom I had dealings that, had I been a Jew, I would have been a fanatical Zionist. I could not imagine being anything else. In fact, I would have been the most ardent Zionist imaginable." (Adolph Eichmann, quoted in "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators," by Lenni Brenner, p119)

  • Philadelphia Jewish groups try to stop publication of article critical of Israel, insist on BDS training for Inquirer editors
    • PHIL- "These donors are the new Jewish establishment: civic leaders in liberal states who are also big supporters of the Democratic Party, and Israel."

      At this stage of the game, the Democratic Party is a Zionist Party, to the right of J Street on foreign policy.

  • Major bike race will kick off in Jerusalem Friday even as snipers line up on Gaza border
    • NATHAN- "(well, their motivation is actually the hatred of Israel, and not really the support of Palestinians)."

      No, this is your anti-Gentilism manifesting itself by projecting onto others the hatred you feel towards non-Jews in general and Palestinians in particular. With the defeat of Nazi Germany, Israel is the last Blood and Soil nation in existence. Why are you so opposed to equal rights for all citizens?

    • NATHAN- "I, personally, think that the best option for the Palestinians would be to end the conflict with Israel...."

      You take your hat off to Misterioso then ignore everything he says. Israel is overwhelmingly powerful compared to the Palestinians and could easily end the conflict by abiding with international law. The first step would be to stop killing/maiming/poisoning the Gazans and end the illegal, immoral and inhumane blockade of Gaza. But, for a variety of reasons, Israel seeks to prolong the conflict and expand greater Israel.

  • Remembering Joel Kovel, a restless explorer
    • PHIL- "...in 2007 he published an important book, Overcoming Zionism...."

      Indeed, "Overcoming Zionism" is a very important book which I highly recommend. The book contains many important insights which gain added appeal due to the author's highly skilled use of language to convey a message. Therefore, what follows are a few of my favorite quotes to convey Kovel's insights. All quotes are from "Overcoming Zionism."

      "Yet Zionism's dynamic was drawn from the most tribal and particularistic stratum of Judaism, and its destiny became the restoration of tribalism in the guise of a modern, highly militarized and aggressive state." (p33)

      "Zionism is Jewish power - worldly and state power: military, economic and ideological, too. It is the power, which, to paraphrase Thomas Hobbes, is the capacity to give names and enforce definitions, including the definition which collapses Jewishness into support of Israel....The language of Zionism is a rendering of the dialectic of Judaism into a singular power-form, and with a big army behind it, an army not just military but also a very large apparatus within state and civil society, staffed by new Jews who are not simply Jews, therefore, but power-Jews, Jews whose sincere devotion to Israel is also a sincere attachment to the pillars of empire." (p133)

      "From a purely instrumental standpoint, the Shoah proved the greatest asset ever acquired by Zionism, one sedulously cultivated over the years." (p66)

      "The Shoah did not determine the inner drive and logic of Zionism, but it had the highly important result of allowing this to be shown outwardly in a benign light that drew in vast degrees of support for what had hitherto had been considered a marginal and dubious idea." (P68)

      The burden of antisemitism, which was the perceived stimulus to Zionism, became integrated into Zionism as an essential condition for it. Judaeophobia acquired an ominous kind of necessity: rather than stimulating the drive to transform the social conditions from which Judaeophobia arose, antisemitic persecution was drawn into service, it became a useful, and even necessary, wheel in the machinery of Zionism." (p35)

  • The 'One Democratic State Campaign' program for a multicultural democratic state in Palestine/Israel
    • ECHINOCOCCUS- "The two, in fact, are complementary."

      Is the BDS movement pulling out all of the stops in support of the Gaza protests and of ending the blockade? If not, why not? Finkelstein says he is amazed and depressed by the lack of support from the International Solidarity Community. Is he lying? As far as I am concerned, focusing on RoR while these demonstrations and Israeli violence are occurring is an armchair luxury. Over 6000 protesters have shot or otherwise injured already, that is where the priority should be.

    • KATHLEEN- "So how can he say that a focus on “right of return” is a “complete disaster”

      Because the unjustified Israeli violence against these protests highlights the inhumane nature of the illegal blockade and could provide a basis for ending the blockade. This could possibly be a currently achievable demand to create the international pressure to end the blockade NOW. Do you really think that Israel would agree to RoR now? Do you really believe that the dozens of deaths and thousands of woundings in pursuit of unrealizable objectives is not a disaster? You have to have priorities. To emphasize everything is to emphasize nothing. Gaza's water supply is now 95% contaminated and Gaza is forecast to be unlivable by 2020. Where should the priority be? Right of Return or end the siege/blockade. Remember, these people cannot flee Gaza to become refugees elsewhere.

      You linked to Ann Wright of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla which rightly seeks to end the blockade of Gaza. This is where the priority should be, everything else comes after that, particularly with the demonstrations going on. I should point out that several years ago that JVP withdrew its support of the Free Gaza Movement over bogus charges of anti-Semitism. Mondoweiss supported JVP, a mistake in my view. If you can't end the blockade, you won't be able to even dream about the RoR. Israel could end the illegal and murderous blockade now. The Right of Return requires a process which takes time. There is no time.

    • SIBIRIAK- "Okay, Wikipedia is not necessarily a reliable source, but I haven’t seen any Palestinian disavowal of the RoR focus, have you?"

      Like you, I am a prisoner of the media. "THE GREAT MARCH OF RETURN" has a nice ring to it. The point being that I have not seen any demands being made by the whoever is behind this. The illegality and inhumanity of the blockade is being made by others such as Ramzy Baroud http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ and Norman Finkelstein. http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/05/04/finkelstein-on-gaza-his-most-important-speech-ever-dont-miss-it/ Beginning at the 1 hour mark, Finkelstein, almost in tears, laments the current lack of solidarity of almost all of the International Solidarity Movement for Palestine. I am with Finkelstein on this. The emphasis SHOULD be to stop the killing/maiming and ending the blockade of Gaza. That may be doable, at least to some extent. RoR isn't and won't be in the near future. The way things look right now, US/Israel is moving toward additional conflict with Iran and is unlikely to compromise on much of anything. And I think that Aviva Chomsky's observations apply to much of the BDS movement.

    • SIBIRIAK- (Finkelstein quote)- Now unfortunately, the leadership [of the Gaza protests] right now has decided not to focus on the siege, and has instead decided to focus on the right of return. And I think that’s a complete disaster, because you can’t get public opinion behind it."

      During the video, he doesn't specify what "leadership" he is talking about and I assumed, based upon his previous comments, that he meant the BDS leadership. Now you say that he is talking about some other "leadership?" If the official demands prioritize the RoR, then this will be a complete disaster. Furthermore, I believe that this so-called leadership doesn't represent the mass of Palestinian protesters. How could it? I believe that the mass of protesters are protesting the conditions of life in Gaza caused by the blockade regardless of contrary statements by so-called leaders. The quotes I provided to Donald Johnson would tend to support this.

    • DONALD JOHNSON- "Also, why can’t people talk about Gaza and long term solutions simultaneously?"

      For the same reason you don't engage in long range planning when the building is on fire. Gaza is on fire, Bro'. Furthermore, if you can't get the Israeli Jews to stop killing, maiming and starving the Gazans, there is no point in discussing some utopian, anti-Zionist solution 50 years down the road. And what is a long term solution for a Gaza which will be unlivable by 2020?

      DONALD JOHNSON- "The Gaza protests are about the right of return, from what I have read."

      No doubt that is what Israeli propaganda would like the world to believe, to argue about the right of return rather than the illegal, immoral and inhumane blockade.

      "Gazans are grappling with an economy in collapse. Hospitals are short on medicine and there is electricity only for a few hours at a time. The water is undrinkable and raw sewage is pumped into the sea. While Gaza was poor and crowded to begin with, the 11-year-old blockade by Israel and Egypt has driven it into crisis.
      ....
      “These demonstrations have made the Palestinian people’s voice heard, and made the world hear its scream,” said Ahmed Abu Artema, a Gazan social-media activist who dreamed up the protest. “The aim of the siege is a fatal force targeting us. But we’ve decided to turn this pain into a positive spirit.”
      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/07/world/middleeast/gaza-protests-israel.html

      Donald, I have come to view this never ending discussion of one-state versus two-states and the right of return as analogous to what was once called the peace process, virtually irrelevant activity. I think the goals should be doable and relatively short term. If you can't even begin to get the small stuff, why waste time arguing over long term contentious issues? I close with a quote from Aviva Chomsky (Noam's daughter).

      "Over the years I have come to see more and more of what Adolph Reed calls “posing as politics.” Rather than organizing for change, individuals seek to enact a statement about their own righteousness. They may boycott certain products, refuse to eat certain foods, or they may show up to marches or rallies whose only purpose is to demonstrate the moral superiority of the participants. White people may loudly claim that they recognize their privilege or declare themselves allies of people of color or other marginalized groups. People may declare their communities “no place for hate.” Or they may show up at counter-marches to “stand up” to white nationalists or neo-Nazis. All of these types of “activism” emphasize self-improvement or self-expression rather than seeking concrete change in society or policy. They are deeply, and deliberately, apolitical in the sense that they do not seek to address issues of power, resources, decisionmaking, or how to bring about change." (Aviva Chomsky) https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/08/21/how-not-challenge-racist-violence

    • STEPHEN SHENFIELD- "Perhaps they are also demanding an end to the blockade...."

      My impression is that they are primarily protesting the blockade. I have difficulty imagining marching on the militarized border and suffering massive casualties in order to demand some diaspora Palestinian be granted the right to return to the West Bank even as they continue to be confined to an area which is practically unlivable and soon will be. I might add that all past cease fire agreements to past Gaza conflicts have specified a loosening of the blockade (which Israel ignores) but no mention of the right of return.

    • JEFF HALPER- "As important as protests, activism, BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) and other campaigns and actions may be, there is no substitute for a political settlement that will finally end the oppression and violence."

      Jeff, perhaps it has escaped your attention that there is a non-violent protest in Gaza in opposition to the illegal, immoral and inhumane blockade going on. As of April 25, there have been 40 protesters killed and 5511 wounded. https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/40-dead-5-511-wounded-un-figures-on-casualties-in-gaza-mass-protests-1.6030556

      Debating one-state versus two-state while this is occurring is diversionary and extraordinarily counterproductive. If you can't stop the killing and maiming, you won't be able to do anything positive. If something this bad can go on, why pretend that anything positive can happen? The time to defer the long term and support the Gaza protests is now. The time to focus on the inhumane blockade of Gaza is now. Any other course of action is an abdication of responsibility.

      As for a one-state long term solution, below I link to a Norman Finkelstein Q & A where he discusses this and the current Gaza situation.

      Finkelstein Q/A #5- http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/04/15/norman-finkelstein-in-san-diego-segment-5-of-5/

  • The struggle of Palestinians is the struggle of Native Americans
    • SIBIRIAK- "Netanyahu accuses Palestinian president of antisemitism"

      Confronted with graphic evidence of Israel committing murder and maiming to maintain an illegal, immoral and inhumane blockade of Gaza, what can Netanyahu do? Get his hired shill Abbas to talk about the Holocaust and Jewish financiers in order to divert attention? Looks like it, doesn't it?

    • BORIS- "The prosecution of Jews over the centuries is well documented."

      Documented in Zionist myth-history, not real history. It has only been more recently that Jews have even been concerned about Jewish history.

      "Classical Judaism had little interest in describing or explaining itself to the members of its own community, whether educated (in talmudic studies) or not. It is significant that the writing of Jewish history, even in the driest annakistic style, ceased completely from the time of Josephus Flavius (end of first century) until the Renaissance, where it was revived for a short time in Italy and in other countries where Jews were under strong Italian influence....The first book on Jewish history proper (dealing with ancient times) was promptly banned and suppressed by the highest rabbinical authorities, and did not reappear before the 19th century." (p19,20, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," Israel Shahak)

      "All modern studies on Judaism, particularly by Jews, have evolved from that conflict, and to this day they bear the unmistakable marks of their origin: deception, apologetics or hostile polemics, indifference or even active hostility to the pursuit of truth. Almost all the so-called "Jewish studies in Judaism," from that time to this very day, are polemics against an external enemy rather than an internal debate." (p22, Shahak)

      "But in my opinion a far more important reason was the social role of the Jews as an integral part of the upper classes. In many countries Jews were treated as potential nobles and, upon conversion, were able immediately to intermarry with the highest nobility. The nobility of 15th century Castile and Aragon or the aristocracy of 18th century Poland - to take two cases where intermarriage with converted Jews was widespread - would hardly be likely to marry Spanish peasants or Polish serfs, no matter how much praise the Gospel has for the poor." (p67, Shahak)

  • Gaza and the limits of American sympathy
  • IDF claims most Gazan casualties were 'accidental'
    • "A “senior officer” told Haaretz reporter ‘Amos Harel that most Gazans killed by the IDF since March 30th were killed accidentally, claiming that IDF snipers were aiming to wound them but that the protesters either bent down just as the sniper was pulling the trigger or were killed by shrapnel from the ground."

      The implication being what? That intentionally wounding/maiming over 3500 protesters (and counting) is an acceptable means of crowd control?

  • Flaming kites mark fifth Friday of Gaza protests
    • ROHA- "However, if I even hint that the behaviour or attitudes of some Jews just might have contributed to anti-Semitism, hophmi will be furious, Yonah will produce a doleful screed, and the moderators will have an attack of the vapours."

      That is because perceptions of anti-Semitism (and the anti-Gentilism it implies) are a central components of the tribal kinship which Zionism promotes.

    • MONDONUT- "So anything other than killed or wounded is peaceful and non-violent?"

      The casualty figures tell us who is being killed and injured and who is doing the killing and injuring. As of April 28th, the Israel friendly Washington Post reports that "Since the protests began, Israeli troops have killed 43 Palestinians and wounded more than 3,500 with live ammunition, rubber bullets or shrapnel, the Health Ministry said. Of those, about 2,200 have suffered injuries to the legs." http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/04/30/even-awful-washington-post-better-than-the-new-york-sturmer-times/

      All of this murder and mayhem without Israeli casualties? Just how violent can these demonstrations be? And you defend this. You refuse to call murder murder. You refuse to call intentional maiming intentional maiming. You refuse to call an illegal, immoral and inhumane blockade an illegal, immoral and inhumane blockade. You refuse to acknowledge Israel's overwhelming power advantage and ability to end the blockade unilaterally. You defend Israel's ongoing abuse of the Gazans, including periodic mass-murder (mowing the lawn). You have no shame, just overweening group loyalty. Israel uber alles.

    • MONDONUT- "Did you even read the story?"

      Yes, it said that "Fahd prepares 15-20 kites with flaming rags dangling from their tails." Your quote notwithstanding, nowhere does it say that these kites drop Molotov cocktails anywhere. You are the one who claimed Molotov cocktails which would be too heavy for the kites. You did it because of the image of Molotov cocktails being thrown which could present real physical danger to those where they land. The kites are stupid, but they are not Molotov cocktails. You are shamelessly trying to justify murder. Of course, there are those who would admire your abandonment of intellectual and moral integrity in order to support group solidarity.

      "I did see enough to be very impressed by the way the Jewish colonists were building up their land. I admired their desperate will to live, the more so since I myself was an idealist. In the years that followed I often said to Jews with whom I had dealings that, had I been a Jew, I would have been a fanatical Zionist. I could not imagine being anything else. In fact, I would have been the most ardent Zionist imaginable." (Adolph Eichmann, quoted in "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators," by Lenni Brenner, p119)

    • MONDONUT- "My only comment on the kites were that they are neither peaceful nor non-violent."

      You conflated them with Molotov cocktails, hardly a "fact." What is your idea of non-violent and peaceful? Sitting quietly at your desk with your head down while your friends are being shot by Israeli murders who are whooping it up? None of this would be happening if Israel lived up to its agreements and treated the Palestinians decently. Let us review the reality.

      "The official story is that after Israel graciously handed Gaza over to the Palestinians, in the hope that they would construct a flourishing state, they revealed their true nature by subjecting Israel to unremitting rocket attack and forcing the captive population to become martyrs to so that Israel would be pictured in a bad light. Reality is rather different.

      A few weeks after Israeli troops withdrew, leaving the occupation intact, Palestinians committed a major crime. In January 2006, they voted the wrong way in a carefully monitored free election, handing control of the Parliament to Hamas. The media constantly intone that Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. In reality, its leaders have repeatedly made it clear and explicit that Hamas would accept a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus that has been blocked by the US and Israel for 40 years. In contrast, Israel is dedicated to the destruction of Palestine, apart from some occasional meaningless words, and is implementing that commitment.
      ....
      The crime of the Palestinians in January 2006 was punished at once. The US and Israel, with Europe shamefully trailing behind, imposed harsh sanctions on the errant population and Israel stepped up its violence. By June, when the attacks sharply escalated, Israel had already fired more than 7700 [155 mm] shells at northern Gaza.

      There should be no need to review again the horrendous record since. The relentless siege and savage attacks are punctuated by episodes of “mowing the lawn,” to borrow Israel’s cheery expression for its periodic exercises of shooting fish in a pond in what it calls a “war of defense.” Once the lawn is mowed and the desperate population seeks to reconstruct somehow from the devastation and the murders, there is a cease-fire agreement. These have been regularly observed by Hamas, as Israel concedes, until Israel violates them with renewed violence." (Noam Chomsky)
      http://zcomm.org/znetarticle/outrage/

    • MONDONUT- "And how exactly is pointing out that molotov cocktails are not peaceful blowing them all out of proportion?"

      You are an apologist for murder and for the inhumane and immoral blockade of Gaza who can't tell the difference between a kite with a burning tail from a Molotov cocktail. These kites are pathetic and you most certainly are blowing them all out of proportion. Have you no conscience?

      "There is, evidently, much satisfaction to be gained by careful inspection of those writhing under our boot, to see if they are behaving properly; when they are not, as is often the case, indignation is unconstrained." (Noam Chomsky)

    • MONDONUT- "Peaceful, non-violent Molotov cocktail kites"

      Kites as an existential threat? Have you no intellectual or moral integrity whatsoever? The kites are pathetic, yet you attempt to blow them all out of proportion. Kites versus helicopter gunships and tanks! Have you no shame? How many Israeli Jews have been murdered by these kites? How many Palestinians have been murdered by Israeli snipers? And, more significantly, by "mowing the lawn?" Zionazi apologist.

    • BORIS- "All of them!"

      Why don't the Israeli stormtroopers turn the tables on them? Ground the helicopter gunships, forego the artillery and tanks, and fly kites over Gaza?

    • "Some kites marked with a swastika were seen flying on April 20, which was Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s birthday."

      What idiot did this?

  • Las Vegas print shop refuses to print JVP banner over Israel politics
    • " Does JVP support the ADL?

      My attempt to edit above failed. The answer is that, to it's credit, JVP was involved in the demotion of the ADL.

      "JVP circulated a petition against inclusion of ADL, which garnered 11,000 signatures in 72 hours. According to Vilkomerson, the “enormous outpouring” on Twitter of opposition to ADL’s initial central role in the training and the “week-long pushback,” including JVP’s petition, led Starbucks to back down." (Marjorie Cohn) https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/protests-force-starbucks-to-ditch-adl-from-leading-anti-racism-training/

    • ECHINOCOCCUS- "Starbucks, the committed Zionist b&^%$, have chosen the ADL to give lessons of “antiracist sensitivity”!"

      In response to community outrage at this latest insensitivity, the ADL has been demoted to a consulting role. Does JVP support the ADL? Some quotes and a link.

      "Community outrage at ADL’s central role in the training was swift and strong. Starbucks demoted ADL to a consulting role, and named representatives of three prominent African-American-led civil rights organizations to lead the training.
      ....
      Tamika Mallory, co-chair of the Women’s March and Black Lives Matter, called for a boycott of Starbucks. Mallory, a nationally prominent organizer for gun control and women’s rights, and against police violence, is the 2018 recipient of the Coretta Scott King Legacy Award.

      Mallory tweeted that Starbucks “is NOT serious about doing right by BLACK people!” because of the prominent role it gave ADL, which “is CONSTANTLY attacking black and brown people.”
      ....
      Linda Sarsour, also co-chair of the Women’s March, wrote on Facebook that ADL is “an anti-Arab, anti-Palestinian organization that peddles Islamophobia and attacks America’s prominent Muslim orgs and activists and supports/sponsors US law enforcement agents to travel and get trained by Israeli military.”

      Palestinian-American comedian, activist and professor Amer Zahr grew up in Philadelphia. Zahr told this reporter that ADL and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) “were the architects of the anti-Arab and anti-Islamic industry in America for the last 50 to 60 years.” (Marjorie Cohn) https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/protests-force-starbucks-to-ditch-adl-from-leading-anti-racism-training/

    • MOOSER- "...it doesn’t look like a propitious place to picket."

      Unless they pick up and deliver to most of their customers, someone is going in and out the front door. Certainly more visible than the inside of a courtroom 6 months down the road. The time to protest Gaza is now. Even the Orthodox school children are protesting. But not JVP? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=378981719174317&id=263127990759691

    • ANNIE- "the 2 are not mutually exclusive."

      MLK didn't get sidetracked with lawsuits. Sheila Hacco has provided JVP with a golden opportunity to get publicity and awareness which is what BDS is all about. They should be picketing Valley Press with signs which say "VALLEY PRESS DISCRIMINATES AGAINST JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE" and "ISRAEL MURDERS PALESTINIAN CHILDREN." Street heat and economic pressure NOW in support of the Gaza protests, not some invisible lawsuit which drags on forever and which garners Valley Press support from Zionist organizations. How much good have lawsuits done the Palestinians to date? This is about the Palestinians not JVP's right to get stuff printed. And Gaza is where the emphasis should be.

    • ANNIE- "keith, see my recent comment @ April 28, 2018, 5:35 pm"

      Yes, and I disagree. BDS is about boycotts, not lawsuits.

    • NATHAN- "Keith – Perhaps you could provide a link to the actual wording of the South Carolina legislation."

      Why don't you?

      NATHAN- " Actually, it is quite puzzling that she writes in her article about a change in the definition of anti-Semitism without telling us what is the original definition and how it has now been changed."

      She indicates the change involves including criticism of Israel in the definition of anti-Semitism. This is consistent with the State Department definition, other state laws and some of the European laws. There has been a big push these last twenty or so years by the major Zionist organizations to criminalize criticism of Israel. Mondoweiss has covered this. Haven't you been paying attention? Do you think that criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism? Do you think that Zionist Jews should act as society's censors?

      NATHAN- "However, if you tell someone that he shouldn’t have been born and that you wish that he’d just drop dead – that would be hostility."

      I currently have 3956 comments in my commenter file going back 8 years. Perhaps you could provide a few of my comments which you feel indicate hatred and hostility. Any where I say I wish someone would just drop dead, or are you creating a straw man because you lack substantive arguments? Your whole comment is one big red herring.

      NATHAN- "Finally, Keith, your claim of the “Zionist Jews using their power” is a kind of setback for the claim that anti-Zionism is not an expression of anti-Semitism. You should note that the central theme of classical anti-Semitism has always been the “power of the Jews”.

      Your attempt to conflate me with anti-Semites indicates your lack of intellectual and moral integrity, and suggests that anti-Gentilism lies at the heart of Jewish Zionism. None of these laws we have discussed appeared right after World War II when Jews and Zionism were considerably less powerful. Starting after the six day war, Zionism went on an extremely successful power quest. Jewish Zionist power has increased steadily since then. The power of the Israel Lobby has grown considerably and speaks for itself. Are you suggesting that Jews are a weak and powerless minority? That my opinion that Zionist Jews exercise considerable power and influence is out of touch with reality, the product of Jew hatred? You have turned reality on it head. It is Zionist Jews with their reckless charges of anti-Semitism which indicate the classical anti-Gentilism of medieval Jewry.

      "Everywhere, classical Judaism developed hatred and contempt for agriculture as an occupation and for peasants as a class, even more than for other Gentiles- a hatred of which I know no parallel in other societies. This is immediately apparent to anyone who is familiar with the Yiddish or Hebrew literature of the 19th and 20th centuries." (p52-53, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," Israel Shahak)

    • ANNIE- "like if you’re black just avoid taking your business to starbucks. oh yeah, that makes perfect sense."

      Let us begin with the obvious, the situations are not even remotely comparable. Does Starbucks support apartheid in South Africa? Did Starbucks refuse service to folks who opposed apartheid in South Africa? What does the "B" in BDS stand for? Are not supporters of BDS supposed to boycott businesses which support Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians? JVP can't find any non-Zionist print shops in Las Vegas to print their banner? It has to be Valley Press? They have to give their business to Valley Press? Some boycott. Finally, if Starbucks doesn't correct the situation and continues to exhibit racism against blacks, then, yes, blacks SHOULD boycott Starbucks. I am under the impression that the manager in question no longer works for the company and that the CEO of Starbucks either has or intends to personally apologize to the two black men. Does this sound like Sheila Hacco and Valley Press to you?

    • OLDGEEZER- "Message was objectionable? Objectional by whose opinion?"

      No, the message was not objectionable, hence, could not be used as a reason to refuse service. I thought I was clear, but perhaps not. In any event, I now wonder why JVP is even considering using this print shop. They should be picketing it instead. Echinococcus is right, getting Valley Press to print this seems a contradiction to what BDS is all about.

    • ECHINOCOCCUS- "Well, JVP, that’s what happens when you don’t research in advance and avoid taking your business to Zionism supporters, tribal or not."

      Good point. In a way, Sheila Hacco did Seth Morrison a favor. Instead of trying to force Valley Press to do business with them, perhaps an informational picket would be more appropriate. And you are right about the "progressive" crapolla. Meaning what? A tribal Democrat?

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "I cannot imagine that a printer can be forced to print something against their wishes."

      If the message was objectionable, perhaps not. However, who would claim to find "PALESTINIAN HUMAN RIGHTS" offensive and beyond the pale? Sheila Hacco originally was going to print the banner until she visited JVP's website. Is her business open to the public or not? Unless the banner itself was offensive, she should not have the power to ARBITRARILY discriminate. Unfortunately, in our Zionist friendly society, she probably can refuse JVP but not transgendered folks. I mean, if it is anti-Semitic to criticize Israel, then we all have an obligation to save the Zionists from the Palestinians.

    • KAY24- "While Americans worry about Russian influence...."

      Do they? Or is it just the warmongering "liberal" Democrats creating a pretext to pick a fight?

    • SETH MORRISON- " Sheila has every right to personally disagree with JVP’s position on Israel and Palestine but no right to use her printing company to censor our speech."

      Do you really expect an Israeli born Zionist Jew to care about your right to free speech? Besides, with Zionist Jews using their power to pass laws defining criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism, in the near future you could be arrested for even having the banner. Or discussing it, etc. And things are likely to get worse. Sheila has a totalitarian mindset backed by power. Below is a quote and link regarding this latest Zionist lawfare offensive.

      "The South Carolina Senate has recently passed legislation that changes the definition of anti-Semitism to include criticism of Israel, and then applies this new definition to college campuses in a manner that experts say will impede free academic inquiry. The U.S. gives Israel over $10 million per day, and Congress frequently approves increases to that amount; restricting discussion on this issue could serve to bolster and increase these expenditures.

      The legislation codifies a definition of anti-Semitism that significantly changes the meaning of the word, and it requires the state’s colleges to use this new definition when determining whether an action is “discriminatory” and therefore prohibited. This new definition declares statements that are critical of Israel—even when factual—“anti-Semitic” and therefore impermissible." (Allison Weir) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49295.htm

  • Israeli government justifies killing child protesters in Gaza: They're not in school
    • YONIFALIC- " we must talk about this history honestly and Mondoweiss should stop censoring facts."

      I agree. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen. I attempted to respond to your comment in some depth, but it didn't pass moderation even though it was innocuously phrased. One has to be practically blind not to see that Mondoweiss is an extremely Judeocentric website. And while I am aware of the impact external pressure, I am tired of making excuses for this. 1/2

  • Natalie Portman's criticism of 'atrocities' leaves Israel's advocates silent
    • SIBIRIAK- "American liberal Zionism is alive and kickin’!"

      Indeed, taking her at her word, what is she protesting other than Netanyahu? Does this mean that operations Cast Lead and Protective Edge were consistent with her "Jewish values?" The entire history of the Jewish state consistent with her "Jewish values?" Jewish Blood and Soil nationalism consistent with her "Jewish values?" 70 years of occupation consistent with her "Jewish values?" Apparently so.

    • NATALIE PORTMAN- "Israel was created exactly 70 years ago as a haven for refugees from the Holocaust."

      No it wasn't. Zionism represented the attempt to counteract the consequences of the enlightenment which caused a splintering of Jews between the Orthodox, Conservative, Reform and secular Jews. It was about re-establishing Jewish tribalism/kinship. The early Zionists absolutely rejected what they called refugeeism. They were more concerned with the consequences of assimilation. Some quotes.

      "When they come to us with two plans--the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land--I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land. The more said about the slaughter of our people, the greater the minimization of our efforts to strengthen and promote the Hebraisation of the land." (quoting Zionist official Yitzhak Gruenbaum, p51, "The Hidden History of Zionism," Ralph Schoenman)

      Plus the Zionists "...had a selection process that put greater weight on whether a particular Jew was a Zionist, in good health and capable of materially aiding the Zionist cause and economy over the need or vulnerability of that particular Jew. Thus, sometimes a Jew from the US or the Americas were given preference over a German or Eastern European Jew, and young adults were given preference over the elderly or young children." (Tree) http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/latest-generous-offer-leaked-israel-wants-to-control-jordan-river-and-40-of-west-bank-while-palestinians-get-temporary-borders/#comment-591577

  • Natalie Portman says, Enough!
    • CATALAN- "The idea that Israel will agree to the right of return because of celebrities watching out for their image is just nuts."

      I agree. In fact, I go farther. Focusing on the right of return rather than the blockade of Gaza is nuts. Worrying about some final solution decades down the road while Gaza is forecast to become unlivable around 2020 is little more than engaging in feel-good activity. The situation in Gaza is so dire, and the blockade so immoral and illegal, that it should be the highest priority. Furthermore, it has more chance of success and would be a critically important victory. And let us not get carried away over Natalie Portman. Had she decried the blockade of Gaza, then okay. But simply not attending a ceremony because she feels uncomfortable tells us what?

  • Israel and its Democratic Party friends complain -- Trump gave Syria to Russia 'on a silver platter'
    • ROB ROY- "Sibiriak, your entire screed...."

      Sibiriak is quoting the Hillary Clinton Email Archive. I assume that the entire screed is hers, and in no way represents Sibiriak's opinion.

    • SIBIRIAK- "Hillary Clinton Email Archive"

      The Clinton administration was the one which completely destroyed the last vestiges of the New Deal as they opted to abandon their voting base to compete with the Republicans for corporate/fat-cat dollars. Part of that process entailed out warmongering the Republicans. This was accomplished by camouflaging their actions behind do-gooder rhetoric. The amazing thing to me is the extent to which self-defined Democrats went along with actions which were diametrically opposed to their professed beliefs and values. Thus demonstrating that Democratic loyalty is primarily a function of social camaraderie devoid of principles which relies upon rhetorical fakery. Yet, the reality remains that the Democrats have intentionally become the primary go-to war party, Hillary the very personification of a warmongering Zionist neocon.

      These are perilous times. One indication of this is the massive, synchronized warmongering of the imperial media. I provide a link to an interesting discussion of our current 99% propaganda media with Chris Hedges and Mark Crispin Miller: https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2018/04/16/chris-hedges-and-mark-crispin-miller-corporate-medias-hurricane-of-propaganda/#more-193723

  • The 'Jewish nation' is the central myth of Zionism. It needs to be dismantled.
    • JETHRO- “How The Forward shamed 23andme into “fixing” Jewish history”

      Although perhaps significant in regards to the issue Boris raised, it is nonetheless a side issue in regards to the big picture. "One of the founders of 23andMe, Anne Wojcicki, is presently married to Sergei Brin, the founder of Google." (see below) Google is in the data mining business and apparently so is 23andMe. I strongly suspect that Google's biggest customer is the US government (NSA, CIA,etc). Facebook, Google, 23andMe, etc, are all part of the most intensive surveillance state ever imagined. We live in mind boggling times, the full ramifications far from apparent.

      "But as the FDA frets about the accuracy of 23andMe’s tests, it is missing their true function, and consequently the agency has no clue about the real dangers they pose. The Personal Genome Service isn’t primarily intended to be a medical device. It is a mechanism meant to be a front end for a massive information-gathering operation against an unwitting public." (Charles Seife) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/23andme-is-terrifying-but-not-for-the-reasons-the-fda-thinks/

    • MOOSER- "Doesn’t Judaism descend through the matriarchal line?"

      Judaism perhaps, but Jewishness no. Since Israel's law of return defines who is a Jew "based upon Hitler's Nuremberg Laws," it is Hitler's opinion that matters to Israel. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/an-introduction-to-the-law-of-return

    • STEPHEN SHENFIELD- "... my Jewish family background and early Judaic upbringing are bound to create some feeling of kinship with others who share that background and upbringing."

      Interesting comment. Undoubtedly fond memories of a certain background will induce a weak form of kinship. I suspect, however, that the strong kinship solidarity American Zionist Jews share is a consequence of the Zionist quasi-religious ideology which emphasizes the Holocaust as the incontrovertible symbol of a shared Jewish fate. Being a "Jew" is something which is not considered optional. Rather it is depicted as something thrust upon you as a consequence of irrational Gentile anti-Semitism. Surrounding oneself with your fellow Jews provides comfort and security for those marinated in perpetual victimhood, no matter how irrational this sense of victimhood may appear based upon empirical data. Being convinced that you were born to share the same fate as your fellow Jews would tend to promote a sense of kinship. And to be part of a successful and powerful group adds to the appeal. Furthermore, in our fragmented and atomized society, being part of a community has universal appeal.

    • JONATHAN OFIR- "For Judaism to actually survive this horror and become a mere religion or societal tradition within modern constructs of ‘nations’, the myth of the ‘Jewish nation’ must be deconstructed."

      Ah, but Jonathan, Judaism becoming a mere religion or social tradition is precisely what Zionism was intended to PREVENT. Modernity was seen by the Zionists as a threat to Jewish peoplehood, the tribalism/kinship which had long been the basis of the Jewish economic role and Jewish relative success. Zionism was/is a reworking of the classical Judaic mythos into secular form. The Zionists are not concerned with the survival of Judaism, the Zionists are concerned with the survival of Jewishness, the tribal/kinship bond of solidarity which forever views the non-Jew as the threatening other. Some quotes for you.

      "Just as the Judaic tradition had formerly told Jews what it meant to be Jewish - had supplied them with a considerable definition of their identity - so does Zionism in the modern age. Jews who lost hold of the mythic structure of the past were given a grasp on a new myth, one composed of the structural remnants of the old one." (p176, "Stranger at Home: The Holocaust, Zionism, and American Judaism," Jacob Neuser)

      "Zionism provides a reconstruction of Jewish identity, for it reaffirms the nationhood of Israel in the face of the disintegration of the religious bases of Jewish peoplehood." (p196, Neuser)

      "...in fact the redemptive valence imputed to the State of Israel in American Judaism constitutes a judgment of Zionism. American Judaism must be deemed a wholly Zionist Judaism." (p8, Neuser)

      All of this confirms my contention that the success of Zionism in becoming an integral expression of American Judaic thought and action indicates that American Judaism (Reform, Conservative, and Orthodox) can now be described as Judeo-Zionism, non-Zionist Judaism outside the mainstream.

  • Jewish leader refuses to debate BDS with young Jew, at J Street conference
    • FOLKS, we seem to have two things going on which should be tied together but apparently are not. We have the Gaza protests and we have a separate debate about BDS. Am I missing something here? Has BDS given their full support for the CRITICALLY important Gaza protest? Or has the leadership tended to focus on a one-state solution? Below I link to Norman Finkelstein discussing this very issue in response to questions following a talk. Norman is strident, as usual, and is bound to piss some BDS folks off. However, I agree with him that ending the blockade of Gaza is critically important and that these protests should receive complete support. You folks want to debate BDS? This video is a place to start. http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/04/15/norman-finkelstein-in-san-diego-segment-5-of-5/

  • Influential rabbi teaches would-be Israeli soldiers: Genocide is a mitzvah
    • ROHA- "Is this part of the great Jewish ethical tradition people keep mentioning?"

      Indeed it is. In modern parlance it is referred to as a tikkun olam intervention. This is where a militarized warfare state bombs people for their own good.

  • 'NY Times' coverage of Gaza turns biased again, partly in response to pressure from Hasbara Central
    • MISTERIOSO- (from your link) "B’nai Brith Canada CEO Michael Mostyn accused May of promoting a “blood libel” against Israel."

      From a Counterpunch article by Uri Avnery- "As was published in advance, sharpshooters were posted along the border fence and ordered to kill “ringleaders” of the unarmed protesters on the other side of the fence." https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/16/eyeless-in-gaza-4/

      Canadian Jewish Zionist leaders are demonstrating their TOTAL commitment to Zionist solidarity. Israel uber alles!

  • Netanyahu says Israeli snipers are doing ‘holy work’
    • MARNIE- "Okkkkaaaayyyyyy – maybe this came up in boobie’s and tRUMP’s convo – a day of remembrance isn’t enough! Let’s make it a week!"

      Trump is a jerk, however, the 8 day period was established by Congress a while back.

      "The Days of Remembrance of the Victims of the Holocaust (DRVH) is an annual 8-day period designated by the United States Congress for civic commemorations and special educational programs that help citizens remember and draw lessons from the Holocaust. The annual DRVH period normally begins on the Sunday before the Jewish observance of Yom HaShoah, Holocaust Memorial Day, and continues through the following Sunday, usually in April or May. A National Civic Commemoration is held in Washington, D.C., with state, city, and local ceremonies and programs held in most of the fifty states, and on U.S. military ships and stations around the world. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum designates a theme for each year's programs, and provides materials to help support remembrance efforts.

      A House Joint resolution 1014 designated April 28 and 29 of 1979 as "Days of Remembrance of Victims of the Holocaust." Senator John Danforth of Missouri, had originated the resolution, chose April 28 and 29, because it was on these dates, in 1945, that American troops — including at least one ethnically segregated artillery battalion of the U.S. Army, many of whose own relatives were themselves interned during the war on American soil — liberated the Dachau concentration camp and a number of its satellite camps, as well as rescuing hundreds of Jewish-ethnicity camp inmates driven southwards from Dachau by the Nazis on a death march only days later.

      In 2005, the United Nations established a different date for International Holocaust Remembrance Day,[1] Jan. 27 — the day in 1945 when the Soviet Red Army liberated the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp — but the Yom HaShoah date of Nisan 27 on the Hebrew calendar continues as the date for the determination of the 8-day DRVH commemoration. This date also links the DRVH to the anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943.[2]" (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Remembrance_of_the_Victims_of_the_Holocaust

  • How Gaza came to be trapped 'from fence to fence'
    • MONDONUT- " Israel is a state of all its citizens...."

      It is not a "Jewish" state? Defended by Zionist zealots as the culmination of the right of Jews for self determination? Blood and soil nationalism is what it is and Israel is the last vestige of this form of nationalism. And the historical precedents are what they are.

    • MONDONUT- "...what implementing this supposed “right” would mean – an end to the State of Israel."

      Nonsense. It would mean the end to the Jewish state as Israel became a state of all of its citizens. As it is, Israel is the last of the "blood and soil" states of ethnic nationalism. Following World War II, Nazi Germany became a state of all of its citizens abandoning the blood and soil nationalism of Hitler. You consider equal rights for all citizens nonsense? You prefer to continue to emulate Nazi Germany?

  • Video shows Israeli interrogators attempting to coerce confession from Ahed Tamimi
    • ECRASEZ L'INFAME- "A question : Was there not an Israeli leader (or, some highly placed authority) who said something along the lines of … ‘we’ll make their (Palestinians) lives so miserable that they’ll want to leave’. ?

      Perhaps you are thinking of Moshe Dyan's quote: "We don't have a solution, and you will continue living like dogs, and whoever wants will go, and will see how this procedure will work out." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Moshe_Dayan

  • Jews must ditch Zionism, now
    • ROBERT COHEN- “But whether nationalist, socialist or religious, Zionism has failed to address the Jewish Question.”

      I beg to differ. Jewish Zionist solidarity and exploitation of the Holocaust has enabled Jewish Zionists to obtain wealth and power in spectacular fashion. Jewish Zionist kinship solidarity has been achieved WITHOUT physical separation from the surrounding society of non-Jews. Additionally, Jewish influence in the media and throughout the doctrinal system has resulted in the virtual elimination of traditional anti-Semitism in the US. By almost any measure, Zionism has been a phenomenal success for American Zionist Jews.

      ROBERT COHEN- “The State of Israel has neither normalised nor made safe the Jewish people.”

      Israeli Jews appear quite safe to me and American Jews as a whole are safer than the average American non-Jew. How many unarmed Jews have been gunned down by police in the last 10 years? How many non-Jews? What is the incidence of assault on Jews versus non-Jews? Anti-Semitism is a negligible problem which is overemphasized due to Zionist power.

    • ROBERT COHEN- "What makes it so difficult for Jews to ditch Zionism is that it’s undergone a highly successful ‘merger’ with Judaism. Zionism long ago stopped being merely a political project. It’s now understood as the natural heir to three thousand years of Jewish religion, history and culture."

      Bless you for that! One can only hope that those who illogically continue to see a stark separation between Zionism and Judaism will acknowledge that as Zionism has continued to Judaize itself, so too has Judaism become Zionized. My one quibble is that Zionism was never merely a political project. The early Zionists indicated that Zionism was an affirmation of Jewish peoplehood, Jews as separate from the non-Jewish society. The very concept of "blood and soil" is, in fact, a secular mythological concept where a sense of common peoplehood is created from a highly romanticized "history," religious symbolism frequently employed even when not literally believed. Israel Shahak conceived of Zionism as a return to Classical Judaism in secular form. Jacob Neusner sees American Judaism as now centered on the Holocaust, with the state of Israel representing symbolic redemption. In his words, "American Judaism must be deemed a wholly Zionist Judaism." (p8, "Stranger at Home: The Holocaust, Zionism, and American Judaism," Jacob Neusner).

  • Jews and trauma
    • Folks, a thought has occurred to me regarding Jews and trauma. Normally, one would expect trauma to recede with the passage of time, however, has that been the case with the Holocaust? Has the exploitation of the Holocaust following the Six Day War in 1967 (Holocaust movies, Holocaust museums, Holocaust studies, etc) actually served to increase the sense of trauma? Had this been studied, I wonder what the results would be comparing perceived Holocaust trauma in the 1950s and 1960s versus trauma in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. My gut feeling is that all of these movies and other forms of emphasis have had the desired effect and Holocaust trauma grown stronger, at least for older Jews.

    • ROHA- "And the latter two have fallen for at least one bit of the nonsense...."

      Trying to bait me? Well, it won't work. (Huge sigh of relief from the other commenters.)

    • DANAA- "Hope you don’t mind me serving as your personal (and secret) attack dog……"

      Are you kidding? I love when you discuss these things which need discussing but, for a variety of reasons, are particularly sensitive on Mondoweiss. Your perspective as a former Israeli is particularly valuable. I would hardly describe you as an "attack dog," particularly as my attack dog. I am always reassured by the extent to which we are more or less in agreement on so many of these issues. It is nice to know that others have drawn the same conclusions.

    • BROADSIDE- "And it does."

      If your doctor happened to be Jewish, would you refer to him/her as a your Jew doctor? I think we need to be sensitive to how our words impact others. To put the shoe on the other foot, a lot of Jews are extremely insensitive to the feelings of those Gentiles they casually label as anti-Semites.

      As for Phil, there is a lot involved in running a website, not the least of which is Mondo's appeal to progressive Jews and the impact Phil's words have on funding. Also, the potential for lawsuits is always there. On balance, I think that Mondoweiss is doing a good job, better than I could do. They still let me comment here and this is the only website I choose to comment on. It is a lively comment section with the opportunity to criticize Phil if you choose to do so.

    • ELLIOT- "... this intractable, damaging Holocaust “trauma” is self-induced."

      I seriously doubt that those traumatized have induced it upon themselves. Rather, it is the Zionist leadership that has intentionally traumatized many (most?) Jews via a propaganda blitz. After about 1967, we have been continually inundated with Holocaust movies, Holocaust studies, Holocaust museums, mandatory Holocaust education (in Europe), etc. Here it is important to distinguish between those traumatized by a lived experience versus those traumatized vicariously by a learned ideological representation of reality.

    • BROADSIDE- "Phil first, second, and third is a Jew."

      I disagree. Phil seems quite assimilated to me. I think that Phil has to emphasize his Jewish bona fides to make much of what he says palatable to other Jews (however defined) because of the Jewish tendency to react more kindly to criticism from "fellow Jews" than to criticism/analysis from non-Jews. As it is, Phil has received a lot of criticism from other Jews including being called an anti-Semite. Some of the stuff on the web is really quite nasty. Also, I think that Phil's involvement in the anti-Zionist effort has resulted in his coming in contact with more Jews and Jewish organizations that was the case before he started Mondoweiss.

      I am not sure why you object to "American Jewish person" phraseology which is another way of saying Jewish American which is analogous to Muslim American, etc. In the case of Jew versus Jewish, we get all tangled up in appropriate labels. In any event, discussing Jewish history and Jewish influence on the political economy is a tricky subject on Mondoweiss, at least for me. It is only when discussing Jews, Judaism and Jewishness that I experience moderation difficulties and find myself walking on egg shells and self-censoring. Jewish Zionists have been extremely successful in branding any examination of Jewish power and influence as anti-Semitc tropes. The mural that Corbyn previously defended as free speech a perfect example. It showed 6 bankers responsible for early global finance, 2 of which were Jews (actual history, by the way), therefore, it was branded as anti-Semitic! Charges of anti-Semitism little more than a pretext to attack Corbyn. Our media and entire doctrinal system has, to a significant degree, been Zionized.

    • DANAA- " Especially about genocides being the rule rather than the exception in our lametable human history….."

      Whoa, partner! I didn't say "genocides," I said "mass murder." Not the same thing. Although genocides usually involve mass murder (technically not necessary), most mass murder does not involve genocide. Whether you refer to ancient times and the history of putting a conquered city to the sword, or to the slaughter of civilians in World War II (including Hiroshima and Nagasaki), mass murder is the rule, not the exception. The creation of the nation states of Europe was written in blood. In the 30 year war, about one-third the population of Prussia died, a "holocaust" with a small "h". And look what the Europeans did in the Americas, Africa and the rest of the world. I stand by my statement.

      I do agree that Phil's comment generated discussion.

    • DIMADOK- "First comment about hard data is purely infantile , since I haven’t hear or read about non- Jewish pogroms in Tzarist Russia , with state support and encouragement, and vocal opposition of liberal and progressive forces."

      That is the whole point, Dimadok. You do not know, nor do you care, about the fate of non-Jews in Tsarist Russia. Since they had a revolution, what does that suggest to you? Are you suggesting that for the various non-Jewish ethnic minorities in Russia, that the non-Jews had it better than the Jews? It is a pity that Yoni Falic is not here to comment on this BS.

      DIMADOK- "...since Eastern Europe Jews were evenly split between Zionist and integration cause...."

      If that was true, the Zionists would have not had as much difficulty in recruiting Jews to make aliyah. Even after WW II, the Zionists had to coerce the Jews in the DP camps to come to Palestine instead of their first choice of the Western democracies.

      DIMADOK- "US Jewish community remained the largest one and supports Zionist cause , especially after the shift and shock caused by the Holocaust."

      Without the Holocaust and the Zionist exploitation of it, it is doubtful that Israel would have been established as a Jewish state.

    • DIMADOK- "Yad Vashem was established in 1953, before the 1967 war with Egypt."

      So? Yad Vashem is an Israeli memorial preceding the propaganda blitz which followed the 1967 war. Norman Finkelstein talks about this in "The Holocaust Industry." Jacob Neusner indirectly confirms this in "Stranger at Home: The Holocaust, Zionism, and American Judaism." It was the 1967 war which enabled Zionist Jews outside of Israel to focus on the Holocaust as both unique in human history and the culmination of 2000 years of Gentile anti-Semitism. It was, in effect, the sacralization of the Holocaust. Holocaust memorials, Holocaust museums, Holocaust studies, Holocaust movies, etc.

    • PHIL- "...she bought six new copies of that book, one for each child, so we would never forget."

      Keeping the trauma alive? Keeping the sense of eternal victimhood alive? A passed down tradition of trauma and victimhood independent of empirical reality? What would "kinship" be without it?

      You do realize that between the end of World War II and 1967 (six day war), the Holocaust was not emphasized by the Jewish elite. It was only after 1967, following Israel's decisive victory, that Israel was accorded the status as redemption for the Holocaust (Jacob Neusner) and the Zionists launched an ideological offensive centered around the Holocaust. Do you recall your mother appearing traumatized prior to the late 1960s or early 1970s?

      PHIL- "My chief interest is my people...."

      Further proof of the success of Zionism in re-establishing Jewish peoplehood. And who better to promote multiculturalism for non-Jews?

      PHIL- " Jews are deeply traumatized by one of the worst historical experiences that has ever befallen anyone, just 70 years ago."

      Specific details aside, mass murder has been the rule, not the exception, for virtually all of human history. And you are a citizen of a particularly vicious and bloody empire that currently poses an existential threat to human survival.

    • DIMADOK- "Yesterday was 115 anniversary of Kishinev pogroms. Anyone knows about them , here ?"

      So, do you have any hard data concerning the situation of Jews in Tsarist Russia versus non-Jews in Tsarist Russia? Or do you just accumulate incidents to support your ideology of never ending Jewish victimhood?

      DIMADOK- "Not the Holocaust- it just sealed the verdict"

      Prior to the Holocaust, the majority of Jews were either non-Zionists or anti-Zionists. In fact, the Holocaust eliminated the bulk of European anti-Zionists, clearing the way, so to speak. At the time, the Zionists recognized the importance of the unfolding Holocaust in achieving their nationalist objectives, hence, opposed rescue efforts to the Western democracies, something we have discussed before at length.

  • A brief, unhappy history of Israeli massacres
    • DONALD JOHNSON- "I suggest you guys do a post on Ríos Montt...."

      Interesting suggestion, particularly in view of the Israeli connection which your linked article briefly mentions. Below is a quote and link from a more detailed discussion of this connection.

      "From the 1980s to today, Israel’s extensive military role in Guatemala remains an open secret that is well-documented but receives scant criticism.

      Discussing the military coup which installed him as president in 1982, Ríos Montt told an ABC News reporter that his regime takeover went so smoothly “because many of our soldiers were trained by Israelis.” In Israel, the press reported that 300 Israeli advisers were on the ground training Ríos Montt’s soldiers.

      One Israeli adviser in Guatemala at the time, Lieutenant Colonel Amatzia Shuali, said: “I don’t care what the Gentiles do with the arms. The main thing is that the Jews profit,” as recounted in Dangerous Liaison by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn." (Gabriel Schivone) https://electronicintifada.net/content/israels-shadowy-role-guatemalas-dirty-war/19286

  • The double standard for 'a peaceful English town' and Gaza
    • LHUNTER- "Thx Keith"

      You're welcome. By happy coincidence, Pepe Escobar has an article at The Saker website discussing this very topic. Since strategic considerations are the primary factor involved in imperial Middle East policy, I have provided a brief quote and link to the article. Remember, empires almost never discuss the REAL reasons they do what they do.

      "From the start, Syria was a Pipelineistan war. A key target was to ditch the prospect of a $10 billion Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline – a memorandum of understanding was signed in 2011 – and replace it with a Qatar to Turkey pipeline via a regime-changed Syria.

      Qatar and the House of Saud ended up certified geopolitical losers in Syria. The Saudi blockade of Qatar failed miserably. The new equation reveals Qatar – supported by Oman and Kuwait – getting closer to Iran and even closer to Turkey.

      Ankara operates the Tariq bin Ziyad military base in Qatar. Iran and Qatar are deepening cooperation in South Pars – the largest gas field on the planet. Stranger things have happened than foreseeing a pipeline finally being completed in the near future, carrying Iran-Qatar gas and transiting through Turkey, even as Russia and China remain actively involved in the Qatari gas industry.

      With the prospect of Syrian reconstruction finally at hand, Beijing will turbo-charge its plans to turn Syria into a key Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) node." (Pepe Escobar) http://thesaker.is/from-ankara-to-moscow-eurasia-integration-is-on-the-move/

    • SIBIRIAK- "Rest assured, Mueller will reveal the the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth:"

      I. F. Stone once remarked that “Every government is run by liars. Nothing they say should be believed.” I would argue that all powerful and power-seeking organizations (including government, obviously) are run by people who lie to achieve their ends and whose statements should be viewed with skepticism. Money makes the world go 'round, however, BS is the essential lubricant. It has been said that if businessmen suddenly began acting upon the principles they profess to believe, we would witness the greatest economic upheaval in history.

    • LHUNTER- "Keith – a lot there I am not up on – particularly the geopolitical strategies or jostling you mentioned."

      Pepe Escobar writes about the conflicts over proposed pipelines and the geostrategic consequences. Russia has been trying for ages to construct pipelines which link Russia to Europe without going through Ukraine, something the US opposes. A lot of this appears on the CounterPunch website. Of course there is Google. If you want to get a feel for this (from the enemy's mouth no less) read "the Grand Chessboard" by Zbigniew Brzezinski. Empires don't become empires by accident.

      LHUNTER- "Do you believe the MSM is controlled by various arms of the US government?"

      The MSM is big business which along with other big businesses are in a synergistic relationship with the government. The MSM represents a kind of consensus of the major concentrations of global capitalist power. A good primer on this is the classic "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky and Edward S Herman.

      LHUNTER- "Genuinely interested in what you think on this."

      I am flattered, however, this goes beyond the scope of the Mondoweiss comments section. If interested, go to my commenter profile and use the link to "Website" which has 50 mini essays on these types of topics.

    • LHUNTER- "... why do they promote the official line? Honestly why?"

      Promoting the official line is just part of the business. The scary part is that the official line is so ludicrous that the media knows it is BS, yet does it anyway. Apparently, they feel that it is no longer necessary to be even remotely credible, that the faithful follower citizenry will simple go along because they are expected to go along. One reason for this Russia Gate/Skripal nonsense is to utilize political/military confrontation to prevent France and Germany from establishing more extensive economic relations with Russia, and by extension with China via the Belt and Road initiative which would effectively alter the geostrategic balance. As long as it doesn't lead to war, that might not be a bad thing. A sustainable world is one which emphasizes local autonomy, not massive trade and fossil fuel usage. We are on the cusp of a global financial meltdown and environmental catastrophe. I think that there are those among the elite who recognize the severity of the situation and are desperate to achieve their objectives in what little time remains. These are not normal times, and should not be evaluated as such.

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