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Keith

Radical dissident. Retired.

Website: http://saskck.blogspot.com

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  • 'Power is what matters': Alt Right leader Richard Spencer explains his admiration for Trump and Israel
    • RICHARD SPENCER- "I respect Israel as a homogenous ethno-state...."

      Israel is somewhat racially diverse with a manufactured ethnicity. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about, nor, I suspect, does he care. His ideology is calculated to provide career oportunities within the white supremacy niche, nothing more. The only reason I bother to respond is that it provides an opportunity to link to an Uri Avnery article on CounterPunch which I found interesting. The glue which binds Israelis together is hatred of Arabs and war.

      "The Zionist perception that all Jews are the same, with slight differences of language and skin color, is anachronistic. The “oriental” Jews show no inclination to being thrown into any melting pot. They are different in almost all respects.

      The melting pot is broken. Oriental Jews (often falsely called Sephardis) are proud of their heritage. They rebel against European superiority.

      This fight now dominates Israeli life. No area of life is exempt from it. It is social, economic, cultural, political – often hidden behind a different facade, but there all the time." (Uri Avnery) link to counterpunch.org

  • Hillary Clinton gains backing of neocon megadonor who funds Islamophobic groups
    • YAKOV HIRSCH- "The Jewish billionaires that aren’t as tribal as the, “my one issue is Israel” plutocrats, would rather donate money to fight hunger or cancer or other universal challenges...."

      The best way to fight hunger or cancer or nuclear war or global warming or other universal challenges would be to oppose empire and neoliberal globalization. I am unaware of any billionaires doing that. Yet the question remains, why such overwhelming support for Israel? How does this support relate to their wealth and success? Tribal nepotism, perhaps?

    • Yet another Jewish Zionist billionaire supporter of Israel. How many Jewish billionaires are there? How many are diehard supporters of Israel? Are there any, ANY Jewish billionaires who support the Palestinians? Are there any, ANY Jewish billionaires who are anti-Zionist? Why is this? What do these guys gain from this?

  • Outside RNC, Cornel West has inspiring words for the Palestinian people
    • ROHA- "You mean you have actually listened to the speeches?"

      I'm with you RoHa, you have to draw the line somewhere.

    • GENESTO- "Anyway, I’m preparing for the worst, i.e. Trump becoming President – and having a First Lady that’s a college dropout, jewelry designer! :-{("

      Thank you for pointing out that Melania Trump would be a welcome respite from First Ladies who are Harvard Lawyers. Both Michelle and Hillary suffered from Ivy League elitism, as did their husbands. Too many Ivy league lawyers in Washington,says I. Don't worry about Melania, The Donald say that she has a good head on her shoulders and he should know.

    • KALITHEA- "Today the Trump campaign had a woman associated with Melania’s speech take the fall for the plagiarism that they still refuse to call by its name...."

      Is it possible to plagiarize cliches? If so, then a more valid criticism would be that Trump set her sights too low.

  • Iran deal is still imperilled by deep state-- hardliners, Israel lobby, Hillary Clinton
    • ANNIE- "great article phil."

      I agree. This Zionist network of influence explains a lot about imperial policy and needs to be made visible. It is not possible to connect the dots if the dots are invisible. I have always objected to describing much of this as a Zionist Lobby because I don't think that "lobby" correctly defines the phenomenon. The Lobby is but a part of a larger network of influence that includes a significant chunk of the imperial elite. We have reached the point where Israel and American Zionist Jews are thoroughly embedded within the imperial power structure. Perhaps this is why The Saker refers to the Anglo-Zionist empire.

  • Democrats and GOP are in a race to the bottom on Israel
    • SILAMCUZ- "They would be merely be unable to effectively control and influence the process of warmongering and genocide that will take place regardless."

      A President who is "unable to effectively control" the implementation of the elite agenda is preferable to one who would effectively implement this disastrous agenda. You contradict yourself.

      SILAMCUZ- "And as for Hitler, I would consider him to be quite incompetent...."

      Really? Funny, I would describe Hitler and the Nazis as ruthlessly efficient mass-murderers. I suspect that most would agree with me. I have yet to hear people complain that Hitler and the Nazis were incompetent. The Nazis are usually depicted as being quite good at what they did. Unfortunately. And we are indeed fortunate that the USSR at great sacrifice was able to stop and effectively defeat Nazi Germany at the battle of Stalingrad, an example of Russian heroics, not German incompetence. And nothing you have said makes the case for a ruthlessly efficient warmonger as President.

    • ANNIE- "i’d choose an incompetent fool over a competent war mongering genocidal maniac any day."

      Me too! The more effective evil is almost always worse than the less effective evil. When was the last time you ever heard anyone describe Hitler as "incompetent?"

  • Bible justifies rape in times of war, despite rabbis' efforts to spin or hide the teaching
    • HOPHMI- "...you continue to cite Israel Shahak, who was neither a scholar of Judaism nor a well-regarded author on the subject."

      According to you and other Zionist apologists. What do others have to say? "But it is as a scholar of Judaism that he towers over so many others, since it is Judaism that has occupied his energies as a scholar and political activist from the beginning." (Edward Said from the foreword to Jewish History). "Those who heed him will certainly be wiser and - dare I say? - better. He is the latest, if not the last, of the great prophets." (Gore Vidal from the foreword to Jewish History). He is a widely respected and frequently cited author, Noam Chomsky makes multiple references in "Fateful Triangle." Interesting that you attempt to smear Shahak rather than discussing his unassailable facts and conclusions.

      HOPHMI- "...in a world where there are many, many scholars of Judaism...."

      If that is the case, then it should be child's play for you to provide a well referenced rebuttal rather than your typical argument by name-calling. In the above article, Michael Lesher notes that “Israel Shahak’s savage critique of the Orthodox rabbinate on this score was, alas, quite justified.” Since Michael Lesher seems to be making similar observations to Shahak, you might care discuss his observations with him rather attempting to insult a deceased human rights activist.

    • JONATHAN OFIR- (Michael Lesher quote)- "Israel Shahak’s savage critique of the Orthodox rabbinate on this score was, alas, quite justified."

      Indeed it was. This is a very important discussion insofar as Israeli policies seem to be based at least as much on a medieval religious ideology rather than upon cold rationality. Quoting Shahak:

      "The persistent attitudes of classical Judaism toward non-Jews strongly influence its followers, Orthodox Jews and those who can be regarded as its continuators, zionists. Through the latter it also influences the policies of the State of Israel. Since 1967, as Israel becomes more and more 'Jewish', so its policies are influenced more by Jewish ideological considerations than by those of a coldly conceived imperial interest. This ideological influence is not usually perceived by foreign experts, who tend to ignore or downplay the influence of Jewish religion on Israeli policies." (p99, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," Israel Shahak).

    • HOPHMI- "...and you’re doing this in a forum already predisposed to believe the worst about Jews."

      You essentially prove the validity and importance of this topic by your attempt to keep this highly relevant discussion inside the tribal tent away from Gentiles. That is the traditional approach. Yet, Israel Shahak maintained that Israel and its actions could not be properly understood without reference to the teachings of Classical (medieval) Judaism.

      "It became apparent to me, as drawing on knowledge acquired in my youth, I began to study the Talmudic laws governing relations between Jews and non-Jews, that neither Zionism, including its seemingly secular part, nor Israeli policies since the inception of the State of Israel, nor particularly the policies of the Jewish supporters of Israel in the diaspora, could be understood unless the deeper influence of those laws, and the worldview they create and express is taken into account." (p1, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years," Israel Shahak)

  • 'NYT' editors twist themselves into knots not to say the word 'Jewish'
    • HOPHMI- "The Middle East is a mess. Is it the fault of Israel? Is it the fault of the Jews?"

      The Middle East is a mess largely due to the machinations of Western imperialism, of which Jews and Israel are an integral part. Both the US and Israel are cozy with the worst of the Gulf Monarchies, and in opposition to the few secular Arab nations remaining. The record of the warmonger neocons is well known, as is the US creation of the Mujahideen which eventually morphed into ISIS which US/Israel continue to support to create chaos in the region. Below is a link to Norman Finkelstein discussing Israel as a "lunatic state." link to dailymotion.com

    • HOPHMI- "Apparently, Phil is content to let the white supremacists answer for him."

      More name-calling from our one trick pony.

    • HOPHMI- "Why is it necessary to repeat again and again the religion of the owner of the Times?"

      Perhaps if the NYT wasn't so obviously biased in its coverage, it wouldn't be. Since it is, and since the ideology of organized Jewry, religious and secular, is strongly biased in support of Israel, the ideological orientation of the ownership and much of upper management suggests a reason for this obvious bias, therefore, it is highly relevant. Again you bounce between religion, ethnicity, tradition and culture to define Jewishness to suit your argument such as it is. As for that jerk Rupert Murdoch, do you have evidence that he is a member of a powerful Christian group with an agenda? If so, lets hear it. A Christian Zionist, perhaps?

    • HOPHMI- "Look at this piece, and all of the others in which Phil notes that the owner of the Times is Jewish, and suggests that it's not possible for Jews to cover the Middle East objectively."

      Not only that, but he suggested that Dennis Ross and Martin Indyk might be biased in favor of Israel. Go figure. How long before he suggests that even you might have a smidgen of pro-Israel bias? Phil's problem is that he fails to realize that it is a serious breach of tribal solidarity to even mention tribal solidarity.

    • "Rudoren: .... there’s also so much American philanthropy."

      Well, I suppose that is one way to describe it.

      "Rudoren: ....It’s not based on kind of an idea, it’s based on experience."

      She is on to something, but not the way she intends. Norman Finkelstein makes the point that although the American empire is brutal and vicious, most Americans do not experience this first hand. In Israel, on the other hand, the number of Palestinians to be controlled relative to the Jewish population requires that the vast majority of Israeli Jews perform military service and routinely engage in dehumanizing actions against the Palestinians such that this hands-on behavior becomes normalized in a desensitized population. He continually describes Israel as a crazy society, hatred and brutality considered normal.

  • As Dems vote against Palestine, Cornel West warns it is the 'Vietnam War' of our time
    • ATLANTAICONOCLAST- "There is this need to portray Blacks as eternal victims and it is getting old. It trivializes the Palestinian plight."

      Acknowledging the reality of the situation does not in any way trivialize the plight of the Palestinians. What a strange thing for you to say. And if hearing about it is getting old for you, then just be grateful that you are not living it. Anyone who claims that we are living in some sort of post-racial America needs to get better informed.

    • ATLANTA ICONOCLAST- "They are NOT shot disproportionately by cops relative to the percentage of Whites shot who are involved in a police interaction."

      Nonsense. It varies from year to year and the figures are haphazard, however, over a recent forty year period, "a black person was on average 4.2 times as likely to get shot and killed by a cop than a white person." link to motherjones.com Furthermore, the rates of black versus white prison incarceration are even worse. Calling attention to the ongoing discrimination against non-white people in the US is a necessary part of bearing witness and hardly detracts from the plight of the Palestinians. This is particularly true in view of the militarization of the US police and their training involving Israeli population control techniques.

    • MOOSER- "They will take cruel advantage of this breakdown in tribal unity, mark my words."

      Not if Hophmi can prevent it! He and his loyal sidekick Sancho Fredman do battle with the evil forces of the new anti-Semitism (led by you-know-who) as they fight to save Jewish culture on Mondoweiss. I best go back into hiding before they find me and slay me with ritual incantations. Jeez, I hope they don't bring in their ultimate weapon: Israel Man! link to elivalley.com

    • MAXNARR- "Totally agree with hophmi and I must applaud his steadfast battle against the antisemites on this website."

      Well you would, wouldn't you? So does Yonah Fredman. It says volumes about the intellectual caliber of Zionist commenters that Hophmi is who you all look up to.

    • HOPHMI- "Actually, antisemitism is a philosophy that opposes the influence of Jews and Jewish culture in society."

      It is not everyday that one hears ethnocentric tribalism and kinship nepotism described as "Jewish culture." And all of this time I thought that was a consequence of the Zionist led resurrection of the ideology of the medieval Judaism of Maimonides. Go figure.

      HOPHMI- "It's completely apropos to describe the paranoia that leads people to worry about the influence of Jews in secular society, or to put it as Keith does, "the Judaization of the elite,"

      My words exactly! Jeez, I can't even celebrate the incomparable rise of Judeo-Zionist power within our society without being labeled an anti-Semite? But Hophmi, Zionist Jews ARE disproportionately powerful.

      HOPHMI- "...because, you see, when Jews are in a position of power, they're in a position of power as Jews, their influence is "Jewish," and they act in their own interest, rather than the interest of the countries they inhabit."

      Surely, you will agree that Zionist Jews support Israel right or wrong? And yes, Jewish elites, like all elites, place their own interest above the 99%. And yes, most of the Jewish elites have a self-serving tribal orientation which has worked well for them, particularly recently. Unfortunately, this self-serving power-seeking is firmly anchored in imperialism which Zionist Jews loyally support. Zionism has effectively crippled progressive Jews in favor of blood and soil nationalism. Israel uber alles. No wonder you hate Phil and Noam and Norm but find it more convenient to attack me.

  • Ozick says Obama needs 6-volume history of Jews on his bedside table
    • Everyone, below is a link to an old Seafoid comment containing a link to a part of the "Defamation" film in which Norman Finkelstein discusses this very issue. The video runs about 9.5 minutes and is worth a look. I am in agreement with Finkelstein on this issue.
      Link to Seafoid link to Finkelstein in Defamation-
      link to mondoweiss.net

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "if one wished to write a book about the overlap of antisemitism and antizionism, keith’s comments would be a fine place to start."

      The old anti-Semitism or the new anti-Semitism? Under the old anti-Semitism, an anti-Semite was someone who hated Jews. Under the new anti-Semitism, an anti-Semite is someone the Jews hate. Awful lot of new anti-Semitism perceived by Zionists such as you. As the Chinese say, "May you live in interesting times!"

    • DONALD- "Wiesel was a Holocaust survivor and Ozick’s family immigrated to America to escape pogroms, so if I want to use understatement I’d say it would be natural for them to be concerned about antisemitism."

      Concerned? More like fealty to Zionist dogma. In Wiesel's case, it is how he earned his living and got rich in them process. This is the gilded victimhood of the Jewish elite.

    • TOKYOBK- "At Occidental Observer, Veterans Today, Stormfront and DavidDuke.com...."

      You spend a lot of time at these websites, do you? If any Mondo Gentile was to spend as much time perusing these sites, you would consider that as prima facie evidence of anti-Semitism. But you and other Jews go to these sites searching for evidence of rampant anti-Semitism, as if these sites represented the mainstream. Anything to support your unfounded ideology of victimhood.

      TOKYOBK- "...its Gospel that the Jews have fearfully prevented the the English publication of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together...."

      Who, besides you, cares what is "Gospel" at these websites? Why are you dishonestly trying to conflate Citizen with Stormfront? You have engaged in a strawman argument loosely based upon Citizen's comment. His main point, as I interpret it, is that Ozick has focused on Jewish myth-history rather than more object sources, "The Jewish Century" by Yuri Slezkine, for example. For his part, Citizen may be overestimating the significance of Solzhenitsyn’s book compared to Slezkine's, but so what? Hardly a justification for conflating him with Stormfront, etc.

    • PHIL WEISS & DONALD JOHNSON- "If they did discuss it, it would raise the obvious point that concern for anti-semitism has in some people morphed into anti-Palestinian racism."

      Concern for anti-Semitism rather understates the case, don't you think? Myopic emphasis on anti-Semitism and the Holocaust is at the core of Zionist ideology, a Judeocentric focus the logical outcome. Both Wiesel and Ozick seem to have profited from tribal solidarity and the propagation of Zionist mythology. And anti-Palestinian racism is but a more extreme manifestation of hostility towards non-Jews in general.

  • Modern-day lynchings: an international view
    • ALICE ROTHCHILD- "Since 9/11, at least 300 high ranking US sheriffs and police, FBI, US Customs and Border Protection agents have traveled to Israel to learn through the military justice system how to subdue a population under the guise of fighting terrorism."

      Jeff Halper writes about this in his book "War Against the People." Israel has developed a niche market in the area of population control utilizing techniques developed to control the Palestinians. This is a growing field as police forces are being militarized and turned into occupation forces controlling their domestic population as neoliberalism produces discontent and resistance. Additionally, giving hiring preference to former military who served as US occupation forces in Iraq and Afghanistan tends to exacerbate the problem (our problem, the elite plan). These ex-military tend to view the civilian population as dangerous threats, and to quickly resort to "spray and pray" when in doubt. Notice how these civilians are shot multiple times. We live in dangerous times which will likely get worse as the sorrows of empire come home to roost.

  • Jewish entitlement, and Jewish populism
    • HOPHMI- "How about the Aboriginization of the Australian Elite?"

      Even more preposterous than Islamicization of the imperial elite. Is there no bottom to your barrel? Has your Judeocentric Zionist ideology completely blinded you to the world around you? The Aborigines of Australia continue to suffer real discrimination and abuse, not the relatively minor stuff blown out of proportion by an ideology of eternal victimhood. You would know this if you read John Pilger. Why do you continue to intellectually debase yourself?

    • HOPHMI- "You really need an explanation for why the phrase “the Islamicization of the Imperial elite” is Islamophobic?"

      The "Islamicization of the imperial elite" is a ludicrous statement contradicted by empirical reality. Are Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban Muslims? Is AIPAC a Muslim organization? Have the last three Federal Reserve Chairmen been Muslims? Is Hollywood a bastion of Muslim power and bias? Are we inundated with films on the Nakba? Nakba education and museums? Is US foreign policy demonstrably biased in favor of the Palestinians? Do US Presidential candidates prostate themselves in front of Muslim organizations pledging unfailing loyalty to Muslims? Muslim Iraq, Libya and Syria's right to exist? Etc, etc, etc.

      Is the phrase "the Judaization of the imperial elite" an irrational observation born of bias or is it a brief and concise way of describing the rapid increase of Jewish Zionist power among the ruling elites? Have you never heard of the ever increasing Jewish settlements in the occupied territories described as the Judaization of the Galilee?

      You are fundamentally an anti-intellectual Zionist attack dog who has dedicated himself to attempting to scuttle any discussion of the power dynamics of the global political economy and of Zionism's role in influencing the course of events in our changing world.

    • HOPHMI- "...much as his writing seems like a dog whistle for bigots like Keith."

      Have you no shame? Does your tribal loyalty mean the abandonment of even an ounce of intellectual integrity? What do you do other than engage in tribalistic ritual incantations? You are the consummate Zionist cadre. Zionism uber alles! Reality anti-Semitic!

    • ANNIE- "keith, people don’t necessarily primarily access archives for their own commentary."

      Yes, there may be other commenters out there who view my older comments as revealed truth to be cherished forever. Hophmi immediately comes to mind.

    • PHIL- (Quoting Leon Wieseltier)- “If Merrick Garland is appointed to the Supreme Court, there will be four Jews on it. Eventually, there won’t be any goyim.”

      A distraction from where real power lies. How about joking about the Federal Reserve System and finance in general. In capitalism, money is power.

      PHIL- "We’re like the WASPs were in the establishment in the 1960s...."

      Much more powerful, I should think. WASPs refers to the non-Jewish East Coast elites who also happened to be WASPs. I am unaware that these elites had any significant support among the less privileged members of the White, Anglo-Saxon community. Surely, nothing to compare to the Conference of Presidents of the Major American Jewish Organizations. I fail to see a WASP version of the tight tribal solidarity of Judeo-Zionism. Or the focused organization. The harsh reality is that the Zionists have largely succeeded in resurrecting the "us" versus "them" mentality of medieval Judaism, albeit in a less visually obvious mode. This "is it good for the Jews?" mindset is the tradition which some commenters seek to recapture and preserve.

      PHIL- "...precipitate another Holocaust."

      A Holocaust of Jews in America is inconceivable. However, a lot of Black men are being killed by the police. Throw in Muslims and non-white immigrants and the racist ravings of Pam Geller and her ilk and there could be significant violence, but not against the Askenazi. Speaking of which, I think that Black men should all begin wearing yarmulkes in self defense. Those cops would think twice before shooting a Jew. If yarmulkes proliferated, how long before impersonating a Jew became a crime?

      PHIL- "It has always been my contention that honesty about the Jewish role in the establishment is not going to spark another Holocaust: because history doesn’t repeat itself, because people already know about that presence...."

      I seriously doubt that most Americans have even the vaguest idea of either Jewish power or Jewish identity. Before Mondoweiss, I had no idea that Larry Summers, Dennis Ross, Martin Indyk, Janet Yellen or Merrick Garland are Jewish. I think that most Americans would be shocked at the Judaization of the imperial elite. How they would feel about that is another matter. In any event, little would change, Jews hardly in danger.

      PHIL- "Emily Bazelon spoke at the conference; the Yale scholar who has admitted that she has a “Zionist core” only consults Jews on foreign policy questions...."

      Yet, there are those commenters who will deny that there is such a thing as a Jewish bias.

      PHIL- "I understand the Jewish tradition of being wary of populists. This is because Jews have, like it or not, been linked to western elites in the last 150 years; and populist resentment of those elites fed anti-Semitism and helped to create the Jewish question in Europe."

      Many (most?) pogroms in reality peasant uprisings? Sounds like something Israel Shahak would say. In his book "The Fatal Embrace," Benjamin Ginsberg maintains that much anti-Semitism can be explained by the relationship of Jews and the state (also Hannah Arendt's claim). That is, they find themselves on the side of the state against the lower classes. I would suggest that Ginsberg should substitute "centers of power" for "state." This ongoing dynamic struggle for power during turbulent, violent times surely explains the root of much of the conflict. And the Jewish tribal solidarity in opposition to the majority of the lower classes would cause the Jews to be seen as a group rather than as individuals. One thing should be clear. The folks gathered at the Aspen Ideas Festival are part of the elite and intend to stay there, the 99% viewed primarily as a threat to their power and privilege.

    • Jeez, am I the only one that views the loss of the older archives as a minor inconvenience and not a major problem? The only one who does not feel that his older comments represent revealed truth to be cherished forever? Yeah, it is a shame, but so what? Today is the first day of the rest of your life, so get a life. Mondoweiss doesn't owe me or any other commenter anything. It has been a privilege to be published in the first place.

  • Elie Wiesel is Dead
    • KAY24- "Here you go Annie, Israel’s devoted and America’s shameless politicians in action:"

      Jeez, reading your quotes I had an image of Hillary and The Donald fighting over who loved Elie the most and vice versa. Then I had a vision of Hillary throwing herself on Wiesel's coffin sobbing hysterically. Then came visions of our US Congress rushing to pay tribute, etc. If one can keep the right frame of mind, this whole farce can be funny.

  • 'NY Jewish Week' speaks bluntly of 'Israel firsters' in US politics
    • YONAH FREDMAN- "Here’s the link to the piece: link to thenation.com"

      You have an unrivaled ability to see anti-Semitism in everything and everyone, and to grossly misrepresent what others say. The only "Jews" Vidal refers to are the homophobic neocons who refer to themselves as the "new class." That you can interpret an article in which Vidal calls for an alliance of Jews, Blacks and homosexuals as anti-Semitic is highly indicative of your irrational mindset. Personally, I thought that Vidal was pandering to non-neocon Jews who are not in any danger from some future pogrom as Vidal seems to think. I encourage my fellow Mondoweissers to use your link and judge for themselves both Vidal's alleged anti-Semitism and your irrationality and anti-Gentile bias.

  • Clinton to Palestine: Drop dead
    • MR.T- "So, serious students of history should not attempt to argue away the evil done to European Jews over the millennia...."

      Evil done to the Jews over the millennia? For most of this time, European Jews functioned as service nomads (Yuri Slezkine), functioning a a kind of nascent middle class assisting the Gentile nobility in administering the peasant society. They were tradesmen, jailers, tax collectors, professionals businessmen and money lenders. Some of them poor, no doubt, but compared to the surrounding peasant societies they were relatively well off, some acquiring considerable wealth. It was the town versus the country which permitted the Jews to acquire at least rudimentary literacy, a big advantage. Sure, they had their ups and downs during turbulent times, however, prior to modern anti-Semitism and the Holocaust, the average Gentile (peasant) had it worse. One doesn't have to compare European Jewish life to American slavery to make my point. And it is not anti-Semitic to point out that there were Jewish slave traders, however, I am unaware of the Jewish slaves referred to in the Seattle Jewish Federation's op-ed. Finally, whatever anti-Semitism which did exist, and I am sure it did, was reciprocated by Jewish anti-Gentilism, particularly in regards to the peasants who were regarded as filth. And the Talmud of medieval Judaism is full of anti-Christian references. The two societies were separate and antagonistic even as they were mutually dependent. If you have a radically different take on all of this, please feel free to present it, however, the Judeo-Zionist myth history of unwavering Jewish victimhood is an ideological construct, nothing more.

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "Sibirak- and here’s the quote from Keith that deserves condemnation by all students of history: “And I have yet to see any evidence from a reliable source (not you) that prior to Nazi Germany Jews were persecuted more than other groups, or were in more danger than other groups. “

      Students of history? Well, that leaves you out. First of all, I was responding to the Jewish Federation op-ed claiming unrelenting Jewish suffering for two millennia. I said that I saw no evidence that Jews were persecuted more than other groups. No doubt Jews fared better in some locations and times and worse in others. But this victim of all victims nonsense is pure bunkum. On balance, Jews fared better than the average Gentile, and continue to do so. That is why Jews have remained Jews. As usual, you presented no evidence or argument to contradict what I said, relying on insults as usual.

      As for Czarist Russia, you seem fixated on the years 1881 through 1917, yet I see no evidence that Jews were worse off under the Czar than other ethnic minorities. It is all relative. As for Jewish immigration from Russia, the industrialization of Russia was altering economic opportunities as Gentile peasants entered professions formerly the exclusive province of Jews under the old system. Obviously there was conflict. Yuri Slezkine discusses this in some detail in The Jewish Century. As I have said again and again, there was conflict all over Europe during much of the period and the Jews were involved in all of it, both the good and the bad. As Slezkine notes, "There was nothing particularly unusual about the social and economic position of the Jews in medieval and early modern Europe." (p4) But you consistently ignore actual historicity in favor of selected incidents which reinforce your bias and ideology of eternal victimhood. I am weary beyond belief of your misrepresentations of my comments, and only respond because both you and Hophmi seem to go out your way to libel me and misrepresent me. Enough already!

    • HOPHMI- "Because, you see, Yonah, when you talk about antisemitism, anti-Jewish bigots with guilt complexs take it as personal criticism. For them, mentioning antisemitism is the same as being anti-Gentile."

      You are totally incapable of responding to anything I say without resorting to flagrant misrepresentation. The notion of eternal and irrational anti-Semitism (Jew hatred) posits a murderous and irrational Gentile nature, and is profoundly anti-Gentile. If a non-Jew were to refer to an inherent Jewish essence, that would be evidence of anti-Semitic racism. Anti-Gentilism is the mirror image of anti-Semitism, the demagogic creation of an irrational Gentile essence. This is a throwback to medieval Judaism and tribalism. And the op-ed I referred to was a one-sided misrepresentation of historical reality in support of the Zionist assault on BDS. You are an incredibly dishonest person. A lawyer who fancies himself clever and cares naught for the truth.

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "Historians attribute this migration to antisemitism, but according to you, keith, life was beautiful or what?"

      What part of "The European nation states were forged in blood, wars among the various groups common." don't you understand? Speaking of Russian Jews, are you familiar with the life and times of Genrikh Yagoda? Your total lack of empathy for the lives of non-Jews is not something to be proud of. And your ongoing misrepresentation of my comments indicates a lack of fundamental intellectual integrity.

    • SIBIRIAK- “This occupation continues today with no end in site”

      Ouch! Corrected. Thanks.

    • HOPHMI- "You appear to feel that because the writer mentioned the length, location, and nature of the antisemitism that Jews experienced, the writer is “anti-gentile.”

      You are ignoring the intent of these Zionist writers which is to divert attention from Israel's behavior onto the BDS movement and anti-Zionism in general. What better way to avoid trying to defend the indefensible than to attack the messengers? Below is my letter to the editors in response to the ADL letter. I doubt that it will be published.

      "The June 29, 2016 Letter to the Editor by Hilary Bernstein is yet another dishonest attempt to label BDS and other opposition to Israeli policies as anti-Semitic.

      Since it became a state in 1948 following the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian natives, Israel has treated its non-Jewish citizens as second class citizens. This blatant ethnic discrimination continues today. Additionally, Israel continues to occupy the territories it conquered in the 1967 war, violating numerous UN resolutions in the process. This occupation continues today with no end in site. Netanyahu and other Israeli politicians assure their supporters that there will be no two state solution even as they claim to be seeking a two state resolution for the Western media. In any event, ongoing illegal Israeli settlement of the occupied territories has rendered a two state solution doubtful, as was intended. This is what BDS and other critics of Israel are trying to put a stop to. And this is what the Jewish Federation and the ADL are defending with their scurrilous charges of anti-Semitism. Is equal rights for all Israeli citizens anti-Semitic? Is calling for an end to Israel's brutal occupation an act of anti-Semitism? It is time to stop the name calling."

    • HOPHMI- "You appear to feel that because the writer mentioned the length, location, and nature of the antisemitism that Jews experienced, the writer is “anti-gentile.”

      No, it is anti-Gentile because it factually misrepresents actual Jewish history and Jew/Gentile relations claiming an ongoing irrational hatred of Jews among Gentiles. How is that not anti-Gentile? Jews were not forced out of Israel en masse and the Jews of Europe were better off than the overwhelming majority of Gentiles who were peasants. And I have yet to see any evidence from a reliable source (not you) that prior to Nazi Germany Jews were persecuted more than other groups, or were in more danger than other groups. Europe was a violent place for much of its history. During the Thirty Years War, about one-third of Prussia was killed. The European nation states were forged in blood, wars among the various groups common. As a group, the Jews prospered as professionals and tradesmen, Jewish bankers dominating European finance in the 19th century, both the Suez and Panama canal financed with Jewish capital. This is hardly consistent with the proffered image of Jews "suffering murder, rape, slavery and expulsions, with only intermittent times of peace and safety.” For Zionists such as you, effective misrepresentations are much preferred to counterproductive truth, and charges of anti-Semitism are a useful tool to secure Zionist objectives.

    • HOPHMI- "Typical antisemitic response from Keith."

      Typical anti-Gentile trope from Hophmi.

      HOPHMI- "Then he cites an article about antisemitism in a Seattle newspaper and calls it “anti-gentile,” which is his term for any article that discusses antisemitism in historical perspective."

      Did you read the op-ed that I linked? You are actually going to defend the historicity of that Zionist boilerplate? Another quote from that shameful screed so everyone will be aware of what you are defending:

      "For two millennia, anti-Semitism forced Jews from their homeland, compelled them to practice their faith in secret, and was the root of the worst genocide the world has ever seen. Jews have faced ongoing hatred in Europe and Arab lands, suffering murder, rape, slavery and expulsions, with only intermittent times of peace and safety." (Jewish Federation of Seattle op-ed, Seattle Times 6/26/16) link to seattletimes.com

      You are going to hang your hat on this? Claims that anti-Zionism and BDS are fueled by " irrational hatred of the Jewish people." and that this represents "...an eternal campaign against the Jewish people.”? Well, you will be pleased to know that in the Seattle Times letters to the editor today, an official of the ADL wrote in to support this scurrilous op-ed, claiming that:

      "As correctly pointed out in “Recognize and speak out against anti-Semitism” [Opinion, June 26], the “boycott, divestment, sanctions movement” (BDS) is, at its core, anti-Semitic.

      Many intelligent, passionate supporters of Palestinian rights will balk at this assessment. They have been persuaded that BDS is the best way to effect positive change in the Middle East. Unfortunately, they are unaware, or choose to ignore, that the founding goals of BDS are firmly rooted in hatred of Jewish people. BDS employs inflammatory language and imagery to equate all Jews everywhere with Israeli government policy, and Israeli government policy with Nazism." (Hilary Bernstein, Pacific Northwest Regional director, Anti-Defamation League) link to seattletimes.com

      I wrote a response to this garbage which is unlikely to be published. It is a demonstration of power that these Jewish organizations are able to publicize these propagandistic misrepresentations of reality as part of the current anti-BDS campaign orchestrated by Israel and American Zionists. One of the perks of power is to be able to lie with impunity.

    • MHUGHES976- "...but 62% of Americsns and 50% of us British think BDS is anti-Semitic."

      Quite possibly true and not all that surprising considering Jewish Zionist influence on the doctrinal system in general and the media in particular. Below is a quote and a link to a truly vile op-ed from the Seattle Times by members of the Jewish Federation of Seattle which is incredibly dishonest and reeks of anti-Gentilism. The Times published one tepid letter to the editor response which, under the circumstances, could be interpreted as de facto mild praise due to faint damn. My letter to the editor never saw daylight, as was to be expected. Propaganda works.

      "Both anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism are fueled by irrational hatred of the Jewish people." (Jewish Federation of Seattle op-ed, Seattle Times 6/26/16) link to seattletimes.com

  • Israel should be deeply disturbed by the Brexit vote
    • JONATHAN COOK- "That, in turn, reflected a key failing of modern politics, not only in Britain but in most of the developed world: the re-emergence of an unaccountable political class."

      Unaccountable to the citizenry but not to the Fat Cats who bankroll their election campaigns and provide other perks including future employment. This is capitalism and money rules, more so than ever. This notion that government is independent from the needs and demands of financial/economic power is an illusion.

      JONATHAN COOK- "The old order is breaking down because it is so thoroughly discredited, and those who run it – a political and economic elite – are distrusted and despised like never before."

      Old order breaking down? You could have fooled me. The ongoing success of neoliberal globalization indicates that the global empire of elites is stronger than ever. The elites are transforming the global economy to create a rentier economy of debt servitude somewhat similar to modern feudalism, hence, neofeudalism. Currently, the global financial system holds the mortgage on the global economy and is foreclosing (privatizing). Of course, during this transition period, this system of fragile interdependencies could implode suddenly, however, that has nothing to do with a discredited old order breaking down. And if the new capitalist nobility is distrusted and despised, so what? We all need money to live and they control the purse strings.

      JONATHAN COOK- "If the EU starts to unravel, and US neoliberal hegemony weakens, Israel will be in trouble."

      Yes, if the empire implodes, Israel will be affected. Who won't be? The whole section on Israel reads like so much wishful thinking. As long as American Jewish Zionist elites support Israel, the U.S. will continue to support Israel. Additionally, as civil disturbance and turbulence increase globally, there will be an increasing demand by governments for the means to control their rebellious citizenry. As Jeff Halper indicates, Israel has positioned itself as the leader of the market for a matrix of control thanks to their expertise in controlling the Palestinians. In a neofeudal dystopia, the instruments and techniques of coercion will be in demand.

  • Brexit vote leaves progressives suspended between nativists and neoliberals
    • "Because, Britons voting today should not be in any doubt that a vote to remain in the EU is a vote to catalyse the Lehman Brothers disasters of the future. The EU exists –pre-eminently – to forge a deregulated world with vulture funds and private equity that contaminates every aspect of relations between human beings. From cradle to grave, there will be the privatisation of public space let alone education, health and aspiration. Not only that, but there’s something even more financially lucrative than the European health market : war" (Afshin Rattansi) link to counterpunch.org

      "The EU is one of the key trans-national institutions, along with others like the IMF and World Bank, whose role is to claw back on behalf of the US the social democratic gains made by many European publics after the Second World War. After all, were left wing politics to be seen as a viable or even preferable alternative to US neoliberalism, then European national publics might demand the right to take back governance of their countries – and Washington’s global dominance would be at an end." (Jonathan Cook) link to dissidentvoice.org

      "The EU serves Washington and the One Percent. It serves no one else. The EU is a murderer of sovereignty and peoples. The intent is for the British, French, Germans, Italians, Greeks, Spanish, and all the rest to disappear as peoples. Brexit is the last chance to defeat this hidden agenda, and apparently the British will vote tomorrow without having a clue as to what is at stake and what the vote is about." (Paul Craig Roberts) link to informationclearinghouse.info

    • Let us begin by noting that passage of this referendum does not guarantee that Britain will, in fact, exit the EU. It is possible, perhaps likely, that the British Parliament will ignore the vote, which is not legally binding, and remain in the EU. If so, pressure will be applied to eliminate Britain's special exemption forcing Britain to adopt the Euro and eliminate the Pound which would have interesting consequences in regards to London as a powerhouse financial center.

      All of this talk of right wing racism versus left wing progressivism tends to ignore the essence of the situation in regards to what, exactly, the EU is in the organizational sense. The EU is an extremely dysfunctional bifurcation of the political economies of the member nations such that the individual member states are politically weakened whereas the financial sector as represented by the European Central Bank is essentially calling the shots. As such, Big Finance backed by the transnational corporations essentially sets policy at the macro level, individual governments, except maybe Germany, more or less go along or do without. Witness the giant screwing of Greece to bailout French and German banks. It is instructive that the current head of the ECB is Mario Draghi, former vice chairman and managing director of Goldman Sachs International. Can't get much more obvious than that!

      Consequences? If Brexit actually occurs (I hope), the long term consequences would be an improvement over our current rule by the financial oligarchy. Short term, however, there would likely be dire consequences as the financial elites punish the uppity voters. Historically, Monarchs tended to crush peasant rebellions with considerable savagery. There is no reason to believe that the new capitalist nobility will behave any differently.

  • The naked racism of 'Save Jewish Jerusalem'
    • YONAH FREDMAN- "That is essential for the survival of a non sovereign wandering group."

      Twenty-first century American Jews are nomadic? The non-Jewish population permanently settled in?

      YONAH FREDMAN- "Sovereign majority nations have the luxury of experimenting with porousness."

      Who is the "sovereign majority" in multicultural America? You are describing conditions that may have existed in medieval Europe but no longer apply (if they ever did). Small wonder that Israel Shahak considered Zionism a throwback to the Classical Judaism of medieval Europe! So, you consider the enlightenment a threat to Jewish kinship? And you left Israel and returned to the U.S. because only in America could you have your cake and eat it too!

    • HOPHMI- "Anti-Gentilism is an antisemitic trope. And that’s all it is. It should not be permitted on a site that forbids antisemitism."

      Yes, Massuh.

  • American Jewish identity: Moving beyond 'love for Israel' and the Holocaust
    • HOPHMI- "When people get together to go to the mosque or to go to church, are these examples of tribal solidarity for you?"

      No, they are not. Neither is attending a synagogue which is why Zionism evolved as a unifier of the Jews following the enlightenment and the splintering of Jews into secular Jews, Reform Jews, Conservative Jews, and Orthodox Jews. It is also why Roland Nikles seeks a replacement for Zionism to unite the Jews into a tribal peoplehood. This manufactured kinship has proved highly advantageous to organized Jews in our otherwise multicultural society. Zionist tribal solidarity transcends Judaic religious practice.

    • ROLAND NIKLES- "A sense of tribe and belonging to a tradition is part of Judaism…. and contrary to what you imply, tribal cohesion in tradition, is not all negative."

      Roland, you are talking in circles. If the center of Jewishness is Jewish traditions, then why do "non-Orthodox American Jews (need to) find a new center for their Jewish identity.”? You are trying to minimize Jewish tribal solidarity, currently centered on Zionism, as little more than honoring traditions. As if Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, AIPAC, and the Conference of Presidents of the Major Jewish Organizations were simply concerned with honoring traditions. That is BS and you know it. It is all about power. Why else would you feel the need to replace Zionism with some other means to maintain Jewish tribal solidarity? Not all bad? Certainly not for the Jews who preach multiculturalism while practicing tribalism.

      As for my "hostility," imputing anti-Jewish hostility to Gentiles who question Jewish behavior is a traditional reaction of Jewish tribalists. Why else would BDS and other criticism of Israeli behavior be labeled as anti-Semitism? Likewise, any discussion of Jewish power and communal behavior which facilitates Zionism and support for Israel also be labeled anti-Semitic? As for traditions enriching us, I agree that traditions can be enriching in a multicultural society, however, if simply observing traditions was your goal, why the felt need to find something else to replace Zionism as the new center for Jewish identity? You are clearly after something more, something to replace Zionism as a tribal unifier. And "traditions" which sanctify tribal separateness from the surrounding non-Jews is profoundly anti-multicultural. There is a huge difference between the honoring of differing traditions in a multicultural society and emphasizing traditional sectarian differences inherent in a multi-tribal society. No good will come from the antipathy which tribal Jews feel towards Gentiles. In fact, the strength of this antipathy is a good measure of Jewish tribalism. Jews who see anti-Semitism as a serious problem lurking everywhere can never relate to their Gentile neighbors as their fellows. And discussing these issues should be an intrinsic part of the Mondoweiss discussion about American support for Israel, not at all indicative of anti-Jewish hostility.

    • ROLAND NIKLES- "The challenge for non-Orthodox American Jews is to find a new center for their Jewish identity."

      Roland, do you realize what you have said? That the Judaic religion is an inadequate source of Jewish identity? That religion no longer unites the Jews, hence, Jews need a new source of tribal cohesion? That Zionism is no longer appropriate to function as the source of Jewish tribal identity, therefore, Jews need to find another source to ensure separation from the Gentiles and a continuation of beneficial nepotism? Multiculturalism for the Gentiles, tribal solidarity for the Jews? Yes, yes, how to obtain the benefits of tribal cohesion in a multicultural world without Zionism and the intrinsically anti-Gentile emphasis on anti-Semitism and the Holocaust. In a world coming apart at the end of an era, the main emphasis needs to be "Is it good for the Jews?" How is a Christian identity separate from the Christian religion? How is a Muslim identity separate from the Islamic religion? Why do Jews need a Jewish identity separate from the Judaic religion?

  • Note to Ken Livingstone: The British Labour party has supported Zionism much more than the Nazis ever did
    • NU'MAN ABD AL-WAHID- "These are facts Livingstone and his wing of the British Labour Party could do well to note if they are to avoid accusations of anti-Semitism...."

      Lord help us, Ken Livingstone can't try to defend Naz Shah against shameful and totally unjustified smears unless he condemns the history of British imperialism in Palestine? Otherwise, he can rightfully expect to be charged with anti-Semitism himself? Did the charges of anti-Semitism come from non-Zionist British imperialists? Or did they come from Zionist attack dogs? Pointing out Zionist hypocrisy may have been poor strategy, however, the de facto support for this type of smear by Nu'Man Abd al-Wahid suggests that he may well be part of this shameful orchestrated campaign of vilification. Real anti-Semitism in Britain is negligible (Zionist ravings notwithstanding), whereas the attack on Naz Shah is despicable and Jeremy Corbyn's apparent capitulation both shameful and an indication that he doesn't have what it takes to change the British political economy even slightly.

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