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  • A plea to Israel: Don't start the third Lebanon War
    • LARRY DERFNER- "Some make the point that fear of Israel didn’t stop Hezbollah from attacking it in 2006 and starting the Second Lebanon War. This is true. Hezbollah started that war by capturing and killing two Israeli soldiers, and eight more died chasing the attackers across the Lebanese border, which put the war in motion."

      Hezbollah has never started a war with Israel. After years of ongoing Israeli provocations including kidnappings, Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers to use for a prisoner exchange. Israel seized upon this as a pretext for an invasion of Lebanon long in planning. Nasrallah's comment merely indicated that that Hezbollah didn't anticipate this tit for tat being used as a pretext for an all out invasion and destruction of Lebanon's infrastructure. Noam Chomsky comments:

      "The standard Western version is that the July 2006 invasion was justified by legitimate outrage over capture of two Israeli soldiers at the border. The posture is cynical fraud. The US and Israel, and the West generally, have little objection to capture of soldiers, or even to the far more severe crime of kidnapping civilians (or of course to killing civilians). That had been Israeli practice in Lebanon for many years, and no one ever suggested that Israel should therefore be invaded and largely destroyed." (Noam Chomsky)

  • Zohra Drif's memoir of Algeria's fight for freedom is stunning
    • JACKDAW- "I think most of the evidence supports the Irgun’s version of events."

      You disgust me. Although not the largest of the massacres, Deir Yasssin was the iconic symbol of the Nakba, utilized by the Zionist leadership to sow terror into the Palestinians and cause them to flee. Years later, Menachem Begin insisted that the massacre at Deir Yassin was essential in creating a Jewish majority state. To claim that Deir Yassin was a neccessary and proportional military operation is to suggest that the entire Nakba has been misrepresented, hence, Nakba denial. Please note that the massacre took place about one month PRIOR to the withdrawl of the conniving British forces. Ilan Pappe describes what happened.

      "The systematic nature of Plan Dalet is manifested in Deir Yassin, a pastoral and cordial village that had reached a non-aggression pact with the Hagana in Jerusalem, but was doomed to be wiped out because it was within the areas designated in Plan Dalet to be cleansed. Because of the prior agreement they had signed with the village, the Hagana decided to send the Irgun and Stern Gang troops, so as to absolve themselves from any official accountability. In the subsequent cleansing of "friendly" villages even this ploy would no longer be necessary.

      On 9 April 1948, Jewish forces occupied the village of Deir Yassin. It lay on a hill west of Jerusalem, eight hundred metres above sea level and close to the Jewish neighborhood of Givat Shaul. The old village school serves today as a mental hospital for the western Jewish neighborhood that expanded over the destroyed village.

      As they burst into the village, the Jewish soldiers sprayed the houses with machine-gun fire, killing many of the inhabitants. The remaining villagers were then gathered in one place and murdered in cold blood, their bodies abused while a number of women were raped then killed.

      Fahim Zaydan, who was twelve years old at the time, recalled how he saw his family murdered in front of his eyes:

      "They took us out one after the other; shot an old man and when one of his daughters cried, she was shot too. They then called my brother Muhammad, and shot him in front of us, and when my mother yelled, bending over him - carrying my little sister Hudra in her hands, still breatfeeding her - they shot her too."

      Zaydan himself was shot, too, while standing in a row of children the Jewish soldiers had lined up against the wall, which they then sprayed with bullets, 'just for the fun of it', before they left. He was lucky to survive his wounds.
      At the time, the Jewish leadership announce a high number of victims so as to make Deir Yassin the epicenter of the catastrophe - a warning to all Palestinians that a similar fate awaited them if they refused to abandon their homes and take flight."
      (P90-91, "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine," Ilan Pappe) Included in the Deir Yassin victims were thirty babies. (Pappe)

    • JACKDAW- "Did Martin Luther King plant bombs?"

      Did pre-state Zionist terrorists plant bombs in Palestinian marketplaces? Did Zionists commit mass-murder at Deir Yassin to send a message?

  • Balfour Declaration, now 100, was 'gun pointed at heads' of Palestinians -- Khalidi
    • JON S- "He timed the trip to coincide with the state visit of the German Kaiser Wilhelm II, and indeed met with the Kaiser, twice."

      Next year a side trip to Jerusalem! After I meet with the German Kaiser! Twice! After all, since I am going to be in the area anyway. Besides, Jerusalem is such a backwater in 1898, who would actually want to live there? The ocean is soooo much nicer. Next year in Tel Aviv beginning in 1904!

    • MOOSER- "Golly “Keith”, cut the man a little slack. Herzl died in 1904, long before there was an Israel. How could he go there?"

      Jerusalem, Mooser, Jerusalem. Not "next year in Tel Aviv."

    • MOOSER- "Herzl never got near Israel, did he?"

      Yeah, you have to wonder about these guys that say "next year in Jerusalem" but never actually go.

    • NAFTUSH- "So it’s once again about the Je… er, the “Israeli elites” and their world-destroying tentacles?"

      The Oded Yinon Plan exists, it is real. Israel's wars of aggression against its Arab neighbors are also real and consistent with Israel's desire break apart the neighboring Arab countries. Your comment is shameless pilpul.

    • JUST- "UN Sent Warning Letter to 150 Companies for Doing Business in Israeli Settlements"

      It is UN actions such as this that the proposed "Israel Anti-Boycott Act" is designed to prevent.

    • RASHID KHALIDI- "The situation that the Arab world is in is one of such absolute agony that I think it is worth questioning to what extent at this moment in time– is there an Arab world?"

      That is absolutely correct. The empire is on a rampage and has destroyed virtually all opposition or potential opposition to imperial hegemony in the Middle East. This is to a significant degree consistent with the Oded Yinon Plan formulated by Israeli elites for the fragmentation of the surrounding Arab states into small statelets. I link to a translation by Israel Shahak.

  • Samuel Freedman extols Jewish 'love affair' with Jewish state-- while decrying 'dogma of white supremacy'
    • NATHAN- " Zionist ideology is concerned with the Hebrew language, the return to the Land of Israel, and the fulfillment of ancient aspirations (“next year in Jerusalem”)."

      A lot of pilpul in this one sentence. Let us begin by noting that during the period of Classical Judaism, the return to Jerusalem was a "return" to a metaphysical Jerusalem which existed in Judaic mythology. This "return" was to occur AFTER the coming of the Jewish Messiah who would establish global Jewish suzerainty. The physical conquest of historic Palestine by Jewish Zionist (mostly) atheists is a perversion of Classical Judaic theology. These atheists realized that providing a distorted biblical justification would be a powerful tool in the Judeo-Christian world of Western imperialism. The vast majority of the world's Jews at the time had no such "ancient aspirations," preferring life in the Western democracies to life in Palestine. Even after the Holocaust, most of the Jews in the DP camps preferred the US and Britain to Palestine and had to be literally coerced into going to Palestine.

      Zionism was a retrograde response to modernity. The specialized role of Jews in a medieval society was at an end. What to do? There were basically two choices. Either assimilate into the surounding Gentile society or create a ficticious homeland for the Jews consistent with the prevailing "Blood and Soil" nationalism which existed in Eastern Europe at the time. The Zionists chose blood and soil which continues to permeate Zionism to this very day. Jews as a people, not a religion. To make a point, I quote Yuri Slezkine.

      "The emancipation of the serfs, the demise of the manorial economy, and the expansion of the economic role of the state rendered the role of the traditional Mercurian mediator between the countryside and the town economically irrelevant, legally precarious, and increasingly dangerous." (p115, "The Jewish Century," Yuri Slezkine)

      No, biblical aspirations did not motivate these atheist Jews. A desire to PREVENT assimilation motivated these Jews. A desire to reunite the various strands of Jews created by the enlightenment motivated these Jews. Zionism was a movement supported by the Jewish elites, not the majority of Jews. Had it not been for the Holocaust and massive imperial support, Israel would likely have not come into existence as a Jewish state. Zionism is a form of secular religion where the Holocaust has been removed from its historical context and elevated to that of the sacred and unknowable, not comparable to other historical events.

      Well, that was then. Zionism has changed over time. Nowadays, the main beneficiaries of Zionism are American Jewish fat-cats who utilize Israel and Zionism as a means of maintaining Jewish kinship and the de facto nepotism and commonality of purpose which has been so useful to the accumulation of power of the Zionist elites. A diffuse and amorphous multicultural society lends itself to the power accumulation of those who maintain ethnic solidarity. Multiculturalism for the Gentiles, peoplehood and solidarity for the Jews. And a pursuit of power camouflaged as a defense against anti-Semitism.

      Finally, yes, A beleaguered Israel at war with Arab hordes is an essential component of the Zionist mythology. How else to stoke the ideology of victimhood and never ending persecution? Perceived anti-Semitism is the mother's milk of Zionism.

    • PHIL- "Freedman’s two positions are incompatible."

      They are hypocritical but not incompatible. A beleaguered Israel at war with Arab hordes is an essential component of the Zionist ideology which unifies organized Jews into kinship solidarity. Kinship solidarity is an important component in the multicultural US. Israel needs American Diaspora Jewish support to achieve its Middle East objectives and American Diaspora Jews benefit from seeking power to provide support for Israel. Two additional comments. The so-called Jewish love affair with Israel didn't begin in earnest until after the 1967 war. The other is that if American Jews were the overwhelming majority in the US, then the lofty, multicultural, liberal rhetoric would likely disappear. Fast. The rhetoric adapts to the situation.

  • Between our life and our mother Algeria, we chose our mother: Excerpt from 'Inside the Battle of Algiers: Memoir of a Woman Freedom Fighter'
    • DONALD JOHNSON- "I don’t have a third source of info and can’t judge, but either Avnery or Horne are being misleading."

      I seriously doubt that it is Avnery. While I sometimes disagree with his interpretation of the facts, usually his statement of facts is accurate. This is consistent with Wikipedia, quoted below.

      "The term "pied-noir" began to be commonly used shortly before the end of the Algerian War in 1962. As of the last census in Algeria, taken on 1 June 1960, there were 1,050,000 non-Muslim civilians (mostly Catholic, but including 130,000 Algerian Jews) in Algeria, 10 percent of the total population.[4]

      During the Algerian War the Pieds-Noirs overwhelmingly supported colonial French rule in Algeria and were opposed to Algerian nationalist groups such as the Front de libération nationale (English: National Liberation Front) (FLN) and Mouvement national algérien (English: Algerian National Movement) (MNA). The roots of the conflict reside in political and economic inequalities perceived as an "alienation" from the French rule as well as a demand for a leading position for the Berber, Arab, and Islamic cultures and rules existing before the French conquest. The conflict contributed to the fall of the French Fourth Republic and the mass exodus of Algerian Europeans and Jews to France.[3][5]"

    • YONI FALIC- "There is something wrong that German Nationalsocialism is considered so much more evil than French colonialism...."

      One reason is that focusing on the Nazis and the Holocaust tends to divert attention from the extreme brutality of European colonialism. The British, French, Spanish,etc, were extraordinarily brutal to their subject peoples, except for the local elites who were rewarded for their service to the crown. Most of main stream history is what the elites want the 99% to remember, frequently myths. How many people are aware that when Britain first came to India, that India was as technologically advanced as Britain? And that Britain deindustrialized India? I provide a link to Noam Chomsky discussing this very thing.

    • And how did the Jews of Algeria respond to French colonialism? Uri Avnery tells us:

      "When the Algerian war of liberation broke out in 1954, the Jews there had to choose sides. Almost all decided to support the colonial power, France, against the Algerian people.

      That had a historical background. In 1870, the French minister of justice, Adolphe Cremieux, who happened to be a Jew, conferred French citizenship on all Algerian Jews, separating them from their Muslim neighbors.

      The Algerian Liberation Front (FLN) tried very hard to draw the local Jews to their side. I know because I was somewhat involved. Their underground organization in France asked me to set up an Israeli support group, in order to convince our Algerian co-religionists. I founded the “Israeli Committee For A Free Algeria” and published material which was used by the FLN in their effort to win over the Jews.

      In vain. The local Jews, proud of their French citizenship, staunchly supported the colonists. In the end, the Jews were prominent in the OAS, the extreme French underground which conducted a bloody struggle against the freedom fighters. The result was that practically all the Jews fled Algeria together with the French when the day of reckoning arrived. They did not go to Israel. Almost all of them went to France. (Unlike the Moroccan and Tunisian Jews, many of whom came to Israel. Generally, the poorer and less educated chose Israel, while the French-educated elite went to France and Canada.)" (Uri Avnery)

  • After article was rejected and publishers yawned, Walt and Mearsheimer dropped 'The Israel Lobby' in 2005
    • YONI FALIC- "I have no desire to become a target of Zio censors as Finkelstein, Salaita...."

      One of the big differences between Finkelstein and Salaita versus Melissa Landa is that Finkelstein and Salaida are being hounded by the Zionist network forever. These guys cannot get an academic job anywhere, nor, perhaps, any job of significance. They have become permanently unemployed. On the other hand, Melissa Landa will likely get an academic position somewhere, the threat of charges of anti-Semitism and potential lawsuits by Zionist organizations a powerful inducement to go along to get along. If, for some reason, she departs academia, I am sure her prospects of employment are quite secure. Anti-Zionism attacked, pro-Zionism supported. Apples and oranges. No comparison in regards to the consequences.

  • Ten days of awe: standing with whom?
    • JON S- "Where did I engage in nakba denial?"

      Your statement that "...the mainstream Zionist leaders such as Herzl, Ben Gurion, and even Jabotinsky, all envisaged living in peace with the non-Jewish population, not expelling or replacing them.” is tantamount to denying Jewish Zionist responsibility for the Nakba. That the Zionist leadership had the best of intentions but somehow this "catastrophe" happened despite their desire to live in peace with their Arab brothers. An act of God, perhaps? Denying the deliberate, planned nature of the Nakba is a form of Nakba denial because it denies Zionist intentions and responsibility.

    • BORIS- "And I would love for everyone to see your dribble...."

      Me too! Fond of basketball, are you?

      BORIS- "... as it it invariably illogical and ill-informed."

      It it is? Oh darn, and I try so hard! Thanks for the feedback.

    • JON S- "I’ll repeat: the mainstream Zionist leaders such as Herzl, Ben Gurion, and even Jabotinsky, all envisaged living in peace with the non-Jewish population, not expelling or replacing them."

      Terrorizing them and expelling them was an accident? Plan Dalet emphasized multiculturalism? Murdering the Arabs who tried to return to their homes was an act of reconciliation? Jabotinsky's Iron Wall was to keep the Palestinians from running away? The historical record of what actually happened is abundantly clear and entirely consistent with the fact that Israel could not claim to be Jewish and democratic without a large majority of Jews which would entail massive ethnic cleansing. Jeez, Mondoweiss gives you a lot of leeway concerning Nakba denial.

    • BORIS- "I am not going to post here any more as my comments are being filtered out."

      Based upon your comments which pass moderation, I would say that not enough of your comments are being "filtered out." Worse, to maintain a certain balance in rejections, perfectly good anti-Zionist comments are being trashed, like a recent response I made to you, for example. Now that is not fair!

    • BORIS- "...and then immediately claim that they are."

      No I didn't. You are completely lacking in intellectual integrity. No real surprise there.

    • BORIS- "Your claim that all contemporary Jews are the descendants of past converts is just plain stupid."

      I was responding to your ludicrous claim that " is the Jews who are indigenous to the Land of Israel...." You obviously were not referring to the relatively small number of the original Jews who remained in Palestine and didn't convert to Islam. Rather, you propagandistically attempted to lump all Jews together. The majority of Israeli Jews are not indigenous to Palestine as you were dishonestly claiming. And I never said that ALL contemporary Jews are descendants of past converts, although most are, and the Eastern European Ashkenazi Jews who were the majority of the early Zionists most assuredly were. You are engaging in pilpul, nothing more.

    • BORIS- "If you realize that it is the Jews who are indigenous to the Land of Israel, then the whole argument of this article falls on its face."

      Since when do religious converts become "indigenous" to a foreign land? Conversely, the Palestinian Jews who converted to Islam didn't suddenly become foreigners. This is so rather obvious that one marvels at the mental gymnastics you perform to defend your mythology.

    • ALICE ROTHCHILD- "After centuries of powerlessness, how we as a community handle our new position of power and privilege is critical to the survival of an ethical Jewish tradition as well as a just resolution to a more than century old struggle in historic Palestine that is being fought in our name."

      "Centuries of powerlessness" is part of Jewish/Zionist myth-history which creates a false sense of eternal victimhood. Jews have always played an important part in the Gentile societies in which they served as what Yuri Slezkine describes as Service Nomads. Common sense tells us that "centuries of powerlessness" is not a training ground for success, a foundation for the current levels of Jewish power and privilege.

  • Why the split inside the Democratic Party over BDS needs to happen
    • MARNIE- "Wow Keith. What a lame ass thing to say. I didn’t see it before and now definitely won’t look at it. Nice job!"

      Morgan Freeman is being justly criticized for that disgusting agitprop video he made promoting war with Russia and chocked full of neocon lies and you defend him WITHOUT watching the video? And it is my "lame ass" fault? A two minute video to see what has so upset so many? That says volumes about you. Nothing to be proud of. Freeman is also associated with the "Committee to Investigate Russia," a group of "liberal" interventionists and neocon warmongers. And you defend this? Are you a Soros Democrat? The empire is on a rampage and you make light of this? The current imperial warmongering for hegemony is an existential threat to the survival of the species. I used to like Morgan Freeman and Rob Reiner, but after this if they came in a room I was in I would leave the room. And trying to twist this into something racial (piss off the wrong white guy) is so intellectually dishonest you should be ashamed. Seriously.

    • MARNIE- "3. He is sexy, no matter how old. ."

      Stand by your man come hell or high water? If watching the despicable agitprop video I linked doesn't cause you to re-evaluate your opinion of Morgan Freeman, then you are part of the problem.

    • ROHA- "A bit from Pilger you may like."

      Thanks, I have already read it. I can't remember the last time Pilger said anything which I didn't agree with.

    • MARC B- "What could be his motivation for being the Hollywood spokesperson for starting WWIII?"

      The same as Rob Reiner for forming the "Committee to Investigate Russia?" It is a power struggle with the Koch brothers on one side and the Soros/CIA neoliberal internationalists on the other. The neoliberal internationalists want to destroy Russia so that they can control China as we transition from the hydrocarbon era of manufacturing to the financial control era of neofeudalism. Unless the empire achieves absolute hegemony and financial control, the empire will collapse. The Democrats/Soros/CIA/Wall Street led group of elites will risk a high probability of war to maintain their power.

    • PHIL- "Yet in those 50 years, we have seen countless other once-marginal progressive questions enter the mainstream and gain establishment approval, from women’s rights to same-sex marriage to the embrace of transsexual rights."

      Indeed, in the age of neoliberalism when the Democrats have nothing of substance to offer their base, identity politics has risen to fill the void. And "nothing of substance" includes issues of war and peace where the Democrats have become neocon-led ferocious war mongers and AIPAC sychophants. And the Democrats are leading the drive for imperial hegemony to contain China and destroy Russia. Blaming Russia for Hillary's defeat isn't merely an excuse for Hillary's defeat, rather it is imperial agitprop to justify anti-Russian militarism. Fully supported by Hollywood "liberals." I now provide two links concerning the outrageous anti-Russian, anti-Putin video with Morgan Freeman, which has to be seen to be believed. The second is a link to Tucker Carlson interviewing Rob Reiner who along with other Hollywood liberals such as Morgan Freeman and Norman Lear have joined forces with neocons such as Max Boot, David Frum, James Clapper, etc. to form the Commitee to Investigate Russia. In the second video, Rob Reiner sets a new low for dishonesty. Suggest viewing both videos to appreciate the depths to which neoliberalism has corrupted an already corrupt political system. Notice how no one mentions empire.

      Morgan Freeman "War with Russia" video:

      Rob Reiner link:

  • Jews have religious commandment to support Israel and fight BDS -- American Jewish Committee
    • ROHA- "You made it! Denunciation by Yonah."

      Lordy, Lordy, if that is the criteria, then I had it made long ago. Yonah has a thing for me. Envy is such an unattractive emotion. Yet, in his case, understandable.

    • MOOSER- "Hardly seems like an explosive charge to me."

      You mean to tell me THAT is what upset Yonah? Jeez, I just assumed that he was understandably jealous of my good looks. Go figure.

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "Gentiles are not the evil other, but Keith is."

      Ah, recognition! Now take off your clown costume.

    • BORIS- "Zionism is a secular movement and has nothing to do with Judaism."

      Nonsense, and rather obviously so. Not only is Zionism supported by the majority of the Rabbinate, but Zionism is essentially a secular version of the political economy of Classical Judaism which opposes assimilation and views Gentiles as the evil other. You focus on Jewish adversity as opposed to current Jewish power and privilege even though the two are to a significant degree incompatible.

  • Elisha Wiesel's Rosh Hashanah remembrance
    • MARC ELLIS- "When he ended his stinging indictment – “There’s no business, like Shoah business” – he expected from me a sign of solidarity. I cringed and walked away."

      When I think of Elie Wiesel, I think of a fraud sharing the stage with his buddies Shmuley Boteach and genocidaire Paul Kagame. And you cringed and walked away?

  • How Netanyahu's son became the poster boy for white supremacists
    • JEFFB- "Sorry it is absolutely true."

      Who claims this besides you? Do you have a fear of quotes and references?

      So, you are going to pursue this? Are you setting up Mooser for parody? What are we talking here? Trump's son in law Jarred McKushner? Ambassador to Israel David McFriedman? Council to the President Michael McCohen? Treasury Secretary Steven McMnunchin? Pro-Scottish billionaires Haim McSaban and Sheldon McAdelson? Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd McBlankfein? The Conference of Presidents of the Major Scottish Organizations? AI-McPAC? Scottish control of Hollywood? All of the aid we send to Scotland? All of the Congressional trips to Scotland? Training US police in Scotland? What? All you have is chutzpah and a lack of integrity.

    • JEFFB- " Jews are roughly the same size and same economic demographics as Scots in America. They have roughly the same amount of cultural, political and economic power."

      Do you always just make stuff up? The above statement is so ludicrous that it is an insult to the intelligence. Those Scots sure manage to keep a low profile for all of their influence on foreign policy, finance, the media, etc. And their campaign contributions!

    • JEFFB- "Antisemitism believed the problem with Jews were genetic not situational."

      You are, of course, referring to modern anti-Semitism, not the "new" anti-Semitism. The new anti-Semitism consists of anything and everything which may interfere with Jewish Zionist power-seeking such as criticizing Israel or referring to Jewish power and influence, etc.

      "Thus ADL head Nathan Perlmutter maintained that the "real anti-Semitism" in America consisted of policy initiatives "corrosive of Jewish interests," such as affirmative action...." (p37, "The Holocaust Industry," Norman Finkelstein)

    • JONATHAN COOK- "They include George Soros, a Holocaust survivor who has invested billions in pro-democracy movements...."

      Pro-democracy movements? That is an odd way to describe color revolutions. Speaking of color revolutions and the CIA, I simply can't resist linking to a superb interview with Douglas Valentine about the CIA. I strongly recommend this interview. A quote followed by the link.

      "Everything the CIA does is illegal, which is why the government provides it with an impenetrable cloak of secrecy. While mythographers in the information industry portray America as a bastion of peace and democracy, CIA officers manage criminal organizations around the world. For example, the CIA hired one of America’s premier drug trafficker in the 1950s and 1960s, Santo Trafficante, to murder Fidel Castro. In exchange, the CIA allowed Trafficante to import tons of narcotics into America. The CIA sets up proprietary arms, shipping, and banking companies to facilitate the criminal drug trafficking organizations that do its dirty work. Mafia money gets mixed up in offshore banks with CIA money, until the two are indistinguishable." (Douglas Valentine)

  • Israel lobby is never a story (for media that is in bed with the lobby)
    • "Though he won his case, he said criticising Israel amounted to a “lifetime punishment” in the US and that he was regarded as too controversial to be hired again."

      I predicted this at the time. He is being made an example to intimidate other academics who might be tempted to defy the imperial system. It is crunch time, gang, and the gloves are off, brassknuckles on.

      “Running foul of pro-Israel groups in academia is a lifetime punishment I promise you,” he said. However, he said if he could go back he would send the same tweets again."

      Why would he do that? Does he enjoy pointless martyrdom? The tweets were stupid. If you are going to stand against imperial policy (in this case Israel), for gosh sake don't make yourself an easy target. Deal with the reality of a severe power imbalance. Pick your fights and weapons wisely. Never mistake wisdom for weakness nor stupidity for courage.

  • U.S. will 'learn to co-exist' with a nuclear North Korea, says New Yorker reporter
    • ROHA- "Of course, NK isn’t actually attacking anyone."

      Correct. Furthermore, North Korea has been the victim of savage warfare from the US. Following World War II, the US established a puppet regime in the South of Korea using primarily Japanese collaborators. Massacres occurred in the South prior to the Korean War. The Russians pulled out of the North in 1948, however, the US still has bases in South Korea. The US has opposed Korean unification and even cooperation between North and South. There is no peace treaty ending the Korean War. During that war, the US dropped more bombs on Korea than in the entire Pacific during World War II, detroying vitually everthing in the North, including the damns, a major war crime. The US also considered using Atomic bombs on North Korea but refrained due to the lack of appropriate targets. A brief quote from a recommended article.

      "It is now believed that the population north of the imposed 38th Parallel lost nearly a third its population of 8 – 9 million people during the 37-month long ‘hot’ war, 1950 – 1953, perhaps an unprecedented percentage of mortality suffered by one nation due to the belligerence of another.”

  • Ayelet Shaked and the fascist ideology
    • JEFFB- "Economically Palestine was dead before the Jewish immigration. Culturally Palestine was dead."

      Do you have an aversion to documentation? Or do you just prefer making up fanciful tales? Is this what they teach you at Jewish summer camp? You should at least quote and cite the pamphlet. But credit where credit is due, your reference to the economic benefit of the crusades for the hapless locals was truly inventive. You just can'y beat a murderous invading army when it comes to jump-starting a sluggish local economy! I can see that you take your white man's burden seriously. Or should I say Ashkenazi man's burden?

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "I don’t think that ben Gurion’s statement is proof of fascism, unless all nationalisms that are willing to go to war are perforce fascism."

      Fascism is a much abused and overused term. Strictly speaking, fascism refers to the control of a modern political economy through the military-industrial complex. It is a permanent war economy. For example, the US utilizes a form of fascism to stimulate and guide the economy which is why the US has been at war with the entire Third World since the end of World War II. Currently, American fascism is becoming increasingly overt. Likewise, Israel is engaged in permanent war with its neighbors and is joined at the hip with empire. Yet, many people confuse fascism with the specific trappings of the militaristic and authoritarian Nazi and Italian fascists.

      "Modern fascism should be properly called corporatism, since it is the merger of state, military and corporate power." (attributed to Benito Mussolini)

      As an aside, prior to World War II, Mussolini was much admired in the West for his control of the political economy. Hitler, too, for that matter. The modern capitalist economy is much too complex for laissez-faire to work. Control and stimulation are necessary, it is only a question of the specific means.

  • Soros and the Illuminati! Netanyahu Jr. spreads anti-Semitic cartoon
    • MARC B- "There is no evidence from any source that I am aware of that Soros actively participated in the deportation of Jews, as distinct from being present during the confiscation of property."

      Evidence? When has Emet ever provided evidence for anything he says? He appears to simply make things up. He appears to be a troll whose main objective is to say outrageous things to get others to spend time and effort responding to his nonsense.

    • EMET- "Have you heard Soros, in his own words, describe how he participated is rounding up Jews for the fascists and Nazi’s, in Hungary?"

      Gee, I never heard that. Quotes? Links? Sources? Sounds fishy to me. Soros is a jerk, but I doubt that he would ever admit to something like that. Show me.

    • EMET- "Anyone who thinks that Soros is not involved and pulling the strings is your super ignoramus of the decade."

      "Pulling the strings" is a bit of an exaggeration, however, Soros is intimately associated with both the Democratic Party and the CIA, and was heavily involved in the "color revolutions" worldwide. My gut feel is that he works behind the scenes and is more influential within the Democratic Party than Haim Saban. He is a Machiavellian power-seeker. My sense is that he has more limited influence in Israel for a variety of reasons.

  • Nathan Englander, author of new Israel thriller, wants 'as many passports as I can get'
    • PHIL- " It was a young literary audience, and for 45 minutes or so he told stories about writing and Israel and sex and Jewishness, and filled the room with his charismatic energy."

      Ah, the never ending celebration of Jewishness, including sex and Israel. It figures that Philip Roth would be mentioned.

      PHIL- "I began to wonder what this evening was about."

      Why, it was about being Jewish and successful and sex and Israel and a more-or-less Judeocentric world view.

  • Rightwing campaign against Jewish exec who called for exposing Nakba seems likely to fail
    • JEFFB- "In a world where 90+% of the population were peasants / serfs Jews seemed to be in the 50% range."

      Rubbish! It was only in Eastern Europe that even a small fraction of Jews were engaged in agriculture as farmers, not peasants/serfs. At the beginning of the twentieth century, "Most of Russian Jews (about 90 percent) resided in the Pale of Settlement, to which they were legally restricted. Most of the Jews in the Pale of Settlement (all but about 4 percent, who were farmers and factory workers) continued to pursue traditional service occupations as middlemen between the overwhelmingly agricultural Christian population and various urban markets." (p105, "The Jewish Century," Yuri Slezkine) Slezkine lists various occupations which I won't go into.

      If you wish to pursue this, you will need to provide quotes and links/references. I don't know what the "Getty" is and I am not going to be persuaded by the political statement of a late 19th century American President. Enough of this "Fiddler on the Roof" myth-history!

    • JEFFB- "When President Benjamin Harrison complained about the horrific Russian mistreatment of Jewish peasants was he lying and these peasants didn’t actually exist?"

      Benjamin Harris is your authority on Jewish history? Interesting choice. That being the case, you could at least have the decency to quote him rather than putting words in his mouth. In order to provide my fellow Mondoweissers with some real Jewish history, I have decided to provide extensive quotes from Israel Shahak, Yuri Slezkine and Bejamin Ginsberg.

      "Classical Jewish society had no peasants, and in that it differs from earlier Jewish societies in the two centres, Palestine and Mesopetania. It is difficult for us, in modern times, to understand what this means. We have to make an effort to to imagine what serfdom was like; the enormous difference in literacy, let alone education, between village and town throughout this period; the incomparably greater freedom enjoyed by all the small minority who were not peasants -- in order to realize that during the whole of the classical period the Jews, in spite of all the persecutions to which they were subjected, formed an integral part of the privileged classes. Jewish historiography, especially in English, is misleading on this point inasmuch as it tends to focus on Jewish poverty and anti-Jewish discrimination. Both were real enough at times; but the poorest Jewish craftsman, pedlar, landlord's steward or petty cleric was immeasurably better off than a serf. This was particularly true in those European countries where serfdom persisted into the 19th century, whether in partial or extreme form: Prussia, Austria (including Hungary), Poland and the Polish lands taken by Russia. And it is not without significance that, prior to the great Jewish migration of modern times (around 1880), a large majority of all Jews were living in those areas and that their most important social function there was to mediate the oppression of the peasants on behalf of the nobility and crown.

      Everywhere, classical Judaism developed hatred and contempt for for agriculture as an occupation and for peasants as a class, even more than for other Gentiles- a hatred of which I know no parallel in other societies. This is immediately apparent to anyone who is familiar with the Yiddish or Hebrew literature of the 19th and 20th centuries." (p52-53, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," Israel Shahak)

      "Most important, they were affected by Russia's late-nineteenth-century modernization in ways that were more direct, profound, and fundamental than most other Russian communities because their very existence as a specialized caste was at stake. The emancipation of the serfs, the demise of the manorial economy, and the expansion of the economic role of the state rendered the role of the traditional Mercurian mediator between the countryside and the town economically irrelevant, legally precarious, and increasingly dangerous." (p115, "The Jewish Century," Yuri Slezkine)

      "...the social role of the Jews as an integral part of the upper classes. In many countries Jews were treated as potential nobles and, upon conversion, were able to immediately intermarry with the highest nobility. The nobility of 15th century Castile and Aragon or the aristocracy of 18th century Poland- to take the two cases where intermarriage with converted Jews was widespread - would hardly be likely to marry Spanish peasants or Polish serfs, no matter how much praise the gospel has for the poor." (p67, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," Israel Shahak)

      "Politically, the position of Jews in the Christian Spanish kingdoms was the highest ever attained by Jews in any country...before the 19th century. Many Jews served officially as Treasurers General to the kings of Castile, regional and general tax collectors, diplomats (representing their king in foreign courts, both Muslim and Christian, even outside Spain), courtiers and advisers to rulers and great noblemen." (p59-60, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion," Israel Shahak) He also indicates that the Rabbis had considerable authority over the local Jewish population including capital punishment.

      "During the fifteenth and Sixteenth centuries, Jews came to play a major role in the fiscal affairs and administration of the Ottoman empire....Jews dominated the imperial revenue system, serving as tax collectors, tax farmers, tax intendants, and tax inspectors. Jews also created and operated the imperial customs service. Indeed, so complete was Jewish control over this segment of the Ottoman state that Ottoman customs receipts were typically written in Hebrew." (p15, "The Fatal Embrace: Jews and them State," Benjamin Ginsberg)

    • JEFFB- "They are not embarrassed about ending 19 centuries of horrific Jewish suffering...."

      If only the Gentiles had allowed Jews to become peasants rather than forcing them to be merchants, craftsmen, financiers, tax collectors, jailers, etc, think of the suffering that would have been prevented! Oh well, water under the bridge as they say.

    • CATALAN- "Perhaps because Annie (who works for the site) and regular commenters such as yourself and Mooser frequently heap praise on Yoni Falic of the Turkish Slavic school."

      This is a surprisingly dishonest comment and I am dissappointed in you. Perhaps that is why you placed this comment far away from my comment which you are supposedly responding to. I don't follow Twitter nor any social media at all. Since we are talking about Mondoweiss, what some commenters may post on Twitter is more or less irrelevant. Curious that you didn't quote a relevant comment from Mondoweiss. Are you suggesting that M J Rosenberg follows Yoni Falic on Twitter? And what does that have to do with Mondoweiss in any event? And why do you Zionists seem to spend so much time following websites/Twitter feeds which you consider anti-Semitic? To convince yourselves that the Goyim are ready to pounce?

      As for my "heaping praise" on Yoni, I have commented favorably on some of his historical references which were consistent with my understanding of historical reality, and which were at odds with Jewish Zionist myth-history concerning Jewish helplessness and Gentile malevolence. Curious, you never joined in those discussions, preferring instead to rely on personal attacks on Yoni. You seem to forget that Yoni has experienced some very unpleasant things in Israel which influence his choice of words. Yet, if we allow for his personal anger, I find his historical references compelling. If you disagree with what he says why not simply respond to his comment rather than taking a back-handed swipe at him in a comment to me? As for your reference to the "Turkish Slavic school," I think it is fairly well established that Ashkenazi Jews are Eastern European converts to Judaism. You disagree? In any event, you seem to attack Yoni in comments to other commenters rather than responding to him directly, even going so far as to conflate him with "Adolph" in a comment to Amigo. You need to straighten up and fly right, partner.

    • MOOSER- "And why, I ask you, why would an anti-Zionist Jew, who has no intention of going to Israel, or of limiting their associations to Jews, be the least bit concerned about anti-Semitism?"

      Why does M J Rosenberg see Mondoweiss seething with anti-Semites? Because irrational and eternal anti-Semitism is a core component of Zionist influenced Jewishness? Or do you doubt that this is so? Perhaps you agree with Rosenberg? You tell me.

    • DANAA- "Because if they don’t, the next question will be “what’s the matter with Judaism that it beget such organizations”?"

      An interesting and somewhat provocative comment. Comparing the political economy of Zionism to the political economy of Classical (medieval) Judaism. Israel Shahak considered Zionism (along with Orthodox Judaism) as a successor to Classical Judaism. Of course, conditions are not the same. During the period of Classical Judaism, Jews formed a separate and distinctive community apart from the surrounding Gentile community. Jews usually had distinctive dress, customs, language, and economic functions, and could be described as tribal. Nowadays, the various strands of the "Jewish" community are informally linked through the Zionist ideology and its emphasis on the Holocaust and eternal and irrational anti-Semitism. This has created a certain kinship affinity which unites many (most?) Jews in our multicultural society where Jews are physically assimilated, yet remain united to varying degrees based upon their Jewish identity. Secular Jews may not believe in God or Judaism per se, but they do believe in the Holocaust which has become somewhat of a religion among many (most?) Jews. Even anti-Zionist Jews tend to focus on any hint of anti-Semitism broadly defined.

      DANAA- "What is the matter with “organized Jewery” is the question that people should be asking...."

      From a purely material standpoint, organized Jewry has been spectacularly successful in pursuit of wealth and power. And to those dedicated to the pursuit of power, morality is a hindrance not a help. It has been this way throughout history which is one reason why wars and mass murder are so relatively common.

  • Lessons from Finkelstein: a response to Seth Anderson
    • MHUGHES976- " Either MT was a biased witness who wouldn’t see any good anywhere in the benighted East...."

      A while back, the Mark Twain quote came up and a commenter maintained that it reflected typical Mark Twain parody. Perhaps so. I haven't read it nor do I intend to. It is rather irrelevant in any event.

    • JACKDAW- "Do you see the difference?"

      Yes, the correct quote has an "a" in front of people. It is a difference without substance, the type of argument of someone engaging in pilpul. The early Zionists, and apparently you, wish to pretend that there was no ethnic cleansing because there was no one there to cleanse. That is the rather obvious intent of the phrase which, in turn, is consistent with the actions of the Zionists in destroying villages and other evidence of Palestinian history.

    • NATHAN- "Keith – You claim that the book of Joan Peter is “shoddy” and “false history”, but you didn’t come out and say in clear terms that she actually claims in her book that “the Zionists colonised an empty Palestine” (as she is “quoted” by Mr Greenstein). Did she make that claim in her book?"

      Yes, I claimed that Peters book was shoddy and a false history. My claims are based upon a review of the book in "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict," by Norman Finkelstein. If you can demonstrate that anything Norman said was false, please do so. To give our fellow Mondoweissers some idea of what we are talking about, I provide a quote from Finkelstein's book.

      "That a scholarly work meets with critical acclaim would hardly be news, were it not for the fact that "From Time Immemorial" is among the most spectacular frauds ever published on the Arab-Israeli conflict. In a field littered with crass propaganda, forgeries and fakes, this is no mean distinction. But Peter's book has thoroughly earned it.

      The fraud in Peter's book is so pervasive and systematic that it is hard to pluck out a single thread without getting entangled in the whole unravelling fabric. To begin with, the fraud falls into two basic categories. First, the evidence that Peters adduces to document massive illegal Arab immigration into Palestine is almost entirely falsified. Second, the conclusions that Peters draws from her demographic study of of Palestine's indigenous Arab population are not borne out by the data she presents. To confound the reader further, Peters resorts to plagiarism."

      NATHAN- "No one claimed that the land was empty."

      A "land without people" isn't a claim that the land was empty? You are a propagandist who continues to deny reality. The entire history of Zionism is to deny the history of the Palestinian people. Why else destroy all of those villages and plant European forests on top? And don't tell me you are unaware of Moshe Dayan's statements about Israeli towns on top of destroyed Palestinian villages. You are incredibly dishonest.

      NATHAN- " Mark Twain wrote a wonderful book about his visit in the 1850’s...."

      When all else fails, quote that old Mark Twain story. You are shameless, a person without honor or intellectual integrity. A purveyor of BS.

    • NATHAN- " It’s even more interesting to note that the claims can even be self-contradictory, and that always seems to be quite fine. So, you can read in the anti-Israel literature that the evil Zionists from the beginning plotted to remove the Arab population from the country to make room for the Jewish state AND you can read that the Zionists claimed that the country was empty."

      There is nothing contradictory about the early Zionists planning to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from their homes to permit a Jewish super-majority while simultaneously claiming to the world that Israel was "a land without people for a people without land." This is not a demonstration of anti-Zionists contradicting themselves, rather, it is a demonstration of Zionist hypocrisy and self-serving dishonesty. And yes, Joan Peters book was a shoddy attempt to construct a false history of Palestinians as opportunistic camp followers of Jewish pioneers who made the desert bloom. Garbage which was initially lauded by American Zionist Jewry. And your comment more pilpul from you.

    • MOOSER- "Stick with pessimism, “Keith”...."

      Sound advice under the circumstances.

    • DANAA- "basically, it's no use waiting for International law to exact justice because the law itself is administered according to the whims of one Empire, in which zionism is embedded both by hook and by crook."

      That is correct and one of the reasons I avoid getting into these discussions about international law. It provides the self-serving illusion of activism which ultimately accomplishes nothing. International law in the age of empire is little more than a club with which the strong beat up on the weak. Power determines who wins and who loses.

      DANAA- "As for the "movement from below" this clearly alludes to masses of people rebelling against the existing power structure."

      Good luck with that! The rebellion of the "proletariat" is a Marxist delusion. Americans can't even bring themselves to revolt at the polls, much less man the barricades! And now, instead of confronting the 1%, the 99% is fighting among itself as the elites promote a form of sectarian conflict with the alt-left (antifa, etc) doing battle with the alt-right, fighting in the streets as if this will accomplish anything. The 99% seems to be rather easily manipulated. I am not sure what can be done in any event since the power relations are so one-sided.

      I hate to sound so glum, but if there are reasons for optimism I would love to be convinced.

  • Two Chicago pols break over BDS, as U.S. Jews divide over Israel
    • DANAA- "What’s the relationship between the kotel and Herod’s wall?"

      Are you setting up Mooser for a Herod's Wahl joke?

    • ANNIE- "bill kristol linked to this tablet story today pissed the holocaust museum was dropping some “study” of obama being responsible for genocide in syria because he didn’t succumb to their pressure to bomb assad...."

      Indeed, the neocons and other Jewish Zionists seem determined to become known as the uber warmongers. I am surprised that the Holocaust museum backed out. In related news, have you heard about the "Elie Wiesel Genocide and Atrocities Prevention Act of 2017?" Seems that the only way to prevent a lot of people from getting killed is for the empire to militarily attack and kill a lot of people. Because of our values. Read and weep.

      "How dumb do Senators Cory Booker, D-NJ, Al Franken, D-MI, and Elizabeth Warren, D-OK, think we are? All three Democratic presidential hopefuls are “initial co-sponsors” of an Orwellian bill to “enhance” our government’s ability to “prevent genocide and mass atrocities” with military force: S enate Bill 1158, the Elie Wiesel Genocide and Atrocities Prevention Act of 2017 ."
      "Twenty Democrats, including Booker, Franken, and Warren, but only five Republicans, have signed on as co-sponsors of the Elie Wiesel Genocide and Mass Atrocities Prevention Act. Indeed, much of this Orwellian movement is coordinated within the elite, richly resourced, corporate funded, ideological bastions of the Democratic Party. One of these is the “ENOUGH Project to counter genocide and crimes against humanity ,” founded by career militarists John Prendergast and Gayle Smith. Enough is an NGO subsidiary of a larger NGO, the Center for American Progress (CAP). CAP is a think tank, aka propaganda vehicle, founded by Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta. Podesta played key roles in both the Clinton and Obama Administrations prior to his Wikileaks notoriety."
      (Ann Garrison)

  • Going veg
    • PHIL- "I’d been thinking of going veg for a while, largely based on my interactions with dogs and bees, and questioning the man’s dominion over the animals arrogance."

      Please be aware, if you are not already, that meat production is a MAJOR source of greenhouse gas emissions and other pollutants.

    • PHIL- "...Chaim Weizmann an ill-mannered eastern European had dazzled the Brits and gained access to the Foreign Office by telling them a story about worldwide Jewish influence they fell for because they were anti-semitic."

      Yes, he claimed that the Rothschilds were Jewish and they fell for it. Go figure.

  • Changing the narrative, from BDS to antifa
    • YONAH FREDMAN- "But America, which was of severely limited use to the Jews as a refuge when they needed it most, therefore cannot be the “answer” to the slaughter itself."

      Since only about 10% of Jewish immigrants in the 1930s went to Palestine, obviously Zionist Israel was even less of a refuge. Zionism always was about preventing assimilation and restoring Jewish peoplehood. It never was about saving individual Jews or refugeeism. The answer to the Nazi slaughter applies to all cases of mass murder. Eliminate wars and reign in the elites who utilize violence to achieve power. As long as wars continue, there will be large scale death and destruction, particularly if it is nuclear war. It is just a matter of who gets killed and who does the killing. And if you can stop fixating on the Holocaust for a moment, you should be aware that you bear some responsibility for all of the death and destruction which the American empire has visited upon the entire Third World following World War II. And the Holocaust doesn't make you any less complicit than me. And there are Zionist Jews who are high level imperial decision makers, therefore, directly complicit. Time to stop savoring your perceived victimhood.

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "Keith- Assuming that it is ethical and/or moral for Jews to teach other Jews about Jewish history, what do you think should have been the emphasis of such education in 1967?"

      That the Holocaust was yet another example of mass murder which cannot be understood outside the context of World War II. It most certainly was NOT the culmination of 2000 years of eternal and irrational hatred of Jews by Gentiles.

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "Keith-is there any historical event you feel is key to understanding American history, or is it all just empires and the rich consuming the poor?"

      There is no one key historical event. The key to understanding US and world history is that it reflects the elite struggle for power. In capitalism, money has become the dominant expression of power. The truly unique feature of capitalism is the monetization of power. And yes, empires reflect elite power-lust, the 99% at least somewhat complicit. The one thing I would emphasize is the stunning hypocrisy of the Declaration of Independence. Perhaps a second would be the delegation of money making power to private banks resulting in a debt based monetary system. Mistake, mistake, mistake (for the 99% that is).

    • CATALAN- "...there is no inherent anti-Gentilism in emphasizing the Holocaust."

      Perhaps not, however, there most certainly is anti-Gentilism in HOW the Holocaust has come to be emphasized. Norman Finkelstein explains:

      "Two central dogmas underpin the Holocaust framework: (1) The Holocaust marks a categorically unique historical event; (2) The Holocaust marks the climax of an irrational, eternal Gentile hatred of Jews. Neither of these dogmas figured at all in public discourse before the June 1967 war; and, although they became the centerpieces of Holocaust literature, neither figures at all in genuine scholarship on the Nazi holocaust....Previously, the Nazi Holocaust was "not cast as a uniquely Jewish -- let alone historically unique -- event. Organized American Jewry in particular was at pains to place it in a universalist context. After the June war, however, the Nazi Final Solution was radically reframed. "The first and most important claim that emerged from the 1967 war and became emblematic of American Judaism," Jacob Neusner recalls, was that "the Holocaust...was unique, without parallel in human history." (p42, "The Holocaust Industry," Norman Finkelstein) "The other central Zionist dogma deployed after 1967 was that "The Holocaust marks the climax of an irrational, eternal Gentile hatred of Jews." (p41, Finkelstein)

    • NATHAN- " It is a modern (secular) re-interpretation of the messianic idea, and hence it's a return to the ancient land, to the ancient language and to Jewish sovereignty."

      Interesting comment. You are quite right that Yonah is wrong, usually a fairly safe assumption. Also, the return to Classical (medieval) Judaism in secular form is consistent with Israel Shahak. Congrats. A reasonably accurate description of the early Zionists who were rather elite, the majority of Jews uninterested in becoming a Jewish nation apart. But you have not dealt with the changed Zionism post 1967. For starters, Zionism (like Judaism) has always wildly exaggerated the power and influence of these mythological kingdoms. Hence, Zionism represents a longing for power right from the start. And since the fattest of Jewish fat-cats lives in the US, Israel is but a tool to achieve their power seeking ends, a means to re-invigorate Jewish kinship solidarity, an essential component of Jewish success. Zionism post 1967 has placed a strong emphasis on the Holocaust and Jewish victimhood with the inherent anti-Gentilism that this necessarily entails.

  • American Legion calls on Congress to finally investigate 'USS Liberty' attack, 50 years after
    • JON S- "He is, however, a professional historian. The question is whether the information and analysis in the article is sound."

      Oren is a Zionist liar, his account utter BS. I am not going to go into detail as we have discussed this in detail already. I leave you with one quote from a longer article on CounterPunch:

      "A few years after Attack on the Liberty was originally published, Ennes got a call from Evan Toni, an Israeli pilot. Toni told Ennes that he had just read his book and wanted to tell him his story. Toni said that he was the pilot in the first Israeli Mirage fighter to reach the Liberty. He immediately recognized the ship to be a US Navy vessel. He radioed Israeli air command with this information and asked for instructions. Toni said he was ordered to “attack.” He refused and flew back to the air base at Ashdod. When he arrived he was summarily arrested for disobeying orders." (Jeffrey St. Clair)

    • JAMES CANNING- " LBJ expected to blame Egypt for the sinking of the USS Liberty, to justify a massive American attack on that country."

      Let me see if I understand you. At the height of the Vietnam war, with students chanting "Hey, hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today," LBJ colluded with Israel to sink a US spy ship and blame it on Egypt, even though communications were monitored by the US, Russia and God knows who else, and even though Egypt's air force had been destroyed on the ground and only Israel could even conceivably been the attacker? All of this to permit a massive attack on Egypt? Duplicating our success in Vietnam? James, it is guys like you who give conspiracy theorists a bad name.

    • YONAH FREDMAN- "the uss liberty had been commanded to leave the area. it disobeyed its command."

      The USS Liberty never received orders to leave the area because Admiral McCain did not forward the orders for whatever reason.

    • ROHA- "If Congress does investigate, I am sure it will conclude that Israel is totally innocent of all wrongdoing and glowing with virtue."

      Indeed, one would expect no less from loyal employees. Perhaps it could become an annual event, each year judged by how much more praiseworthy Israel is described as compared with the previous year?

      ROHA- "The verdict will be followed by a vote of thanks to and support of Israel, as well as a large donation from the public purse."

      You omitted the part about the mandatory Holocaust education programs and the penalties for low test scores (less than 100%).

  • The United State of Israel and Palestine
    • VACYV- "You don’t get it- Palestinian Right of Return is sacrosanct."

      Who are you speaking for? Are you claiming to speak for the Palestinians? If so, what gives you the right? Is the ROR more important than physical safety and economic well-being?

  • The liberal Zionist crisis -- white nationalists are villains, but settlers are 'complex'
    • RABBI YEHUDA KURTZER- "...they are out doing this because they understand that to be in relationship, in serious and committed relationship, with the State of Israel requires a real reckoning with its complexities, its history and its values even when – especially when – those values conflict with their own."

      We hear you, Rabbi. Jewish Zionist solidarity uber alles.

    • BOB LOEB- "I found the attitudes toward Palestinians in direct contradiction to everything that I had been struggling for in the States in terms of civil rights. It just didn’t make any sense."

      Didn't make any sense? Come on Bob (if you are still around), take off the ideological blinders and engage in some honest introspection and it will make perfect sense.

  • As many as 1 million Israelis have left for the U.S.
    • ROHA- "Yes, the Earth has been warming since the end of the Little Ice Age, and the level of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased."

      You are in deep denial. Earth's natural CO2 level has occilated between 240 ppm and 280 ppm over thoudands of years. The increase up to 280 ppm has induced moderate warming, perhaps a good thing, perhaps not. The sudden explosion of CO2 to 410 ppm and rapidly climbing is totally unprecedented and indicates an unprecedented rapid warming beyond the ecosystem's ability to adapt. It also portends disastrous feedback loops whereby the loss of polar ice results in increased solar absorption, and melting permafrost results in massive methane burps which will likely result in runaway global warming in the near future. There is a reason they call greenhouse gases "greenhouse gases," and all of the denier websites with their handful of denier PhDs won't change that reality. The only question is how folks deal with this reality. Since this topic is off topic and not suitable for lengthy discussion, this will be my last comment on this topic on this thread. I only pursued it this far because it illustrates the reality that most people logically defend their beliefs as best they can while irrationally ignoring empirical reality when it conflicts with these beliefs.

    • ROHA- "... nonsense about how Global Warming will kill us all."

      There are some folks who fancy themselves intelligent who cannot, for some perverse reasson, accept the fact that they call greenhouse gases "greenhouse gases" for the obvious reason that they trap solar radiation. And that increased concentration of these gases causes global warming. And that starting in 1970, every 5 years the average temperature is greater than the previous five years. And that this warming will result in a positive feedback loop whereby runaway global warming is inevitable. Folks who consider themselves oh-so-smart, but cannot deal with empirical reality. Perhaps, in the 1990s this was understandable if not acceptable. In 2017, ignoring the rather obvious reality is indicative of rather severe ideological/psychological problems. You need to forget about punctuation and straighten up and fly right. Seriously. The two existential threats to the human species are nuclear war and environmental collapse due to global warming. By the way, 410 ppm of CO2 traps roughly 46% more solar energy than the baseline 280 ppm. You think that this is trivial? You think that this is nonsense, some sort of joke? You could be excused in the 1990s for your prejudices, but not in 2017 where the reality is so rather obvious.

    • DANAA- " IT has, I believe an even worse inequality than in the US, and getting worse ever faster."

      Indeed, writing in 2007, Joel Kovel indicates that " comes as a shock to learn that Israel has over the brief period of its life gone from being one of the most egalitarian countries in the world to the one with the greatest structural inequality of any industrialized nation, indeed, twice so in comparison to its patron." (p109, "Overcoming Zionism," Joel Kovel). What many people may not be aware of is that some of the more prominent neocons served as advisers to Netanyahu in the 1990s and pushed him to implement neoliberalism, which he did.

    • PABELMONT- "Comment: it would be even cheaper, because global warming will wipe us all out (or maybe just Iraq) long before 1000 years! ;-)"

      I have concluded that there is a high probability of entering runaway global warming within the next five years. With CO2 at 410 ppm and climbing, it is hard to believe otherwise. That represents a 46% increase in concentration with an equivalent increase in solar retention which will last for centuries unless proactive carbon sequestration measures are taken, which won't happen anytime soon. And once the Arctic methane begins escaping in quantities, it could be all over. The accelerating global warming we are seeing now is based upon much lower concentrations. Cheers!

  • Chomsky on what 'everyone knows'
    • DANAA- "My own “expanded” post was entirely volitional...."

      Entirely volitional? The editorial comment preceeding your post was that you "agreed" to expand your comment to a post. Where the editors lying? If not, then the editors were utilizing your comment-expanded-to-a-post to achieve some desired outcome, no?

      I did not comment on your post, per se, my point was that 4 articles on a miniscule portion of Chomsky's question and answer to this gathering tended to radically overemphasize one aspect of his answers to questions which otherwise would have sunk to obscurity. To what purpose? If you review the history of anti-Chomsky animus on Mondoweiss, the answer seems clear to me. So while you personally don't wish to vilify Chomsky, Mondoweiss apparently does, and has done so in the past. Similar to Finkelstein, Greta Berlin, and a musician whose name I dare not speak? Jonathan Ofir's post was over the top as was Tom Suarez' comment. You disagree?

      What is the purpose of all of this if not to denigrate Chomsky? I cannot see another purpose. I cannot see why Chomsky's positions are not accepted as simply Chomsky's positions, then ignored. He has a right to his opinion, does he not? You disagree? No problem. No big deal. So why is this always such a big deal? Chomsky's influence is wildly exaggerated.

    • FESTUS- "You think if the mainstream media let the public in on this that the American public would consider it trivial?"

      Has this been promoted by the mainstream media? The notion that Zionist Israel would resist the right of return in any but symbolic form is hardly controversial, Chomsky's unfortunate phrasing notwithstanding. So yes, I consider Chomsky's statement to the Association of American Geographers in April is relatively trivial. What dire consequences have befallen the Palestinians because of this statement? But it makes you feel good to criticize Chomsky, doesn't it? As I already stated, my priority would be to end the blockade of Gaza and the recurring "mowing the lawn." These are critically important to the well-being of the Palestinians. Endless bickering over the right of return is a self-indulgent activity in view of the imbalance of forces. If you can't get the Israelis to at least stop killing the Gazans on a recurring basis, there is no point in even discussing the right of return. The situation is sufficiently bleak and requires more modest short term objectives, putting the long term objectives on the back burner. On another thread, Nevada Ned linked to an excellent article by Aviva Chomsky (Noam's daughter) discussing Charlottesville. I think some of what she says applies here as well, hence, I am offering a quote and a link.

      "Over the years I have come to see more and more of what Adolph Reed calls “posing as politics.” Rather than organizing for change, individuals seek to enact a statement about their own righteousness. They may boycott certain products, refuse to eat certain foods, or they may show up to marches or rallies whose only purpose is to demonstrate the moral superiority of the participants. White people may loudly claim that they recognize their privilege or declare themselves allies of people of color or other marginalized groups. People may declare their communities “no place for hate.” Or they may show up at counter-marches to “stand up” to white nationalists or neo-Nazis. All of these types of “activism” emphasize self-improvement or self-expression rather than seeking concrete change in society or policy. They are deeply, and deliberately, apolitical in the sense that they do not seek to address issues of power, resources, decisionmaking, or how to bring about change." (Aviva Chomsky)

    • JONATHAN OFIR- "Keith, my article stands in my own name and on the merits of its own arguments."

      Come on, Jonathan, it was the fourth article on Mondoweiss concerning a relatively trivial event. The second article was by Danaa Marec who made a comment on the first article but "agreed" to expand it to a post. No editorial impetus here? It is not as if this is the first occurrence of this phenomenon. In my response to Citizen, I refer to Jeffrey Blankfort and his Mondo sanctioned obsession with Chomsky. I once stopped commenting for three months because the anti-Chomsky vitriol was so thick that I didn't want to be associated with it. You are unaware of all of this? Okay, now you know.

      JONATHAN OFIR- "Your arguments on the other hand do not even refer once to the actual content of my arguments, beyond my introductory qualifications concerning challenging Chomsky."

      I didn't want to get into a lengthy discussion on an article I didn't think should have been written, particularly since I disagree with Chomsky on this point. Yet, I don't vilify him, a Mondo tradition. But I did take umbrage and mention your despicable conflation of Chomsky with Benny Morris. Chomsky may differ on tactics, but to compare him with current Israeli apologist Morris is intellectually dishonest as I said in my comment.

      JONATHAN OFIR- "Your response seems to fall squarely under the notions which Tom Suarez described above."

      Tom Suarez comment was so outrageous as to make your post look sane by comparison. DANGEROUS circular reasoning? Chomsky a DEMI-GOD? This is a dishonest ad hominem attack of the meanest sort. You and Tom Suarez may not be organized, but you both are birds of a Mondo feather.

      JONATHAN OFIR- "You suggest that Mondoweiss focus on something else – Gaza for example – but Mondoweiss does that as well."

      Are you referring to the Mondo vilification of Greta Berlin of the FreeGaza Movement?

      Enough of this. Your article was just another way stop on the Mondo anti-Chomsky highway.

    • CITIZEN- "Keith, did you read comment of festus?"

      Yes. It was an all too typical overreaction. Chomsky engaged in a little hyperbole, so what? Who would even know about it except for Mondoweiss? One article, fine. Two, questionable. But four? Come on Citizen, you know that Chomsky bashing is a tradition at Mondoweiss. Jeffrey Blankfort was flat out obsessed. And for what? The Mondo meme seems to be that the biggest obstacle to justice for the Palestinians is Noam Chomsky! He doesn't support all of the tactics of BDS? So what? As I said before, he is an analyst, not a tactician. Is he wrong on BDS? Probably. But is that any reason to vilify him? There is more to this than that. Certain people wish to increase their influence within the Palestinian solidarity camp by attacking Chomsky. What other explanation is there? I disagree with Chomsky over BDS, but I don't vilify him. Yet, Tom Suarez talks about a " DANGEROUS circular reasoning that keeps Chomsky a DEMI-GOD." Dangerous? Demi-god? What is going on here? This ongoing attack on Chomsky is very consistent with Zionist attempts to discredit the author of "FatefulTriangle," the first popular critique of Israeli abuse of the Palestinians. Chomsky bashing. Finkelstein bashing. Greta Berlin bashing. You don't see a pattern here?

    • JONATHAN OFIR- "Thus I am running the risk of being another ‘bar mitzvah’ kid, trying to prove their worth by questioning what Chomsky says. But such questioning doesn’t have to mean “Chomsky bashing”, and I’m willing to take my chances."

      When your article is the fourth in a series to lambast Chomsky over some remarks he made to the Association of American Geographers in April, I would call that Chomsky bashing. Chomsky is a powerful social critic who has written some extraordinary books. He is not a tactician as he himself has written in the past. And to attempt to conflate him with Benny Morris is intellectually dishonest. Perhaps Mondoweiss should focus more on attempts to break the blockade of Gaza (by supporting the FreeGaza Movement?) rather than continuing its long tradition of Chomsky bashing, which seems to ebb and flow. And yes, stopping Israel's human rights abuse of the Palestinians should take priority over endless debates over one state versus two and the right of return.

      JONATHAN OFIR- "...I’m willing to take my chances."

      How courageous of you! And on Mondoweiss no less.

  • Jews argue whether Zionism is racism -- in the Forward!
    • PHIL- "he best news is that the Forward, America’s leading liberal Jewish publication, published a piece by Naomi Dann of Jewish Voice for Peace last week equating Zionism with racism."

      No she didn't. She said Israel was engaging in racist behavior, not that Zionism was inherently racist. Her apparent goal is to get Israel to change its more racist behavior so as to stop embarrassing Jews like her and you. She is little more than a cosmetic reformer and you are wildly exaggerating the significance of this article which does little more than allow Jane Eisner to sound the anti-Semitic alarms. And a lot of this is the Jewish Democratic faithful scaring Jews about Trump. Partisan politics. The one significant thing is the use of perceived anti-Semitism as a means of social control and how this is an essential feature of Zionism.

  • White Jews: deal with your privilege and call out Jewish support for white supremacy
    • NEVADA NED- "Check it out here"

      Thanks for the link. Excellent article which I agree with completely. I qoute the last paragraph:

      "Let us be very clear. The white nationalists who marched in Charlottesville, hate-filled and repugnant as their goals may be, are not the ones responsible for the U.S. wars on Iraq, Syria, and Yemen. They are not responsible for turning our public school system over to private corporations. They are not responsible for our separate and unequal health care system that consigns people of color to ill health and early death. They are not the ones foreclosing and evicting people of color from their homes. They are not the authors of neoliberal capitalism with its devastating effects on the poor around the planet. They are not the ones militarizing the borders to enforce global apartheid. They are not behind the extraction and burning of fossil fuels that is destroying the planet, with the poor and people of color the first to lose their homes and livelihoods. If we truly want to challenge racism, oppression, and inequality, we should turn our attention away from the few hundred marchers in Charlottesville and towards the real sources and enforcers of our unjust global order. They are not hard to find." (Aviva Chomsky)

  • Jews are safer in Israel than U.S. because our kids drop their M-16s on the sofa -- NYT op-ed
    • ELJAY- "That’s anti-Semitism?"

      Yes! A perfect example of the new anti-Semitism. The Gentile drunk was being uppity.

    • Perhaps Cordis should show more concern for the consequences of US support for the neo-fascists heirs to the Ustashe in the former Yugoslavia, and to the ongoing support for the neo-Nazis in the current Ukrainian government, something which Zionist Victoria Nuland was heavily involved in. Chickens coming home to roost is no joke. A quote to make a point.

      "The impetus of that article was to critique the inherent danger of the Obama Administration’s cynical manipulation of right-wing elements in Ukraine to overthrow the democratically elected government of Viktor Yanukovych. Not only was it dangerous and predictably disastrous for the Ukrainian people, but because U.S. support for a neo-fascist movement in Ukraine took place within a context in which the political right was gaining legitimacy and strength across Europe. The political impact of the right gaining power in Ukraine could not be isolated from the growing power of the right elsewhere. Which meant that the Obama Admiration’s selfish, short-term objective to undermine Russia in Ukraine had the effect of empowering the right and shifting the balance of forces toward the right throughout Europe.
      The alt-right that showed up in Charlottesville this past weekend was mimicking the tactics of the frontline neo-fascist soldiers who orchestrated the coup in the Ukraine, yet everyone is saying this is a result of Trump. The objective fact is that the U.S. has become a dangerous right-wing society as a result of a steady shift to the right over the past four decades. The idea that Trump’s election somehow “created” the right cannot be taken seriously and cannot be reduced to the crude expressions of the alt-right."
      (Ajamu Baraka)

  • AUB Limited
    • STEVEN SALAITA- "For a long time after it happened, I was shocked that Zionist pressure could succeed in the Arab World."

      Zionist pressure, I would suggest, which is centered in the US not Israel. In a globalized world run (more or less) by a globalized corporate/financial empire, there is no running away. You were made an example of and still are. You are the face of what happens to those who get uppity with those in power. I thought your analysis was good and the article well written.

  • New network leads the fight against fascism on campus
    • NADA ELIA- "The task is immense, but there are some welcome developments already. White rights activist Richard Spenser’s presentation at the University of Florida, previously scheduled for September 1, was cancelled Wednesday over concerns of another violent confrontation."

      Richard Spenser's talk is cancelled due to the threat of a violent confrontation involving Antifa versus the Alt-Right and you consider this a victory for free speech? Richard Spenser is small beer, the US government has been supporting fascistic and other authoritarian regimes for a long, long time. The US supported a coup in the Ukraine which installed a Russophobic government riddled with neo-Nazis. Chickens are coming home to roost. A quote from Ajamu Baraka:

      "The alt-right that showed up in Charlottesville this past weekend was mimicking the tactics of the frontline neo-fascist soldiers who orchestrated the coup in the Ukraine, yet everyone is saying this is a result of Trump. The objective fact is that the U.S. has become a dangerous right-wing society as a result of a steady shift to the right over the past four decades. The idea that Trump’s election somehow “created” the right cannot be taken seriously and cannot be reduced to the crude expressions of the alt-right." (Ajamu Baraka)

  • Charlottesville is moment of truth for empowered U.S. Zionists (who name their children after Israeli generals)
    • NATHAN- "Therefore, one does not view the Holocaust within the general framework of the Second World War."

      Of course one does. Without World War II there would have been no Holocaust. With no Holocaust, it is unlikely that Israel would have been created as a Jewish state. According to Joel Kovel, “…the Nazis filled the first concentration camps with leftists, the crushing of whom was the first order of business for the Third Reich. At this time, Jews, though experiencing revilement of all sorts, were not singled out as particular victims.…the ‘Final Solution’ did not take shape until the invasion of Russia, or to be more exact, until the invasion began to run into trouble on the road to Moscow thanks to the unanticipated resistance put forth by the Soviets. It was then, with yet more millions of Jews in the newly invaded lands (chiefly Ukraine), and with the first presentiment that the mad scheme of world conquest was not going to happen as planned, that the pressure-cooker of Nazism began to germinate the scheme of mass extermination, and followed it through with all the nihilism, race-hatred, industrialization, sadism and cold malevolence that was the Nazi trademark.” (p75, 76, Overcoming Zionism, Joel Kovel, 2007)

      NATHAN- "Anti-Semitism is not “the very cornerstone of the Zionist ideology”.

      Initially, it wasn't,however, after the six day war it became central to Zionist ideology. According to Norman finkelstein:

      "Two central dogmas underpin the Holocaust framework: (1) The Holocaust marks a categorically unique historical event; (2) The Holocaust marks the climax of an irrational, eternal Gentile hatred of Jews. Neither of these dogmas figured at all in public discourse before the June 1967 war; and, although they became the centerpieces of Holocaust literature, neither figures at all in genuine scholarship on the Nazi holocaust....Previously, the Nazi Holocaust was "not cast as a uniquely Jewish -- let alone historically unique -- event. Organized American Jewry in particular was at pains to place it in a universalist context. After the June war, however, the Nazi Final Solution was radically reframed. "The first and most important claim that emerged from the 1967 war and became emblematic of American Judaism," Jacob Neusner recalls, was that "the Holocaust...was unique, without parallel in human history." (p42, "The Holocaust Industry," Norman Finkelstein) "The other central Zionist dogma deployed after 1967 was that "The Holocaust marks the climax of an irrational, eternal Gentile hatred of Jews." (p41, Finkelstein)

      NATHAN- " The Holocaust is an event without precedent in the annals of mankind."

      Insofar as it is an example of mass murder which happened to Jews instead of some Third World people of color, you may be right. Other than the particular victim and the modality, however, mass murder of humans by other humans appears to be rather common. White Europeans have spilled rivers of colored blood. A lot of white blood too. The "uniqueness" of the Holocaust is Zionist dogma post 1967 (see above).

    • JACK GREEN- "The crusaders murdered Jews."

      Your whole comment is basically dishonest. You pretend to respond to my comment without actually responding to my comment. Instead, you provide Zionist boilerplate about Jewish suffering. Your first sentence is quite revealing. You essentially misinterpret the crusades as an anti-Semitic pogrom rather than dealing with the relevant context. The primary victims of the crusades were the Muslims. White Europeans invaded the Middle East in order to subjugate Muslims. In similar fashion, but on a lesser scale, Ashkenazi Europeans invaded the Middle East to subjugate the Muslims of Palestine. You suffer from extreme Judeocenrism.

      JACK GREEN- "135 countries expelled the Jews. (ethnic cleansing )"

      Aren't you exaggerating a bit? Any references, etc? Yuri Slezkine notes that "There was nothing particularly unusual about the social and economic position of the Jews in medieval and early modern Europe." (p4, "The Jewish Century," Yuri Slezkine). But you see different? For a people who you say kept getting ethnically cleansed, Jews miraculously managed to accumulate a lot of capital. Jewish money financed the Suez and Panama canals and the 30 years war. Gilded victimhood?

      JACK GREEN- "Jews were locked in ghettos."

      Most of these "ghettos" were voluntary enclaves of Jews who had considerable autonomy within the Gentile community and wished to remain apart. Most of these Jews welcomed their liberation from Rabbinic authoritarianism by the Gentile monarchs.

      JACK GREEN- "Russians engaged in pogroms against Jews."

      YONI FALIC- "Pogroms in the Czarist Empire include gentile on gentile pogroms, gentile on Jew pogroms, Jew on Jew pogroms, and Jew on gentile pogroms."

      JACK GREEN- "The Holocaust."

      The Holocaust cannot be viewed outside the events of World War II. Over 60 million people died. It wasn't all about the Jews. Most Jewish leaders stressed that point up until the 1967 war when the Holocaust was reinterpreted as the culmination of 2000 years of anti-Semitism, the very cornerstone of the Zionist ideology. One inconvenient fact, Jack, is that the overwhelming majority of Jewish Holocaust victims were either non-Zionists or anti-Zionists. This is reflected in the fact that most Jewish refugees preferred to go to Britain or the US if able. This even after the Holocaust when the Zionists terrorized the camps to coerce recruits to go to Israel.

      Frankly, Jack, my response dealing explicitly with your Zionist boilerplate is more than you deserve. You are a troll. Nothing I have said will make a difference. You will repeat the same Zionist myth-history again and again.

    • JACK GREEN- "Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries."

      Persecuted more than the Gentile peasants? Persecuted by who? Do you have any empirical data to show that Diaspora Jews were, on average, worse off than the majority of non-noble Gentiles? If Jews always had it so bad, why did many Eastern Europeans convert to Judaism? Were they masochists? Or were most Jews materially better off than most Gentiles?

  • On Charlottesville and Jewish memory
    • JON S- "Indeed all the major “classical” mainstream Zionist leaders and thinkers such as Herzl, Weizmann, BenGurion and Jabotinsky – all of them expressed the intention to live in peaceful coexistence with the Arab population."

      What's this? Your "Iron Wall" of Hasbara?

  • Why I am leaving Israel
  • The 'vertical apartheid' of the Israeli occupation
  • Racial supremacy and the Zionist exception
    • MOOSER- "Want to link some of those regular people videos?"

      Below is a link to some ACLU footage on twitter. The point is that this was a violent confrontation which was allowed to transpire for some time by the police who probably could have prevented much of the violence. I still believe that potentially violent street confrontations between the Left and the Right are being encouraged. Divide and rule.
      ACLU Virginia link:

  • Trump response to Charlottesville sugarcoats a rotten morality
    • JD65- "Has a bar ever been set lower?"

      I might add that something is not being mentioned. The right of free speech even for those who are white supremacists. They did, after all, have a permit to demonstrate, something which the counter demonstrators did not have. Let these jerks blow off a little steam and let the police deal with their actions. I seriously doubt that anyone would have been killed had there been no confrontation and fighting. And yes, the Antifa groups are not pacifists either. I sense more than a little elite involvement in getting the 99% to fight each other while the fat-cats take care of business. I am less worried about Richard Spencer than I am about Bill Gates and a cashless society, or the Dems and war with Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc. But Mooser is an street fightin' man and eager to rile up the Mondo faithful to get on with it, even if street fighting is counterproductive.

      A parting comment and quote. Trump bring fascism to America? Is this a joke? The essence of fascism is the control of the economy through the military. World War II ended the Great Depression, not the New Deal. As a consequence, following WW2, military Keynesianism (a form of fascism) was used to stimulate and control the economy. The US has been covertly fascistic (a warfare state empire) since 1945. It is becoming more overt now due to changes in the political economy. The quote:

      "Modern fascism should be properly called corporatism, since it is the merger of state, military and corporate power." (Benito Mussolini)

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