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  • Liberal Zionists support Scarlett Johansson-- and settlements. Why?
    • "Liberal Zionists support Scarlett Johansson– and settlements. Why?"

      I think it's because of the completely dysfunctional relationship Americans (others too, but Americans in particular) have with so-called celebrities. From a rational point of view, there is no reason to believe that a famous actress has any more ethical backbone than any other person, or that her opinions on anything other than acting are relevant or well-founded.

      But the belief that people who are rich and famous are universally 'better' than those who are not runs deep. So deep that it basically forces compliance even from those who don't agree because having the 'correct' opinion on a given celebrity is almost a social duty.

      To myself it is relatively obvious from Johansson's own statements that she is either a) uninformed and unable to think this issue through, because otherwise she could not believe that SodaStream was committed to 'equal rights' for its Palestinian exploitees or
      b) does not in fact believe that but chose to claim it anyway in order to bamboozle even less well informed people.

      So, in a well known pattern, this means she is either an idiot or a liar. But you will never see any voices in the mainstream media, even among those critical of her actions, put it in nearly as blunt terms. Why not? Because this kind of lèse-majesté would be unthinkable unless and until she commits something from the catalog of sins that would officially have her good celebrity standing removed. Like being caught on camera kicking a dog or something to that effect.

  • Echoing Netanyahu, Ted Cruz slams Kerry and calls on Iran to recognize Israel as 'Jewish state'
    • You do realize that SWIFT is a European organization, that its chairman is Dutch and that its HQ is located in Brussels? The US can snoop on, and to an extent control SWIFT transactions thanks solely to a treaty the EU countries (foolishly) signed, but which can be abrogated - something that in light of the recent NSA scandals a growing number of EU politicians has been in favor of anyway. Thanks to geographical reasons alone, if push comes to shove, the US has no means of exercising control over SWIFT without a military invasion of Belgium.

  • 'If the world turns on us, we will go North Korea on them' -- say some Israelis
    • Okay Mike, I have no idea what you've been smoking, but on the off-chance that it's not illegal in the Netherlands, maybe you could send some of it my way.

      Israel will remove the settlers from the West Bank, and most definitely will put down any uprising the fanatical fringe among the settlers may want to instigate - if the large majority of Israelis, be they just as racist but slightly more sane, or even merely callously apathetic, is subjected to economic pressure. "Going North Korea" is a hilarious phrase to use in this context, because if Israel truly decides to willfully become a global pariah, it will indeed "go North Korea" - economically. And as soon as Jewish Israelis, members of the pampered global upper class that most of them are - YES, even those poor souls who can't afford a decent house anywhere near Tel Aviv - begin to feel even the slightest little pangs that will come at the very start of this development, there is indeed the serious possibility of a revolt - unless the Israeli government immediately reverses its policies and does whatever the international community demands to end its economic isolation.

      Right-wing Israelis can brag all day about how tough they are: I ain't buying it. They currently want to keep their colonies because they think there's no consequences, but if their freedom to travel, their cars, their access to the Internet, their cheap clothes, or many other things that the international community can easily take away from them if it musters the political will are on the line - they're going to comply with said international community's demands in a heartbeat. They'll whine and cry foul and call everyone on the planet an anti-semite - but they'll comply.

  • Zombie Hasbara: 'World War Z' and Hollywood’s Zionist embrace
    • "(The zombie phenomenon in pop culture perplexes me. I can understand the appeal of vampires and dragons–they may be evil, but they’re cool– but zombies? Not sure what it means.)"

      Thanks for posting this. I thought I was the only one.

  • Palestinian activist Abir Kopty: Oslo should go, the peace process serves Israeli interests
    • Revert to official, rather than just de facto, Israeli rule over and responsibility for all the occupied territories - yes. Whether this would include "collecting all weapons from Palestinian security forces" remains to be seen. Those in the Israeli government who are as blinded by their fanaticism as you are will probably want to do it, but Israeli security leaders are going to take them aside and tell them in private that it's not a good idea.

      This scenario will simply mean that Israel can no longer outsource its occupation and that the reality of said occupation becomes more obvious. It will also bury the pretense of a two-state solution. I don't see a problem with any of this.

  • Day Two of Obama in Israel/Palestine — Obama visits Ramallah and addresses the Israeli people
    • Obama’s (above excerpt) was a good and necessary speech.

      Are you kidding? The speech could have been held by Mr. Mackey from South Park. "It's important to be nice to other people, m'kay? Even if they are Palestinians, m'kay?"
      No political principles, no recognition of the allegedly universally known outlines of a "deal", no indication of the US role in this, nothing. This speech literally had no content.

    • The Audience was likely hand-picked, possibly even instructed, to applaud his vapid motherhood statements.

  • 'Peace Now' message to Obama sure to rock the boat -- not
    • If there is still time, I'd recommend for Palestinians to counter with a "We the People want Freedom!" or "We the People want Justice!" or "We the People demand our rights!"

  • Benjamin Netanyahu vs. The Two-State Solution
    • "I know that Rabin is seen as man of peace in the US"

      As far as his historical reputation is concerned, Rabin was lucky he got assassinated. I sincerely doubt he would be regarded as a purehearted peace martyr today had he lived and stayed in office.

  • How do you say, 'Let them eat cake' in Arabic?
    • The historical city of Jerusalem in 1880, 1920 or 1940 has nothing to do with the huge swath of land Israel has arbitrarily designated "Jerusalem" - and in the latter area, Jews have not been a majority since antiquity. Until Israel started ethnically cleansing it, that is.

    • Please tell me that this Facebook page is just the section for children. Please? No?

      "Welcome Mr. Obama! Hebron youth sing a rap song to the President. How many times do you hear the word Obama?"

      "Meet Air Force One, the presidential aircraft that will take President Obama on his trip to the Middle East. Do you know who is the first President to fly in his own jet aircraft?"

      "Famed aviator Amelia Earhart is financial attache Jeanne Miller’s hero, and presented on Earhart during a celebration of Women’s History Month at the America House, Jerusalem. Who’s your hero?"

      Jesus H. Christ! This type of naive-condescending language wouldn't be appropriate in a storybook for 10-year-olds. Directed at an adult audience, it can only be seen as a sick joke. I sincerely hope that at least some of it sounds better in the Arabic versions.

  • Obama visit fails to impress Palestinians in Ramallah
    • If Abbas, Fayyad or any of the politicians Obama wants to have his photo taken with had any dignity or integrity, they would just have told the President of the US they had no time for him, and he could maybe meet with a junior vice Secretary of the Foreign office or something.

  • Dennis Ross says Israel should unilaterally take 8% of West Bank while stating 'it has no intention of expanding into future Palestinian state'
  • Denied entry by Israel, American teacher prepares to say goodbye to Palestinian students
    • I don't really know what's worse about clowns like giladg. The condescending racism with which they would have Palestinians under the Israeli thumb forever or the complete cluelessness regarding military matters, obvious from totally preposterous scenario of a conventional land invasion via the West Bank.

  • Video: Israeli settler lecturing Palestinian farmers -- 'You'll all be our slaves, if you're worthy, if you behave well'
    • "Jews are willing to share, as explained by the Jewish farmer in the video. "

      As they say on the Internet: Obvious troll is obvious.

  • Merkel squirms during Netanyahu's love song to 'special relationship'
    • Meh. Merkel has two facial expressions: Sour-dour and inane smile. I wouldn't read too much into the fact that she opted for the former on this occasion.

      In any case, Merkel remain's Netanyahu's lapdog as far as all relevant questions are concerned. Most of the the German political and intellectual elite share this abject cowardice when it comes to Israel - and are increasingly out of sync with the general public.

  • Charting the 'peace process'
    • By pointing out that it is wrong?

      "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

      The 'forced' transfer is mentioned earlier in the same article and refers to inhabitants of the occupied area. Naturally, Israeli is also guilty of that.

  • Video: What if you built a refuge for a persecuted people in a place where another people already lived?
    • Exactly, joemowrey. In addition, the Arab countries did not actually "invade" any territory that was designated for the Jewish state under the 1947 partition plan. By contrast, Israeli military forces were busy ethnically cleansing not only their own UN-designated territory, but also areas assigned to the future Arab state or the Jerusalem special area (such as Deir Yassin) when the state was established.

      In short words, even if one accepts the 1947 partition plan as legitimate and as a basis for Israel's declaration of statehood, Israel has invaded and occupied territories outside of its own borders from day one of its existence and has not stopped doing so ever. The entire existence of Israel so far has been a continuous war of aggression.

  • 'We lost Europe,' says Israeli official
    • The UNSC is not going to refer a case involving Israel to the ICC.
      That is irrelevant. The ICC can prosecute cases independently of the UNSC, if they involve territory of a state member, which would now be the case if Palestine joined.
      The subsidiary principle is, as I said, judged by the ICC alone. Considering Israeli military courts' track record, it's not likely that they are considered sufficient.

      Not to mention that the deal that Abbas made with the Europeans, apparently, was to refrain from bringing cases in exchange for votes, a very good deal, in my opinion.
      You are misinformed. In fact, Abbas refused to agree to this condition, which is precisely why the UK abstained instead of voting yes.
      Get it into your head that European countries voted for the resolution because they agree with it and because they disagree with Israel's despicable conduct, not because of any "deals". Also get it into your head that this 'losing Europe' is still the kids' gloves version. If it were up to the German people instead of the government, for example, the vote would have been "yes" instead of a mere abstention. People in Europe are thoroughly fed up with Israel's bullshit.

    • a) The ICC decides that question by itself. There is no higher controlling authority.
      b) Israel is not a party to the ICC's statute and does not accept the authority of the ICC. It cannot bring any cases before the court.

  • Following poll on Israeli support for apartheid, Gideon Levy says 'making peace would be an almost anti-democratic act'
    • This didn’t happen in a vacuum.
      Translation: Our Apartheid regime is necessary to defend ourselves against people who resist our Apartheid regime.

      Should Israelis simply accept being shot at?
      Israelis should get their settler-colonialist asses out of the West Bank.

  • A meeting with the spokesman of the Jewish settlers in Hebron
    • Forget it Pam. You're never going to get an honest answer about that.
      I'll say one thing, though. Comparing Wilder to the KKK wasn't accurate. The KKK was/is upfront about their racism. Wilder lies about, obfuscates, distracts from and evades his own, which is especially obvious from the interview he linked to himself (?). It's an interesting read. (And most interestingly described as "honest", which I guess it is, as far as the questions are concerned, though I have my doubts about even that.)

      This also tells us another thing: Wilder is totally oblivious to the fact that his lies are transparent to anybody with a working brain unimpaired by the illness of racist or religious fanaticism.
      He thinks that by choosing his words carefully, he can actually make people believe he's a second Menachem Froman. Which he obviously can't, seeing how Froman is nigh-universally respected while Wilder and his ilk are nigh-universally despised for good reason. But he's very probably oblivious even to that.

  • Abbas warns repeatedly of 'new Nakba' --Israel ethnically cleansing Palestinians
    • Perhaps this explains why Israel and the US are so determined to block UN recognition despite the fact that it would not bring about any immediate change on the ground.

      In any case, that's good enough of an indicator IMHO. If the US and Israel are against it, it's with nigh certainty good for the Palestinians.

  • Video: Israeli kids in the army museum ('I picture a dead Arab and that makes me happy')
    • I guarantee every kid who can get his hands on a copy of Worlds of Warcraft is going to play.

      Your conflating WoW's cartoony fantasy world with "blood, guts, death" and mentioning in the context of real world militarization and ethnic hatred only confirms what was obvious from the start: You have no idea what you are talking about.

    • Maybe it's different in the US or Israel, but I can assure you that violent videogames are not considered appropriate for 10-year olds "the world over".

  • Abbas agrees to 'Dershowitz Formula' in NY meeting with Jewish leaders
    • Meh. Not ruling out that Dershowitz made this up whole cloth. Even if he did not: Nothing of consequence will result.

  • Ninny Middleton doesn't understand the job description
  • IHT's unkind, inaccurate cut: ‘Germany making Jews feel unwelcome’
    • I don’t see any legislation to ban ear piercing of children, which also violates physical integrity

      Actually, there has been a recent court decision banning piercings for children incapable of consent. It should also be noted that politicians, doctors and professional piercers alike recommend piercings only for older children capable of consent, about ~14 and up.

    • too much leeway.

      How exactly would less "leeway" look?
      The article you quote approvingly speaks of "rooting out", a "crackdown", "zero tolerance" etc. - what is this belligerent language supposed to mean? Should all NPD members and/or voters be rounded up and sent to prison camps?

      Germany is actually far less tolerant of hate speech and openly undemocratic political groups than, for example, the United States. But it is a liberal democracy, and in liberal democracies even highly offensive people are tolerated as long as they don't become violent.

  • AP reported anti-Islam film that sparked protests was made to help Israel, but questions surround producer of the film
    • So are you arguing that repression in Libya is necessary to keep people in order?

      No.
      I'm arguing that destabilization results in things like we just witnessed. Repression actually results in violence as well, but in the other direction.

      I guess so. Qaddafi was stable?

      Until he was not, yes.

      The same thing happened with the Danish cartoons.

      Hmmm... no? The people who died in the protests against these cartoons were protesters. Certainly no Western embassy personnel.

    • I was referring to late-period, post-sanctions Gaddafi. You know the time when he basically was the West's darling (or so he thought) in the late 90s and the 2000s. Not the early "revolutionary leader" period.

    • THIS IS NOT ISRAEL’S PROBLEM. THIS IS AN ISLAMIC MILITANT PROBLEM.

      First of all: Stop yelling.
      Now that this is out of the way: You are wrong. This is a "lack of stability" problem. Libya, thanks in no small part to the US' efforts, is an unstable country with a considerable lack of state control. People are killed daily for belonging to the wrong ethnic group or other trivialities, and now the US ambassador and his subordinates have been killed in a similar fashion.
      I can guarantee you that under a stable, strong Libyan regime (like Gaddafi's) this would not have happened. I can likewise assure you that, for example in Israel - which has no shortage of religiously fanatic Jews - something like this could easily happen if there was no strong state control.

  • Two-stater says the reality has shifted to one apartheid state
    • Can I take your artful dodging of the actual point to mean that you have no answer?

    • So I guess I should maybe make clear what my point is.

      The only thing that may yet save the two state solution is to declare it dead!

      As long as we keep pretending that the 2SS can never die and that there are no alternatives, Israel can keep the status quo going ad infinitum and there's not even a whole lot to argue against this. Because at some mythical point in the future when the stars are right, the 2SS will happen regardless, Israel can do whatever it pleases.

      Settlements? Not a problem, they don't endanger the 2SS.
      Judaizing East Jerusalem? Not a problem, doesn't endanger the 2SS.
      Solidifying Israel's grip on "Area C"? Not a problem, doesn't endanger the 2SS.

      Politicians have a habit of only acting when it's already too late to act. So the point everybody interested in Palestinians' rights should drive home in the field of public opinion is that there is a point where it is too late for a 2SS and that point is not some faraway future scenario but now!

      The fiction of a "peace process" that will inevitably bring about an immortal 2SS on St. Nimmerlein's day is a smoke screen for maintaining the status quo forever.

      Mind you, I am by no means sure if the 2SS can, in fact, be saved by such a much-needed reality shock. It may very well turn out that it can't. But even then, actually especially then, facing the reality of its failure is necessary if there is ever going to be any progress at all.

    • what exactly are the additional elements of your plan for preventing the Zionists from turning East Jerusalem into a King David theme park/resort in the next few months; displacing tens of thousands of Bedouins; and turning the Hebron area into an IDF firing range?

      Why do you care about any of these things? It's not like any of this makes the 2SS impossible, correct? It can still be implemented whenever the political conditions are just right, whether it's in 10 years or 25 years or 100 years, correct? And although two-staters are going to talk about how settlements make the 2SS "difficult", they will never ever make it impossible, so why the fuss about settlements? Anyway, see below.

    • Doesn’t “dealing with” a very oppressive “one state reality” imply finding a “solution” on that one-state basis?

      No.

    • Either way, you need to explain how you are going to achieve a single state solution.

      No, I really don't. This is not about achieving a one state solution. It's about dealing with a one state reality.

      The US, UK, and other countries have managed to keep Samoans, Chagos Islanders, and Falkland Islanders disenfranchised or in political limbo too. What will automatically insure a different outcome in the case of Palestine?

      a) Falklanders are British citizens. Your description of them as "disenfranchised or in political limbo" is nonsense. EOD.
      b) American Samoa is different, but it's neither overrun by settlers from Texas nor under the jackboot of an oppressive military occupation. Furthermore if there actually was a strong political movement in Samoa to change the status quo and acquire automatic American citizenship, it would happen.
      c) Leaves the Chagossians. What the UK and the US did to these people is an outrage, and one that needs to spoken about more. That said: There are more than a thousand times as many Palestinians in the "territories" alone than there are Chagossians. And the conflict affecting them is much more high-profile. If you think that the same applies to them as to the Chagossians just because their situations are theoretically comparable, you need to get a reality check.

    • And there goes another one...
      Carlo Strenger is coming to terms with reality as well:
      link to haaretz.com

    • The PA had been pursuing a South Africa-Namibia style anti-occupation

      Now you're just being disingenuous.

      establish a Palestinian jurisdiction over the Arab and Jewish inhabitants living there

      Be honest now: Have you sold your account to Richard Witty? Which means "Are you Richard Witty?" I guess...

    • The United States occupation forces destroyed the Japanese cyclotron at Kyoto University and other equipment that could be used to produce atomic weapons. That didn’t mean that the occupied state of Japan ceased to exist.

      No, it means that state had no sovereignty and was de facto and de iure governed by the US military occupation. Which is precisely what was the case at that point.
      Come one, Hostage. Can you really be that blind to the content of your own analogies?

    • A de facto single state is quite different from a de jure single state.

      No, it isn't. That's what "de facto" actually means.

    • wishful thinking

      The only wishful thinking here is yours. It's ironic that you should use the phrase...

      wasted 25 years and countless innocent lives

      ... because the very same thing can be said about the "peace process" in pursuit of the two-state illusion. Okay, if you're pedantic, you'll have to wait another few years to fill the round 25, but you get the idea.

      The non-wishful way of thinking is to recognize the current paradigm of the 2SS has failed and that there now is a de facto single apartheid state. It is to recognize that the methods ("dialogue", "discussion", "parties to the table") included in that paradigm have likewise failed.

    • You talk about the League mandate provisions and the UN resolutions along with Israel's "acceptance" of them as if any of this had ever had any practical relevance.

      Forget Bantustans, think American Samoa.

      No, actually think Bantustans. On steroids. The situation in Palestine is very, very far removed from the one in Samoa and quite close to the one in South Africa.

      Bringing up South Africa, which I feel I shouldn't need to at this point, also shatters the illusion that "rights" will protect Israel from outside interference once the current one-state reality is formally acknowledged. Israel does not have a "right" to economic relations, much less to arms shipments, and other countries have all the rights in the world to deny them these things. And at least in Europe, if the cowardice and inertia of the current generation of politicians gives way to something more in sync with popular opinion on Israel, this is what will happen.

    • Exactly. Plus, they present a fig leaf for Israeli oppression: "See, we're having a discussion! See, we're such a democratic society! See, we have a peace movement!" None of this changes anything, but it makes useful propaganda material for those who would never touch any dialogue group with a 10-foot pole.

      Talking to Israelis in their capacity as Israelis is generally speaking worthless. There needs to be more talking about Israel instead.

    • Why, again?
      From the perspective of a one-stater, "normalization" with Israelis who basically support Israel as a Jewish state would be equivalent to the ANC accepting white members who basically support Apartheid.
      Normalization is based around the lie that one can be both "pro-Israel" and support Palestinians' rights. In the real world, rather than the dream world of those who think the 2SS is just around the corner and all it takes is "dialogue" and "discussion", one cannot.

    • And what right does an outside agency have to interfere in Israel’s internal matters, to guarantee equal rights are provided?
      The question what right an outside agency has to interfere in Israel's internal matters is irrelevant to the point of being absurd.
      The question to ask is which means outside agencies could employ to interfere in Israel's internal matters.

  • Help out antiwar leader Scott Horton
    • Can we get Phil’s notions about the fact that the first Hitler law took away private ownership of guns?
      You can get mine: It's not a fact at all.
      Private ownership of guns had first been restricted - but by no means abolished, neither in law nor in practice - in the 1920s by the Weimar Republic government, partially because the victors of WW1 insisted on disarming the German people as well as the state. (Pre-WW1 Imperial Germany had no general restrictions on gun ownership.) The comprehensive 1928 gun laws regulated the possession and carrying of firearms in a way basically similar to what Germany has today.
      After the Nazis came to power, they did not change this law - it was certainly not the "first Hitler law". Instead, they abused it to confiscate guns owned by Jews and political opponents by means of the considerable leeway the police had in enforcing the existing laws.
      When the Nazi government finally got around to reforming gun laws in 1938, they confirmed these practices as law: Gun ownership by Jews and politically "unreliable" people was outlawed. However, restrictions on gun ownership by "Aryan" Germans were actually relaxed. For example, ownership of rifles (as opposed to handguns) was no longer regulated at all, even though it had been under the Weimar republic laws.
      Actual disarmament, the near-total ban of private gun ownership, was only effected post-WW2 by the victorious allies, including the US.

  • Savage Geller bus ad hits San Francisco Muni
    • I wish I could say I'm certain that this kind of crude, hateful propaganda will only serve to justly discredit the cause of those who disseminate it. Unfortunately my confidence in the sanity and basic human decency of Western, including American, society is no longer as high as it used to be.

  • One apartheid state, with liberty and justice for Jews only
    • Koshiro and Mooser- I understand.

      You asked a question. I answered it. Apparently you don't like the answer, but as it is based on inescapable facts and rational conclusions, you can't really argue against it.

    • Can full citizenship rights coexist with a sectarian militia of a different sect being the only military on a certain piece of turf? obviously not the easiest proposition, but a useful thought experiment.)

      Q: What purpose would, under considerations of external security, the exclusion of some ethnicities from the military serve?
      A: None.
      Q: Which other possible reasons for such an exclusion are there, then?
      A: a) Inertia of traditional prejudices. b) Possible use of the military by one ethnic group against the other in internal conflicts.
      Q: If one of these two conditions apply, can we truly speak of equal citizenship?
      A: Nope.

      End of discussion.

    • There's two possibilities of what J Streeters are, if pieces like the following are any indication:
      link to thejewishweek.com

      The more flattering possibility is that Rachel Lerner, who shall serve as an example here, is a little fool, a useful idiot for the Settler Power. So clueless that even the ironically perfect timing of the Levy report with her smugly congratulating herself for her "success" in stymying another effort at the only thing that can bring about a just two-state solution - pressure on Israel - leaves her unable to connect the all-too-obvious dots and conclude that Israel will gladly take her lobbying work to shield it from all harm but laugh its collective rear end off at the suggestion that her political ideas about "democracy" and stopping the settlements should be given even the least amount of consideration. The added bonus for Israel being the ability to point at fools like her and say "See, we are pluralistic and peace-loving. Look at our (ignored and ineffective) peace camp. See how much better we are than the Arabs?"

      The less flattering possibility is that she is not that monumentally naive to the point of being delusional but does it all on purpose.

      Either way: The sooner "liberal Zionist" groups like J Street are marginalized and vanish from the political scene the better. They achieve nothing, actively obstruct needed pressure on Israel and serve as a fig leaf for the actual, wholly ugly face of the Settler Power.

    • Except other dark-skinned people, if we don't like them. Then even the inherently immoral act of suicide bombing becomes heroic.

  • Circumcision deaths are a legalized non-scandal
    • The state — to the extent that it’s necessary at all — is there to prevent total chaos and to make sure that there’s clean water and decent sewage.

      You may think so, but the German state (and in fact quite a lot of other countries) is built on different ideas.

    • No one is talking about my right to stone my adulterous daughter to death here. We’re talking about a scrap of skin.

      What we are talking about is objectively a bodily injury (Körperverletzung) in legal terms. To allow such an injury in the case of medical procedures requires the consent of the patient. An infant cannot give consent, but the parents can do so. However, the ability of parents to act in the stead of their children is limited: The law clearly states that parents are obliged to act in the best interest of the child. Medically unnecessary procedures involving the permanent removal of body parts are not deemed to be in the best interest of the child.

  • Tourism in Israeli settlements: Practice shooting Palestinians
    • Is it really surprising that the settlements offer an activity like this?
      No. People who willingly and unnecessarily take their children to live right in the middle of an intensely hostile population (with good reasons to be hostile, but that's irrelevant to this point) just to establish their tribal entity's dominance surely don't have any problems with turning these same children into killing machines to achieve the same end.

      The contortions Fredblogs and you go through to defend teaching 5 year olds to kill are amusing to watch, though. Tells us a lot about your allegedly being liberal, pro-peace or whatever label you invent for yourself: In reality, you're just stooges for the Settler Power, like most lip-service "liberal Zionists" frequenting this site are.

    • But as soon as they get shot they magically become terrorists.
      Exactly.

      I'm sure that these settlers will be so incredibly generous not to consider Palestinians "terrorists" if they just prostrate themselves, obediently vacate their property and move away to Jordan, and generally accept the superiority of their Jewish masters.

      But Palestinians who dare resist in any way, or make the mistake of standing next to those who do: Terrorists, of course.

      I could now list in detail how Israel has labeled basically all forms of Palestinian resistance "terrorism", but I won't. Because other people have already done that:
      link to 972mag.com

      I'll just pick out one example because it sheds some light on what the organized settler community, specifically, considers "terrorism":
      link to ynetnews.com

    • Yeah, sure, Fredo. I’m sure if some other state had a “shoot the IDF occupier
      Actually, the analogy would be "shoot the occupiers". I'm sure Fredblogs agrees that if Palestinians children were taught to "shoot the occupiers", that could mean some hypothetical non-Israel occupiers.

      Just like when Ahmadinejad says that the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish, he could mean any number of real or fictional regimes associated in one way or another with Jerusalem.

    • It’s like cops and robbers.
      That's the most patently idiotic thing I have read all day. And my standards for that are low.

      BTW, who says that “Mechabel” is a synonym for Palestinians?
      Okay, smart guy: Which non-Palestinian "terrorists" could these settler guys mean? Possibly?

  • Why hasn't Jonathan Pollard applied for parole?
    • Oh, the tu quoque game, eh? Let's keep it closer to home, shall we Fred?
      Like this:
      As long as Israel imprisons hundreds of people - at least - without charge, trial, legal counsel or any other of the many rights Pollard enjoyed and still enjoys, Israel and its apologists should keep their damn mouths shut about him. Concern yourself with Mamouhd Sarsak if you want to help someone who actually ist unjustly and inhumanely imprisoned.

  • Michael Oren: Al Qaida is in Egypt
    • Israel is a safe haven and Israel is constantly under existential threat!
      Palestinian Israelis love it here and Palestinian Israels are a disloyal fifth column just waiting to destroy Israel!
      Settlements are an integral part of Israel and they are outside Israel.
      Gaza is a free, unoccupied territory and Israel has the right to control its borders, airspace, and whatever internal areas it deems necessary.

      It's really quite simple: Doublethink is a basic requirement for any proper Zionist nowadays.
      War is Peace! Nonviolence is Terrorism! Occupation is Freedom! Democracy is Tyranny!

  • Theater review: In 'Food and Fadwa,' the occupation is the elephant in the room
    • I'm pretty sure you could produce a comedy about a North Korean family struggling to get by, in which the only reminder of the North Korean regime would be occasional power outages and the occasional guy in a uniform.

      I'm also pretty sure I know what the reaction to this would be.

      P.S.: I should note that I have not seen the play and that Laura's post below makes it appear that the author does in fact "cram the occupation down our throats".

  • Netanyahu: 'My plan strengthens and expands the settlements'
    • You’d be wrong.
      Or you're just lying. Experience leads me to believe this is the case.

      the Israelis taking land from people that keep firing missiles at them
      "The Arab" is just a single, amorphous mass to you, eh?

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