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Hmm, so let's see, aside from dropping 2 atomic bombs on civilians, you fought in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, and now Iraq and Afghanistan.. All countries not directly threatening the US.
Please preach to us more about self-defense and human rights.
What, Americans assassinating people in foreign countries extrajudicially? Call Goldstone, call HRC, call Chaos and Cliff. This is outrageous.
Ofer, that term Mityavnim is correct for you, I would also add KAPO boged
The old Jew produced a lot as do the new Jews, in case you haven't noticed. The old Jews got politely onto the cattle cars, walked quietly into the gas chambers or into the mass graves.
I know it offends you terribly that we refuse to be those old Jews again. Damn uppity Jews don't know their place.
I am proud to say that I served directly with Boogie in the IDF Paratroops in the mid 1970s. He was one of the first to remind me of the new Jew. The one that doesn't take any crap. The one that builds a state we can be proud of, and is ready to defend it at any time. Yet, the one who is also a realist to the neighborhood we live in.
If Phil found himself in a bus or market that a homicide bomber just blew himself and others up in, what would be the report then?
I recall very well when there were no checkpoints, no chutes as you call them. So what brought this about?
Phil, I am always amazed when you write these reports that you don't even see your own bias. EVERY Israeli is evil and every Palestinian you meet is oppressed but a truly gentle soul. If someone were to write this kind of report but in reverse, you would all yell racist.
Oh, and in your eyes, Neturei Karta are the good guys.
Actually, it's not as dramatic as many of you want it to be. It's a generation that grew up in comfort, so their interests are their Facebook status, their career etc.
Should they see Israel seriously threatened, that will change.
Eh, Disillusioned, my response was actually directed at you since you quoted this beauty
create Omega-3 and Iodine deficiency
One thing I see, you quickly picked up that nonsense that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a Hasbara worker.
Don't forget some of our other devious plots:
Sex gum to Palestinians to turn them into raving perverts
link to ynetnews.com
Israeli trained sharks released in Egyptian waters
link to jpost.com
Well said eee. I don't even believe in revenge against the Arabs or Palestinians that attack us. I say go after the perpetrators and make them hurt.
For example, I think that Israel has been way too gentle in the way it handled the Gilad Shalit affair. They should have imprisoned every single Hamas leader and tell them, ok, you all go free when Gilad does. No visitors, no phone calls, no mail. Nothing. No contact whatsoever.
"You’re blinded by hatred,"
Actually, I had my eyes opened wide by personal history. There is not much more needed to see your own mother with a number tattooed on her arm and to know what went on in Auschwitz and places like that.
In particular, the Germans went all the way to her tiny town in Hungary near the border with Czechoslovakia to pull her and all her family to Auschwitz. They weren't even around any Germans till then.
In fact, I said before, I understand what the Palestinians must feel. The vast difference is that the Jews in WW2 were not attacking anyone. The Palestinians on the other hand, through their "friends" in the Arab/Muslim world attacked Israel on numerous occaisons.
I'll go even further to say, that if it was just the average Palestinian talking, we would have peace in no time. But, there are many in their world for whom the status quo works very well. It worked for Arafat to be the revolutionary, but he did not want to be bothered by having to govern. Same goes for Hamas and the PLO. Same goes for the Arab world/Muslim world and their abuse of the Palestinian agenda.
Ok Kathleen, as soon as the Arab world acknowledges the crimes against us. As soon as the Palestinians acknowledge the terror attacks against us for the past 63 years.
When a leader among the Palestinians stands up and says "We were wrong to kill the Israeli athletes in Munich, the children in Maalot, the kids at Sbarro Pizza, and the people at the Passover dinner in Netanya, just to name a few, then I might be ready to forgive.
annie,
There was a Nazi unit called Einsatzgruppen. These were people who were not soldiers not SS, they did not get drafted into those units. They were often older than regular soldiers many of them had families and their own children.
Their role was to enter towns conquered by the Germans in the East and murder all the Jews
The process was typically to violently round up all the Jews, there was no pretense here. They would shoot a few on the way to the central location. Then they would get a few Jews to dig the mass grave. They would then march a group at at a time tomthe grave. Adults would be shot, kids were not worth a bullet, so often just thrown in alive.
Goldhagen describes these people walking the children along the forest path to the grave, one of the Einsatzgruppe embers holding the hand of one little Jewish girl, perhaps the age of one of his kids. They reach the horrific scene of the mass graves which rumbles and moves because not everyone died from being shot. This German then either shots the child in the head or just throws her into the grave.
How does that happen? Years and years of indoctrination against Jews, many of the same terms we see here on MW. No, I cannot in my lifetime forgive and forget.
Antidote. I'm getting a sense from your posts that you f,eel Germany was hard done by in WW2. I agree with you on the part about hypocrisy of those who preach to us about war. However, I have zero sympathy for what was done to the Germans. Zero!!
Piotr, it's very easy to use Google, you just type, "Hungarian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Polish collaboration with Nazis" and what do you know, it's all there.
Antidote, what Jews did to Poles, yes, that's better to talk about then the Judenrein Poland and the everlasting Jew hatred in that country that exists till today. Oh, I forgot what Chaos and Seafoid and Charon say, we Uppity Jews had it coming. Well, Charon actually says, we're not really Jews anyway, so the last laugh was on the Germans and their Eastarn European helpers who mistakenly thought they were killing real Jews.
No, but many of you claim some kind of moral right to demonize us as Jews. Look at your own house first. I would state that in the ledger of crimes against humanity by religion, or by non- religion, that is Communists (Soviet Union, Maos China, Cambodia) we Jews would not even rate a footnote.
It's like Eva from Catholic Poland pointing the finger at us about discrimination, and racism and genocide. her country hasn't even begun to review and come to terms with what they did to the Jews.
Yes, and Israel conquered that castle.
I love it when piotr and seafoid dissect Jewish morality. How about we dissect Christian morality, there would not be enough time and space to chronicle the evil and bloodshed that goes with that religion. Today, Islam is racing to supersede Christianity in it's bloody rampages.
Ah, Joe, can you give us an example of "Once the Empire (the U.S.) is toppled, oppressed peoples around the globe will begin to rebuild their cultures and nations. Not until."
Are Saudis suddenly going to be free? Syrians? Somalis? Cubans?
Who just helped the Libyans throw off oppression?
Another deluded Communist.
You left this out in your one sided rant.
link to haaretz.com
You remind me a bit of the racist Lawrence of Arabia syndrome, romanticizing the Arabs as he did. The Israeli landscape is ugly, the Palestinian side, beautiful
"The sun was setting, which sent a soft purple light on everything, and the hills were rich with trees, and the view of West Jerusalem and the hills beyond was gorgeous. "
What a joke
Why do we worry? Is this the first time our enemies have compiled lists of Jews? As we say, Ani Mashtin aleyhem
ARAFAT’S HIDDEN MILLIONS
Arafat's hidden millions
Excerpts from Al-Watan al-Arabi
July 12, 2002
The Saudi owned Paris journal Al-Watan al-Arabi reported on July 12th that most of Arafat's close associates are concerned with the future and asking questions about the billions of dollars reportedly taken by Arafat and they want to know what happened to the money?
The experts say there are at least 7 billion dollars involved that were gathered through numerous devices, including donations from Palestinians employed in the Gulf states and other countries, and financial aid provided by Arab countries. These billions are now causing secret controversies within the PNA for several reasons that include the possibility that Arafat is finished as leader of the Palestinians. Also upsetting to these searching for the missing funds is the nonexistence of any financial records that prove the quantity of amount of money received by the Palestinian Authority over decades and how this money was spent. Clearly, the quiet controversy within the PNA is to determine Arafat's complicity in the missing funds and the need for any new president to seize control over this wealth so he can exercise the power necessary for his position.
Al-Watan al-Arabi questions the stories of Yasir Arafat squirreling away billions in secret accounts and asks if this just a story spread by his adversaries and enemies? The journal asks why do the estimates of funds in "secret accounts" vary from about $7 billion to about $40 billion? They ask where are the financial records of funding received by the PLO since its inception in 1964? They ask where are the financial records of the PLO expenditures? They ask why did Palestinian financial records disappear after each upheaval affecting the PLO? The journals point out that all the PLO's records vanished when it left Amman during the PLO's presence in Jordan. And the records in Beirut also vanished when Palestinian fighters left Lebanon as they vanished in every other instance.
The journal also reports that high-level Palestinian figures are speaking out about Arafat's wealth and the PNA's need for these funds to assist in forming a state. Additionally, they report that sacked Palestinian security figures leaked details of Arafat's wealth and said that they have documents to prove their assertion.
Moreover, the journal reports that informed sources revealed that the United States government prepared a secret file about Arafat's wealth. They say that the file contains information about Arafat's fiscal assets and secret accounts and documents containing the names of Palestinian and Arab 'businessmen'; but whose real job is to manage these funds for Arafat. They add that the file has information about property owned by Arafat in many countries, including South America. These properties are described as large plantations that along with cash investments and shares are in the names of Arafat's representatives.
The journal says that United States sources leaked information about this file to Arab and Palestinian personalities and would use the information later on to ensure that this wealth will be transferred officially to the PNA and then to the proposed state.
Al-Watan al-Arabi closes by asking is Arafat going to disclose the funds owned by the Palestinian Authority registered in his name or in the names of unknown businessmen? Or will the Palestinian people stay poor?
We are out of Palestine. We are in Israel, land of milk and honey and bamba and Latma
I don't buy this story. Israel has enough experienced military vets, fluent in Hebrew, who needs outsiders? I'm no fan of the JDL, but like that there are Jews in the diaspora ready to fight back. I know that really really pisses off those who like to see the meek Jew who crosses the street to avoid being beaten up.
I don't recall any of you making a fuss when ISM hosted two Brits who killed 3 and wounded 50 in Mikes place in Tel Aviv. None of you recall the Palestinians using Germans to hijack the Air France to Entebbe, and the Japanese to fire randomly into the arrivals all at Ben Gurion Airport. As unpleasant as these JDL may be, they haven't done anything yet.
Phil, very dramatic, yet one would expect that you would give it some context. Why is there a Security Barrier? Here is one reason:
Starting in 2000, Fatah militants took over the homes of Christian Arabs living in Beit Jalla to shoot at Gilo residents. Terrorists fired on Gilo more than 400 times from 2000 - 2002.[3] As a result, Israel erected the protective barrier in 2002, helping to decrease the attacks. Israel later launched a defensive campaign - Operation Defensive Shield - to stop terror attacks during the second Palestinian Intifada (uprising), which stopped the attacks altogether.
You also don't mention what has happened to the huge amount of aid given to the Palestinians that could have been used to build nice neighbourhoods. It ended up in Swiss bank accounts and the leadership of the Palestinians live in very nice homes.
You don's ask why is it there prior to 2002, there was no barrier, there were no special roads and minimal checkpoints. Palestinians worked in Israel and travelled freely there and back. No, it's much easier to blame Israel
Islamic connection to Jerusalem is at best only 1400 years, so sorry, no prize for you
So Shingo, if someone is not born in the USA, then they shouldn't be American, based on your logic above.
You see annie, Shingo actually knows how to craft an intelligent response, something you can learn from him.
Shingo, no doubt that I, like many Jews have a deep trauma conditioning given what we and our families went through, and given our history. The question is, what is it we do about it. In fact, if I was born in a Palestinian refugee camp and was told daily that the Israelis and Jews did this and that to us, I would probably join a terror group.
So, yes, our reality and conditioning is super powerful. I have stated here on several occasions that I do not want to fight the Palestinians or anyone else for that matter. Ask any veteran Israeli combat soldier and they will tell you the same thing. We know how ugly war is, no matter who is involved.
WE NEED TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES BETWEEN US AND THE PALESTINIANS TO MUTUAL BENEFIT.
We need to get to the point where not even one more person is wounded or killed.
On this site however, as it is for many who call themselves activists, it's not about peace between our two people. Its about delegitimizing Israel, it's about eliminating Israel. THAT I WILL FIGHT, AND SHOW NO MERCY.
Stay on point irish, it's Zionists not Jews
Remind me again how Saudi Arabia is an ally of the US and it's people.
What can I tell you, if only all those leaders read Mondoweiss, why they would know the real truth and would dump Israel in a flash. All they have to do is ask Chaos what to do.
You would think the combined leaders of 500 million EU citizens, plus another 300 million in the US could stand up to 5 million irrational, suicidal Jews when US/EU vital national interests are being threatened. I mean christ we are about to lost Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia as result of this mess, that is 3 critical allies and 180 million Muslims, all for 5 million “ungrateful” Jews? What’s the deal here?
Ask Daana if she knows the term Tikfetsi Li, and if that is Israeli enough for her.
She knows very well that being Israeli is not just about being born in Israel.
Yes, my family lived in Hungary. How did they end up in Hungary?
Where is their and mine ancestral homeland? Israel. My Hebrew name is Naftali whose origin goes back to the twelve tribes of Israel. For a while I lived in the Galilee area with the mountains called Harai Naftali as the backdrop. I certainly have a much stronger connection to Israel then you have to the USA.
"when a pro Zionist propaganda arms tells you"
In other words Shingo, you have that magic capability of discerning propaganda from the truth, but somehow we Zionists and those who support us don't. This is the common refrain in supposedly refuting our comments, we are all blind or paid hasbarists.
I did not say that Palestinians had anything to do with the Shoah, though not for lack of trying by Haj Amin al-Husseini. However, what it does mean, when we are threatened with extinction, we take it very seriously. We also take Holocaust denial very seriously, and if you claim that Iran does not mean what they say about destroying Israel then nothing else you say has any value.
As for commentating, when someone here presents a statement that is presented well and is open to debate, sure. When it's a rant like Chaos usually like to spout, it's a waste of energy and pixels.
As for Nasser, yes, that's why Israel had it's army mobilized for weeks, because they knew he was just kidding.. Closing the Straits of Tiran, putting several divisions into the Sinai and kicking out the UN. Meanwhile the mobs in Egypt and Syria scream "Itbach al Yahud"
I'm laughing at his sense of humour even now.
Regardless of who posted it, do you dispute what he is saying in the video?
You have Mondoweiss, we have Memri
When someone presents an argument in a rational manner, even if I disagree with it, I can review it and learn from it and respond. Chaos, Shingo, Cliff and Annie etc however feel that they need childish insults to get their points across, in fact, usually just leave out the points, since they don't have any. Of course, it does not matter to me, but it really just demonstrates that the issue is not the Palestinians, but simple hatred of Jews.
I find your assertions puzzling. The goyim as you refer to them put us in ghettos, made us wear clearly identifiable garments and then accuse of us being exclusive and clannish. Every once in a while, they would decimate us, or expel us. Jews like nothing more than to assimilate, we see it now in the West all the time.
Yes, I know, you are all tired of hearing of the Shoah. However, I am trying to figure out how it was that my mother, not a religious Jew, living in some small town in Hungary ended up in Auschwitz where her extended family was destroyed. I guess it was because she had an air of superiority about her vis-a-vis the goyim.
The lesson I am supposed to learn from this according to you and Shingo etc. Stop being such a Jew. Stop being paranoid. When Iran says they want to wipe you off the map, they are just being farcical. When even so-called moderate members of the Fatah leadership say that Israel should not exist, we should just grin and bear it. When Hamas and Hizbollah say they Israel should be eliminated, why it's just rhetoric.
When Nasser said back in 1967 that the Jews would be pushed into the sea, he was just currying favor with the Arab world. Had they gone through with their desires and defeated Israel, why it would have been the gentlest defeat ever..
More often than not, Chaos isn't worth spending any time responding to.
First, I am not British and never have been. I am ISRAELI.
Second, in case you missed it, Israel agreed to the UN decision to partition the land governed by the British that had all kinds of people living there into two states. The Arab world refused and went to war. They tried to do that again in 1967 and in 1973. Now they go to the UN whining that they are dispossessed victims. It's like the famous joke about Chutzpah. A child kills his parents and then begs the court for mercy on account of him being an orphan,
Nonsense. Jews could not do any of that until they were masters in their own land. Jews were somewhat successful in Arab lands DESPITE their dhimmi status and despite sometimes fairly harsh decrees against them.
link to amazon.com
You and the others here never talk about the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the Arab/Muslim world. Those countries are the real apartheid states. In fact, even among Muslims, the hate is so great, that they murder each other almost on a daily basis, never mind what they do to Christians, Copts etc.
Liberal democracy? How long has that been around in the Western world?
Fatah, the so-called moderates among the Palestinians and what they really say in Arabic:
link to memritv.org
No, it was a PLACE called Palestine. There was no Palestinian government, no Palestinian judiciary, nothing but a British Mandate. Jews, Christians and Muslims who lived there were "Palestinians"
You deftly avoided the comment about how there was no identifiable Palestinian National movement, similar to Zionism for the Jews. I find it ironic that Turkey is now all about the Palestinians, but didn't see the need to give them a country when they occupied the area as Ottomans. Neither did Jordan and Egypt when they occupied the West Bank and Gaza.
Dan, you use the term "Historical Palestine" so how far back in history do you want to go? I personally like the period when the "territories" were called Judea and Samaria.
I had never heard of a country called Palestine. There was no such identifiable entity of a group that was only non Jews. Suddenly, when the UN, back then, still a sane institution voted to partition this former Ottaman empire colony into a Jewish and Arab states, whoa, we are Palestinian. There was no call for a Palestinian state during Ottoman rule. There was no call and struggle for Gaza and the West Bank to become a Palestinian state.
So, Dan sure, let's look at history. Where did the name Jerusalem come from?
Hmm, the current President of the Security Council is from Lebanon, aka Iran Sponsored Hezbollah. So a terrorist entity in charge of the organization for security in our world.
We have had Libya and Syria leading the Human Rights Councils and Iran on the UN Women's Rights. We have had numerous resolutions against Israel yet none against the real human rights abusers worldwide.
Actually, they know if they had sex with a Palestinian women not their wife, she'd be "honor" killed. Happens all the time.
Yes, Chaos, you have it all figured out. Amazing that your President and Congress aren't as smart as you, How did that happen?
Yes, that is why we brought all those black Yemenis and Ethiopians to Israel. Regardless if you were referring to Nazis or White racists in the good ole USA, it is still an idiotic statement.
You are an idiot. Israelis are far more racially diverse than Palestinians. You just want to paint us with oft used on MW comparison to Nazis.
Yes, my militant extended family that ended up in Auschwitz, I guess because they were militant colonizers.
Right Chaos, and your family I assume arrived on the Mayflower to a land without people.
Ha, you're complaining about boycotting, when you all support boycotting anything and everything to do with Israel, including books from Israel as was done in Scotland.
"God has a plan for us” #Irvine11"
Why do these people make it a religious issue, I thought it was about justice and rights. This is what you all say to Israel supporters, when you are not cursing at them.
If the court had ruled for them, you would have lauded them for a great decision. If you believe in justice and the justice system, then it works both ways.
"diplomatic gains that the Palestinians achieved in the 1970s"
"vigorous self -defence"
You mean like murdering the Israeli athletes in Munich in 1972?
Attacking Kibbutz baby care centres?
Attacking the arrivals hall at Ben Gurion airport by proxy and spraying passengers with gunfire?
Apr 11, 1974 - PLO terrorists attacked Kiryat Shmona, killing 8 children, 8 adults, and 2 soldiers.
May 15, 1974 - Maalot Massacre: 22 children and several adults were killed (66 children were wounded) by Palestinian terrorists of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Mar 11, 1978 - PLO terrorists seized a bus on the coastal road, killing 35 men, women, and children.
Hey Max, great news. Aliyah to Israel up 20%
link to jpost.com
Oh, this is lovely indeed. How many if you so-called peace activists have embraced Haniyeh or Meshaal of Hamas who have a hell of a lot of civilian blood on their hands.
Max, sounds like you are having a rough day. Go take a break, have a some Osem chicken soup with some Carmel wine, it will relax you.
Right Chaos, so that photo is from the Israel Foreign Ministry, it must be Photoshopped.
Yes, very peaceful
link to ynetnews.com
Actually US support of Saudi Arabia is what makes a mockery of all the values Americans support.
You confirmed my point, Finkelstein?
Example of how you have no clue. Israel has honoured these people as Righteous Among the Nations in Yad Vashem.
link to www1.yadvashem.org
Don't get carried away, these people were a tiny, tiny, minority in Poland. Our history in Poland with Christians is saturated with our blood, as it was in many countries
So Chaos, who ran the camps, Mormons?
All I know is that Poland is Judenrein. Jews who went back to Poland after the war were murdered by Poles and hounded out of the country. Yet Eva preaches to us about human rights.
Isn't it interesting that these comments only appear on anti-Israel sites. Nowhere else on the Net? How is that? For instance, when I google Levi Eshkol, I get a ton of links, including a Time cover article from 1967
Funny, I remember clearly the mobs in Cairo and Damascus screaming "Slaughter the Jews" I don't recall demonstrations in Israel saying "Slaughter the Arabs"
Don’t know what your definition of ‘defense’ is but I guess it includes the slaughter of thousands of civilians in Sinai buried in mass graves, the likely reason for the attack on the nearby USS Liberty
Which civilians are you talking about? Do you have proof of this nonsense?
Yes Eva, unlike Catholic Poland which is almost Judenrein, and now they are building museums about the Jews there, so you Poles can go and feel good that you are commemorating us.
If you weren't so hasty to judge, you would see this response that I posted earlier.
Interesting, but I did a search on each of your listed quotes and not one of them came up in the sources you mentioned. They did however show up as quotes on various anti-Israel websites, but not in the sources listed.
The fact that the Israeli Army planned this scenario for many years makes perfect sense, they would be idiots not to anticipate a war and not to plan on how to win it.
Having said the above. Was the IDF command sure they could win if they struck preemptively? Yes. The IDF had to plan to win, Israel could not afford to lose, especially back then.
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Interesting, but I did a search on each of your listed quotes and not one of them came up in the sources you mentioned. They did however show up on various anti-Israel websites.
The fact that the Israeli Army planned this scenario for many years makes perfect sense, they would be idiots not to anticipate a war and not to plan on how to win it.
Fatwas for killing people are common in the Muslim world Eva, but of course you know that.
Yes, we assumed they Jordanians were shelling Jerusalem, it was probably just a couple of kids playing with firecrackers.
"it includes the slaughter of thousands of civilians in Sinai buried in mass graves, the likely reason for the attack on the nearby USS Liberty."
Yes, it was done by the same people who planned 9/11
Paul, did you live in Israel during the Six Day War? Were you one of the people digging trenches and shelters in Jerusalem anticipating attacks from the surrounding Arab countries who had vowed to eliminate the Jews?
No, you were not, so STFU about the Six Day War. Israel fought a defensive war against annihilation. In Israel's case, given what it faced, it had to launch a pre-emptive strike. That might piss you off, but I would rather have that then allow the Syrian, Egyptian and Jordanian Air Forces to have bombed Israeli cities.
Who does Gurvitz speak for in Israel when he calls for one state? 20 people? 100? His opinions are irrelevant in the scheme of the issues
I see, and news/commentary here is not slanted/biased?
In an article that does have some fairly interesting points, the author veers into some
"-- and what, really, are we translating when the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt are precisely in response to neoliberal dispossession? "
Wow, I don't remember the protesters yelling "Down with Neoliberals" More along the lines of "Down with the typical Arab dictator"
" but suffice it to say that Sinai Bedouin have long struggled to retain some sense of autonomy over their lands in the face of a brutal tourism-industrial complex that has colonized them since Israeli withdrawal in 1979"
What, Egypt is a colonizer of fellow Arabs? But, but, I thought only we Jews do that to Arabs?
Oh, has Abbas been to Gaza and we haven't been informed? I read in my Hasbara newsletter that Hamas and Fatah are really and truly 100% reconciled. Yes, it's true, they've kissed and made up. Abbas should be in Gaza, why, any day now. The towers where Hamas threw Fatah members to their deaths will NOT be part of the comeback tour. It's a sensitive issue, you understand.
Right, so they are all dumb, except for this tiny minority at MW and the like? And you wonder why they don't listen to you?
Alan Dershowitz has successfully defended Claus Von Bulow, Mike Tyson and OJ Simpson in the United States Criminal Court.
Ira, you are a hypocrite.
You guys are always screaming about justice and the integrity of the system. Yet, when someone defends people through the justice system, as odious as they may be, you try to equate their lawyer with them.
BTW, he is perfectly correct in describing the Nakba as self inflicted. I would add with the generous aid of their brothers in arms, Egypt, Syria, Jordan etc.
I feel dirty everytime I engage one of you hasbarists. My God, is there anything more despicable than you characterless liars?
Yes, terrible parasites that we are, I can see why you feel dirty. Nothing a good shower won't help. You do have showers, right?
"Most Americans, if queried, are so misinformed and brainwashed that they would state with certainty that far more Israeli children have died than Palestinian children"
Again this high and mighty leftist arrogance. We know it all, all other Americans are idiots and don't have a clue.
Israel does NOT parade dead children murdered by terrorists and there have been plenty. Palestinians on the other hand do it all the time, even if they have to fabricate it. Of course, attempting rational thinking with someone who says that Israel would sacrifice a school or part of a hospital to make the Palestinians look bad is futile.
Moooser, Shingo, Cliff, Annie Chaos et al.
link to elderofziyon.blogspot.com
Oh dear, will this woman now have evil Zionist thoughts, given that she had an Israeli Jewish heart transplanted?
What a dumb question. You are saying that Jews finally realized that they had to get out of Europe, it was never going to change, and that the objective was their total annihilation and therefore Israel was a key option. No, they should have stayed in Europe and fought the Nazi machine.
You don't agree, but Israel is our homeland, legally and historically.
pretty much ruined the neighborhood where they live.
I like this one the most. Why, the Middle East was like Switzerland before Israel. Wonderful, tolerant, democratic societies, till those nasty Jews came along.
MRW, not that it matters, but I'm 56.
No annie, that's the old Jew, the ghetto Jew, the ones who try desperately to be liked by the non-Jew, who want to "belong" and assimilate and be just like everyone else. They cringe when they see stuff on here about how we Jews cause all the wars, and how we caused 9/11 and own the banks etc etc. But, they say, look, we are not that kind of Jew. We are progressive Jews. Please believe us.
Look, we will even support boycotting Israel. We are the nice Jews. Never mind that they are less than a minuscule part of the Jewish people.
annie, it would be a cold day in hell before I care about being the right kind of Jew for you.
"No one hates you because you’re Jews
Right. Why, because Woody says so. In other words, hatred towards Jews is only and only because of the situation in the Middle East.
Either I as a Jew and Israeli agree with Woody or I should shut up.
Woody, you didn't get the memo. We Jews are no longer all ghetto Jews. We don't walk in the gutter when the non-Jew walks by. We don't; tremble in fear when non-Jews come at us as they have for centuries.
In fact, when people like you attack us, we fight and we fight to kill. I know that pisses you off, it's not fun not having the little Jew boy to kick around any more. Now, though, you can rant away at us just by saying it's Zionism and since you are doing it on a Jews blog, it's all kosher.
Yes, Shingo, a typical blurted out statement from you.
1) Why would Israel not want there to be a well functioning government that manages the affairs of the Palestinians to the total benefit of the Palestinians, which includes peace and security for them and their neighbours?
2) If you can make a statement that Iran has nothing to do with this conflict, then what are your opinions based on, because basic knowledge of the forces involved is beyond you.