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  • Deborah Lipstadt's double standard on white nationalism and Jewish nationalism
    • Phil - "I would argue that Hillary Clinton’s Zionism contributed to her defeat; and that once Jewish nationalism is exposed for its actual accomplishments in Israel and Palestine, Zionists are sure to lose this debate among freedom-loving Americans. "

      Maybe it isn't Zionism specifically, but her toadying to foreign interests to such and extent, on top of the finance business sector. Nor did Democrats or anyone like the idea that rather than she was nominated not so much by people, but designated by the un-elected Democratic party insiders as the nominee.

      The Washington insiders, pundits and all have pushed the idea that we have to defend Israel at practically any cost, but it never rings quite true especially to more nationalist-minded Americans. Trump's ads pushed the same buttons in people that antisemites push, linking Clinton with nefarious global bankers.

  • I'm not worried about anti-Semitism
  • When Sanders changed political reality. And hasbara culture slapped him down.
    • I really think the zionists undermined Obama in 2010 because he wasn't perceived as sufficiently pro-Israel, at that time the democratic party leadership backed away from him instead of getting behind him. The consequence was the democrats lost the house, and then the senate. The democratic party leadership backed Hillary in 2016 in large part because she was so pro-Israel.

      I have no smoking gun for this, other than the current emails.

  • Epic battle looms over accused anti-Semite entering White House, and 'NYT' graywashes the moment
  • Where do we go from here? Our thoughts & yours on the US election
    • The pro-justice for Palestine movement should double down on its anti-racist, anti-antisemitic aspects. They should reach out to low-level Jewish organizations like local synagogues or Jewish centers (not the ADL, Hillel or national groups, which have been captured by Zionists and probably can't be moved) and re-iterate their support in the fight against real anti-semitism. And slip in some real history.

  • 'The era of the Palestinian state is over' -- Israeli right celebrates Trump win
    • I guess all Clinton's pandering to the pro-Israel lobby didn't help her.

      As horrible as she is, I'm sorry she lost, because of all the other issues, like climate change and health-care.

      I don't think Trump is capable of being more than a mouth-piece, but after all, in one of the debates, he presented a slightly more accurate idea of who was fighting who in Syria. Someone must have fed him that, because it's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about in general.

      While the Israeli right-wing may have an affinity for Trump just as the KKK, who knows what direction he'll go?

      In fact, I blame the Israeli lobby a good measure for the Democrat's downfall. I think Obama has always been seen by them as not pro-Israel enough, and because the lobby has such a lock on the party insiders, they didn't get behind him, or let him campaign for them in 2014. The consequence was they lost both houses, and Obama faced yet more obstructionism.

  • 'Atlantic' editor says that Israel's 1948 expulsion of Palestinians was not 'a tragedy'
  • The dark side of Jewish consciousness: manufactured anti-Semitism
    • I agree that "Marcus has shown us once again the face of hatred recycled over and over again by propaganda and the racist agenda of Zionism."

      I'm not sure Berkowitz was suppressing free speech by caving in. And, I don't know that the discussion would have been any better with the two of them together, I doubt Marcus is open to intellectual exchange.

      I think you might want to clarify the paragraph that begins "We who are Anti-Zionist and not anti-Jewish (and/or) Jewish ourselves must resist dangerous attempts to discredit opposition by promoting a “false” anti-Semitism while attempting to blur the reality of unending racist violence against Palestine and Palestinians"

      I think you mean "discredit the pro-Palestinian rights movement" or something like that, as worded it sounds like "We who are Anti-Zionist and not anti-Jewish (and/or) Jewish ourselves must resist dangerous attempts to discredit [the pro-Zionist movement] by promoting a “false” anti-Semitism ..."

  • 'Personally I was glad to see the outpouring of anti-Semitism,' says Jewish journalist targeted by haters
  • Israel supporter refuses to share Bard stage with Dima Khalidi and cites stereotypes about Jews smelling bad
  • ADL throws Netanyahu under the bus to try to make new friends
  • Dozens of Spanish cities declare themselves ‘Free of Israeli Apartheid’
    • @jackdaw "Actually, the Jews are the indigenous people of the area."

      In fact the vast majority of Jewish people who lived in Palestine before the Arabs came "from Arabia" had adopted Christianity in the preceding centuries. In fact, most modern Jews are primarily descended from people who converted to Judaism outside Palestine. Except a tiny minority, Jews aren't indigenous to the area of what's now Israel.

  • Pro-Israel groups close in on anti-BDS victory in California legislature
    • Also, there's the law itself. By singling out bans on discriminating against persons of Jewish faith, it itself discriminates against persons of non-Jewish faith.

    • It would seem that paragraph k:

      (k) It is the intent of the Legislature to ensure that taxpayer funds are not used to do business with or support discriminatory actions against any individuals.

      Would allow a host of suits to ban taxpayer funds used with Israeli government entities or companies that do support discriminatory action against individuals of Arab or Palestinian heritage. For example, the police visits to Hebron.

  • Sam Harris and the politics of 'good intentions'
    • "This is a strange post. Sam Harris is a credentialed propagandistic jerk who earns his living as an apologist for imperial interventions. Shaukat Ansari should easily be able to shred Harris’s pilpul without dragging in Noam Chomsky, which only serves to provide the illusion of gravitas to Harris’ agitprop."

      Indeed he does earn his living that way, and also by spreading Islamophobia. However, he has an adoring fan base, who will never realize Harris's pilpul has been shredded.

  • Ozick says Obama needs 6-volume history of Jews on his bedside table
    • I think it's fake, drummed up concern for anti-semitism. I can't remember a time when criticism of Israel hasn't been called anti-semitic. Or there wasn't a lot of racism against Arabs by supporters of Israel.

  • Elie Wiesel is Dead
    • I'm really sorry Wiesel will be getting so many wonderful obits that don't mention his retched attitude towards Palestinians. I really appreciate this one.

    • "Paradigm shift is the phrase that comes to mind. Ben Gurion posed the question, 'Does zionism need peace in order to be a success?' His answer was, no. "

      Highly appropriate answer. Zionism needs war to be a success. Obviously, accompanied by mass murder and terror.

      With respect to Mark Ellis's post, I only quibble with the following:

      "Through Wiesel, Christians became heavily involved in the meaning of Holocaust suffering and support for the state of Israel without regard for the plight of Palestinians. Christians averted their eyes. Christians became corrupted through support of Jewish power against others."

      I don't know about Wiesel being the primary conduit for Christian involvement in the meaning of Holocaust suffering or support for Israel, or corruption (I suppose a conduit). My introduction to the Holocaust was Anne Frank's diary, and I suspect Christians were corrupted anyway.

  • 'My country right or wrong' -- indoctrination in defense of Israel
  • Saying Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state is not anti-Semitic
    • Technically speaking, the majority of Gaza's population is the byproduct of land theft and ethnic cleansing - that is by Zionists who expelled much of the population of southern Israel into Gaza. The same goes for Jordan - majority ethnically cleansed Palestinians.

  • Harvard biotechnology conference whitewashes Israeli occupation
    • The idea of studying genetics in order to determine who has certain political privileges and who doesn't, as in the "kinship" talk, seems racist to the core. Forgive me for bringing in the nazi reference, but it seems exactly what the nazis would have loved to do to achieve racial purity.

  • Advice to British leftwingers on kicking racism out of their anti-Israel rhetoric
  • Shocker: 'NYT' forum on anti-Zionism tilts toward equating Zionism with racism
    • @David Doppler,

      Were all the people who form the indigenous population of what's now Israel to live there, it would not be a state with predominately Jewish people. Any ideology which seeks to exclude the native people of its land from life in in that land and participation in its government is by nature racist. There might be some minute form of Zionism that supports the right of return for exiled Palestinians. You are arguing Zionism isn't racist because only 99.99999% of Zionism is a form of racism?

      And why do you think that a state which denies its indigenous population the right to live there has any "right to exist?"

  • Finding 1 'Arab' in Israeli basketball, NY Times espouses Zionist racial theory
    • Well, at least they didn't (judging by the quotes) trot him out as an example of Israel's wonderful ethnic diversity and lack of state-sponsored racism. Although he does seem to be somewhat characterized as a "good Arab", one who doesn't care about politics.

  • Young liberal Zionists, it's time to let go and move on
    • Thank you, Robert Cohen

      Yes, I can sympathize with your hurt at seeing the Star of David used in such a way. I myself am guilty of giving up when talking to zionists and calling their stance B.S. It's not that I think zionists are evil, more that they're in the main deluded. But I also see this twisting of facts and meaning that you note, some (if not all) of it deliberate manipulation by zionist propagandists, so I don't entirely blame all zionist Jews for being deluded.

  • Zionism is finally in the news, as officials seek to conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism
    • If a central part of any religion includes supporting mass murder and acquisition at gunpoint of the property of any other people, I guess I can say I'm centrally against that religion, and if the people of that religion who practice mass murder and acquisition at gunpoint of the property of any other people, I'm against those people.

      Well, anyone can say God told them something belongs to them and then take it. Like, say, that bank over there or some jewelry in a local department store. Does it give them a right to practice their religious beliefs?

      Whether or not acquisition of Palestine is a Jewish religious belief, it gave the zionists no right to acquire it by means of mass murder or force of arms.

    • "On a more practical level, opposing Zionism really does mean opposing an awful lot of Jews “as Jews” — in the sense of opposing a core element of their individual and collective Jewish identities. Not hard to see why that would be perceived by so many (Jews and non-Jews) as anti-Semitism."

      For a lot of white people, it may be that support of Aryan nationalism is a core element of the individual and collective white identity. Does that make being anti-Aryan nationalism the same as being anti-white person?

  • Most Jews want to expel Palestinians -- Pew's ugly portrait of Israel
  • Why I support a one state solution and still consider myself a Zionist
    • I am willing to forgive some Zionists who went to Palestine in the past because of misguided ideas about the Zionist project, or especially as refugees, but who now ascribe to equal rights in particular the right of return and compensation for Palestinian refugees and their descendants. It's not clear Becca believes in that right, it's possible she still believes in exclusivity for Jews. And I'm not Palestinian, I really have nothing to forgive anyway.

      That being said, "self-determination" is a right in particular of indigenous peoples to be free of colonizers and colonizing authorities, and to rule themselves. In this case, Zionist Jews are the colonizers and colonizing authorities, they aren't the indigenous people of Israel/Palestine, they have no right to form their own governmental structures there in the absence of freely given permission by the majority of it people which would include all exiled Palestinians and their descendants.

      As with the usual Zionist Orwellian perversion of language, "Jewish self-determination" is in fact, nothing more than the Zionist claim that Jews have some right to colonize and ethnically cleanse to create a Jewish state where they aren't the native people.

  • Jews aren't special
    • No, that's not what Ofir said. He said the anti-semitism by non-Jews and Judeo-supremacism by Jews arise from the same element [of human culture, I guess]. He did not say either causes the other.

      I don't expect logic from Zionists, of course. I do expect Orwellian twists of language and perversion of what people say to serve Zionist propaganda. No disappointment here.

    • I'm not sure what my tribe is, but I don't love it above all others.

  • Tackling Islamophobia means challenging Trump, and your neighbors
    • We also need to tackle popular culture - i.e., t.v. and movies. Video games and novels too. Action-oriented ones tend to be full of stereotypes. I think I might start there.

  • The Mukhtar's sworn testimony - more on the 1948 Dawaymeh Massacre
  • Video: Sanders's campaign fact-checks Clinton's 'smear' defense with Elizabeth Warren charges
    • Hamas probably has some organizational support in Lebanon, just as they did in Syria. At the start of the Syrian uprising, I believe they sided with the other Sunni Islamic groups joining the uprising, against Assad in other words. As such, Hamas is probably more anti-Hezbollah and anti-Iran.

  • Jewish Voice for Peace and Jews Say No! take credit for faux 'NYT' highlighting biased coverage on Israel/Palestine
    • I don't detect any "balance" in the NY times report. It's full of excuses for the condemned murderers and examples of Palestinian violence. Like noting rockets from Gaza without noting the preceding numerous and virtually continuous attacks on Gaza by Israel. And also presents Israelis as virtuously condemning the murders, even as Israelis support and protect other Israeli murderers of Palestinians who entirely escape condemnation since their attacks are less gruesome.

    • Apt name though. Reminiscent of IDF snipers targeting Palestinian protesters or children.

      WZO and the like are sadly giving anti-semitism a good name.

  • Biggest loser in Iowa was foreign policy
    • "... Sandar's lack of a moral conscience ..."

      I regard it not so much as lack of a moral conscience, as utter delusion, which, as Phil says, is generational. Israel was the liberal cause of his generation. In the 1950s and 60s, the facts of the case were pretty well suppressed.

  • A Response to Ben Norton on silence over war in Yemen
    • Amnesty & the like have organized demonstrations at the Saudi embassy - about Raif Badawi I think

      To be sure I signed the petition they were circulating. It didn't seem that they circulated one about the Palestinian blogger condemned to death but they have notes about some others. It seems to be a different group than the Palestine activists. And of note, when the Syrians first started demonstrating against Assad, I was all keen to join on the side of rights and freedom, and even went to a couple of meetings, invited by Syrian Americans who were also part of the Palestinian freedom movement.

      However, at this point, there is no side to join in Syria, Assad is bad but ISIS seems worse. I don't take any side at this point, none of these groups are defenders of human rights and they're both destroying the country.

      I think there's a couple of issues with respect to Yemen here:
      1. The Saudi atrocities have been going on for maybe 2 years (?). The Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians have been going on for 68 years. It takes time to build a movement.
      2. Primary builders of movements in the past tended to be communist/socialist/"worker party" or maybe liberation theology people. No party in Yemen that I'm aware of fits that, so there's not much for these groups to connect with there. Palestine had a significant leftist group to connect with. The civil war in Syria really did split the leftists, because while it's clear (to me) Assad was a horrible dictator (hence most of the Syrian-Americans, supporters of the free Palestine movement that I'm acquainted with, favored his overthrow), other leftists were highly suspicious when the U.S. came out in favor of his overthrow and, suspicious of U.S. and Israeli meddling (probably rightly so) tended to support Assad.
      3. For El Salvador, there was a big contingent of refugees with access to local groups in the U.S., to talk about what's going on to the leftist groups. Similarly for Palestine and even Syria. I haven't noticed such a group from Yemen.
      4. Lets not forget the relative prominence of Israel in the media, compared to horrible atrocities in other places. 1000 innocent civilians targeted and killed in Yemen probably get less media play than one innocent Israeli civilian. So it isn't just leftists, and don't forget that leftists, like everyone else, cannot help being influenced by relative quantity of news.

      That being said, local leftists really are concerned, I think, but it takes more the form of organizing talks and giving to charity, rather than demonstrating or emailing senators

  • Roger Cohen and Jeremy Ben-Ami go on the road for the two-state solution
    • Shamir and his terrorist organization attempted an alliance with the Nazis. All the google sites that make the claim that the Palestinians sided with the Nazis are Zionist sites. 100%. Pretty much the only site I found which claims Palestinians agree that the Palestinians sided with the Nazis is this one: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175316. I can't translate what the person said, I doubt he speaks for Palestinians if he made such a statement.

      The French, The Romanians and people in a lot of other countries supported the Nazis a lot more than the The Palestinians. It's just propaganda.

    • The "Maps Initiative" states that The Palestinians sided with the Nazis in WWII. I believe that is 99.9% false. It also says Palestinians agree with that statement.

  • NYT's Rudoren says Mondoweiss critique of her recent article is 'nuts'
    • In the interview, Rodoren mentioned attacks by Palestinians on Israelis numerous times, but attacks by Jews on Palestinians once that I counted. Despite that Israeli attacks on Palestinians are far more common and lethal.

      The whole occupation of the West Bank is an attack by Israelis on Palestinians

  • 'NYT' and 'Newsweek' need to fact-check their propagandists
    • The Newsweek comment section is horrible, with people on both sides making genocidal statements.

    • "For the last few weeks, Palestinian terrorists have slashed, stoned, shot and rammed to death scores of innocent Jews on the streets of Israel."

      Maybe a score if you count "attempts" to stone or slash. "To death" might be taken as a dangling modifier. However, virtually none of this occurred on the streets of Israel, and most weren't innocent Jews, but ones guilty of directly aiding and abetting their government's illegal settlement enterprise, i.e., settlers. Maybe 2 victims were in Israel.

  • Video: 'One Word' ad campaign banned by Boston Metro -- again
    • Yes, one of the hecklers told Colbath-Hess that Palestinians should stop teaching hate. As if stating that "real Palestinian girls" would be wearing suicide vests isn't teaching hate.

  • Today's a day to grieve for Paris, not score political points
    • Let see, a lot of people on Mondoweiss make the [political] point that Israel should stop killing innocent people in its efforts to grab land and deprive Palestinians of human rights.

      Herchel's political point, he objects to the "savagery" people use defending their land or rights? He supports attacking innocent people in order to grab their land and force them off it?

      In it's politics, ISIS is much more like Israel, in that ISIS is also forcing people of religions it doesn't like from land they take over. If you look only at the tactics used by Palestinians and ISIS and the labels attached to them then you might see a similarity, just as France uses bombs from fighter jets, a similar tactic to Israel's. I think France should probably stay out of Syria, I have little trust in their motives, even if I have less trust in those of ISIS. Israel's fighter jets target and kill far more innocent people than the terrorists in France.

  • The US spends $35 billion on foreign aid . . . but where does the money really go?
    • Well, I have a theory - democrats have been losing in big part because when the pres was under fire they didn't stand behind him. Remember 1 or 2 election cycles ago when Obama was called "unpopular" and therefore didn't campaign? He's hated in Israel especially by the Netanyahoo crowd. So, pro-Israel democrats shunned him, and he got the "unpopular" label. He therefore didn't go out and campaign for any democrats, and whether or not he was as unpopular as polls suggested, he is capable of getting supporters out to vote. Result, democrats lost big time. What I'm saying is, the democratic party kind of destroyed itself in good part over Israel.

  • 'Why I am a Zionist'
    • And there's those wiccans, whose ancient homeland in Wales and Britain is now inhabited mostly by Christians. Certainly, wiccans have historically been far more oppressed, than Jews, and there is no Wiccan state, so they certainly deserve one. We should all help them invade Wales and Britain, terrorize and massacre and evict the non-Wiccans and establish a Wiccan state.

    • Well, in 1968 I was pretty much a Zionist, if I thought about it at all. I completely changed when I learned the facts of the case.

  • Video: Two prominent Israelis envision replacing Dome of the Rock with Jewish temple
    • The whole of Jerusalem was ruled by Christians prior to the Muslim rule. It was not Jewish.

      It doesn't matter whether Jews ruled the rock before the Christians, the vast majority of those Jews had by then converted to Christianity. Granted, the Byzantinian Christians practiced forced conversion as had previous Jewish rulers - unlike the Roman (pagan) and Greek rulers however oppressive they may have been, besides which, most Jews had already voluntarily adopted Christianity. The conversion of the people to Islam followed the Muslim conquest, slowly - the Muslims mostly didn't practice forced conversion especially in that area. Jerusalem and surrounding towns remained largely Christian for centuries following the first Muslim conquest.

      Yeah, I know, Zionists will make the argument that because some Jews unrelated to them owned a certain piece of real estate 2000 years ago, the real estate doesn't belong to the descendants of those people who have been living in or praying on that real estate since, but instead, to themselves, because they like it so much they worship it.

  • Fact Check: MSNBC’s Palestinian loss of land map
    • I doubt that the whole of the Golan Heights was Jewish-owned prior to 1948 as well. I mean, there are (or were) major Arab towns and 100+ villages there, ethnically cleansed in 1967.

  • State Dep't slams Netanyahu's Hitler story as 'inflammatory' and against 'scholarly evidence'
    • The FORMER, BRITISH, ZIONIST, JEWISH APPOINTED Mufti. He was appointed by Herbert Samuel, a Zionist Jew, British High Commissioner for Palestine.

  • Goldberg says the root of the conflict is the Palestinians' anti-Jewish 'narrative'
    • "the jews" wrote a lot of books you can by on amazon, that doesn't make them indigenous to Palestine/Israel.

      Much, probably most of the bible wasn't written by Jews, it's a collection of mythology borrowed from pre-existing religious groups. Yaweh, for example, was just one of the gods in the Canaanite pantheon.

  • Hillel Int'l champions animal rights activist to cover for its censorship of human rights
    • Isn't the Israeli army the one that at least twice destroyed zoos in Gaza, by bulldozing the animals alive in their cages? And there she is, touting veganism in the Israeli army

  • Jerusalem at a breaking point
    • I'm sorry you've been ethnically cleansed.

    • "Jewish state" says it all. Israel bans most of its native people from living there because they aren't Jewish. Others aren't allowed the right to life and may be murdered at will, simply because they aren't Jewish. You have a rather twisted idea of freedom and equality, when you support banning people from their own homes and land and taking their property because it's a "Jewish state".

      On top of that, the Temple Mount isn't even in Israel.

  • Roundtable on the Palestinian solidarity movement and Alison Weir
    • I honestly think Allison Weir has some latent or subconscious anti-semitism that she doesn't recognize, but consciously attempts to eschew by being fair. It perhaps manifests in a proclivity towards investigation of sordid deeds by Jews. But then her dedication to fairness takes over. Of course I don't know what's in her real heart.

      Yes, the article on organ harvesting veered off to alleged medieval Jewish practices when it could equally well have veered off towards organ harvesting world-wide. The latent anti-semitism at work? On the other hand, suppression of any investigation into sordid deeds by Jews, the suppression of news showing Israel in a bad light, is also a primary focus of Allison Weir's work. Well, anti-semites and pro-Palestinian justice people have some overlapping beliefs there, it's just that the anti-semites keep focusing on things that have been debunked, conspiracies, Jews causing all the world's problems, and so forth.

      Appearing on the racist radio show is troubling, as is any defense she made of the talk show host. I don't know if that defense was taken out of context, and I don't if she was thinking something around those thoughts that didn't make it out. The list of charges on the USC site is long, but largely against the radio host.

      I do find the JVP claim to be working in the "The Jewish tradition of justice" a little off-putting. I'm not versed in Jewish law, history or traditional practices, but, I mean, the U.S. also has a tradition of justice: just read the bill of rights. And also a history of slavery, Guatanamo, racism, wars and genocide. Of which there are also plenty of in the old testament, which I think is also part of the Jewish tradition.

      For the record, I've given both JVP and the USC donations, and will continue to do so. I think Allison Weir should do some honest self-criticism and self-awareness (and apologies), and maybe JVP some soul-searching.

    • I don't think Phil & co are anti-gentile whatsoever. JVP maybe a little.

  • It's not bigoted to call out the Israel lobby over Iran Deal
    • The accusations are no surprise either, since zionists have been accusing anyone faintly critical of Israel or the Israel lobby of being anti-semitic for as long as I can remember.

      The deal doesn't actually harm Israel, and is surely better for Israel than a war which would weaken the U.S. as much or more than the Iraq war. Those who oppose the deal because they're loyal to Israel aren't really doing Israel any favors. Speaking from my realist point of view. I might like to see Israel dragged down to where it will actually agree to equal rights for Palestinians (including the right of return) but I don't wish the U.S. to be dragged down with it.

  • Did the BBC cover up the anti-Semitism of Gaza's children?
    • It would be more precise for the children to say "A group of Jews known as Zionists who claim to represent all Jews everywhere are massacring us," however that would be a huge mouthful for any child.

      "The Jews are massacring us" is an accurate statement, if imprecise. It was "The Jews" who were doing the massacring.

      Why does the JC think that the massacre of 500+ children, by Jews, less important than the resulting attitudes among those who survived?

      By translating al-Yahood as Israelis, it seems more that the BBC is covering up evils done by Jews than covering up anti-semitism. However, I'm perfectly fine with their translation, it wasn't all Jews everywhere that did the massacre and it doesn't mean Jews everywhere are evil people.

      Cohen falls into that trap rather easily, making a bigger deal of anti-semitism than massacres of people.

  • The Iran deal: a triumph of irrationality
    • So who are those "Citizens for nuclear free Iran" who seem to have enough money to run ads during prime-time TV against the nuclear arms deal? Just curious. Those prime-time spots are usually used for car ads and the like.

  • How long will I have to convince liberals that Palestinians matter?
  • The 'Forward''s apprehension about sending a reporter to Gaza -- a further response
    • Daniel Pearl was investigating some criminal people, who murdered him. Whatever their stated reasons, it's more likely they killed him to prevent exposure of their criminal activity.

      Journalists in Gaza investigate criminal people, who all too often murder them. In Gaza, those criminals would be the IDF who murder more journalists than anyone. Whatever their stated reasons, it's more likely they kill journalists because of their ethnic background as well as to suppress exposure of their criminal activity.

  • Munayyer and Beinart's historic debate on the solution to the conflict
    • 3. In the much much larger scale of things the liberal parts of Israel desperately need greater number of Palestinians as allies in their very midst, to tacitly propel their quest for a more tolerant and progressive and less religious Israel.

      The only thing liberal Zionists have ever done with Palestinians is point at the members of knesset and say what a liberal state Israel is.

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