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Jack Green

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  • Why Ahed Tamimi's slap is so thrilling to Palestinians
  • Jewish activist who counseled Lorde on BDS gets the full 'kapo' treatment in the Israeli press
    • Annie Robbins

      In the United States, life expectancy at age 55 (average number of additional years lived beyond 55) for Jews is 27.7. This is two to seven years longer than any other large religious group in the United States.

    • Marnie

      Is all nationalism a cancer?

    • Mooser

      " I could do a better job at it."

      Prove it!

    • Mooser

      "nonsense about Hadassah?"

    • JWalters

      What "inherent vileness?"

      Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.

    • eljay

      Arab women in Israel live longer than Arab women in any Arab country.
      Arab babies in Israel have lower infant mortality than Arab babies in any Arab country.

      Hadassah University Medical Center in Israel established a registry for Arab donors of bone marrow and stem cells to facilitate life-saving transplants. The registry at Hadassah Hospital is the only one in the world for Arabs and will no doubt save the lives not only of Arab Israelis but also of some citizens of Arab countries, not a single one of which has a registry of its own.

    • Annie Robbins

      Evidence that Israel is apartheid?

  • Why liberal Zionists have nothing to say about Ahed Tamimi's slap and arrest
    • Talkback

      “Keeping Nonjews expelled to maintain a regime dominated by Jews.”

      Israel is keeping non-Jews expelled because they are a threat. Please check my comment Jack Green
      January 3, 2018, 8:22 pm.

      Jack Green: “The US has bases in Germany & Japan. Does that mean that we still occupy Germany & Japan?”
      If the bases are there without the concent of Germany or Japan: Yes.
      Signing a peace treaty is giving consent to what it says in the treaty.

      Jack Green: “Evidence that settlements are illegal under international law?”
      Security Council Resolutions are not international law. Please provide a quote from the Geneva Conventions where it says that settlements are illegal.

      Jack Green: “Israel does NOT have to withdraw from all territories it occupied in 1967.”

      WRONG:
      1.) Lord Caradon, author of resolution 242 said:

      “We could have said: well, you go back to the 1967 line. But I know the 1967 line, and it’s a rotten line. You couldn’t have a worse line for a permanent international boundary. It’s where the troops happened to be on a certain night in 1948. It’s got no relation to the needs of the situation.

      Had we said that you must go back to the 1967 line, which would have resulted if we had specified a retreat from all the occupied territories, we would have been wrong.
      In New York, what did we know about Tayyibe and Qalqilya? If we had attempted in New York to draw a new line, we would have been rather vague. So what we stated was the PRINCIPLE that you couldn’t hold territory because you conquered it, THEREFORE THERE MUST BE A WITHDRAWAL TO - LET'S READ THE WORDS CAREFULLY - 'SECURE AND RECOGNIZED BOUNDARIES.”

      “242 only says: “guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;” and not “through all” waterways in the area”.

      Similarly, resolution 242 talks about “withdrawal from territories” and not “withdrawal from all territories.”

      Israel’s acceptance of the 1956 war armistice was not based on resolution 242. It was based on the US promise to keep the Straits open.

    • YoniFalic

      How do you know that you and I and Mooser have no connection to Palestine?

      When, how and how much land did your grandfather steal? What did he do to the owners? How did he know if they were actually the owners rather than renters?

      How many people did your grandfather murder? In what year did he commit his first murder?

      Did you grandfather try to justify his crimes?

      Why did you convince your sister to leave Israel?

    • Talkback

      In addition to closing the Straits, there were the threats. Please check my post on
      January 3, 2018, 7:51 pm.

    • Talkback

      The US has bases in Germany & Japan. Does that mean that we still occupy Germany & Japan?

      Evidence that settlements are illegal under international law?

      Israel does NOT have to withdraw from all territories it occupied in 1967. The USSR tried to put the word “all” in resolution 242, but it was rejected.

      According to UN Resolution 181 (partition), after 10 years, there was to be a referendum in Jerusalem. Because the majority were Jews, Jerusalem would have become part of Israel.
      Therefore, it makes no sense to consider any part of Jerusalem as occupied territory.

      "All refugees have a right to return according to the Universal Declaration of Human rights."
      All people have the right to life. The return of the refugees would put Israeli lives in danger.

      The borders recommended by the partition plan were not binding.

    • Talkback

      Palestinians have been oppressing Jews for centuries.

      In 1839, the British consul, William Young, said that the poor Jew in Jerusalem...lives from day to day in terror of his life....Young attributed the plight of the Jew in Jerusalem to “the blind hatred and ignorant prejudice of a fanatical populace,”

      JEWS IN JERUSALEM.
      New York Times December 29, 1878
      Crowded together in the worst lodgings, or in the dark cellars under a synagogue building, without food, fuel, or water –even water at Jerusalem being a commodity of price – numbers died of starvation and various diseases, while others went raving mad. Those who could labor were denied employment by the bigotry of the Mussulmans and of the Oriental Christians.

      Notice the date. This was before the first Zionists arrived in Palestine. Notice the word bigotry.

      Jews had lived for centuries in Hebron & Gaza until they were ethnically cleansed from those areas in 1929.
      During the week of riots from 23 to 29 August, 133 Jews were killed by Arabs and 339 others were injured,
      and now Palestinians oppress Israelis

      Running over Israelis is oppression.
      Stabbing Israelis is oppression.
      Shooting Israelis is oppression.
      Firing rockets at Israelis is oppression.
      Blowing up Israelis is oppression.
      Throwing rocks at Israelis is oppression.

    • echinococcus

      1956 war

      "During the six years during which this belligerency has operated in violation of the Armistice Agreement there have occurred 1,843 cases of armed robbery and theft, 1,339 cases of armed clashes with Egyptian armed forces, 435 cases of incursion from Egyptian controlled territory, [and] 172 cases of sabotage perpetrated by Egyptian military units and fedayeen in Israel. As a result of these actions of Egyptian hostility within Israel, 364 Israelis were wounded and 101 killed. In 1956 alone, as a result of this aspect of Egyptian aggression, 28 Israelis were killed and 127 wounded.5"

    • Talkback

      "One reason Israel did give in to Eisenhower was the assurance he gave to Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion. Before evacuating Sharm al-Sheikh, the strategic point guarding the Straits of Tiran, Israel elicited a promise that the United States would maintain the freedom of navigation in the waterway.7"

      Bard, Mitchell. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict (Kindle Locations 987-990). AICE. Kindle Edition.

    • Talkback

      The right to life is more important than the right of return.
      Allowing the return of the people who were oppressing Jews & murdering Jews would put Israelis in jeopardy.

      In the Arab world, the refugees were viewed as a potential fifth-column within Israel. As one Lebanese paper wrote: The return of the refugees should create a large Arab majority that would serve as the most effective means of reviving the Arab character of Palestine, while forming a powerful fifth-column for the day of revenge and reckoning.

      The Arabs believed the return of the refugees would virtually guarantee the destruction of Israel, a sentiment expressed by Egyptian foreign minister Muhammad Salah al-Din: It is well-known and understood that the Arabs, in demanding the return of the refugees to Palestine, mean their return as masters of the Homeland and not as slaves. With a greater clarity, they mean the liquidation of the State of Israel.

      In 1957, the Refugee Conference at Homs, Syria, passed a resolution stating: Any discussion aimed at a solution of the Palestine problem which will not be based on ensuring the refugees’ right to annihilate Israel will be regarded as a desecration of the Arab people and an act of treason.

    • Talkback

      Israel accepted the armistice for the 1956 war because it was promised that the Straits would remain open. By closing the Straits, Egypt broke the cease fire. So the Six Day War was not a new war. It was just a continuation of the 1956 war.

      Also, most Israelis thought that Egypt was going to attack because of statements like:

      "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight . . . The mining of Sharm el Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." – Nasser, May 27, 1967

      "We will not accept any ... coexistence with Israel. ... Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel .... The war with Israel is in effect since 1948." – Nasser, May 28, 1967

      "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel . . . . to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations." – Nasser, May, 30, 1967 after signing a defense pact with Jordan's King Hussein "

      "We are now ready to confront Israel .... The issue now at hand is not the Gulf of Aqaba, the Straits of Tiran, or the withdrawal of UNEF, but the ... aggression which took place in Palestine ... with the collaboration of Britain and the United States." – Nasser, June 2, 1967

      Notice that Nasser is saying that the war will be a continuation of the 1948 war.

    • Talkback

      Egypt started the war by closing the Straits of Tiran.
      The UK is a member of NATO yet not one NATO country sent troops to help the UK during the Falkland Islands war.
      Both Israel & the UN asked Jordan not to attack.
      Egypt claimed that it had destroyed Israel's air force so it looked like Egypt didn't need any help.
      Also, Jordan shelled Israeli residential area (a war crime) & Israel did not respond so Jordan could have left it like that & felt that it had fulfilled its obligation. It was only after Jordan bombed Israeli residential areas (a war crime) that Israel responded.

      The occupation is temporary. As soon as the Palestinians sign a peace treaty, the occupation is over.

      Evidence that the settlements are illegal?

    • Talkback

      If the Israeli soldier who shot her relative in the head was not acting in self-defense, then that soldier should definitely be arrested.

    • Talkback

      Resisting an occupation is NOT self-defense when you are the aggressor. The occupation is self-defense. If not for the occupation, Palestinians would be firing rockets from the West Bank just as they fired rockets from Gaza after Israel withdrew from Gaza.

    • Paranam Kid

      If "Zionism is the political ideology that aims to create a country run by & for the exclusive benefit of the Jews, to the exclsuion of all other ethnic groups, notably the Palestinian Arabs," why are Arab Israelis better off than Arabs in any Arab country?

    • Talkback

      Please explain "Israel can’t offer anything to the Palestinians which isn’t allready their right under international and human rights."

    • Talkback

      Evidence of apartheid?

    • Talkback

      Are you opposed to America's Affirmative Action program?

    • The occupation is legal because Israel was attacked.

    • Talkback

      What do you mean by

      "all of its offers are only a modification of the occupation?"

    • Annie Robbins

      Bill Clinton: “I Killed Myself to Give the Palestinians a State,” but They Rejected It."

    • eljay

      The soldiers are there to prevent Palestinians from firing rockets at Israelis. There would not be an occupation if the Palestinians/Jordanians (Remember that the West Bank Palestinians asked for & were granted union with Jordan.) had not attacked Israel.

    • Annie Robbins

      The video doesn't work.

    • echinococcus

      Please provide quotes from the Geneva Convention & the UN charter saying that the girl had the right to murder the soldier.

    • Annie Robbins

      Please provide a link for that video.

    • Maghlawatan

      Israel is a success.
      Israelis are the 11th happiest people on earth.
      There are ZERO Jewish refugees thanks to Israel.
      Israel was ranked 29 out of 167 on The Economist’s Democracy Index.

    • Annie Robbins

      The Democracy Index is rating Israel. The West Bank is not Israel.

    • The Palestinian Authority is taking foreign aid (Per capita, Palestinians are among the top recipients.) ) & paying people to murder Jews. The more Jews they murder, the more money they get. This is racism. This is genocide.

      Shame on the Palestinian Authority!

    • The soldier was there to protect his people If he were not there, Palestinians would be firing rockets from the West Bank.

    • Of course she should have been arrested. She hit someone.
      Violence is wrong except in self-defense.

    • Israel was ranked 29 out of 167 on The Economist's Democracy Index.
      That's better than Belgium, Greece, Cyprus & at least a dozen other European countries.

    • Every time Israel offers to end the occupation, the Palestinians say “No!”
      Even Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia (certainly not a Zionist) said that Arafat’s refusal to accept the January 2001 offer was a crime. Thousands of people would die because of Arafat’s decision & not one of those deaths could be justified.

      As Clinton later wrote in his memoir:
      It was historic: an Israeli government had said that to get peace, there would be a Palestinian state in roughly 97 percent of the West Bank, counting the [land] swap, and all of Gaza, where Israel also had settlements. The ball was in Arafat’s court.
      But Arafat would not, or could not, bring an end to the conflict. “I still didn’t believe Arafat would make such a colossal mistake,” Clinton wrote. “The deal was so good I couldn’t believe anyone would be foolish enough to let it go.” But the moment slipped away. “Arafat never said no; he just couldn’t bring himself to say yes.”

  • New Israeli train line with station named after Trump was built on stolen Palestinian land
    • What percent of Palestine was owned by Palestinians & what percent of Palestinians owned land when the first Zionists arrived in 1882?

  • Israel has transferred Ahed Tamimi to three different detention facilities in the last five days even though she has not yet been charged with a crime
  • Israel passes 'anti-infiltration law' to speed up the deportation of African refugees
    • There are 65.3 million refugees. None are Jews because Israel takes in all Jewish refugees.
      Before complaining that Israel doesn’t take in enough gentile refugees, let the majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries take in Christian & Muslim refugees. Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees.

      Furthermore, let’s remember why Israel was created. Israel was created to be a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for their Jewish citizens. If Israel takes in too many gentiles, it will no longer be majority-Jewish. Unfortunately, there still is a need for a majority-Jewish country because Jews are still targeted for being Jews.

  • 'My aim is not to resolve the conflict' -- former top Israeli negotiator
    • Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.

    • The UN is prejudiced against Israel.

      For example, the UN criticized only one country for its treatment of women. It was not Saudi Arabia where women are not allowed to drive. It was not Egypt or Iraq or Yemen where girls suffer from female genital mutilation. It was not Palestine or Jordan or Iran where women are subjected to honor killings. It was Israel – a country that has had a female prime minister & female fighter pilots.

      The 10 worst countries for human rights are: Syria, Sudan, DR Congo, Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar, Yemen & Nigeria. So why are there more UN Resolutions against Israel than against the 10 worst countries combined?

      There is no boycott of China even though China invaded Tibet & transferred millions of Chinese settlers into Tibet.
      There is no boycott of Turkey even though Turkey occupies part of Cyprus and Turkish settlers have moved into occupied Cyprus.
      There is no boycott of Morocco which occupies part of Western Sahara.
      Unlike China, Turkey and Morocco, the Israel's occupation began because Israel was attacked. Also, unlike China, Turkey and Morocco, Israel offered to end the occupation if Palestinians would sign a peace treaty.

  • Palestinian officials say, Trump 'destroyed' the two-state solution
    • Today's Palestinians are immigrants from many nations: "Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudaneese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, Tartars, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Bulgarians, Georgians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians, Copts, Maronites, and many others."

      (DeHass, History, p. 258. John of Wurzburg list from Reinhold Rohricht edition, pp. 41, 69).

    • According to UN Resolution 181 (partition), after 10 years, there was to be a referendum in Jerusalem. Because the majority were Jews, Jerusalem would have become part of Israel.

      Therefore, it makes no sense to consider any part of Jerusalem as occupied territory.

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    • Zionism doesn't require an exclusively Jewish city.

  • Israel's top diplomat spouts anti-Semitic criticism of American Jews -- 'having quite convenient lives'
    • Kaisa of Finland

      So agree that Jews who were ethnically cleansed from the West Bank, Gaza & East Jerusalem & have moved back to the West Bank, Gaza & East Jerusalem are NOT illegal?

    • Kaisa of Finland

      I favor an independent Palestine. You favor the destruction of Israel.
      Who's the one not willing to compromise?

    • Keith

      I was responding to people who blame the settlers & the occupation for the lack of peace.
      In 1967, when there was no occupation & there were no settlers, I didn't hear Arab leaders calling for peace.

    • Keith

      I didn't say that majority-gentile countries refused entry only to Jews.

      Hitler wanted the Jews out of Europe. If Israel had existed, all six million could have gone to Israel.

    • amigo

      Israel had already expanded its de facto borders by going into areas that had been assigned to the Arabs in order to protect the Jews who had been living in those areas & were now under attack.

    • Kaisa of Finland

      I don't excuse oppressing and violent actions.

    • Kaisa of Finland

      In 1967 when there were no settlers in the WB or East Jerusalem, this is what Arab leaders said:

      "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight . . . The mining of Sharm el Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." – Nasser, May 27, 1967

      "We will not accept any ... coexistence with Israel. ... Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel .... The war with Israel is in effect since 1948." – Nasser, May 28, 1967

      "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel . . . . to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations." – Nasser, May, 30, 1967 after signing a defense pact with Jordan's King Hussein

      "We are now ready to confront Israel .... The issue now at hand is not the Gulf of Aqaba, the Straits of Tiran, or the withdrawal of UNEF, but the ... aggression which took place in Palestine ... with the collaboration of Britain and the United States." – Nasser, June 2, 1967

    • ErsatzYisrael

      Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.

    • Kaisa of Finland

      Jews lived for centuries in Hebron & Gaza. In 1929, Hebron & Gaza were ethnically cleansed of their Jews. In 1948, the West Bank & East Jerusalem were ethnically cleansed of their Jews. Why is it illegal for Jews to rebuild their homes in Hebron, Gaza, the West Bank & East Jerusalem?

    • Kaisa of Finland

      I favor statehood for the Palestinians if they want it & are willing to live in peace.

    • Kaisa of Finland

      I never claimed that the Jews were the only people who had been persecuted & I favor statehood for the Roma, the Kurds, etc. if they want it.

    • Emory Riddle

      The English, the Scots, the Welsh, the Dutch, the French, the Belgians, the Swiss, the Germans, the Italians, the Swedes, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Finns, the Austrians, the Hungarians, the Romanians, the Bulgarians, the Turks, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Czechs, the Catholics, the Protestants, etc. have not been confined to ghettos nor have they been victims of genocide.

    • Citizen

      Arab Israelis are exempt from the draft which is a bigger advantage than those 50 laws combined.

    • Kaisa of Finland

      Should Finland grant Finnish citizenship to Palestinian refugees?

    • Kaisa of Finland

      Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.

  • A music lesson from Palestine, for Nick Cave
    • Kay24

      Can you name even one country that has preserved the rights of its citizens when living under existential threat.?

      During world war 1, the US sentenced Eugene Debs to 10 years in prison for speaking against the war.
      During world war 2, the US interned Japanese-Americans.

    • Kay24

      Name even one country in Israel's situation of continual existential danger that has protected human rights are well as Israel has.

  • No way to treat a child
  • Israeli Labor sells out African refugees, as 'infiltrators'
    • John O

      It was not easy for a poor country like Israel was in 1948 & which had recently had 21,408 Israelis killed or injured & which had a population of 806,000 to take in & assimilate 688,000 refugees speaking different languages & coming from different cultures during the next 3 1/2 years.

    • There are 65.3 million refugees. None are Jews because Israel takes in all Jewish refugees.

      Before complaining that Israel doesn’t take in enough gentile refugees, let the majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries take in Christian & Muslim refugees. Also, let’s remember that 6 million Jews died because majority-Christian & majority-Muslim countries refused to take in Jewish refugees.

      Furthermore, let’s remember why Israel was created. Israel was created to be a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for their Jewish citizens. If Israel takes in too many gentiles, it will no longer be majority-Jewish. Unfortunately, there still is a need for a majority-Jewish country because Jews are still targeted for being Jews.

  • Israel to move checkpoint deeper into West Bank, cutting off Palestinian access to spring
    • Brewer

      The first exile was the Assyrian exile, the expulsion from the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) begun by Tiglath-Pileser III of Assyria in 733 BCE. This process was completed by Sargon IIwith the destruction of the kingdom in 722 BCE, concluding a three-year siege of Samaria begun by Shalmaneser V. The next experience of exile was the Babylonian captivity, in which portions of the population of the Kingdom of Judah were deported in 597 BCE and again in 586 BCE by the Neo-Babylonian Empire under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar II.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora

      The emperor Titus brought 20,000 Jewish slaves to Rome, slaves used to bulid the Roman Coliseum. Proof of this lies in the Arch of Titus, which depicts a menorah as part of the bounty from Jerusalem.

      https://www.jewishgen.org/sephardic/coliseum.htm

    • Brewer

      What if it were impossible to say for sure which people deserved land?

      Suppose there was history, but no exact records, & DNA that showed mixture.

      Would you decide that a terrible crime had been committed, but we're not going to return land , because we might give land to someone who might not deserve it
      Or
      would you decide that its better to return land even if some of the people who get land don't deserve it?

    • Brewer

      There were earlier expulsions.

      Converts were completely accepted into the Jewish people.
      It's like adoption. If a couple adopts a child that child will have the same inheritance rights as the couple's children who were not adopted.

      Why would "Rebels who were taken as slaves by the Romans" result in loss of inheritance?

      Jews who migrated of their own accord & Jews who sold their plot before departing would not be entitled to inheritance, but over the years they've mixed with descendants of Jews who did not leave of their own accord.

      Even if we had perfect records, there's a problem in saying that this plot of land belongs to a particular individual. Imagine a couple that owns Plot A 2,000 years ago. Suppose they had 2 children. Each child inherits only half of Plot A. Suppose another couple owns Plot B & also has 2 children. Each child owns only half of Plot B. If a child of Plot A marries a child of Plot B, each of their children will own half of Plot A & half of Plot B. After thousands of years, each descendant will own a thousandth of a thousand plots. The solution is to say that the land belongs to the government of Israel which is the representative of the Jewish people & let the government decide how best to use the land.

    • John O

      Why would Israel try to keep Palestinians in Gaza?

      How many Palestinians have been expelled from the West Bank & where did they go?

    • Brewer

      You are accusing Israel of expelling Palestinians, but other people accuse Israel of keeping Palestinians in an open air prison. Who's right?

  • Israeli gov't minister says there will be one million West Bank settlers in the next 10-20 years
  • Yaffa - the city my family once called home
    • Misterioso

      Were Arab states willing to let Jews have control of any territory at all?

    • Misterioso

      Evidence that "48% of the total land area of mandated Palestine was privately owned (‘mulk khaas’) by Palestinian Arabs?"

      What percent of Palestinian Arabs owned land?

  • Five Palestinians bodies recovered from tunnel bombing after Israeli court ignores emergency rescue petition
    • Kaisa of Finland

      That there are other victims doesn't mean that we shouldn't help Jews, too.

    • Kaisa of Finland

      Zionism Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.

    • Kaisa of Finland

      The USA has Affirmative Action which gives preference to African-Americans, Asians, Latinos, Native Americans & women. Do you oppose Affirmative Action?

    • amigo

      Once again, I condemn all terrorism including Palestinian terrorism & Jewish terrorism.
      I hope that this makes it past the moderators.

    • eljay

      Jewish supremacism is as illegitimate as any other form of supremacism. “

      So you consider American supremacy illegitimate where the US gives preference to Americans returning from abroad over non-Americans entering the US?

      "Jewish State” is a religion-supremacist construct. I do not accept it."

      Would you accept "Jewish State" if it meant Jewish people rather than Jewish religion e.g. atheists would be considered part of the Jewish people if the atheist's parents, grandparents, etc. were all Jews over someone who had just converted to the Jewish religion?

      "Colonialism in the 21st century is unacceptable."

      If Palestinian refugees returned to Israel & built settlements, would you consider that to be unacceptable colonialism?

      " Israel has been stealing, occupying and colonizing territory outside of its / Partition borders for ~70 years. I do not accept it."

      If you are just taking back your own land, that's not stealing.

      Why should Israel respect Partition borders when they're not official borders? Official borders are set by treaty, but there's no treaty between the Israelis & the Palestinians. Because they're not official borders, Israel has every right to change its declared borders because changing its declared borders would not be violating any treaty because there is no treaty.

    • amigo

      You acknowledge that I have complained about not getting through moderation & yet you continue to make assumptions.

      "You have to date refused to answer this question "

      You don't know that I refused. You are just making an assumption.

      "then suggested that you rewrite those posts , but you have chosen to ignore that."

      You don't know that I have chose to ignore that. You are just making an assumption

      You don't know if I "justify theft, murder and ethnic cleansing based on the made up stories from a book written for Jews , by Jews." You are just making an assumption.

    • amigo

      If someone takes something that he believes is his, then it's not theft.

    • Mooser

      I don't think that the world owes the Jews anything.
      I do think that certain countries & individuals do owe some Jews.

    • amigo

      I reread the article.
      I still don't see the answer to my question:
      Did the people who gave the land to Ma’aleh Rehavam believe that the land belongs to the Palestinians or do they believe that, based on the Bible, it’s Jewish land?

    • amigo

      Some of what I write does not make it through moderation.

    • amigo

      Did the people who gave the land to Ma’aleh Rehavam believe that the land belongs to the Palestinians or do they believe that, based on the Bible, it's Jewish land?

    • echinococcus

      " eliminating the creator of the problem solves the problem."

      Not necessarily. Suppose that I crash into a car & 20 other cars are destroyed & their drivers & passengers killed or injured in a chain reaction. If I leave the scene, do people come back to life, are their injuries healed, are their cars uncrushed?

    • Brewer

      Early Genetic Proof Ashkenazi Jews Are From the Middle East

      The authors conclude that Ashkenazi Jews, like their non-Ashkenazi co-religionists, originate in the Middle East.

      http://jewsdownunder.com/2015/11/04/early-genetic-proof-ashkenazi-jews-are-from-middle-east/
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      Ashkenazi Jews no doubt emerged from hybridization events between Middle Eastern and European females

      http://nationalvanguard.org/2015/07/ashkenazi-jews-can-be-identified-at-100-accuracy-by-dna-tests/
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      Recent reports have reaffirmed that the AJ population has a common Middle Eastern origin with other Jewish Diaspora populations

      http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-jews.html
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      Ashkenazi Jews trace their ancestry to a genetically diverse population in the Middle East

      http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9780470015902.a0020818.pub2/abstract;jsessionid=993307FB32ABA42325F7CDDE4489D67A.f01t04?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=
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      The study found a fairly even mix of European and Middle-Eastern ancestry in the population

      http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/dna-traces-jewish-history/

    • Mooser

      Why would I be the first one there with an ax-handle to keep me out?

      Evidence that Israel does NOT have room or resources for every ostensible Jew in the world?

    • Mooser

      No one has given Jews even 1 square foot of land.

    • eljay

      Israel has 1.6 million Arabs.

      Arab women in Israel live longer than Arab women in any Arab country.

      Arab babies in Israel have lower infant mortality than Arab babies in any Arab country.

      Hadassah University Medical Center in Israel established a registry for Arab donors of bone marrow and stem cells to facilitate life-saving transplants. The registry at Hadassah Hospital is the only one in the world for Arabs and will no doubt save the lives not only of Arab Israelis but also of some citizens of Arab countries, not a single one of which has a registry of its own.

    • Mooser

      A “genetic connection” to the Middle (or Near) East does not obligate you to support Zionism.
      Some Jews believe that Jews are in the diaspora as punishment & it is up to God to decide when the punishment should end. However, there are others who say that God helps those who help themselves. According to the Bible, the Red Sea didn't split until a Jew jumped in.

      Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.

      I consider myself a Zionist, but I don't think that all Jews should return to Israel. I don't believe in putting all the eggs into one basket.

      I hope you never need it, but I'm glad Israel is there in case you do.

    • Mooser

      I was answering RoHa's question.

      But I like your answer better:

      "That depends on where the sample-tubes end up in the genetic-testing lab. Sometimes they are in different places, sometimes right next to each other!"

    • Brewer

      It was a hypothetical.

    • MHughes976

      The genetic studies reinforce the historical, archaeological & religious claims.

    • Ossinev

      Even members of the same family don't always get along.

    • John O

      They're distances. The bigger the number, the greater the distance.

    • Brewer

      If someone works as a doctor 11 months a year, but spends one month a year murdering people, does that mean that he's not a murderer?

    • "It also forbade land sales to Jews in 95 percent of the territory of Palestine. "

      http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/british-restrictions-on-jewish-immigration-to-palestine

    • Mooser

      You are assuming that the Israelis knew where all the exits were for the tunnels & had the IDF at those exits to welcome the terrorists.

    • Mooser

      Some Jews were sold as slaves or transported as captives after the fall of Judea…Jewish communities were thereby largely expelled from Judea and sent to various Roman provinces in the Middle East, Europe and North Africa.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Roman_Empire

    • RoHa

      Blood Brothers: Palestinians and Jews Share Genetic Roots

      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385

    • oldgeezer
      Ossinev

      Genetic distance Ashkenazi to Palestinians .0093 Askenazi to Druze .0088
      Irish to Palestinian .017 Irish to Druze .0154

      Ashkenazi closer than Irish to the Middle East

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe#Relation_between_Europeans_and_other_populations

    • Jewish communities across the globe share a common “genetic thread”, according to a 2010 study led by geneticist Harry Ostrer of Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. Genetic analysis of seven Jewish groups (Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek and Ashkenazi) identified two distinct clusters that split about 2,500 years ago: European/Syrian Jews and Middle Eastern Iraqi and Iranian Jews.

      https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/07/09/are-jews-a-genetic-race-or-population-12-examples-of-jewish-genetic-distinctiveness/

    • extensive study in 2006 by a team based at Technion and Rambam Medical Center in Haifa suggested that Ashkenazi women—40 percent or more—may indeed have had ancient Near and Middle Eastern roots, and may have accompanied their husbands as part of families migrating together.

      https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/08/ashkenazi-jewish-women-descended-mostly-from-italian-converts-new-study-asserts/

    • Contemporary Jews retain a genetic imprint from their Near Eastern ancestry

      http://www.nature.com/articles/srep08377

    • http://forward.com/news/israel/209236/genetics-expert-insists-75-of-jews-share-roots-in/

      Genetics Expert Insists 75% of Jews Share Roots in Middle East

      Judy Maltz November 14, 2014 kurt hoffman

      “No less than 75 percent of Ashekanzi, Sephardi or Mizrahi Jews, their ancestors came from what we call the general Middle East”

    • Brewer

      For twelve years we have been building these tunnels and waiting for the right moment, when we were trained and ready. We decided that the time would be this year on Rosh Hashanah, 2014. We chose Rosh Hashanah because most of the soldiers get leave to go home and there aren’t a lot on guard duty, and it’s a two-day holiday. All of Hamas would go through the tunnels we’ve built over twelve years and capture Israel.

      Bennett, Ramon. Gaza!: The Fallout From Premeditated Barbarianism (Kindle Locations 1070-1073). Kindle Edition.

    • oldgeezer

      Ashkenazi DNA is much closer than Irish DNA to the DNA of Middle Eastern Jews.

    • amigo

      A study by an international team suggests the central and eastern European Jewish population, known as Ashkenazi Jews, from whom most American Jews are descended, started from a founding population of about 350 people between 600 and 800 years ago.
      Further, that group of Jews who experienced this “bottleneck” was of approximately evenly mixed Middle Eastern and European descent.

      https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/09/22/european-jews-closley-related-and-not-converted-khazars/

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