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There are all sorts of things that never make it in to the discourse Judaism is not hatred. It's Mensches versus Cossacks. I am with the Mensches. Fairuz is a Mensch. So are the people in Gaza, Hass, Gideon Levy, Yasmin Levy, Gurvitz, Zochrot, Btselem. The only Sabras who have managed to escape the suffocating Groupthink of Zionism are those who had parents who could see what was happening. We have to get Jews back to Menschkeit. The religion didn't survive this long by being asshole focused. "And he is scared," wrote Kol, who has helped advance bills in the fields of children's rights, violence against children, health and education. "I am scared. I am scared that we will continue living like this. And that fear scares me." But in the long run, a hostile region like that cannot be policed, even by a nuclear-armed Israel. It will simply do to Israel what some of the wars have done to us on a smaller scale. Attrite it, tire it, fatigue it, demoralize it, cause emigration of the best and the first, and then some sort of cataclysm at the end which cannot be predicted at this stage because we don’t know who will have what by when. And after all, Iran is next door. It might have some nuclear capability. Suppose the Israelis knock it off. What about Pakistan and others? The notion that one can control a region from a very strong and motivated country, but of only six million people, is simply a wild dream. In the corners there is light That is good for you And behind you, I have warned you, There are awful things

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  • From Greta Gerwig to NYU, Israel has deep reservoir of cultural support in U.S.
  • Occupation, in the details
    • 50 years. Howard Jacobson says Jews and Zionism are inseparable. Surely Judaism can refute this or collapse.

      50 years of sadism. For what?

  • As battle rages in UK Labour Party, Moshe Machover expelled after asserting 'Anti-Zionism does not equal anti-Semitism'
    • Front page of the NYT, Saturday October 7. “Now Labour is the enemy of the Jews” by howard Jacobson.
      Just like that little old lady who was in the Kindertransport said. “they told me the Palestinans were my enemy. “
      Howard writes “How Labour changed roles with the Conservatives as the enemy of the Jews is a tale that cannot be told briefly.”
      Why does it matter? Because Israel is not sovereign. Israel depends for its survival on a complex web of international power structures. This is because of the Occupation and the unfinished business of 1948. Israel never dealt with the Palestinian issue coherently. What would Hillel say?
      Howard Jacobson is scared. So is the NYT.
      So he rolls out the veneration of crap. “Zionism was this..a long gestating movement for regenerative transformation” – more spiritual than political. A grand ambition, bound to lose its shine when it declined into the banal and sometimes cruel exigencies of statehood but can we hate a thing in retrospect because we don’t like what it became ?”
      Hajo Meyer was the author of a book entitled “The End of Judaism: An Ethical Tradition Betrayed,” which argued that Zionism and Judaism were radical opposites and incompatible with one another. Meyer equated Zionism with “fascism” and “criminality” and believed that Zionists “have given up everything that has to do with humanity”And as a Holocaust survivor — he was in Auschwitz for 10 months as a young teenager — he noted that Israelis “have no idea about the Holocaust. They use the Holocaust to implant paranoia in their children.”
      Some things are born good and go bad. Zionism was born bad. 1948 is in the present. The road of procrastination is headed for the cliff.
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      “What is happening is that the narrative that has underpinned Israel until now, with en bloc support from leading Western democracies, has collapsed under the weight of Israeli aggression and double standards. A new narrative was quickly formulated to cast all of Israels muslim middle eastern neighbours as inherently enmical to the West -therefore Israel had to continue benefitting from unconditional support..

      Events soon undermined this fable as well, and many principled voices in the media started daring to expose the reality of Israeli democracy and the extreme brutality of Israeli occupation, despite the harsh threats and the accusations of anti-semitism so recklessly deployed .

      Now the question is how governments in the West can be pushed to deploy real and effective measures to force Israel into meaningful negotiations, and not just moan about Mr. Netanyahu being a "liar". We seem to have reached the point where settler violence is accelerating with impunity,while Palestinians are being punished by Western governments, led by the USA ,for pursuing negotiations and diplomacy . “

    • It is on page 1 of this weekends NYT. Howard Jacobson calls Labour the enemy of the Jews.

      Freedland will have to be neutralised. The NYT will have to be taken out.

    • The boy who cried wolf. Israel is illegitimate. Using anti-semitism to disguise this is despicable.

    • This article deserves more than the ranting of a Zionist shit lord in the comments. Things are happening in the global economy that are far bigger than Liberal Zionism. 2.3 m Americans are addicted to opioids, broken. UK salaries are 15% lower than in 2007. The economic system is a system of looting. Some of the proceeds prop up Israel . Huge change is coming.

    • Corbyn is going to be the next prime minister Neoliberalism is dying. Elite Jewish power will die with it. Altogether now is the theme song.
      Fuck Zionism.

  • Journalist and former Mossad agent Herbert Pundik turns 90 – and Denmark celebrates  
    • Michel Ricoeur wrote a book called Memory, history and forgetting in which he examined the possibility that societies overly remember certain events such as the Shoah over others such as the war in Algeria or the Armenian genocide.

      I think a lot of people are sick of Israel using the Shoah as a justification for mass murder of non Jews. It all comes back to Hillel.

  • New group challenges role of Israel lobby inside Labour Party as effort to undermine Corbyn continues
    • Supporting Israeli nihilism is not realist. It is deluded. Israel cannot run hatred indefinitely. It fucks up the people. They end up making insane choices. Hillel understood this.

  • What Killed Mohanned?
  • On empathy, Yom Kippur, and the NFL
    • Shatnez must have been the work of an ancient business lobby.

    • Imagine how mortified the ancient Judeans must be to know what putzes came after them. Mortified is Mort Zuckerman's Christian name. He couldn't possibly be Jewish .

    • Ultra Orthodox population growing at 3x rate of secular Jeff. Does the World need 3 million shatnez inspectors? Mooser should know. He is in touch with Hiram J Zuckerman, CEO of Shatnezworld. How will Israel feed itself. ? How will the hatred of the sabras mutate over the next 30 years? Pouring petrol down the throat of a Palestinian was the high point in 2014.

    • Sukkot always makes me laugh. The soldiers who run Gaza remember when the Jews were in the wilderness without shelter because of a cruel Pharaoh . You could not make it up. Jewish power and its nonsense.

    • Israel won't exist by 2100. Systems have lives. Unstable systems die.

    • Ass immolation is worse, Mooser. Especially with marshmallows.

  • How Kurdish independence underpins Israel’s plan to reshape the Middle East
    • Decent people everywhere support Kurds and Palestinians. To be Zionist you must be a ####.

    • Israel got the Iraq war it wanted. The bots thought the Americans would win. They didn't model Iran winning. Israel plays whack a mole . The big mole never dies.
      Ancient Israel was destroyed twice. Once by Egypt. Once by Mesopotamia. The other pole is Turkey. Israel cannot escape that reality. Bigger populations. Organised. Time. 70 years is nothing. Israel is supposed to be forever. God laughs

    • Everything Israel has done will be done to Israelis in time. Israel has a lot to do with the state of play in Egypt and the Levant but it rarely acts in its own strategic interest. It has never left a stable situation behind in any country it tried to control. Israel still needs the umbilical cord with the US after 70 years. Israel is chaos.

    • Israel's plans for regional domination are laughable. You cannot control a region with paranoia. Netanyahu assured the UN the Iraq war would be a piece of cake. It almost broke the US.
      For the real thing we have to go to 2011 and the fall of Mubarak. The Israeli embassy in Cairo was attacked by a mob. The people of the region hate Israel, and with good reason. Take away the guns and Israelis are lost.

  • Do not turn the Balfour Declaration into a holy Jewish text
    • Jeff

      Do you know anything about the Israeli kidney industry?

    • The Zionists forced the creation of a state but they couldn't make a normal state. Because there is no such thing as free land. The price of 1948 was a sick society. Israel is one of the jurisdictions where proving a crime is difficult. Thuggery is built into the sabra DNA.
      This will probably be the death of Israel.

    • You have to hand over the children to indoctrína tors, Mooser. You can't be trusted. You might go all Lenny Bruce.

      Where would the kids be then?

    • The Balfour Declaration was typical Zionist backdoor arse licking and greased by money. Same as today in DC. The problem with Zionism is it takes up too many evenings.

    • Israel sold weapons to the Argentinian junta that murdered 8000 Jews.

  • Support for Israel is tumbling-- even among young Orthodox Jews
  • An Atheist in the Yeshiva: The education of Yossi Zvi Gurvitz
    • Gurwitz is a legend. I think he must have had great parents . All the dissidents have.

      The history of the Christian treatment of Jews is grotesque. Zionism brought that attitude to the Middle East. Zionist kids are poisoned with hatred. It is such a mess.
      Judaism without decency is worthless.

  • Between our life and our mother Algeria, we chose our mother: Excerpt from 'Inside the Battle of Algiers: Memoir of a Woman Freedom Fighter'
    • Mooser, if you don't like Algeria you may be interested in the Crusader staté. Or what Mohammed Ali of Albania and Egypt did when he seized power from the Mamluks who had ruled Egypt for 3 centuries.
      He invited them to the citadel for a meal and executed every motherfucking last one of them.

      Palestine is in a very busy precinct. Property changes hands many times. Power fades .

    • Echi

      The FLN murdered a lot of their own. The economy collapsed because the Pieds Noirs were the managers.
      It was not ideal.

    • The French are responsible for the pieds noirs. The FLN are responsible for the sclerotic state of Algeria. There was no romance.

      The kids of pieds noirs are innocent just as the kids of Beitar Jerusalem fans will be innocent. Power doesn't care about individual families.

      Belgium left its colonies helpless. The British sent Soviet citizen prisoners who had fought with the Germans back to the Soviets at bayonet point.

      In 1798 Highland regiments of the British army went on a killing spree in Wexford , in Ireland, in the course of extinguishing a rebellion. 20 years later there was agitation in the Highlands of Scotland. It was put down murderously by soldiers from Wexford in the uniform of the British army. There is no morality in war.

      One other thing: neoliberalism has been a tragedy for the Arab world. Pre neoliberalism the culture could produce people like Fairuz. Now there is nothing worth talking about.

    • I think that the measures France took broke Algeria before itwas born. The FLN became paranoid . Many of the best leaders were killed. What was left was useless.

      This song is for all the Algerians who were forced to emigrate to French slums

      France also shafted the pieds noirs who sided with the occupation. Many now vote Front Nationale in the South of France

  • Ten days of awe: standing with whom?
    • "We cannot allow the Arabs to block so valuable a piece of historic reconstruction….To fold their tents and silently steal away is their proverbial habit: let them exemplify it now"

      That is the core code of the Zionist model. They will go away .
      They will not.

    • On yom kippur if you want to atone for your sins you must face the other person. You cannot wheel out a sociopath such as Netanyahu to explain it was not your fault .
      Judaism evolved over millennia. It is a balanced system. Zionism has never been at equilibrium. It is fed by hatred. It cannot survive.

  • Why the split inside the Democratic Party over BDS needs to happen
  • Gideon Levy calls out Israel's fundamental, racist religion: Zionism
  • Changing the narrative, from BDS to antifa
    • Zionism is a political ideology founded on the worship of aggression . Where victimhood is reserved for the victimiser. This made it impossible for the Zionist project to develop a society in which everyone has an equal share of basic rights. It is up to Israelis to abandon the memes of Zionism.

  • Netanyahu declares West Bank is Israel 'forever,' as liberal Zionists cry out for 'make-believe peace process'
  • 'Auto-anti-Semitism!' Naftali Bennett declares war on Jewish self-hatred in Israel
    • Israel should remember that whatever is done to Gaza will be kosher for Jews. There is no such thing as special in real life . Zionism is insane.

    • I love that poem

    • Zionism is insane. It has holidays to remember what an ass hole nebuchadnezzar was while running a concentration camp in Gaza. FFS.

    • Israelis should love Israel given nobody else does.

    • Bennett wants Israeli self love. Wankers.

    • Someone told Raphael Honigman that if he wanted to study and understand the history of the Shoah he would be at career end.

      It has been mythologised. There is no historic traction or coherence    There is just Anne Frank. And Israeli flags in Auschwitz  . The veneration of crap.

      The Shoah was a system issue. So was the initial re-emergence of anti semitism in the 1880s.

      There were 2 major depressions over that time. 1873 to 1896. 1929 to 45. Both involved credit bubbles. The collapse of credit bubbles is the entry point to social insanity.
      Demagogues bewitch angry majority people and then betray them.
      Judaism is basically 2 tribes. Ultra well connected people at the top of the financial system and ordinary Schmucks.  The former group are sociopaths like all elite finance people. Nothing Jewish about it.
      The Schmucks are ordinary people with a special culture.

      When the system collapses the politics go through specific stages. There is betrayal. Then there is victimisation and the apportionment of guilt, sin and blame.  Groups are targeted. In the UK now it is Eastern Europeans. In Iraq it was Yazidis. In Germany 1930 it was Jews. People like Trump turn on Jews when politically expedient. Vote bank politics. Blame the Jews.

      This is all linked to minority politics. In the US black people are used to being shafted. Listen to rap.
      Jews forget how the system works. Black people can't.   If a Jew makes it in Wall St it is a source of pride. It is also a source of danger when the system breaks down.

      People like Trump have no morals. They will abandon anyone for power.
      In the 19 30s the system collapsed via deflation.  Hitler was supported by the rich. Who love deflation.  He couldn't blame them. They are mostly majority. He blamed the Jews. Tell people a lie long enough and they believe it. The Schmucks got allocated the losses 
      Mass murder ensued.

      Marek Edelmann understood this.
      Zionism says they will always hate us. This is wrong. Every so often hatred will flower after the collapse of a credit expansion system. Jews will be blamed because they are a minority.  And easy to turn on.

      The answer is not to move everyone to the levant and get them to speak Hebrew in a German accent. The answer is not to give them nukes. Or let them run apartheid. It doesn't address the system issue  .

      The easiest way to sort out the problem would be to revise the kosher laws. Bring shellfish in from the cold. Ban trading in bonds. Otherwise expel the wall st sociopaths. 

      Judaism can be great but it needs to be rationalised. 
      Zionism is not the answer. Because the system did not change.


    • Bennett is insane. Israel is insane. I crossed paths with some Isghaeli "Jews" today. Shemesh. Lo. The German r with their fake plastic biblical language. The whole thing is insane. The greed. The persecution. The victimisation of the innocent. The abandonment of the victims. The acceptance of German money. The treatment of the Palestinians  .
      Askenazi Jews are people of the schmaltz. No butter with meat and no olive oil in Poland. As if they could escape the trauma by moving to Shangri la. It is a fucking nightmare.

  • As many as 1 million Israelis have left for the U.S.
    • Maoism was like Zionism. An attempt to override time and history. They don't tend to end well. Reality is a bitch.

    • It certainly won't be the song of songs

    • Gaza is occupied. Israel controls everythibg

    • Great comment.The trends all point to the same thing

    • A lot of the Isghaelis in the US are secular and better educated than the sabra rabble back home. The dynamics of Israel are very poor. V High birthrate of economically inactive Orthodox who are gaining the upper hand in the cultural sphere and turning the secular Schmucks who pay for everything away. If you were a thinking secular Jew would you want the Orthodox running the show?

  • 'We came to school and found the school destroyed': Israeli forces demolish West Bank school hours before children's first day
  • Im Tirzu, Israeli movement 'with fascist elements,' to meet at Jerusalem center with links to Reform movement
  • White Jews: deal with your privilege and call out Jewish support for white supremacy
    • It is a Ponzi scheme everywhere Catalan. Jewish élite greed is in the mix as usual. Not good for the schmuck class who always pay. Goldman Sachs is in serious trouble too.

    • She should be putting rates up and canceliing debt. As per the 50s . The Fed's job is financial stability. It is running a Ponzi scheme.

    • When there is growth there is no problem. When there is not, there is chaos . And Jews are forced to take sides. Which is not good .

      Every so often human societies enter periods of insanity. They are often preceded by credit bubbles and the worship of debt, plutocracy and deflation. The last one ended in the ovens of Auschwitz, in Sobibor and Treblinka.

      It is still iterating away in the group trauma of Israel.

      We are back in the madness now with another out of control credit bubble, debt worship, plutocracy and deflation.

      I was putting together a video on the idea of the allegory of bad governance which is a medieval picture from Siena in Italy. And I got together pictures of some of the main players today.  The Kochs,  Milton Friedman,  Cohn , Mitch McConnell, Yellen, Trump

      A lot of them unfortunately are linked by certain religious holidays. And people who play an oversized role   in credit bubbles which end in either war or economic catastrophe may be familiar with gefilte fish

      Ordinary Jews pay for the sins of the plutocrats. Especially the Orthodox.  Because Judaism doesn't do accountability. It is a dreadful model. And whose fault is it?

  • Charlottesville is moment of truth for empowered U.S. Zionists (who name their children after Israeli generals)
    • Me too. I think Charlottesville emphasised the point. Racism and Violence based on claimed victim hood are too repugnant to be sustainable long term.

      Israel is decent or it dies.

    • Jack Green

      Regular Jews in Israel are indoctrinated to hate. How else can a decent person explain Gaza.
      ? If you tolerate Gaza you look ridiculous whining qbout history.

      Maybe there is enlightenment in the words of the song. "Haters keep hating, fucking these models"
      The Zionist model is fucked. Cognitive dissonance broke it.

    • I think he is quite talented so I don't get why he is so loyal to dogshit like Zionism.

    • The answer is the Torah. Live decently.
      Or Hillel
      And get some therapy.
      Zionism is trauma.

    • Josh Marshall @joshtpm

      7: Put another way, I like the ADL, I like Ellison, I like the Democratic Party. From that pov, this is fucked up in every direction.
      In addition to being a monster in general @PhilWeiss almost comically distorts my views on the actual issues he's talking about.

    • I have been reading Norm Ornstein , David Frum , Maggie Haberman and Josh Marshall on Neo Nazism in Dixie. Rassenschande and biscuits with gravy.

      Marshall is really good on fascism. I saved some of his stuff as source material for the book I want to write on why Israel is fucked.

      Anyway who do I see described on his twitter feed as a monster? Phil Weiss. The name looked very familiar.
      Surely not fluffy Phil Weiss from Mondo.? But it was.

      Talk about cognitive dissonance. Rigorous truth telling re the US but omerta when it comes to Israel.

      The lies will bring it down. Israel is not a country. It is a failing project.

      And Phil obviously knows how to tickle @joshtpm.
      How utterly fascinating.

  • How 1967 changed American Jews
    • Jewish leadership is poor. It's linked to the small pick and the volatility of capital. Having an army doesn't change this. We don't know yet how much the decision of 1967 will cost.

    • They never had an army. They don't understand the limitations of state violence.

      What is also desperately sad is the idea that controlling East Jerusalem could trump the Holocaust. Trauma doesnt work like that.

      Israel will be dealing with the Holocaust for the next century.

  • Interrogating the Qatar rift
    • 3 of the demands are nonsense. Iran, hezb and Egypt. I think Sisi will lose control of Egypt. The old deal of repression in return for taking care of you is broken.

  • Days after our wedding, my husband Faisal and I hid in a Ramallah basement -- Iris Keltz remembers '67
    • Great writing. The most moral army in the world and its pillage department. THe IDF has always been classy.
      And being an innocent person caught up in Zionism''s trauma. It is still outrageous even today.

  • Maqloube denied! Celebrating Ramadan dinner at the checkpoint in Hebron
    • Israeli gdp is overestimated. There is no allowance for the legal costs associated with all the crimes of the occupation.

  • The failure of Ponzi scheme diplomacy: A review of Nathan Thrall's 'The Only Language They Understand'
    • John McDonnell is UK Labour party finance spokesman. They just delivered a stunning election performance. He said "hope always wins over fear. Kindness and generosity win over selfish greed. Solidarity will always succeed. " Israel is a moral clusterfuck

    • Zionism is trauma. And trauma is not rational. Eventally Israelis will regret the peace deals ignored and sabotaged. But groupthink is so alluring. Especially in Hebrew for chosen people with God in the background.

    • Shulman is very good. He wasn't educated in Israel so he knows what Judaism is. I honestly think Israel should drop the Jewish holidays. Why celebrate defiance of the tyrant in a tyranny ?

      Systemic cruelty inflicted over generations on innocent populations will eventually exact a price—probably a terrible price. It is an illusion to believe that large-scale eruptions of violence can be controlled, or their costs and results easily sustained.

      Perhaps “rational” is not the word we want. A policy driven mostly by greed, and also to no little extent by sheer malice, such as Israel’s, may be intelligible, but that doesn’t make it rational, and it is certainly far from wise. 

  • Why has the Israeli occupation lasted so long? It's good for business.
    • I think his 2008 book "an Israeli in Palestine" should have been called "a Jew in Palestine".
      The matrix of control is interesting. It wasn't possible to have a state based on Jewish values . Streicher would have been fascinated.

  • The Israeli army enters the inquisition business
    • The IDF used to be secular. Secular armies murder and carry out human rights abuses but within a relatively rational framework. Religious armies are for the birds.
      Israel needs a secular army. Because it is turning into a madhouse.

    • The problem with religious soldiers is fascist religious in times of war. Holy war is "not good for the Jews" yet it happens every time Israel goes turkey shooting in Gaza. It is so easy to find a military rabbi who will declare that Palestinians are Amalek or that it is OK to rape enemy women. Over half of Israeli army officers now are religious. They aren't even vaguely religious BTW. They are brainwashed.

  • The '67 War called Tony Judt to Israel -- where he found an 'anachronism' he 'intensely disliked'
    • In 1967 Israelis thought the Holocaust was over and that God intervened. Trauma doesn't work like that. 50 years later Israel is still fighting WW2.

  • Campaign to stop Linda Sarsour from speaking at CUNY was an epic flop
    • The notion that Jerusalem is hakodesh (the holiest ) makes me laugh. Zionism has debased it. Now west J is a city of hatred and darkness.
      Also interesting that Kodesh K d Sh and The Palestinian name quds q d s have the same semitic root .

  • 'To live or to perish' -- Norman Finkelstein on the Six-Day-War and its mythology
    • It's only important as a precedent. The big issue for Israel now is how to survive all the roosting chickens. It has several simultaneously slow burning crises it will not address.

    • It doesn't matter why Israel went to war in 1967. ThAt world no longer exists . Zionism bought off Egypt in 1979. Quiet in response to US taxpayer schmuck money. Israel never pays for anything.
      That allowed the settlement project to bloom. No danger on the western front.
      Now it's 2017. Egypt's population is 5x 1948 size.

      "The dictator has staked his legitimacy on effectively fighting terror and turning around an economy that collapsed after the 2011 revolution; he has failed on both counts. The economy remains stagnant, with tourism down, inflation high, and huge, failing infrastructure projects such as a $9 billion expansion of the Suez Canal sucking up the country’s hard currency. Meanwhile, Sisi’s repression, Dawoud argues, has done little but foment anger. "

      Israel is like the kid of a rich businessman who provides everything. Including putting a lid on Egypt.

      And that is not possible indefinitely.

      The 2 biggest events in ancient Jewish history involved geopolitical chaos. One of them involved Egypt. Both involved the destruction of the holiest of holes.

      Israel can't protect itself from regional dynamics. It never could. Because there aren't enough Jews . Because of the culture. Because the land is too small. Because it is easy to invade.

      The land is only secure as part of a regional arrangement. Which is the Palestinian model.

  • Oren sees 'radical implosion' of US Jewish support for Israel -- then calls Palestinian polygamy 'existential threat'
    • I don't think anyone has thought about that.

    • How many kids do Birthright? Max 5000 per annum.
      American Jews are not educated to hate. Maybe some MBTI type S American Jews are attracted to Israel from a law n order perspective but imo the cultural gap is too wide. It's like the difference between Art Garfunkel and Naftali Bennett.

    • I think it is interesting that Oren admits that Israel has all the attraction of dogshit to many young Jews. The news coming out of Israel is uniformly dispiriting. Young American Jews don't tend to be nihilist.

      The Trump win last year exposed the chasm between AIPAC and ordinary Jews. AIPAC is a court power vehicle that will cosy up to antisemitism if it means access. Ordinary Jews didn't like Bannon''s videos and were turned off by people like Boteach ingratiating themselves. Zionism has nothing to offer US Jews. This is a serious structural problem.

    • Oren is vicious and barely house trained. Most of his peers are too. It always becomes visible in war when the mask slips .
      Zionism is an attempt to subvert time and space. With considerable collateral damage. Cos there is no such thing as a free lunch. Or a free country for a people with no land. Israel was a deal with Satan. Give me your children for the land.

    • "We only have one Jewish people, and we can’t afford to take any of it for granted. "

      Calling Mooser. Please make yourself known to reception.

    • Why is legitimacy still an issue for Israel 3 generations after it was founded? Why didn't Oren address this issue when he was in a position to do so?

  • Israel provoked the Six-Day War in 1967, and it was not fighting for survival
    • I was reading about fractals. Patterns that reoccur in life at different levels both physically and emotionally. Could be a Jew thinking about Gazans or the whole of Israel''s Jews. Fractals repeat over time. And Israel won 1967. But football teams rise and fall. And so will Israel. And when it does lose a war there will be no mercy. Because Israel is merciless

    • Israel, the project, was never rational. It is pure emotion.
      1967 was marinated in messianism. Emotion to the power of insanity.
      Sure they keep it going now but so many costs are not accounted. WhaT are the chances the Zionists make a better job of it than the whites of Rhodesia? Israel is like a mixture of Tammany Hall and the crusades.
      However you slice it Israel is a Brazilian wax on the western most edge of Asia. And they brainwash their own kids.

    • It was stupid, Keith. Apartheid is dogshit. And they had to destroy their society so the occupation could fly. I don't even think buying off Egypt was a strategic success. The embassy was surrounded in 2011.
      1967 proved that Palestine was the wrong site for the project. And they are still whining about legitimacy.

    • The 67 war only made sense if the Palestinians all left. Last time I looked they hadn't.
      The other thing is that the roots of 67 go back to 56 if not earlier. Egypt has been ruled by a junta since 1956 because of Israel. Ignore Morsi.
      Egypt is now a failing state. IsraeL will be hit with the aftershocks.
      Violence is not "good for the Jews". Yes, it is possible but it generates awful long term consequences . I would have stuck with the singing and the dancing .

    • What matters about 1967 is what sort of precedent it created. Every Israeli martial démarche is similar in this respect. Israel has been trying to reshape the rules of war for some time. Behind all the warmongering is the assumption that Israel will always have the qualitative edge and America''s back. Forever is very long.
      And when the 2 conditions no longer pertain what sort of protection will Yossi Israeli have? SFA.
      The other thing is that the Zionists built their shangri-la on an invasion route. This is the real reason behind 1967. Israel is literally indefensible.

    • Most Egyptians despise Israel as was richly demonstrated in 2011 after the collapse of the Mubarak junta when the Cairo embassy was surrounded. All the neighbours hate Israel, the fruits of 70 or so years of Israeli regional diplomacy. I don't think the war was a success .

    • I can't retrieve it right now but an officer was quoted in Ha'aretz a while ago. He used to think that there was an order to things but he realised that armies exist to fight even if there is no rationale . And that is what the IDF does. It runs an occupation and the occasional turkey shoot rather than do the rational thing , downsize and move Israel away from paranoia.

    • Israel's only enemy is itself.

    • The ironic thing is that the decision to occupy the 22% is now an existential threat to the future of Israel.

  • Through 'severe pressure,' U.S. can impose a two-state solution on Israel -- Nathan Thrall
    • Empires lasted much longer in the past. The Byzantines got 12 centuries. The British got 2. America has just finished. 76years

    • And Israelis who think the Occupation is foreva have false hope. Hatikva is a nightmare

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