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Maghlawatan

There are all sorts of things that never make it in to the discourse Judaism is not hatred. It's Mensches versus Cossacks. I am with the Mensches. Fairuz is a Mensch. So are the people in Gaza, Hass, Gideon Levy, Yasmin Levy, Gurvitz, Zochrot, Btselem. The only Sabras who have managed to escape the suffocating Groupthink of Zionism are those who had parents who could see what was happening. We have to get Jews back to Menschkeit. The religion didn't survive this long by being asshole focused. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/israeli-mk-gets-a-taste-of-palestinian-humiliation-at-qalandiyah-checkpoint.premium-1.516933 "And he is scared," wrote Kol, who has helped advance bills in the fields of children's rights, violence against children, health and education. "I am scared. I am scared that we will continue living like this. And that fear scares me." http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/brzezinski-the-syria-crisis-8636 But in the long run, a hostile region like that cannot be policed, even by a nuclear-armed Israel. It will simply do to Israel what some of the wars have done to us on a smaller scale. Attrite it, tire it, fatigue it, demoralize it, cause emigration of the best and the first, and then some sort of cataclysm at the end which cannot be predicted at this stage because we don’t know who will have what by when. And after all, Iran is next door. It might have some nuclear capability. Suppose the Israelis knock it off. What about Pakistan and others? The notion that one can control a region from a very strong and motivated country, but of only six million people, is simply a wild dream. In the corners there is light That is good for you And behind you, I have warned you, There are awful things https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BC1qbEjhDU

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  • The link between Israel's forest fires and the 'muezzin bill'
    • Now the question of insurance for property damaged in the fires comes up. If the fires were terrorist then people are entitled to compensation from the Jewish state.
      But it is a [...]state and tight about money.
      So the police have to get involved
      And the police have no evidence of arson.

      http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.756012
      "The police and firefighters are denying the tax authority's claims. They insist there is no certainty that political or nationalist motives were to blame for any of these fires."

      Police say some of the cases are still under investigation. “We cannot compete with the remarks of politicians talking about compensation,” a police source said.

      This is when the paranoia of Zionism meets the culture of money.

      Israel is such a clusterfuck

  • It is time to imagine how one state-- one person, one vote-- will work
    • Most Muslims do not give a shit about Israel.
      Because Israel is a joke. Whining about antisemitism while murdering children.
      Since when did murdering children become kosher?
      Was it during Vatican 2 ?

    • Yonah people without vaginas can become gynaecologists.
      Can you please ask your handlers for fresh material ?

    • Mooser, have you already allowed for the Jewish fingernails factor ?
      I would multiply your 7.5m by 10 just for the fingernails.

      You might even consider adding more to allow for heads, shoulders , knees and toes

    • Echi the vocab is based on Hebrew (which is related to arabic) but the syntax is straight outta old Poland via Yiddish and Slavic.

      And the culture of modern Hebrew is heavily influenced by the Nazis.
      A culture based on Yiddish would have made peace with the Palestinians YEARS ago.

      Absolutely fascinating .

    • Mooser, when kids are indoctrinated via the education system to hate, shalom is the purest hypocrisy. They should say "trauma!" to each other. It would be more real.

      95% of Yossis supported Cast Lead.
      They would have been saying Shalom to each other
      at the time.
      Shalom is up there with Arbeit macht Frei

      It's fine in the Borscht Belt, however...

    • The West Bank includes East Jerusalem. There are over 750,000 nominally Jewish settlers. No Palestinian citizens live in the settlements.

    • It was important to control and brainwash the people.
      Jewish Israelis are nuts.

      Biblical Hebrew didn't have vocabulary for commands such as "let's torture this 12 year old"
      The use of "Shalom" should be banned.

    • Herbst writes about the autumn of Zionism. How appropriate

      http://www.dict.cc/?s=Herbst

    • Echi

      Israel is too weak to solve the existential questions that plague it. It always takes the easy option. More houses for settlers. No need to question anything. The machine runs as per usual every Monday morning.

      The Palestinian question has been hanging over Israel like a bad smell since the get go.
      In 1949 at the Lausanne conference the Zionists refused to discuss it. This was stupid.
      They doubled up in 1967. God only knows why.

      They could have bought the Palestinians off in the 50s while they had all that support but they always do stuff on the cheap which is why buildings in Israel collapse every so often. The Maccabiah games bridge, the wedding hall in the early 00s, the forest fires. Too cheap and too lazy

      If you look at the Goldstone report they got Goldberg out to accuse the judge of a blood libel but at this stage they just take the piss. Senior Zionists wil plead for self regulation but self regulation just makes the situation worse. Leadership is abysmal.

      The Israeli leadership does not have the balls to address YESHA which will more than likely destroy the Zionist project. $120 bn to date. Imagine what they could have done with the money if theyhad been honest.

      If you think about Israel in terms of political capital the last 15 years have been deflationary.
      I think the Jewish inability to understand how to use power efficiently is at the root of it.

      The TV industry in the West is slowly dying. Kids are turning off. There is no single media truth any more. Israel needs hasbara to survive. And it cannot control the narrative on social media. So many pillars of Zionist stability are corroding.

      It will either be an internal collapse or some sort of invasion from the east. The history of regimes on the land over the last 3000 years suggests eternity is not on the menu.

      If I was head of Palestinian coordination in the West Bank I would get the kids to sing this to the soldiers at the checkpoints :

    • Modern Hebrew is makey uppy just like Israeli history. Basically nothing happened between AD 70 and 1880. Except pogroms.
      The problem with Zionism is it takes up too many evenings.

      The funny thing about the "Jewish state" is the indoctrination. Jews in the diaspora (other than the Orthodox) tend to be educated to think rather than to follow orders.

      Israel is too weak to allow people to think. It's a constant struggle against reason.

    • Echo

      The US is on the verge of economic meltdown
      But it has been around for a while

      Israel is too weak for a peace deal. It's too weak to end the Palestine question.

    • Nassim Taleb's 10 principles for a black swan free world.

      1. What is fragile should break early while it is still small . (YESHA should have been strangled in 1967)
      2. No socialisation of losses and privatisation of gains . (Yossi Israeli should understand where the money goes)
      3. People who were driving a school bus blindfolded (and crashed it) should never be given a new bus . (Bibi should never have been reelected)=
      4. Do not let someone making an "incentive" bonus manage a nuclear plant - or your financial risks . (AIPAC are too dangerous)
      5. Counter-balance complexity with simplicity . (swap hasbara for justice)
      6. Do not give children sticks of dynamite, even if they come with a warning (YESHA is poison).
      7. Only Ponzi schemes should depend on confidence. Governments should never need to "restore confidence". (Hasbara should not be necessary . Israel should be able to speak for itself without mediation)
      8. Do not give an addict more drugs if he has withdrawal pains ..(YESHA)
      9. Citizens should not depend on financial assets or fallible "expert" advice for their retirement .). (AIPAC won't be around when it all blows up)
      10. Make an omelette with the broken eggs

    • Shared symbols like hummus ...

      Even if there was peace and one woman one vote it would be hard. Northern Ireland is a good example. When the settler community defines itself as being NOT the "local" community it is hard to get everyone moving in the same direction.

      Probably the most important thing is to educate kids together to break down the mechanisms that drive hate.

      Shlomo Sand has written extensively about the need for a local Israeli identity rather than a Jewish one. The Jewish thing about intermarriage would be a huge problem in a 1SS.

      If you cannot bear the sight of a people give them half the land and STFU

    • Language was the only way to create a nation out of all that variety.
      But it brought it own risk, in particular Groupthink. The fact that most Israeli Jews do not speak the language of their family before 1948 makes it so easy to manipulate them.

      If you wanted to organise a society to hate you couldn't get more effective than changing the language.

    • The Israelis are winging it. I don't think they can pull it off. They are too dependent on fragilising outside factors. If Israel was an independent entity with unlimited economic power say like Saudi with the Shia it might work. But it isn't. And they had to reorder their society to serve the occupation. Israel is actually very weak.

    • The Israeli education system will have to be dismantled.
      And the IDF will have to be reduced to a size where it can serve the people rather than itself as as present

    • No mention of economic rights. Laysh?

  • David Brooks's drumbeat: an 'expansive foreign policy'
  • Israeli forces kill Palestinian child after alleged stabbing attempt
  • 'Tis the season, to boycott!
    • Mhughes I remember being in Beit Jala about 15 years ago looking at the fuckers on Har Homa/Jebel Abu Ghneim and wondering how much injustice there could be and why nobody did anything about it.

      But that was before Brexit.

      Systems fall apart into incoherence.
      Thatcher shafted the miners and now the mining communities have sunk Thatcherism. What goes around comes around.

      Israel will collapse all by its little self.

      And it will be a great day

      Because you cannot build a nation on hatred

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3vvn2qOh58

    • After 50 years of occupation the idea that Israel owns 78% of the land is nuts.

      It'll have to be split 50/50
      If Yossi Israeli doesn't like it, fuck him

    • Who defines unrealistic ?
      the Torah says you have to respect people.
      You can run nihilism fo a while but eventually it catches up with you.

      What do you not want is to lose control. But it is impossible to control nihilism.

    • Raphael

      It's written in the book of Algeria, Chapter 16 , 1960-1964
      It's not about what people want to do. It's about what happens when it all goes tits up and the system falls apart.

    • Israel is not viable . An elaborate system of human rights abuses is required to give the impression of Jewish control.
      But the whole point of being Jewish is not to be a ****

    • Mooser

      One of the mental traps people fall into when considering israel is stability bias. Because Israel was stable in the past it will be stable in the future. And in reality the occupation has corroded Sabra society and will continue to do so. Jews who grew up normally in the US and don't hate Palestinians are different to ISraeli Jews already but spin it out 20 years and the gap will be even wider. Say American non elite Judaism is hello muddah hello fadda. Israeli Judaism is Erika . Israel is not stable. The people in their 30s now are more extremist than those who were in their 30s 20 years ago.

    • Mooser if you are not a Zionist you must hate yourself. How could you turn away from the indoctrinated ladies of the IDF?

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-women-do-gaza-strip-for-idf/

  • Here's the gossip: Beinart is about to replace Goldberg as most important Jewish journalist
  • A conversation with Miko Peled
    • Yonah the Peled family know how the Zionist sausage is made cos Nurit wrote a book about education in Israel. And Yossi is stupid for a reason.

    • Antisemitism is a function of western capitalism.
      Chinese people in Jakarta play a similar economic role to Jews in the West and they get attacked every so often.
      Lebanese in West Africa as well.

      I think the Jewish attitude to power is a mess.
      But keep on whining, Yonah

    • Yonah

      Zionism has been at war with Islam for at least 15 years.
      https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4529120/netanyahus-expert-testimony-iraq-2002

      You have to take the hits in war. I can post you stuff from the Israeli trenches if you want.
      If you don't agree with the war take it up with AIPAC or the ZOA. Dead Jews feed the war machine. You can't have a war without casualties on your side. Just because you don't want any.

      Old school antisemitism on the other hand means abusing Jews because of the shape of their face . Not because of Zionism being at war. It has nothing to do with Muslims.

      And Peled never saw that.
      Finkelstein also said in Defmamation that real antisemitism didn't exist-
      But that was before Trump. ..
      It is very messy.

    • Yonah

      At this stage the stereotypes are kinder than the reality of the Sabras.
      Back in the shetl nobody was brainwashed. There were no Jewish torturers . No interrogators threatening to rape wives or sisters. There was no depleted uranium.

      Ben Gurion said it doesn't matter what the Goys think. What matters is what the Jews do.

      Actually it matters what the goys think about what the Jews do. A lot.

    • The reality is it doesn't matter what Peled does. Israel won't change. The people who run Israel brook no criticism. It is all antisemitic by definition.
      Israel will just collapse all by its little self and Yossi Israeli will say WTF .

      The Peled family are very impressive. His sister Nurit wrote a stunna about Israeli education. "There is just what is. What could be is a dirty lie"

    • Kay,

      Israel is an abuse play.

      The abuser gets away with it for so long because he is respectable, because he has power, because he intimidates his victims, because nobody believes them

      And abusers can go to their grave without being detected,.
      But many don't and are unmasked

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t89u_3vDtwM

      And Israel can't die because states are forever

      So the collapse will be massive

    • All in a day's work.
      Shooting and crying

      Zionism is an attempt to override time, space and reality
      You either believe or you don't

    • I read in Haaretz a while ago that the word Palestinian was invented in 1964 or something similar.

      The Israelis run a system where Palestinians are separated into 6 categories .
      But it's stupid because outside Israel nobody recognises the system.

      Israeli Hebrew is absolutely fascinating. It is a closed system of thinking and has been moving ever closer to fascism over the years.

      I have never been able to have a rational conversation with an Israeli Jew about Gaza.
      They go off the deep end thanks to the Hebrew iterations.

    • I have heard that tent argument before.

      https://hartman.org.il/Blogs_View.asp?Article_Id=657&Cat_Id=273&Cat_Type=
      "When one calls, however, for the boycotting or international sanctioning of Israel or the forcing of its government to adopt policies which are counter to the expressed will of its democratically elected government, even if one believes that one is doing so for the good of Israel, one is locating oneself on the side of our foes, a side that friends need to be wary of.
      If our community will be wise enough to expand the inner tent to make room for a wide spectrum of opinions, debate, criticism, and acts of protest and condemnation, there will be no need for members of our community to find their allies elsewhere, and ones who do so, will be therefore declaring where their allegiance truly lies.
      We are a people who believe that criticism is an act of love and loyalty. We are also a people who believe that there is a criticism out of love, and a criticism which is not."

      It's a real diaspora minority thing. Don't frighten the horses. And there is zero accountability.
      When Jews have power it is a blank check for sadists and sociopaths and wild motherfuckers.

      Over Goldstone the Zionists got the judge to retract his odious blood libel, that Israeli kills children deliberately.
      Hartman pleaded for the issue to be dealt with within the community. Fine. But the community did nothing.

      Israel was back slaughtering kids in 2014 . Sabra Jews paraded around singing "schools out cos there are no kids in Gaza"

      At some point Yonah there is no point in defending it any longer.

      Because it is off the scale compared to whatever the Cossacks were doing back in old Poland .

      And shooting and crying doesn't fix anything. Israel is out of control.

    • Groupthink is a particular problem with Zionism . The longer one spends observing the world from a particular frame of reference in Hebrew the more difficult it can be to accept an alternative point of view. Furthermore, in the case of Israel this situation is compounded by two powerful reinforcing agents. The first is that the more of their career and reputation someone has invested in a particular frame of reference, the harder it is for them to accept evidence that undermines it. The second relates to the power of incentive – when people are paid large amounts of money to pursue a particular set of objectives, then of course they are going to defend the integrity of those objectives, and of course they are going to question the validity of any frame of reference that challenges that view.

      The Torah warns against golden calf worship but try talking to Yossi Israeli

    • Very interesting. Israelis are taught that the land is exclusively Jewish. Palestinians are kept well away from where most Israelis live. Out of sight, out of mind. Most non Haredi Jews do military service and are locked into the system of human rights abuses. The Israeli standard of living is higher because of the abuses. The mess was forseeable in 1967 but the fools won the argument . Israelis do not want to change. It's obvious that they don't. But diplomacy is not about what people want. The collapse will be epic.

  • Tulsi Gabbard's screw-the-neocons meeting with Trump sparks anger, derision, encouragement
    • Bandolero I went to Syria in 2002. I went to Hama where Assad the elder put down a rebellion in the 80s. It was brutal. The city centre was razed.

      On a bus back to Damascus there was a video on. It was puerile and all the passengers were laughing. Syria lost its way a long time ago. The elite are kleptocrats. And it's a caste system. The Alawis control all the important posts. The same people in charge for years. How long has Shabaana whatshername been spokeswoman? Or is she foreign minister?

      Sunnism is all over the place now when it can be so easily discombobulated by the Wahhabi parasite. The Sauds are vile.

      Syria reminded me of Egypt. Going nowhere. Part of it is due to its place in the regional power structure and the wider capitalism. But it could be doing a lot better.

      And that was before the war.

      I think Zionism and the imposition of such a violent bird into the local nest was a disaster for the Levant. Anthony Shadid RIP was a journalist who wrote a book about Marjayoun in Lebanon. It looked like it had a great future in 1920. And then the implications of the Balfour declaration came rolling in.

      https://www.thenation.com/article/road-marjayoun-anthony-shadid/

    • Nothing will change absent a popular movement based on what most voters want. Well paid jobs, affordable healthcare, quality education, peace and a stable climate No more mass incarceration or plutocracy.

      But that has to come into being.

    • Jon most of the people who lost in the post Soviet transition drank themselves to death in the 90s. Life expectanxy collapsed. Same process underway now in flyover bluecollar USA btw. Ukrainian girls didn't grow up to become prostitutes in Vienna and Stuttgart under communism.

    • Bandolero the Saudis push wahhabi filth but you do not get traction on a war without compelling local grievances. The US fucked up the status quo in Iraq. Syria has been stagnating for years. Iraq used to be an educated country. Syria used to punch way higher. Both countries are hopelessly corrupt . If the Russians force an Alawi peace in Syria and ISIS is defeated in Iraq there will be another iteration of Sunni nihilism. Throw climate change into the mix and it becomes existential.

    • Bandolero I lived in India for a while and read the local media . Modi left his wife about 30 years to join a hardcore Hindu outfit called the Sangh. They were linked to the BJP who generated political momentum by destroying the Babri mosque in 92 in ayodhya which is the Indian equivalent of Jerusalem. Modi is a dangerous mother fucker.A train full of Sangh people was burnt mysteriously and his goons started a pogrom. A Congress MP was hacked to death. The police stood by and did nothing. Some of the videoS of the time show him inciting murder. Very Jim Crow style. And Hindus love him cos hé keeps uppity Muslim n****rs in their place.

      You have to understand the status of Muslims in India. They were abandoned by their leaders in 1947 when Pakistan was founded. They are miserable. And when communal violence starts they get killed.

      786 is a lucky number that Bombay taxi drivers often paint on the side of their taxis . In 92 post Ayodhya when Hindu gangs were looking for blood it was used to identify victims

    • Syria is linked to the Sunni problem in the Shaam/mesopotamia. The failure in Iraq left a fundi Shia government in the country and they ran death squads. The Sunni minority was excluded from power . This was the great disaster of US Policy in Iraq.

      Syria is actually majority Sunni but for recent historical reasons is led by an Alawi sect The Alawis are basically Shia and they have the same paranoia and contempt for goys as the neighbours down the coast . It wouldn't be a bad idea to put the Zionists and the Alawis together in a single state.

      They would get on like a forest on fire.

      Between Syria and Iraq you have maybe 20 m Sunnis with no political representation.

      ISIS is a joke but the Sunni grievance that drives it is not.
      The Zionists pushed for war in Iraq

      https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4529120/netanyahus-expert-testimony-iraq-2002

      If at some future point an Iraqi team took out the Zionist leadership in the Kirya and the Knesset it would be richly deserved,

    • If Trump could see some way to link that to Ivanka's jewerly sales it might fly. but on the other hand he migh be distracted by a piece of ass (other than Ivanka's , bien sur) before he had finished thinking about it and the opportunity would be lost forever. The ADD presidency is going to be a hell of a ride.

    • Five years ago this week, across the Indian state of Gujarat, the stormtroopers of the Hindu right, decked in saffron sashes and armed with swords, tridents, sledgehammers and liquid gas cylinders, launched a pogrom against the local Muslim population. They looted and torched Muslim-owned businesses, assaulted and murdered Muslims, and gang-raped and mutilated Muslim women. By the time the violence spluttered to a halt, about 2,500 Muslims had been killed and about 200,000 driven from their homes
      The pogrom was distinguished not only by its ferocity and sadism (foetuses were ripped from the bellies of pregnant women, old men bludgeoned to death) but also by its meticulous advance planning. The leaders used mobile phones to coordinate the movement of an army of thousands through densely populated areas, targeting Muslim properties with the aid of computerised lists and electoral rolls provided by state agencies.
      Much of the violence unfolded with the full collaboration of the police. In some cases, police fired at Muslims seeking to flee the mobs. When asked to help a group of girls being raped on the roof of a building, police officers demurred, explaining: "They have been given 24 hours to kill you." Subsequent investigations confirmed that police knew in advance of the pogrom and had been instructed not to interfere with it.
      Indian and global human rights organisations have singled out Gujarat's chief minister, Narendra Modi, of the Bharatiya Janata party (BJP), as the principal culprit. As a result of his alleged complicity in mass murder, he was denied a visa to the US and cannot visit Britain for fear of arrest.
      Yet Modi remains chief minister and has become not only the BJP's most popular figurehead, but also a poster boy for big business, foreign and domestic. Gujarat, which contains 5% of India's population, now boasts 18% of its investment and 21% of its exports.

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/mar/01/comment.india

  • Thanksgiving in Palestine
    • Amazing new TV show in Israel where a programme looks at other Israelis who are not Jewish

      http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/culture/.premium-1.754739
      "Hamu’s new show on Educational TV, “Between the Lines,” originates from much more comfortable surroundings. On the show he leads an open discussion with Israeli teenagers about a range of subjects in the Muslim world. One program dealt with the Arab Spring, another with Israeli Arabs. Others covered the Golden Age of Andalusia, and the Jews of Iraq. Despite the absence of the adrenaline rush that comes with reporting from hot zones, Hamu sees a connection between the two. “I think this show is pretty avant garde,” says Hamu"

  • Israelis 'neutralize' 48-year-old at Qalandiya checkpoint-- 240th Palestinian to be killed in wave of unrest
    • The Tsar used to blame the Jews when things happened. Second massive fire of Israels European pines and the second time Palestinians are blamed. It deflects from Israek''s shit civil defences. Israel had $120 bn to spend on YESHA but no money for plânes to fight fires. Once again 5 countries have to help out . The Palestinians had to send 4 trucks. Zionism doesn't do responsibility. Lat time Eli Yishai was the minister and he blamed the response to his incompetence on hatred of the Orthodox.

      Meanwhile Milikovsky feeds Yossi Israeli s paranoia. Yossi is educated to fear and to hate.
      There is a reason why NYC teenage liberal Jews do not do exchanges in Israeli schools. Israel educates paranoid robots who are not allowed to think.

    • http://swelleganza.tumblr.com/post/95099390375/hilton-als-gwtw

      "it’s the experience of being watched and seeing the harm in people’s eyes that is the prelude to becoming a dead (Palestinian) n#gger. And according to these pictures I shouldn’t be talking to you right now . I’m a little on the (Palestinian) n#gger side , meant to be seen and not heard, my tongue hanged and with it my mind"

      Such a long way from milk and honey.

    • The photo of the dead Palestinian reminds me of the intro Hilton Als wrote for a book about lynching in the US. The article was called GWTW. He spoke about walking around in a country used to the sight of dead ni**ers. And how any confident person of a certain group could be turbed into a dead ni**er. And how it feels to know that.
      Yossi Israeli is comforted by the sight of dead Palestinian ni**ers. But if you say it to him he will accuse you of a blood libel and say the IDF investigates everything.

    • http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/LIVE-1.755044/

      In a subsequent interview with Channel 10, Erdan said that eight individuals had been arrested and that the arson was suspected of being politically motivated.
      Four Arabs were arrested Thursday morning, suspected of arson. The investigation moved forward as suspected negligent arson, but in the end, the four were released after it proved that they weren't involved with the fires

    • The ADL is not coherent because it is pro checkpoint. So perhaps pro checkpoint would be stronger than anti Bannon. It is very hard to know where there is cognitive dissonance

    • Imagine if Bannon and co set up checkpoints around New York to keep Jews out.
      I am sure the ADL could justify it on security grounds.

      Meanwhile massive fires in Israel and Netanyahu is blaming "arsonists" which of course is code for Palestinians. Because there could be no other explanation.

      Jewish paranoia in technicolor. Shalom !

  • Rally marks the rebirth of the New York Jewish left
    • One of the things i notice about Judaism is self advertisement. Look how many billionaires or Nobel Laureates we have. Look how progressive we are .

      And there is a glorious Jewish past of service. But the community in the US has in large part left that behind. Zionism destroyed the old ecosystem. Prosperity finished it off.

      The kind of Jewish culture that produced the guy who wrote Strange Fruit and took in the Rosenberg kids doesn't really exist anymore.

      If you want inspiration take Mohammed Assaf's mother. A maths teacher in a refugee camp. She taught her kids they are as good as anyone . She doesn't crow about it either . She just got on with it.

    • JVP should rebrand as Jews for Payrises.

    • I agree with Toivo. Well meaning protests do not address blue collar grievances. Trump will betray his voters . What is needed is to work with blue collar leaders who can deliver that message to their people in the global struggle for payrises. US society is atomised after 36 years of systematic pauperisation. The only way to change anything is to organise the paupers .

    • Trump is full of premature ejaculations on Mexicans and grabbing people by the schnitzel that he then has to backtrack on by sayIng they are wonderful people or it was lockerroom talk. His timing is atrocious . I thought W was a joke but Trump expands the theme into another dimension. He is like Mr Dopamine.

  • Keith Ellison seeks to placate Israel lobby, by saying he is against BDS
    • Jonathan Greenblatt, the head of the Anti-Defamation League, called Mr. Ellison “an important ally in the fight against anti-Semitism” but said he had taken positions on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict “on which we strongly differ and that concern us.”

      The ADL cannot coherently simultaneously whine antisemitism and support Israeli Policy against the Palestinians.
      Nobody is sacred unless everbody is sacred.

  • Sanders says fight among Democrats is to go 'beyond identity politics' and stand for all working people
    • Annie it looks daunting but it's a simple enough economic system that shunts all the money to the top. And it is on the verge of collapse.

    • Where do people think the guts to laugh at the rich in cartoons came from ?

      There were a lot of tears, a lot of meetings, a lot of a ideas developed between 1925
      when Gatsby was written ...

      “They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

      ..and 1947, when Scrooge was invented as a story and a moral for kids. By that time the rich had been politically neutralised and it was safe to tell the kids about them.

      And you don't get anything by sitting on your ass and whining about how UNFAIR it all is.

    • It's all about timing, Politics is in chaos because working people have been shafted for so long the plebs aren't going to take it any more. And they choose Trump and Brexit and have to bend over.

      The beatings will continue until the left gets its mojo on to defeat the 1% with the only known antidote. The people. This is how it works.

      Why do things we find beautiful undermine power ?

    • Trump's Victory was a betrayal of non whites and women. Neoliberalism is dead.

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/globalisation-dead-white-supremacy-trump-neoliberal

    • Catalan, habibi,. The market thinks Trump can generate growth with $1 trillion in spending-.

      $1 tn is what the 1% took out of the SnP 500 this year via share buybacks.

      Credit card data are execrable. The real economy is broken

      Watch the Fed over the next few months and remember the pussycat dolls when they start making promises they cannot deliver . Also remember that no Financial asset has an intrinsic value

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCLxJd1d84s

    • Kathleen, there is a saying in German

      Wo Helden nicht vergessen werden kommen immer neue

      Where heroes/heroines are never forgotten there will be new heroes/heroines

      there is a saying in Irish

      Mol an oige agus tiocfaidh si

      Take care of the kids and they will grow up to be fantastic

      Bernie is like John the Baptist. Paving the way.

  • Leading pro-Israel groups dare not criticize Trump lest they lose access to White House
    • The site in Jerusalem al quds ya qudsu is mystical. Probably because it was where monotheism emerged from the cocktail of ancient gobbledygook that comprised the swirling current of religious thinking in a crossroads region where trade passed freely and ideas mixed constantly.

      The nearest parallel for me is Ayodhya in India, also by the way located on a trade route where lots of ideas and business converge. Like an ancient Airport. Does the faith make the place or does the place make the faith ?

      I knew a driver in India who would visit mosques and temples to soak up the energy of all the faithful that went before him.

      By the time Abraham rolled up at the beginning of history LOLZ the site in J already had the currency.

      Stewart Lee wrote about the mystery of ancient lineage when he took on the British Royal Wedding in 2011. A lot of the mystique is quasi sexual. As is the Jewish thing for the Temple.

      https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2011/apr/27/royal-wedding-secret-kate-wills

    • Jerusalem is the holiest of holies in Judaism.
      But in order to hang onto it the holy city has torture chambers.
      Because the prayers in Jerusalem are purer.
      Isn't that right, Yonah ?

    • The point of Judaism is not the temple. It's how to live. You don't need a temple to live as a Jew.

      And the temple is a trap anyway because the holy land is not defensible over the longue duree. Ask any Crusader or Byzantine.

      It's on the edge of a very large "other", currently Muslim, area.
      Why did the first Jewish kingdom collapse ?

      Cos they didn't have the numbers.

      That is the Jewish tradeoff. Purer religious core. Quality not quantity.

      If you want to hang onto the land you need to go for quantity and change the rules on who is Jewish. Convert all the palestinians and maybe the Egyptians.

      But then while you win on the swings you lose on the roundabouts.

      The current situation is an example of the trap. Yes, you CAN torture Palestinians, you can bomb them with white phosphorous, you can murder kids for fun in order to allow the prayers. You can do anything you want as a sadist. But what is then the point of the prayers? To get closer to Gd?

      Cruel nature wins again

      AIPAC is compensation for the lack of numbers. Money as power.
      But power is very slippy. Especially in the US now.

    • Annie

      I think Hostage's posts merit their own subcategory on the site .
      Zionism is wall to wall bullshit.

    • AIPAC in nature

      youtube.com/watch?v=IrBnm9rbWyA
      The pilot fish congregates around sharks, rays, and sea turtles, where it eats ectoparasites on, and leftovers around the host species;[

      Except AIPAC doesn't do anything for the shark

      And Israel often jumps the shark

    • That is such a good point. Without the veto Israel is just another second rate country . Bulgaria for Jews.

    • AIPAC and the ZOA are parasites
      They need a clean host
      But now the host is infected with the Nazi parasite.

      This is the great game.

      AIPAC 2017 is going to be a real humdinger . Because for the first time in a long time the leadership are actually going to have to think. They never thought about what the pauperisation of the American working class might lead to.

      “Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to was never there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it." Flannery O Connor

      Imagine how much money they spent on Clinton
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwkBnZKITTc

      And Palestinian leaders need to stop inciting violence
      America needs an Israel strong enough to deter its enemies

    • This reminds me of what Finky said in Defamation. The worst thing to happen to Israel was the warmongering motherfuckers from Palm Beach and New York with their power games and White House access. The problem with power is you lose it.

      What benefit did Jews get from Netanyahu's Iraq warmongering ? SFA

      Mr Burston has a very strong op ed in today's Ha'aretz and he quotes Larry Derfner

      "To hell with Jewish peoplehood. There are millions of Jews, especially in the Jewish state, who are my enemies and I am theirs. I feel as much kinship with them as I felt for my fellow Americans the KKK. To hell with the whole idea of the Jewish people, we're not on the same side, we're on opposite sides, and I don't ever, ever want to be on the same side with them."
      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.754663

    • If you went back to Germany in the 30s it would have been exactly the same
      In the 40s in Lodz it was exactly the same. Rumkowski thought if he did what the Nazis said they would like him. When they asked him for all the Jewish kids he obeyed because he could save the adults. He was beaten to death in Auschwitz.

      The hypocrisy of people like Hoenlein claiming that Hezbollah or the decent people in Gaza are an enemy of the Jewish people while bending over for Bannon. It goes beyond chutzpah.

      One thing I would say for the Shia of Southern Lebanon is they know how to defend themselves from predators. But they were never a court play. They are just peasants.

  • If American universities ignore attacks on Muslim students, who will defend them?
    • Only a mother could love Israel

    • The Israeli Government defended Kastner in the trial cos he was an insider. The WW2 history of Zionism and Orthodoxy is gruesome. I presume they thought they could manage the trial . But they couldn't. And so Kastner suffered the fate of Rumkowski. He was murdered as a collaborator.

    • Mooser that wasn't my family, thankfully. I agree with your thesis. Zionism owns the Jews and reserves the right to throw you under the bus, especially if it involves arms deals or ideological preferences. And if you reject Zionism you will hate yourself and the goys will kill you.

    • Zionism is gruesome.
      Your Zionist teacher will tell you that as long as you live with the goys you will hate yourself.
      And she will reserve the right to murder you to save the group if circumstances demand it. If you get in the way of arms sales or have a funny looking face.

    • Hostage says:
      February 19, 2014 at 5:46 pm
      Kastner also spoke with the Nazis, of course.

      The accounts of Holocaust survivors say that the SS used thousands of Kapos to control the enormous populations of Jewish prisoners.
      Israel only conducted 70 or so token trials. It still keeps the records of those sealed to this day under a 70 year court order implemented in the 1990s. The only case that’s still accessible is “Attorney General v Friedman”, See:
      * Michael J. Bazyler and Julia Y. Scheppach, The Strange and Curious History of the Law Used to Prosecute Adolf Eichmann, 34 Loy. L.A.
      Int’l & Comp. L. Rev. 417 (2012).
      Available at: link to digitalcommons.lmu.edu
      * Cassese, The Oxford Companion to International Criminal Justice, page 681 link to books.google.com

    • http://mondoweiss.net/2009/05/at-the-end-of-the-aipac-policy-conference-maybe-during-joe-bidens-pandering-speech-i-sat-biting-into-a-napkin-trying-to/

      "the most important line in Avraham Burg’s book, The Holocaust Is Over, Let Us Rise From Its Ashes. I cite this line frequently, but not enough. Burg says that the Jews forgave the Nazis too quickly, in part so as to get reparations, and the result was that they projected their unhealed rage on to the Arabs, and made them Nazis"

      The real Nazis do not speak arabic. And they are back. Ya'ni

    • http://mondoweiss.net/2013/06/hannah-arendt-hungarian/

      The movie Hannah Arendt, now at New York's Film Forum, is excellent. See it. It makes reference to Eichmann and the Hungarian Jews. I have previously written this in my book, " Notebook of a Sixties Lawyer," page 174.
      In point of fact, members of the Zionist movement actively collaborated with Nazism from the beginning. The World Zionist Organization sabotaged world Jewry's attempt to boycott the Nazi economy in order to be allowed to send money from Germany to Palestine. They fought against liberalization of U.S. immigration laws, for they wanted European Jews to go to Palestine, not America. As Ralph Schoenman wrote in The Hidden History of Zionism, "This obsession with colonizing Palestine and overwhelming the Arabs led the Zionist movement to oppose any rescue of the Jews facing extermination, because the ability to deflect manpower to Palestine would be impeded."

      David Ben-Gurion summarized to a meeting of "left" Zionists in 1938 in England, "If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative."

      My cousin was one of several thousand Hungarian Jews who survived the fire: 800,000 died. A pact was signed by Dr. Rudolph Kastner of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and Nazi exterminator Adolph Eichmann in 1944 allowing 600 prominent Jews to leave in exchange for Zionist silence on the fate of the remainder.

      Malchiel Greenwald, an Hungarian survivor, exposed the deal and was sued by the Israeli government, whose leaders at the time had actually drawn up the terms of the pact. Greenwald won. The Israeli court concluded, "The sacrifice of the majority of Hungarian Jews, in order to rescue the prominents (and send them to colonize Palestine) was the basic element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis...In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner."

      Judgement given on June 22, 1955, Protocol of Criminal Case 124/53 in District Court, Jerusalem. Former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir's organization proposed on Janurary 11, 1941, a formal military pact between his Irgun --a Zionist military organization--and the Third Reich. In offering to enter the war on the side of Germany, the Irgun proposed that, "The establishment of the historical Jewish State on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East." (see Lenni Brenner, "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators", p. 49)

      My cousin escaped Budapest and settled in Jaffa, a former Palestinian city south of Tel Aviv. His name was Carl Oppenheim. He was not an important person and not part of the deal.
      I saw him and his son in 1959 in a two room place in what was formerly the Arab quarter. He begged me for $$$ to buy a fridge and was selling silver trinkets to get by. His son was wearing an old shirt of mine that my grandmother had sent in a care package. His son would later be the last soldier to die in the 1967 war. Carl's brother Anti was a communist and was picked up early for that reason, in 1940 or so. He escaped the labor camp they put him in and fought with the Partisans in the woods throughout the war. He is an historical figure in Hungary. His son Vili, also a communist, is a lawyer, my age.

    • Eichmann himself had talked about Kastner a lot already when his interview Life magazine was first published on the 28th November and 5th December 1960:
      I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere . . .
      In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest . . . Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price . . . was not too high for me . . . We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked cigarettes as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigarette after another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself. Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel . . .
      As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic Zionist leaders . . . I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal . . . 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews . . . That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner....Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel. But the Arrow Cross, the Hungarian fascist party, had grown strong and stubborn. Its inspectors permitted no exceptions to the mass deportations. So the Jewish officials turned to the German occupation authorities. They realized that we were specialists who had learned about Jewish affairs through years of practice.
      As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our attitudes in the SS and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic Zionist leaders who were fighting what might be their last battle. As I told Kastner: "We, too, are idealists and we, too, had to sacrifice our own blood before we came to power."
      I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred- thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was not interested in old Jews or those who had become assimilated into Hungarian society. But he was incredibly persistent in trying to save biologically valuable Jewish blood, that is, human material that was capable of reproduction and hard work. "You can have the others," he would say, "but let me have this group here." And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews.
      At the same time Kastner was bargaining with another SS of ficial a Colonel Kurt Becker. Becher was bartering Jews for foreign exchange and goods on direct orders from Himmler. A crafty operator, Becher had come to Hungary originally to salvage a stud farm which the SS wanted. He soon wormed his way into dealings with the Jews. In a way, Reichsführer Himmler was Becher's captive. Becher showed me once a gold necklace he was taking to our chief, a gift for a little lady by whom Himmler had a child. There were other agencies, German and Hungarian, which tapped Kastner for foreign exchange in return for Jews, but I held aloof from money affairs and left the material transactions to Becher.
      Men under Becher's command guarded a special group of 700 Jews whom Kastner had requested from a list. They were mostly young people, although the group also included Kastner's entire family. I did not care if Kastner took his relatives along. he could take them whereever he wanted to.
      Life, Vol. 49, No. 23, December 5, 1960, p. 146

    • Mooser, Kastner arranged to have gefilte fish and sabra hummus on the train so the saved could get used to their new life. He had a problem securing enough buses to throw the Hungarian Jews under but the Nazis promised him they would sort it out. As one Nazi told him , Kastner could always tell later generations of Jews that without the exterminations there would be no Israel . What you lose on the genocide swings you gain on
      the Moshiach roundabout. It is such a beautiful argument. Oy vey.

    • Jon

      Kastner was typical of Jewish leadership in WW2

      As Hannah Arendt noted the Nazis were helped in their work by far too many Jews.
      It seems to have something to do with the Jewish power thing. It works beautifully until it collapses. .
      Like AIPAC at the moment.

      But Yossi ISraeli only gets fed bromides about WW2. If he is secular it's the Warsaw ghetto uprising. If he^s Orthodox it's piety.
      Nothing about leaders aiding in the destruction of their own communities.

      And why were 1600 Zionists saved? Why not 200K Bundists?

    • Yonah is a mashgiach

      I will leave Kastner to Yossi Israeli

      By saving the Jews on the Kastner train, while failing to warn others that their "resettlement" was in fact deportation to the gas chambers, Kastner had sacrificed the mass of Jewry for a chosen few, the judge said.[4] The verdict triggered the fall of the Israeli Cabinet.[5]
      Kastner resigned his government position and became a virtual recluse, telling reporters he was living with a loneliness "blacker than night, darker than hell".[4] His wife fell into a depression that left her unable to get out of bed, while his daughter's schoolmates threw stones at her in the street.[6] Kastner was shot on 3 March 1957 by Zeev Eckstein, who was part of a three-man squad from a group of veterans from the pre-state right-wing militia Lehi led by Yosef Menkes and Yaakov Heruti, and died of his injuries twelve days later

    • Two short poems from Yip Harburg, who wrote “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead”, from “At This Point in Rhyme” (1976)

      On militarism:

      “Build Pentagons and armories
      From Boston to Lajolla
      There is no fortress strong enough
      To placate Paranoia.”

      and democracy under capitalism:

      “Sing a song of politics
      With bottles full of RyeThat anyone can buy
      When the voting opens
      The price begins to rise
      And this, my little citizens,
      Is called Free Enterprise.”
      Fourteen hundred delegates

    • Zionism is a vile ideology.

      In 1944 Kastner traded thousands of Hungarian Jews to the Nazis in return for a couple of hundred passes to Palestine.
      In the 1970s Israel sold weapons to the Argentinian junta while over 3,000 left wing Jews were murdered by the junta.

  • Why 'give him a chance' is not an option
    • It's all driven by the 1% . Wall to wall American ineptitude.
      Iraq was a complete disaster. The decision to allow Lehman Brothers to collapse was a catastrophe.

      Clinton embodied the war system
      .
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
      At 4.23 the Benghazi stuff is on. They contrast how much email activity there was in 2011 while she got the war on and how much from 2012 to when the attack happened.

      http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2013/03/07/warrior-petraeus/
      "the history of President Bush’s two wars. Each began with a quick victory followed by a long period of feckless neglect in Washington while the Sunnis in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan organized insurgencies."

      Libya was EXACTLY the same. She ran wars for the Zionists and the 1%

      http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4529120/netanyahus-expert-testimony-iraq-2002
      http://www.youtube.com/embed/Z2MWNwfGNno

      and then ignored the aftermath. That is why she was so dangerous.
      It is during the time when they aren't paying attention that the soldiers are maimed and die . 128,000 vet suicides since 1999.

      That is over 40 911s, people

      No wonder all the kids are sending each other the picture of the dog surrounded by flames saying "this is fine".

      American Empire is probably over

      And if you want to win a war you have to have the people on your side.

    • If anyone actually wanted to drain the swamp they would have to restructure the US economy

      1 in every 5 dollars of economic activity goes to the healthcare system which is out of control and delivers worse outcomes than systems that cost half as much. It is a system for rent seeking. Everything that can be monetised is.

      7% of economic activity is incarceration

      Many states spend far less on education

      The richest 1% own 50% of everything

      The Financial sector is over 300% of GDP.

      60% of all new income between 1975 and 2007 went to the richest 0.1% of Americans

      The wars go with plutocracy which is a function of the financial system. War has 2 benefits. It is good for the arms companies and when the war is over reconstruction is lucrative . Rent seeking paradise.

      Dem or GOP is irrelevant . The problem is the war system and the sociopaths who run it along with the maximum security gulag archipelago and the sick healthcare system.

      The Iranians and the Russians are not the enemy. The Kochs and their fellow travellers are. The prison companies are . The pharmaceutical and insurance companies are

    • It is, Keith, but when the 1% become afraid of the people is when change happens. We are close to a tipping point. The Fed cannot stop the US economy from collapsing.

    • Catalan, I have spent the last while researching what is going on in the US economy. And it is close to the Goetterdaemmerung imo. There is a limit to how much money can be taken from working and middle classes. None of the MSM will go near the problem. The Financial Times calls it globalisation. But the French lefty magazine Charlie Hebdo can say what it wants. It calls the problem "the pauperisation of the working and middle classes". Israel is a subset of the US economy story. Ya'ni

    • The US economy is going to collapse. Trump will betray the bluecollar.
      It's not BAU,. Maybe its best that Clinton lost cos she was a poor candidate and warmonger.
      The big play is for 2020 post crash. Do the Dems stay with the 1% or side with the people?
      Neoliberalism will have to be dismantled.

    • The electoral college can still reject Trump on Dec 19.
      The Constitution was designed to protect the citizenry from dangerous men, demagogues, Nazis, charlatans and hucksters. Trump is at least 4 out of 5.

    • History is a record of consequences which nobody intended to produce.

      If Trump does move against Muslims the Suez Canal might be shut down.
      Israel needs Trump to be nice to Muslims.

    • If it was a cartoon , Scooby Do would have unmasked Trump as a dangerous fraud in 30 minutes.

    • Trump will not address themain driver of deflation and dysfunction in the economy which is the percentage of wealth controled by the 1%.
      He will not fight for workers. He will not challenge special interests. He may destroy your pension.

    • I though the use of the Nazi stuff was very dull. Why not Aurangzeb or whatever the Aztec hand gestures were? Why not human sacrifice? Tsk tsk.

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